**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 25 02:59:57 2010 Dec 25 03:19:07 hi folks :) Dec 25 03:19:20 cant sleep... whos having a merry christmas? :) Dec 25 03:23:41 spyro: the folks who are not here Dec 25 03:23:52 haha :) Dec 25 03:23:58 millions of em Dec 25 03:24:14 *raises fist* Daaamn yoooooouuu! Dec 25 03:24:38 mind you, only millions? thats a pretty poor turnout from a planet with a population of billion :) Dec 25 03:24:46 6 billion Dec 25 03:25:26 well, some of them having a bad xmas, and some already done with it Dec 25 03:26:17 :) Dec 25 05:57:29 Review of shipping MeeGo-based audio tablet: http://lwn.net/Articles/421032/ Dec 25 06:04:20 hm Dec 25 06:04:31 hoping i have a good connection to my damn phone where it is :) Dec 25 06:04:43 i get such bad reception from tmob where i am. i have the thing like 20ft in the air heh Dec 25 06:06:52 Macer, I'm getting good Tmobile reception on my N900 here in the SF Bay Area. I look signal only in the hills so far, where I lost signal on AT&T too. Keeps my Dad from interrupting my bike rides! Dec 25 06:08:12 south side of chicago gets no love ;) Dec 25 06:08:25 sometimes i think they power down the tower here Dec 25 06:08:27 heh Dec 25 06:08:50 either that or i am very close to midway airport right now so maybe the tower is past the airport which i am sure gives off a lot of rf problems for the reception Dec 25 06:09:03 at least the bt tethering works pretty good Dec 25 06:09:20 sure wish i could figure out what the hell hapened to mobile hotspot when i went to 1.3 but i gave up on it Dec 25 06:09:25 bt uses less power :) Dec 25 06:16:22 ok. well.. still connected past like 10 mins so i guess i'm good :) Dec 25 06:16:33 i wonder if they time sockets or something Dec 25 06:30:27 hm Dec 25 06:30:31 still going heh Dec 25 10:09:02 Hi Dec 25 10:09:25 Is it common to have trouble with booting the netbook install image? Dec 25 10:30:31 voyager_za, not usually, what model netbook did Santa bring you? Dec 25 10:34:27 lcuk: :) Gigabyte Q1000C Dec 25 10:34:56 I got an error about isolinux.bin not found Dec 25 10:35:42 hmm http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Dec 25 10:36:25 not listed as far as I can see Dec 25 10:36:35 but it's Atom N450 Dec 25 10:36:41 indeed hmm Dec 25 10:36:51 I am not stopping though, hmm Dec 25 10:40:19 is there another way to install or at least run meego? Dec 25 12:22:11 Hi, any idea if MeeGo 1.1 will work on an HP pavilion laptop? Dec 25 12:41:22 mbn_18: what CPU does it have? Dec 25 12:41:41 Intel dual core. chacking for more details Dec 25 12:41:53 more specifically does the CPU have SSSE3 and is the GPU intel? Dec 25 12:42:11 T7300 Dec 25 12:42:38 Nope, GPU is ATI or Nvidia Dec 25 12:42:54 that's a core2 so it should have SSSE3 Dec 25 12:43:26 dm8tbr: Yep, its a 2 duo Dec 25 12:43:45 What about the GPU? Dec 25 12:44:22 well AFAIK the netbook image only comes with the gpu accel driver for itel gpu's Dec 25 12:44:36 but I'm sure someone compiled/packaged some other driver too Dec 25 12:45:03 I need it to install and run or just for performance? Dec 25 12:45:35 I guess it will use vesa/mesa if you don't install anything Dec 25 12:45:43 which will be horribly jerky but will work Dec 25 12:46:29 mbn_18, please try using the regular image, and if it has ATI graphics card then file bugs and see if any of the AMD elves are capable of helping ;) Dec 25 12:47:12 You mean the netbook regular image ( 1.1 )? Dec 25 12:47:34 I will probably need Nvidia elves Dec 25 12:50:32 I don't think the nvidia elves joined the meego game Dec 25 12:50:51 $#$%^ Dec 25 12:51:43 mbn_18: you might get