**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 18 03:00:01 2010 Dec 18 06:39:07 die die die die!!!! show me bloood!!! Dec 18 06:39:22 slit your wrist! slit your throat! cut your fingers! cut your legs! cut your arms! Dec 18 06:39:26 show me bloooood Dec 18 06:39:28 chop of limbs! Dec 18 06:39:34 die die die !!! 666 666 666!!! Dec 18 06:39:35 mwahahaha Dec 18 06:39:36 aaaaaaaahahaha Dec 18 06:39:38 eeeeeeeehehehee Dec 18 06:39:39 die die Dec 18 06:42:19 * timoph wishes people would remember to take their medication Dec 18 06:54:21 * Stskeeps yawns Dec 18 06:55:26 mood groaning Dec 18 07:28:13 good morning dm8tbr Dec 18 07:51:17 huomenta Dec 18 07:52:14 hello Dec 18 07:54:36 'menta Dec 18 07:55:01 morning Dec 18 09:13:11 morning Dec 18 11:41:30 >Currently the QEMU emulator only works for IA targets on 32-bit Windows. If you are using 64-bit Windows, QEMU is not available. Dec 18 11:41:33 oh dear... Dec 18 11:42:43 on linux too, though Dec 18 11:44:26 32bit OS's are so 2001 Dec 18 11:58:36 I should probably write a test suite for this app soon Dec 18 11:59:03 As the funtionality is starting to become more complete and I can see me revising the db schema. Dec 18 12:30:45 hi guys Dec 18 12:30:49 morn Dec 18 12:31:04 good morning Stskeeps :) Dec 18 12:38:46 Stskeeps: just a quick question, are the MeeGo images here intended to run from an external SD card, or can they be made to work from the eMMC of the N810? http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-n8x0/ Dec 18 12:39:28 sd card, kernel doesn't like the n810 emmc atm Dec 18 12:39:43 :( Dec 18 12:40:22 can I help in asking the kernel to like it? Dec 18 12:40:53 check if the openwrt kernel has it Dec 18 12:42:52 can't we copy from Diablo's kernel? Dec 18 12:43:51 2.6.21 vs .35/.36, not really :) Dec 18 12:44:26 * MohammadAG copied the lp5233 driver :P Dec 18 12:44:58 okay Dec 18 12:45:31 Stskeeps: a bit of googling led me to this: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/8/4604531/thread#mid-4604531 quote: "Tested on N810. Integrated eMMC on N810 started to work with this patch." Dec 18 12:46:59 heh :) didn't know jhnikula was working on n810 stuff Dec 18 12:48:06 here is the full message with follow-ups:http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/8/4604531 there's some code in the [2/2] message too Dec 18 12:49:17 i'll honestly say i haven't done enough n8x0 work lately, n900's been taking up a lot of tme Dec 18 12:49:20 time Dec 18 12:51:06 no problem :) Dec 18 12:51:52 but the N810 seems to be a nice development machine for MeeGo if I don't want to sacrifice my phone Dec 18 12:51:57 after we have armv7hl hardfp going, i plan to have my machine at my dads chew on armv6vhl :P Dec 18 12:53:14 nom nom Dec 18 12:53:20 sorry couldn't resist :p Dec 18 12:53:25 as i know how to a proper port now Dec 18 12:54:42 Stskeeps: I was told that N8x0 hw is also capable of hardfp, is that right? Dec 18 12:54:45 it is Dec 18 12:54:46 afaik Dec 18 12:55:04 and how much of an improvement can we expect from harfp? Dec 18 12:55:07 hardfp* Dec 18 12:55:21 i hope it'll help qt a lot :P Dec 18 12:55:57 does it have that much fp calculations? Dec 18 12:56:05 well, or just passing of float values Dec 18 12:56:37 how come that this feature hasn't been utilized my any version of Maemo btw? Dec 18 12:56:52 i think there was first really proper support in gcc4.5 Dec 18 12:57:04 and there was an issue with binary compat with what everyone else uses Dec 18 12:58:17 so if I compile with a compiler that supports hardfp, it won't work together with stuff that doesn't support it yet? Dec 18 12:58:39 pretty much Dec 18 12:58:41 it's ABI incompatible Dec 18 12:58:51 you pass floating point values in the VFP registers, not in integer registers Dec 18 12:59:07 morning, anyone here? Dec 18 12:59:09 morn Dec 18 12:59:20 morning dehyde Dec 18 12:59:34 Stskeeps: understandable then Dec 18 13:00:15 I'm having some trouble loading