**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 11 02:59:57 2010 Dec 11 03:08:05 why does mic-image-creator try to turn off SELinux and does not attempt to warn anyone? Dec 11 03:08:11 this is really scary... Dec 11 03:24:00 last time it used to warn Dec 11 03:29:38 what does /bin/arch say on a N900 ? Dec 11 03:31:41 -sh: /bin/arch: not found; uname -a; Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Dec 11 03:31:55 ^^ Maemo5 PR1.3 Dec 11 03:32:22 so I have to grep tyhrough uname -a to see if I'm running on arm Dec 11 03:32:54 uname -m; uname -m Dec 11 03:33:01 uname -m; armv7l Dec 11 03:33:11 yes shorter Dec 11 03:42:56 beford: it stopped. and worse it disables it across reboots. Dec 11 03:43:30 I'd file a bug Dec 11 03:44:27 A warning and an option to automatically disable it (informing the user) should be enough, but auto disabling is a no for me Dec 11 03:45:07 beford: I have some issues with account creation, but that might be the network of the hotel (meego.com sometimes resolves to 0.0.0.1...) Dec 11 03:48:01 weird, I will check mic code to see if its disabling it, and will file it for you Dec 11 03:49:15 beford: it calls setenforce in multiple places Dec 11 04:05:18 zecke, yea I am seeing, it's calling them without asking anything, going to file it Dec 11 04:16:56 yay all my packages built on arm Dec 11 04:17:23 whether they do anything useful... Dec 11 04:44:14 zecke, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 Dec 11 04:44:17 Bug 11182 nor, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, MIC should not disable SELinux without asking user consent Dec 11 05:13:45 beford: thanks Dec 11 05:21:51 hola Dec 11 05:22:16 hop Dec 11 05:24:08 hi. i should be able to take osmething like this http://www.merimobiles.com/Wpad_Win7_10_1_Capacitive_Multitouch_Skype_Video_p/meri0530.htm and install meego straight onto it yeah? what about hardware support. i see it has the right graphics/cpu but what about the rest? Dec 11 05:24:46 is there a similar tablet anyone can recommend i purchase? Dec 11 05:26:26 as for me testing. wiill this guide work with 1.1? Dec 11 05:26:26 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Dec 11 05:26:50 i have had problems booting moblin for example. in virtualbox Dec 11 05:28:56 whats better for a tablet anyway. meego netbook on meego handset Dec 11 05:34:30 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Dec 11 06:05:09 I would like to help you sgk, but I dont know anything about what you said. Dec 11 06:05:23 maybe other guys wil help you. Dec 11 06:05:44 Meego'ers are awesome guys. Dec 11 08:12:44 I still cant use U-boot with latest MeeGo image Dec 11 08:12:53 this image am using now Dec 11 08:13:12 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/ Dec 11 08:13:54 is flashing my phone alot causes problems? Dec 11 08:14:26 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ should work with it Dec 11 08:15:33 so it should? or I should try and report back? Dec 11 08:15:56 ok seems the same one but I will download Dec 11 08:22:39 has uboot made it out of tools testing trunk and into the handset images? Dec 11 08:25:32 yes Dec 11 08:31:44 lolloo: there is a status page for the n900 support for that latest image? Dec 11 08:41:34 * npm updates https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790#c6 with latest observation Dec 11 08:41:38 Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot Dec 11 08:42:50 [00:24] yes <--- O RLY?! Dec 11 08:43:53 morning Dec 11 08:47:03 uh reading about meego bugs on the saturday when having a first cup of coffee Dec 11 08:47:17 maybe i don't follow this channel during the weekend Dec 11 08:50:05 * Jay_BEE downloads a handset image to try out Dec 11 