**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 12 02:59:58 2010
Dec 12 03:00:39 <lcuk> npm, but we can do the same on same hardware on maemo
Dec 12 03:00:47 <GrosseTapette> Hi guyz
Dec 12 03:01:03 <lcuk> gnite MohammadAG \o
Dec 12 03:01:20 <lcuk> and gnite npm
Dec 12 03:01:24 <npm> gnite
Dec 12 03:01:36 <MohammadAG> just wanted to add, even when debootstrapping ubuntu, my temperature didn't reach the temp meego did
Dec 12 03:01:43 <MohammadAG> nite lcuk
Dec 12 03:07:13 <npm> anybody have a solution to missing "mad-developer" remote-wrapper.sh ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-November/000432.html )
Dec 12 03:33:48 * npm attempts to manually install http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/tools:/sdk:/target/MeeGo_1.1/armv7l/mad-developer-2.0-8.1.armv7l.rpm
Dec 12 04:48:49 <Jay_BEE> is it me or is there no terminal app in the latest handset image?
Dec 12 04:48:59 * Jay_BEE surfs to the packages location
Dec 12 04:51:12 <Jay_BEE> mia
Dec 12 04:58:36 <Jay_BEE> raised a bug, not for the terminal app, but for the keyboard lights not coming on
Dec 12 09:47:28 <sivang> thp: ping
Dec 12 10:45:51 <roadi> whats all in/on the rescue system ... http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd
Dec 12 10:46:19 <roadi> i've bricked my n900 and wanna recover recover all the data befor i reflash it.
Dec 12 10:46:57 <roadi> the backlight is off so i need an easy way for copy all file to the sd card.
Dec 12 10:59:47 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, ping
Dec 12 11:00:11 <Stskeeps> plonk
Dec 12 11:00:30 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, why does uboot-pr13's source contain binaries?
Dec 12 11:01:15 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: mostly because i don't trust the toolchain in fremantle for building uboot
Dec 12 11:01:25 <Stskeeps> it's built with arm2010q3, so
Dec 12 11:02:06 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, I sent uboot-power to the repos, which has sources instead of binaries
Dec 12 11:02:29 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, and it works
Dec 12 11:02:47 <Stskeeps> ok
Dec 12 11:03:07 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, so, mind updating the package to follow debian policies? :)
Dec 12 11:04:13 <Stskeeps> i don't really intend to, considering it works fine for the purpose
Dec 12 11:04:19 <Stskeeps> if you want the source tree, i have that :)
Dec 12 11:04:32 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, or if you don't mind, I can ask X-Fade to delete both packages and make one source which generates both packages
Dec 12 11:04:51 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, uboot-power has proper sources
Dec 12 11:05:06 <Stskeeps> i'd (tbh) prefer nothing to be touched and i don't want anything that links to the power kernel for various reasons
Dec 12 11:05:28 <Stskeeps> it's in extras-devel for a reason
Dec 12 11:05:49 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, well, can I fix the package then?
Dec 12 11:06:01 <Stskeeps> simple fact is that if we change something and it breaks, we'll have some very unhappy customers :P
Dec 12 11:06:09 <Stskeeps> like the kernel-power guys fucked up
Dec 12 11:06:35 <MohammadAG> that kernel has the worst management ever, but that's not the point
Dec 12 11:08:01 <Stskeeps> so, i would prefer the package to stay as-is as we know it works fine
Dec 12 11:08:21 <MohammadAG> but it's in free and has binaries :/
Dec 12 11:09:11 <dm8tbr> put a link to the sources there and stop being fundamentalist :)
Dec 12 11:09:23 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: and comes with exact instructions, too
Dec 12 11:13:48 <Bostik> link to sources + short explanation/note on toolchain issues as why the weird situation exists; I'd think that's well within reason (as in: "if you can't fix it, please stop breaking it any further")
Dec 12 11:16:43 <sunkan> Yesterday I was testing with the image meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php, today I decided to test meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2. If I am going to report any useful test data for the N900 what image should I be using? And should I have a specific repo for zypper?
Dec 12 11:17:02 <Stskeeps> sunkan: repo.meego.com ones
Dec 12 11:18:09 <sunkan> Stskeeps: Ok, so I'm better of with the new one I installed.. Most obvious problem now is that the top status bar is completely blank. Known issue?
Dec 12 11:18:24 <Stskeeps> sunkan: systemui crashing should be fixed in next weeky
Dec 12 11:18:25 <Stskeeps> on 14th
Dec 12 11:19:24 <sunkan> Stskeeps: Ok.. can I update to that over WLAN with specific repo settings? Or do I need to dd in a new image for every release?
Dec 12 11:19:33 <Stskeeps> sunkan: currently we don't test upgrade-ability
Dec 12 12:24:23 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 12 12:24:31 <Stskeeps> pong?
Dec 12 12:24:33 <timeless_mbp> i need someone who can explain what 'itt' and 'ittt' are
Dec 12 12:24:51 <Stskeeps> i don't know
Dec 12 12:25:12 <timeless_mbp> can you find someone who could?
Dec 12 12:25:15 <timeless_mbp> https://bug532194.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=415475
Dec 12 12:32:26 <timeless_mbp> please?
Dec 12 12:32:36 <timeless_mbp> ARM.com *really* _sucks_
Dec 12 12:33:56 <Stskeeps> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0489b/Cjabicci.html
Dec 12 12:34:48 <timeless_mbp> how stable is that crappy url? :)
Dec 12 12:34:54 <timeless_mbp> is it as bad as a nokia.com url?
Dec 12 12:35:06 <Stskeeps> duno
Dec 12 12:39:46 <timeless_mbp>  * http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0042d/IHI0042D_aapcs.pdf
Dec 12 12:39:51 <timeless_mbp> in the past we've linked to that
Dec 12 12:39:55 * timeless_mbp wonders if it's still valid
Dec 12 12:40:38 <timeless_mbp> it is
Dec 12 12:43:46 <ysdem123> so quiet
Dec 12 12:44:13 <CosmoHill> everyone is at church
Dec 12 12:44:18 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 12:44:26 <CosmoHill> or most likely having a lie in
Dec 12 12:44:36 <lolloo> sunday! should be lazy day!
Dec 12 12:44:56 <lolloo> but MeeGo cannot wait!
Dec 12 12:45:08 <ysdem123> wait for what?
Dec 12 12:48:11 <CosmoHill> monday?
Dec 12 12:48:17 <CosmoHill> sunday roast?
Dec 12 12:49:14 <ysdem123> whta do you usually do in sunday?
Dec 12 12:51:11 <CosmoHill> sleep, play games. anything but do my assignments
Dec 12 12:51:51 <ysdem123> assignments? such as ?
Dec 12 12:52:45 <CosmoHill> I handed in Parellel computing and Data structures on friday
Dec 12 12:52:55 <CosmoHill> next friday I have professional issues to hand in
Dec 12 12:53:40 <ysdem123>  :)  you rae so busy!
Dec 12 12:53:54 <ysdem123> you are so busy
Dec 12 12:54:25 <CosmoHill> apart from today, cos it\s a sunday
Dec 12 12:54:29 <CosmoHill> and I have sky movies
Dec 12 12:54:57 <ysdem123> sports?
Dec 12 13:04:23 <CosmoHill> ysdem123: what are those?
