**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 01 02:59:58 2011 Jan 01 03:28:19 morning Jan 01 05:18:53 join ##windows Jan 01 12:41:26 hello Jan 01 12:47:40 morn Jan 01 12:57:35 hi Stskeeps Jan 01 13:00:21 lo lardman, happy new year Jan 01 13:03:18 same to you :) Jan 01 13:28:46 will N9 become the first shippable meego-based device, or we may expect something to appear sooner? Jan 01 13:29:20 i can ship a device to you with meego Jan 01 13:30:12 heh...device :-) Jan 01 13:30:22 * gour was not thinking about dev-board :-D Jan 01 13:30:53 but something which may be used as smart-phone ;) Jan 01 13:33:30 n900 Jan 01 13:33:57 but the first manufacturer that plans to ship meego is still nokia, as far as I know Jan 01 13:34:04 on a phone Jan 01 13:36:36 n900 (unlocked) is too expensive here...so nothing from intel (moorestown)? Jan 01 13:36:51 otoh, i've read that n900 is too slow for meego Jan 01 13:37:27 people write a lot without looking at the reasons :P Jan 01 13:38:48 it could be, but we cannot neither confirm nor deny :-) Jan 01 13:40:03 the problem is more that the reference handset UX is pretty half-baked and probably won't get used on any real devices (at least not nokia ones) Jan 01 13:40:28 the danger of course is that everyone judges meego on the reference UX before any real devices even get released Jan 01 13:40:52 it does lack a bit of productization yeah, but you can build some products on it with little effort Jan 01 13:41:13 nobody actually wants to build products; they want a new phone NAO Jan 01 13:42:08 heh Jan 01 13:42:18 * Stskeeps gets back to scanning old pictures Jan 01 13:42:26 good monotonic work to dull a hangover Jan 01 13:44:45 the question is just how long we should wait for some decent meego device or to jump on android before... Jan 01 13:44:47 I hope N900 harmattan project actually materializes since I wanna make some themes for it :P Jan 01 13:44:51 ali1234: do you have a refined sense of what people want? seems to me that android and maemo5 are basically similar - swipe stuff to move around and tap stuff to select or 'move-in' Jan 01 13:45:19 probably not going to buy a N9 unless I get a developer discount or something (as if :D) Jan 01 13:46:01 pupnik: yeah, basically that's what they want - but they want it to have *good* graphics Jan 01 13:46:10 they want the contacts integration Jan 01 13:46:21 they want the app store Jan 01 13:47:14 * gour would like decent email client (using claws on desktop), org-mode...no need for stupid multimedia stuff X megapixels camera etc...and decent phone capabilities Jan 01 13:47:55 ...and qwerty(z) keyboard :-) Jan 01 13:56:17 binary calendar by me :P only for GEEKs :P http://wklej.org/id/448311/ Jan 01 15:27:25 Hello. Jan 01 15:29:30 hi Jan 01 15:29:41 Will there be a nVidia ION compatible Version? :) Jan 01 15:29:55 not for a while Jan 01 15:30:06 Just tested meego at afreinds netbook but can't use it with mine. :/ Jan 01 15:30:21 Hmm, why not? Jan 01 15:30:34 lack of developers and nvidia hardware Jan 01 15:30:56 I guess many people would be very pleased. :D Jan 01 15:31:51 if you've got the skills and the hardware fill free to ...dammit what's the word Jan 01 15:31:55 contribute Jan 01 15:32:15 Unfortunaly i don't have the skill. :/ Jan 01 15:32:30 Well, i found a unofficial Version with nvidia drivers, it's booting and i could do some clicks, but no wlan. Jan 01 15:33:11 do you have a broadcom wifi card? Jan 01 15:33:29 Uhm...let me check. Jan 01 15:34:04 I'm pretty sure your wifi issue is unrelated to your graphics card Jan 01 15:34:58 Ah well, i wasn't precise enough, that schouldn't be a relation, just guessed, that there will be no support for unofficial builds. :D Jan 01 15:36:18 And i don't know if the powersaving features are working correctly etc. because there was no further information as "it boots on ion netbooks". ;) Jan 01 15:36:49 I can't get power saving to work on my laptop under redhat Jan 01 15:37:09 it wakes up and either goes nuts cos it can't read the hard drive or the screen won't turn on (nvidia graphics) Jan 01 15:37:55 Yeah, i tried ArchLinux on my Netbook. Jan 01 15:39:10 Worked good so far, but without support for hardware-accelerated flash it's kind of pointless for me because i mainly watch flash