away with some generic driver installation. could be a bit fumbly though Dec 25 12:51:54 I managed to install the virtual-box drivers Dec 25 12:51:59 and they work Dec 25 12:52:24 Couldnt start it on VB 4 Dec 25 12:52:38 Followed the howto but still getting black screen Dec 25 12:52:43 vbox is tricky Dec 25 12:52:51 and the 1.0 howto is not applicable Dec 25 12:53:22 at least it does not apply unless you know what you are doing and only follow it where it makes sense. not something for the average joe though :( Dec 25 12:53:43 I should rewrite this for meego 1.1 netbook generic image Dec 25 12:54:30 dm8tbr: I can go into console and run startx Dec 25 12:54:43 but ordinary start gets to dead end Dec 25 12:55:20 mbn_18: e.g. don't overwrite that library the 1.0 guide mentions Dec 25 12:55:31 I did that Dec 25 12:55:44 that borks x11 Dec 25 12:55:50 I should have made a copy Dec 25 12:56:18 all I did was run the vbox additions and specifically recompiled the graphics module as it didn't compile properly on meego Dec 25 12:56:35 then things started to work magically Dec 25 12:56:51 sadly once 3D was working it also started crashing the vbox instance Dec 25 12:57:05 but haven't tried if 4.0 would fix that Dec 25 12:57:20 You compiled it on another Linux ? Dec 25 12:58:04 no on the system itself Dec 25 12:58:19 I don't remember if I used the generic netbook image or the qemu image though Dec 25 12:58:23 Does it come with build packages? Dec 25 12:58:29 both are fairly simmilar Dec 25 12:58:46 zypper can fix that if build essentials are missing :) Dec 25 13:00:10 Now something totally different. Are there good tablets out there which use MeeGo? Dec 25 13:02:37 mbn_18: hopefully soon there will be something-like-meego-but-not-allowed-to-be-called-meego-because-of-trademark-issues-for-community-projects on Archos generation 8 tablets Dec 25 13:02:46 gen7 tablets are already shaping up well Dec 25 13:02:53 smoku is working on the latter Dec 25 13:03:12 and there is also the lenovo tablet thingy Dec 25 13:03:54 I need hardware for poweruser, lots of console/ssh and such Dec 25 13:04:08 LCD should be supper Dec 25 13:05:52 then you don't want a tablet Dec 25 13:06:05 typing on a touch-screen sucks by definition Dec 25 13:08:36 dm8tbr: how does the android ports deal with kernel versions? Dec 25 13:09:03 Stskeeps: android has a recommended kernel version and a kernel-patch-set AFAIU Dec 25 13:09:14 dm8tbr: have a laptop. its too big Dec 25 13:09:29 but e.g. archos just takes the TI PSP and applies the patch and backports needed ABI etc Dec 25 13:09:46 resp TI does that already Dec 25 13:09:57 as the PSP is for android AFAICT Dec 25 13:10:15 _av500_ is not here, he would know the details Dec 25 13:10:16 dm8tbr: I can also use small bluetooth keyboard Dec 25 13:10:28 mbn_18: yes, that would work for sure Dec 25 13:10:47 * dm8tbr recently saw a cool nokia bt-keyboard. foldable fits in a pocket Dec 25 13:15:40 dm8tbr: i hope smoku manages to get an uart access on a mainline plus patches.. the nonproximity to mainline will get worse and worse over time :/ we had same problem on n8x0 Dec 25 13:16:20 it looks manage-able, at least Dec 25 13:18:33 Stskeeps: I'm aware of that problem but until smoku and his uber-kernel-kungfu arrived we had no chance whatsoever. I spent a weekend trying to get n900 sgx working. he just went and made it work. Dec 25 13:18:54 Archos considered as a good tablet? Dec 25 13:19:09 dm8tbr: even with the huge maemo.org community we didnt have mainline proximity until lately Dec 25 13:19:13 mbn_18: the a70 and a101 look to me like very nice meego targets Dec 25 13:19:19 and