Dec 12 13:04:41 <ysdem123> i come from China
Dec 12 13:05:12 <ysdem123> make an nickname for fun
Dec 12 13:06:00 <ysdem123> And you?
Dec 12 13:06:39 <CosmoHill> I'm from the UK
Dec 12 13:08:07 <ysdem123> In our college,we have to pass CET .
Dec 12 13:08:21 * lbt says "hi" to ysdem123 too
Dec 12 13:08:30 <CosmoHill> to me that means Centre European Time :)
Dec 12 13:09:26 <ysdem123> CET means like IELTS
Dec 12 13:10:29 <chuckgao> CET band 4 and 6
Dec 12 13:10:45 <ysdem123> yeah
Dec 12 13:11:24 <chuckgao> ungerliverable
Dec 12 13:12:21 <ysdem123> we have to pass this fucking test
Dec 12 13:12:38 <CosmoHill> language
Dec 12 13:13:44 <ysdem123> yeah  or we can not get the Educational certificate
Dec 12 13:16:39 <ysdem123> chuckgao  where are you from?
Dec 12 13:43:00 * CosmoHill shivers
Dec 12 13:44:05 <niala> hello
Dec 12 13:44:15 <niala> CosmoHill: reading fc ?
Dec 12 13:44:28 <CosmoHill> no, just damn cold
Dec 12 13:44:38 <CosmoHill> we drew nil all yesterday to convertory
Dec 12 13:45:42 <niala> ah
Dec 12 13:47:41 <lolloo> is there a course for programming meego?
Dec 12 13:47:59 <lolloo> I need one.
Dec 12 13:48:04 <CosmoHill> not yet
Dec 12 13:48:24 <CosmoHill> there was a meantion of tutorials and classes some months ago
Dec 12 13:48:27 <lolloo> I need atleast to keep up
Dec 12 13:48:50 <lolloo> is there a good reference for programming apps on meego?
Dec 12 13:49:00 <lolloo> a book?
Dec 12 13:49:07 <lolloo> or something
Dec 12 13:49:27 <lolloo> I am confused alot
Dec 12 13:49:33 <Bostik> since meego (core) API is supposed to be Qt, you might try a good Qt programming book
Dec 12 13:49:34 <niala> lolloo: http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html like taht ?
Dec 12 13:49:42 <lolloo> and dont know how to start!
Dec 12 13:50:31 <lolloo> Qt? what do all mostly use for it?
Dec 12 13:50:38 <lolloo> am checking the site now
Dec 12 13:52:13 <lolloo> don't you find it funny that I am still struggling to install Meego sdk on my windowsxp pc?
Dec 12 13:52:37 <niala> you can use virtualbox
Dec 12 13:53:12 <lolloo> omg now I need to google what the hell is virtualbox.
Dec 12 13:53:20 <niala> :)
Dec 12 13:53:20 <CosmoHill> hold on
Dec 12 13:53:58 <CosmoHill> http://trac.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/wiki/VirtualboxWin
Dec 12 13:55:18 <CosmoHill> damn that guide is old, virtualbox 4 beta is out
Dec 12 13:56:03 <Bostik> and I discovered that vbox 3.2 (or more precisely, their kernel module) breaks things on my box
Dec 12 13:56:22 <niala> lolloo: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows  all digered
Dec 12 13:56:45 <Bostik> dm-raid -> dm-crypt -> ext4 -> vbox  + heavy I/O inside VM --> *oops*
Dec 12 13:56:51 <lolloo> so when I install this on my lazy old windows xp pc I will need to install meego sdk as if i am installing it on linux pc?
Dec 12 13:58:07 <lolloo> niala, I have been using it from the start (sdk) but the steps are sp hard!
Dec 12 13:58:11 <lolloo> so*
Dec 12 13:58:21 <lolloo> and LONG!
Dec 12 13:58:23 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 13:58:48 <lolloo> what is virtualbox for? is it emulator?
Dec 12 13:59:19 <niala> ... ahhhh long what did you say if your computer was an old pentium 100
Dec 12 13:59:27 <lolloo> omg
Dec 12 13:59:29 <niala> lolloo: yes vbox is an emulator
Dec 12 13:59:47 <niala> you want to see a meego or install sdk ?
Dec 12 14:00:12 <lolloo> install sdk so I can start programming on my N900
Dec 12 14:00:36 <lolloo> but I cannot even start correctly
Dec 12 14:00:42 <CosmoHill> it's like a box, only it's virtual
Dec 12 14:00:48 <CosmoHill> lolloo: you know what vmware is right?
Dec 12 14:00:52 <lolloo> yes
Dec 12 14:01:04 <CosmoHill> virtualbox is like vmware workstation
Dec 12 14:01:09 <niala> so Qt and Mad if you want dev for meego-arm
Dec 12 14:01:30 <CosmoHill> only it's not a whore to install
Dec 12 14:02:35 <lolloo> is there debugger for qt other than this very long steps of meego sdk
Dec 12 14:02:37 <lolloo> ?
Dec 12 14:02:51 <niala> CosmoHill: ohhh googletranslate show me a bad word for 'whore'
Dec 12 14:03:03 <lolloo> AARGGH am pulling my hair out!
Dec 12 14:03:21 <niala> lolloo: you can even try qtcreator on windows with no meego
Dec 12 14:03:27 <CosmoHill> "putain" I believe
Dec 12 14:03:33 * CosmoHill puts a coin in the swear jar
Dec 12 14:03:40 <niala> yes double-oh   :)
Dec 12 14:03:43 <CosmoHill> wait we don't have a swear jar in here
Dec 12 14:04:12 <berndhs> just send me the money, it will make you feel better
Dec 12 14:04:50 <niala> CosmoHill: i thought tthe only bad word in english was "fuck off"
Dec 12 14:05:50 <lolloo> ok am liking this http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html
Dec 12 14:06:07 <lolloo> reading is fun! not.
Dec 12 14:07:27 <niala> like shakespeare
Dec 12 14:09:48 <niala> to devel or not to devel, that is the question.
Dec 12 14:10:38 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 14:11:02 <lolloo> I want to!!! but its not conveniant!
Dec 12 14:12:04 <CosmoHill> "fu**" is a bad word
Dec 12 14:12:05 <lolloo> convenient*
Dec 12 14:12:10 <CosmoHill> there is one word worse than that
Dec 12 14:12:21 <lolloo> **ck
Dec 12 14:12:44 <CosmoHill> no lolloo, a cock is a roster
Dec 12 14:12:54 <lolloo> ofcourse
Dec 12 14:13:21 <CosmoHill> going back to what you said eariler
Dec 12 14:13:36 <CosmoHill> if you want to learn to write Meego programs you should learn c++ and Qt
Dec 12 14:14:07 <lolloo> I do know C++
Dec 12 14:14:09 <CosmoHill> since you don't need a MeeGo SDK for this, or even linux for that matter
Dec 12 14:14:09 <berndhs> other bad words in english: "banker", "end user", "COBOL",...
