**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 02:59:56 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 04:44:34 2010 Dec 28 06:05:06 morning Dec 28 07:59:51 â¬g 46 Dec 28 08:00:24 Stskeeps: fell asleep on top the keyboard? Dec 28 08:00:31 :) Dec 28 08:00:53 timoph: gprs lag, in a car in .dk somewherfe Dec 28 08:01:04 ah Dec 28 08:01:26 should really set up irssi proxy.. Dec 28 08:02:36 Stskeeps, get a CB whip aerial for your phone! Dec 28 08:03:06 you could probably maintain direct connection with home wifi wherever you are :P Dec 28 08:05:14 heh a nice 'DV-27 long' :D Dec 28 08:05:45 o_O I once had a thunderpole Dec 28 08:06:42 lcuk: fun fact, as a radio-amateur that would really work as you could connect to a gateway via shortwave. only down sides: no encryption allowed and the usable bitrate can be in the two-digit range Dec 28 08:07:06 yeah Dec 28 08:07:41 I think there are still world-convers nodes (chat network somehow predating IRC) on shortwave Dec 28 08:08:22 heh Dec 28 08:08:50 i was looking at the example key basic features report this morning http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20basic%20feature/Ncdk/435 Dec 28 08:09:30 (and which has just been discussed also in the qa-meeting) Dec 28 08:10:05 it seems to me that many of the bugs are somehow compositor related Dec 28 09:04:22 achipa: \o Dec 28 09:04:44 timoph: \o Dec 28 09:05:09 achipa: is that demo you did at TAMK available somewhere? the qml physics engine thingy Dec 28 09:08:52 timoph: sure, http://gitorious.org/~achipa/qml-box2d/achipas-qml-box2d Dec 28 09:09:00 thanks Dec 28 09:09:12 timoph: though it seems I have not pushed in a while, let me update the stuff Dec 28 09:09:20 ack Dec 28 09:20:46 timoph, is it possible for you to be pushing a build of this onto the community area? Dec 28 09:22:03 achipa: \o Dec 28 09:22:38 achipa, would you end up adding meego rpm packaging into the already existing qtc_packaging folder? Dec 28 09:22:42 lcuk: build.pub.? yes. I can add it there Dec 28 09:22:52 kyb3R: \o Dec 28 09:23:02 cool Dec 28 09:23:18 lcuk: we seem to have a volunteer :) Dec 28 09:23:31 merge requests/patches welcome :) Dec 28 09:23:35 :) Dec 28 09:24:02 achipa, heh, well timoph has prior form for bringing apps to meego! Dec 28 09:24:13 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Dec 28 09:25:56 it would be good to have a packaging patch directly in the gitorious - so that people can learn the differences, from what I can see your debian folder is the minimum required and simplistic and understandable already Dec 28 09:27:10 I compiled a software on meego that i'd like to use, if I package it , how do I get it to meego repos? Dec 28 09:30:11 ohai Dec 28 09:32:39 I want to build my application (uses autotools and such) for Meego, where should I start? I've installed Meego SDK on my system and created the target. Dec 28 09:39:03 1) Get rid of autotools Dec 28 09:39:26 2) Accept qmake as your new lord Dec 28 09:40:14 not possible :) Dec 28 09:40:47 Then go directly to item 3) Suffer! Dec 28 09:42:07 well that just cant be the only way Dec 28 09:42:12 [Actually, either look for "local obs" on the Net or contact lbt] Dec 28 09:42:27 thresh: for non meego api stuff community obs or your own obs setup is besgt Dec 28 09:42:34 best Dec 28 09:42:47 so getting meego sdk and meego runtime is not enough? Dec 28 09:42:47 Because Meego SDK (aka MADDE) is basically a crosscompiling toolchain, it will choke on autoconf Dec 28 09:42:53 oh ok Dec 28 09:43:17 I was hoping it was possible to build while logged in to qemu image Dec 28 09:43:35 thresh: sure you can, just zypper install stuff Dec 28 09:43:43 (for x86) Dec 28 09:43:48 ok, that should be better for the first time Dec 28 09:44:02 need to adapt spec file mostly now Dec 28 09:44:08 Stskeeps: Is there a similar qemu based setup for the ARM though? Dec 28 09:44:33 x86 is good enough right now Dec 28 09:44:50 RST38h: yes, but not actively working with UI. even a n900 could be