**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 09 02:59:57 2010
Dec 09 03:00:08 <abstract3d> omg someone kick sphin
Dec 09 03:00:48 <abstract3d> Stskeeps:
Dec 09 03:09:35 <berndhs> sphin left long time ago
Dec 09 03:10:49 <abstract3d> ah soz :$
Dec 09 03:31:41 <npm> when i compile in qt-creator against meego-sdk's qt, i always get errors "error: QtWebKit: No such file or directory" when i compile w/ qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.1 it works... how to get QtWebKit in Meego SDK ?
Dec 09 03:37:45 <npm> also, is there a good help URL on "Options..."->Projects->Meego Device Configurations" setup to launch a program from qt-creator on an n900 running meego ,,,, i've found equiv for maemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_linux ... http://doc.troll.no/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-developing-maemo.html
Dec 09 03:41:03 <npm> closest i've found is http://wiki.meego.com/Hello_World_-_MeeGo_x86_development_on_Linux#Optional_instructions_for_using_a_real_MeeGo_device
Dec 09 03:43:27 <npm> the above assumes no cross-compilation needed. where are instructions for using qtcreator to cross-compile and launch an app on a real Meego n900 handheld
Dec 09 03:43:34 <npm> or is that not possible?
Dec 09 03:44:18 * npm goes to have dinner, hopes to find answer eventually
Dec 09 04:08:03 <Termana> morning
Dec 09 04:17:11 <kimitake> FYI, MeeGo Seminar Winter 2010 Ustream http://bit.ly/eUKdWV #meegotokyo
Dec 09 04:18:18 <Myrtti> moin
Dec 09 05:11:43 <Jay_BEE> hola
Dec 09 05:28:21 <Myrtti> örrörörö
Dec 09 06:37:06 <Jucato> Good day! I have a question about the MeeGo SDK. Is QEMU with VT a hard requirement? or is there some alternative I can use? I'm presuming QEMU is used only for emulation/testing right?
Dec 09 07:38:51 <Guest29710> hey
Dec 09 07:38:53 <Guest29710> help me
Dec 09 07:39:58 <Guest29710> I have build a ivihome as rpm but error message is appeard "chroot: failed to run command `rpm': No such file or directory"
Dec 09 07:40:17 <Guest29710> where is there it
Dec 09 07:41:15 <Guest29710> i refernced to wiki.meego. /build withtou obs
Dec 09 08:27:52 <djszapi> someone with archlinux and automatical usbnetworking here ? http://pastie.org/1361250 => I would like to implement this operation in archlinux, basically.
Dec 09 08:48:28 <pupnik> well http://paypal.com is now down
Dec 09 08:48:53 <timoph> the ddos thing?
Dec 09 08:49:41 <pupnik> yep
Dec 09 09:30:59 <MoL0ToV> hi to all
Dec 09 09:31:37 <MoL0ToV> meego can be ported to existend arm devices?
Dec 09 09:31:53 <MoL0ToV> such nokia N series and so?
Dec 09 09:32:15 <MoL0ToV> i have a symbian s60
Dec 09 09:32:33 <MoL0ToV> symbian is too old and slow
Dec 09 09:33:06 <MoL0ToV> i want to buy a full opensource device, but a mobile phone, not a tablet pc
Dec 09 09:36:12 <lbt> MoL0ToV: N900 is the only one
Dec 09 09:36:37 <n97> anyone know if there is a good vpn client in current meego
Dec 09 09:37:09 <n97> to connect to a cisco vpn gateway, something like kvpnc
Dec 09 09:37:35 <n97> that can import pcf files and have spesific routes
Dec 09 09:42:44 <MoL0ToV> lbt, so i sell now my n97-mini and wait for a mobile phone that uses meego
Dec 09 09:43:17 <MoL0ToV> symbian os is too heavy...
Dec 09 09:43:24 <MoL0ToV> and unstable
Dec 09 09:43:31 <MoL0ToV> compared with a linux kernel
Dec 09 09:43:45 <n97> MoL0ToV: I have the n97 mini.
Dec 09 09:44:06 <MoL0ToV> also i
Dec 09 09:44:09 <n97> MoL0ToV: it was unsable as hell after a firmware upgrade, but factory default (or reset) solved that
Dec 09 09:44:42 <MoL0ToV> i tryed
Dec 09 09:44:48 <MoL0ToV> but don't solve all problems
Dec 09 09:44:51 <n97> I think I even formatet the internal storage and memory card
Dec 09 09:45:00 <MoL0ToV> the touch interface is still buggly
Dec 09 09:45:08 <n97> what version are you at?
Dec 09 09:45:38 <MoL0ToV> exist a way to hack n series and load a linux kernel?
Dec 09 09:46:02 <tmzt> what n?
Dec 09 09:46:11 <tmzt> nokia n series? or the tablets
Dec 09 09:46:37 <tmzt> n series needs an unrestricted loader and a port of the kernel
Dec 09 09:47:16 <Venemo_N900> MoL0ToV: Symbian devices have underpowered hardware, that's why they sux
Dec 09 09:47:43 <MoL0ToV> i waiting for intel atom on mobile phones
Dec 09 09:47:53 <MoL0ToV> i find aava phones on the net
Dec 09 09:48:07 <MoL0ToV> small and power device
Dec 09 09:48:16 <MoL0ToV> someone know?
Dec 09 09:48:52 <Venemo_N900> MoL0ToV: aava is expensive and may not be well-suited for day-to-day use
Dec 09 09:49:00 <n97> MoL0ToV: my n97 mini is stable. I have firmware v12.0.110 and post upgrade I did a reset described here:
Dec 09 09:49:02 <MoL0ToV> n97, v 12.0.110 - 12.0.110.C01.01, type RM-555
Dec 09 09:49:04 <n97> MoL0ToV: http://www.resetnokia.com/nokia-n97-mini-reset-code/
Dec 09 09:49:35 <n97> MoL0ToV: because it was buggy as hell pior to the reset
Dec 09 09:51:01 <MoL0ToV> i try... before i must save photos and phone book
Dec 09 09:51:35 <MoL0ToV> exist a firmware without all unrequested application ?
Dec 09 09:51:41 <Venemo_N900> anyway, since when does #meego provide Symbian support too?
Dec 09 09:52:00 <n97> Venemo_N900: please dont kick me for helping out :)
Dec 09 09:52:32 <Venemo_N900> no problem for me
Dec 09 09:53:57 <Venemo_N900> what do you guys think about chrome os?
Dec 09 09:54:15 <Venemo_N900> how much of a competitor is it to MeeGo?
Dec 09 09:56:32 <MoL0ToV> so s60 hardware ( ARM 1136 CPU for example) is too old to run linux with X11?
Dec 09 09:56:53 <Venemo_N900> well not necessarily
Dec 09 09:56:56 <pupnik> nokia 770 had it
Dec 09 09:57:15 <MoL0ToV> i remember that linux on a p3 with 128MB ram runs...
Dec 09 09:57:17 <Venemo_N900> the N810 has the same hardware as the N95
Dec 09 09:57:40 <pupnik> so just buy a 770 or 800 or 810 MoL0ToV
Dec 09 09:58:51 <MoL0ToV> is too big
Dec 09 09:59:01 <MoL0ToV> i want a 3" display device
Dec 09 09:59:07 <MoL0ToV> not more big
Dec 09 09:59:38 <pupnik> i think (not sure) that meego baseline will be a 800x480 3.7" device
Dec 09 09:59:45 <pupnik> on the handset / phone side
Dec 09 09:59:49 <MoL0ToV> i think that wait for 32nm intel cpu is a good choice, and i use nokia 3310 for now
Dec 09 10:00:07 <MoL0ToV> or a china dual sim so i can use 2 providers
Dec 09 10:00:09 <pupnik> if you like intel a lot, then it is
Dec 09 10:00:28 <MoL0ToV> i like linux
Dec 09 10:00:47 <pupnik> so you want a 2.5" phone with an intel cpu running linux?
Dec 09 10:00:47 <MoL0ToV> intel release drivers for linux, this is a good thing
Dec 09 10:01:30 <MoL0ToV> my need is:
Dec 09 10:01:50 <pupnik> yes i like that support.  it makes thinkpads+linux very nice
Dec 09 10:02:22 <MoL0ToV> 3"display, kernel and drivers completely opensource, dual sim
Dec 09 10:02:50 <MoL0ToV> gps,wifi-n (also 5ghz)
Dec 09 10:03:09 <MoL0ToV> i cant' understand why gsm trasmit power is 1Weirp
Dec 09 10:03:20 <MoL0ToV> 2.4ghz only 100mW eirp
Dec 09 10:03:43 <MoL0ToV> 5ghz 1W so... we can use 5ghz wifi in house with voip
Dec 09 10:03:56 <MoL0ToV> and use gsm only when far to home
Dec 09 10:04:10 <MoL0ToV> this is possible only with open firmware...
Dec 09 10:04:16 <Venemo_N900> MoL0ToV: nice dream
Dec 09 10:04:20 <MoL0ToV> so every user can customize
Dec 09 10:04:47 <MoL0ToV> but the mass is stupid and buy closed devices
Dec 09 10:05:34 <MoL0ToV> a nice dream, but nokia or samsung MUST understand that this is the direction.
Dec 09 10:06:17 <pupnik> hm
Dec 09 10:06:48 <MoL0ToV> here in italy many people uses china phones
Dec 09 10:07:03 <MoL0ToV> to use 2 sims
Dec 09 10:07:11 <MoL0ToV> i'm selling my n97 mini
Dec 09 10:07:17 <MoL0ToV> because i want dual sim phone
Dec 09 10:07:33 <pupnik> n97 mini is a nice phone though
Dec 09 10:07:40 <MoL0ToV> yes
Dec 09 10:07:51 <MoL0ToV> but has only one sim
Dec 09 10:07:57 <MoL0ToV> so i sell it
Dec 09 10:08:06 <MoL0ToV> and buy a economic phone, 40-50 euros
Dec 09 10:08:11 <MoL0ToV> that has 2 sim
Dec 09 10:08:20 <pupnik> do you also need two modems at home?/  two phone lines?
Dec 09 10:08:40 <MoL0ToV> waiting the release of a full open source dual sim gps wifi-ham device.
Dec 09 10:08:48 <MoL0ToV> i can wait also 50 years, no problem
Dec 09 10:09:47 <MoL0ToV> pupnik, at home i have nothing. i use wifi for making voip calls
Dec 09 10:09:55 <MoL0ToV> free wifi connection
Dec 09 10:09:56 <pupnik> i will probably buy whatever nokia releases for meego-phone
Dec 09 10:10:11 <pupnik> i don't see the need for two sims
Dec 09 10:10:19 <MoL0ToV> here in italy
Dec 09 10:10:36 <pupnik> oh if the coverage is not complete for one network
Dec 09 10:10:39 <MoL0ToV> the call and sms prices is too high
Dec 09 10:10:40 <pupnik> now i see
Dec 09 10:10:52 <pupnik> what about data?
Dec 09 10:11:01 <ali1234> it's used to take advantage of free calls to same network mainly
Dec 09 10:11:01 <MoL0ToV> have 2 sims is a need to use 2 providers
Dec 09 10:11:09 <pupnik> ok
Dec 09 10:11:34 <MoL0ToV> this is the reasons why mobile phone providers
Dec 09 10:12:02 <MoL0ToV> pay the mobile phone providers to don't release dual o trial sim phones
Dec 09 10:12:35 <MoL0ToV> i decided to take this road
Dec 09 10:12:40 <MoL0ToV> some weeks ago
Dec 09 10:12:52 <MoL0ToV> when i charge 15 euro of traffic on my phone
Dec 09 10:12:56 <MoL0ToV> and 2 days later
Dec 09 10:13:05 <MoL0ToV> i go to zero
Dec 09 10:13:15 <MoL0ToV> making 3 or 4 calls
Dec 09 10:13:46 <stonda> so how much do you pay for voice in min/EUR
Dec 09 10:14:16 <stonda> or do you have like a voice plan for like 500 min/month
Dec 09 10:15:36 <MoL0ToV> 0,15euro to answer
Dec 09 10:15:46 <MoL0ToV> 0,25 euro for minute
Dec 09 10:16:04 <MoL0ToV> 0,15 euro for sms
Dec 09 10:16:16 <stonda> oh they have tariffs on answering calls
Dec 09 10:16:21 <MoL0ToV> this is the average rates in italy
Dec 09 10:16:55 <MoL0ToV> where an office man earn about 1000-1100 euros at month
Dec 09 10:18:01 <stonda> my take on the subject would be that in business areas where price erosion has been very high and service coverage is basically 100% - there's virtually no need for dual sims
Dec 09 10:18:33 <stonda> meaning the basic tariff for voice and sms would be <0,10 EUR/min
Dec 09 10:19:01 <stonda> otoh data is a different subject
Dec 09 10:21:18 <stonda> and i agree that your take on dual sims is correct, operators are unwilling to subsidy them
Dec 09 10:22:21 <lcuk> fiferboy, you ran over the handset desktop stuff, did you have any missing packages?  it appears to be missing pulseaudio-startup when installing the packages
Dec 09 10:25:18 <Jucato> Good day/evening! I have a question about the MeeGo SDK. Is QEMU with VT a hard requirement? or is there some alternative I can use? I'm presuming QEMU is used only for emulation/testing right?
Dec 09 10:35:18 <jonnor> Jucato: Xephyr with Intel graphics hardware is also supported for the netbook
Dec 09 10:35:52 <jonnor> People have used Virtualbox as well, though that is not supported
Dec 09 10:36:06 <Jucato> how about for the handset ux?