Dec 12 14:14:23 <CosmoHill> "conservative"
Dec 12 14:14:32 <berndhs> "socialist"
Dec 12 14:14:44 <CosmoHill> "youth"
Dec 12 14:14:56 <lolloo> "ogeem"
Dec 12 14:14:58 <berndhs> "middle age"
Dec 12 14:15:06 <CosmoHill> "essex" :(
Dec 12 14:15:08 <niala> nsa
Dec 12 14:15:13 <lolloo> usa
Dec 12 14:15:23 <berndhs> "france"
Dec 12 14:15:27 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 14:15:33 <niala> "sarkozy"
Dec 12 14:15:58 <berndhs> "we are out of beer"
Dec 12 14:16:23 <lolloo> "aliens"
Dec 12 14:16:46 <berndhs> "locals"
Dec 12 14:16:47 <niala> no lolloo not "aliens" "human"
Dec 12 14:17:05 <lolloo> what do you use to program apps for meego CosmoHill please?
Dec 12 14:17:24 <lolloo> Qt nokia?
Dec 12 14:17:38 <CosmoHill> Qt Creator
Dec 12 14:17:45 <CosmoHill> on my mac I just have the Qt libs installed
Dec 12 14:18:01 <niala> you heart about life in arsenic ?
Dec 12 14:18:06 <lolloo> ok enuf for me, I read it has everything. even Qtopengl
Dec 12 14:18:18 <lolloo> which I need
Dec 12 14:19:22 <CosmoHill> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyOfUFEjuBA I just enabled google transcribe on this
Dec 12 14:19:30 <CosmoHill> the sub titles are NOTHING like what he is saying
Dec 12 14:19:30 <niala> if he just install qtcreator for windows he can devel for meego;isn't it?
Dec 12 14:19:50 <lolloo> yes?
Dec 12 14:20:55 <CosmoHill> Qt apps will work on meego
Dec 12 14:21:12 <lolloo> crossplatform rocks!
Dec 12 14:21:12 <CosmoHill> (you'd have to recompile them but they should work)
Dec 12 14:21:14 <niala> lolloo: wich version of zindoz$ you use
Dec 12 14:21:22 <CosmoHill> hey w00t_
Dec 12 14:21:25 <niala> 32x 64x ?
Dec 12 14:21:31 <lolloo> 32
Dec 12 14:21:51 <CosmoHill> niala: that is the weirdest spelling of windows I have ever seen
Dec 12 14:22:02 <lolloo> hehe me too
Dec 12 14:22:04 <niala> http://download3.meego.com/MeeGoSDK/1.1/meego-1.1-sdk-beta-offline-installer.exe
Dec 12 14:22:24 <lolloo> niala, thanks!
Dec 12 14:22:32 <niala> i m proud of that :)
Dec 12 14:22:33 <lolloo> mmm lemme see now.
Dec 12 14:22:54 * dm8tbr prefers to spell that wintendo
Dec 12 14:23:04 <lolloo> zionistwindows
Dec 12 14:23:07 <dm8tbr> it's a graphics adventure, with no walk-through ;)
Dec 12 14:23:24 <CosmoHill> I just stick with windows
Dec 12 14:23:53 <lolloo> winxp
Dec 12 14:24:14 <lolloo> m$windows
Dec 12 14:24:39 <niala> If you are using Windows XP, please download a small file vcredist_x86.exe (Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86)) from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=a5c84275-3b97-4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2 and install it to your system
Dec 12 14:24:47 <lolloo> ofcourse
Dec 12 14:24:54 <niala> what a good english, isn't it? :D
Dec 12 14:25:27 <niala> I m a fast copy/paster hehe
Dec 12 14:25:56 <lolloo> yes you are I never noticed! don't tell anyone.
Dec 12 14:26:48 <lolloo> ok here goes. I hope I don't fail at step one!
Dec 12 14:26:58 <lolloo> I will kick myself!
Dec 12 14:27:48 <lolloo> am thinking of making a temprature analysis app for meego.
Dec 12 14:28:04 <lolloo> my phone is HOT!
Dec 12 14:28:20 <niala> n900 with meego hot ?
Dec 12 14:28:28 <lolloo> yeah
Dec 12 14:28:48 <niala> ah it's seem like it's happen often this days
Dec 12 14:28:52 <lolloo> they say because of using slow sd card.
Dec 12 14:29:04 <niala> ok yes
Dec 12 14:29:17 <lolloo> it's december! need snow!
Dec 12 14:29:25 <niala> :( not good publicity
Dec 12 14:29:39 <lolloo> shhhh
Dec 12 14:30:16 <niala> lolloo: yes but if you skiiing you can have yours testicles in hot
Dec 12 14:30:45 <lolloo> "testicles" bad word
Dec 12 14:31:01 <lolloo> breast arn't
Dec 12 14:32:08 <niala> sorry
Dec 12 14:33:33 <lolloo> naah, just having fun.
Dec 12 14:34:50 <niala> lolloo: your download is finish?
Dec 12 14:35:01 <lolloo> no
Dec 12 14:35:12 <lolloo> slow!
Dec 12 14:35:59 <niala> mmm it's winter, electron are slow
Dec 12 14:36:20 <lolloo> you think! MADD is just slow.
Dec 12 14:37:14 <CosmoHill> what you downlaoding?
Dec 12 14:37:41 <lolloo> meego-core-armv7l-1.1:
Dec 12 14:38:23 <lolloo> very slow.
Dec 12 14:38:34 <CosmoHill> give me the link
Dec 12 14:38:55 <CosmoHill> please :)
Dec 12 14:39:13 <lolloo> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows
Dec 12 14:39:17 <CosmoHill> merci
Dec 12 14:39:18 <niala> CosmoHill: you want make a race ?
Dec 12 14:39:34 <CosmoHill> meego sdk offline installer?
Dec 12 14:40:35 <lolloo> yes I think so
Dec 12 14:41:06 <CosmoHill> okay 3 seconds
Dec 12 14:41:19 <CosmoHill> done
Dec 12 14:41:36 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-1.1-sdk-beta-offline-installer.exe
Dec 12 14:41:42 <lolloo> 55 mb
Dec 12 14:42:05 <lolloo> but you need install Meego target
Dec 12 14:42:41 <lolloo> I am downloading meego-core-armv7l-1.1
Dec 12 14:42:44 <CosmoHill> oh
Dec 12 14:42:45 <niala> CosmoHill: you have mirroring all meego ?
Dec 12 14:42:46 <lolloo> for N900
Dec 12 14:42:59 <CosmoHill> niala: no, only what people in here say are slow
Dec 12 14:43:15 <lolloo> would be awesome if someone upload it to hotfile
Dec 12 14:43:20 <lolloo> or megaupload
Dec 12 14:43:37 <niala> CosmoHill: you can do the same for megaupload? :D
Dec 12 14:43:43 <niala> lol lolloo
Dec 12 14:43:53 <CosmoHill> I think I'll stick to the CLFS server
Dec 12 14:44:03 <CosmoHill> no stupid waiting around for the download to even begine
Dec 12 14:44:11 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 14:44:24 <dm8tbr> indeed
Dec 12 14:44:32 <lolloo> I have premium.
Dec 12 14:44:40 <dm8tbr> not everyone has
Dec 12 14:44:42 <lolloo> +1 for me YaY
Dec 12 14:44:46 <lolloo> hehe
Dec 12 14:44:48 <CosmoHill> the clfs server is free and has a 200Mb/s connection :)
Dec 12 14:45:16 <lolloo> +1 for CosmoHill \0/
Dec 12 14:45:46 <CosmoHill> I mean literary too, apart from hardware it's free, no data or eletrical payments :D
Dec 12 14:45:59 <lolloo> I need a drink.
