**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010
Dec 17 03:24:09 <bubble> is there a wubi like installer for meego
Dec 17 03:42:52 <Jay_BEE> hola
Dec 17 03:46:03 <beford> not at the momment bubble
Dec 17 03:53:09 <bubble> so is it feasible to customise wubi for use with meego
Dec 17 04:01:54 <bubble> actually I was tinkering with wubi 8.10, trying to compile it from source but there's an error in 'make' that says "GRUB requires a working absolute objcopy; upgrade your binutils". But my binutils are already latest version 2.20 .
Dec 17 05:17:43 <kismeter> hello, anybody have intel icdk
Dec 17 05:48:11 <iekku> morning
Dec 17 06:02:35 <JunJi> good morning
Dec 17 06:53:00 <Myrtti> moin
Dec 17 06:53:20 <Termana> good morning Myrtti
Dec 17 06:54:37 <JunJi> morn
Dec 17 06:58:35 <tyson_> morning...
Dec 17 07:00:39 <tyson_> hi all, how do you manage your source code? use git or svn or cvs? and so on..
Dec 17 07:08:27 <JunJi> tyson_: for meego?
Dec 17 07:09:03 <tyson_> JunJi: yes..
Dec 17 07:10:36 <JunJi> tyson_: I think people would like to use obs which is supporting cross compiling..
Dec 17 07:12:22 <tyson_> JunJi:  i use the obs compile the source code..and now i want to use git manage my source code. but i don't know the relationship of them..
Dec 17 07:13:01 <JunJi> JunJi: are you using the osc commands?
Dec 17 07:13:13 <JunJi> sorry, it was a stupid mistake :) I'm sleepy
Dec 17 07:13:22 <JunJi> tyson_ : are you using the osc commadS?
Dec 17 07:14:54 <tyson_> JunJI: i think osc commands has some shortcomings..
Dec 17 07:15:45 <JunJi> tyson_: I thought it will be very similar to svn
Dec 17 07:15:59 <tyson_> JunJI: and i know the bsgit command and obs-git command...but i don't know how to use them...i think they are better than osc command...
Dec 17 07:19:41 <tyson_> JunJi: if you writed some application program, you use the osc command manage them??   if you have many application programs...how to manage them? use osc?
Dec 17 07:21:20 <Stskeeps> tyson_: one package per program -- generally you would develop your program, store in git, make releases (tar.gz) and then package in obs
Dec 17 07:24:21 <tyson_> Stskeeps: how to communicate "git" with "obs"?  i have no idea about this problem long time...
Dec 17 07:25:04 <Stskeeps> tyson_: well, there's this source services stuff, but you basically do some manual work
Dec 17 07:25:30 <seshucl> Does the 1.1 image install in the device have atom processor and Intel 4500 graphics accelerator?
Dec 17 07:25:46 <Stskeeps> seshucl: it's software, not a machine ;)
Dec 17 07:26:22 <Termana> Stskeeps, I don't know what you're talking about - I downloaded me a new dem dere sound card just the other day
Dec 17 07:26:25 <Termana> :P
Dec 17 07:27:16 <seshucl> Stskeeps: well, I'm trying to install the meego 1.1 on my netbook
Dec 17 07:27:33 <Stskeeps> you probably mean 'support' or require :)
Dec 17 07:27:49 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  could you say some details about this? or give some website for me ? thanks...
Dec 17 07:28:04 <Stskeeps> tyson_: do you know how to package into spec?
Dec 17 07:28:18 <seshucl> One has intel 500 graphics accelerator and I was told the it is not supported and so i cannot install megoo on the system.
Dec 17 07:28:24 <Stskeeps> ah, gma 500
Dec 17 07:28:27 <Stskeeps> yes, there's a problem with that
Dec 17 07:28:40 <seshucl> what about 4500?
Dec 17 07:28:51 <Stskeeps> think that's different
Dec 17 07:29:02 <seshucl> does that also have the problem? my other system has that...
Dec 17 07:29:45 <seshucl> but it almost behaves as the earlier one...there is one instance where I saw the splash screen
Dec 17 07:30:09 <seshucl> but that did not stick.
Dec 17 07:31:24 <tyson_> Stskeeps: oh, i don't know the mean "how to package into spec". sorry!~
Dec 17 07:31:41 <Stskeeps> tyson_: wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial :)
Dec 17 07:34:41 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  i did it, but didn't success....