09:07:04 Hello Dec 11 09:07:13 Is anyone online? Dec 11 09:07:27 no Dec 11 09:07:32 maybe Dec 11 09:07:41 no, you are the last one on whole world:) Dec 11 09:07:58 :D Dec 11 09:08:04 we are just bots Dec 11 09:09:02 ok, well i have a opportunity for those that want to participate. I would like to port meego to the infotmic 210 soc. Dec 11 09:09:37 early saturday morning, prime pre-xmas party time of the years... you won't find many people awake yet, I think ;) Dec 11 09:10:06 depends where you live. Dec 11 09:10:14 ps2chiper, ARM11? you'll need to recompile for ARMv5TE / EABI I guess Dec 11 09:10:56 they actually bundled in pre built gpu drivers Dec 11 09:11:01 so its even more work than that Dec 11 09:11:28 is there support in the linux kernel for it? Dec 11 09:11:40 (not the GPU, but the SoC in general) Dec 11 09:11:52 similar platform to those nokia nxx/exx symbian powered devices minus the signed bootloader I suppose Dec 11 09:12:00 they got their chinese patches in it Dec 11 09:12:07 its all closed source stuff Dec 11 09:12:17 i cant even open it up until the product is ready for sale Dec 11 09:12:48 I have the bootloader source code Dec 11 09:13:23 they basically have a hacked togheter android 2.1 using the 2.6.32.9 kernel with prebuilt gpu drivers Dec 11 09:13:23 "their chinese patches"? That sounds rather unnecessarily racist to me Dec 11 09:13:47 they are patches made by chinese people that are kept out of the kernel Dec 11 09:13:50 what do you call that Dec 11 09:14:04 non-mainline patches Dec 11 09:14:06 non-upstreamed Dec 11 09:14:18 I certainly don't call them "chinese" Dec 11 09:14:40 ok, who here is chinese? Dec 11 09:14:43 unless maybe they were written in a Chinese variant of C :) Dec 11 09:15:21 Kernig-Han & Rit Che Dec 11 09:15:22 racism free meego! Dec 11 09:15:40 ok, so let them speak for that Dec 11 09:15:46 sorry, couldn't resist Dec 11 09:15:47 ps2chiper, there are plenty of people here in China. For example some of the people in the QA team are from China Dec 11 09:16:09 So, where do you think I am from? Dec 11 09:16:36 the country of webchat Dec 11 09:16:37 Termana, true Dec 11 09:16:42 that's what XChat tells me at least Dec 11 09:16:53 close enough Dec 11 09:17:09 ps2chiper, I don't know. I don't care what country people are from, I include and don't discriminate against people of other countries Dec 11 09:17:49 well then you dont understand the cultural differences from closed source patches in china, made by non linux programmers Dec 11 09:17:59 of course we need to pay attention to cultural differenses, but that'a all Dec 11 09:18:27 and i didn't mean work culture by that Dec 11 09:18:34 ps2chiper, anyways, do you have this patched up linux booting on hardware? Dec 11 09:18:44 about loosing your face etc... Dec 11 09:18:57 I got the developers kit from infotmic by signing a nda Dec 11 09:19:52 ps2chiper, sooo, does that mean that to get this really going you essentially need someone to cleanroom it? Dec 11 09:21:10 well their are alot difficulties. number one I never played with meego. I just read about it. number two. i need to find people that can keep secrets until the time is right to release it Dec 11 09:21:33 and also i dont have any real documentation on the gpu Dec 11 09:21:47 they didnt really mention anything in the datasheet Dec 11 09:22:11 so their is that. i think it wont be able to be ported to a newer kernel without serious hacks Dec 11 09:22:18 errr, I don't think anyone here will volunteer to hear stuff that's under NDA Dec 11 09:22:39 no. just the code cant be released until the product is ready for sale Dec 11 09:23:38 unless you guys wanted to port meego to other products that are already using this chips so