Dec 12 14:46:22 <niala> yes but no "holiday" movie on clfs  :/ :p
Dec 12 14:46:45 <CosmoHill> only home made ones
Dec 12 14:47:27 <niala> of course, what eles
Dec 12 14:47:29 <niala> else
Dec 12 15:16:44 <lolloo> omg I got disconnected! and there is no resume capability on MADDE
Dec 12 15:16:54 <lolloo> omg starting again!
Dec 12 15:30:23 <CosmoHill> hmm, Intel will be ditching support for VGA by 2015
Dec 12 15:30:36 <CosmoHill> http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/12/10/amd-intel-drop-d-sub-support/1
Dec 12 15:56:02 <niala> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `[????????? ???????;gnome-appearance-properties.desktop,????????? ???????????? ???????????;gnome-default-applications.desktop,?????????? ??????????;system-config-printer.desktop] ' for schema (/schemas/apps/control-center/cc_actions_list)
Dec 12 15:56:08 <niala> on zypper update
Dec 12 15:56:48 <CosmoHill> that's a lot of question marks
Dec 12 15:58:13 <niala> yes strange
Dec 12 15:58:16 <berndhs> no wonder it can't parse that
Dec 12 16:00:29 <niala> my mom would say I break everything
Dec 12 16:00:32 <niala> bad bad guy
Dec 12 16:06:16 <lcuk> are we putting any christmas decorations up around the channel this year?
Dec 12 16:07:03 <lcuk> .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
Dec 12 16:07:33 <niala> nice lcuk  :) clap clap clap
Dec 12 16:09:10 <berndhs> ah it warms the heart
Dec 12 16:14:35 <lcuk> bah, guess thats a no!
Dec 12 16:15:10 <niala> î î î î î  Î Î Î     (candles)
Dec 12 16:15:11 <RST38h> <yawn>
Dec 12 16:36:40 <lardman> quite quiet in here
Dec 12 16:37:23 <RST38h> moo.
Dec 12 16:37:30 <Jaffa> lardman: baa
Dec 12 16:38:01 <lardman> hey Jaffa, how's things?
Dec 12 16:39:14 <Jaffa> lardman: Hectic :-(
Dec 12 16:39:20 <Jaffa> And argumentative
Dec 12 16:39:24 <Jaffa> But that's a different story
Dec 12 16:39:42 <lardman> Oh, sorry to hear that
Dec 12 16:41:26 * CosmoHill hugs Jaffa 
Dec 12 16:41:28 * lardman embraces Shiboken and hopes it all just works like magic
Dec 12 16:41:57 * lardman passes Jaffa a bacon sandwich and a glass of vino
Dec 12 16:43:21 <CosmoHill> lardman: that's a more manly way to cheer someone up
Dec 12 16:43:50 <lardman> well I'm busy embracing shiboken and I've only got 2 arms! ;)
Dec 12 16:43:56 <penguin> hello
Dec 12 16:44:07 <penguin> how is every one?
Dec 12 16:44:33 <penguin> is any one here?
Dec 12 16:44:49 <lcuk> yes
Dec 12 16:44:53 <lolloo> yes
Dec 12 16:44:59 <lcuk> but its sunday i am fighting with christmas tree lights
Dec 12 16:45:16 <CosmoHill> I found out that our ladder wobbles
Dec 12 16:45:23 <penguin> lcuk good luck
Dec 12 16:45:31 <CosmoHill> however I was already in the loft when I found this out so I had to wait 2 mins for my bro to come help me
Dec 12 16:46:23 <lardman> what kind of brother do you have, I'd have thought 2hrs was more like it ;)
Dec 12 16:47:32 <CosmoHill> he was busy playing world of warcraft
Dec 12 16:47:38 <Jaffa> lardman: Wine and beer sound like a plan.
Dec 12 16:47:44 <Jaffa> lardman: Might kick off the MWKN issue with a sherry
Dec 12 16:48:09 <lardman> :)
Dec 12 16:48:18 <lardman> now you're sounding Christmasy!
Dec 12 16:48:51 <Jaffa> lardman: I might put some Slade on too
Dec 12 16:48:59 <lcuk> jaffa I can send you a photo of tracys Christmas cake
Dec 12 16:49:09 <lcuk> its got enough alcohol in it to get you drunk by email
Dec 12 16:49:33 <lardman> lol
Dec 12 16:52:08 <Jaffa> lcuk: Sounds like my mum's :-)
Dec 12 16:52:41 <lcuk> :)
Dec 12 16:57:19 * Stskeeps yawns
Dec 12 16:59:54 * CosmoHill flicks a sweet into Stskeeps 
Dec 12 17:01:40 * lardman looks around for his Christmas tunes CD, fearing Holly has finally thrown it away
Dec 12 17:01:53 <CosmoHill> holly +1
Dec 12 17:02:10 <CosmoHill> hmm I wonder
Dec 12 17:02:24 <lcuk> lardman, have you ever tried putting holly on the Christmas tree?
Dec 12 17:02:38 <CosmoHill> if number = 1 and you do number = (number++) + 1, what do you get?
Dec 12 17:02:47 <lcuk> 3
Dec 12 17:02:57 <lcuk> errr 2
Dec 12 17:03:25 <berndhs> you get 2. twice
Dec 12 17:04:20 <lardman> lcuk: I'll pass along that little gem, just be careful next time you see her! :D
Dec 12 17:05:01 <lcuk> :D
Dec 12 17:05:03 <lcuk> ok
Dec 12 17:05:16 <lcuk> and lardman, when you do
Dec 12 17:05:18 <lcuk> get photos.
Dec 12 17:05:36 <lardman> lol
Dec 12 17:05:52 <lardman> Yeah, fist flying towards my face/camera :)
Dec 12 17:06:28 <lcuk> she might find it hard to punch things with tinsel wrapped around her :P
Dec 12 17:07:04 <lardman> hey, how did you know about that ;)
Dec 12 17:07:25 <lcuk> :P
Dec 12 17:09:01 <lardman> hmm, that is strange, the Python headers seem to have moved since I last used sb
Dec 12 17:19:09 <lardman> hmm, why can't I get shiboken's pc file to work with my Qt plugin I wonder to myself
Dec 12 17:22:54 <lardman> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/build/mbarcode/maemo-barcode/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/PythonQTPluginWrapper] > /usr/bin/python2.5
Dec 12 17:22:54 <lardman> bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory
Dec 12 17:22:57 <lardman> hmm
Dec 12 17:23:04 <lcuk> Stskeeps, regarding alice@  perhaps a more clear representation would be public_record@ and explicitely ask before hand
Dec 12 17:24:37 <Jaffa> lcuk: How long do you wait for someone to say 'no'?
Dec 12 17:24:48 <Jaffa> lcuk: Although perhaps there could be a post-public protest whereby it gets taken down
Dec 12 17:25:20 <lcuk> well jaffa, the alternatives as mentioned by Stskeeps would be to just add it anyway which I feel isnt right
Dec 12 17:26:15 <lardman> hmm, is installing the Meego dev tools known to upset SB?