used for devel Dec 28 09:48:01 Stskeeps: GUI isn't much of an issue, just need something to compile apps on Dec 28 09:48:31 Stskeeps: MADDE works for my apps (no autoconf), but there are others. And it does look like OBS is too heavy to be practical. Dec 28 09:48:31 RST38h: ok Dec 28 09:48:59 I don't care for GUI Dec 28 09:49:03 RST38h: would love to discuss but am on slow gprs :P Dec 28 09:49:06 bbl Dec 28 09:49:17 RST38h: You can make an armv7 loopback image, modify the zypper repos to daily, update to the latest and start compiling inside chroot Dec 28 09:49:47 Aha Dec 28 09:50:26 can MeeGo make phonecalls with the earpiece yet? Dec 28 09:50:36 RST38h: i guess you've read this? http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation Dec 28 09:53:38 sandst: not yet Dec 28 09:56:33 RST38h: ookay. here's the quick steps on how to do it: http://pastebin.com/XSbjMCU1 (use Fedora for armv7 image creation, ia32 works with e.g. ubuntu too) Dec 28 09:58:24 RST38h: and you will need things such as qemu-arm-static for creating the image Dec 28 09:58:24 http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Setting_up_your_development_environment Dec 28 09:59:53 thanks! (saving instructions) Dec 28 10:00:51 RST38h: oh, and for the kickstart, add '@Development Tools' and '@Development Libraries' to the package groups + set part --size e.g. to 3000 to have enough space in your chroot Dec 28 10:01:57 RST38h, direct on n900, how long does your app take to build? Dec 28 10:02:03 have you actually tried? Dec 28 10:02:29 No idea, have not tried Dec 28 10:03:18 VLC would probably be done in a week. Dec 28 10:03:23 i mean, compile on n900 :) Dec 28 10:03:45 yeah well thats understandable Dec 28 10:11:07 Venemo, I do not think so Dec 28 10:11:14 thx lcuk Dec 28 10:11:34 bry [morning] Dec 28 10:12:31 Venemo, theres a mail on -dev at the moment "pulseaudio reversion plan" Dec 28 10:12:34 which says: Dec 28 10:12:34 Pulseaudio will be downgraded to 0.9.19 due to integrating patches for policy framework and voice call features. We plan to integrate the new PA package after the holiday (Jan 3) for QA's testing. Dec 28 10:12:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/7645 Dec 28 10:13:06 which I believe would be related to your question Dec 28 10:13:19 hi Mat_Matan Dec 28 10:14:18 great, thank you lcuk Dec 28 10:20:25 lcuk: Dec 28 10:20:28 hey! Dec 28 10:20:40 !yeh Dec 28 10:21:22 how goes in this dog eat dog world? Dec 28 10:41:07 hey guys, have a couple questions for things I'm trying to get working. Firstly, does the initial login screen not use pam? It doesn't seem to be catching changes in my /etc/pam.d/system-auth file Dec 28 11:56:34 hmm, when I issue the sudo mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron command, it starts the qemu, and then after 10 seconds or so shutdowns itself Dec 28 11:57:15 it looks like it enter 1024x600 resolution (starts X?) and then dies Dec 28 11:59:40 how do I debug it? Dec 28 11:59:58 try init level 3? Dec 28 12:00:33 uhm, on my host machine? Dec 28 12:01:13 QEMU_NOGRAPHIC=yes also fails (as I can see in ps) Dec 28 12:09:30 hello Dec 28 12:30:08 looks like I have the same error as in http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-September/000308.html Dec 28 13:01:56 moo Dec 28 13:01:57 mee Dec 28 13:02:01 goo Dec 28 13:02:09 i want moo goo Dec 28 13:27:06 hey Dec 28 13:27:07 AOE@Ur Dec 28 13:27:07 )@&E#(R Dec 28 13:27:28 cat on the kbd? Dec 28 13:33:38 dm8tbr, funny you mention that, because my darn cat keeps jumping on the keyboard unwelcome Dec 28 13:34:06 :) Dec 28 13:35:37 chat Dec 28 13:35:38 kat Dec 28 13:40:53 xchat vs ex-cat Dec 28 13:49:56 dkw9j, your cat is strange Dec 28 13:50:05 when mine sits on the keyboard all he ever types is "meow" Dec 28 13:50:29 german kat Dec 28 13:50:46 !translate kat Dec 28 13:50:59 dontk now Dec 28 13:51:14 "miauen" then Dec 28 13:51:40 but this is English speaking channel, so please ask him not to do that Dec 28 13:51:46 clukcluk Dec 