**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 31 02:59:58 2010 Dec 31 03:56:18 morning Dec 31 11:09:17 can one expect that there will be 'entry-level' meego-based smart-phones, or it is reserved for high-end only? Dec 31 11:11:12 hello, I need to package a meego app. I'm familiar with obs but I do not have an account Dec 31 11:11:15 could someone help me? Dec 31 11:12:45 flavio, the wiki contains an expanse of information :) Dec 31 11:12:49 gour: this is an educated guess only (I have no information on the subject); I expect to see mid-range/high'ish phones at first, then the high-end devices and the low-end devices only after those two markets have been churned Dec 31 11:12:59 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging Dec 31 11:13:10 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines Dec 31 11:13:15 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial Dec 31 11:13:30 gour: for the simple reason that low-end devices are *extremely* appliance-like, so the usual modification capabilities of higher-end devices does not come into play nearly as much Dec 31 11:14:17 lcuk: the wiki says that I hve to ask to lbt_away to have an account on build.meego.com Dec 31 11:14:24 lcuk: but he's away, that's my problem Dec 31 11:14:52 X-Fade is also gatekeeper if he would be around Dec 31 11:15:02 and also the very high-end stuff is something that creates a lot of visibility, so it makes a rather poor field to gamma test product lines :) Dec 31 11:15:18 it is the holiday season though Dec 31 11:15:37 Bostik: any guess when we might find ANY evic Dec 31 11:15:42 *device? Dec 31 11:16:48 gour: this is less of a guess - you're probably going to see some meego devices during the spring (treat the first models as field test prototypes); phones require a working toolkit/stack and that will only be available after QtMobility 1.2 gets out Dec 31 11:17:13 that's april, right? Dec 31 11:17:25 gour: current QtMobility 1.1 does not support permanent storage of contacts, for instance Dec 31 11:17:41 which is pretty big feature fail, I'd say Dec 31 11:18:05 * gour nods Dec 31 11:18:38 there are some other functionality gaps as well but that's the biggest and most prominent one to hit Dec 31 12:36:07 hi Dec 31 12:36:09 i'm having a trouble with zypper Dec 31 12:36:36 when i try to update, it says "error of applydeltarpm" Dec 31 12:36:50 what can I do? Dec 31 12:57:47 good morning meegoists Dec 31 12:59:11 morning Venemo_N900 Dec 31 14:03:55 Happy New Year! Dec 31 14:13:11 Termana: be not afraid of the new :) Dec 31 14:14:33 berndhs, I'm hoping this year is a better one than 2010, so no being afraid for me. Maybe I should be afraid on next new year though (2012)? :p Dec 31 14:15:10 nah, the Maya calendar makers just wanted a new contract, that's why they stopped Dec 31 14:15:51 hehe :p Dec 31 14:19:34 no fear of 2012, i'm just curious if i'd be able to get some decent smart-phone (not a high-end with all the multimedia bells & whistles) running meego during the Q2 2011? Dec 31 15:25:40 I would like to submit a meego app to the Qtest (http://goo.gl/PzuMq) contest. They require to put the app also on the ovi store bu the ovi store doesn't support the meego platform yet -> there's no way to upload the rpm containing my app :( Dec 31 15:25:45 any hint? Dec 31 15:29:29 flavio: repackage it for Maemo or Symbian Dec 31 15:29:57 I'm using libmeegocore, which isn't yet on maemo Dec 31 15:30:03 ah Dec 31 15:30:25 do a static build :) Dec 31 15:30:54 you'd still have to port meegocore to maemo :/ Dec 31 15:31:04 libmeegocore? :P Dec 31 15:31:18 what that actually does? Dec 31 15:32:24 Search results for "libmeegocore" (0) Dec 31 15:32:47 it gives you all the widgets used by native meego app Dec 31 15:33:26 I thought MeeGo app develepment is pretty much equal to Qt Dec 31 15:33:50 honestly, meego development is a mess. you don't understand what you should use Dec 31 15:33:50 flavio: you mean libmeegotouch? Dec 31 15:34:40 is web runtime still an option? or has it been killed? Dec 31 15:35:41 Stskeeps: yes, sorry Dec 31 15:36:02 ah. that. Dec 31 15:36:29 I thought that was going away and you should use plain Qt + QtQuick Dec 31 15:36:41 or something :/ Dec 31 15:36:41 adeus: think it's dead Dec 31 15:36:56 timoph: it's not clear :( Dec 31 