**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 21 02:59:58 2010 Dec 21 05:42:15 hi. i want to debug on mobility code on meego sdk, any pointers on how can i get the mobility source code on meego sdk? Dec 21 05:45:11 http://qt.nokia.com/products/qt-addons/mobility ? Dec 21 05:45:40 though it may already be packaged and therefore available as a source package too Dec 21 05:47:57 thanks for the link i got the source code from rpm package from repo.meego.com itself but when i try to install it using rpm it says "rpm command not found" Dec 21 05:48:40 hmm can't help there, I've not used the sdk, only the image builder Dec 21 05:51:16 sumanth: did you install in simulator? Dec 21 05:52:14 yes i have meego 1.1 sdk on my ubuntu machine there i want to install soruce code and build it Dec 21 05:52:58 sumanth: and you have installed the command of 'rpm' Dec 21 05:56:23 hlzxy: i have rpm installed.. but it says i have to use alien command Dec 21 05:56:52 if use alien in my command it says mad not found Dec 21 05:57:01 sumanth: you want use command 'rpmbuild ' or 'build' to build it ? show your command please Dec 21 05:58:10 sudo mad -t rpm --install Dec 21 06:02:23 sumanth: you can try : add '--force-debian' to the end Dec 21 06:02:45 thanks will try using it Dec 21 06:27:38 yoyo Dec 21 06:31:51 A fart in a glass is still a fart! Dec 21 06:37:33 thank you for staying in channel topic Dec 21 07:25:04 hi, Dec 21 07:26:27 anybody here? Dec 21 07:27:02 sure, in various states of awareness Dec 21 07:34:42 any suggest to hack meego kernel 1st? I mean "debug" Dec 21 08:33:52 vgrade: No, not yet. Lots of friends say it's excellent, though Dec 21 10:30:49 morning Dec 21 10:37:11 which are the available meeog handsets? Dec 21 10:41:27 MeeGo can run on the Nokia N900 Dec 21 10:48:02 someone know libkok integrated to meego repo? Dec 21 10:58:35 dcthang: you can check repo.meego.com Dec 21 10:59:09 CosmoHill: yes, Ijust found it. Thanks :) Dec 21 11:07:53 Hi. Is there any way by which i can make rpm download & install all dependancies automatically like dpkg Dec 21 11:08:48 yes, zypper Dec 21 11:09:07 sumanth: I don't think dpkg does it either Dec 21 11:09:16 rpm and dpkg are packages Dec 21 11:09:16 you're mixing dpkg/rpm with apt/yum/zypper Dec 21 11:09:24 apt-get manages the dpkg packages Dec 21 11:10:16 yeah sorry i meant apt Dec 21 11:17:02 I'm hoping to remove the default menu from the IVI image. Dec 21 11:17:15 Does anyone have any recommendations on the best way to do that? Dec 21 11:17:38 I don't want to permanently remove the code, just test another interface Dec 21 11:19:37 I see that zypper cannot list all files inside a package Dec 21 11:20:38 rpm can Dec 21 11:23:42 jeremiah, that was partly reason for http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Dec 21 11:27:28 I'll go read that :) Dec 21 11:28:46 lcuk: It seems very handset / desktop specific. Dec 21 11:28:53 I'll create something for IVI Dec 21 11:30:05 jeremiah, that was the idea when we filed bug 10874 Dec 21 11:30:07 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, VERI FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup Dec 21 11:31:27 lcuk: What was the idea? To have a desktop switching tool for IVI or just for handset? Dec 21 11:31:58 jeremiah, being able to switch between available UXes Dec 21 11:32:34 so if (for instance) someone has netbook and handset and IVI installed they could switch Dec 21 11:37:03 Hmm. Dec 21 11:37:18 That is going to be hard. And I don't think that the bug should be closed Dec 21 11:37:36 Since there is no instructions on how to switch to the IVI interface for example. Dec 21 11:37:56 reopen it then, I closed it because it proved the concept Dec 21 11:38:10 and worked for the offered ones Dec 21 11:38:32 the wiki page shows how it can be done and you can add to it since you have IVI experience Dec 21 11:39:38 I am investigating how to do this Dec 21 11:39:57 roger Dec 21 11:40:00 I'll document this and then integrate it into that page you've created. :) Dec 21 11:40:45 jeremiah, \o great Dec 21 12:08:43 anyone know if qgil got any further with his quest? http://twitter.com/quimgil/status/16932638845571072 Dec 21 12:20:31 I'm wondering whether there are any 7" ARM devices using the Tablet image Dec 21 12:21:00 lardman, which tablet image? Dec 21 12:21:15 sorry UI Dec 21 12:21:18 tablet ui stuff Dec 21 12:21:40 at least no commercial devices AFAIK Dec 21 12:21:43 yes, which specifically Dec 21 12:21:52 ? Dec 21 12:21:54 lcuk: any Dec 21 12:21:55 lardman: there is the a70. ask pupnik Dec 21 12:22:05 dm8tbr: ok cheers Dec 21 12:22:20 held back by bug 5616 ofc Dec 21 12:22:20 archos 70 I take it that is? Dec 21 12:22:22 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled Dec 21 12:22:32 yes Dec 21 12:22:42 we have a tablet image? Dec 21 12:23:08 thats what I was wondering Stskeeps Dec 21 12:23:21 likewise Dec 21 12:25:37 There is no open tablet UI in the MeeGo project at this time Dec 21 12:26:27 hmm, no gps and no forward facing camera Dec 21 12:26:32 Besides, haven't you heard Dec 21 12:26:43 SANTA DOESN'T GIVE PRESENTS TO NAUGHTY CHILDREN Dec 21 12:26:45 :p Dec 21 12:27:04 handset works well on the ideapad and will obviously evolve more I expect Dec 21 12:27:31 ideapad is intel atom though isn't it? Dec 21 12:27:38 *nod* Dec 21 12:27:44 so? Dec 21 12:27:57 lcuk, at this stage, every other "tablet" device uses the same UI as it's phone counterpart - I see no reason why this really couldn't be the case for MeeGo Dec 21 12:27:57 battery life...? Dec 21 12:28:31 Termana: though the Android lot are moaning about that very fact Dec 21 12:28:52 Termana, yeah but theres certain oddities with the UX, certainly for hybrid devices Dec 21 12:29:15 * tzorvas wants an AAVA from santa Dec 21 12:29:36 lardman: I don't hear the Apple lot moaning, and I have to be honest I haven't really seen anyone moan about