28 13:53:30 if your cat starts speaking in complete sentences someone needs help, the cat or you. Dec 28 13:54:06 berndhs, not complete sentences, he just types meow when hes hungry or something Dec 28 13:54:21 ah, nothing to worry about it then Dec 28 13:58:13 and he types poop on kbd too after eating ? Dec 28 13:59:05 dkw9j, don't be silly, he poops outside but waves at the cctv to let me know hes done Dec 28 14:00:18 * Chani giggles Dec 28 14:05:17 :) Dec 28 14:07:39 lcuk: now I have an image of a cat in the garden reading the times Dec 28 14:12:01 CosmoHill: again, the cat reading is not an issue. The cat writing op-ed for the Times however... Dec 28 14:12:36 i guess we're way past the times when a cat can argue on irc.. and win Dec 28 14:13:13 I wouldn't mind a cat but it might try and eat Freddy Dec 28 14:13:31 indeed, the modern trolls can't recognise an unwavering opponent Dec 28 14:14:34 I have a huge problem with bots on a forum I hang out on Dec 28 14:14:55 blergh Dec 28 14:15:00 and Schroedinger had it backwards, *we* are the cat in his experiment Dec 28 14:15:04 seems like qemugl is incompatible with nvidia Dec 28 14:53:42 Hello, I want to change my passwd on build.meego.com, can anyone here help ? Dec 28 15:18:58 hi i am new too meego and wondering if ivi can be used on a ion board Dec 28 15:20:06 it states that it does not include a hd accelerated driver Dec 28 15:21:05 iztech, what is ion board? Dec 28 15:21:19 atom with ion gpu Dec 28 15:22:53 nvidia Dec 28 15:23:00 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=120 MeeGo on ION? Dec 28 15:23:26 huh i searched ion and got no hits - weird - thx Dec 28 15:23:45 the forum suggests no worky yet. and until someone with specific nvidia knowledge and skills steps forward to help deal with issues.. Dec 28 15:26:36 how do I connect to wifi from command line on meego handset? Dec 28 15:26:49 the UI seems to be non-functional in the latest builds Dec 28 15:27:37 iwconfig? Dec 28 15:27:39 I've tried killing connman and manually running iwconfig, wpa_supplicant but then my attempts are foiled by a missing dhclient Dec 28 15:29:12 so I'm assuming dhcp is handled by a connman plugin or something instead? Dec 28 15:29:13 looks like this guy got i running on ion - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1228 Dec 28 15:29:35 i searched on IVI forum for ion Dec 28 15:30:04 iztech, he said he got it working on his desktop geforce? Dec 28 15:30:07 but really Dec 28 15:30:11 please try it yourself Dec 28 15:30:19 and if you get it working thats fantastic! Dec 28 15:31:44 well i was looking into seeing which board to get for ivi Dec 28 15:32:19 hmm. 666 unread messages in my meego folder. hehe Dec 28 15:32:44 * lcuk pours a bottle of holy water on Chani Dec 28 15:32:52 oh cripes, sorry, that was coke. Dec 28 15:35:37 is there any way to get gst h264 codecs in meego? Dec 28 15:38:36 apol: compile && install them :) Dec 28 15:39:08 timoph: what? h264 libraries? gst codecs? everything? Dec 28 15:39:20 dunno. just saying :) Dec 28 15:39:32 ok.. Dec 28 15:39:38 I bought the codecs pack from fluendo and everything just works Dec 28 15:52:52 alterego, does your app work with qtmobility on meego handset n900? Dec 28 15:53:00 gps elements I mean Dec 28 15:53:37 No, we don't have GPS Dec 28 15:53:40 (yet) Dec 28 15:54:00 roger Dec 28 15:54:09 It has some maemo specific UI code in as well, which I've pushed into a more contained area. I want to work on a desktop and meego version Dec 28 15:54:12 As well as symbian Dec 28 15:54:13 do you know which bugs/fea are required/filed? Dec 28 15:54:45 Erm, we spoke about it in the last meego-arm meeting a couple of weeks ago. Dec 28 15:54:49 Can't remember what was decided. Dec 28 15:56:18 ok alterego could you just have a glance on bugs. and see if there are any actual bug/fea already there Dec 28 15:56:25 so I can cc myself onto them Dec 28 15:57:27 alterego, ahhh bug 6853 looks likely Dec 28 15:57:29 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6853 