Dec 17 07:35:04 <Stskeeps> well, try harder :) it's possible to do
Dec 17 07:35:08 <Stskeeps> time for me to work
Dec 17 07:45:24 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  OK, thanks... listen to you, i think this is very simple, but i also don't know how to communicate git with obs.  if i follow the website which you gave me succeed. i will ask you. please don't refuse me. thanks. Stskeeps.
Dec 17 07:45:43 <Stskeeps> good luck :)
Dec 17 07:47:18 <tyson_> Stskeeps: good man... :)  working now..
Dec 17 07:54:34 <sandst1> tyson_: Having Git communicating with OBS in Meego is under progress, so the tools are not ready yet. See http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure for more info
Dec 17 08:04:51 <tyson_> sandst1: ok, thanks. if i have some problems, i will ask you...thank you..
Dec 17 08:09:51 <tyson_> sandst1: do you know obs-git or bsgit command? i think they can communicate git with obs. yes or no?
Dec 17 08:10:17 <sandst1> tyson_: yes, at least with the obs that opensuse is using, but haven't tried them with meego obs
Dec 17 08:17:38 <tyson_> sandst1:  does the opensuse obs  has difference with meego obs? i think they are same... and meego is just a project...
Dec 17 08:22:32 <sandst1> tyson_: there is an OBS instance for OpenSUSE and there's an OBS instance for MeeGo. they are based on the same software but are different servers
Dec 17 08:24:50 <Mek> there are even two OBS instances for MeeGo
Dec 17 08:32:02 <tyson_> sandst1: if the git didn't be used in meego, how intel and nokia manage source code(such as  the application programs) and devolpment application programs?
Dec 17 08:34:17 <sandst1> tyson_: Git is used in meego but the integration with OBS is not ready yet
Dec 17 08:34:35 <sandst1> tyson_: see meego.gitorious.org
Dec 17 08:35:43 <Stskeeps> tyson_: people do it manually :
Dec 17 08:35:44 <Stskeeps> )
Dec 17 08:41:15 <tyson_> sandst1, Stskeeps: OK, i got it. thank you.. best wish!~
Dec 17 08:41:40 <sandst1> tyson_: np
Dec 17 08:48:21 <tyson_> sandst1: i login this meego channel first time,  i know Stskeeps, he teach me many knowledge, and this time, i know you.. i'm a fresh man for meego. but you are very patient teach me. I am very grateful to you. thank you.
Dec 17 08:55:00 <sandst1> tyson_: yup, that's what the channels are for :)
Dec 17 09:03:41 <tyson_> sandst1: OK, if i will be good at meego.. i will do it also...
Dec 17 09:06:47 <kyb3R> hi
Dec 17 09:07:50 <kyb3R> hmmm....how do I change from one app to another with keyboard shortcuts (netbook)
Dec 17 09:08:21 <kyb3R> alt + arrow takes me to textbased-ui :)
Dec 17 09:09:24 <sandst1> kyb3R: alt-tab ?
Dec 17 09:09:38 <kyb3R> sandst1: obviously :)
Dec 17 09:09:55 <kyb3R> thanks
Dec 17 09:14:25 <tyson_> sandst1: i'm off now. go home... see you..
Dec 17 09:14:36 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i'm off now. go home... see you..
Dec 17 09:41:28 <lbt> o/ all
Dec 17 09:41:33 <Stskeeps> morn lbt
Dec 17 09:41:45 <lbt> hey.... how's you?
Dec 17 09:42:17 <Stskeeps> i'm good, last work day of the year today
Dec 17 09:42:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 17 09:42:51 <lbt> good
Dec 17 09:42:53 <Trenkin> :)
Dec 17 09:43:05 <lbt> I'm off over early new year period
Dec 17 09:44:34 <JunJi> hello
Dec 17 09:44:55 <lbt> morning JunJi
Dec 17 09:45:16 <JunJi> goodmorning
Dec 17 09:46:03 <X-Fade> JunJi: your account should work now.
Dec 17 09:46:14 <JunJi> yes, I see now thanks :)
Dec 17 09:47:49 <JunJi> Question, is there any meego handset image which is compiled as armv5?
Dec 17 09:48:42 <JunJi> so far, taking almost 2weeks I tried to install my own obs and finally got it. But this is really taking long long time...
Dec 17 09:49:11 <JunJi> this is about my company project.. so really need it actually. lol..
Dec 17 09:50:16 <X-Fade> JunJi: I suggest you join #meego-arm, the people there have more experience with the arm side of things.