meego from USB Dec 18 13:00:34 I get "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" Dec 18 13:00:40 and then its just stuck =\ Dec 18 13:01:55 has anyone encountered this problem in the past? Dec 18 13:06:02 Stskeeps: I dd'd the meego image to a MicroSD card. I inserted it to the N900. now I load the MeeGo kernel to it with Flasher, but instead of MeeGo, Maemo boots up. what did I do wrong? Dec 18 13:08:26 dehyde: no sorry Dec 18 13:08:29 ok, I was using -R instead of -b. now it boots Dec 18 13:09:23 now a console appears on an unilluminated N900 display, and it gets stuck Dec 18 13:09:41 give it a little time and remember to put your backcover on.. Dec 18 13:09:49 it is on Dec 18 13:11:14 VFD: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p1" Dec 18 13:11:23 VFS* Dec 18 13:11:25 hm Dec 18 13:12:15 how did you dd it? Dec 18 13:12:52 'bzcat meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.10.20101214.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | pv | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc1' Dec 18 13:13:02 maybe I did mistype something Dec 18 13:13:36 ah, that's your problem Dec 18 13:13:41 should be sdc, not sdc1 Dec 18 13:13:53 oh... okay :) Dec 18 13:14:26 will try again then Dec 18 13:14:45 it's a full image with partitions and all Dec 18 13:15:10 ok Dec 18 13:16:49 now I see this among the instructions as well Dec 18 13:18:56 okay Dec 18 13:19:00 the result is the same Dec 18 13:21:24 sfdisk /dev/sdc (after putting sd card back again) Dec 18 13:21:34 and make sure before you dd that nothing is mounted from /dev/sdc Dec 18 13:22:49 how can I check if it is mounted? Dec 18 13:23:05 'moun Dec 18 13:23:06 t Dec 18 13:23:07 ' Dec 18 13:23:07 :P Dec 18 13:23:08 umount /dev/sdc and umount /dev/sdc1 says it isn't moundted Dec 18 13:23:22 mount | grep sdc Dec 18 13:23:33 no output Dec 18 13:23:38 meaning, it is indeed not mounted Dec 18 13:23:39 then it's not mounted Dec 18 13:23:53 Stskeeps: did you get my message about the US mirror? Dec 18 13:24:26 CosmoHill: yes, but it's already in the US Dec 18 13:24:27 :P Dec 18 13:24:35 I can take it down if you want Dec 18 13:24:45 Stskeeps: what should I do with fsdisk? Dec 18 13:24:57 Venemo: sfdisk -l /dev/sdc i mean Dec 18 13:25:04 see if there's actually three partitions as intended Dec 18 13:25:20 Stskeeps: http://fpaste.org/kP44/ Dec 18 13:25:33 seems to me that something is not okay Dec 18 13:25:38 yeah, that's not right Dec 18 13:26:03 bzip2 -dc *.raw.bz2 > /dev/sdc works for me Dec 18 13:26:09 make sure nothing's mounted as usual Dec 18 13:26:45 bzip2 -dc meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.10.20101214.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 > /dev/sdc ? Dec 18 13:26:59 right Dec 18 13:27:02 okay Dec 18 13:27:06 trying it right now Dec 18 13:27:46 btw, does this image have the hardfp stuff yet, or not? Dec 18 13:33:47 no Dec 18 13:33:51 will be a january thing Dec 18 13:34:20 Stskeeps: http://fpaste.org/7OMp/ Dec 18 13:34:52 Stskeeps: and here's the sfdisk output, http://fpaste.org/OS4u/ Dec 18 13:36:18 Venemo: how big is that sd card? Dec 18 13:36:37 2 GB Dec 18 13:36:47 might not be big enough Dec 18 13:37:23 huh Dec 18 13:37:59 is MeeGo really this much bigger than Maemo? Dec 18 13:38:15 it's a little fatter, yes, but keep in mind we don't have a emmc to dump content to Dec 18 13:38:29 yep, I get it Dec 18 13:38:51 we're dragging it fairly close to what some sd card makers call '2gb' which is actually a little lower than needed Dec 18 13:39:54 mhm Dec 18 13:41:15 well I don't have another SD card, so I guess I'll try it later then Dec 18 13:42:57 Stskeeps: thx for your help Dec 18 13:43:08 np Dec 18 13:45:43 Stskeeps: this issue btw leads to another question, will the size of the N810's eMMC be enough? Dec 18 13:51:01 Morning, all Dec 18 13:51:26 morn Dec 18 13:51:32 Venemo: dunno yet Dec 18 14:27:20 Hello, just following news for meego:) Dec 18 14:27:59 