Dec 09 10:36:42 <jonnor> Then you need (cross-architecture) virtualization, as I'm assuming your workstation is not ARMv7 capable
Dec 09 10:36:53 <jonnor> or dedicated hardware to test with, of course :)
Dec 09 10:37:04 <Jucato> well I do have an N900
Dec 09 10:37:27 <Jucato> other than that the only ARM-capability my desktop has is cross-compiling through scratchbox :)
Dec 09 10:37:36 <Jucato> (used it for Maemo)
Dec 09 10:37:44 <jonnor> Jucato: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
Dec 09 10:38:31 <jonnor> I must admit I have not checked the state of cross-compiling for ARM in Meego
Dec 09 10:38:47 <Jucato> I'm in a bit of a situation. my Core 2 Duo CPU theoretically has VT-x, but the variant that I bought apparently is the one that doesn't have it (an E7500). my laptop's CPU definitely has VT (also Core 2 Duo) but is disabled from the BIOS, without a way to enable it :)
Dec 09 10:39:00 <Jucato> (the first C2D is here on my desktop)
Dec 09 10:42:28 <Jucato> so, does this mean that the emulator/QEMU is actually used in compiling and building packages for MeeGo?
Dec 09 10:45:12 <abstract3d> still trying distros for development environment.. :$
Dec 09 10:46:40 <Jucato> I have Fedora 14, which seems to be 1 version too advanced for the supported distros :/
Dec 09 10:51:07 <abstract3d> Jucato: try fedora 13 or ubuntu 10.04 and only 32bit for now
Dec 09 10:51:58 <abstract3d> i am currently trying to install 10.04 32bit inside vbox and see if i can have a full development environment inside there or i will dual boot (first distro is gentoo)
Dec 09 10:54:57 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: you could get away with chroot or lxc too instead of dual-boot
Dec 09 10:55:27 <Jucato> I'd probably use a VM as well in that case, considering I can't get VT anyway ... a bit amusing that I would actually have to downgrade my main workstation's distro just to be able to get an SDK
Dec 09 10:55:33 <Jucato> or dual-boot
Dec 09 10:55:34 <Jucato> :)
Dec 09 11:07:46 <jonnor> Jucato: you can probably make the SDK work on other distros than listed, its just not officially supported
Dec 09 11:09:06 <lcuk> to add to that: please try and test documented steps in various configurations and report back on specific issues (try best to work through them to help others who will follow)
Dec 09 11:13:48 <abstract3d> aaaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh
Dec 09 11:39:54 <Venemo_> hi
Dec 09 11:40:13 <Venemo_> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular -> how could someone commit to this at Saturday January 14 2012?
Dec 09 11:40:16 <Venemo_> is this a joke?
Dec 09 11:41:16 <lcuk> no Venemo_
Dec 09 11:42:03 <lcuk> meego temporal agents travelling back from the future to help create the applications needed for the coming OS battles is perfectly normal.
Dec 09 11:43:18 <lbt> Venemo_: as a mark of shame, Denis will be ridiculed for having a bad local clock for the next year and a bit
Dec 09 11:43:35 <Venemo_> lol
Dec 09 11:43:53 <lcuk> denis does not have an account on gitorious
Dec 09 11:44:01 <Venemo_> what do you guys think about chrome os?
Dec 09 11:44:04 <lcuk> its a historical hiccup
Dec 09 11:44:08 <copyleft> lol
Dec 09 11:44:09 <Venemo_> will it be a competitor to MeeGo?
Dec 09 11:45:13 <Venemo_> lcuk, I watched too much Star Trek, so that's what I thought too!
Dec 09 11:46:02 <lcuk> Venemo_, I was thinking more Terminator style, star trek timetravel was more save the whales
Dec 09 11:47:25 <lcuk> sabotage, fiferboy - hint please, handset will not be coerced to take up fullscreen no matter which mechanism I try to set the gconf flag or alter settings
Dec 09 11:47:47 <lcuk> (or anyone else!)
Dec 09 11:48:19 <Venemo_> lcuk, then that means you didn't see Star Trek Enterprise's temporal war
Dec 09 11:48:38 <lcuk> is Enterprise still considered canon?
Dec 09 11:48:46 <lcuk> I thought they disowned it
Dec 09 11:49:22 <Venemo_> lcuk, I dunno what you mean, but it is of course canon
Dec 09 11:49:29 <lcuk> tho seeing Sam Beckett in action again was awesome
Dec 09 11:49:41 <Venemo_> lcuk: although it is (like the other series) discontinued :(
Dec 09 11:52:37 <abstract3d> i am trying to install meego-sdk on ubuntu 10.04
Dec 09 11:52:44 <abstract3d> i am installing target meego-handset-ia32-1.1
Dec 09 11:52:49 <abstract3d> after that i try the test with mad -t <target> etc
Dec 09 11:52:54 <abstract3d> but it says to me that target doesnot exist
Dec 09 11:52:59 <abstract3d> i tried to install target again but it says to me that target exists
Dec 09 11:53:08 <abstract3d> removed and trying to install target again
Dec 09 11:59:08 <Venemo_> is the MeeGo Touch Framework for the Handset UX only or it'll be usable from other UXes too?
Dec 09 12:03:14 <Jucato> lcuk: considering I don't/can't have VT, I doubt I will be able to completely follow through the documented steps.
Dec 09 12:03:29 <Jucato> I'll try to find a way to get on Fedora 13 though for starters. is running it in Virtualbox ok?
Dec 09 12:05:30 <Venemo_> Jucato: why not F14 then?
Dec 09 12:05:42 <Jucato> because it's not supported :)
Dec 09 12:05:59 <Venemo_> heh
Dec 09 12:06:11 <Venemo_> it doesn't mean it doesn't work
Dec 09 12:06:40 <Jucato> well, it does mean potentially messing up your system by having to add a F13-specific repo in F14 :)
Dec 09 12:06:52 <Venemo_> it means that the guys who maintain the instructions were just lazy
Dec 09 12:07:03 <Venemo_> could you give me a link to that page?
Dec 09 12:07:52 <Jucato> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux
Dec 09 12:08:20 <Jucato> also, I will have to install a 32-bit variant, since 64-bit is also unsupported :)
Dec 09 12:08:59 <Venemo_> lol
Dec 09 12:09:34 <Venemo_> all I can say is for the Maemo SDK, both non-deb-based distros AND 64-bit machines are unsupported
Dec 09 12:09:44 <Venemo_> yet it worked on my F14 out of the box
Dec 09 12:09:47 <Venemo_> :P
Dec 09 12:10:06 <Venemo_> (okay, with some trivial tweaks)
Dec 09 12:10:47 <Venemo_> anyway, why is F14 not supported yet? this is ridiculous
Dec 09 12:10:54 <Jucato> I didn't need a tweak for Maemo SDK though.
Dec 09 12:11:11 <Jucato> but yeah, it works just fine. doesn't even require QEMU with VT ;)
Dec 09 12:11:51 <Venemo_> well I needed to set SELinux to permissive mode and put a setting to grub.conf, but that's all
Dec 09 12:12:08 <Venemo_> haven't tried the MeeGo SDK yet
Dec 09 12:12:20 <Jucato> oh yeah now I remember. and also the syscall something for 64-bit
Dec 09 12:12:51 <Venemo_> but I don't understand why MeeGo SDK has its own Qt Creator branch instead of developing it in the main Qt Creator repo
Dec 09 12:13:44 <Jucato> I think they're still trying to consolidate the different Qt SDK's into one
Dec 09 12:14:00 * dm8tbr also heard that this is happening
Dec 09 12:15:28 <Venemo_> yeah Jucato it's about time to do that :P
Dec 09 12:17:30 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 09 12:18:03 <Stskeeps> pong
Dec 09 12:19:07 <Venemo_> are there instructions about how to install MeeGo Handset to the N900's eMMC?
Dec 09 12:19:25 <Stskeeps> no, but generally: use the initrd and export the emmc to usb
Dec 09 12:19:31 <Stskeeps> and write it like you would write a usb stick
Dec 09 12:19:54 * Jucato remembers the Nokia guy's reaction to that question in the meegoconf video ...
Dec 09 12:20:08 <iekku> did they react?
Dec 09 12:20:17 <Jucato> the one on stage beside Stskeeps :)
Dec 09 12:20:51 <Venemo_> so in fact the steps are the same as with a normal SD card, just with the eMMC, right?
Dec 09 12:20:53 <Stskeeps> harri or marko?
Dec 09 12:20:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:20:55 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: pretty much
Dec 09 12:20:57 <Jucato> something along the lines of "I hope it (instructions) doesn't go on a public wiki" (because they might have a lot of support calls from bricked phones)
Dec 09 12:21:03 <timoph> Stskeeps: So the methed for installing to emmc can be shared?
Dec 09 12:21:28 <Stskeeps> timoph: well, people are welcome to brick their devices if they so want, but no complaining afterwards
Dec 09 12:21:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:21:31 <Venemo_> will it be able to use the N900's "former rootfs" as virtual memory?
Dec 09 12:21:38 <timoph> :D
Dec 09 12:21:45 <Jucato> Stskeeps > public wiki :D
Dec 09 12:22:02 <timoph> I don't want to get the blame for that
Dec 09 12:22:22 <timoph> all the info is actually already there. One just needs to put it together
Dec 09 12:22:28 <Stskeeps> 1 + 1 = 2
Dec 09 12:22:28 <Venemo_> well a reflash will unbrick the device anyway, won't it?
Dec 09 12:22:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:22:29 <lcuk> Stskeeps, timoph - would a more suitable potential be to find a way to resize off 4 or so Gb of eMMC so that normal maemo operations work correctly
Dec 09 12:22:37 <dm8tbr> brick is a harsh word if you can still attach it via usb and use flasher to fix things :)
Dec 09 12:22:45 <Jucato> Venemo_: depends on the damage done :)
Dec 09 12:22:48 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: you'd think so, but the lemmings on tmo..
Dec 09 12:22:57 <timoph> :)
Dec 09 12:23:02 <Venemo_> Jucato: what damage would it do?
Dec 09 12:23:10 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: yes, they will call it brick and sell it to me at 1/10th value, I appreciate that!
Dec 09 12:23:27 <Jucato> Stskeeps: but aren't you also on tmo? :)
Dec 09 12:23:30 <dm8tbr> oops, did I say that out aloud? *blush*
Dec 09 12:23:31 <timoph> dunno about damage but you'd lose all your data
Dec 09 12:23:43 <Stskeeps> Jucato: only observing the experiment to collect data on user behaviour
Dec 09 12:23:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:23:48 <Jucato> hahaah
Dec 09 12:23:54 <Stskeeps> and it's not looking good for humanity
Dec 09 12:24:11 <dm8tbr> in german we have a nice term for something like TMO: Trollwiese
Dec 09 12:24:17 <timoph> I tested the emmc installation by doing ~500 installations in a row
Dec 09 12:24:20 <dm8tbr> troll pasture
Dec 09 12:24:26 <Termana> Stskeeps, dm8tbr: That's actually a nice feature of the N900 (the ability to even erase the bootloader and still recover with flasher) - I hope Nokia keeps it in future devices
Dec 09 12:24:38 <dm8tbr> Termana++
Dec 09 12:24:45 <timoph> good point
Dec 09 12:24:46 <lcuk> timoph, :D its not the eMMC reliability I am concerned about
Dec 09 12:24:51 <abstract3d> i am trying to run "sudo mad remote -r meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime poweron" i am taking this response "Starting QEMU runtime meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime
Dec 09 12:24:57 <dm8tbr> .oO(did I even enable the karma module in MeeGoBot?)
Dec 09 12:25:06 <lcuk> we know the hardware is strong and reliable :)
Dec 09 12:25:11 <abstract3d> This may take some time ..." and after that what? :$
Dec 09 12:25:15 <timoph> lcuk: yep. people using it won't be :)
Dec 09 12:25:20 * lcuk glances past certain not through the hole things
Dec 09 12:25:25 <CosmoHill> .o/
Dec 09 12:25:49 <lcuk> CosmoHill, do you need the toilet again?
Dec 09 12:26:01 <abstract3d> how much time should i wait to bring me the qemu? following that guide @using a runtime
Dec 09 12:26:04 <abstract3d> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes
Dec 09 12:26:06 <CosmoHill> damn this cold weather
Dec 09 12:26:30 <Jucato> I'm not that familiar with mobile phone OS innards, but I'm just wondering why it's so easy for Android phones to flash with different ROM's (cyanomodgen being the most popular). I'm not trolling (sorry if it sounds like that), but just guessing that it's technically possible, so is it something that Nokia has sort of set in stone?
Dec 09 12:27:13 <dm8tbr> the term 'ROM' is quite a stretch isn't it?
Dec 09 12:27:52 <Venemo_> Jucato: flashing the NITs is also easy
Dec 09 12:28:03 <Jucato> (it actually reminds me more of game emulators, but that's how it's called in Android I think)
Dec 09 12:28:16 <dm8tbr> I'd say it's just different for different kinds of hardware
Dec 09 12:28:27 <lcuk> timoph, the chroot installation has been highlighted numerous times, which always leads me to asking: is it feasible to actually boot from a partition which is just stored as file on the MyDocs?
Dec 09 12:28:51 <lcuk> i know it would need a shim
Dec 09 12:29:16 <dm8tbr> lcuk: that's what I do on Archos tablets, though I use an initramdisk to prepare everything (and display a menu to choose the rootfs on the way)
Dec 09 12:29:28 <abstract3d> any answer to me? :$
Dec 09 12:29:30 <lcuk> interesting
Dec 09 12:29:59 <dm8tbr> the menu is a kludge, would have preferred something like the kexecboot menu
Dec 09 12:30:03 <Jucato> dm8tbr: you got meego running on archos tablets?