Dec 12 17:26:30 <lcuk> but really, we deal with this now with irc in a way
Dec 12 17:26:55 <lcuk> when important conversation topic come up here, i have been requesting for a long time to make a writeup (and it works generally)
Dec 12 17:26:59 <lcuk> based on the conversation
Dec 12 17:27:27 <lcuk> lardman, I have chroot sdk and sb on same machine and not seemed to get in the way
Dec 12 17:27:51 <lardman> I've not chrooted, I just did a direct install as everything is installable for lucid
Dec 12 17:28:02 <lardman> but now I'm getting these strange errors and am wondering what's up
Dec 12 17:29:05 <lcuk> lardman hmm idk, i was told that sb and meego tools played alongside each other and infact didnt know or care about the other
Dec 12 17:30:19 <lardman> what do you make of this? I've not done anything with SB, only installed the Meego dev tools yesterday:
Dec 12 17:30:21 <lardman> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ls -rtl /usr/bin/python2.5
Dec 12 17:30:21 <lardman> -rwxr-xr-x  1 simon 1000 1028632 May 17  2010 /usr/bin/python2.5
Dec 12 17:30:21 <lardman> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > /usr/bin/python2.5
Dec 12 17:30:22 <lardman> bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory
Dec 12 17:31:49 * lardman will be quite happy if it's a school-boy error on his part
Dec 12 18:44:42 <lardman> lcuk: fyi looks like an incompatibility between qemu-arm-sb and qemu-arm-static used for image building
Dec 12 18:47:54 <lcuk> o_O lardman
Dec 12 18:48:02 <Jay_BEE> good morning (ugt)
Dec 12 18:48:04 <lcuk> i noticed you said about filing a bug on #maemo
Dec 12 18:48:49 <lcuk> from what can you see, is it intentional and necessary to break it like this, or is it just overlooked and can potentially be worked around
Dec 12 18:49:16 <javispedro> it might be difficult to fix
Dec 12 18:49:25 <javispedro> it surprises me nobody saw it yet?
Dec 12 18:50:33 <lardman> Perhaps I'll ping Stskeeps or someone on the SDK panel and see what they think?
Dec 12 18:51:22 <lcuk> not really, with such heavy dependencies, at least community people are downloading images rather than building their own
Dec 12 18:51:32 <kallam> lardman: have you try http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox ?
Dec 12 18:51:46 <lcuk> and those that have been working with images appear to not be same set of folks who have/use sb
Dec 12 18:52:15 <lardman> kallam: ah thanks, didn't see that
Dec 12 18:53:12 <lardman> well something like that ought to be added to the Meego wiki, which itself needs some help as it is impossible to find anything in it
Dec 12 18:56:04 <lardman> and I know, wiki and all that, but I'm not an expert on this topic so probably best left to someone who knows what they are doing with sb
Dec 12 18:56:58 <javispedro> I think it just needs a footnote or the like, because making them not conflict would be real hard work (TM)
Dec 12 18:57:07 <javispedro> at, least, aiui.
Dec 12 18:57:11 <javispedro> *at least.
Dec 12 18:57:17 <Stskeeps> i co-exist with them on my setup, personally
Dec 12 18:57:45 <lardman> sure, it just needs an explanation
Dec 12 18:58:10 <javispedro> Stskeeps: the issue is both binfmt loaders, do you remove/add them when switching or .. ?
Dec 12 18:58:42 <Stskeeps> i'll have to look what i do.. sec
Dec 12 18:59:11 <javispedro> *both having elf-arm binfmt loaders (damn stupid me).
Dec 12 18:59:21 <Stskeeps> javispedro: well, in truth, all it does is to look for a certain binary
Dec 12 19:00:04 <javispedro> well
Dec 12 19:00:22 <javispedro> yeah, so you could a binary that decides what to launch depending on env vars or something. ah.
Dec 12 19:02:11 <Stskeeps> lcuk: what if transparency was built into the OS itself? (qml app), http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/snapshot1.png
Dec 12 19:02:15 <Stskeeps> re alice
Dec 12 19:03:32 <Stskeeps> clicking one of those roles will list email communication within that role/group/etc
Dec 12 19:06:16 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: btw - if you have that list of packages handy I'd be interested to know what I'd be getting into (re bootstrapping)
Dec 12 19:06:35 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: what was it you were planning on doing again?
Dec 12 19:08:30 <dm8tbr> I'm toying with the idea to rebuild without SSSE3.
Dec 12 19:08:49 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 12 19:08:51 <Stskeeps> sec
Dec 12 19:09:29 * Stskeeps grabs
Dec 12 19:09:56 <Stskeeps> http://pastie.org/1370763
Dec 12 19:10:01 <Stskeeps> -x86 and -arm packages not so important
Dec 12 19:10:18 <dm8tbr> *nod*
Dec 12 19:10:58 <Stskeeps> you will technically need to bootstrap those from a ssse3 target onto a non-ssse3 target :P
Dec 12 19:14:06 <dm8tbr> 100 packages give or take...
Dec 12 19:15:15 * dm8tbr wonders though if any of them really use SSSE3 even though built with SSSE3 enabled :>
Dec 12 19:19:09 <lolloo_> guys i need your help on meego sdk
Dec 12 19:19:33 <lolloo_> i am trying to Configuring device access in Qt Creator
Dec 12 19:19:48 <lolloo_> my device is n900
Dec 12 19:20:17 <lolloo_> i connect my phone with usb
Dec 12 19:20:28 <lolloo_> how do i know what ip it is using?
Dec 12 19:20:37 <MohammadAG> 192.168.2.15
Dec 12 19:20:40 <lolloo_> i want to run my app on it through SSH
Dec 12 19:20:58 <MohammadAG> run ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 on the host OS
Dec 12 19:21:10 <lolloo_> my os is windows xp
Dec 12 19:21:12 <lcuk> Stskeeps, hm? completely different issue, this isn't an os thing, its an email thing which unsurprisingly happens across many oses etc
Dec 12 19:21:13 <lolloo_> is it ok?
Dec 12 19:21:31 <lcuk> but nice that you are trying to build qml stuffs :)
Dec 12 19:21:48 <Stskeeps> lcuk: this would be the interface to access what meego@/alice@ collects
Dec 12 19:22:09 <MohammadAG> lolloo_, no idea how to configure USB networking on it, sorry
Dec 12 19:22:13 <lcuk> well thats not related to a specific implementation and reuqires something completely different?
Dec 12 19:22:18 <Stskeeps> usb networking is always on
Dec 12 19:22:35 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, I meant on Windows XP
Dec 12 19:22:47 <MohammadAG> well, on Windows* in general
Dec 12 19:22:50 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you can do that now
Dec 12 19:22:53 <lcuk> forgetting alice
Dec 12 19:23:00 <lolloo_>  "Could not connect to host"
Dec 12 19:23:01 <lcuk> run it over your mail cache
Dec 12 19:23:11 <lolloo_> when configuring it on qtcreator
Dec 12 19:23:15 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yes, that's what i'm going to start with
Dec 12 19:23:19 <lcuk> i spent much of the year doing similar for integration on fremantle
Dec 12 19:23:20 <Stskeeps> lcuk: as a base model
Dec 12 19:23:32 <MohammadAG> lolloo_, the host doesn't have DHCP, you'll have to figure out how to configure a manual IP for the device on Windows
Dec 12 19:23:40 <lcuk> but thats a front end rather than the data extraction bot
Dec 12 19:23:43 <lolloo_> alright
Dec 12 19:23:44 <MohammadAG> client*, sorry
Dec 12 19:23:46 <Stskeeps> yes, as intended
Dec 12 19:23:53 <lolloo_> so hard!