n8x0 has been around for ages Dec 25 13:19:31 Stskeeps: how 'large' in terms of active developers is it? Dec 25 13:20:04 Stskeeps: and you realize that you just proved my general point about the kernel being a huge problem? ;-p Dec 25 13:20:06 dm8tbr: was fairly large but not many on system until mer came along Dec 25 13:20:10 dm8tbr, do you know is the connectors of the bottom of the tablet any standard? maybe I could just get two plugs and solder the serial connector myself Dec 25 13:20:24 smoku: sadly they are not standard Dec 25 13:20:32 smoku: do you have any cable or dock for it? Dec 25 13:20:53 dm8tbr, I have the battery dock. but it has only one plug Dec 25 13:21:11 darn :/ Dec 25 13:21:29 a cable would have been perfect. I know how to adapt that to fit into the other connector Dec 25 13:21:39 the left connector has UART-TX and that's what counts Dec 25 13:21:49 the right connector has UART-RX Dec 25 13:22:07 iirc battery dock has the right plug Dec 25 13:22:12 which is not thaaat important if you are just after kernel output Dec 25 13:22:14 correct Dec 25 13:22:30 if you remove the metal pin it fits in the left connector too Dec 25 13:22:39 but then you'd fry something with the battery Dec 25 13:23:05 well... I would not like to dismantle it. I would rather buy dvr dock ;-) Dec 25 13:23:10 smoku: get uart on there on any kernel and let's book a day for hacking on a mainline kernel to work (might as well use we're both in warsaw..) Dec 25 13:23:24 ah right :) Dec 25 13:23:43 I'll make sure vlado mails you the serial dock if he didn't yet Dec 25 13:24:06 it will be most likely one with RS232 connector so you'll need a null-modem cable Dec 25 13:24:24 Stskeeps, I have a preliminary minimal port of board and display files ready. and booting it does not cause reboot loop, so it looks promising. :) i guess it just oopses or panics somewhere Dec 25 13:24:52 smoku: I have some idle cycles today and packed the serial dock can give you output Dec 25 13:25:10 smoku: if you have uart you can get early_printk Dec 25 13:25:27 and see it Dec 25 13:25:41 mbn_18, as for your question - archos brings very good value for the money spent. so if you're after a nice cheap tablet, archos should cut the deal Dec 25 13:25:45 ok the solder joints survived, the serial dock should be working Dec 25 13:26:24 bonus: gen8 archos comes with dual-boot out of the box and the two large units have a capacitive touchscreen Dec 25 13:26:42 ill check this out Dec 25 13:27:29 smoku: got an kernel handy? the goose seems not fully baked yet so I could do it right now Dec 25 13:27:53 and the non-out-of-box dual boot for gen7 is very easy to install and works very nicely. just like normal PC grub :) Dec 25 13:28:13 dm8tbr, wait a sec Dec 25 13:28:20 smoku: thanks for the compliment. that cost me a week of my life to design and implement :) Dec 25 13:29:31 gen8 = Archos 8 hope tablet? Dec 25 13:30:12 *home Dec 25 13:30:16 no Dec 25 13:30:21 mbn_18, it's not that straightforward ;-) Dec 25 13:30:29 http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/EARLY_PRINTK.html , http://krishnakumar.livejournal.com/17445.html , dm8tbr Dec 25 13:30:38 avoid the home tablets like the plague! Dec 25 13:30:41 smoku: Good, the home tablet looks awful Dec 25 13:30:52 Stskeeps: nod, I think I read those once Dec 25 13:31:27 dm8tbr: very useful(tm) Dec 25 13:31:34 mbn_18: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/index.html - from top down to a28 Dec 25 13:31:40 that's gen8 Dec 25 13:31:51 and the a5IT at the bottom is gen7 Dec 25 13:32:08 a7HT and a8HT are rockchip based china-crap™ tablets Dec 25 13:32:23 