Dec 09 12:30:47 <dm8tbr> Jucato: sure, works on a5it. We we're just in an NOOP loop waiting for bug 5616 to go away (which has started now).
Dec 09 12:30:50 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled
Dec 09 12:31:15 <dm8tbr> it's yet-another-omap3, so it isn't really rocket-surgery
Dec 09 12:32:07 <lcuk> dm8tbr, have you got any notes about the archos mechanisms you use or can explain it in more detail on a page
Dec 09 12:32:20 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I did read your message on the meego-community list
Dec 09 12:32:22 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: Slow app launch is partly due to almost no optimization such as
Dec 09 12:32:22 <Venemo_> prestarting, Qt boosting, battery life is obvious since we don't have
Dec 09 12:32:22 <Venemo_> OMAP power management in kernel and general slowness is due to the SGX
Dec 09 12:32:25 <Venemo_> drivers :)
Dec 09 12:32:26 <blafasel> Hi. I have been looking at the meego-middleware-sensorfw and the MeeGo linux-2.6.35 kernel patch. I noticed that new sensors are added as dumb i2c devices with simple sysfs attribute interface.
Dec 09 12:32:30 <blafasel>  I'm wondering why the industrial I/O interface is not used for integration of new sensors. AFAIK IIO already provides support for most of the sensors. Any ideas?
Dec 09 12:32:33 <lcuk> because doing it as a chroot would obviously combine some of the things that alterego is looking at
Dec 09 12:32:39 <dm8tbr> lcuk: yes, I can show you the initrd init script. gimme a sec.
Dec 09 12:32:57 <lcuk> dm8tbr, its not me specifically, irc is too easily lost in time
Dec 09 12:33:07 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: why is power management not in the kernel yet?
Dec 09 12:33:16 <Jucato> dm8tbr: oh cool. I've been looking at getting a tablet (Archos 70 or Samsung Galaxy Tab) one of these days, and wondering which one could run MeeGo best :)
Dec 09 12:33:23 <dm8tbr> lcuk: well our processes are documented to some extent on openaos.org
Dec 09 12:33:24 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I thought Maemo's kernel had it
Dec 09 12:33:42 <dm8tbr> Jucato: shameless plug: choose an a70 or a101
Dec 09 12:33:43 <abstract3d> how much time should i wait to start qemu runtime?
Dec 09 12:33:54 <lcuk> dm8tbr, ok cool, hopefully alterego will read whats here and come back and ask more questions
Dec 09 12:34:03 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: we don't use maemo kernel
Dec 09 12:34:06 <dm8tbr> Jucato: the open bootloader should surface any day now. it's been in internal testing for a bit
Dec 09 12:34:18 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I thought MeeGo was a merger of Maemo and Moblin?
Dec 09 12:34:20 <lcuk> nice
Dec 09 12:34:21 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: we use upstream kernel + upstreamed packages
Dec 09 12:34:32 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: i don't want to use 2.6.28, i want to use .35 or .37 :)
Dec 09 12:34:37 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: right :)
Dec 09 12:34:38 <Stskeeps> packages=patches
Dec 09 12:34:41 <dm8tbr> lcuk: alterego can ask me in-depth questions, I rewrote the init script this spring myself. :)
Dec 09 12:34:50 <Jucato> dm8tbr: I'm actually leaning towards it now, since the promo to get the SGT cheap has expired :) I'm just not so happy with the resolution/DPI.
Dec 09 12:35:00 <lcuk> Venemo_, it wasn't just cherry picking specific packages, it was choosing a sane set of components and practices too
Dec 09 12:35:06 <Jucato> dm8tbr: oh but definitely not the a101. not a fan of 9"+ :P
Dec 09 12:35:15 <lcuk> great stuff dm8tbr :)
Dec 09 12:35:19 <dm8tbr> http://dev.openaos.org/browser/trunk/openembedded/build/openaos/recipes/archos-init/initramfs-archosboot-multiroot/init-2.0.sh - looks a bit ugly, not latest version, I'll be available for questions in 4+h
Dec 09 12:35:25 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: so OMAP power management is not in the upstream kernel?
Dec 09 12:35:52 <Venemo_> lcuk: no insult intended, I was really surprised to hear this
Dec 09 12:35:57 <dm8tbr> Jucato: what makes me like Archos hw is that they finally opened up to FOSS and you can run whatever you want :)
Dec 09 12:36:00 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: it is now, but in .37
Dec 09 12:36:26 <dm8tbr> has been like that for the last 2 hw generations and is now continuing with the newest one
Dec 09 12:36:33 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: so can people actually try it now?
Dec 09 12:36:50 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: if they're hardcore, maybe
Dec 09 12:37:29 <Jucato> dm8tbr: it's also more affordable here when they come out. unfortunately I'm most worried about local service/warranty as there isn't any around here. it's just being carried by a local distributor (in limited numbers I might add)
Dec 09 12:38:16 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: umm... why does it require hardcoreness?
Dec 09 12:38:36 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: cross compile their own kernel and patch things ;)
Dec 09 12:38:50 <Jucato> Venemo_: compiling a kernel always requires hardcoreness :)
Dec 09 12:39:02 <Jucato> add "cross-" to it and you need mega hardcoreness :)
Dec 09 12:39:09 <Venemo_> so you mean that this stuff is not in the MeeGo images yet?
Dec 09 12:39:30 <Jucato> it's too recent, isn't it?
Dec 09 12:39:35 <Venemo_> I dunno
Dec 09 12:40:17 <abstract3d> qt-creator doesn't come with meego-sdk?
Dec 09 12:40:23 <abstract3d> i have to install it before?
Dec 09 12:40:55 <Venemo_> abstract3d: it comes with it afaik
Dec 09 12:41:11 <abstract3d> i tried to intsall meego-sdk and now to install qt-creator, i am going to tools-> preferences -> projects but i cannot see any option for meego
Dec 09 12:41:18 <abstract3d> Venemo_: no it doesn't :/
Dec 09 12:41:25 <abstract3d> @ubuntu 32bit 10.04
Dec 09 12:41:40 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: pretty much
Dec 09 12:42:15 <CosmoHill> lcuk: my assignment is coming along nicely
Dec 09 12:42:52 <lcuk> awesome CosmoHill \o
Dec 09 12:43:19 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: okay, thanks
Dec 09 12:43:47 <Venemo_> another question
Dec 09 12:43:59 <Venemo_> do the applications of different UXes share their backends?
Dec 09 12:45:25 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: hmm?
Dec 09 12:46:05 <Venemo_> what I mean is, for example if there's a calendar app in the handset ux and another one in the netbook ux, do they use the same backend?
Dec 09 12:46:10 <abstract3d> have any1 successfuly got working development environment with ubuntu or fedora or opensuse? and wich one?
Dec 09 12:46:26 <Venemo_> abstract3d: ask alterego, he did
Dec 09 12:46:35 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: the idea is for this to be true eventually, but atm it's not
Dec 09 12:46:46 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: in this particular example
Dec 09 12:46:46 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: that's sad
Dec 09 12:46:47 <abstract3d> alterego: ping
Dec 09 12:46:54 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: applications should use what's in core
Dec 09 12:46:58 <Stskeeps> which would be common
Dec 09 12:46:59 <Venemo_> ~seen alterego
Dec 09 12:47:01 <infobot> alterego is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 1271 messages. Is idling for 1h 20m 58s, last said: 'Heh'.
Dec 09 12:47:05 <Stskeeps> but cos of meego history with moblin,..
Dec 09 12:47:08 * Jucato is actually confused what meego is based on: fedora or opensuse ...
Dec 09 12:47:24 <Stskeeps> Jucato: none, itself
Dec 09 12:47:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:47:29 <Jucato> -_-
Dec 09 12:47:32 <Jucato> fair answer hahaha
Dec 09 12:47:33 <abstract3d> Jucato: is based on fedora, from moblin times
Dec 09 12:47:33 <alterego> abstract3d: pong
Dec 09 12:47:53 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: so it'll happen eventually, but hasn't yet, right?
Dec 09 12:47:55 <abstract3d> Jucato: moblin & maemo
Dec 09 12:47:57 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: right
Dec 09 12:48:03 <Jucato> abstract3d: ok. seeing zypper commands thrown around so much got me wondering :)
Dec 09 12:48:06 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: new apps naturally use the right backend
Dec 09 12:48:14 <abstract3d> alterego: have you got working dev environment with any distro?
Dec 09 12:48:26 <abstract3d> Jucato: i was wondering too :P
Dec 09 12:48:26 <alterego> Yeah
Dec 09 12:48:31 <abstract3d> alterego: wich one?
Dec 09 12:48:38 <alterego> ubuntu 10.10 64bit
Dec 09 12:48:51 <abstract3d> with the guide?
Dec 09 12:48:58 <alterego> Erm, not exactly no
Dec 09 12:49:04 <abstract3d> hm.. how?
Dec 09 12:49:07 <alterego> Pretty much though :)
Dec 09 12:49:24 <abstract3d> first of all, i tried to install meego-sdk but it doesnt come with qt-creator
Dec 09 12:49:27 <alterego> You should be able to follow the guide.
Dec 09 12:49:38 <alterego> Yeah, I use my own qt creator anyway.
Dec 09 12:49:45 <Jucato> is there any news/hope/rumor of the SDK supporting Fedora 14 before christmas comes? :)
Dec 09 12:49:47 <abstract3d> how did you link them?
Dec 09 12:49:49 <Jucato> (or at least a repo for F14?)
Dec 09 12:50:12 <abstract3d> alterego: i cannot see any option for meego projects inside qt-creator
Dec 09 12:50:51 <Appiah> I followed a guide that told me how to link it..
Dec 09 12:50:54 <abstract3d> also, when i tried to run qemu handset runtime, it shows me a msg to wait at console, but nothing happened
Dec 09 12:50:57 <alterego> abstract3d: yeah, mines some what custom in that regard ;)
Dec 09 12:51:06 <alterego> It uses maemo configuration
Dec 09 12:51:10 <alterego> (for me)
Dec 09 12:51:21 <abstract3d> i also checked with htop if is there any proccess for qemu but none
Dec 09 12:51:24 <alterego> abstract3d: what dist are you using?
Dec 09 12:51:43 <abstract3d> alterego: i am using gentoo, but for meego i am trying ubuntu in VBox
Dec 09 12:52:13 <abstract3d> i tried ubuntu 10.04.1 amd64 now i am trying ubuntu 10.04 32bit
Dec 09 12:52:18 <abstract3d> and again the same problems :?
Dec 09 12:52:19 <abstract3d> :/
Dec 09 12:52:24 <alterego> That will probably be the best bet/.
Dec 09 12:52:25 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I've looked a little bit on MeeGo's git repo
Dec 09 12:52:28 <alterego> But that's interesting.
Dec 09 12:53:03 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: my condolences
Dec 09 12:53:05 <abstract3d> any idea? or any steps to follow to got it working?
Dec 09 12:53:37 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: there are some components that are not at all on the architecture map on meego.com
Dec 09 12:53:40 <abstract3d> now i am trying to clean ubuntu and reinstall all packages if that solves the problem
Dec 09 12:53:49 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: like?
Dec 09 12:53:57 <alterego> abstract3d: well, I just followed the instructions
Dec 09 12:54:03 <abstract3d> :/
Dec 09 12:54:05 <alterego> So what is your problem? You just don't have qt creator?
Dec 09 12:54:14 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: for one, what is meegotouch-home?
Dec 09 12:54:23 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: it lacks any description in the repo
Dec 09 12:54:23 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: it's the home screen in handset UX?
Dec 09 12:54:29 <abstract3d> first, trying to install handset runtime, and to run it so i can test it, nothing happened
Dec 09 12:54:40 <abstract3d> secondly, no qt-creator with meego-sdk
Dec 09 12:54:46 <alterego> Ah, I think I had that problem too.
Dec 09 12:54:49 <alterego> Let me think
Dec 09 12:55:02 <abstract3d> i installed qt-creator after, but i have no way to get qt-creator have the option for meego project
Dec 09 12:55:06 <abstract3d> alterego: ok i am waiting :)
Dec 09 12:55:13 <alterego> Oh yes, the runtime requires virtualisation extensions fromn your cpu
Dec 09 12:55:20 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: okay, then why isn't it 1) in the handset ux repo 2) described as being the home screen in the handset ux 3) named handset-ux-home ?
Dec 09 12:55:33 <alterego> If you run it in a VM, (if it'll even work) you need to disable the requirement to use kvm.
Dec 09 12:56:15 <alterego> This should probably be documented, as I had forgotten I even needed to do that until now ^.^
Dec 09 12:56:23 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: sorry for bothering you with these stupid questions, but it seems that you're the only one who's answering :)
Dec 09 12:56:25 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: cos it belongs with the rest of the meegotouch-  stuff and could be used on tablet too..
Dec 09 12:56:35 <alterego> abstract3d: can you do me a favour and write down some notes ;)
Dec 09 12:57:17 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: ok, thanks
Dec 09 12:57:27 <abstract3d> well how to disable kvm? no kvm_module is being used right now
Dec 09 12:58:29 <abstract3d> also, xephyr is only for hosts with non-intel card?
Dec 09 12:58:49 <alterego> xephyr is for everyone I thought ..
Dec 09 12:58:54 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I thought MeeGo uses rpm, doesn't it?
Dec 09 12:59:01 <alterego> Crap, just bent my nail back,.