it for android, but it's possible Dec 21 12:29:58 fair enough Dec 21 12:30:25 lcuk, particularly I think the fact that the multitasking view can spread out into a grid ala Maemo's multitasking view would look good on a tablet. Dec 21 12:30:29 tzorvas: AAVA? Dec 21 12:30:44 Hi, anybody has some experience running/using gst-dsp plugins in a beagleboard? Dec 21 12:30:51 xxtjaxx: http://www.aavamobile.com/ Dec 21 12:31:01 Termana, yeah handset task switching is tiring Dec 21 12:31:24 there is two modes in code afaik Dec 21 12:31:40 yeah Stskeeps I heard too Dec 21 12:31:40 activatable with multitouch gesture, i think Dec 21 12:31:42 That's what I meant, the fact that you could switch to the grid Dec 21 12:31:50 (already there) Dec 21 12:31:50 Stskeeps, well the ideapad is MT Dec 21 12:31:57 so once we get drivers up and running Dec 21 12:31:59 can test that Dec 21 12:32:16 unless theres a way now to activate? Dec 21 12:32:37 lcuk, hack the code to make it be the default? Dec 21 12:33:30 hopefully not a code hack required? Dec 21 12:33:43 but we could followup and find out Dec 21 12:34:39 felipec, are you working with gst-dsp plugins? Dec 21 12:34:51 hello everyone Dec 21 12:34:52 xharada: hi Dec 21 12:35:02 yup, I'm the main developer Dec 21 12:35:09 interesting though fringe like Dec 21 12:35:25 quick question, Im getting the following error " from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstDspVDec:dspvdec0: couldn't start node" Dec 21 12:35:49 Im already loaded mailbox and bridgedriver, do you know what is missing? Dec 21 12:36:09 Im using the binaries provided in your project, and gst-dsp-0.7 Dec 21 12:36:09 felipec, does your dsp stuff bring you close to bug 10532 by any random chance (or does it impede you) Dec 21 12:36:12 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, Medium, ---, yan.i.li, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook Dec 21 12:36:13 xharada: the socket node is present? is it capable of playing the clip? Dec 21 12:36:54 lcup, dsp is mostly a omap3 thing in this regard Dec 21 12:37:31 im using the plugin directly in the pipeline filesrc location=/home/meego/dump.vid ! dspvdec ! filesink location=testttt Dec 21 12:37:50 lcuk: yeah... OMAP3 C64x+ DSP Dec 21 12:37:52 i thought so Stskeeps but you never know :) Dec 21 12:38:19 does the bridge spit out messages to dmesg still? Dec 21 12:38:25 xharada: that won't work Dec 21 12:38:50 Should I open the socket before start the pipeline? How? using that dynreg? Dec 21 12:39:00 Someone really ought to slap whoever named the bug like that. "meegoconf netbook" shouldn't be in the bug tracker to indicate what the piece of hardware is Dec 21 12:39:09 filesrc would dump buffers of 4K, the decoder needs a frame per buffer Dec 21 12:39:38 xharada: you need a demuxer: filesrc location=test.avi ! avidemux ! dspvdec ! fakesink Dec 21 12:39:45 interesting, then, I should use the h264parse before Dec 21 12:40:18 xharada: if it's a raw H.264 yeah Dec 21 12:40:41 but don't trust h264parse so much; it's not so widely used Dec 21 12:41:36 xharada, ok. Tested here and doesnt worked, in fact, im try to use it in a mpegtsdemux pipeline. filesrc location=/home/meego/dump.ts ! mpegtsdemux program-number=59224 ! h264parse ! dspvdec ! filesink Dec 21 12:42:27 but, that error "couldn't start node" is related to buffer size? Dec 21 12:42:48 Im wondering if I missing something in the DSP initialization Dec 21 12:43:55 felipec, Im getting the following errors in dmesg: procwrap_detach: deprecated dspbridge ioctl Dec 21 12:43:56 xharada: mpegtsdemux would be demuxer, then you don't need the h264parse Dec 21 12:44:15 xharada: are you sure it's a main profile stream? Dec 21 12:44:36 xharada: ignore that warning Dec 21 12:45:03 how can i have aava mobile device? Dec 21 12:45:29 felipec, hhmm, maybe is it a baseline profile Dec 21 12:47:22 felipec, do you have any sample file that I can use to test? That way I can test if the dsp config in may board is ok Dec 21 12:47:35 after that, I can test if my pipeline is fine Dec 21 12:49:06 xharada: I would use ffmpeg to convert a random clip: ffmpeg -i foo.mp4 -s qvga test.avi Dec 21 12:49:24 it would generate an MPEG-4 clip that should be easy to play Dec 21 12:49:52 then: filesrc ! avidemux ! dspvdec ! xvimagesink should work? Dec 21 12:52:15 felipec, thanks. One last question, Is there some way to use the dsp with a normal user (meego user), instead of the root user? When Im trying to use the dspvdec in a pipeline with meego_user, the following error happens: dsp init failed Dec 21 12:53:08 xharada: set up udev rules i guess Dec 21 12:53:59 Stskeeps, thanks Dec 21 13:08:33 Is there any way to clear out the old packages in /var/cache/zypp/packages/{foo} ? Dec 21 13:08:59 I'm not sure why all that older cruft is kept around the system - is there a reason for multiple packages to be there? Dec 21 13:09:05 zypper clean? Dec 21 13:09:11 xharada: it should work as user... if not, then there's something wrong with udev rules Dec 21 13:09:20 ah, cool. :) Dec 21 13:09:22 changing the permissions of /dev/DspBridge might do the trick Dec 21 13:10:02 X-Fade: Yeah - that gave me 800 Megs back! Yay! Dec 21 13:10:03 Thanks Dec 21 13:11:14 felipec, thanks, that worked too Dec 21 13:11:47 Signature verification failed for file 'repomd.xml' from repository 'handset'. Dec 21 13:11:55 ^^ Is this a known problem? Dec 21 13:19:33 felipec, just test it here with a file, and Im getting a new error now: map_buffer: buffer not aligned and gstdsp_got_error: algo error. Dec 21 13:19:59 thats normal? Dec 21 13:20:24 It seems just a file issue, so, the DSP is working correclty? Dec 21 13:20:45 xharada: the kernel needs to be configured without CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_CACHE_LINE_CHECK Dec 21 13:29:09 felipec, thanks. Just that config parameter must be uncheck in the kernel? what about the mempool, timeout