welcome Dec 18 14:30:09 hi folks. anyone used the phonet passthrough mode on n900 yet? Dec 18 14:30:30 on meego-n900? Dec 18 14:30:41 e.g. Dec 18 14:31:01 i have problems getting modem answers here Dec 18 14:31:12 with maemo it answers, with our stack not Dec 18 14:31:18 so, i'll have to ask what's phonet passthrough mode and i might be able to ask :P Dec 18 14:31:24 ah Dec 18 14:31:30 do you use ofono? that has a pretty decent solution Dec 18 14:31:34 yes and no Dec 18 14:31:39 the problem is one layer below Dec 18 14:31:46 kernel version? Dec 18 14:32:11 2.6.28 here. we send ISI commands from the host to the device which appear on the device, but the device doesn't answer Dec 18 14:32:27 so there might be a missing link between upnlink0 and phonet0 Dec 18 14:32:41 ah, no clue, we're on .35-36 in meego-n900 Dec 18 14:32:47 and host being? Dec 18 14:32:50 a PC Dec 18 14:32:59 something connected to the device via USB Dec 18 14:33:11 ah Dec 18 14:33:34 i thought only pnatd was attached and rest's just flasher stuff answering Dec 18 14:33:57 right, pnatd is for emulating an AT command set and using /dev/ttyACM0 Dec 18 14:34:05 we're trying to communicate with the natural protocol Dec 18 14:34:07 right Dec 18 14:34:09 i.e. ISI Dec 18 14:34:20 which is what ofono does as well Dec 18 14:34:32 through usb, too? Dec 18 14:34:34 yes Dec 18 14:34:37 hrm, ok Dec 18 14:34:43 only that we have problems configuring the n900 side Dec 18 14:34:50 when we're not running the stock os Dec 18 14:35:04 so since you're not running the stock os either i thought i'd ask here :) Dec 18 14:35:16 well, we're running ofono and later kernels, so ;) Dec 18 14:35:25 * Stskeeps doesn't really understand why people stay on .28.. Dec 18 14:35:47 hmm, according to my developers, there's some crucial parts missing Dec 18 14:36:07 DVFS was one keyword, though i don't know what that is Dec 18 14:36:25 anyways Dec 18 14:36:28 at least basic PM's in .36 or .37 i believe, we have it working now i believe Dec 18 14:36:29 it's not the kernel version Dec 18 14:36:46 X-Fade, is there a delay between building a package on OBS and publishing it to my home repo? Dec 18 14:36:48 i don't know enough about the closed modem stack sadly, so wouldn't know what to answer :) Dec 18 14:36:55 ok, thanks anyways Dec 18 14:36:56 smoku: it publishes when the repo's build cycle is over Dec 18 14:37:42 ahoy! Dec 18 14:37:46 Stskeeps, which repo? mine? I have no builds in progress ATM Dec 18 14:37:57 smoku: check status page for publisher status Dec 18 14:38:03 anybody wants to help a complete noob? Dec 18 14:38:11 <--- (a complete noob) Dec 18 14:39:34 meego won't boot/install from USB Dec 18 14:39:41 what device? Dec 18 14:39:57 eeepc 1201n Dec 18 14:40:04 does it have an atom processor? Dec 18 14:40:14 core2duo Dec 18 14:40:29 what gfx chip? Dec 18 14:40:34 ION Dec 18 14:40:42 ah, so nvidia Dec 18 14:40:48 yah Dec 18 14:40:48 meego doesn't support nvidia out of the box, sorry Dec 18 14:40:59 the drivers are closed source, so Dec 18 14:41:25 agh damn Dec 18 14:41:55 Stskeeps, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos looks ok Dec 18 14:41:56 how come ubuntu manage to support nVidia? Dec 18 14:43:11 dehyde: they have something that works as base and then offers to download closed source drivers Dec 18 14:43:33 ah.. ok Dec 18 14:43:44 which gfx card does meego support? Dec 18 14:43:58 mostly intel's stuff, excepting gma50 Dec 18 14:43:59 0 Dec 18 14:46:05 well.. thanks stskeeps! Dec 18 15:10:15 lcuk: we've had an inch of snow this afternoon Dec 18 15:40:11 hi. I have installed meego to my n900 Dec 18 15:40:29 attempted to connect to my home wireless network, but mistyped the password Dec 18 15:40:38 how to erase that wrong connection? Dec 18 15:43:46 does meego support wpa2 at all? Dec 18 15:47:47 patrakov: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=221 << about WPA2, read post #5 Dec 18 15:49:19 the ssid is not hidden Dec 18 