Dec 09 12:59:33 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: it does
Dec 09 12:59:36 <Venemo_> alterego: ouch
Dec 09 12:59:48 <Stskeeps> alterego: trying to get n900 back cover off?
Dec 09 12:59:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 12:59:58 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: then why are there debian packaging rules for things?
Dec 09 12:59:59 <nibia> @all: does anyone here tried to use Meego in a Nokia booklet?? I'm trying to use it from a USB drive, but it doesn't work at all. Can someone help me?
Dec 09 13:00:27 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: Harmattan?
Dec 09 13:00:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 13:00:35 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: oh, right :)
Dec 09 13:01:01 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: so this means that Harmattan'll use the same Handset UX?
Dec 09 13:01:19 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: dunno
Dec 09 13:01:36 <alterego> abstract3d: just give me a second ;
Dec 09 13:01:41 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: :P
Dec 09 13:01:51 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: i deal with meego.com, i'm happily ignorant
Dec 09 13:02:20 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: okay :)
Dec 09 13:03:20 <alterego> abstract3d: you still there?
Dec 09 13:03:24 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I have another question. Some time ago you talked about that there may be a chance to run MeeGo with the handset ux on N8x0 devices
Dec 09 13:03:25 <abstract3d> alterego: ofc
Dec 09 13:03:35 <alterego> This file /usr/lib/madde/linux-x86_64/runtimes/meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime/information
Dec 09 13:03:47 <alterego> That file contains the arguments to qemu to start it.
Dec 09 13:04:05 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: that would be good for me because I don't have another N900 for doing MeeGo dev
Dec 09 13:04:07 <alterego> You need to remove the "-enable-kvm" but that might not be the end of your problems, let me know how you get on
Dec 09 13:04:13 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: man, with all those questions i might have to ask where to send the invoice for my services :)
Dec 09 13:04:18 <alterego> brb
Dec 09 13:04:26 <abstract3d> alterego: ok, currently i am reinstalling everything @ubuntu :$
Dec 09 13:04:28 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: sorry, really :P
Dec 09 13:04:35 <abstract3d> in about 10 minutes i guess i can test that
Dec 09 13:04:45 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: but noone else ever answers such questions on this channel :)
Dec 09 13:05:27 <pupnik> Venemo_: you would be in fairly small minority of prospetive end-users for meego on n8x0
Dec 09 13:05:28 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: there's a chance but things take time..
Dec 09 13:06:55 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: my priority goes to n900 first, n8x0 second and lately n8x0 isn't getting much love :P
Dec 09 13:07:22 <Stskeeps> people should port qt 4.7 to diablo
Dec 09 13:07:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 13:07:27 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: hehe :D
Dec 09 13:07:39 <Jucato> no gnuton to poke :D
Dec 09 13:08:42 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: okay. thanks :)
Dec 09 13:08:54 <Jucato> so ... what is Harmattan now? :)
Dec 09 13:09:08 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I hope you're not mad at me for bothering you with these things
Dec 09 13:09:23 <Stskeeps> Venemo_: meh, buy me a drink in case you ever meet me
Dec 09 13:09:25 <Bostik> Stskeeps: that'll be the day, getting all the build-deps satisfied; even for fremantle those were utter horror to hunt down but I did manage it :)
Dec 09 13:09:42 <Venemo_> Stskeeps: I will
Dec 09 13:10:52 <Jucato> I think it's easy to meet Stskeeps. I heard he's located at his couch or something
Dec 09 13:11:14 <Stskeeps> mm, usually
Dec 09 13:11:45 <Venemo_> in which country?
Dec 09 13:11:53 <Stskeeps> .p
Dec 09 13:11:54 <Stskeeps> l
Dec 09 13:11:59 <Jucato> couch-country, duh :)
Dec 09 13:12:02 <Jucato> oh :)
Dec 09 13:17:52 <abstract3d> it was a bad idea to reinstall all packages @ubuntu..
Dec 09 13:18:13 <abstract3d> i will have to wait for the next century to come before it finish ..
Dec 09 13:18:47 <Venemo_> hehe
Dec 09 13:18:51 <alterego> :)
Dec 09 13:19:21 <abstract3d> omfg
Dec 09 13:19:28 <abstract3d> alterego: qtcreator comes with meego-sdk
Dec 09 13:19:37 <abstract3d> but the name of package is meego-sdk-qtcreator
Dec 09 13:19:48 <abstract3d> wtf..
Dec 09 13:19:53 <alterego> abstract3d: yeah, I know, but I use my own.
Dec 09 13:20:03 <abstract3d> alterego: why?
Dec 09 13:20:09 <alterego> abstract3d: it's to stop it conflicting with Nokia Qt SDK and any other versions you may have.
Dec 09 13:20:32 <abstract3d> alterego: so what is the package name?
Dec 09 13:20:35 <abstract3d> plain qt-creator?
Dec 09 13:21:05 <alterego> I installed from source
Dec 09 13:21:23 <abstract3d> alterego: whole sdk and qt?
Dec 09 13:21:24 <alterego> You may aswell use the meego one, as it's probably better integrated than my custom hodge-podge ;)
Dec 09 13:21:33 <alterego> Just qt creator
Dec 09 13:21:39 <abstract3d> ah ok :$
Dec 09 13:21:50 <ali1234> so does the meego-sdk have a qt-creator with targets for meego arm and x86 and can build rpms for me?
Dec 09 13:22:45 <alterego> ali1234: yes, except the rpm bit ..
Dec 09 13:22:59 <alterego> (don't quote me, maybe it does, but I don't use it) :D
Dec 09 13:23:09 <ali1234> the rpm bit is the only thing i need
Dec 09 13:23:35 <abstract3d> how to search with apt-get for available packages ?
Dec 09 13:23:41 <ali1234> apt-cache search
Dec 09 13:23:57 <Stskeeps> i thought it makes rpm packages but i might be wrong
Dec 09 13:24:05 <alterego> Yeah, tbh I don't know.
Dec 09 13:24:08 <abstract3d> ah apt-cache search <keyword>
Dec 09 13:24:17 <ali1234> if i install it, is it going to mess up my whole machine like the maemo sdk used to?
Dec 09 13:25:12 <jonnor> It was stated at the Meego conf that an OBS integration plugin for QtCreator existed. I do not know if it is in the Meego SDK though
Dec 09 13:25:13 <Stskeeps> ali1234: afaik it is trying to be non-invasive :P
Dec 09 13:25:31 <abstract3d> ubuntu with 1000000000000000000000000000 packages
Dec 09 13:25:31 <abstract3d> -.-
Dec 09 13:27:03 <ali1234> "none invasive" would mean installing everything in my homedir like the nokia sdk does
Dec 09 13:28:09 <nibia> ali1234: qt creator that comes with meego sdk builds rpms for you, as you can see in this link: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World#Packaging_the_Hello_World
Dec 09 13:28:17 <abstract3d> alterego: well disable-kvm worked
Dec 09 13:28:33 <alterego> abstract3d: sweet! :D
Dec 09 13:28:37 <abstract3d> but i am still w8ing for whole REINSTALL!
Dec 09 13:28:45 <alterego> Don't expect it to run particularly quickly though ;)
Dec 09 13:29:04 <alterego> with a vm inside a vm ^.^
Dec 09 13:29:21 <abstract3d> so it is fully functional @ubuntu 10.10 amd64?
Dec 09 13:29:26 <ali1234> has anyone tried the sdk on ubuntu maverick 64 bit? it doesn't say it is supported, or even planned for support
Dec 09 13:29:30 <ali1234> oh snap
Dec 09 13:29:40 <abstract3d> ali1234: :)
Dec 09 13:29:59 <abstract3d> alterego: i am still waiting to boot :p
Dec 09 13:30:12 <alterego> Hah
Dec 09 13:30:46 * Jucato starts the timer :)
Dec 09 13:30:52 <abstract3d> its normal.. if you think that i am reinstalling whole system in the same time :$
Dec 09 13:31:42 <abstract3d> alterego: 15:29 < abstract3d> so it is fully functional @ubuntu 10.10 amd64?
Dec 09 13:32:51 <alterego> abstract3d: handset is, for me, netbook not so much.
Dec 09 13:33:02 <alterego> But I'm not interested in netbook for the time being so I've not looked into itl
Dec 09 13:33:27 <abstract3d> is it wise to install it from gitorious?
Dec 09 13:33:32 <abstract3d> whole meego-sdk etc..
Dec 09 13:33:38 <abstract3d> just install package by package :$
Dec 09 13:33:56 <lcuk> alterego, did you see the pings from earlier regarding dm8tbr and booting from a file based image
Dec 09 13:34:19 <abstract3d> crap :D i have a black screen and an X arrow @qemu :P
Dec 09 13:34:30 <abstract3d> in arround 10 minutes it will boot :p
Dec 09 13:34:40 <abstract3d> it will be fully functional :P
Dec 09 13:35:12 <abstract3d> the bad thing is that ubuntu has grub2 and thats bad because i have grub legacy into gentoo :p
Dec 09 13:36:26 <alterego> lcuk: no, in this channel?
Dec 09 13:36:30 <abstract3d> i am thinking.. that if they want users to meego, they have to do things more simplified..
Dec 09 13:36:54 <abstract3d> nokia-sdk-qtcreator meego-sdk-qtcreator etc etc etc etc
Dec 09 13:37:09 <abstract3d> one package to go and have full functionality would be great :$
Dec 09 13:37:24 <ali1234> is the sdk in the meego repos, ie can i just install it on meego netbook with no fuss?
Dec 09 13:37:27 <lcuk> yes alterego
Dec 09 13:37:28 <alterego> abstract3d: there may be a meta package, but who knows :P
Dec 09 13:37:38 <abstract3d> alterego: there must be :$
Dec 09 13:37:45 <alterego> abstract3d: and I'm sure Nokia/Intel will releaes a proper single binary download SDK at some point.
Dec 09 13:37:53 <alterego> When they include support for Windows and OS X ;)
Dec 09 13:38:00 <Venemo_> alterego: they should do it anyway
Dec 09 13:38:08 <abstract3d> yeah.. 6 to 10 months later.. :$
Dec 09 13:38:20 <Chani> jonnor: OBS integration? that's project Bretzn (sp?) - I'm not sure how close to being done it is. but leinir might know :)
Dec 09 13:38:27 <ali1234> well the linux nokia sdk has no symbian support, so who cares if the windows version has no meego support, right?
Dec 09 13:38:46 <leinir> It's very, very close :)
Dec 09 13:38:51 <leinir> And yeah, that's Bretzn :)
Dec 09 13:38:54 <abstract3d> we don't like windows so we don't care
Dec 09 13:38:56 <abstract3d> :p
Dec 09 13:39:45 <leinir> i'm putting the last touches to the qt creator plugin side of it at the moment, sebas left a few things hanging before hopping off on a (well deserved, i should add!) holiday :)
Dec 09 13:43:14 <alterego> leinir: so you work on Qt Creator for MeeGo?
Dec 09 13:44:26 <abstract3d> i want meego-sdk etc inside gentoo
Dec 09 13:44:31 <abstract3d> i don't want any other crap
Dec 09 13:44:32 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 09 13:44:54 <abstract3d> ubuntu still reinstalling bin packages... wtf
Dec 09 13:45:17 <alterego> abstract3d: should be possible. Start by getting madde to work on gentoo
Dec 09 13:45:38 <abstract3d> alterego: with scratchbox?
Dec 09 13:46:22 <alterego> abstract3d: madde doesn't use scratchbox
Dec 09 13:46:40 <alterego> abstract3d: basically, you need to compile, from source, the qemu we use for meego SDK
Dec 09 13:46:43 <alterego> Which is in gitorious
Dec 09 13:46:51 <alterego> You also need to get madde working on gentoo
Dec 09 13:47:00 <alterego> (which probably doesn't need compiling from source)
Dec 09 13:47:13 <abstract3d> all @gentoo needs compile from source :P
Dec 09 13:47:31 <alterego> Grab whatever version of Qt creator you want to use, probably best to grap the qt creator with meego stuff from gitorious too.
Dec 09 13:47:33 <abstract3d> madde is available from package manager, @version 0.6.72 is that the latest?
Dec 09 13:47:49 <Jucato> alterego: so qemu is really necessary even just to compile for meego?
Dec 09 13:48:00 <alterego> Jucato: no
Dec 09 13:48:10 <alterego> Jucato: you only need madde for cross-compiling really.
Dec 09 13:48:27 <alterego> Jucato: qemu allows you to run the UXs in an emulator to test your apps.
Dec 09 13:48:31 <Jucato> ok well for handset ux I meant (which is most likely ARM)
Dec 09 13:48:56 <alterego> Jucato: yes, you can download the arm sysroots and compilers for madde and just use madde to cross compile.
Dec 09 13:49:03 <alterego> That's actually how I do my stuff ^.^
Dec 09 13:49:12 <Venemo_> is there a similar thingy for MeeGo like the Scratchbox-based SDK for Maemo?
Dec 09 13:49:22 <alterego> I don't bother with Qemu at the moment, though I did make sure I could at least get it to run ;)
Dec 09 13:49:28 <Venemo_> eg. for running the Handset UX in Xephyr or things like that?
Dec 09 13:49:31 <alterego> Venemo_: not really, no.
Dec 09 13:49:32 <Jucato> alterego: but madde uses qemu right? I'm in a bind because my CPU is a non-VT variant of VT CPU :)
Dec 09 13:49:39 <Venemo_> alterego: :(
Dec 09 13:49:43 <alterego> Venemo_: oh, yes there is that, like I said, it's done in qemu
Dec 09 13:49:50 <alterego> No scratchbox.