nor, Low, 1.2, brian.harring, ASSI, GPS device / gpsd are not configured/run by default Dec 28 15:57:58 bug 1308 Dec 28 15:58:00 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1308 nor, Medium, ---, kevron_m_rees, ASSI, Run time status panel Gps On/Off button does not work Dec 28 15:59:32 alterego, but a specific one for qtmobility would help us to keep up Dec 28 16:00:59 bug 10926 Dec 28 16:01:02 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10926 enh, High, 1.1.80.11, sunil.thaha, ACCE, [FEA] QT Mobility 1.1 - Location - Maps & Navigation Dec 28 16:01:32 is it fine to purchase N900 for dev purpose for Meego apps... or things can be achieved in simulators itself, never tried Meego, just want your advice as I'm seriously looking to go in Meego Dev Dec 28 16:01:36 Yeah Dec 28 16:02:05 bug 11442 Dec 28 16:02:07 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11442 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] QtMobility Location API needs backend plugin Dec 28 16:03:03 alterego, do you think that covers most of the bases already without new bugs? Dec 28 16:03:17 or should we add a mobility 1.2 bug? Dec 28 16:03:26 (I am cced on all those now) Dec 28 16:05:16 I think our blocker is not having liblocation backend. Dec 28 16:05:39 Which already exists in Qt Mobility, the problem is N900 MeeGo adaptation doesn't have liblocation (because it's closed) Dec 28 16:06:49 alterego, would you like to describe that in specific terms if its not already done so on existing bug report :) Dec 28 16:07:09 So we were looking at gettin a short term closed liblocation in for meego 1.2, or, get something done ourselves, which isn't trivial, mainly because of agps Dec 28 16:07:10 since you know what is required Dec 28 16:07:21 Well, I don't know if I know what is required :P Dec 28 16:07:37 I thought we had already actioned something at the last meeting, I'd ping Stskeeps and see if he remembers :) Dec 28 16:07:38 alterego, you having done gps app have looked a lot more closely than I Dec 28 16:07:45 and since you already use qt mobility on maemo Dec 28 16:07:51 have knowledge of the api itself too Dec 28 16:08:09 :) you are in ideal position to at least kickstart it Dec 28 16:08:19 Well, I did :P Dec 28 16:08:26 so wheres the bug ? Dec 28 16:08:36 it did not come up in that list did it? Dec 28 16:08:53 No, none of those look N900 specific, which is what this is. Dec 28 16:59:13 is lbt around? Dec 28 17:01:49 indeed I am magius_pendragon.... Dec 28 17:02:05 how may I be of service... ? Dec 28 17:02:07 lbt: I believe I should ping you about access to the obs? Dec 28 17:02:15 yup ... Dec 28 17:02:39 sanity check: are you doing opensource development of 'apps' Dec 28 17:03:18 not at teh moment, I was actually hoping to use it to get some software that I've been missing into the repos Dec 28 17:03:44 OK it's mainly to get you to promise not to try and rebuild all of MeeGo in your home area ;) Dec 28 17:04:03 and to ensure you're not looking to build your company's closed code on there Dec 28 17:04:03 lbt: sounds reasonable, I saw the thing about the arm guy Dec 28 17:04:16 your meego account ? Dec 28 17:04:23 magiuspendragon Dec 28 17:05:21 lbt: btw is there some limitations on what is allowed to be build in obs? e.g. gst ugly plugins Dec 28 17:06:47 magius_pendragon: done Dec 28 17:06:56 timoph: don't break the law :) Dec 28 17:07:07 :) Dec 28 17:07:10 timoph: please don't ask me which laws Dec 28 17:07:23 'cos in all seriousness... that's the problem Dec 28 17:07:34 * timoph was just about to ask that :) Dec 28 17:07:47 lbt: thanks Dec 28 17:07:52 as I mentioned in my slightly irate mail to -community... the box lives in the "land of the free" Dec 28 17:08:08 ah Dec 28 17:08:19 understood Dec 28 17:09:07 OTOH Intel are rich so they can probably get away with anything .... Dec 28 17:09:09 I'm still having trouble booting the netbook image. Where is the best place to ask for help? Dec 28 17:09:18 * lbt runs