Dec 12 19:24:01 <lolloo_> windows sucks at this point
Dec 12 19:24:07 <Stskeeps> it's a frontend which is where the data collection shows it's value :P
Dec 12 19:24:15 <lardman> lolloo_: only at this point?
Dec 12 19:24:15 <lcuk> do it now
Dec 12 19:24:18 <lcuk> before alice@
Dec 12 19:24:22 <lcuk> they are 2 different issues
Dec 12 19:24:26 <lolloo_> yes dude keep it like that
Dec 12 19:24:30 <lolloo_> am such noob in linux
Dec 12 19:24:31 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yes, what i'm doing..
Dec 12 19:24:32 <lcuk> all the data exists on normal ML communications
Dec 12 19:24:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 19:24:48 <lcuk> but can qml access your entire mailbox currently
Dec 12 19:24:56 <lcuk> and is it reasonable to expect to search it all
Dec 12 19:25:00 <lcuk> each time
Dec 12 19:25:08 <lcuk> or will there be a cache of the cache
Dec 12 19:25:13 <lolloo_> what about if i use virtualbox? will it work?
Dec 12 19:25:31 <Stskeeps> lcuk: well, in practice, this will wire up against a rss feed or xml stuff
Dec 12 19:25:32 <lcuk> Stskeeps, what you made would be a reasonable plugin onto normal mail client
Dec 12 19:26:37 <lcuk> and it completely excludes something which I put more weight on than mails: irc ;)
Dec 12 19:27:03 <lolloo_> so you say that all meego developers are using linux?
Dec 12 19:27:03 <lcuk> so many actually public things are discussed and worked on
Dec 12 19:27:08 <lolloo_> no support for windows?
Dec 12 19:27:12 <lolloo_> thats tough.
Dec 12 19:27:21 <Stskeeps> lolloo_: do it over wifi
Dec 12 19:27:22 <lcuk> lolloo_, hm?
Dec 12 19:27:56 <lcuk> evening spyro \o
Dec 12 19:28:10 <bef0rd> hey lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu5NnjSKiiA that's what I meant, I added a new entry on extlinux bootloader, and changed the rc.local with something that according to the /proc/cmdline loaded the appropiate UI
Dec 12 19:28:22 <spyro> hiya lcuk :)
Dec 12 19:28:52 <lcuk> cool bef0rd !!! :D
Dec 12 19:29:18 <lcuk> bef0rd, would you care to add a new section to the changing_desktop instructions?
Dec 12 19:29:25 <lcuk> for people who would like to try similar?
Dec 12 19:29:35 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops
Dec 12 19:31:09 <lcuk> bef0rd, which device is that on by the way?
Dec 12 19:31:34 <dm8tbr> lcuk: nice
Dec 12 19:32:00 <MohammadAG> wow, meego looks awesome when running at fullspeed :D
Dec 12 19:32:13 <lcuk> MohammadAG, its great on the ideapad
Dec 12 19:32:28 * lcuk still considering how to document/file bugs on the things which arent working
Dec 12 19:32:51 <MohammadAG> lcuk, thinking of buying one
Dec 12 19:33:10 <lcuk> MohammadAG, heh
Dec 12 19:33:15 <javispedro> tbh I would never get it on its own merit alone (ideapad)
Dec 12 19:33:38 <javispedro> but I guess that considering the fact that most of us here have one...
Dec 12 19:34:26 <MohammadAG> hmm, MeeGo can run on non-atoms right?
Dec 12 19:34:42 <javispedro> as long as it has intel video and ssse3...
Dec 12 19:34:45 <javispedro> I'd guess.
Dec 12 19:35:11 <lcuk> given enough time, meego will run on arsenic based computers too :P
Dec 12 19:35:43 <javispedro> quantum-arsenic-optical-biological machines!
Dec 12 19:35:43 <MohammadAG> cool, which handset image do I need to get something similar to the one in the vid?
Dec 12 19:35:50 <MohammadAG> i.e netbook meego + handset UI
Dec 12 19:35:56 <Stskeeps> hmm?
Dec 12 19:36:07 <javispedro> MohammadAG: grab netbook and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops
Dec 12 19:36:08 <lcuk> MohammadAG, started with just the netbook image
Dec 12 19:36:16 <lcuk> and added a sprinkling of things
Dec 12 19:36:21 <lcuk> and can happily switch between
Dec 12 19:36:45 <lcuk> and once the IVI instructions catch up and tablet eventually and kde even
Dec 12 19:36:53 <MohammadAG> nice
Dec 12 19:37:15 <lcuk> meego+all its uxes in one place :)
Dec 12 19:37:31 <MohammadAG> ia132 right?
Dec 12 19:37:38 <MohammadAG> s/1//
Dec 12 19:37:38 <infobot> MohammadAG meant: ia32 right?
Dec 12 19:37:40 <lcuk> yes
Dec 12 19:37:47 * lcuk >> bbl
Dec 12 19:37:49 * dm8tbr goes - once again looking for an image that will run in his virtualbox
Dec 12 19:38:59 <lolloo_> hey guys, worked on wireless!! OMG ATLAAAAAAAAAAST
Dec 12 19:39:12 <lolloo_> i look like einstien now
Dec 12 19:39:18 <dm8tbr> ah there's an ia32 qemu image, nice, let's try that
Dec 12 19:46:52 <dm8tbr> hmm is the ia32 qemu image missing much? it looks like it's half the size of the regular ia32 image, 400M less
Dec 12 19:54:08 * dm8tbr facepalms - is there a valid reason for the ia32-qemu image being a raw.bz2 inside of a tar.bz2?
Dec 12 19:54:23 <Stskeeps> i think we filed a bug about that
Dec 12 19:54:24 <Stskeeps> :)
Dec 12 19:54:28 <RST38h> it is a single file rather than multiple files?
Dec 12 19:54:32 <dm8tbr> ah, good
Dec 12 19:54:38 <Stskeeps> but can't recall if it was WONTFIX..
Dec 12 19:54:38 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 19:54:44 <dm8tbr> meh
Dec 12 19:54:54 <Stskeeps> ask sage
Dec 12 19:54:57 <dm8tbr> RST38h: there's an xml file.
Dec 12 19:56:21 <RST38h> dm8tbr: So, can you do tar -jxf file.raw.bz2 and get multiple files?
Dec 12 19:59:22 <dm8tbr> RST38h: it contained 4 files meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-raw/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1[\.xml|-sda.raw.bz2|\.ks|\.packages]
Dec 12 19:59:39 <RST38h> ok then it is tar indeed
Dec 12 20:00:16 <dm8tbr> running bzip2 twice over a file is just useless (the 3 others have no significant size)
Dec 12 20:43:45 <npm> what is needed w/ a .raw is to mount it as a filesystem using loopback device https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Mounting_the_hard_disk_image
Dec 12 20:47:19 <npm> as to putting it inside a tar.gz, it's a free way of compressing it, set correct perms, and get error detection for large files?
Dec 12 20:48:13 <thiago_home> huh?
Dec 12 20:48:33 <npm> re: " facepalms - is there a valid reason for the ia32-qemu image being a raw.bz2 inside of a tar.bz2?"