infotmic doesnt think it was me that released the code Dec 11 09:23:53 like the zt-180 Dec 11 09:24:13 well, I don't think many people here (at this hour at least) speak for meego as a whole Dec 11 09:24:24 I'm just hacking it on to a device in my spare time Dec 11 09:25:05 well, there are very few linux programmers in china. so outsourcing the work to other countries is required Dec 11 09:26:09 WOOOT!!! http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ image is up and running!!!! YES!!!!! Dec 11 09:26:33 what do I do now? Dec 11 09:28:16 I can promiss one thing to the people that are serious about it. Free samples Dec 11 09:28:37 performance is cool with this class 10 card i'm using Dec 11 09:29:51 ps2chiper, I would post on the mailing list as well. you might get the attention of people who aren't on IRC right now Dec 11 09:29:58 Jay_BEE: Working ok then? Cool Dec 11 09:30:37 I will do that later. I was trying to get a feel for what details i should mention on the post Dec 11 09:31:06 lardman: yes! Dec 11 09:31:40 what's app startup time like? Dec 11 09:32:05 fairly quick to me Dec 11 09:32:12 cool Dec 11 09:32:19 * lardman tries to find the weekly build page Dec 11 09:32:28 initial boot took a while but that's expected because it needed to generate the ssh keys Dec 11 09:32:30 I guess you had to use flasher to get the kernel over? Dec 11 09:33:50 someone should set dneary on the wiki Dec 11 09:33:51 no, i just wrote the image to my sd card, popped it in, turned on my n900 and i was in... granted i have a uboot-enabled kernel already setup Dec 11 09:34:03 ah good stuff Dec 11 09:34:28 * Jay_BEE connects to his wifi and fires up fennec Dec 11 09:34:40 ps2chiper, mention free hardware. mention what's already done. mention what info is available now and what will be available later Dec 11 09:34:49 Jay_BEE: do you have a link to the weekly build page, I can't find anything in this damn wiki? Dec 11 09:35:00 looking Dec 11 09:35:15 Thank you john Dec 11 09:35:19 or wherever you grabbed your image from Dec 11 09:36:31 [00:13] http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ should work with it Dec 11 09:36:54 thanks :) Dec 11 09:37:16 aww yeah... fennec is up and running... pure win here Dec 11 09:38:42 and to confirm, the bz2 image contains a kernel too, so it works with u-boot? Dec 11 09:38:44 I can say the core is ARM1136JFS if that helps Dec 11 09:38:44 * Jay_BEE opens up bugs.meego.com to see what issues are already reported Dec 11 09:39:23 * lardman goes to see if there's a version of uboot for his patched kernel Dec 11 09:39:36 i'm running kernel power 45 Dec 11 09:39:54 ah, I need to check my version, did they add uboot back in? Dec 11 09:40:02 I think my version had it removed for some reason Dec 11 09:40:23 uboot was removed from 46 Dec 11 09:40:50 ah, that sounds familiar Dec 11 09:43:21 I hate HAM, start fapman to look for uboot, connect to the interweb and bloody HAM decides it wants to lock the package db Dec 11 09:43:59 yeah... ham bites Dec 11 09:44:49 ok fennec has appeared to lock me out... hmm Dec 11 09:47:28 this is bug 9074 Dec 11 09:47:31 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9074 maj, Medium, ---, roger.wang, NEW, [1.2 Testing] Sometimes unable to use home button, close button and address bar in fennec. Dec 11 09:53:34 * Jay_BEE updates said bug Dec 11 09:58:55 * Jay_BEE reboots into maemo5 Dec 11 10:14:11 thanks Stskeeps! Dec 11 10:25:39 hmm, is dd: opening `/dev/sdd': No medium found or similar a known issue? Dec 11 10:25:55 trying to dd the Meego image that is Dec 11 10:26:28 * Jay_BEE slaps HAM Dec 11 10:26:40 * lardman lends a fist Dec 11 10:26:45 thx Dec 11 10:29:22 hmm curious, might have to boot