and other stuff, should I change any of thoses too? Dec 21 13:30:01 xharada: I think CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_DEBUG might cause issues in latest kernels, CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_RECOVERY=y is a must Dec 21 13:30:15 CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_MEMPOOL_SIZE=0x600000 is also important Dec 21 13:30:19 the rest can be off Dec 21 13:30:50 felipec, great. I'll re-create the kernel now :) Dec 21 15:02:54 fabo++ Dec 21 15:03:00 hehe.... "rpm changelog format : invented to ensure that amazon's mechanical turk has plenty of parsing work to do" Dec 21 15:04:41 :O lbt Dec 21 15:04:44 where did you read that Dec 21 15:04:47 cos its quite awesome Dec 21 15:05:14 my own summary of just how 'special' rpm is Dec 21 15:06:10 yeah Dec 21 15:06:22 lbt, are you keeping notes about all this Dec 21 15:06:44 meh... no-one cares Dec 21 15:07:02 don't we have to care? at least to some degree? Dec 21 15:07:55 I tried Dec 21 15:09:22 lbt, you have a beer waiting in #meego-bar Dec 21 15:09:41 it's salty with my tears... Dec 21 15:09:54 :( thats not good Dec 21 15:10:22 I'm looking at Nokia's QA process and it's cool ... but then I look at what lies beneath... Dec 21 15:11:00 lbt, is this specific rpm issues or contents of the packages themselves Dec 21 15:11:10 it's all kinds of crap Dec 21 15:11:21 I'm only looking at changelogs at the moment Dec 21 15:11:29 they have no meaningful version # Dec 21 15:11:34 that's problem number 1 Dec 21 15:11:45 they have no format for the headers Dec 21 15:11:54 yeah, at least in debian there is a specific requirement Dec 21 15:12:02 it's not hard, really Dec 21 15:12:22 the changelogs change over time Dec 21 15:12:31 ie old entries are edited or removed Dec 21 15:12:46 is it something that treams can retroactively run over and cure "within reason" and to fill in at least some of the blanks? Dec 21 15:13:00 lbt - heh thats not just an rpm thing Dec 21 15:13:16 someone on maemo was uploading package to maemo.org and was wiping out changelog each time Dec 21 15:13:23 no. but packaging is one of the points where we get serious about QA Dec 21 15:13:35 of course Dec 21 15:14:12 packaging quality is very hard, not least because the packaging activity is in a sense separate from the base source Dec 21 15:14:29 having very good changelogs with clean versions is super important with the obs branching and duplications I gather Dec 21 15:15:13 ... what I mean is, changelogs could capture version control commits in theory Dec 21 15:15:28 but those aren't necessarily the same as the changes made in packaging Dec 21 15:15:54 mwichmann: we can't even specify a changelog header http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#Changelogs Dec 21 15:16:06 we can't even get the version number into the changelog ! Dec 21 15:16:14 this isn't "hard" Dec 21 15:16:20 it's lazy Dec 21 15:16:26 it's "SEP" Dec 21 15:16:45 and the closed nature of MeeGo means it doesn't get fixed Dec 21 15:17:01 closed = in a physical room somewhere Dec 21 15:17:35 I've brought this up several times ... aran patted me on the head and said that "it's complex, don't worry" Dec 21 15:18:01 no-one replies on the mailing list Dec 21 15:18:08 lbt, have you found any packages which do it right Dec 21 15:18:17 all the ones in debian Dec 21 15:18:34 i mean now, here, in meego Dec 21 15:18:38 and oddly .... most debian-based devs Dec 21 15:18:41 are the reference applications following the reference Dec 21 15:18:50 the reference sucks Dec 21 15:19:38 OK - there are only 2 main issues: the version number is only a partial version # Dec 21 15:19:46 the header format is freeform Dec 21 15:20:11 we have a spec for writing bug # and almost everyone ignores it Dec 21 15:20:32 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines#External_References Dec 21 15:21:26 * lcuk hmms Dec 21 15:21:52 someone looked at BMC# and thought ... "oh, damn, a bug# that's unlikely to be confusing to vendors working with MeeGo - I'll use a much more generic #FEA for features" Dec 21 15:21:55 lbt: revoke their commit rights, require them to send patches for changes untill they get their act together :) Dec 21 15:22:11 jonnor: I'm talking about the release engineering team Dec 21 15:22:33 don't worry.... you won't find them on #meego so they won't shout at me :D Dec 21 15:22:39 lbt, specific examples? (with url to the git) Dec 21 15:22:47 git? Dec 21 15:22:53 same principle, you just have to make someone else do it Dec 21 15:22:54 you think we keep changes in git? Dec 21 15:23:08 heh, that would be way to sensible Dec 21 15:23:28 VCS has been rejected. Mails with patches please... and no version control of the patches either! Dec 21 15:23:40 WHAT Dec 21 15:23:44 much easier to do distributed development like that Dec 21 15:23:59 oh but VCS is ok as long as it is quilt... Dec 21 15:24:06 indeed Dec 21 15:24:07 or one of those other teerrible ones Dec 21 15:24:24 you know, the ones that only packagers understand Dec 21 15:26:42 * lbt goes for a walk Dec 21 15:43:15 lbt at least in the case of handset photo app, specific code changes are made live on git ( http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo?page=1 ) then imported to obs and used ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-October/007229.html ) Dec 21 15:45:06 lcuk: that's pretty standard but the problem as i understand it is there is no sensible way of relating a particular package version to a particular git revision Dec 21 15:45:23 ali1234, of course Dec 21 15:45:26 thats to be expected Dec 21 15:45:31 or indeed of relating a changelog entry to an rpm Dec 21 15:45:38 lcuk: really there should be a packaging branch or project too Dec 21 15:45:46 lcuk: riding a bike in the snow is so werid Dec 21 15:46:01 lcuk: it's to be expected? really? maybe if you are totally jaded :) Dec 21 15:46:04 