Dec 09 13:50:00 <Jucato> ok then I'm royally screwed :D
Dec 09 13:50:40 <alterego> Jucato: no madde doesn't use qemu
Dec 09 13:51:01 <alterego> Jucato: madde is just a cross-compilation target management utility.
Dec 09 13:51:14 <Venemo_> http://meego.com/developers/meego-application-development-cycle -> this page says something about a "MeeGo chroot" with Xephyr and stuff
Dec 09 13:51:30 <alterego> Jucato: it also has the ability to deploy to a device, and the "device" in meego SDK case can be a real device or a qemu emulated device.
Dec 09 13:51:40 <Jucato> alterego: ah, just not using scratchbox.
Dec 09 13:51:43 <ali1234> Venemo_: there is a *lot* of out of date info on the wiki
Dec 09 13:51:51 <Venemo_> ali1234: that is not the wiki
Dec 09 13:51:52 <Jucato> ok then, I have a n900 anyway so probably I can test there
Dec 09 13:52:04 <ali1234> Venemo_: that's even worse, but look at the date on it
Dec 09 13:52:06 <Jucato> Venemo_: which makes it even more outdated probalby :)
Dec 09 13:52:13 <Venemo_> ouch
Dec 09 13:52:23 <abstract3d> alterego: to install from git, i have to git clone, and after that compile the package right?
Dec 09 13:53:05 <alterego> abstract3d: yeah, you don't have any of that gentoo crap to help you this time :P
Dec 09 13:53:30 <alterego> Jucato: yes, I do most of my testing on device.
Dec 09 13:53:53 <abstract3d> alterego: and in wich directory do i have to create the folder for meego-git sources?
Dec 09 13:53:57 <abstract3d> @ /home it should be ok?
Dec 09 13:54:11 <alterego> Sure
Dec 09 13:54:18 <Jucato> hm ... thanks Venemo_, that explains what jonnor told me earlier
Dec 09 13:54:34 <alterego> The beauty of doing all of this from source is you can choose where you install it to aswell.
Dec 09 13:54:36 <Jucato> Intel GPU + Xephyr can take the place of QEMU with VT
Dec 09 13:54:45 <Venemo_> Jucato: what did he?
Dec 09 13:54:48 <Jucato> :)
Dec 09 13:55:11 <Jucato> my laptop's CPU is VT-capable but VT-disabled by BIOS :)
Dec 09 13:55:16 <Jucato> fortunately it has an Intel GPU
Dec 09 13:55:45 <Venemo_> mhm
Dec 09 13:56:05 <Venemo_> what do you mean by VT? hardware virtualization?
Dec 09 13:56:08 <Jucato> yep
Dec 09 13:56:19 <Jucato> Virtualization Technology. it's right there on that page too :)
Dec 09 13:56:33 <Jucato> and to the link I gave you a few hours ago :)
Dec 09 13:57:39 <leinir> alterego: Not exactly - i work on Bretzn's serverside implementation (a web service which does most of the work of distributing the work out to the various services like OBS and the meego OBS and such, as well as publishing sites like openDesktop.org and the meego garage... whenever that happens ;) ). But right now, because sebas has some time off and we need the system running, i'm hacking away at the Creator plugin :)
Dec 09 13:57:42 <leinir> Mmm, Qt ;)
Dec 09 13:57:45 <abstract3d> alterego: should i clone whole meego.gitorious.org?
Dec 09 13:58:03 <leinir> (sorry for the long response times, hackery is going on ;) )
Dec 09 13:58:53 <alterego> abstract3d: erm, if you want, but you don't need to.
Dec 09 13:59:02 <slaine> wow, been busy in here today
Dec 09 13:59:08 <alterego> abstract3d: like I said, start off with their qemu
Dec 09 13:59:21 <alterego> abstract3d: there's even a wiki page on building it
Dec 09 13:59:44 <leinir> alterego: And well, we're wanting to release before yule, so... yup, needs doing :)
Dec 09 13:59:45 <abstract3d> alterego: you sade to start with madde :P
Dec 09 14:00:06 <Jucato> I have to say though, I'm a bit disappointed at the current state of the SDK, specifically with the somewhat rigid/high requirements and/or the (unsupported) steps you have to take to get around them if you don't meet the requirements. It wasn't that hard for Maemo and wasn't that hard either for Android (I just tried setting up an SDK last week for a few minutes, just out of curiousity)
Dec 09 14:00:39 <Jucato> I'm just going to attribute it to MeeGo's birth pains and hope it will become easier/more flexible very soon
Dec 09 14:01:03 <abstract3d> alterego: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools
Dec 09 14:01:07 <leinir> *nods* It's just teething problems, yeah, the project still isn't a year old :)
Dec 09 14:01:12 <Stskeeps> Jucato: well, the requirements are rigid cos that's what is actually tested..
Dec 09 14:01:47 <alterego> abstract3d: indeed :)
Dec 09 14:02:11 <Venemo_> Jucato: anyway, I have no VT and no intel graphics either...
Dec 09 14:02:18 <alterego> Heh
Dec 09 14:02:31 <Jucato> Venemo_: no QEMU for us :)
Dec 09 14:02:36 <alterego> For most app development, you can just compile mtf for your desktop ^.^
Dec 09 14:03:02 <Venemo_> yep
Dec 09 14:03:16 <Jucato> leinir: I guess I just expected too much from 2 industry giants working together with Stskeeps
Dec 09 14:03:21 <Jucato> I mean with the community :)
Dec 09 14:03:31 * Jucato hides in a corner
Dec 09 14:03:38 <Stskeeps> oi
Dec 09 14:03:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 09 14:03:51 <alterego> Hahah
Dec 09 14:03:55 <alterego> quote of the day.
Dec 09 14:04:01 <Jucato> lol
Dec 09 14:04:23 <Jucato> sorry Stskeeps, you seem to be on my quick dial today
Dec 09 14:05:10 <alterego> Jucato: double-tab! :D
Dec 09 14:06:13 <Jucato> :)
Dec 09 14:09:23 <abstract3d> alterego: is there any way to clone whole meego git tree?
Dec 09 14:09:48 <alterego> abstract3d: probably, but why would you want to? :P
Dec 09 14:10:12 <abstract3d> alterego: i want :P
Dec 09 14:10:28 <abstract3d> ok maybe i don't need all that packages :p but is there any way to do that?
Dec 09 14:10:42 <alterego> Don't know :P
Dec 09 14:10:53 <alterego> That's not really how it works here.
Dec 09 14:11:05 <alterego> People don't develop for every part of meego at the same time.
Dec 09 14:11:20 <alterego> We rely on auto-builders to build the latest versions of packages and then we just build the stuff we're working on.
Dec 09 14:13:11 <CosmoHill> first two sections of my assignment are done
Dec 09 14:13:12 <CosmoHill> :D
Dec 09 14:41:55 <abstract3d> alterego: after qemu what to do?
Dec 09 14:42:55 <alterego> madde
Dec 09 14:43:17 <alterego> You shouldn't have to build it. If you just download the package from the meego repo and uncompress it somewhere.
Dec 09 14:43:43 <abstract3d> well its the same i suppose
Dec 09 14:44:03 <abstract3d> and after madde?
Dec 09 14:50:21 <alterego> abstract3d: qt creator
Dec 09 14:50:28 <alterego> then make them work nicely with each other.
Dec 09 14:50:34 * alterego is afk
Dec 09 14:51:27 <abstract3d> alterego: ok thanks :) i will try :p
Dec 09 15:17:00 <mlpug> How do I get all conference presentations easily? wget -r -A pdf,odp http://conference2010.meego.com/sites/all/files/sessions  throws error 403 even if I am able to wget individual presentation file. tnx for hint.
Dec 09 15:26:08 <abstract3d> mlpug: http://conference2010.meego.com/sites/all/files/sessions
Dec 09 15:26:10 <abstract3d> its dead
Dec 09 15:27:05 <abstract3d> but.. how i can download all that ? http://conference2010.meego.com/sites/all/files/sessions
Dec 09 15:27:10 <abstract3d> http://video.linuxfoundation.org/categories/conferences-symposiums/2010-meego-conference *
Dec 09 15:30:50 <pupnik> abstract3d: you can use ctrl+u to find the video url
Dec 09 15:31:18 <pupnik> search for .flv
Dec 09 15:32:16 <pupnik> and i don't think anyone wants people to mass-download videos
Dec 09 15:32:22 <pupnik> otherwise that would have been an option
Dec 09 15:44:04 <Alison_Chaiken> Has anyone checked out Jolicloud and have some thoughts about how it looks compared to MeeGo?
Dec 09 15:57:01 <muckymouse> Hi, im trying to install wireless drivers but im getting RPM build errors saying 'user glen does not exist' and 'group glen does not exist' any ideas?
Dec 09 16:00:10 <muckymouse> i followed the wifi guide from slaine.org
Dec 09 16:02:01 <abstract3d> muckymouse: post the link
Dec 09 16:02:18 <muckymouse> http://www.slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html
Dec 09 16:02:39 <muckymouse> the wireless card requires broadcom b43 drivers
Dec 09 16:03:49 <abstract3d> http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-844.html
Dec 09 16:15:13 <muckymouse> abstract3d: thank you for the link, its working now :)
Dec 09 16:15:51 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 09 16:19:46 <abstract3d> muckymouse: :)
Dec 09 16:34:32 <abstract3d> alterego: i am trying to install mic but i get this error when doing mic-chroot /tmp/handset http://pastebin.com/WMRDnc2d
Dec 09 16:43:42 <lbt> rpm sucks ballz
Dec 09 16:43:47 <lbt> just sayin'
Dec 09 16:44:16 <lcuk> lbt?
Dec 09 16:44:31 <lcuk> is this follow up to your ongoing versioning investigation
Dec 09 16:44:42 <lbt> kinda
Dec 09 16:45:09 <lbt> let's just say that the regexp for validating an rpm changelog entry is  :   .*
Dec 09 16:45:56 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: pong
Dec 09 16:45:58 <lbt> I just found a .changes file that has no versions in it... just dates
Dec 09 16:46:17 <Stskeeps> lbt: eep
Dec 09 16:46:35 <muckymouse> whats the name of that piece of software thats good taking notes, like ms onenote, begins with z i think
Dec 09 16:46:41 <lbt> nokia internal so I can fix it
Dec 09 16:47:18 <lbt> but the problem is that the 'version' is optional at the end of a changelog entry so I can't easily flag them
Dec 09 16:47:48 <DawnFoster> hey Stskeeps - did you already run the irc stats for November? Can't seem to find the link.
Dec 09 16:48:12 <lbt> oh, speaking of which.... Stskeeps I owe you an ircbot VM in meego.com-land
Dec 09 16:48:15 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i was wondering that too recently
Dec 09 16:48:25 <abstract3d> alterego: i find the way to install module, i am going on with the rest of install :$
Dec 09 16:48:30 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: let me check when i am at my hotel later
Dec 09 16:48:39 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: no hurry
Dec 09 16:48:41 <npm> howcome the Meego SDK has  qt-tools.x86_64, version 4.7.0-8.3 but the SDK has 4.7.1-1.1 Qt ?
Dec 09 16:48:47 <muckymouse> zim!
Dec 09 16:48:53 <Stskeeps> lbt: yes please
Dec 09 16:48:54 <muckymouse> i think
Dec 09 16:49:10 <lbt> zim is cool
Dec 09 16:49:11 <abstract3d> hm
Dec 09 16:53:57 <drizztbsd> hi
Dec 09 16:54:10 <drizztbsd> can I make a call using meego 1.1 for n900?
Dec 09 16:54:49 <Stskeeps> yees
Dec 09 16:55:57 <drizztbsd> I only obtain aircraft mode
Dec 09 16:56:04 <drizztbsd> or better, I have a plane near the battery icon :P
Dec 09 16:56:32 <muckymouse> how come zypper is not showing any packages when i do something like sudo zypper search firefox?
Dec 09 16:57:16 <npm> how about "fennec"
Dec 09 16:57:25 <abstract3d> please HELP!
Dec 09 16:58:05 <abstract3d> http://pastebin.com/0ks4biMC error trying guide http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools
Dec 09 16:58:23 <abstract3d> i updated repos.d because they had wrong urls
Dec 09 16:58:30 <abstract3d> but i still can't use zypper
Dec 09 16:58:30 <abstract3d> -.-
Dec 09 16:58:46 <tripzero> drizztbsd, the airplan usually means you have no sim card
Dec 09 16:58:55 <tripzero> or that ofono is broken
Dec 09 16:59:05 <drizztbsd> I have sim card and I used the nokia.com image
Dec 09 16:59:13 <drizztbsd> maybe PIN is not supported or something else
Dec 09 17:05:03 <CosmoHill> hey Stskeeps, how's it going?
Dec 09 17:05:13 <Alison_Chaiken> Hey dneary, have you ever run gitdm against the MeeGo repos?   I think it would be an interesting way to make the point that MeeGo is a traditional multi-contributor Linux project  like Gnome, for example.   I'm interested in doing the work but don't want to duplicate effort.
Dec 09 17:06:00 <abstract3d> CosmoHill:
Dec 09 17:06:02 <abstract3d> Stskeeps:
Dec 09 17:06:06 <abstract3d> someone please help -.-
Dec 09 17:06:17 <CosmoHill> my brain has just turned off
Dec 09 17:06:23 * drizztbsd cryes :P
Dec 09 17:06:36 <CosmoHill> drizztbsd: *cries
Dec 09 17:06:41 <drizztbsd> ops
Dec 09 17:06:50 <abstract3d> repos.d/core.repo had inside
Dec 09 17:06:51 <abstract3d> baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/live/core/repos/ia32/packages/
Dec 09 17:06:51 <abstract3d> gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego
Dec 09 17:07:13 <abstract3d> that's fixed. it had baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/****preview****/core/repos/ia32/packages/
Dec 09 17:07:27 <abstract3d> i changed to live, now it should be ok to take packages
Dec 09 17:07:28 <dm8tbr> plopp
Dec 09 17:07:32 <abstract3d> but i am still taking the msg
Dec 09 17:07:45 <CosmoHill> does it have the *** in it?