mbn_18, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Generation_7 Dec 25 13:32:38 Cant see it there. Which country? Dec 25 13:32:52 mbn_18, basically look for "internet tablet" or "internet media tablet" in name Dec 25 13:33:01 IMT is gen6 Dec 25 13:33:23 Archos 101, 70, 43, 32 and 28 are gen8 Dec 25 13:33:29 Archos 5 is gen7 Dec 25 13:33:31 oh yes Dec 25 13:33:42 so don't look for internet media tablet ;-) Dec 25 13:33:46 and archos 5 and 7 Internet Media Tablets are gen6 Dec 25 13:33:58 and again don't even look at a7HT and a8HT Dec 25 13:34:18 meego-suitable are gen7 and gen8 Dec 25 13:34:32 as gen6 OMAP3 doesn't have SGX Dec 25 13:36:06 eh, archos 5 it and imt? Dec 25 13:36:26 yes Archos marketing should be killed and quarted Dec 25 13:36:58 that's why we mainly refer to hardware generations Dec 25 13:38:14 Stskeeps, thanks for the pointers. i will definetely bug you once i get the serial port ready :) Dec 25 13:38:33 what do you use to get the log on the pc side? minicom? Dec 25 13:38:45 minicom, screen, ... Dec 25 13:38:57 minicom or screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 Dec 25 13:38:58 :P Dec 25 13:39:04 :> Dec 25 13:39:13 screen ? cute :D Dec 25 13:39:31 putty works too for those fearless Dec 25 13:45:39 smoku: one of the best kept secrets Dec 25 13:48:25 dm8tbr, http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/archos/zImage Dec 25 13:50:06 smoku: cmdline and config_early_printk setup? Dec 25 13:50:39 aw crap. I didn't anable early printk Dec 25 13:50:44 so w8 again ;-) Dec 25 13:51:12 make one for S0,S1,S2 :P Dec 25 13:51:18 what kernel version? Dec 25 13:51:36 where should I look for it Dec 25 13:51:49 it's 2.6.37-rc3 Dec 25 13:52:23 hmm, there should be some change in serial naming there.. Dec 25 13:53:17 ttyO0..2 Dec 25 13:53:24 (O for omap) Dec 25 13:53:41 ohh well, will have to wait for Nvidia support Dec 25 13:53:54 mean while ill install Ubuntu for nwtbook Dec 25 13:54:35 ok. it needs DEBUG_LL Dec 25 13:54:56 When gen8 is expected? Dec 25 13:56:06 Intel is not going to release a generic tablet especially for MeeGo? Dec 25 13:56:23 > grep CMDLINE .config Dec 25 13:56:23 CONFIG_CMDLINE="mem=200M root=/dev/sda2 rw media=/dev/sda1 init=/init android vram=7372800 omapfb.vram=7372800 console=ttyS2,115200n8 androidboot.console=ttyS2 extrabaud=1000000 earlyprintk=ttyS2" Dec 25 13:56:23 CONFIG_CMDLINE_FORCE=y Dec 25 13:56:28 dm8tbr, ok? Dec 25 13:56:37 smoku: looks ok Dec 25 13:56:41 I'll try it now Dec 25 13:57:10 no, w8 until I build & upload it ;-) Dec 25 13:57:14 ok Dec 25 13:57:35 smoku: what about the ttyO0 what Stskeeps mentioned? Dec 25 13:58:02 mbn_18: gen8 archos is in stores Dec 25 13:58:06 dm8tbr, you tell me which serial gen7 uses ;-) Dec 25 13:58:36 smoku: I'll trust Stskeeps here as the n900 has the same SoC Dec 25 13:58:36 Stskeeps, oh. you mean that 2.6.37 changed the serial naming? Dec 25 13:59:23 dm8tbr, ok. same link as before with ttyS2. I will rebuild with ttyOx in a minute Dec 25 13:59:39 ok, I'll flash it but expect it to fail :) Dec 25 14:01:51 dm8tbr, http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/archos/zImage-ttyO2 Dec 25 14:02:28 getting it Dec 25 14:04:48 show time! Dec 25 14:05:43 hello guys Dec 25 14:05:57 dm8tbr, you will find -ttyO0 and ttyO1 kernels in the same place Dec 25 14:06:21 smoku: it should be ttyO2 Dec 25 14:06:28 no output Dec 25 14:06:31 just in case ;-) Dec 25 14:06:47 time to reflash and verify I get output with regular kernel Dec 25 14:09:11 smoku: zero output from your kernel Dec 25 14:09:50 Stskeeps: did the order of UART ports get changed? or is it straight ttyS2 is now ttyO2? Dec 