Dec 12 20:48:56 <npm> i guess double compression is a bug
Dec 12 20:49:40 * npm catching up
Dec 12 20:53:30 <thiago_home> you don't need tar if it's just one file
Dec 12 20:54:14 <RST38h> he says it is multiple files
Dec 12 21:20:22 <lbt> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 12 21:21:28 <lbt> or DawnFoster...
Dec 12 21:38:01 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  ping
Dec 12 21:38:24 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, correct channel? pong
Dec 12 21:48:53 <dagger> is there a standalone meego SDK for 64bit systems? http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux only lists how to install SDK on pretty much 2 distros
Dec 12 21:49:36 <thiago_home> more distros are forthcoming
Dec 12 21:50:56 <lolloo_> help guys! i cant flash my phone!
Dec 12 21:51:14 <lolloo_> when i connect the usb and i keep pressing 'u'
Dec 12 21:51:21 <lolloo_> it boots directly to meego
Dec 12 21:51:24 <dagger> I understand it can take time to "support" distro. I'm not really interested in "supported" packages. I would appreciate standard standalone package (like Nokia Qt SDK)
Dec 12 21:51:38 <lolloo_> i cant flash it back to maemo
Dec 12 21:52:38 <dagger> lolloo_: have you tried: start flasher. It will inform you that phone is not connected and will wait till you connect it. Shut down the phone. Do NOT turn it on. Just connect USB cable and wait
Dec 12 21:53:52 <MohammadAG> on that note, why did you flash the kernel
Dec 12 21:54:51 <thiago_home> dagger: yes, but that doesn't exist yet
Dec 12 21:55:22 <lolloo_> yes i didnt turn on the phone, i just connected the USB and kept pressing on 'u'
Dec 12 21:55:24 <dagger> thiago_home: if that wouldn't exist, all these packages for fedora and ubuntu couldn't be created :D
Dec 12 21:55:34 <lolloo_> but u-bot keeps loading
Dec 12 21:55:44 <lolloo_> it ignores my 'u' press
Dec 12 21:55:45 <dagger> I just understand it's not publicly available
Dec 12 21:55:55 <thiago_home> dagger: no
Dec 12 21:55:59 <thiago_home> dagger: you just made a wrong assumption
Dec 12 21:56:11 <thiago_home> dagger: you assumed that there needs to be a set of files in order to create the distro packages
Dec 12 21:56:46 <dagger> thiago_home: I assume you need to have sources to create a package.
Dec 12 21:57:13 <thiago_home> yes, source code
Dec 12 21:57:26 <thiago_home> they are compiled by OBS for each specific distro
Dec 12 21:57:53 <dagger> since I've got qt-creator installed, is there a madde version for meego available as standalone package? I don't really need creator or qt-libraries
Dec 12 21:58:17 <dagger> well, even source location is fine by me
Dec 12 22:01:36 <thiago_home> the only available installs are what you see
Dec 12 22:01:42 <thiago_home> the source must be somewhere, but I have no clue where
Dec 12 22:05:06 <lcuk> dagger, there are people hacking through the undergrowth on numerous distros to ensure both sdk and components work in their distro.  afaik they are documenting it as they go, since they are afterall trailblzers!
Dec 12 22:05:45 <lcuk> go ask on the channels around your specific distro if you know others who are trying :)
Dec 12 22:06:28 <dagger> lcuk: I don't know any dev who's trying, not sure about users though
Dec 12 22:06:37 <dagger> (on my distro that is)
Dec 12 22:06:44 * thiago_home would be satisfied with a generic package, like dagger is asking for
Dec 12 22:06:46 <lcuk> which distro is that specifically?
Dec 12 22:06:57 <dagger> gentoo
Dec 12 22:07:07 <thiago_home> I ended up downloading the SUSE files, installing with rpm --force, then uninstalling --justdb
Dec 12 22:07:09 <lcuk> hmm
Dec 12 22:07:10 <lcuk> hold on
Dec 12 22:07:20 <lcuk> i shall dig, afaik theres a few folks from there trying
Dec 12 22:08:30 <dagger> we already have most SDK packages provided by default (qt-creatir). We can of course add the remaining parts (like madde) and toolchains (although gentoo does have great cross-toolchain creation tools)
Dec 12 22:08:37 <dagger> qt-creator*
Dec 12 22:08:58 <thiago_home> indeed
Dec 12 22:09:03 <thiago_home> I built my own creator and my own Qt
Dec 12 22:09:07 <Saviq> all, do you maybe have an explanation of this behavior with the N900 battery - when reflashed, clean, it lasted 4-5 days on light use, but when I added music, that dropped to about 2 days...
Dec 12 22:09:09 <thiago_home> all I need are the sysroot and the toolchain
Dec 12 22:09:12 <thiago_home> not even madde...
Dec 12 22:09:19 <dagger> I would be happy to do it myself or talk to our Qt team, but I don't really know where to start yet
Dec 12 22:09:35 <thiago_home> for the sysroot, you can use mic
Dec 12 22:09:47 <Saviq> I'm thinking about maybe tracker being a bit aggressive on the CPU? maybe it shouldn't scan when on battery and not directly requested?
Dec 12 22:09:49 <thiago_home> for the toolchain... you've just said you've got a good cross compilation suite in Gentoo
Dec 12 22:09:49 <lcuk> it was a guy called berte in the -sdk channel
Dec 12 22:10:05 <thiago_home> don't forget the x86 cross-compilation toolchain too
Dec 12 22:10:06 <Saviq> hrm... that question probably belongs to #maemo anyway... sorry for that...
Dec 12 22:10:55 <Termana> morning
Dec 12 22:11:04 <vgrade> dm8tbr, we have a list of packages using SSSE3 instructions at, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/nonSSSE3
Dec 12 22:11:57 <thiago_home> vgrade: you do realise that every time any package is compiled, it can add or remove SSSE3, right?
Dec 12 22:12:37 <vgrade> We have a script there which can be run against a new build
Dec 12 22:21:02 <dm8tbr> ah, ia32-qemu works with 3d acceleration also in virtualbox \o/
Dec 12 22:21:10 <dm8tbr> some assembly required
Dec 12 22:22:12 <thiago_home> heh
Dec 12 22:22:22 <thiago_home> do the instructions come in picture forms only?
Dec 12 22:23:12 <dm8tbr> what instructions?
Dec 12 22:25:06 <dm8tbr> hmm some stuff related to AIGLX seems isn't working. weird white flicker
Dec 12 22:28:55 <dm8tbr> whoa, it crashes vbox...
Dec 12 22:34:24 <Speccy> Hi all, I have some problems with Meego 1.1 concerning Banshee
Dec 12 22:34:54 <Speccy> It often crash, when trying to change the playing song
Dec 12 22:37:30 <probono> hi all. is anyone around who has used PortableLinuxApps on MeeGo?
Dec 12 22:38:19 <Speccy> probono: I saw some posts on the web from som1 that did it
Dec 12 22:38:43 <probono> i am working on proper desktop/menu integration
Dec 12 23:36:52 <TSCHAKeee> is anyone still trying to get EMGD working under MeeGo? I'm still trying to get the VA-API stuff working properly.
Dec 12 23:38:15 <lcuk_idea> TSCHAKeee, EMGD being the graphics driver stuff on joggler ?