Dec 09 17:07:48 <abstract3d> i did zypper refresh but nothing happened
Dec 09 17:07:48 <dm8tbr> alterego, lcuk - you guys need something currently?
Dec 09 17:07:56 <CosmoHill> lu dm8tbr
Dec 09 17:08:01 <abstract3d> CosmoHill: no. it had /preview/ instead of /live/ etc
Dec 09 17:08:09 <dm8tbr> hoho CosmoHill
Dec 09 17:08:15 <CosmoHill> ah okay, I was gonna say it's not a valid URL
Dec 09 17:08:22 <lcuk> dm8tbr, checking I have all ingredients to make a curry, but I think I am out of chicken, do you have some?
Dec 09 17:08:24 * dm8tbr just saw 'Rare Exports' in the cinema <3
Dec 09 17:08:31 <abstract3d> CosmoHill: it wasn't valid url, but i changed
Dec 09 17:08:32 <dm8tbr> best movie I've seen in a while
Dec 09 17:08:43 <abstract3d> but it still can't read repo
Dec 09 17:08:53 <dm8tbr> lcuk: actually yes, come down and get it. I have some in the freezer
Dec 09 17:08:57 <abstract3d> i will kill myself please help (!)
Dec 09 17:09:07 <lcuk> hmm frozen chicken, not got any fresh?
Dec 09 17:09:24 <lcuk> curry flavour ice lollies, yum!
Dec 09 17:09:39 <CosmoHill> abstract3d: I won't be able to help you for multiple reasons (list available upon request)
Dec 09 17:09:44 <drizztbsd> btw I'm using meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2
Dec 09 17:09:44 <CosmoHill> sorry
Dec 09 17:09:48 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: was trying to find a showing with subtitles :P
Dec 09 17:10:07 <Stskeeps> drizztbsd: if you have a pin code on sim it wont work
Dec 09 17:10:14 <timoph> dm8tbr: I saw it yesterday. liked it alot
Dec 09 17:10:21 <alterego> dm8tbr: ?
Dec 09 17:10:25 <abstract3d> i just don't know for what reason it ignores the change of repo
Dec 09 17:10:27 <dneary> Alison_Chaiken, No, I haven't
Dec 09 17:10:32 <drizztbsd> Stskeeps: oh ok
Dec 09 17:10:42 <abstract3d> alterego: ping
Dec 09 17:10:43 <drizztbsd> i'm removing it
Dec 09 17:10:46 <dneary> Alison_Chaiken, So knock yourself out :)
Dec 09 17:10:56 <Alison_Chaiken> dneary, I'll give it a try and see how it comes out.
Dec 09 17:10:56 <abstract3d> alterego: i am trying to install qemu from source. i am chrooted with mic
Dec 09 17:11:00 <dneary> My one quick tip is that gitdm works on git logs
Dec 09 17:11:26 <dneary> And you can concatenate the logs from different repositories to do big overviews, instead of having to do module by module
Dec 09 17:11:29 <abstract3d> i am trying to do "zypper remove kernel-mrst" zypper remove kernel-mrst
Dec 09 17:11:34 <alterego> abstract3d: why not run it natively?
Dec 09 17:11:38 <abstract3d> but it seems that repositories were but
Dec 09 17:11:48 <dneary> That's what I had to do to get overall GNOME figures
Dec 09 17:11:56 <alterego> Not sure what you want the chroot for ;)
Dec 09 17:12:04 <abstract3d> alterego:
Dec 09 17:12:04 <abstract3d> baseurl=http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/live/core/repos/ia32/packages/
Dec 09 17:12:05 <abstract3d> gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego
Dec 09 17:12:22 <abstract3d> previously, it had preview instead of live
Dec 09 17:12:24 <alterego> abstract3d: this isn't really something I can help you with sorry :/
Dec 09 17:12:39 <abstract3d> i fixed url, but i cannot get zypper workin
Dec 09 17:12:53 <alterego> I've not setup chroot of meego for a meego dev env. I've only ever build the components myself or used debs.
Dec 09 17:12:56 <abstract3d> and this #opensuse channel is dead
Dec 09 17:13:04 <alterego> Heh
Dec 09 17:13:22 <alterego> dm8tbr: what do you mean am I looking for something? :P
Dec 09 17:14:17 <dm8tbr> alterego: lcuk said you might be interested in my experience of running a boot menu for choosing userspace out of an initrd
Dec 09 17:14:52 <alterego> dm8tbr: I maybe yes, I'll let you know if it comes to that ;)
Dec 09 17:15:25 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: yeah, that's hard. we had to take 3 international student clubs from all the universities here and order an individual showing
Dec 09 17:15:40 <dm8tbr> alterego: ok :)
Dec 09 17:16:00 <alterego> How do I access http://developer.meego.com/ ?
Dec 09 17:16:05 <alterego> Is it not public yet?
Dec 09 17:16:14 <timoph> meego:password
Dec 09 17:16:25 <alterego> Ah :)
Dec 09 17:16:42 <alterego> doesn't seem to want to work ..
Dec 09 17:16:45 <timoph> beta, they're hiding it from search engines
Dec 09 17:16:52 <Stskeeps> meego:developer
Dec 09 17:17:10 <alterego> Thanks Stskeeps :)
Dec 09 17:17:10 <CosmoHill> that worked
Dec 09 17:17:12 <alterego> Ooo, pretty.
Dec 09 17:17:13 <timoph> ah. remembered it wrong :/
Dec 09 17:17:35 <CosmoHill> I like the website :)
Dec 09 17:17:38 <CosmoHill> very nice design
Dec 09 17:17:49 <timoph> yep. that looks good
Dec 09 17:18:00 <alterego> I don't like how the banner header moves down when you hover a section
Dec 09 17:18:17 <abstract3d> OMG
Dec 09 17:18:23 <abstract3d> #OPENSUSE ARE IDIOTS?
Dec 09 17:18:26 <abstract3d> I AM ASKING HELP FOR ZYPER
Dec 09 17:18:39 <msvb1> I didn't even know about developer.meego.com. Do we (those with general meego accounts) all have access to it?
Dec 09 17:18:40 <abstract3d> AND THEY ARE TELLING TO ME THAT THEY DONT GIVE HELP FOR MEEGO
Dec 09 17:18:41 <timoph> please don't shout that to us
Dec 09 17:18:48 <abstract3d> THATS NOT MEEGO RELATED ONLY STUFF FOR GOD
Dec 09 17:18:49 <abstract3d> -.-
Dec 09 17:19:15 <Stskeeps> abstract3d: please stop shouting, you'll wake the zombies
Dec 09 17:19:35 <abstract3d> Stskeeps: arent they idiots?
Dec 09 17:19:42 <alterego> Who's running the fremantle obs taskforce? :)
Dec 09 17:20:00 <alterego> abstract3d: who knows, but still, tone it down a bit in here ;)
Dec 09 17:20:14 <alterego> all caps is very distracting
Dec 09 17:20:17 <abstract3d> alterego: yeah you are right, sorry for that, but he is like a little baby
Dec 09 17:20:25 <abstract3d> "oh no i don't give meego support"
Dec 09 17:20:33 <alterego> Heh
Dec 09 17:20:56 <alterego> Try to keep your questions specific to zypper then and don't mention meego ;)
Dec 09 17:21:21 <alterego> People love to cop off when something is marginally off topic, it's a good justification or not having to do anything :)
Dec 09 17:21:23 * CosmoHill puts a hat on abstract3d before he goes back into #opensuse
Dec 09 17:21:40 <timoph> :)
Dec 09 17:21:45 <alterego> Heh
Dec 09 17:21:59 <CosmoHill> I've never told anyone to sod off because they had a non LFS related problem >.>
Dec 09 17:22:07 <alterego> Anyhow, who's working on obs for fremantle?
Dec 09 17:22:26 <abstract3d> http://pastebin.com/P5vGYc2H <-------------------------
Dec 09 17:22:28 <alterego> abstract3d: and _definitely_ don't mention you're using gentoo ..
Dec 09 17:22:32 <timoph> alterego: lbt?
Dec 09 17:22:39 <abstract3d> look at this noobs
Dec 09 17:22:45 <abstract3d> this noob specific
Dec 09 17:23:54 <abstract3d> what the fuck i wish his CPU to take fire and his PSU die forever
Dec 09 17:24:00 <abstract3d> and all PSU that he will try
Dec 09 17:24:20 <dm8tbr> alterego: please, tone down your language, KTX
Dec 09 17:24:34 <alterego> dm8tbr: I don't htink you mean me :P
Dec 09 17:24:40 <dm8tbr> alterego: sorry
Dec 09 17:24:47 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: please, tone down your language, KTX
Dec 09 17:24:52 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: kk it was the last one about these guys
Dec 09 17:24:52 <alterego> Heh
Dec 09 17:25:00 <dm8tbr> alterego: obvious tab-complete-fail :/
Dec 09 17:25:13 <alterego> I think that's the second time that's happened to me in the past two days :P
Dec 09 17:25:17 <CosmoHill> we have a swear jar in the channel I run
Dec 09 17:25:28 <CosmoHill> we've not figured out how to get the bot to count the number of coins you've put in it
Dec 09 17:26:42 <alterego> CosmoHill: grep someswearword | wc -l
Dec 09 17:26:43 <alterego> :)
Dec 09 17:26:59 <abstract3d> omfg
Dec 09 17:27:03 <abstract3d> my head.. -.-
Dec 09 17:27:19 <abstract3d> i can see 3 or 4 screens comeout from my laptop -.-
Dec 09 17:27:20 <alterego> abstract3d: calm down, have a cup of tea, take a break and come back in half an hour :P
Dec 09 17:27:31 <CosmoHill> abstract3d: pics!
Dec 09 17:27:35 <slonopotamus> abstract3d: i agree with that man. #opensuse is for opensuse-specific questions.
Dec 09 17:27:56 <abstract3d> slonopotamus: i asked something about zypper
Dec 09 17:28:01 <abstract3d> not config file and init.d files etc
Dec 09 17:28:23 <slonopotamus> abstract3d: so? ask on #zypper or whatever
Dec 09 17:28:59 <slonopotamus> abstract3d: do you ask libtool questions in #darwin just because they happen to use libtool too?
Dec 09 17:29:11 <CosmoHill> screwed up logic: "Due to the random nature of the string generation and mutation the best case scenario is one and the worst case is infinity. If the program used a float instead of an integer the worse case would be a bigger infinity.  "
Dec 09 17:29:15 <Alison_Chaiken> dneary, thanks for the tip about concatenation.    I'll have at the git logs.
Dec 09 17:29:41 <abstract3d> slonopotamus: if i have a problem with APT i will ask @DEBIAN if @UBUNTU they didn't answered me
Dec 09 17:29:51 <slonopotamus> abstract3d: on kde questions on #anime just because there should be some people there who uses kde
Dec 09 17:30:12 <slonopotamus> s/on kde/or kde/
Dec 09 17:30:13 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: abstract3d: or kde questions on #anime just because there should be some people there who uses kde
Dec 09 17:30:54 <CosmoHill> I think this channel is pretty lax about the on topic rule. I've only seen it enforced when there are trolls about
Dec 09 17:33:48 <abstract3d> does anyone know how to add/remove repos with ZYPPER?
Dec 09 17:34:26 <Stskeeps>  /etc/zypp/repos.d ?
Dec 09 17:34:31 <abstract3d> i did
Dec 09 17:34:38 <abstract3d> but how to update zypper to use them?
Dec 09 17:34:52 <Stskeeps> zypper up?
Dec 09 17:34:52 <abstract3d> i tried zypper refresh but same issue again
Dec 09 17:35:14 <Stskeeps> besides that, there's a zypper cheatsheet, or 'man zypper'
Dec 09 17:35:18 <abstract3d> Stskeeps: no that is like apt-get upgrade
Dec 09 17:35:29 <dm8tbr> zypper refresh?
Dec 09 17:37:21 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: didnt worked
Dec 09 17:39:11 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: read the manpage then
Dec 09 17:46:27 <abstract3d> hm.. i fixed handset repo
Dec 09 17:46:31 <abstract3d> but not others -.-
Dec 09 17:47:25 <CosmoHill> abstract3d: have some relaxing music : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0azxS5FTpY&feature=related
Dec 09 17:48:55 <abstract3d> CosmoHill: maybe it was because of Children of bodom :$
Dec 09 17:50:22 <lcuk> hmm what a nice facepalm for widgetsgallery, rotating orientation 180degrees
Dec 09 17:50:34 <lcuk> and enabling fps view shows it upside down
Dec 09 17:50:47 <npm> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Setting_up_N900_device says "Download MeeGo image from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ > folder 1.0.99 >"
Dec 09 17:50:58 <npm> shouldn't that be "folder 1.1.(
Dec 09 17:51:37 <timoph> 1.1.x > 1.0.99
Dec 09 17:51:52 <timoph> so true anyway
Dec 09 17:54:10 <npm> oh i thought that was a typo for <placeholder>
Dec 09 17:54:54 <npm> also there's too many conflicting duplicated pages for the same thing http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 from http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset
Dec 09 17:55:09 <abstract3d> all repositories fine right now (YEAH!)