hi guys Dec 21 15:46:39 lbt - in every project I have ever worked on on any OS, there has been some sort of packaging/versioning informaiton maintained iwth the app, which can then be used upstream, it does seem lacking to completely remove it from the picture totally Dec 21 15:46:52 CosmoHill, yeah I remember oding it years ago Dec 21 15:47:01 so... given a changelog entry that says "Fixed bug BMC#6644" .... you'd think you could look at that and decide which rpm contains it...... nope Dec 21 15:47:03 lcuk, are you talking about the missing .spec files? :) Dec 21 15:49:48 so, seems to me that this is going to cause all kinds of trouble with security bugs Dec 21 15:50:02 how will i know if the RPM has the patch? Dec 21 15:50:32 ali1234: seriously? anaZ said you should get the rpms and extract the changelogs and diff them :) Dec 21 15:50:45 lol. Dec 21 15:50:58 lbt, how about doing it oppositely? have OBS post in the bugs when the change initially goes in? Dec 21 15:51:14 post in the bug reported Dec 21 15:51:32 I had wondered about OBS managing the changelog a bit more Dec 21 15:51:45 but I think first we need to get it right manually Dec 21 15:52:05 step 1 : get the version number into the changelog Dec 21 15:52:20 step 2 : get the version numbering 'fixed' Dec 21 15:52:56 i really love how when i get updates on ubuntu, i can see *right in the update manager* the advisory numbers of the security bugs that have been fixed in each deb version Dec 21 15:53:43 lbt, agreed, but source packages need to maintain a set of meta information about themselves Dec 21 15:53:46 we have that too, in our changelogs, afaik Dec 21 15:54:00 Stskeeps: no, we don't Dec 21 15:54:03 and in maemo up until now its been in the debian folder, now it is magic somewhere Dec 21 15:54:06 we have a partial version number Dec 21 15:54:09 CVE# : Dec 21 15:54:14 i meant Dec 21 15:54:17 oh, we have those, yes Dec 21 15:54:40 but if the changelog doesn't match to a package, how do i know which RPM version has the fix? Dec 21 15:54:47 :) Dec 21 15:54:48 i guess i don't... Dec 21 15:54:56 see if you get hacked.... Dec 21 15:55:21 lbt, maybe abuse 'vendor' field? like .fc12 existed before? Dec 21 15:55:37 .meego .meego_trunk_testing.. Dec 21 15:55:42 I made a complete proposal on packaging mailing list Dec 21 15:55:48 I raised this 3 times now Dec 21 15:55:55 zero interest from meego packagers Dec 21 15:56:42 is it packagers themselves that know this? surely the person who knows which version and whats been fixed is the person making the code Dec 21 15:56:52 personally i found it difficult to evaluate Dec 21 15:56:56 having no fixed location in the source is the problem Dec 21 15:57:15 the changelog is not allowed to contain the rpm version Dec 21 15:57:22 by design Dec 21 15:57:35 it can only contain the first few digits Dec 21 15:57:51 lbt, lets back up a bit, what problem are we trying to solve? Dec 21 15:58:17 lcuk: it's the packagers, and the security team, who are supposed to know this, because the upstream code won't get into the distro unless they backport it (in a stable release) Dec 21 15:58:21 2 problems : changelog doesn't contain version # Dec 21 15:58:40 version number doesn't support branching/upgrades Dec 21 15:58:49 further up than that Dec 21 15:59:03 ali1234, screw backports for an instant, the developer writing the initial code has to be able to keep track Dec 21 15:59:12 general bitching about the changelog format being ".*" Dec 21 15:59:13 ie, the practical issue we try to solve Dec 21 15:59:33 if you look in a changelog you can't tell which rpm contains a specific entry Dec 21 16:00:02 changelog being the one in weekly release? Dec 21 16:00:11 any rpm changelog Dec 21 16:00:32 other than "the rpm containing the changelog has all the entries" Dec 21 16:00:55 this is a problem for QA when we look at changelogs outside a package Dec 21 16:01:28 well maybe that can be automated... 1. take each and every rpm, 2. check it onto a git tree, 3. generate "fixed" changelogs, 4. publish them somewhere Dec 21 16:01:29 it's a problem when the changelog is supposed to be the authoritative source of version/change data Dec 21 16:01:43 ...repeat for all packages... Dec 21 16:01:45 ali1234: I almost have to do that Dec 21 16:01:47 ignorant me, but doesnt a list of changed packages (commits) along with changelog solve that? Dec 21 16:02:02 "the changelog is supposed to be the authoritative source" Dec 21 16:02:43 if "the packaging mbox" is the authoritative source then I could cope with that :) Dec 21 16:02:47 lets seperate rpm changelog and release changelog :P Dec 21 16:02:59 what's a release changelog? Dec 21 16:03:04 do you mean rel notes? Dec 21 16:03:19 check meego-releases Dec 21 16:03:25 lately for examples Dec 21 16:03:46 mmm.... that'll be a ml I missed.. Dec 21 16:04:21 release engineering and qa daily work mailing list Dec 21 16:05:06 can we use a specific example Dec 21 16:05:08 hello peeps Dec 21 16:05:09 yeah ... I just checked m-packaging for an announcement ... silly me Dec 21 16:05:28 bug 6644 Dec 21 16:05:30 existed before m-p :P Dec 21 16:05:31 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6644 maj, High, ---, ziv.chang, REOP, [REG] meegophotos crashes when closing it after viewing photos in single mode Dec 21 16:05:31 fixed in git Dec 21 16:05:34 tooooo many mailing lists..... :( Dec 21 16:05:49 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo/commit/bb68f9b7dbce4467398bfbc800823be03abe1a99 Dec 21 16:05:56 how do I know if its fixed on my device Dec 21 16:06:36 guys, i'm sure you get this a lot (and i'll seem like a whiner) , but i'm in love with my n900, and i want to know if it'll be in safe hands with meego... Dec 21 16:06:59 what guarantee is there regarding backporting bugs? if i buy a hypothetical meego 1.2 device, is any bug ever going to be fixed, or will i just get told to buy the new device when