Dec 17 09:50:24 <JunJi> aha
Dec 17 09:50:31 <JunJi> thanks I'm going there
Dec 17 10:24:00 <lardman> morning
Dec 17 13:38:53 <GeneralAntilles> Ω
Dec 17 13:39:07 <Stskeeps> oohm?
Dec 17 14:43:25 <shiv> hi, is it possible to have the meego handset image boot using a virtual machine in windows ?
Dec 17 14:50:07 <GAN900> shiv, potentially with a lot of work.
Dec 17 14:50:28 <GAN900> The acceleration requirement seems to make that rather more difficult than less, though.
Dec 17 15:09:43 <fiferboy> Ωsted
Dec 17 15:12:18 <tybollt> <put on flame retardant pants> will there be java support? </flame pants>
Dec 17 15:13:03 <mwichmann> not safe to take those off before people start the flaming :)
Dec 17 15:16:23 <tybollt> mwichmann: :)
Dec 17 15:19:04 <jonnor> tybollt: what kind of "java support" are you looking for?
Dec 17 15:29:41 <tybollt> jonnor: ehr Iono what it is called to be perfectly honest but something mimicking what an S60 device can do today in terms of java
Dec 17 15:29:54 <tybollt> bank/govt apps etc
Dec 17 15:33:15 <berndhs> I wouldn't trust a bank or government to run their software on my computer, java or not java :)
Dec 17 15:34:05 <jonnor> tybollt: I see no reasons why distributors of Meego products, or ISVs, would not be able to ship such support
Dec 17 15:34:49 <tybollt> jonnor: Out of the box for the handset arm edition, perhaps?
Dec 17 15:36:08 <jonnor> tybollt: I see it as unlikely it will be a part of Meego core (or a profile)
Dec 17 15:36:43 <tybollt> jonnor: fair enough, ty
Dec 17 15:37:18 <jonnor> tybollt: Do note that this is my personal view, I have no influence over the projects direction :)
Dec 17 16:51:17 * arjan\ auto-packages cppcheck with autospectacle
Dec 17 16:52:13 <Stskeeps> sounds like a cool tool, but it really needs a FEA# ;)
Dec 17 16:53:21 <arjan\> we have too much red tape in this project for simple things.
Dec 17 16:53:28 <Stskeeps> oh, i agree
Dec 17 16:53:52 <berndhs> arjan\: file a bug to reducte the red tape
Dec 17 16:54:00 <arjan> a bug or a FEA ?
Dec 17 16:54:00 <Stskeeps> personally i wouldn't mind a 48 hour expected response rate on features
Dec 17 16:54:13 <arjan> if the fscker takes 10 seconds to (auto) package
Dec 17 16:54:16 <Stskeeps> arjan: FEA, according to http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Process#Package_quality_expectations_for_submissions_into_.2A:Testing_projects
Dec 17 16:54:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 17 16:54:26 <arjan> I don't want to spend 4 hours dealingwith featurezilla crap
Dec 17 16:54:32 <Stskeeps> neither does the rest of us :P
Dec 17 16:55:20 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind a proper meego extras though where we can dump nice utils into though
Dec 17 16:56:00 <lcuk> arjan, the inverse is that once its in it must be supported beyond that period
Dec 17 16:56:35 <Stskeeps> ok, time to go pick up some food
Dec 17 16:57:06 <lcuk> so the ppa style personal stuff is actuallly good for letting you test and get confident with it being required whilst sorting the rest of the release engineering with heavy backing from comfortable usage in your area
Dec 17 17:13:15 <abstract3d> what is the pass for api.meego.com ?
Dec 17 17:13:44 <abstract3d> oh forget it wrong page :$
Dec 17 18:11:25 * CosmoHill is free from his assignments :D
Dec 17 19:14:05 <ni1s> hey, anyone tried meego on a eee pc 900
Dec 17 19:17:47 <lcuk> ni1s, works on other eee pcs flawlessly
Dec 17 19:17:52 <lcuk> not sure of specific models tho
Dec 17 21:03:17 <Sazius> ni1s: I've tried it on EeePC 901, worked great on that
Dec 17 21:04:22 <Sazius> not sure how much 900 and 901 differ though
Dec 17 21:10:18 <Nitial> 900 is celeron, 901 atom
Dec 17 21:21:53 <Sazius> ok, that might me significant
Dec 17 21:22:11 <Sazius> might BE that is
Dec 17 22:36:07 <lcuk> are there many http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/dn16170-snowflakes/1 falling near you guys tonight?