15:37:14 flavio: no, it really isn't Dec 31 15:37:21 timoph: there are some qml components miming it: Qt components Dec 31 15:37:28 yep Dec 31 15:37:33 timoph: but the maintainer of the project told me they are experimental Dec 31 15:37:41 and they rely still on the meegotouch lib Dec 31 15:37:44 so it's a mess Dec 31 15:37:52 exatly, qml seems a bit exotic as it IMO beta Dec 31 15:38:01 is, or even alpha.. Dec 31 15:38:23 * timoph writes his apps with plain Qt Dec 31 15:40:36 hmm maybe I should send my password storage app into that contest :) Dec 31 15:41:03 wrote it just for my personal use, uses PGP encrypted files to store the data Dec 31 15:42:00 plain Qt of course Dec 31 15:42:46 did anyone else follow the orbit/dui/qt discussion in talk.maemo? Dec 31 15:42:59 will be interesting to see if all this shiny mobile-UI stuff ports back to desktops Dec 31 15:43:49 touch is a bitch to port if you don't pretty much consider it from the getgo Dec 31 15:44:53 adeus: yes you have to really separate function from UI Dec 31 15:47:19 e.g. if anyone has tried the ubuntu 10.10 netbook with unity on the ideapad, I think it has design flaws on the basic levels Dec 31 15:47:44 same goes for the meego netbook ui without tweaks Dec 31 15:48:24 Ever tried removing unity and using plain gnome desktop istead? Dec 31 15:49:09 yes Dec 31 15:49:37 I pretty much tried everything that is available in the *nix world on it :) Dec 31 15:49:41 they all suck Dec 31 15:50:14 well the WeTab Ui is kind of interesting, it would be interesting to use that on it Dec 31 15:54:25 adeus: I agree unity is currently unusable but it is an early development version Dec 31 15:55:16 adeus: did you try android on it ? It needs a newer kernel as the touchscreen is not working but other than that the image was working well Dec 31 15:56:18 works but no touchscreen? :) Dec 31 15:56:34 sounds like a phone that you can't call with :) Dec 31 15:56:39 :) Dec 31 15:56:58 adeus 1 - android 0 Dec 31 15:57:09 adeus: so if they all suck, you are going into the UI design field now ? Dec 31 15:57:35 yeah well works = it boots, and you have something on display (with the viewpad branch) Dec 31 15:57:56 but after you can't open the session :P Dec 31 15:58:14 berndhs: then they would suck even more Dec 31 15:58:38 should be a kernel problem, I recompiled it with the touchscreen driver but in 2.6.32 it is borked Dec 31 15:59:01 I would give the link to the "engineering ui" dilbert if I had one Dec 31 15:59:08 and now that 2.3 is out with 2.6.35 it should work oob so I didn't put much effort in it to be honest Dec 31 15:59:30 just wanted to compare to meego and unity Dec 31 15:59:49 so far Meego is working so much better there is no comparisons ;) Dec 31 16:11:11 Hi! Dec 31 16:11:34 What settings do I choose to boot MeeGo in VirtualBox? Dec 31 16:11:56 I can't boot it or install it from GRUB. Dec 31 16:13:36 Umeaboy: which Meego? Dec 31 16:14:03 The netbook-version. Dec 31 16:14:28 Umeaboy: see http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Dec 31 16:14:35 I believe it is still valid with 1.1 Dec 31 16:15:03 I'm in Windows atm. Dec 31 16:16:11 Okey. Dec 31 16:16:15 I didn't rename it. Dec 31 16:20:23 There's a module missing in this version. Dec 31 16:20:45 jonnor: Where do I find it? Dec 31 16:24:55 Tumi_: http://xkcd.com/ Dec 31 16:48:02 CosmoHill: :D Dec 31 16:48:20 Just about to set up my home theater system btw =) Dec 31 16:48:33 Moved yesterday to bigger apartment Dec 31 16:49:01 pics please :) Dec 31 16:49:12 You get always surprised how much stuff you have in your cupboards :D Dec 31 16:49:38 yesterday 14 hours of sweating (even though it's -15 degrees out there) Dec 31 16:49:40 Tumi_: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/battlestation-lcuk.jpg Dec 31 16:49:42 you sure about that? Dec 31 16:50:45 Oh I need to get to wash the car and then continue new years eve! Dec 31 16:50:50 Tumi_: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/26413 Dec 31 16:50:58 happy new year, have a nice evening! Dec 31 16:51:06 happy new year Tumi_ :) Dec 31 17:06:46 hi Dec 31 17:16:02 Can I compile e.g. ffmpeg with all the bits in the build.pub.meego.com as some of the bits are defined as "non-free" what ever that means in that area. The source code is available for them all as far