25 14:16:56 latter afaik Dec 25 14:18:51 good Dec 25 14:19:13 means though that smoku will have to cook up an early-printk kernel Dec 25 14:20:37 dm8tbr, ok. thanks. I will work on it once I have the serial interface. bo tak to dupa nie robota ;-) Dec 25 14:20:58 :> Dec 25 14:48:44 Stskeeps, how do I import (copy) a package from one OBS to another? Dec 25 14:50:49 osc -A apiurlfrom copypac -t apiurlto fromprj frompkg toprj topkg Dec 25 14:58:14 http://www.openaos.org/archives/666 Dec 25 14:58:26 funny coincidence with that post number Dec 25 14:58:33 bbl, xmas goose Dec 25 15:24:21 jarkko^: Done :) .... Merry Christmas.... Dec 25 15:24:42 Hey Stskeeps .... Merry Xmas to you two too Dec 25 15:26:19 merry xmas to you and denise from me and bogna Dec 25 15:36:17 lbt: thanks :) same to you Dec 25 15:36:36 is this the correct place for meego user questions? or is there another channel for it? Dec 25 15:37:47 forum.meego.com or here Dec 25 15:39:39 Ok. With netbook 1.1 I have a issue with network-screen - the Add new connection is disabled no matter what I do. Dec 25 15:48:56 Ascen_: device? Dec 25 15:49:56 Stskeeps: eeepc 900 Dec 25 15:50:33 Ascen_: what wifi chip? Dec 25 15:52:14 Stskeeps: i'm just trying find out, a moment, please Dec 25 16:01:47 'lspci' perhaps? Dec 25 16:02:26 Stskeeps: atheros 5700, according to one source Dec 25 16:02:47 Ascen_: should work.. atom processor? Dec 25 16:29:15 theweb Dec 25 17:57:34 hmmm at least the netbook qemu image has 'quiet' twice in the kernel cmdline. is this intended or should I file a bug? Dec 25 17:59:27 sounds wrong Dec 25 19:37:00 Merry Christmas spyro \o Dec 25 20:11:18 what are the odds that functionality like http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/LDPreloadNat64 could make it into something that is easy for users to install in meego? Dec 25 20:11:18 what is the state of ipv6 in meego at all? Dec 25 20:11:18 my meego machine works fine with ipv6 Dec 25 20:11:18 connman applet doesnt know about it, but it works without the applet Dec 25 20:11:18 berndhs: what about application support? and connection manager needs to support it as well Dec 25 20:11:18 SwedeMike: ask the application people :) Dec 25 20:11:18 my applications work with ipv6 Dec 25 20:11:22 which applications, anything in particular ? or are you jsut fishing ? Dec 25 20:20:14 berndhs: I work for a mobile phone operator, we'd like devices that connect to us to support ipv6 properly. right now state of affairs is not good. Dec 25 20:20:28 basically it's only symbian that works well. Dec 25 20:20:57 everything else is no-go, maemo is so-so, android and apple has no support at all. Dec 25 20:24:01 that is surprising, no ipv6 on phones Dec 25 20:24:01 what are they thinking ? Dec 25 20:25:25 microsoft told me wireless operators told them ipv6 wasn't needed. Dec 25 20:25:32 http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg06988.html Dec 25 20:25:54 that thread on the mailiing list is related to ipv6 Dec 25 20:26:00 and it seems qualcomm charges extra for the ipv6 baseband functionality Dec 25 20:27:15 http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg07197.html is encouraging though Dec 25 20:27:59 I like the "should be shot" attitude Dec 25 20:28:28 people doing new implementations with the v4 only apis should have their keyboards confiscated Dec 25 20:28:29 they probably will be shot middle of next year :P Dec 25 20:29:38 SwedeMike: had to chuckle when I read that Dec 25 20:29:41 someone should include a popup for all apps which use the old APIs saying "this app uses legacy network API and will stop to function soon" Dec 25 20:31:09 