Dec 17 22:47:21 <vgrade> seen enough of the snow this week in .de
Dec 17 22:47:48 <CosmoHill> on the german interweb?
Dec 17 22:47:57 <vgrade> tickets for the emirates tomorrow so hope it stays clear
Dec 17 22:48:18 <vgrade> no, was in Koln
Dec 17 22:49:57 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: have you put your meego joggler onto the onboard flash?
Dec 17 22:53:45 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee2, not that brave. I've already have one U/S Joggler (my sons friend plugged in the wrong PSU cable) don't want another one
Dec 17 22:54:06 <TSCHAKeee2> awww...are they still selling the things?
Dec 17 22:54:25 * TSCHAKeee2 just wants his orbiter software running on the device..that's it
Dec 17 22:54:35 <vgrade> not seen any mention of them apart from a few popping up on ebay now and again
Dec 17 22:54:49 <TSCHAKeee2> could give two @$('ts bout the damned OpenPeak software
Dec 17 22:55:14 <vgrade> googles orbiter
Dec 17 22:55:54 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: Orbiter is our (LinuxMCE) software for house wide remote control.. it runs on all our TVs, IP and cell phones, PDAs, tablets, etc.
Dec 17 22:56:37 <TSCHAKeee2> I have a Meego-booting Orbiter running on my Archos 9 at the moment...and am getting up the courage to blast the Joggler, so I can have a nightstand orbiter.
Dec 17 22:58:30 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_UJbhollc <-- that
Dec 17 23:02:54 <CosmoHill> hey TSCHAKeee2
Dec 17 23:03:11 <TSCHAKeee2> heya CosmoHill
Dec 17 23:04:56 <vgrade> cool, I remember talking to BaBu on the A9 a few months ago.  Are you using EMGD 1.5 or the 1636 build?
Dec 17 23:05:22 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: i am using the latest one as of a couple months ago
Dec 17 23:05:28 <TSCHAKeee2> not the beta
Dec 17 23:05:48 <TSCHAKeee2> it had builds for meego 1.0 and fedora 12, in the most fucked up installer imaginable
Dec 17 23:06:53 <TSCHAKeee2> I have EVERYTHING working
Dec 17 23:06:56 <TSCHAKeee2> EXCEPT
Dec 17 23:06:58 <TSCHAKeee2> VA-API
Dec 17 23:07:00 <TSCHAKeee2> aaaagggghhhh
Dec 17 23:08:26 <vgrade> ah, yes I remember you mentioned that its built with an old lib which is not in core
Dec 17 23:08:40 <TSCHAKeee2> yup, xcb 1.0 of all things
Dec 17 23:08:45 <TSCHAKeee2> it boggles the mind
Dec 17 23:08:49 <vgrade> do you have a ks file?
Dec 17 23:08:59 <TSCHAKeee2> yes, but it's a giant hack
Dec 17 23:09:12 <TSCHAKeee2> i'll post it when i do my next build pass this weekend
Dec 17 23:09:31 <TSCHAKeee2> i literally install emgd and the touch drivers in a post image build shell in mic
Dec 17 23:10:00 <vgrade> thanks, some av500 was asking on #meego-arm
Dec 17 23:10:14 <TSCHAKeee2> oh ok :)
Dec 17 23:10:43 <vgrade> night
Dec 18 00:10:01 <Venemo> hey guys, look what I've found: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669
Dec 18 00:13:52 * lcuk applaudes Venemo_N900 for finding that link 
Dec 18 00:17:18 <Venemo> booted my Fedora to get MeeGo on my N810
Dec 18 00:25:10 <Venemo> lcuk: hm. 0 peers are seeding the MeeGo rootfs :(
Dec 18 00:27:20 <CosmoHill> why not download it from a mirror?
Dec 18 00:28:05 <lcuk> Venemo, not wise mechanism for distribution, CosmoHill is 100% right
Dec 18 00:28:09 <Venemo> can you give me a mirror?
Dec 18 00:28:26 <Venemo> will it be the same rootfs as required by this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669
Dec 18 00:29:55 <Venemo> please guys :)
Dec 18 00:30:12 <Venemo> CosmoHill: could you please point me to that mirror?