it is released? Dec 21 16:07:02 shnazul, since it will still be in your hands, how much do you trust yourself? Dec 21 16:07:07 Stskeeps: OK ... Dec 21 16:08:23 Stskeeps: right... I want to create release changelogs/notes/announcements using rpm changelogs Dec 21 16:08:55 lcuk, i'm just curious... i'd like to know if i should wait for meego, or if i shouldn't bother and just go with nitdroid Dec 21 16:09:12 shnazul, why are those paths mutually incompatible? Dec 21 16:09:24 coz i don't want what happened to n8x0 to happen with me Dec 21 16:09:24 have cake and eat it too Dec 21 16:09:30 i wanna know if i can trust nokia or not :D Dec 21 16:09:40 seems to me that this stuff is not important to the core developers because they know it will never be an issue... bug reports from end users will be useless because they will always be using a firmware that is a version behind, and as such, those bugs will never get fixed anyway. so there is no need for a decent changelog, cos nothing is going to get fixed... hows that for jaded? Dec 21 16:09:50 shnazul, install whatever you want on YOUR n900 Dec 21 16:10:13 lbt: ok, so, this should be generated with boss eventually right? ie, if obs sees BMC#blahblah in a changelog and a rpm was generated, this serves as input for your release changelog Dec 21 16:10:23 meego grows stronger every day and features are added and bugs are fixed and obs grows ever more twisty Dec 21 16:10:29 yes Dec 21 16:10:36 ie, when entering the prj, like trunk or :testing Dec 21 16:10:38 lcuk, you sound like those bogus fortune tellers, i don't like your answers :) Dec 21 16:10:45 i want someone to tell me the direction of meego Dec 21 16:10:48 shnazul, meh Dec 21 16:10:51 is it developed for n900? Dec 21 16:11:09 yes, quite actively Dec 21 16:11:13 yes Dec 21 16:11:13 or is it develeoped with a starting test platform as n900, then the final product won't be compatible with n900? Dec 21 16:11:15 Stskeeps: however.... at that point the changelog is already there Dec 21 16:11:32 lcuk,thank you, that's all i was asking for :) Dec 21 16:11:38 and ... there is no 'proper' version number Dec 21 16:12:11 this is relevant when meego fixes a bug and there is no change to upstream code Dec 21 16:12:34 shnazul, you asked loaded question yourself initially :) Dec 21 16:12:38 so... entry 1: version 0.1.1 : pkged Dec 21 16:12:39 shnazul: nokia n900 is a reference device for meego Dec 21 16:12:50 entry 2: version 0.1.1 : fixed bug#X Dec 21 16:12:55 entry 3: version 0.1.1 : fixed bug#Y Dec 21 16:13:02 note the version is the same Dec 21 16:13:30 lbt, right - but obs knows what rpms are generated Dec 21 16:13:31 there will be 3 rpms pkg-0.1.1-1.rpm, pkg-0.1.1-2.rpm, pkg-0.1.1-3.rpm Dec 21 16:13:41 now... look at the changelog Dec 21 16:13:42 and in same repo, its linear Dec 21 16:13:54 I have pkg-0.1.1-2.rpm ... which bug is fixed Dec 21 16:14:34 it is possible (and easy) to have -R go up when a developer makes a small typo Dec 21 16:14:38 no changelog needed Dec 21 16:15:17 why isnt a changelog needed? Dec 21 16:15:22 he changed source Dec 21 16:15:31 no, he typo'ed the spec Dec 21 16:15:46 oh, thats not developer? but same thing Dec 21 16:15:50 quick tweak and re-upload and the -R increases Dec 21 16:15:53 changes imply changes and should be documented Dec 21 16:16:00 yeah ... "humans" Dec 21 16:16:28 hehe ... and actually that's the problem. MeeGo isn't a well oiled machine Dec 21 16:16:32 it creaks Dec 21 16:17:46 Stated differently: The build number at the end isn't part of the package, really. The value and sequence depends on the build order of the rest of the repository. Dec 21 16:17:57 yep Dec 21 16:18:19 isn't that sort of a failing of OBS? Dec 21 16:18:22 and ...if a vendor takes the inputs and starts from scratch then MeeGo won't even work Dec 21 16:18:37 ali1234: no... gcc fails if your code sucks Dec 21 16:18:50 OBS has a specific set of behaviours Dec 21 16:18:54 and includes a macro Dec 21 16:19:06 Moblin decided to use the macro in a certain way Dec 21 16:19:13 and actually suse do this too Dec 21 16:19:15 lbt,will split for a bit (travelling atm), will read afterwards what you said Dec 21 16:19:20 It's a failing of the metaphor. I'm a developer and release pkg-1.2.3. Someone packages it. But then one of its dependencies gets bumped, so it has to be recompiled. You need some kind of different version tag to tell the difference. Dec 21 16:19:24 Stskeeps: np... it's on the ml Dec 21 16:19:38 and I'm getting worked up enough to have another crack at them :) Dec 21 16:19:43 do it Dec 21 16:19:51 I can't "not care" for long ;) Dec 21 16:58:55 if I wanted to make use of OpenSoundControl (OSC, multicast synth/instrument library well supported in other OSes and frameworks) and put the app on ovi, I would have problems afaik because of the dependency issue. Dec 21 16:58:57 * lcuk hmms Dec 21 17:03:05 Quick question - Are the new daily N900 images eMMC ready? I.e. do they have the kernel placed in the 3rd partition so they're usable by uboot? Dec 21 17:03:21 (FAT partition) Dec 21 17:04:06 yes, but that isnt 'emmc ready' Dec 21 17:04:09 just uboot ready Dec 21 17:04:49 OK ;) Thx. Dec 21 18:12:35 * lcukn900 ponders meego specific app Dec 21 19:31:46 lbt, freenode sponsorship would be more appealing if their GRF process wasnt a /dev/null (sent in feb) and expedited grf too leading same way.. Dec 21 19:32:33 Stskeeps: It only took me 3 years for maemo :) Dec 21 19:33:11 Stskeeps, perhaps the two issues could be combined into one :) Dec 21 19:33:43 then it would technically be a bribe Dec 21 19:36:45 asking on #freenode seems to help things along, from what i have seen while idling there Dec 21 19:37:46 we tried and got told about expedited grf :P Dec 21 19:38:23 Stskeeps, GRF system is hosted here http://dev.freenode.net/GMS Dec 21 19:38:37 all volunteer done Dec 21 19:38:44 only certain folks can access