15:51:09 does it show in /var/lib/connman/default.profile Dec 18 15:52:03 is it to me? Dec 18 15:52:10 yep Dec 18 15:52:17 patrakov: yeah, connman is what handles wifi Dec 18 15:52:56 can't check now - the whole interface crashes, reflashed back to the default kernel Dec 18 15:52:58 patrakov: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004603.html << in regards to ConnMan and WPA2 (albeit WPA2 Enterprise) Dec 18 15:53:42 patrakov: you can connect to it from your linux box through usb network Dec 18 15:53:49 erstazi: are you saying that the problem is just in the gui-based configurator? Dec 18 15:54:21 (btw, I have only WPA2 PSK here, not Enterprise) Dec 18 15:55:00 connect the usb cable and set usb0 interface from pc something like 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up' Dec 18 15:55:30 the device's ip through usb is 192.168.2.15 Dec 18 15:55:53 root's password should be meego Dec 18 15:55:59 timoph: ok Dec 18 15:56:43 will do so after figuring out the easy way to dual-boot maemo and meego (now using flasher to switch kernels, as u-boot didn't work for me) Dec 18 15:57:07 k Dec 18 16:00:00 installed uboot-pr13 Dec 18 16:00:55 "unable to read uimage from mmc0:3" - what does it mean, and where should I copy uimage? Dec 18 17:01:08 :/ my obs repo is still missing :/ Dec 18 17:01:55 publish flag on? Dec 18 17:02:23 yes Dec 18 17:02:44 i even have a truck icon beside armv7el succeeded: 2 Dec 18 17:03:05 then it really should have been published Dec 18 17:03:44 home:smoku:streak is published, home:smoku:archos is not :/ Dec 18 17:03:49 http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/smoku:/ Dec 18 17:05:36 is "Build Service" in bugzilla the internal OBS? Dec 18 17:05:49 it assigns to anas.nashif@intel.com so I guess so... Dec 18 17:06:06 that's internal obs Dec 18 17:06:12 poke lbt and x-fade Dec 18 17:06:59 pong Dec 18 17:07:24 lbt, hi. could you help me with my OBS issue? Dec 18 17:07:39 mmm Dec 18 17:07:53 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10918 Dec 18 17:08:00 (FYI) Dec 18 17:08:23 so what's up smoku ? Dec 18 17:08:56 lbt, priv. (let's not trash the chan) Dec 18 17:09:07 or you don't like priv? Dec 18 17:09:18 well, more people see and learn if we stay in chan Dec 18 17:09:25 and it's certainly on-topic :) Dec 18 17:09:53 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos has two repositories published Dec 18 17:10:00 but there is no http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/smoku:/archos/ Dec 18 17:11:01 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aarchos says they're published Dec 18 17:16:08 rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1515) [sender=3.0.6] Dec 18 17:22:02 lbt, that looks baaaad Dec 18 17:22:12 it's not 'good' Dec 18 17:27:19 lcuk: my neighbour needs to take a running start to get his car on the drive way Dec 18 17:27:33 CosmoHill, o_O Dec 18 17:27:38 cos of the snow Dec 18 17:27:48 i saw a video a couple of days ago about someone trying that Dec 18 17:27:52 then sliding back down Dec 18 17:28:24 if he had a new car with this new fangled traction control and weighed more he'd be fine Dec 18 17:31:32 more weight should suffice ;-) Dec 18 17:32:03 he has a 1981 BWM 318i Dec 18 17:32:07 *320i Dec 18 17:32:12 so not much weight Dec 18 17:34:48 BMW sux Dec 18 17:34:58 best car ever is Fiat 126p Dec 18 17:35:26 he bought it brand new Dec 18 17:38:47 for snow you simply want weight on the drive axle Dec 18 17:40:09 yep, my point being that older cars are lighter Dec 18 17:41:50 put a keg of beer in the trunk :) Dec 18 17:42:05 that's just what you want the police to find in there Dec 18 17:42:08 older cars lighter ? in what country Dec 18 17:42:17 europe :) Dec 18 17:42:23 ahh Dec 18 17:42:57 newer european cars are smaller on the inside and larger outside Dec 18 17:43:19 lots of padding and electronics and stuff to improve and lengthen your life Dec 18 17:43:19 damn predestine safety