Dec 09 17:55:55 <npm> versus http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1 --> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Setting_up_N900_device
Dec 09 17:55:58 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://imgur.com/Q0IsE
Dec 09 17:56:00 <abstract3d> also, repos.d/*.repo had /preview/ wich is not available
Dec 09 17:56:10 <abstract3d> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ <- no preview
Dec 09 17:56:20 <abstract3d> so i changed it to /daily/
Dec 09 17:56:38 <abstract3d> after that zypper modifyrepo -e $REPO_URL
Dec 09 17:56:48 <abstract3d> and after enabling all url, zypper refresh
Dec 09 17:57:04 <lcuk> Stskeeps, o_O
Dec 09 17:57:22 <abstract3d> i have to start bloging for all those stuff and file some bug reports :$
Dec 09 17:57:39 <timoph> abstract3d: you could add that to wiki in case someone else has same issues
Dec 09 17:58:14 <abstract3d> timoph: in this document that i am trying to follow?
Dec 09 17:58:16 <abstract3d> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools
Dec 09 17:58:28 <abstract3d> can i edit this one directly? i don't want to mess up things
Dec 09 17:58:47 <timoph> add a troubleshooting section or something
Dec 09 17:59:53 <timoph> wiki has a revision system so if you mess up the page can be restored :)
Dec 09 18:00:58 * lcuk giggles at the dancing screen
Dec 09 18:01:22 <abstract3d> hm i can't login @wiki
Dec 09 18:01:59 <timoph> are you logged in at meego.com
Dec 09 18:02:06 <abstract3d> yes
Dec 09 18:02:23 <timoph> try logging out from there first
Dec 09 18:02:23 <CosmoHill> log out and log in again
Dec 09 18:04:59 <abstract3d> nop..
Dec 09 18:05:00 <abstract3d> nevermind
Dec 09 18:05:15 <pupnik> "Developers celebrate Halloween and Christmas together because Oct(31) == Dec(25)"
Dec 09 18:05:17 <abstract3d> i will finish with that and after i will add the troubleshooting section
Dec 09 18:06:39 <abstract3d> btw
Dec 09 18:07:02 <abstract3d> meego, has to pass to its users to use Bugtracker and post their solutions
Dec 09 18:07:19 <abstract3d> i can find various solution inside forum & mailing lists archives, that should to be @wiki
Dec 09 18:08:14 <abstract3d> lot of people won't search inside mailing lists etc.. so we have to make easier for some of them to find those usefull info
Dec 09 18:08:20 <abstract3d> indeed this period
Dec 09 18:08:47 <dm8tbr> lbt: could you enable cobs for me and obko? we'll be looking into building some glue packages for the Archos gen7 and gen8 devices
Dec 09 18:09:09 <timoph> you could start a task force to get the stuff into wiki
Dec 09 18:09:55 <lbt> dm8tbr: done
Dec 09 18:10:27 <abstract3d> i will tell about that @next office meeting
Dec 09 18:11:15 <timoph> would be a great contribution IMO
Dec 09 18:11:40 <mihero> 0272ff0
Dec 09 18:11:52 <abstract3d> oh no...
Dec 09 18:11:53 <abstract3d> /tmp/handset/boot/extlinux is device /dev/mapper/loop0p1
Dec 09 18:11:53 <abstract3d> Segmentation fault
Dec 09 18:12:04 <abstract3d> after extlinux --install /tmp/handset/boot/extlinux
Dec 09 18:13:21 <lolloo> can someone of you kind people link me to instructions how to install MeeGo SDK N900 on windows 7 ?
Dec 09 18:15:41 <dm8tbr> lbt: thanks *bow*
Dec 09 18:20:55 <slaine> lolloo: have you looked on the website for the details ?
Dec 09 18:21:10 <slaine> lolloo: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows
Dec 09 18:28:52 <abstract3d> alterego: so, i build qemu, but i don't have rotate etc options :/
Dec 09 18:29:40 <lolloo> slaine, Thank you my good man.
Dec 09 18:31:15 <lolloo> slaine, this is for N900 too?
Dec 09 18:31:56 * CosmoHill glares at his printer drivers
Dec 09 18:47:20 <alterego> abstract3d: you need the emulator "skin" files I think.
Dec 09 19:02:59 <msvb1> Has anyone successfully downloaded the splashtop zip file to try setting up quickstart on the ideapad?
Dec 09 19:03:17 <msvb1> The filename is lv_2010x.zip but there's big problems in downloading it.
Dec 09 19:03:45 <msvb1> Others have written in the mailing list that it took about a fully day to download, and finally the transfer failed.
Dec 09 19:04:17 <msvb1> …so it seems that the Splashtop folks are not buying enough capacity or something.
Dec 09 19:04:36 <msvb1> And it may even be that the zip file they provide on their servers is corrupt (on their servers as well.)
Dec 09 19:05:14 <nbrouard> Hi, when executing widgetsgallery, I got a lot of errors/warning. The first one is "GConf-WARNING **: Directory `/meegotouch/i18n/lc_telephone' was not being monitored by GConfClient". Does someone know what's wrong? I use the ubuntu package meegotouch-demos-widgetsgallery from "Forum Nokia Qt PPA".
Dec 09 19:16:01 * lcuk smiles at sabotage :)
Dec 09 19:16:04 <ali1234> msvb1: splashtop sucks anyway...
Dec 09 19:16:26 <ali1234> it's only "quick" compared to a completely screwed windows install
Dec 09 19:20:52 <msvb1> ali1234: Okay, then I'll forget about trying to download and install splashtop.
Dec 09 19:21:02 <msvb1> ali1234: Is that what you reccommend?
Dec 09 19:21:53 <msvb1> ali1234: I'm actually quite relieved with the advice, because nobody looks forward to repartitioning the hard drive of a working system.
Dec 09 19:22:44 <msvb1> Now the problem becomes, 'how to safely hack the ideapad BIOS to make the quickstart hardware generic?'
Dec 09 19:23:10 <ali1234> there isn't really anything special about splashtop and "quickstart"
Dec 09 19:23:43 <ali1234> as far as i can tell it just skips the memory test and shows a different splash screen, then boots splashtop exactly the same way as any other OS
Dec 09 19:23:43 <msvb1> How do you use the quickstart button without splashtop then?
Dec 09 19:24:29 <ali1234> you mean the recovery button?
Dec 09 19:24:35 <msvb1> You mean I can create a new partition (of any size and type) on the hard drive in the position where the ideapad BIOS expects, and pressing the quickstart button will start the OS on that partition?
Dec 09 19:24:52 <ali1234> almost certainly yes
Dec 09 19:25:01 <ali1234> you might need a signed bootloader or some stupid thing like that
Dec 09 19:25:11 <msvb1> Okay, sorry it seems I've confused two hardware buttons.
Dec 09 19:25:28 <msvb1> I was under the impression that there was a 'quickstart' button near the recovery button.
Dec 09 19:25:36 <ali1234> i'm not sure what the quickstart button is, you mean the button at the top left of the keyboard?
Dec 09 19:25:56 <ali1234> directly above escape
Dec 09 19:26:30 <ali1234> there's no other buttons around there except the ones on the screen, which are mute, rotate and something else i'm not sure what...
Dec 09 19:26:50 <msvb1> ali1234: Yes, two of them are very clear (mute and rotate.)
Dec 09 19:26:59 <msvb1> ali1234: I think the third is 'recovery'.
Dec 09 19:27:10 <ali1234> no, recovery is the one on the keyboard above escape
Dec 09 19:27:14 <ali1234> lemme check the manual :)
Dec 09 19:27:47 <msvb1> ali1234: Ah you're right. Its so small that I never noticed it before.
Dec 09 19:27:59 <msvb1> ali1234: So that's the fabled 'recovery' button that I've heard about.
Dec 09 19:28:05 <ali1234> ok, on the screen is "lenovo natural touch", rotate, mute
Dec 09 19:28:35 <ali1234> and the recovery button above escape is also known as the "onekey rescue system button"
Dec 09 19:28:50 <ali1234> it probably boots splashtop to do the recovery
Dec 09 19:29:09 <msvb1> What the heck is 'natural touch', oh my what a waste it is with these marketing processes and sales terms.
Dec 09 19:29:12 <ali1234> but splashtop is not magic, it doesn't actually boot any faster than any other linux distro
Dec 09 19:29:30 <ali1234> i dunno what natural touch is, it probably just launches the lenovo settings or something
Dec 09 19:29:34 <msvb1> And even more, how to access this hardware and what it should do in a generic operating sytem (MeeGo for example.)
Dec 09 19:29:54 <ali1234> someone was working on getting the buttons working
Dec 09 19:30:12 <msvb1> Well the bigger issue is to avoid having hardware which we can't use (because the OS does not support it.)
Dec 09 19:30:17 <ali1234> the rotate button is actually physically prevented from working unless the screen is rotated into tablet mode
Dec 09 19:30:29 <msvb1> ali1234: Yes, I've seen that and checked it out.
Dec 09 19:31:25 <ali1234> since we all wiped the recovery partition when installing meego there is no way to find out how it works, unless someone didn't wipe and can upload the disk image
Dec 09 19:31:35 <msvb1> ali1234: Okay as long as we're happy using the rotate button for rotation then that policy (hardware prevention) is not so bad.
Dec 09 19:33:09 <msvb1> Well it (or its config) is probably written in the BIOS, which can be edited. That's the job for a really bored developer, though. Or a really hard worker.
Dec 09 19:33:41 <sphinxxx> hey anyone a jolicloud user? i've been using it but thinking about switching over to meego
Dec 09 19:33:43 <ali1234> if all else fails, load up the bios in your favourite disassembler/debugger
Dec 09 19:34:45 <msvb1> ali1234: Right, and work about a few days until it's clear that you've bricked hundreds worth of hardware and then give up… Not a nice job to do.
Dec 09 19:35:35 <ali1234> nah, you don't need to edit the bios
Dec 09 19:35:49 <ali1234> just look what it expects and provide it, in terms of partitioning
Dec 09 19:36:04 <msvb1> ali1234: …or install a windows OS and work a few days more using a very expensive and proprietary BIOS editor, and then give up after that too.
Dec 09 19:36:13 <lolloo> it's so hard just installing MeeGo SDK on windows For my N900!
Dec 09 19:36:26 <lolloo> there is no straight way or what?
Dec 09 19:36:38 <msvb1> ali1234: I almost have the feeling that there's some special logic in the BIOS to prevent easy usage of the quickstart button.
Dec 09 19:36:49 <ali1234> probably, yes
Dec 09 19:36:51 <lolloo> I just want to run hello world on n900 and its taking me ages!!
Dec 09 19:36:56 <ali1234> but bios by nature is not complex
Dec 09 19:37:28 <ali1234> if you want to use it within software that's probably out of the question
Dec 09 19:37:38 <msvb1> ali1234: I'd be really surprised if pushing that quickstart button checked if there is a bootloader on partition 'N' and then load and execute it.
Dec 09 19:37:48 <ali1234> but to make it work as a recovery button somehow without the lenovo recovery image should be easy
Dec 09 19:37:59 <ali1234> well... that's exactly what it does
Dec 09 19:38:02 <ali1234> try pressing it
Dec 09 19:38:10 <ali1234> it will say "recovery partition not found" and then hang
Dec 09 19:38:17 <ali1234> or something like that
Dec 09 19:38:26 <ali1234> you have to turn off and hold it for 30 seconds or something
Dec 09 19:38:58 <msvb1> Hmm. Maybe worth testing.
Dec 09 19:39:08 <lcuk> i thought it was equiv of the thinkvantage button on older thinkpads
Dec 09 19:39:12 <msvb1> If it does turn out to be easy to manipulate, then it would be really nice to use.
Dec 09 19:39:38 <msvb1> …for example booting into single user mode.
Dec 09 19:39:49 <ali1234> lcuk: seems like it, yes
Dec 09 19:40:06 <lcuk> msvb1, ? how about actually finding a way to make it work as intended
Dec 09 19:40:09 <msvb1> What's 'thinkvantage'? I hate this kind of confusing marketing dialekt.
Dec 09 19:40:09 <lcuk> as a recovery
Dec 09 19:40:16 <lolloo> why do I have to be a linux pro to just program an app on meego on N900?
Dec 09 19:40:17 <lcuk> msvb1, learn to thinkpad
Dec 09 19:40:34 <lolloo> why isnt there compatibilty for windows!
Dec 09 19:40:53 <lcuk> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkVantage_Button
Dec 09 19:41:02 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: are you using the raw mailing list mboxes or the '.gz' ones for your mailing list metrics?
Dec 09 19:41:06 <msvb1> lcuk: I have it on my list (find a way to make it work as intended), but the ideapad is in use right now.
Dec 09 19:41:19 <lcuk> sure msvb1 i have one as well
Dec 09 19:41:32 <msvb1> lcuck: I'm going to wait a few hours until the kernels are finished building.
Dec 09 19:42:45 * sabotage blushes at lcuk's smiles
Dec 09 19:43:03 <msvb1> lcuk: What question are you answering (youre I have one as well?)
Dec 09 19:43:21 <lcuk> "whats thinkvantage" was your question
Dec 09 19:43:25 <msvb1> lcuk: Ah you mean you have a thinkpad as well?
Dec 09 19:43:31 <msvb1> lcuk: Okay.
Dec 09 19:43:33 <lcuk> i have multiple thinkpads
Dec 09 19:43:51 <lcuk> have a nice 12" x41 that was very first tablet prototype :)
Dec 09 19:43:58 <msvb1> lcuk: Put them next to each other and push their recovery buttons in order.