the data Dec 21 19:39:16 or rather: Dec 21 19:39:18 "Under a volunteer-only system the current process is too costly in time and money, and we are committed to develop a replacement. This is the Group Management System, which is being worked on when time and availability of volunteers allow (freenode is desperately seeking coders, for this and other projects)." Dec 21 19:39:35 yes, but its been underway for ages :P Dec 21 19:39:45 anyhow, sleep time for me Dec 21 19:40:08 more info: http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml Dec 21 19:40:11 gnite Stskeeps Dec 21 19:50:35 twitter question: Supposing I have an #OSS #App for #Meego, how do I make it available on every #UX ? do I use #Ovi or #Appup or as currently community #obs? http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/17285640563458048 Dec 21 19:53:20 if it is OSS you use the community OBS, if not OSS, you are basically screwed right now (not that there are any devices anyway...) Dec 21 19:53:59 ali1234, hm Dec 21 19:54:04 but when there are devices, you will be screwed Dec 21 19:54:17 just because its OSS should not block me as the author from sellign it Dec 21 19:54:24 it might be complex to configure from source etc Dec 21 19:54:37 pretty much yeah. looking forward to immense appstore fragmentation :( Dec 21 19:54:48 some people are happy to pay for encapsulated experience :) Dec 21 19:54:57 ali1234, I mentioned a few times in the past Dec 21 19:55:02 would adore a meego mall :) Dec 21 19:55:20 lcuk: the term, I believe, is "cost of convenience" :) Dec 21 19:55:29 * lcuk even said he would open an app store store somewhere Dec 21 19:55:48 "get your app stores here, nice and fresh" Dec 21 19:55:51 make an app store, sell the app store client on all existing app stores Dec 21 19:56:04 this certainly won't make things far worse :) Dec 21 19:56:27 appup basically is an app store store though Dec 21 19:56:40 or rather, it's a white box appstore that anyone can rebrand for their device Dec 21 19:57:27 Hi! Dec 21 19:57:36 hello Dec 21 19:57:43 ali1234, amybarton is also suggesting appup :) Dec 21 19:58:29 well yeah. see your question doesn't really make sense unfortunately... you specified "all UX" - but i suspect what you meant was "all meego devices" Dec 21 19:58:47 When wanting to install Meego on a tablet, does that installation empty the drive at the same time? Dec 21 19:59:11 Or is that something I have to do with gParted or something similar? Dec 21 19:59:21 ali1234, well.. Dec 21 19:59:26 Umeaboy: it can do. it tells you what it is going to do and gives you some options Dec 21 19:59:31 I have meego core + netbook + handset on one device Dec 21 19:59:34 Umeaboy: the meego netbook ux gives you a pretty standard GNU/Linux desktop distro intaller (graphical) Dec 21 19:59:37 but yes Dec 21 19:59:47 Okey. Dec 21 20:00:12 Its a lot like the Fedora one. It might actually be that one for all I know Dec 21 20:00:14 Do I have to root my Kendo to be able to empty it's preinstalled distro? Dec 21 20:00:26 Or can I do it without root? Dec 21 20:00:35 What is a Kendo? Dec 21 20:01:04 its like a male Barbiedo Dec 21 20:01:18 lcuk, multiple UX on 1 device in theory should not be a problem, as long as the UX all use a standard way of getting icons and such, and your app is adaptable to different screen sizes etc Dec 21 20:01:23 jonnor: Similar to Samsung Galaxy Tab. Dec 21 20:01:32 ali1234, yup Dec 21 20:01:45 basically if it doesn't work, i would consider that a bug, possibly in the spec Dec 21 20:02:00 yup Dec 21 20:02:07 FDO specifics where you are supposed to put .desktop files for your menus which should be cross-UX IMO Dec 21 20:02:13 but my opinion doesn't count for much Dec 21 20:02:29 * lcuk has app idea that needs to talk to different devices in local area Dec 21 20:02:43 ali1234, :) of course it does Dec 21 20:03:06 but making an app cross-UX has nothing to do with app stores.......... Dec 21 20:03:30 Umeaboy: ah, sorry, I assumed a standard x86 tablet PC Dec 21 20:03:47 ali1234, it does if I consider end to end stuff Dec 21 20:03:59 and management of updates etc Dec 21 20:04:16 well you're going to have to deal with both ovi and appup then Dec 21 20:04:17 submitting a new patch to one place is easier than having to run around to all Dec 21 20:04:26 and probably a few others Dec 21 20:05:03 may as well port it to iphone and android while you're at it Dec 21 20:05:19 nahh meego will run on those devices soon enough Dec 21 20:05:26 so no point in wasting effort ;) Dec 21 20:05:39 meego will run on android devices...... hahaha Dec 21 20:05:59 lcuk top gear on bbc2 and bbcHD Dec 21 20:06:04 Umeaboy: installing Meego on such a device is not like installing it on a computer Dec 21 20:06:13 ali1234? android is just a linux with crispy coating, scrape it off and replace with meego Dec 21 20:06:19 jonnor: http://img.rumia.co.uk/images/evg4dl20a04nwqww43h.jpg Dec 21 20:06:23 don't forget windows 7, windows phone, ubuntu... mac os x is getting an appstore soon too Dec 21 20:06:28 allegedly Dec 21 20:06:50 The Android-version that came with this device doesn't work properly. Dec 21 20:06:52 CosmoHill, will watch on iplayer Dec 21 20:06:53 android uses a totally different driver mechanic, replacing it with "real" linux is not so easy Dec 21 20:07:00 ali1234, sure it does Dec 21 20:07:07 but go and sit in #meego-arm Dec 21 20:07:11 plenty of porting going on there Dec 21 20:07:13 I even went back to the store & they saw the problem, but they couldn't fix it. Dec 21 20:07:16 I've just seen the trailer and all I can say is SWEEEEEEEEET Dec 21 20:07:33 Android has turned OpenSource now. Dec 21 20:07:35 did you notice that unnofficial android ports can't access the android appstore? Dec 21 20:07:43 think meego will be any different? Dec 21 20:07:48 AOSP Dec 21 20:07:59 ali1234: there is no Meego appstore :p Dec 21 20:08:34 exactly, that's