if you have a meego.com account, you can add a remark to my bug http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 Dec 25 20:33:14 unfortunately I do not. Dec 25 20:33:45 they will listen more to manufacturers I think Dec 25 20:34:57 well, I'm just a poor network operator. Dec 25 20:35:00 but what I'm seeing is that IPv6 is working fine, its just not visible Dec 25 20:35:24 ipv6 on ethernet I'm not worried about, I'm worried about it on the mobile side. Dec 25 20:35:49 * dm8tbr votes up a few ipv6 bugs on BMC Dec 25 20:46:44 Stskeeps: thanks for the help and sorry for dropping off. meanwhile, i seem to be unable to even reconfigure my wlan0 interface. any iwconfig commands seem to work, but nothing gets really et. iwconfig wlan0 commit gives an error "SET failed on device wlan0 ; operation not supported" Dec 25 20:47:19 s/really et./really set./ Dec 25 20:47:20 Ascen_ meant: Stskeeps: thanks for the help and sorry for dropping off. meanwhile, i seem to be unable to even reconfigure my wlan0 interface. any iwconfig commands seem to work, but nothing gets really set. iwconfig wlan0 commit gives an error "SET failed on device w... Dec 25 20:48:34 8I .. that is such a cool bot feature! Dec 25 20:49:00 what adapter are you using Ascen_ ? Dec 25 20:50:33 I got a similar message with my rt3090 I just had to drop the rt3090.bin firmware on /lib/firmware and it worked Dec 25 20:50:33 lspci gives me network controller: RaLink RT2860 etherrnet ctrlr: atheros ar8121 Dec 25 20:51:21 RT2860 is the wireless, can you give me the vendor and hardware id? Dec 25 20:52:37 beford: how do I get those? it's the default chip of asus eeepc900 but I'm guessing that's not what you mean. Dec 25 20:53:16 lspci -nn Dec 25 20:56:16 btw what meego version are you using? there is a bug on 1.1 release I believe with ralink adapters Dec 25 20:56:25 1.2 is working ok for me Dec 25 20:56:33 except for the missing firmware which I had to add Dec 25 21:07:44 beford: 1.1, the line with ids is "01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] Dec 25 21:12:59 * lcuk wonders how come got into bug fixing convo Dec 25 21:17:25 beford: 1.1, the line with ids is "01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] Dec 25 21:18:04 is there a 1.2 release of the netbook somewhere? the roadmap somewhere set 1.2 date far into 2011 Dec 25 21:20:29 check this thread http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html Dec 25 21:20:58 there are some weekly images for 1.2 but it's not released yep Dec 25 21:25:51 kyb3R: what was a public url where it was said it should be meego summit ? Dec 25 21:27:49 hi guys Dec 25 21:28:30 hiya Dec 25 21:34:29 evening kathy Dec 25 21:34:42 Evening Stskeeps Dec 25 21:35:00 hi Kathy Dec 25 21:35:00 Quiet here - Guess everyone is Being Festive Dec 25 21:36:04 RevdKathy: maybe you remember me asking for your advice? at the end I had my own idea :) look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 Dec 25 21:37:02 Venemo_N900, that's brilliant! I used to have a little programme that would do that in windows years ago. Hours of fun! Dec 25 21:37:35 RevdKathy: the app works on desktop too :) Dec 25 21:37:55 I just haven't packaged it for desktop yet Dec 25 21:38:14 Let me know when it's available in extras or testing and I'll d/l it! Dec 25 21:38:40 RevdKathy: it's in devel, but the guys didn't find any bugs Dec 25 21:38:51 so you're safe to go Dec 25 21:39:03 Sounds good! I'll take a look. And well done on the idea! Dec 25 21:39:12 thx :) Dec 25 21:40:12 hey RevdKathy .... had a merry xmas ? :) Dec 25 21:40:47 Had a bearable Christmas thank, lbt. You? Dec 25 21:41:02 