windows to flash the Meego image, quite ironic really :) Dec 11 10:29:44 hehe Dec 11 10:30:10 sadly, windows is what i'm running Dec 11 10:30:22 don't tell anyone! Dec 11 10:30:43 :) Dec 11 10:31:33 right, well I downgraded my power kernel to v45, so I'm part way there Dec 11 10:31:41 woo hoo Dec 11 10:32:54 bbiam after rebooting Dec 11 10:41:10 hmm, well win32 disk imager is doing its job Dec 11 10:41:33 is that a windows equiv of dd ? Dec 11 10:41:42 yeah Dec 11 10:41:49 cool, must remember that one Dec 11 10:41:59 * slaine knows nothing about windows Dec 11 10:42:02 it's linked from the N900 image installation page Dec 11 10:42:11 cool Dec 11 10:42:17 * lardman uses Windows at work Dec 11 10:42:18 still haven't managed to get my microSD Dec 11 10:42:55 Strange that error reported, looks like lots of people see it with flash drives, but I couldn't see a workaround in my quick look Dec 11 10:51:30 cool, all worked and Meego now booting Dec 11 10:52:10 actually that was a pretty quick first boot Dec 11 10:52:20 what type of microSD do you have ? Dec 11 10:52:25 type 4 Dec 11 10:52:29 Hmmm Dec 11 10:52:31 I spoke too soon Dec 11 10:52:32 :) Dec 11 10:52:38 I've been hunging for a class 6 Dec 11 10:52:43 hunting Dec 11 10:53:05 I thought the ssh keys would be the killer, but it takes ages once the UI comes up with a strange indication in the middle of the screen Dec 11 10:53:13 No retail shops seem to sell them around here Dec 11 10:53:23 slaine: they get rather expensive quite quickly Dec 11 10:53:45 ah the indication is a mouse cursor Dec 11 10:53:46 lardman: yeah, there's been no optimization of the startup yet, apps take for ever too Dec 11 10:54:07 Jay_BEE reckoned the app startup was improved Dec 11 10:55:08 well some apps... fennec took a while to startup and it seems there is a nasty bug which may prevent it from closing Dec 11 10:56:13 I recall someone saying that there's no preload/boost stuff in place yet Dec 11 10:56:36 of course, til I actually get a microSD I can't really say :) Dec 11 10:57:21 hmm, takes a while for the UI to become responsive Dec 11 10:57:53 lardman, it needs a proper SGX driver Dec 11 10:57:59 my patriot 8gb class 10 microSDHC card was $24 at frys Dec 11 10:58:05 oh, I thought it did have SGX Dec 11 10:58:19 Jay_BEE: damn you Americans and your cheap stuff! ;) Dec 11 10:58:23 not with proper acceleration Dec 11 10:58:28 hehe sorry lardman Dec 11 10:58:32 lardman, see thp's video Dec 11 10:58:44 not sure if the driver works post 1.0.99 Dec 11 10:59:40 it's on my list for next week Dec 11 10:59:52 oh, so it;s not working in this image? Dec 11 11:00:01 SGX's working but it's ancient drivers Dec 11 11:00:06 k Dec 11 11:00:28 dunno if it's my card, but the ui is completely unresponsive Dec 11 11:00:45 Jay_BEE: that's a good price alright, I can get a Class6 for about €22 Dec 11 11:01:04 morning Stskeeps Dec 11 11:01:12 [02:59] it's on my list for next week <--- awesome Dec 11 11:01:49 how strange, some ui elements work, but others dont Dec 11 11:02:22 * lardman looks for a way to escape from the Contact detail view Dec 11 11:02:51 looks like a battery out job :( Dec 11 11:03:18 ah, ctrl-q Dec 11 11:03:27 [03:00] Jay_BEE: that's a good price alright, I can get a Class6 for about €22 <--- ouch Dec 11 11:03:49 [03:02] looks like a battery out job :( <--- that's how I got out of fennec :) Dec 11 11:04:05 1.2's always fun Dec 11 11:04:29 calendar is borken apparently Dec 11 11:04:41 I should check the bug reports Dec 11 11:04:48 I did not notice any keyboard backlight when I was using the keyboard... is this known issue? Dec 11 11:05:04 file a bug Dec 11 11:05:10 ok Dec 11 11:05:38 pm still not implemented, I can feel my hands getting warm :) Dec 11 11:06:02 is it implemented upstream yet Stskeeps ? Dec 11 11:06:24 PM? Dec 11 11:06:28 yeah Dec 11 11:06:30 i didn't notice my device get warm during my usage Dec 11 11:06:41 slaine: yes, but we need to test it better on n900 Dec 11 11:06:45 we might have to go to .37 kernel Dec 11 11:06:57 nod Dec 11 11:07:03 slaine: it'll be bloody hard to get it 'as good' as n900 though Dec 11 11:07:05 er, maemo Dec 11 11:07:14 sure Dec 11 11:07:22 I assume the drivers for maemo can't be opened ? Dec 11 11:07:30 slaine: they're open except they're for .28 and not upstreamed Dec 11 11:07:49 no closed kernel drivers in n900 kernel Dec 11 11:07:51 so, did the omap guys write a whole new pm module ? Dec 11 11:08:22 strange that the good and working .28 module could couldn't be ported up with subsequent kernels. Dec 11 11:08:35 * slaine needs more coffee Dec 11 11:08:50 slaine: well, it's not really a module, it's more of an architecture kind of thing :) Dec 11 11:09:25 * slaine doesn't know enough about arm dev yet Dec 11 11:09:45 * lardman downloads kernel sources to have a look Dec 11 11:09:52 basically 'not trivial' since there's no stable kernel api ;) Dec 11 11:09:57 but there's work ongoing Dec 11 11:11:01 things have been ongoing in linux-omap-pm, which isn't mainline Dec 11 11:11:27 is there a requirement that the kernel not have patches? Dec 11 11:11:44 lardman: no, but upstream first philosophy Dec 11 11:11:50 ie, upstream first, then you can patch Dec 11 11:11:53 that's fair enough Dec 11 11:11:55 hello, please I search wiki help for setup handset on lenovo. Dec 11 11:13:28 bbl Dec 11 11:13:35 cheers Stskeeps Dec 11 11:14:23 * lardman has to go too, cu all later on Dec 11 11:15:51 niala, there was a wiki Dec 11 11:15:57 entry Dec 11 11:16:07 I find it hard searching the wiki too Dec 11 11:17:11 slaine: yes sure, i use it last night, but search on wiki is not very friendly... search lenovo, stskeeps, etc :) Dec 11 11:17:38 look for sabotage Dec 11 11:17:41 he created it Dec 11 11:18:12 Ah, found it, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Dec 11 11:18:51 thank you slaine you're rightit was "sabotage lenovo" :) Dec 11 11:19:34 sabotage is on the intel handset team Dec 11 11:20:02 I think they've been using the lenovo's as test hardware prior to the meegoconf (just my impression) Dec 11 11:20:39 usually it's stskeeps whos make wiki. Dec 11 11:26:44 in my opinion ivi is better on netbook than handset Dec 11 11:27:27 hello? anyone have an idea when/if Fedora 14 will be supported in the SDK really soon? Dec 11 11:40:37 Jucato: it's being worked on as far as I know. No idea when it'll be ready though Dec 11 11:41:01 goodie thanks :) Dec 11 11:48:50 to bed I go.. zzz Dec 11 12:29:01 any idea why a device may not appear on linux /meego under lsusb but it appears on windows (same machine)? Dec 11 12:47:21 beford: I'd assume drivers, but I'd seek a second opinion Dec 11 12:48:02 does meego (netbook) use gdm/kdm, or it's own login? Trying to get fingerprint login Dec 11 12:56:26 magius_pendragon: There's neither gdm nor kdm in the 1.1 netbook image, so unless somebody has renamed the binary then it's safe to assume that MeeGo has its own login daemon. Dec 11 12:56:36 msvb: thanks Dec 11 12:56:57 magius_pendragon: …and this would interest me as well, because I'd like to get the login working with a smartcard authentication layer. Dec 11 12:56:57 regardless if it can be used or not it still should be listed :/ I think so Dec 11 12:57:10 magius_pendragon: ... Probably over pam or something like that. Dec 11 12:57:16 msvb: yup, I'm poking around pam now Dec 11 12:57:28 beford: if the driver isn't present, the system doesn't know what it is. Dec 11 12:58:10 