why unnofficial 3rd party meego ports won't have access to any app store except the community repos :) Dec 21 20:08:49 the AOSP also lacks the appstore components... Dec 21 20:09:01 which will be probably where all the interesting apps, if maemo is to be any example. Dec 21 20:09:10 true enough Dec 21 20:09:15 i'm just sayin... Dec 21 20:09:23 Can I clean the device with Gparted? Dec 21 20:09:31 Empty it. Dec 21 20:10:45 delete all partitions in the partition table Dec 21 20:12:09 thiago: Okey. Dec 21 20:12:22 thiago from #mandriva ? ;) Dec 21 20:12:37 it's the same network, so the same person Dec 21 20:12:40 Yaaaaaaaaaaay! Dec 21 20:12:45 How are you? Dec 21 20:12:53 Good to see you here. Dec 21 20:12:59 I'm in a good mood. Dec 21 20:13:24 * thiago has always been here Dec 21 20:13:29 for as long as "here" has existed, that is Dec 21 20:13:43 Okey. Dec 21 20:14:20 I'll reboot with the gParted-disc. Dec 21 20:14:25 Wish me luck. ;) Dec 21 20:18:42 hey :) Dec 21 20:19:05 hi Venemo Dec 21 20:19:28 hi lcuk :) Dec 21 20:27:57 thiago: hey, then you can confirm or deny the big bang theory once and for all! Dec 21 20:28:08 what happens if i press this button. Dec 21 20:28:10 just got back from my sons funeral Dec 21 20:28:43 dropped dead from viral pneumonia Dec 21 20:39:40 Hi again! Dec 21 20:40:15 I used the gParted-disc I burnt a long time ago & I couldn't see it get mounted. Dec 21 20:40:30 I reconnected it & checked in dmesg. Dec 21 20:40:37 It was identified. Dec 21 20:42:24 anyone else seeing problems with build.pub.meego.com, in particular, can't access any of the projects (home or otherwise)? Dec 21 20:42:27 So meego netbook looks like it will be great someday Dec 21 20:42:46 Right now it has a lot of little minor things Dec 21 20:42:48 lbt, X-Fade? Dec 21 20:42:56 Like hard freezes and kernel panics Dec 21 20:42:57 :) Dec 21 20:44:20 thiago: If the device is identified, shouldn't it get mounted by gParted? Dec 21 20:45:09 I don't know Dec 21 20:45:13 I've never used gparted Dec 21 20:45:53 Okey. Dec 21 20:46:05 I just saw that my version of gParted is really old. Dec 21 20:46:09 Oooooops. Dec 21 20:50:55 ali1234, it seems Matan got mmc 2 working (but it's not reliable) Dec 21 21:00:15 ping sabotage Dec 21 21:01:24 sabotage: we're doing some work on the obs... wasn't supposed to have much effect Dec 21 21:03:29 anyonne tried to shoot up pod tea? Dec 21 21:05:36 is there a feature request for userland (qt) multitouch support in meego netbook on the s10-3t or should i file a new one? Dec 21 21:06:26 thp, http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=multitouch Dec 21 21:10:25 thp, though I saw lots on the ML about getting MT support running, a FEA would be preferable Dec 21 21:12:02 lbt: np, I pinged adam too, he informed me to take a chill pill :P Dec 21 21:13:58 lbt: may I suggest a note/message on the status page until it's resolved? Dec 21 21:14:56 there's a lot to the question, right? like a ux that isn't even designed for touch? Dec 21 21:17:03 mwichmann, ? Dec 21 21:17:09 lcuk: so i'll open a new one then Dec 21 21:17:34 thp, yeah sounds reasonable Dec 21 21:17:41 "userland multitouch support" - my claim is even if it happens, it's not that useful if nothing knows about it Dec 21 21:18:12 mwichmann, handset ui runs happily on the ideapad Dec 21 21:18:52 (for varying degrees, bugs still exist ofc) Dec 21 21:19:16 * lcuk vanishes anyway \o Dec 21 21:26:34 well, yeah, but it's not a handset either.... Dec 21 21:28:24 lcukn900: vote for it.. http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11625 Dec 21 21:29:47 thiago: Can we PM? I'm now in Mandriva & a small issue has appeared in diskdrake Dec 21 21:30:28 I don't use diskdrake either Dec 21 21:30:34 Okey. Dec 21 21:30:38 What DO you use? Dec 21 21:33:24 thp, bug 11625 you mean? Dec 21 21:33:27 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11625 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Add userspace support for Lenovo S10-3t multi-touch screen in Qt Dec 21 21:33:30 Umeaboy: nothing Dec 21 21:33:37 Umeaboy: I don't need to change partitions after installation Dec 21 21:33:38 Okey. Dec 21 21:33:53 if I had to, I'd use fdisk Dec 21 21:34:07 * lcuk goes again \o Dec 21 21:36:46 lcukn900: yep Dec 21 21:37:44 do anyone have any ideas on porting meego into msm7k-powered smartphone like android series? Dec 21 21:37:52 thiago: Which number for the startsector? Any number is fine? Dec 21 21:38:06 mwichmann: why wouldn't it be useful? you can access multiple touch points in qt and react accordingly (e.g. a game with two virtual "joysticks") Dec 21 21:38:17 Umeaboy: the lowest possible, usually Dec 21 21:38:26 Okey. Dec 21 21:38:30 Thanks. Dec 21 21:38:55 thiago: Type of filesystem in this case should be ext4, right? Dec 21 21:39:42 Or am I wrong? Dec 21 21:39:44 thp: useful in a limited context, sure.... personally it's hard for me when certain things work only in a limited context tho Dec 21 21:39:56 mwichmann: what do you mean with "limited context"? Dec 21 21:40:14 it works in this game that was coded for it, but not in other things Dec 21 21:40:59 multipointer multitough is orthonogal to multitouch gestures Dec 21 21:41:32 mwichmann: of course.. that's the point of writing a game that makes use of that hardware Dec 21 21:44:41 gparted Dec 21 21:44:50 sabotage: try now Dec 21 21:44:55 blame opensuse Dec 21 21:45:57 lbt: werks! Dec 21 21:48:01 :) Dec 21 21:48:46 so... whats happening with SRs these days... since I got you on the line :P Dec 21 21:49:47 mumble Dec 21 21:50:10 ;) Dec 21 21:50:38 I need to get some work work done.... then hopefully will have some community time over the break Dec 21 21:51:24 Should I choose ext4 as filesystem for this device or does it not matter? Dec 21 21:51:33 is there a plan to resolve the bottleneck so it's not just your (or any one/two) persons issue? Dec 21 21:52:07 IOW lbt, do we