Dec 18 17:43:33 same here in the us the walls got thicker Dec 18 17:43:49 more metal in the sides Dec 18 17:43:51 but drivers are so isolated from the car, they don't know whats going on Dec 18 17:44:08 and roof pillars Dec 18 17:44:16 berndhs: you mean fly by wire? Dec 18 17:44:21 so true they are driving more aloof than ever Dec 18 17:44:26 yes, that and sound insulation Dec 18 17:44:37 cant feel or hear what it does Dec 18 17:44:44 my pickup is fly by wore Dec 18 17:44:48 wire Dec 18 17:44:49 until you hit something :) Dec 18 17:45:26 yepyep and a chevy minivan dont make much sound till it lands Dec 18 17:45:38 my car was made in 1995, carboretta (or however you spell it) :) Dec 18 17:46:10 any good ? Dec 18 17:46:18 yeah I think it's cool Dec 18 17:46:44 brakes haven't worked properly since they changed them at the dealer ship in 2001 but it stops :) Dec 18 17:46:52 "cool" and "any good" are not necessarily the same thing :) Dec 18 17:47:05 ha Dec 18 17:47:06 it's lowish and doesn't roll much :) Dec 18 17:47:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Almera#N15_.281995.E2.80.932000.29 Dec 18 17:47:52 i had a 66 mustang and a 79 chevy monza, both cool but terrible Dec 18 17:57:30 I can imagine that if I'm ever in an accident, the airbag will go off WHILST I'm trying to get out of the car Dec 18 17:58:41 yeah, but then you will be sure it worked Dec 18 18:03:48 smoku: done Dec 18 18:05:34 lbt, thanks :) Dec 18 18:06:25 smoku: lbt's got a point there. I just set up - for now only testing - an internal OBS for my employer. :) Dec 18 18:09:10 FYI dm8tbr this was bs_publish ... so the /srv/obs/log/publisher.log on the backend complained. The issue seems to be that rsync using a module needs a 'blank' passwd to be entered Dec 18 18:09:28 I don't know why this changed... must ask X-Fade sometime Dec 18 18:09:45 food ... bbl8r Dec 18 18:09:48 * dm8tbr tries to memorize Dec 18 18:09:51 enjoy Dec 18 18:57:47 andre__: who do i poke to get stale bugs poked? e.g. bug 2644 Dec 18 18:57:51 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 nor, Low, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, post-build-checks-1.0.tar.bz2 contains patches which is a symlink outside of the tarball root direct Dec 18 18:58:22 timeless_mbp, same as in every other bugtracker Dec 18 18:58:41 andre__: in bugs.maemo.org you + qgil were the people to poke Dec 18 18:59:18 timeless_mbp: bug assignee, people are too spread in too many companies for anyone to poke them in a hard manner Dec 18 18:59:21 :P Dec 18 18:59:30 usually bumping the issue or a direct mail works Dec 18 18:59:44 Stskeeps: i find generally bumping someone at the right company works Dec 18 18:59:59 i don't like being forced to be seen as the bad guy by directly spamming people Dec 18 19:00:09 meh, it's a community, send one :) Dec 18 19:00:11 * timeless_mbp would rather andre__ or qgil be seen as the bad guy Dec 18 19:00:14 * Stskeeps does that, personally Dec 18 19:00:14 :) Dec 18 19:00:20 "don't be that guy" Dec 18 19:00:20 :P Dec 18 19:01:42 timeless_mbp, I'm not somebody to poke in MeeGo. ;-) Dec 18 19:02:22 andre__: isn't it great? :> Dec 18 19:02:50 Yeah, but I'm afraid it won't remain like this ;-) Dec 18 19:02:53 hehe Dec 18 19:04:49 heh Dec 18 19:25:52 lbt, ping Dec 18 19:26:14 lcuk: pong Dec 18 19:26:22 \o hey Dec 18 19:26:30 o/ ho Dec 18 19:26:40 i have something thats rolling around my head, i keep trying to write a mail to -dev but cannot word it correctly Dec 18 19:27:04 its relating to package repositories and the difference in the way debian does it Dec 18 19:27:20 (after learning about debian repositories in detail in recent months) Dec 18 19:27:59 what would be a blocker to using debian repository format style (with all packages in a single pool and releases based on those) Dec 18 19:28:05 hehe Dec 18 19:28:09 whilst retaining rpm obviously Dec 18 19:28:25 I gently proposed that to the re team in dublin Dec 18 