and hides Dec 28 17:09:27 :) Dec 28 17:10:08 #meego ... *the* place for political commentary Dec 28 17:10:28 so we just add a reame that says 'please send all bills to intel' Dec 28 17:10:36 readme Dec 28 17:10:48 hmmm that didn't even work at a restaurant.... Dec 28 17:11:01 :) Dec 28 17:11:18 (+Hi) Dec 28 17:11:29 voyager_za: hi Dec 28 17:12:03 maybe I'll just continue packaging free stuff.. Dec 28 17:12:06 magius_pendragon: hi. Dec 28 17:12:18 timoph: probably the safest Dec 28 17:12:27 *nod* Dec 28 17:12:34 voyager_za: what's the issue? I can't promise an answer, but... Dec 28 17:12:39 but I'd like an mp3 codec for my lenovo please Dec 28 17:13:17 (hi voyager_za.... and the irc mantra is "just ask") Dec 28 17:13:20 hmmh. someone should port osc & all to maemo5 Dec 28 17:13:30 just needs python Dec 28 17:13:43 magius_pendragon: after using either of the two methods to copy the netbook image to the usb drive I get an Operating system load error. Dec 28 17:13:47 so it should work as is Dec 28 17:13:49 cool Dec 28 17:14:47 I'm using a Gigabyte Q1000C and an 8GB usb drive (in case it matters) Dec 28 17:15:13 Oh, and I have already installed Ubuntu netbook from usb, so it works in principle Dec 28 17:16:13 voyager_za: are you burning from inside linux? Dec 28 17:16:48 voyager_za: is the device partitioned? Dec 28 17:17:52 magius_pendragon: 1. yes Dec 28 17:18:03 2. /dev/sdb1 * 1 823 842752 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS Dec 28 17:19:29 voyager_za: I feel like it needs to be FAT32 to boot, not NTFS but don't quote me on that. I think when I did it, it was overwriting the partition table Dec 28 17:20:18 voyager_za: but I feel like image-writer did the right thing when I tried that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:34 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:49 2010 Dec 28 17:22:50 magius_pendragon: thanks - I'm going to try the windows app again, I think I had a different result with that. Dec 28 17:23:20 * voyager_za reboots Dec 28 17:23:20 voyager_za: okay, good luck. Dec 28 17:23:58 anyone know how (if at all) the X login stuff on the netbook build uses pam? it seems to be ignoring /etc/pam.d/system-auth Dec 28 17:35:51 okay, alternate question: I've been playing with using the handset ux on a netbook (will become a tablet), but the ux boundaries and x boundary doesn't line up, the ux isn't using the full screen. Anyone know how to alter that resolution? Dec 28 17:54:31 lcuk2: meanwhile in Finland: http://i.imgur.com/caybr.jpg Dec 28 17:54:43 (duno where it actually is) Dec 28 17:58:35 hmm, chromuim crashes on a google website, interesting Dec 28 18:22:49 wow CosmoHill thats quite a deep slice through the snow Dec 28 18:38:10 lcuk: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html Dec 28 18:44:54 :D CosmoHill Dec 28 18:44:59 ok, the Qt property system officially sucks Dec 28 18:45:06 thats old stuff but highly amusing Dec 28 18:45:25 ali1234, for real? what part dont you like? Dec 28 18:45:54 where to start Dec 28 18:46:10 you can;t define a Q_PROPERTY to handle anything that can't go in a QVariant Dec 28 18:46:37 so if you want to give your class a "colour" property, you can't, because QColor won;t go in a QVariant Dec 28 18:46:54 QVariant pretty much only handles int, float and string Dec 28 18:47:26 you also can't connect() to the signals emitted by a Q_PROPERTY by using the property name Dec 28 18:47:27 QVariant does a whole pile of other things Dec 28 18:47:33 so it is rather pointless Dec 28 18:47:38 doubles lineedits, maps Dec 28 18:47:39 introspection is basically half baked Dec 28 18:47:50 you can look but you can't touch Dec 28 18:48:04 without proper introspection, Q_PROPERTY is just a bunch of extra work with no payoff Dec 28 18:49:45 the documentation sucks too Dec 28 18:50:05 so it has taken me several days to figure out the it doesn't do what i want Dec 28 18:50:12 it looks like it should, but it doesn't Dec 28 18:52:00 ermm who has seen toy story 3? Dec 