need to propose a community "position" or group that folks can sign up for to help out Dec 21 21:52:19 I have to manually mount it since diskdrake (the diskhandler/mounter) told me that the filesystem is broken on this device. Dec 21 21:53:04 of course, we'd need to define in detail the criteria being followed for acceptance/rejection of packages, possibly per "project" but... Dec 21 21:56:55 I have to write up 'Surrounds' too Dec 21 21:57:03 Umeaboy: btrfs Dec 21 21:58:17 Gotta logout for the changes to have an affect. Dec 21 22:59:01 heh I thought moblin was rpm based? in the intel appup submission guidelines, I have encountered numerous references to it being deb Dec 21 22:59:11 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/application-submission-checklist Dec 21 23:03:31 lcuk: apparently at some point in the past it was deb based Dec 21 23:04:00 wmarone, yeah I gather that Dec 21 23:04:15 I wonder when the intel appup pages will be revamped then Dec 21 23:07:06 * lcuk notes that appup is like maemo extras processes on steroids and similar to ovi Dec 21 23:07:14 ohai Dec 21 23:19:44 lcuk, angrier and with a big neck? Dec 21 23:22:42 hopefully more like the extras than ovi Dec 21 23:22:59 a lot of people dislike the extras qa process, but the ovi one... Dec 21 23:29:40 Extras is also easier to fix. Dec 21 23:31:23 Where can I find the spec files of the packages in core meego? Dec 21 23:31:34 package in question is pygtk Dec 21 23:32:30 javispedro, read the intel one, its quite indepth also Dec 21 23:32:51 and yeah, extras qa is much simpler :) Dec 21 23:37:04 alternatively, how can I get the latest pygtk package from Trunk:Testing repository? Dec 21 23:37:11 for meego netbook Dec 21 23:40:54 aha, seemingly it is available here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/ Dec 21 23:47:52 is there any place where I can order a developer version of N900 phone? Dec 21 23:49:47 kaushik: what developer version? Dec 21 23:50:20 is there a developer phone for meego? Dec 21 23:50:29 Aava or something Dec 21 23:50:37 yes .. Dec 21 23:50:41 there are many As in it Dec 21 23:50:55 how is a developer phone different from a normal phone ? Dec 21 23:51:20 it's easier to use and harder to brick? Dec 21 23:51:32 and when I say use I'm thinking about boot loaders and stuff Dec 21 23:51:51 yes ... I agree boot loaders and stuff Dec 21 23:52:05 btw.. where can i order it and which one is the best Dec 21 23:52:27 though that is not really a concern, n900 is fully usable and happy to be a day to day phone and a midnight hacking toy too Dec 21 23:52:58 other than it is incredibly slow sometimes and drains battery like hell Dec 21 23:53:51 kaushik: N900 meego development is done in standard N900 phones Dec 21 23:53:59 thresh, sure, same as I can drive my car at 120mph all the time and burn through petrol Dec 21 23:54:27 my n900s do everything I want them too and last long enough to not be a concern Dec 21 23:54:35 try gps next time! Dec 21 23:54:37 so we can use n900 phones and put meego .iso image on it for testing? Dec 21 23:54:47 thresh, i do when I need it Dec 21 23:54:52 kaushik: yes Dec 21 23:54:53 but really, theres different uses Dec 21 23:55:08 kaushik, yes, thats the development model Dec 21 23:55:16 and due ot the way the images are laid out Dec 21 23:55:26 meego goes on the removable MMC Dec 21 23:55:31 cool .. Dec 21 23:55:34 and leaves maemo untouched and stable Dec 21 23:55:51 so just reboot out and your phone is back to the way it was before :) Dec 21 23:56:13 of course, if you are doing more intensive meego work, there are other boot options Dec 21 23:57:14 kaushik: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Dec 21 23:57:28 * lcuk vanishes Dec 21 23:57:36 kallam: thanks Dec 21 23:57:39 ( to the #meego-bar ) Dec 21 23:57:44 lcuk: thanks Dec 21 23:57:51 How to enable testing repositories does not seem to be documented. Should I just zypper addrepo, try to update the new packages I want to test, pray that I don't break everything? Dec 21 23:58:19 Well, there is this http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions but I certainly do not want to upgrade (update everything) Dec 22 00:00:31 If you buy new MMC card, I suggest fast one like class 8 Dec 22 00:00:34 Or are there nightly iso images of the netbook ux? Dec 22 00:02:59 ok, there are no nightly images, but there are snapshots on repo.meego.org Dec 22 00:15:05 what is the --format for the .img files present in the repo.meego.com? I found that to be livecd but in my cae it generates .iso files ...why? Dec 22 00:31:04 heh f**k, mindful meditation + warewolf strategy thinking + dehydration = self induced euphoria, less than half a pint of water eradicates it Dec 22 00:31:16 cannot find root file system. Create a symlink /dev/root Dec 22 00:31:23 ?? Dec 22 00:31:30 no more beer for me when playing warewolf me thinks Dec 22 00:36:34 DOES ANYONE HAVE SAMSUNG APOLLO GALAXY Dec 22 00:42:16 class_girl: Whats about it...GALAXY? Dec 22 00:49:18 I hate people like that Dec 22 00:49:43 this isn't your mate on msn, you have to wait for a response Dec 22 00:53:56 cyas Dec 22 01:03:56 Stskeeps: ping Dec 22 01:04:06 anyone here recognize ARM1176JZF-S ? Dec 22 01:17:05 timeless_mbp: recognize how? Dec 22 01:17:24 well, like "oh, i know that processor, " Dec 22 01:19:41 its being used in Freescale i.MX37 I think Dec 22 01:20:38 how old? Dec 22 01:20:52 and how sane/close is it to the n900 or other things Dec 22 01:22:08 http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=i.MX37 Dec 22 01:23:04 ballpark, I'd say about half the omp compared to the SoC in the N900 Dec 22 01:24:07 and in terms of instruction set? Dec 22 01:24:37 what do you mean? Dec 22 01:25:04 the ARM1176 is ARMv6 instruction set Dec 22 01:25:28 and only the JZF-S has a floating point coprocessor **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 22 02:59:57 2010