rather enjoyable ... Dec 25 21:41:08 RevdKathy: if you don't wanna add devel, you can download the app and the sources here Dec 25 21:41:14 RevdKathy: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/puzzle-master/1.0.0/ Dec 25 21:41:37 RevdKathy: if you have a Qt creator, it takes a push of a button to run it on your desktop too Dec 25 21:41:53 Venemo_N900, It's ok, I can enable devel, collect what I want and back out very carefully, not touching any of the furniture. I'm good at that! Dec 25 21:42:19 Venemo_N900, sadly, nothing about me is Qt. ;) Dec 25 21:42:19 mmm ... you'll enjoy the OBS then Dec 25 21:42:40 lbt OBS? Dec 25 21:42:42 you enable 'devel' for individual packages Dec 25 21:42:47 RevdKathy: well there's a "play" button (a green triangle) in Qt creator ;) Dec 25 21:43:05 meego equivalant of autobuilder and the maemo repos RevdKathy Dec 25 21:43:06 Right - I think! Dec 25 21:43:16 backporting for fremantle we hope Dec 25 21:43:25 lbt - I think I follow you. Sort of. Dec 25 21:46:03 RevdKathy: yeah - it means that if you wanted to follow Venemo_N900's latest devel packages for that app then you wouldn't see the rest of the ...... interesting packages :) Dec 25 21:46:50 That'd be useful. Though I'm quite able to go into devel, snatch what I want and leave. Never tempted to 'upgrade' anything to an unstable version Dec 25 21:47:05 but that way you don;t get upgrades for the things you do install from devel Dec 25 21:47:30 with the OBS/PPA method you can leave the repos enabled and get upgrades, without worrying about breaking anything else Dec 25 21:47:39 yes, exactly Dec 25 21:47:55 that's nice ali1234 Dec 25 21:48:06 this is a good thing, and OBS does seem a bit easier to cope with than launchpad for this task (for the developer i mean) Dec 25 21:48:09 So it does the will-power temptation resisting for me - nifty! Dec 25 21:48:46 heh Dec 25 21:48:54 basically this gives you a separate repo for every program, if you want to follow the bleeding edge Dec 25 21:49:03 RevdKathy: I've disabled both Extras and testing... :P Dec 25 21:49:12 (not just every program, but every version of every program, if the developers choose to publish) Dec 25 21:49:42 Venemo_N900, I have both there but not enabled unless I want to go fetch something specific. Dec 25 21:49:42 (well, not version, but fork/branch) Dec 25 21:50:42 RevdKathy: for non-power-users this is the recommended way yes. Dec 25 21:51:15 Venemo_N900, yes, I agree. Has always worked for me. I fetch items people invite me to try out usually. Dec 25 21:51:33 cool RevdKathy :) Dec 25 21:51:40 :) Dec 25 21:52:02 lemme know if you tried my little app. if you have ideas/suggestions, they're welcome as always Dec 25 21:55:10 I will - may be a day or two though. Am at work as normal all next week - and work is NOT normal at the moment. :( Dec 25 21:55:36 :( Dec 25 22:56:15 hi. I don't have a wireless connection listed under my Networks tab on my Asus 1000H. any ideas? Dec 25 23:00:47 check this thread http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html Dec 25 23:04:25 thanks beford Dec 25 23:30:23 well I won't be using meego. others in that thread wrote about how wifi routinely disconnects on the Asus 1000H. I have the same problem. Dec 25 23:30:41 off to ubuntu Dec 26 02:54:39 * sportman waves Dec 26 02:57:51 * lcuk waves at sportman Dec 26 02:58:49 so i was wondering Dec 26 02:58:54 i see the meego netbook isntalls Dec 26 02:59:00 and the ability to install touch framework Dec 26 02:59:06 but is there any special touch edition for tablets? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 26 02:59:56 2010