28 18:59:10 hmm... ok you can put QColor into a QVariant in a round about sort of way... Dec 28 19:00:05 i thought you could store anything in a variant? Dec 28 19:00:34 yeah you have to do: QColor color = variant.value(); Dec 28 19:01:03 i still can't figure out how you connect to a property's change signal though Dec 28 19:02:33 exposing signals and slots from the inner object to your main item? Dec 28 19:03:38 no, fetching them using introspection Dec 28 19:04:05 convert back to a qobject and use introspection on that Dec 28 19:04:15 remember, a qvariant can hold an int Dec 28 19:04:19 which has no signals slots afaik? Dec 28 19:04:33 yes: object->metaObject()->property(object->metaObject()->indexOfProperty("myProperty")).notifySignal() Dec 28 19:04:52 but you can't connect() with it, because connect() only accepts char* Dec 28 19:05:05 and you have to use the SIGNAL() macro or else it fails horrible Dec 28 19:05:29 do you routinely connect signals/slots to anonymous objects? Dec 28 19:05:34 yes Dec 28 19:05:40 why not? Dec 28 19:06:01 i suppose it depends on what you are trying to make/use it for Dec 28 19:06:03 you think i should design a new GUI by hand for every single possible object i ever might want to modify in someway? Dec 28 19:06:41 you mean like the qtcreator properties grid? Dec 28 19:06:48 exactly like that, yes Dec 28 19:06:53 it must be possible Dec 28 19:06:59 :) Dec 28 19:07:07 why dont you see how that works ;) Dec 28 19:07:15 cos the qt creator code is huge Dec 28 19:07:33 yeah many codebases are Dec 28 19:07:40 but its just a class tree at the end of the day Dec 28 19:07:45 and a bit of grep Dec 28 19:08:34 in windows world, there was a tool called spy++ which allowed viewing the class names of each and every element in an app gui tree Dec 28 19:08:37 so you could do that Dec 28 19:08:52 in meego, theres an app called testrunner Dec 28 19:09:05 it also generates a tree of the entire structure of an app Dec 28 19:09:14 run that, load up qtcreator, find the class Dec 28 19:09:18 bing.. Dec 28 19:09:38 seems too easy Dec 28 19:09:59 introspection is powerful ;) Dec 28 19:10:12 just follow your nose Dec 28 19:10:42 i shouldn't have to do this... Dec 28 19:10:49 introspection should just work... Dec 28 19:10:55 then read the full docs on introspection Dec 28 19:11:14 i have done Dec 28 19:11:24 they skip over the part where you actually use it for something Dec 28 19:11:27 then look at how other people did it before you Dec 28 19:11:31 stand on their shoulders ) Dec 28 19:11:58 anyway, i am vanishing. Dec 28 19:12:01 good luck ali1234 Dec 28 19:27:05 hmmmm Dec 28 19:27:38 QPalette is broken too, QPalette::Button is supposed to change the button background colour, but it doesn't, it changes the button border colour instead Dec 28 19:28:26 * CosmoHill gives ali1234 some sticky toffee Dec 28 19:30:29 http://imagebin.org/129948 Dec 28 19:30:49 cf. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/images/palette.png Dec 28 19:41:30 Hi All, Is there a way to get logs of all system services running on meego ( Similar to adb logcat in Android ) ? Dec 28 19:42:54 haroun: syslog stuff ends up in /var/log. If you want just one stream for the whole universe, you'll need to do a little configuration of your own. Dec 28 19:46:50 andyross: thanks for replying... Can you please give me some pointers for configuring universally ? Dec 28 19:49:39 magius_pendragon: still no luck booting meego :-( Dec 28 19:50:33 clearly I'm doing something wrong Dec 28 19:50:39 haroun: you need to edit /etc/syslog.conf Dec 28 19:50:53 google that and sysklogd to get the details Dec 28 19:57:18 Sorry, AFK. What timoph said: check "man syslog.conf", and maybe think about what it is you're trying to do. Dec 28 19:58:34 andyross: Thanks .. I look into it Dec 28 20:57:55 so... I've been pulling my hair out getting the netbook image to boot on my Atom netbook. Turns out it works fine on my non-Atom laptop. Isn't that a bit weird? Dec 28 20:58:28 