cool, n900 image building Dec 11 12:59:24 magius_pendragon: Tell us what you find regarding MeeGo login and pam authentication. Hopefully developers have not strayed too far from standards here. Dec 11 12:59:42 msvb: will do. Do you know if there's a way to list the files installed by a rpm? Dec 11 13:00:12 magius_pendragon: rpm -ql (installed), or rpm -qpl (in the package) Dec 11 13:02:22 magius_pendragon: Try this as well (nice trick), rpm -qf /lib/libpam.so* Dec 11 13:04:01 msvb: thanks Dec 11 13:05:15 magius_pendragon: Just tried # lsof | grep libpam, and it seems that MeeGo uses uxlaunch(1) for authentication, maybe login as well? Dec 11 13:05:38 magius_pendragon: At least we know that pam(8) is available. Dec 11 13:06:22 Stupid smily was not intended, I meant pam ( 8 ). Dec 11 13:06:37 hi. is it possible to install meego on nokia n900's internal storage, instead of maemo (i.e., I don't mind losing all data)? Dec 11 13:08:29 beford: you're correct, if it's on the usb bus it should still be listed under lsusb Dec 11 13:11:04 slaine: Do you know who's been working on meego login (whatever is the [g|k]dm(1) equivalent) or pam( 8 )? We're trying to use different authentication methods with the netbook image. Dec 11 13:11:38 msvb, There is no login manager per se at the moment Dec 11 13:12:53 …but what exactly is asking for a password at bootup then, uxlaunch ( 8 ) ? Dec 11 13:12:55 on the Netook install, uxlauncher handles changing the user to the one setup during install (detailed in /etc/sysconfig/uxlauncher iirc) and it starts X with the appropriate session details to start the mutter window manager with plugins for the toolbar and panels Dec 11 13:13:10 msvb, I've never seen a password request at launch Dec 11 13:13:20 … I mean if the system is configured to require a password of course. Dec 11 13:13:31 Can you do that atm ? Dec 11 13:13:47 I know you're asked to login when resuming from a sleep Dec 11 13:14:01 msvb: so the problem I'm having is some unknown error when enrolling fprint Dec 11 13:14:07 slaine: Go to the configuration panel, and select 'security'. Dec 11 13:14:09 iirc, that's just the XScreensaver dialog. Well, it used to be at least Dec 11 13:14:18 slaine: There you can require that a password be used to login. Dec 11 13:14:31 it'll be uxlauncher then Dec 11 13:14:47 That's my guess too. Dec 11 13:15:54 magius_pendragon: Don't get it, what do you mean fprint(3) ? Dec 11 13:16:06 msvb: fprintd-enroll Dec 11 13:16:12 msvb: from the fprintd package Dec 11 13:16:45 magius_pendragon: Ah, you're talking about finger print auth. Dec 11 13:16:59 msvb: yeah, was that unclear? sorry Dec 11 13:17:29 msvb, I'm not seeing what you're talking about Dec 11 13:17:35 magius_pendragon: In which repository are the RPMs for fingerprint authentication, the official core or netbook repo? Dec 11 13:18:14 msvb: Repository: @System..? Dec 11 13:18:22 slaine: What Magius and I are talking about are authentication methods to access MeeGo netbook, for example, password entry, fingerprint, smartcard... Dec 11 13:18:33 i understand that Dec 11 13:19:00 What I'm not seeing is your security setting that asks for a login on power up Dec 11 13:19:10 inless thats in the trunk packages Dec 11 13:19:16 I'm still using 1.1 Dec 11 13:19:37 slaine: I'm using a 1.1 image too Dec 11 13:20:17 magius_pendragon: Oh, I see. The fingerprint auth stuff is in the netbook image itself. Didn't know that. Dec 11 13:20:43 msvb: no, fprintd is in the repository, but the setting slaine's looking for is in the 1.1 netbook image Dec 11 13:21:24 slaine: Well I can only be marginally specific, because the strings on my screen are German. Look in the application panel then 'Einstellungen' then 