Dec 09 19:44:03 <lcuk> well, big one anyway ;)
Dec 09 19:44:05 <timoph> great. the ideapad's battery won't charge anymore :/
Dec 09 19:44:11 <lcuk> and a work x200s :)
Dec 09 19:44:17 <lcuk> timakima, oph take it out
Dec 09 19:44:21 <lcuk> reset bios
Dec 09 19:44:29 <lcuk> because your wifi and bt will be gone also
Dec 09 19:44:37 <lcuk> timoph, ^
Dec 09 19:44:50 <msvb1> Gotta go, its dinnertime. Chao.
Dec 09 19:44:51 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: not sure what mlstats uses, but I know there are some issues with the files, so I'm going to verify message counts & other data before reporting
Dec 09 19:45:02 <timoph> thanks, I'll try that
Dec 09 19:45:10 <lcuk> timoph, you actually have to remove battery tho
Dec 09 19:45:16 <mwichmann> timpoh: you tried reseating it?  pretty much all netbooks have trouble with contacts, cheaply made
Dec 09 19:45:18 <lcuk> it simply loses track of where its upto :S
Dec 09 19:45:21 <lcuk> and wont charge
Dec 09 19:45:39 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: k - just curious as i'm trying to sketch up a way to implement alice/meego@meego.com idea in practice and using existing infrastructure would be good :)
Dec 09 19:45:50 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: IRC stats in ~10 mins, btw
Dec 09 19:46:05 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: sweet, thanks!
Dec 09 19:46:37 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: I'd be curious if people are any more likely to use alice instead of the mailing lists
Dec 09 19:46:47 <kp> I have a local OBS setup and running. I am trying to build a meego kernel. I have made a project and added kernel sources. Now i need to select the distribution for which i have to built. Meaning I have to add repo. In obs there are are standard distros available but is there anythin specific like meego distro.
Dec 09 19:47:01 <lcuk> timoph, i did not know how to describe it in a bug report that wasnt strange or hand wavey
Dec 09 19:47:06 <kyb3R> Myrtti: ping
Dec 09 19:48:06 <Myrtti> kyb3R: pong
Dec 09 19:48:33 <RST38h> btw, how much disk space a local obs setup takes?
Dec 09 19:48:53 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i'm wondering that too as that observation could be useful in a lot of different projects
Dec 09 19:49:30 <timoph> I'll play with it in the morning and see if it still lives
Dec 09 19:50:11 <kp> RST38h: I have opensuse running I have 250GB space. But they say its good to have atleast 90GB
Dec 09 19:50:12 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.nov.html
Dec 09 19:50:21 <Stskeeps> lcuk: you're officially talking more than me
Dec 09 19:50:49 <lcuk> thats not difficult
Dec 09 19:50:52 <timoph> lcuk's a bot :)
Dec 09 19:51:27 <lcuk> I actually thought I had cut down on lines generated too ;)
Dec 09 19:52:13 <DawnFoster> seeing a few names I don't remember seeing on that list before the conference
Dec 09 19:52:23 <kp> I have a local OBS setup and running. I am trying to build a meego kernel. I have made a project and added kernel sources. Now i need to select the distribution for which i have to built. Meaning I have to add repo. In obs there are are standard distros available but is there anythin specific like meego distro
Dec 09 19:52:29 <DawnFoster> I see additional data gathering in my future :)
Dec 09 19:53:12 <abstract3d> alterego: ok thanks i will search for that after
Dec 09 19:53:24 <abstract3d> cu people in arround 2 hours later
Dec 09 19:56:43 <RST38h> kp: You mean OBS takes 90GB?
Dec 09 19:57:00 <Stskeeps> RST38h: ~5gb worth of binary packages for a release, afaik
Dec 09 19:57:08 <Stskeeps> RST38h: a chroot can easily take ~2gb
Dec 09 19:57:16 <Stskeeps> ie, a build job work space
Dec 09 19:57:18 <RST38h> 10GB then?
Dec 09 19:57:46 <Stskeeps> adjust your own parameters :P
Dec 09 19:59:41 <andregomes> Is it possible to create a customized meego madde target/toolchain?
Dec 09 20:00:16 <lcuk> with infinite keyboards and monkeys, anything is possible
Dec 09 20:00:23 <GAN900> Top 15?!
Dec 09 20:00:35 * GAN900 clearly doesn't talk that much.
Dec 09 20:01:13 <lcuk> GAN900, is your linecount low?
Dec 09 20:02:18 <GAN900> 500-something
Dec 09 20:02:21 <GAN900> Too high
Dec 09 20:08:59 <kp> I don't have Meego trunk in my local obs. how can i add it?
Dec 09 20:31:19 <alterego> Heh,
Dec 09 20:32:46 <Stskeeps> mm?
Dec 09 20:34:40 <haro> I am trying to add link from the existing package to my OBS Project [ refered : http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/WebUI_part_2 ], But I was not able to create link from the existing package, throws "Unable to find package 'bash' in project 'MeeGo:1.0:Core'" error ... can someone help me  to figure out the correct package name.
Dec 09 20:44:23 <haro> I am trying to add link from the existing package to my OBS Project [ refered : http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/WebUI_part_2  ], But I was not able to create link from the existing package, throws "Unable to find package 'bash' in project 'MeeGo:1.0:Core'" error ... can someone help me  to figure out the correct package name.
Dec 09 20:44:52 <Stskeeps> no need to repeat, but consider http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS
Dec 09 20:48:43 <haro> Stskeeps: thank you very much ...
Dec 09 21:26:45 <niala> :j #qt-fr
Dec 09 21:52:27 <dm8tbr> hmm, out of curiosity, how hard would it be to take MeeGo and rebuild it without the SSSE2 flag? is that likely to break major things?
Dec 09 21:52:57 <Stskeeps> ssse3
Dec 09 21:53:03 <dm8tbr> err, sorry
Dec 09 21:53:06 <dm8tbr> it's getting late
Dec 09 21:53:43 <dm8tbr> I know I'd need quite some CPU-power and time. I'm just looking at it as something that might be nice to see how to handle such loads.
Dec 09 21:53:55 <dm8tbr> Add/remove some workers on the way etc.
Dec 09 21:54:37 <dm8tbr> side-effect would be that I'd have a snapshot that could be installed on 'older' hardware
Dec 09 21:54:42 <Stskeeps> i guess theoretically you can do the same like we did hardfp, build the base set of packages
Dec 09 21:54:52 <Stskeeps> and then build rest using that set
Dec 09 21:55:53 <dm8tbr> ok, is the boot-strap process documented somewhere?
Dec 09 21:56:27 <Stskeeps> no, but i can get you a list of packages :P
Dec 09 21:56:39 <dm8tbr> I guess that would help ;)
Dec 09 21:57:05 <Stskeeps> but now i should sleep
Dec 09 21:57:16 <dm8tbr> btw: taking it one step further, would it be theoretically possible to make that obs instance stay in sync with public meego?
Dec 09 21:57:51 <dm8tbr> so it would pull in changed sources and rebuild as necessary
Dec 09 21:58:07 <dm8tbr> ok, gn8 Stskeeps, thanks for the direction :)
Dec 09 22:08:56 <lbt> dm8tbr: we're planning on doing that on the community OBS
Dec 09 22:09:13 <lbt> there are some minor issues ... like meego isn't actually rebuildable
Dec 09 22:09:31 <lbt> due to very strange version number handling
Dec 09 22:20:10 <kp> lNedd an access to community OBS
Dec 09 22:20:16 <kp> Need*
Dec 09 22:20:26 <andre__> "access" like what?
Dec 09 22:20:29 <andre__> and why?
Dec 09 22:20:43 <kp> for creating my own project
Dec 09 22:21:11 <kp> to build meego sources
Dec 09 22:22:38 <kp> lbt: I need an access to community OBS for setting up opensource project for meego.
Dec 09 22:22:50 <lbt> sure
Dec 09 22:23:08 <lbt> "to build meego sources"  ??
Dec 09 22:23:27 <kp> yes
Dec 09 22:23:29 <lbt> do you want to write/port apps to meego?
Dec 09 22:23:34 <lbt> or rebuild all of meego ?
Dec 09 22:24:00 <kp> I want to write apps for meego, and at some point rebuild all of meego too..
Dec 09 22:24:09 <lbt> writing apps is fine
Dec 09 22:24:31 <lbt> rebuilding it all .. also fine provided you're doing it with an organised group of meego users
Dec 09 22:24:45 <kp> yes
Dec 09 22:24:50 <lbt> we simply don't have the build power to let random people rebuild it all :)
Dec 09 22:25:47 <lbt> OK np then - what is your meego account ?
Dec 09 22:25:47 <CosmoHill> one assignment is done :D
Dec 09 22:25:54 <kp> whst if I want to build all meego w/o organised group?
Dec 09 22:26:10 <lbt> "please don't do that on the community OBS"
Dec 09 22:26:16 <kp> my meego account is : kaushikprajapati
Dec 09 22:26:20 <lbt> it's a shared resource
Dec 09 22:26:24 <kp> I got it
Dec 09 22:26:26 <kp> roger that
Dec 09 22:26:32 <lbt> thank you :)
Dec 09 22:26:40 <lbt> done
Dec 09 22:26:48 <kp> thanks
Dec 09 22:27:11 <lbt> incidentally, what would you be trying to achieve in rebuilding it all ?
Dec 09 22:27:21 <lbt> different CPU I assume
Dec 09 22:29:45 <kp> yes
Dec 09 22:29:57 <kp> I am trying to achieve different CPU
Dec 09 22:30:04 <kp> lbt: not able to login
Dec 09 22:31:05 <lbt> when did you create your account ?
Dec 09 22:32:10 <kp> longback ... may be a month ago
Dec 09 22:32:23 <lbt> what url ?
Dec 09 22:33:14 <kp> meego.com/users/kaushikprajapati
Dec 09 22:33:34 <lbt> where are you failing to login ?
Dec 09 22:33:49 <kp> build.meego.com
Dec 09 22:34:16 <lbt> build.pub.meego.com
Dec 09 22:35:06 <kp> failing on that too
Dec 09 22:36:53 <lbt> mmm
Dec 09 22:36:57 <kp> lbt: failing on "build.pub.meego.com" this as well
Dec 09 22:37:57 <lbt> you're in ldap and enabled .... check your pw
Dec 09 22:38:24 <kp> i am able to login with same pwd on meego.com site
Dec 09 22:38:48 <lbt> when did you last change your pw ?
Dec 09 22:38:58 <kp> today
Dec 09 22:38:59 <lbt> it may not have sync'ed
Dec 09 22:39:03 <lbt> it won't have
Dec 09 22:39:09 <lbt> sorry
Dec 09 22:39:32 <kp> when will it sync then ? any idea?
Dec 09 22:39:43 <niala> lbt: hello, how to have a list of all rpm already made on public obs ? an url maybe?
Dec 09 22:40:27 <lbt> kp: I've asked the guy to do it ... but he appears to be busy
Dec 09 22:40:40 <kp> ok..thanks
Dec 09 22:41:21 <lbt> niala: http://repo.pub.meego.com/ ....
Dec 09 22:41:28 <kp> Any idea on how to add meego trunk/repository to local OBS??
Dec 09 22:41:51 <niala> I suppose that we can't add mp3 and other stuff like that because fo license ?
Dec 09 22:42:16 <lbt> :D
Dec 09 22:42:37 <lbt> as it happens....
Dec 09 22:42:52 <lbt> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002827.html
Dec 09 22:43:27 <lbt> so  I suggest you reply to that email and ask how to raise this issue
Dec 09 22:43:41 <lbt> the rule is "don't do anything illegal"
Dec 09 22:43:55 <lbt> of course defining "illegal" is really hard
Dec 09 22:45:47 <ptl> if the rule was 'do illegal things' it would be like 'the rule is to break the rule', isn't it?
Dec 09 22:46:44 <lbt> luckily for my tired brain, that's not the rule
Dec 09 22:50:41 <niala> if we make a rpm from mplayer with all codecs included in, maybe they do not see
Dec 09 22:50:51 <niala> :-/
Dec 09 22:51:27 <berndhs> yeah and then we tell them in a public, archived channel :)
Dec 09 22:51:45 <niala> :)
Dec 09 22:54:54 <niala> mp3 incredible history... who remembers Napster ?
Dec 09 22:55:01 <lbt> I'm not sure how big a deal it is for players
Dec 09 22:55:18 <lbt> but that ml thread is the place to start
Dec 09 23:00:54 <timeless_mbp> niala: i do
Dec 09 23:01:01 * timeless_mbp also remembers before PNG
Dec 09 23:45:56 <sivang> timeless_mbp: me too
Dec 09 23:47:16 * sivang args at how hard itis to get help from django people on #django
Dec 10 01:47:29 <hlzxy> anybody know about setting up obs-server
Dec 10 02:20:34 * CosmoHill is still up
Dec 10 02:21:44 <niala> CosmoHill: hello or morning?
Dec 10 02:22:35 <CosmoHill> plop niala
Dec 10 02:37:18 <sivang> CosmoHill: so am i
Dec 10 02:37:30 <sivang> CosmoHill: hitting bed now though, almost morning here
Dec 10 02:54:26 <kaushik> hi
Dec 10 02:54:28 <kaushik> all
Dec 10 02:54:41 <kaushik> i m trying to do sudo mic-chroot <image>
Dec 10 02:54:53 <kaushik> and i dnt have rpmbuild command in it
Dec 10 02:54:56 <kaushik> any idea?
Dec 10 02:56:18 <Termana> morning
Dec 10 02:58:27 <kaushik> anyone has any idea how to do rpmbuild in ch-root?
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