Dec 18 00:30:21 <CosmoHill> the meego rootfs is just a blank link
Dec 18 00:30:47 <Venemo> yes, because he recommends to get it via torrent, and there's a .torrent link
Dec 18 00:31:30 <CosmoHill> I see no reason why the official meego rootfs should be a torrent
Dec 18 00:32:07 <Venemo> CosmoHill: I guess the guy didn't know about the official one
Dec 18 00:32:16 <Venemo> CosmoHill: could you please point me to the official meego rootfs?
Dec 18 00:32:27 <CosmoHill> start here: http://meego.com/
Dec 18 00:32:29 <CosmoHill> I'll race you
Dec 18 00:32:59 <CosmoHill> I win
Dec 18 00:32:59 <CosmoHill> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2
Dec 18 00:33:07 <Venemo> thx
Dec 18 00:33:33 <CosmoHill> I think this is the rootfs, not being a n900 owner I wouldn't know
Dec 18 00:34:06 <Venemo> hm, this is not about an N900...
Dec 18 00:34:41 <CosmoHill> I mean the n900 is the only officially supported meego device
Dec 18 00:35:04 <CosmoHill> you're putting the n900 rootfs onto the n810 or whatever device you have?
Dec 18 00:35:38 <Venemo> CosmoHill: nope, I'm not
Dec 18 00:36:31 <CosmoHill> hmm
Dec 18 00:36:39 <Venemo> CosmoHill: found the right file
Dec 18 00:36:39 <CosmoHill> I don;t think the rootfs I linked to you will work
Dec 18 00:36:45 <Venemo> CosmoHill: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/
Dec 18 00:36:54 <CosmoHill> ah that would make sense
Dec 18 00:37:28 <Venemo> it's quite slow, but downloading
Dec 18 00:37:53 <CosmoHill> hold on
Dec 18 00:38:00 <CosmoHill> http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/meego-arm-n8x0-1.0.80.20100712.1431-sda.raw.bz2
Dec 18 00:38:02 <CosmoHill> that file?
Dec 18 00:38:36 <Venemo> seems so, but the tutorial mentions the other one
Dec 18 00:38:43 <Venemo> meego-1.0-arm-n8x0-201005270252-sda.raw.bz2
Dec 18 00:39:47 <Venemo> not sure what the difference may be
Dec 18 00:39:49 <Venemo> Stskeeps: ping
Dec 18 00:40:51 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/n8x0/
Dec 18 00:40:53 <CosmoHill> enjoy
Dec 18 00:42:43 <Venemo> well thx, but I'm already downloading from Stskeeps's site
Dec 18 00:42:54 <CosmoHill> you're in america right?
Dec 18 00:43:20 <Venemo> no
Dec 18 00:43:31 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: I gave you a US mirror for your n8x0 rootfs and kernels
Dec 18 00:43:40 <Venemo> :)
Dec 18 00:44:40 <CosmoHill> fyi it's 2:43am for him
Dec 18 00:45:45 <Venemo> right
Dec 18 00:45:57 <Venemo> it's just 01:44 here
Dec 18 00:46:03 <Venemo> well he'll read this tomorrow then
Dec 18 00:50:05 <lcuk> CosmoHill, Stskeeps Venemo - would be more practical to have an official hosting method
Dec 18 00:51:50 <Venemo> agreed lcuk
Dec 18 00:52:44 <CosmoHill> I basically provide a private mirror for anyone who says they can't download from the meego website
Dec 18 00:53:09 <Venemo> lcuk, should my PC recognize the N810 when it's powered off?
Dec 18 00:56:54 <Termana> morning
Dec 18 00:57:00 <Venemo> morning Termana
Dec 18 00:57:30 <Venemo> lcuk: plus, this file seems to be from may, it would need an update
Dec 18 00:58:04 <CosmoHill> I'd imagine Stskeeps is pretty busy
Dec 18 00:58:27 <Venemo> I could do it if he told me how to
Dec 18 01:01:10 <lcuk> CosmoHill, yeah plus its start of his holidays
Dec 18 01:01:42 <lcuk> but if people are hacking enough and preparing documentaiton and instructions for meego on dfferent devices we should find a way to make it as easy as possible to experiement
Dec 18 01:03:04 <lcuk> Venemo, no
Dec 18 01:03:11 <Venemo> hmpfh
Dec 18 01:03:19 <Venemo> the N810 doesn't want to boot into flashing mode
Dec 18 01:12:21 <CosmoHill> cyas
Dec 18 01:12:27 <lcuk> gnire CoderForLife
Dec 18 01:13:14 <CoderForLife> gn
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