Dec 12 23:38:28 <TSCHAKeee> yeah,
Dec 12 23:38:35 <TSCHAKeee> but am also using it on my Archos 9 work
Dec 12 23:38:57 <TSCHAKeee> i've had to table it because Intel stupidly built the VA-API stuff against libxcb-1.0
Dec 12 23:39:06 <TSCHAKeee> which, there is no way to get that running under meego 1.0 or 1.1
Dec 12 23:39:16 <TSCHAKeee> as everybody uses a version of libxcb-1.2
Dec 12 23:40:48 <lcuk_idea> TSCHAKeee, vgrade has most experience afaik
Dec 12 23:40:57 <TSCHAKeee> yeah, I remember
Dec 13 00:08:19 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, that one is on the back burner until the EMGD driver and MeeGo releases are made together
Dec 13 00:09:10 <TSCHAKeee> ok
Dec 13 00:09:14 <TSCHAKeee> i figured as much
Dec 13 00:09:22 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: that one has reduced me to tears.
Dec 13 00:09:39 <TSCHAKeee> I really want to bash the intel engineer's skull with a brick whoever did that one
Dec 13 00:12:18 <vgrade> There are a couple of Meego bugs raised which talk about an EMGD Update for 1.2 , Bugs 6863 and 8815
Dec 13 00:12:55 <lcuk> bug 6863
Dec 13 00:12:58 <lcuk> bug 8815
Dec 13 00:13:00 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 update kernel components
Dec 13 00:13:01 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8815 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 Update user mode driver components
Dec 13 00:13:20 <vgrade> There was also a post on the intel embedded website promising a release Q1 2011, http://embedded.communities.intel.com/thread/4755
Dec 13 00:13:50 <vgrade> but this is for 1.1.  By the time its released we will be onto 1.2
Dec 13 00:14:14 <TSCHAKeee> gotcha
Dec 13 00:14:33 <TSCHAKeee> i just want, whatever is released, to actually work
Dec 13 00:14:36 <TSCHAKeee> that's it
Dec 13 00:14:37 <vgrade> I don't see the problem getting these things synchronised
Dec 13 00:14:44 <TSCHAKeee> me neither
Dec 13 00:14:52 <TSCHAKeee> i smell sabotage, or really really really really shitty mgmt
Dec 13 00:15:15 <TSCHAKeee> it's really sad, because Menlow/Poulsbo, etc.. were originally specc'ed by Intel to NOT run Windows
Dec 13 00:15:36 <TSCHAKeee> they said when the chips were about to be released, that they were meant to run Linux or embedded OSes
Dec 13 00:15:43 <TSCHAKeee> i think Microsoft took offense.
Dec 13 00:16:05 <vgrade> until a load of netbook OEMs bought a load of boards from them
Dec 13 00:16:27 <TSCHAKeee> sigh.
Dec 13 00:16:33 <TSCHAKeee> i really like these chipsets
Dec 13 00:16:43 <TSCHAKeee> they're early, but even at this early stage, they have some amazing capabilities
Dec 13 00:16:49 <TSCHAKeee> i'd just like to use them
Dec 13 00:17:19 <TSCHAKeee> I can pull about 6 hours of battery time out of my Archos 9
Dec 13 00:17:29 <TSCHAKeee> with MeeGo and my orbiter optimized all to hell
Dec 13 00:17:59 <vgrade> yes, MeeGo on Joggler worked well
Dec 13 00:18:15 <TSCHAKeee> yup, i will put it on mine very soon
Dec 13 00:18:21 <TSCHAKeee> with the orbiter software
Dec 13 00:18:38 <TSCHAKeee> i wonder how much longer until more OpenPeak hardware starts leaking onto the marketplace
Dec 13 00:21:11 <CosmoHill> dammit, mum took my tea AND my mince pie
Dec 13 01:58:07 <harryhe> Who know how to invoke another application in one application?
Dec 13 02:01:04 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 13 02:02:47 <berndhs> harryhe: man 3 system, or Qt QProcess, or dbus
Dec 13 02:04:54 <harryhe> Thanks, system and QProcess is not what I need since they need to know application path
Dec 13 02:05:22 <berndhs> no they dont, they can search PATH
Dec 13 02:05:39 <harryhe> for dbus, can I invoke one application to play a video without knowing its name and path
Dec 13 02:05:42 <berndhs> anything a shell can find, you find with those
Dec 13 02:06:40 <berndhs> you can invoke some standard handlers with QDesktopService::openUrl
Dec 13 02:06:49 <harryhe> most OS supports registering an application with specifiled mimetype, does meego support too?
Dec 13 02:07:03 <berndhs> meego supports what linux supports
Dec 13 02:07:18 <berndhs> depends what you mean by "most"
Dec 13 02:08:31 <berndhs> you can run invoke xdg-open, it will know about some file types
Dec 13 02:08:56 <harryhe> thanks, let me have a look
Dec 13 02:09:01 <berndhs> if those are set up correctly, that is a user setup issue, not an OS issue
Dec 13 02:11:03 <harryhe> yes, I thinks this should have been supported by meego platform, the issue is I don't know it,   it should be platform capability
Dec 13 02:11:43 <berndhs> the platform can't control how the user sets the mapping
Dec 13 02:11:59 <berndhs> if the user screws that up, there isn't much the OS can do
Dec 13 02:12:53 <new_> hi, all
Dec 13 02:14:04 <new_> just new be here,
Dec 13 02:16:25 <harryhe> "platform" should supports one standard way to invoke/register preferred applications, like the way of "intent" in android, or programmers will be confused
Dec 13 02:16:48 <berndhs> are you confused already ? :)
Dec 13 02:17:08 <harryhe> one small issue is, meego api page doesn't support searching
Dec 13 02:17:12 <berndhs> why only 1 way to do things, that seems limiting
Dec 13 02:17:27 <harryhe> Yes, I am new to meego, in trouble now, :)
Dec 13 02:17:39 <harryhe> but I will get it out
Dec 13 02:18:04 <berndhs> its not that hard, don't dispair :)
Dec 13 02:19:28 <new_> I have 1 stupid question, does Intel Moorestown (IMT SGX) graphics/video parts support well in Meego? or other linux distributions?I  I cannot find more info after google it.
Dec 13 02:19:39 <harryhe> sure, :)
Dec 13 02:26:06 <harryhe> QDesktoService supports "openUrl", but no regist like function found, who know how it works to find the application specifiled filetype?
Dec 13 02:31:23 <berndhs> nto sure, openUrl just calls xdg-open I think
Dec 13 02:31:46 <berndhs> so its whatever xdg-open wants to do with the file
Dec 13 02:32:07 <berndhs> it doesnt have to be an http:// url, can be anything
Dec 13 02:36:00 <harryhe> thanks, I just found "xdg-mime default" can do this
Dec 13 02:36:32 <harryhe> is there a meego API or QT QPI for such interface?
Dec 13 02:37:25 <berndhs> oh probably
Dec 13 02:37:32 <harryhe> requiring programmers to call "xdg-mime default" in code is not friendly, for stupid programmers like me
Dec 13 02:37:37 <berndhs> I would jsut do it myself with system or QProcess
Dec 13 02:37:59 <berndhs> hey look on the bright side, you will be really educated in a short time :)
Dec 13 02:41:23 <harryhe> still far away to brightness
Dec 13 02:42:11 <berndhs> maybe, but soon you won't have to hang with the stupid kids any more, and have more fun
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