thats a bit awesome Dec 28 20:58:31 what device? Dec 28 20:59:04 the laptop? Dell Vostro A860 (Intel dual core) Dec 28 20:59:24 the netbook: Gigabyte Q1000C (Atom N450) Dec 28 21:00:15 I don't know if it's a BIOS issue maybe? Dec 28 21:01:08 voyager_za: what is the problem? Dec 28 21:01:15 how does it not boot? Dec 28 21:01:54 Hi All, I am facing an issue while booting Meego netbook image on moorsetown platform... The issue is whenever i am trying to boot the Meego either "Welcome logo" displays on LCD screen or console on serial port works .. But both doesn't work at a same time.. Anyone face the same issue ??? Any pointers to this issue pls ??? Dec 28 21:02:08 jonnor: I go into the boot menu, pick the usb drive and then I get a black screen with msg "Operating system load error." Dec 28 21:02:25 voyager_za: instantly? Dec 28 21:02:56 voyager_za: this is the same usb stick you used for the laptop? Dec 28 21:02:57 jonnor: pretty much. then it continues into Grub where I have Windows 7/Ubuntu Netbook Dec 28 21:03:06 jonnor: exactly the same one Dec 28 21:03:31 on the laptop I also have dual boot, Vista/Ubuntu Dec 28 21:04:01 I used the windows image writer method. Dec 28 21:04:27 voyager_za: and you've made sure USB is the topmost boot device choice, and that there are no other USB mass storage devices plugged in? Dec 28 21:04:58 check memory-card slots as well Dec 28 21:05:34 well, should not really be a problem if you chose the device explicitly Dec 28 21:05:49 but yes, this def. sounds like a potential BIOS issue Dec 28 21:07:17 jonnor: It identifies the device by brand name, so I don't thing there is confusion about that. I'll try with usb as the topmost choice - I changed the order recently as a test. Dec 28 21:07:31 voyager_za, apologies for vanishing, would you kindly fill your machines in on the devices page: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Dec 28 21:07:55 What I meant about weirdness though: I thought the arch would be different for the two devices Dec 28 21:08:05 lcuk: will do Dec 28 21:18:53 jonnor: the problem with the bios theory is that I installed Ubuntu Netbook via usb on the Gigabyte with no issues... Dec 28 21:21:30 voyager_za: well, there are some bios incompatabilities with isolinux, so if Meego is using that it could explain it... Anyhow, I'd check the bugtracker for related issues Dec 28 21:24:07 jonnor:which bugtracker? Dec 28 21:24:18 voyager_za: bugs.meego.org Dec 28 21:25:25 .com Dec 28 21:27:27 stskeeps: thanks Dec 28 21:27:43 jonnor: I think this covers the problem: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11181 Dec 28 21:28:37 I remember getting the other error message before, possibly with a different .img Dec 28 21:30:07 voyager_za: this looks related. Check out the workaround, and remeber to fill in your details if this also affects your machine Dec 28 21:42:17 hello, I'm trying to understand how to develop a good ui for meego devices. Do I have to use qt quick (hence QML)? Dec 28 21:42:38 it depends what your idea of a "good" ui is Dec 28 21:43:03 good ui == something like the widgetsgallery Dec 28 21:43:22 ali1234: I noticed that qt menu are not really attractive/useful on meego handset emulator Dec 28 21:43:36 I would like to have menus like the ones used in the widgetsgallery example Dec 28 21:43:43 i'm not familiar withit Dec 28 21:43:56 it's installed inside of meego emulator Dec 28 21:44:07 i don't have the meego emulator installed... Dec 28 21:44:16 and its code is under git://gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components.git Dec 28 21:45:11 jonnor: w00t! Dec 28 21:45:15 ali1234: are you using qml? Dec 28 21:45:20 no Dec 28 21:46:04 ali1234: do you use QMenu & c? Dec 28 21:46:10 no Dec 28 21:46:24 i just use widgets like QSlider, QPushButton etc Dec 28 21:46:55 QSplitter, QGridLayout... Dec 28 21:46:58 and so on Dec 28 21:47:08 i don't use the designer much, i just generate everything in code Dec 28 21:47:24 voyager_za: works? :) Dec 28 21:53:01