'Sicherheit und Passwoerter.' Dec 11 13:21:37 Yeah, I'm there Dec 11 13:21:43 slaine: It probably translates to 'Configuration' then 'Security and Passwords.' Dec 11 13:22:10 And there's a switch which does say "Require a password to turn on or wake up my computer" Dec 11 13:22:10 slaine: If you then select 'Require a password…' then you'll see a password entry dialog at each boot up. Dec 11 13:22:19 And then there's a change password setting Dec 11 13:22:24 slaine: it's a little 0-1 slider Dec 11 13:22:29 But that text isn't accurate Dec 11 13:22:31 hey, any idea where should I put xinput to run with my calibration data? it has to be after X has started .. but not sure where it can go Dec 11 13:22:42 slaine: It's the switch that turns on password authentication. Dec 11 13:22:52 Not quiet Dec 11 13:23:02 it enables xscreensaver to ask for your password Dec 11 13:23:03 slaine: then what? Dec 11 13:23:11 slaine: it also asks me for pwd at login Dec 11 13:23:20 But powering up your laptop should just autologin Dec 11 13:23:36 at least, for me, I've that switch set but it still just autologs in on reboot Dec 11 13:24:14 if I close the lid and it sleeps and then I resume it by opening the lid, I then get a password prompt Dec 11 13:24:21 but not on power up/reboot Dec 11 13:24:55 slaine: That's a little strange. Are you saying that you in your /etc/shadow file you have a password for your user, and when you activate this 'Require password' switch that you are still not asked for a password at login= Dec 11 13:25:01 ? Dec 11 13:25:08 yes Dec 11 13:25:27 Interesting. Dec 11 13:26:07 slaine: But you do understand why password authenticated logins is a useful concept for computers in general, right? Dec 11 13:26:54 lol, of course Dec 11 13:27:01 it's possible this is a known bug Dec 11 13:27:13 Moblin never had user login on first boot Dec 11 13:27:27 the login to resume was added via XScreensaver Dec 11 13:27:43 mine's never not asked for a pwd Dec 11 13:27:51 slaine: Okay, glad to know that I'm not going crazy. Dec 11 13:27:52 on fresh power up ? Dec 11 13:28:05 magius_pendragon that question is for you Dec 11 13:28:26 slaine: yup, out of the box Dec 11 13:28:31 I think it would be pretty nifty for a mobile device with a MeeGo OS to be able to use smartcard authentication. Dec 11 13:29:09 It would open up a few nice possibilities and make common use cases possible. Dec 11 13:29:40 slaine: Fresh power up, yes mee too (I don't see the bug.) Dec 11 13:30:08 msvb, magius_pendragon so to be clear, cold power up, you're asked for a login to start the meego session Dec 11 13:30:42 slaine: Yes that's right, and if you give the wrong password it behaves appropriately. Dec 11 13:30:57 ok, there's a bug there Dec 11 13:31:10 That little switch is on by default Dec 11 13:31:12 slaine: …electroshock on the touchscreen. Dec 11 13:31:31 And I only got asked for a login when I resumed from sleep Dec 11 13:32:07 Why do I get :: error: [gen_peopleitemmodeldata.cpp] Error 127 when trying to compile meego-handset-dialer? Dec 11 13:32:10 I disabled it, went somewhere else in the config and then went back and renabled it. Powered off and then Powered on again and now I'm asked for a password before I start the session Dec 11 13:32:16 msvb: electroshock on touchscreen? Dec 11 13:32:44 magius_pendragon: …if you enter the wrong password. It's a joke. Dec 11 13:32:49 msvb: gotcha Dec 11 13:33:17 msvb, magius_pendragon If you switch to tty1 you'll see that I was right, it's gnome-screensaver-dialog that's asking for the password Dec 11 13:33:38 slaine: That's good, I guess it's working then. But not a great feeling that you have to experiment with the settings for a while. Dec 11 13:33:52 I'll