as I know. Dec 31 17:16:16 ..? (forgot the question mark) Dec 31 17:16:46 see you guys have a good one ! happy new year Dec 31 17:18:41 Sage: there's a problem cos it's hosted in US :P Dec 31 17:18:51 Sage: local builds are a blessing in tht regard afaik Dec 31 17:19:25 hmmp. Well that is what I was affraid :/ Dec 31 17:19:45 Stskeeps: is this not documented anywhere, that implementations that are likely covered by patents are not allowed to build on the OBS? Dec 31 17:20:33 ah, that non-free means that the source is available but the process is protected by patent? Dec 31 17:21:41 yep. we need to get the obs server to europe Dec 31 17:21:42 non-free typically refers to closed source afaik Dec 31 17:22:18 Ubuntu uses the term "restricted" for software likely covered by patents Dec 31 17:23:22 jonnor: well, "don't do anything illegal" is general rule and since it's publishing from the US .. :/ Dec 31 17:23:45 but gtg Dec 31 17:24:00 Stskeeps: explicit is better than implicit, in my opinion :) Dec 31 17:24:15 jonnor: there's a community task for helping define it, afaik Dec 31 17:24:48 * Sage build XBMC with --disable-non-free and has now problems playing videos because of missing codecs Dec 31 17:25:18 well, need to look more into that thing later. Dec 31 17:25:26 Sage: Such is the world we live in Dec 31 17:25:32 Stskeeps: good Dec 31 17:25:42 worst case scenario it's trivial to set up a local obs Dec 31 17:25:53 Gstreamer is a blessing here, with its plug-in based approach Dec 31 17:26:27 Stskeeps: yes, but I don't want to setup one on my netbook :) Dec 31 17:26:53 Sage: ;) Dec 31 17:26:59 so need to setup vm to my desktop for that after getting back to my appartment :) Dec 31 17:30:06 occasionally i wouldn't mind a semi local osc build thing, ie, build these packages and resolve their deps Dec 31 17:30:14 i think there's "local packages" or something in osc build Dec 31 17:33:22 well, would be nice to get extras project to the public obs where one could commit packages that one needs in his own builds so those would be easily available for others as well. Searching from the home dirs takes time and isn't as easy as zypper search. Dec 31 17:34:30 AFAIK that's the goal with .pub. Dec 31 17:34:34 I could even volunteer as one of the package reviewers. Dec 31 17:35:23 Sage: please tell that to lbt_away when he's not _away :) Dec 31 17:39:06 timoph: ok Dec 31 17:41:32 Sage: did you catch this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/003021.html Dec 31 17:42:06 Huomenta. Looking at list of Android tablets (http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/), I guess MeeGo will run on any of the OMAP3 ones? Dec 31 17:43:33 Alison_Chaiken: nook color and archos omap3 ones with openAOS have active communities at least Dec 31 17:43:53 tegra2 might join in when we have instruction set support (sometime next month) Dec 31 17:44:57 timoph: I missed that and mostly because I'm on vacation and haven't followed every ML during this time. Thx Dec 31 17:45:09 but omap3 is always a good bet, due to GLES drivers Dec 31 17:45:44 Yeah, Stskeeps, as far as I can tell, there's no way to get a copy of the SGX drivers for OMAP4, possibly because they're not finished yet. Dec 31 17:46:04 (Unfortunately, off to service the laundry.) Dec 31 17:46:20 Alison_Chaiken: meego was successfully ported to the Archos 5 it for example Dec 31 17:46:27 * Sage didn't take post-it notes with him :P Dec 31 17:48:08 Sage: i'm back at my pandaboard post-it notes Dec 31 17:48:10 :P Dec 31 17:48:23 :) Dec 31 17:48:38 I have to go now. Cya and have a nice new year everyone. Dec 31 17:48:42 bb Dec 31 17:52:55 you too Dec 31 18:40:32 damn you new year [poland] Dec 31 18:43:15 why damn? Dec 31 18:44:14 becouse, new year always sux Dec 31 18:44:35 lepiej to już było ;-) Dec 31 18:45:27 smoku: o, chodź idziemy się najebać jak szpadle Dec 31 18:45:47 już mi blisko :D Dec 31 18:46:14 Ah, I can suddenly read Czech Dec 31 18:46:31 smoku: ja tam wale solo bimberek domowej produkcji [miętówka] Dec 31 18:46:44 i can read Czech all the time, and Chinese and Mayan Dec 31 18:46:54 dont' understand any of it though Dec 31 18:46:58 Is there a Unicode page for Mayan? Dec 31 18:47:17 berndhs, aloud? Dec 31 18:47:37 Happy New Year folks \o Dec 31 18:47:39 smoku: what language