19:28:35 good :) Dec 18 19:29:00 the point then was to ease replication Dec 18 19:29:40 but the problem is that making meego images is "too hard" Dec 18 19:29:49 yeah Dec 18 19:30:00 ie too many numpties Dec 18 19:30:02 but the too hard part is a different level to how the repositories are laid out? Dec 18 19:30:09 correct... Dec 18 19:30:17 what would be the benefit though ? Dec 18 19:31:08 so much less folder tree duplication Dec 18 19:31:20 and confusion as to exactly which build was gotten? Dec 18 19:32:08 yeah ... but, TBH, I'm not sure it's worth spending time on Dec 18 19:32:24 sure Dec 18 19:32:25 the core release team don't seem to be very accessible Dec 18 19:32:50 its just food for thought and whether any alternatives can be brought up from it Dec 18 19:32:50 so even if a solution was found *I* feel it likely that it'd be hard to gain traction Dec 18 19:33:17 lbt: i think peter/rolla/chris/etc are basically it, so they're able to be talked to Dec 18 19:33:18 there's a lot that could be done Dec 18 19:33:25 lbt, thankfully with a community Dec 18 19:33:26 at least according to the notes i see laying about Dec 18 19:33:41 Stskeeps: I guess I just don't see any discussion on anything Dec 18 19:33:41 just because me, you or any of the teams are busy Dec 18 19:33:47 as you mention in your recent email Dec 18 19:33:51 does not mean someone could come along with skills and knowledge to try :) Dec 18 19:33:59 I guess it's all private email with no ml cc Dec 18 19:34:06 lbt: well, this isn't stuff i've picked up on CC, it's actually been from wiki Dec 18 19:34:08 lcuk: completely agree Dec 18 19:34:26 Stskeeps: so where was the discussion (if any) before it went to the wiki? Dec 18 19:34:41 lbt: well, i was more talking about how images are generated and so on rather Dec 18 19:34:50 again, I'm prepared to acept that I have quite poor vis at the minute Dec 18 19:34:53 so i'm talking about that those people are possible to talk to :P Dec 18 19:35:11 *nod* ... just feeling cynical :) Dec 18 19:35:16 * Chani blinks Dec 18 19:35:21 and meego-releases@ has a decent amount of content and occasional arguments Dec 18 19:35:21 :P Dec 18 19:35:34 I can only be bothered to work on things where I have some power to make stuff happen Dec 18 19:35:35 am I the only one having trouble telling lbt and lcuk apart? :) Dec 18 19:35:40 Chani: yes Dec 18 19:35:43 Chani: lcuk smokes, lbt doesn't Dec 18 19:35:43 :P Dec 18 19:35:45 Chani, i am the better looking :P Dec 18 19:35:48 haha Dec 18 19:35:55 lbt has curly hair and no beard also Dec 18 19:36:05 * lbt has a beard Dec 18 19:36:08 today Dec 18 19:36:14 proto beard :P Dec 18 19:36:20 working from home does that ;) Dec 18 19:36:27 heh Dec 18 19:36:58 but... I just found that the OBS publisher is still broken ... bbiab Dec 18 19:37:03 \o Dec 18 19:37:29 lbt, I will add some of these notes potentially to that draft mail and put it onto -dev ML? Dec 18 19:37:42 make sure you look to the objectives Dec 18 19:37:58 ok Dec 18 19:38:02 and how it works for mirrors Dec 18 19:38:33 lcuk: i'm personally unconvinced of benefits of it, because i only see negative things atm Dec 18 19:38:43 one problem is that you'd need to mirror and then run a script Dec 18 19:38:49 Stskeeps, yeah, its just fodder Dec 18 19:39:09 * Stskeeps personally likes being able to mirror just-one meego release with one rsync command.. Dec 18 19:39:13 :P Dec 18 19:39:13 at least looking for a way to reduce the duplication Dec 18 19:39:19 * lcuk nods Dec 18 19:39:21 I think that it may be worth having a pool to allow high traffic mirrors Dec 18 19:39:31 if it lives in a different space Dec 18 19:39:50 kernel.org are slightly unhappy with how much disk we're eating Dec 18 19:40:09 and we hit our bandwidth limits on release days which hurt Dec 18 19:40:37 maybe look at jigdo Dec 18 19:40:49 ah, that explains why daily images are on download.meego.com/ Dec 18 19:40:53 (kernel.org) Dec 18 19:41:21