log a bug Dec 11 13:34:29 slaine: Ah, so meego is simply starting the X11 session with the screensaver enabled (in the case that the 'Require password' switch is turned on?) Dec 11 13:34:44 yes Dec 11 13:34:50 slaine: Quite a strange way to handle login authentication, but okay. Dec 11 13:35:19 Basically, the startup process launches uxlaunch as root Dec 11 13:35:51 it forks the process and execs as the user in the config file /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch Dec 11 13:36:14 slaine: Wonder if there's a way to wedge a process between the X11 session and screensaver at bootup. If no, then the screensaver security model is valid. Dec 11 13:36:29 The user process for uxlaunch then starts Xorg server and the mutter window manager with the meego panel plugins Dec 11 13:36:58 msvb, that as asked a few times on moblin lists iirc Dec 11 13:37:08 can't recall if anyone managed to change it Dec 11 13:37:28 There's a few things you could do though Dec 11 13:37:51 slaine: Do you think its uxlaunch(1) or the Xorg server which directly starts the gnome-screensaver? Dec 11 13:38:06 Xorg server doesn't start anything Dec 11 13:38:09 pstree might tell you, not on a netbook atm Dec 11 13:38:20 uxlaunch starts a meego session Dec 11 13:38:28 which is detailed under /etc/ somehwere Dec 11 13:38:58 off for lunch, bbl Dec 11 13:39:08 patrakov: But whatever is in $HOME/.xsession will be started by Xorg server I think. Dec 11 13:39:23 msvb: not by Xorg server, but by xinit or startx Dec 11 13:39:29 slaine: See you, bonne appetit. Dec 11 13:39:54 patrakov: Okay, that sounds correct (xinit I mean.) Dec 11 13:42:04 It would be very nice to figure out this flow of execution and maybe provide a package (login-proxy-blabla?) that acts like gdm/kdm without requiring a ton of libraries. Dec 11 13:42:35 …could even be a proof of concept with no UI, but linkage to the pam( 8 ) libraries. Dec 11 13:43:34 Surely something (login-proxy-blabla) like that must already exist. Dec 11 13:44:04 how do I install packages under MADDE? Dec 11 13:44:47 MohammadAG: Not sure what MADDE is. Dec 11 13:45:14 what's the SDK then? Dec 11 13:45:22 MohammadAG: RPM based? Dec 11 13:46:17 is there a scratchbox version? madde is retarded Dec 11 13:46:23 msvb: this should be easy. xinit looks at its arguments to determine the parameters of the server and client. a client can be a shell script that starts xscreensaver as a daemon, locks it and only after that starts the rest of the session. That's how I would do it, not sure how it is actually done Dec 11 13:46:31 in fact I have nevert tried meego Dec 11 13:47:03 someone here get MSN to work with empathy? Dec 11 13:47:32 Speccy: common bug with ubuntu. Try disabling SSL Dec 11 13:47:52 patrakov: But using xscreensaver in place of a real login manager (however lightweight) seems like a hack. Dec 11 13:48:19 patrakov: …because login authentication is just to basic of a OS service to not provide. Dec 11 13:48:20 how do I disable SSL? Dec 11 13:48:59 Speccy: there should be a checkbox somewhere, I think (I am just pretending to be a parrot) Dec 11 13:49:12 lol thanks Dec 11 13:49:19 Speccy: When building a RPM package? Probably —define 'ssl no' or --define 'enable_ssl no' Dec 11 13:49:40 Speccy: Oh, sorry didn't read your prevoius comment about MSN. Dec 11 13:50:02 Speccy: Guess you're not building packages with/out SSL. Dec 11 13:50:02 msvb: yes, it is a hack. but given that there is only a single user, this hack works Dec 11 13:50:56 patrakov: Personally I don't know if single user limitation is really that great a feature, but setting that aside... Dec 11 13:51:08 patrakov: …. it still would be useful to control the login process. Dec 11 13:51:22