is that? Dec 31 18:47:48 no i dont want to insult those cultures Dec 31 18:48:15 lol berndhs Dec 31 18:48:23 happy new year to you too lcuk Dec 31 18:48:27 lcuk: new year sux Dec 31 18:48:41 Venemo: polish Dec 31 18:48:49 oh. Dec 31 18:48:56 sorry, I can't speak Polish Dec 31 18:49:00 Mat_Matan, you are the only one being miserable about it as far as I can see, go find a girl and kiss and sing songs for the night Dec 31 18:49:03 Incredible, looks like I can also do Polish :) Dec 31 18:49:16 RST38h, how is your suffering on this special evening? Dec 31 18:49:25 lcuk <-- practical Dec 31 18:49:42 <-- tired Dec 31 18:49:42 lcuk: [D]uck girls Dec 31 18:49:59 Venemo, sorry. this was an insider joke ;-) Dec 31 18:50:06 Mat_Matan: replace the D Dec 31 18:50:11 Mat_Matan, sometimes you find some with dual core upgraded silicon Dec 31 18:50:13 e Dec 31 18:50:14 lcuk: Ah, splendid, if we are lucky, there will be some rioting at Red Square tonight, if not, there are always fireworks. Dec 31 18:51:32 RST38h, how long until your midnight? Dec 31 18:51:42 lcuk: 2.12 Dec 31 18:51:44 * Mat_Matan maked some fireworks some ney years ago, now he have curator and entery in papers Dec 31 18:51:52 damn you nitrotoluen Dec 31 18:53:15 You cannot buy some? Or has the EU prohibited fireworks for being dangerous? Dec 31 18:53:43 fireworks made in factory sux Dec 31 18:53:53 no big explosions no fun Dec 31 18:54:14 and no police Dec 31 18:54:44 Well...mm...[looking at the window] Wherever they bought theirs, the sounds are heavy-duty enough Dec 31 18:56:35 yup. my dog barking at them is also heavu sound Dec 31 18:56:49 * Mat_Matan going drunk [have mint hooch] Dec 31 18:59:06 there is #meego-bar for that :P Dec 31 19:02:54 Session - Linkin Park Dec 31 19:03:31 Venemo, what rare you dirnking? Dec 31 19:03:37 drinking even Dec 31 19:03:41 and -r Dec 31 19:03:49 * lcuk must have started already :P Dec 31 19:04:06 nothing yet, I don't like drinking alone Dec 31 19:04:38 although I bought myself a bottle of champagne to celebrate the new year. Dec 31 19:04:42 Go somewhere! Dec 31 19:04:54 lcuk: this is OT here, let's continue in #meego-bar :P Dec 31 19:05:24 drinking is offtopic on new years? Dec 31 19:05:45 RST38h, are you heading out anywhere? Dec 31 19:05:47 how mouch time you have for midnight? Dec 31 19:06:14 * Mat_Matan hve now 3h 57min Dec 31 19:06:16 Mat_Matan: it's 20:03 here Dec 31 19:06:19 *have Dec 31 19:06:45 yeah same timezone Dec 31 19:07:04 i'm heading to Brandenburg Gate now Dec 31 19:08:14 lcuk: Nah, got everyone home, and the TV Dec 31 19:09:03 lcuk: Net too, in case the TV people chicken out and won't show rioting Dec 31 19:10:10 to continue the translation stuff timeless started Dec 31 19:10:12 http://www.freelang.net/expressions/newyear.php Dec 31 19:10:20 how to say Happy New Year in lots of languages Dec 31 20:18:26 welcom pinchartl Sqyber Dr_Who saigkill_ phl0x81 : Happy new year! http://www.freelang.net/expressions/newyear.php Dec 31 20:26:41 Onnellista uuta vuotta, or something like that. Dec 31 20:27:34 :D Alison_Chaiken Dec 31 20:27:47 Alison_Chaiken: close enough Dec 31 20:27:48 according to the translations, its double tt on uutta Dec 31 20:27:56 onnellista uutta vuotta Dec 31 20:28:07 tadaa! correct :) Dec 31 20:28:46 that page I linked has many languages Dec 31 20:29:12 still 1h30 to the uusivuosi here in finland Dec 31 20:29:17 some of them, I am sure anyone with false teeth would be a hazard Dec 31 20:29:17 Puhun suomea vain vähän mutta opiskelen paljon. And I'm starting to understand git, too. Dec 31 20:31:41 everyone's out there having fun and I'm here idling on IRC :P Dec 31 20:31:50 in a few hours, it's 'Rappy Rew Near'. At least if you go to near by bar Dec 31 20:32:38 *nearby Dec 31 21:35:39 I'm supposed to be in a bike race tomorrow, so I was going to turn in early, but since there's an "80% chance of rain," I'm not sure now. Dec 31 23:35:03 I've seen meego in N900 status, but to me it is not clear. Is it able to do phone calls successfull and without flaws or no? Dec 31 23:37:58 new year should be floating-point -- so we can do a wave of firecrackers east to west Dec 31 23:56:27 goodbye guys Dec 31 23:56:45 bye Jan 01 00:53:19 cyas and happy new year **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 01 02:59:58 2011