videos on it. Jan 01 15:39:40 But i read somewhere that there is a first flash beta version for linux wich supports acceleration. Jan 01 15:39:41 * gour gave up on buying netbook...waiting for (meego) smart-phone, but continuing wit harch on desktop Jan 01 15:40:47 i would use Linux on my Workstation, too, if i weren't gaming that much. :D Jan 01 15:42:04 I mean, to be fair: Windows 7 finally wirks great, but i was always a friend of oss. :) Windows itself and the games are the only not-freewares i use. Jan 01 15:42:55 And yes: It's Braodcom. Jan 01 15:43:59 oa :) Jan 01 15:46:32 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 -- sigh, bug trackers and user outrage.. Jan 01 15:49:44 Guest32029: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html Jan 01 15:50:01 Is it already known, on wich Phones MeeGo will run? I'd like to have it on my Omnia2. :-) Jan 01 15:50:05 Ah thanks! Jan 01 15:50:38 Guest32029: no time for gaming here...write code andor contribute to FOSS, it's more fun & healthy than gaming ;) Jan 01 15:51:10 I agree, but i love gaming. :D And i don't know anything about coding. :/ Jan 01 15:51:11 side affects may include being single Jan 01 15:51:19 Check! Jan 01 15:51:27 Where do i start? :) Jan 01 15:51:36 singles bar? Jan 01 15:51:42 oh, C++ and Qt Jan 01 15:51:44 Nah, with coding. :D Jan 01 15:51:55 That was a very unnerdish thought from you! Jan 01 15:52:25 Stskeeps: nice report :-) Jan 01 15:52:53 Guest32029: maybe python Jan 01 15:53:08 gour: this clearly shows why you need votes in a bugtracker.. Jan 01 15:53:09 :P Jan 01 15:53:09 Guest32029: I'm only joking, I'm sure most of the coders here have someone important to them Jan 01 15:53:16 I was afraid that this would come up. I think i don't have the patience for that. I even gave up html! Jan 01 15:53:22 gour: and why even that doesnt work Jan 01 15:54:25 Yeah but only because they anthoropomorphize Machines, CosmoHill. ;) Jan 01 15:54:49 Guest32029: you mean like your car is a "she" and stuff like that? Jan 01 15:54:57 Yep. :) Jan 01 15:55:03 see I don't do that Jan 01 15:56:09 my car's a car and sometimes it floods Jan 01 15:56:11 Stskeeps: heh, voting, i opened rfe for meld many years ago, it was voted but accepted and fixed only recently (6yrs later) when it's mostly irrelevant to me Jan 01 15:57:37 How does that registration-thing work? Jan 01 15:57:50 ./msg nickserv ... ? Jan 01 15:57:52 the IRC thing? Jan 01 15:57:55 Ye Jan 01 15:57:57 p Jan 01 15:58:00 /msg nickserv help Jan 01 15:58:04 :D Jan 01 15:58:48 Damn, it's already registered. Jan 01 16:01:59 may I suggest a number on the end? Jan 01 16:03:16 I hate nicks with numbers. :D Jan 01 16:03:32 Or using 0 for an o. Jan 01 16:03:47 This one is working. Jan 01 16:05:58 Are you a developer? Jan 01 16:06:28 I program but I'm not a developer Jan 01 16:06:40 Linux only? Jan 01 16:07:01 I mostly swear at the computer until I realise I misplaced a pointer Jan 01 16:07:15 :D Jan 01 16:07:20 nope, gerneric C and C++ Jan 01 16:07:39 CosmoHill: you should try the Qt's rubber duck debugging method :) Jan 01 16:07:57 that sounds interesting, put it on my 2011 todo list Jan 01 16:08:30 http://developer.qt.nokia.com/duck Jan 01 16:10:18 * CosmoHill gets boo (http://cosmo1847.co.uk/blog/pics/boo.jpg) Jan 01 16:11:55 $10 USD, $8U SD postage >.< Jan 01 16:12:20 lol Jan 01 16:16:10 he squeeks too :) Jan 01 16:21:45 Aderlass: on a server i work on, nickserv is evil. It basicaly points a gun at you until you enter your password, if you don't do it within a minute it kicks you Jan 01 16:22:23 Fortunately this client does that automatically. :) Jan 01 16:22:54 biggest problem we have is nickserv vs autojoin Jan 01 16:23:05 OS: Windows 7 Enterprise Edition (Version 6.1 Build 7600) , CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GHz @ 3409 MHz 1024 kb Cache, MEM: 8190MB, 77% free, DISKS: total 2343 Gb, 154 Gb free, GFX: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series 512 MB, SCREEN: SyncMaster T220/T220G,SyncMaster Magic T220/T220G(Digital), 1680 x 1050 @ 32 bit, AUDIO: ATI High Definition Audio Device, ASUS Xonar D2X Audio Device, UPTIME: 2 d, 1 h, 5 m Jan 01 16:23:08 Oops Jan 01 16:23:10 Sorry Jan 01 16:23:13 ahhhhh Jan 01 16:23:19 Tought taht was only for my eyes :D Jan 01 16:23:34 oh the pain Jan 01 16:24:14 Aderlass: I'd mock your computer but my desktop is a P4 Jan 01 16:24:21 :D Jan 01 16:24:41 * CosmoHill thinks Jan 01 16:24:45 I had a P4 very long. Others had C2D at that time Jan 01 16:24:46 dammmn, my server is 10 years old :s Jan 01 16:25:01 i found your problem : 2342G disk space, only 153G free Jan 01 16:25:13 Nah, that's okay. ;) Jan 01 16:25:33 more than 90% full, gots to be slow Jan 01 16:26:17 Well, i have 3 HDs. 2x 1TB, the are full, maybe 2% free space Jan 01 16:26:46 yeah, buy more disks, support the economy Jan 01 16:26:46 The 150GB free are on my systemdisk Jan 01 16:27:07 You schould see my NAS. ;) Jan 01 16:27:44 well, we're leaving seeing there won't be any meego smart-phone released today...nor tomorrow :-) Jan 01 16:27:57 Not? :( Jan 01 16:28:10 Aderlass: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/?page=server Jan 01 16:28:11 apparently not Jan 01 16:28:27 bye folks... Jan 01 16:28:33 bye gour Jan 01 16:28:38 Uh Jan 01 16:29:41 But that's not you Workstation? :) Jan 01 16:29:50 it's my server being upgraded Jan 01 16:30:08 you meantioned your NAS, this is what I use Jan 01 16:30:25 Ah okay okay. :) Jan 01 16:30:42 My NAS has only an Intel Atom with 2GB RAM. :/ Jan 01 16:31:07 yeah...I've maxxed mine out at 758MB of RAM Jan 01 16:31:29 Sucks to copy large files, but my power-bill thanks me for that. ;) Jan 01 16:31:51 And it's quiet. Jan 01 16:32:05 I've not upgraded mine because it's 55w idle and 90w peak, mine is also very quiet, can just about hear it Jan 01 16:32:51 Ah okay then. i think i have 55-60w peak. :) Jan 01 16:33:21 my RAID 1 uses 5w, I can turn both drives off Jan 01 16:33:37 interesting is when you read from RAID1 only one drive spins up Jan 01 16:33:59 I'm not really sure about putting the drives to sleep. Heard that it isn't that good for hds to spin up so often. Jan 01 16:34:41 I want big ssds for little money. Now. Jan 01 16:37:58 Ah, i got another question: atm my Netbook has 2 partitions, both NTFS, can i install megoo on the first partition and leave the other one intact and maybe even access them after i installed meego? Jan 01 16:38:16 meego Jan 01 16:40:22 * CosmoHill shurgs Jan 01 16:44:53 Okay. :) Jan 01 16:44:55 I've never even gotten to the MeeGo UX Jan 01 16:45:06 I deleted the first partition. :) Jan 01 16:45:09 Happy New Year Meegoers Jan 01 16:45:25 How big should /boot be? Jan 01 16:45:31 you too lcuk Jan 01 16:45:36 lardman, heya, you wanted me last year, anything vital? Jan 01 16:45:48 Aderlass: mine are normally 100MB Jan 01 16:46:53 I need some more bear traps for my PMs Jan 01 16:47:24 What about /home, /tmp, /usr, /var? :) Jan 01 16:47:56 I just have / and sometimes /boot Jan 01 16:48:41 Ah okay...so the other ones are not neccessarry? Jan 01 16:49:21 most simple linux partioning is / and swap Jan 01 16:50:06 How do i calculate the size for /swap? Jan 01 16:50:16 1,5x RAM like in Win? :) Jan 01 16:50:23 common is double the RAM Jan 01 16:50:27 Ok Jan 01 16:50:34 or same size as RAM, depends on your computer Jan 01 16:50:41 my mate's server has a 64GB swap I think Jan 01 16:51:47 Nice. Installing now. Jan 01 16:52:06 Hope everything works and i don't have to install Win7 again later. :D Jan 01 16:55:42 win7 isn't bad unless you have the starter edition Jan 01 16:58:57 I know, i had home premium with the netbook Jan 01 17:00:04 Damn. Installation is over and now after the reboot it hangs on a screen with blue and white lines Jan 01 17:02:34 Stskeeps: sorry for getting to you out of the blue, but when i've been here lately I got a piece of advice from you regarding garbled fonts problem on beagleboard. I've used SGX pathces from N900 kernel, but unfortunatel with no luck. I am on mailing list for this bug ( http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 ), but there is still no confirmed solution. Do you somehow new something that I could try next? Jan 01 17:03:36 Aderlass: do you get to the boot loader? Jan 01 17:04:18 I'm in :D just another reboot.. Jan 01 17:04:24 Now the wifi problem Jan 01 17:07:52 one of the problems I have with my laptop is that the webcam works better under linux than it does windows Jan 01 17:08:48 nazgee: are you using the libs too? Jan 01 17:08:59 and fbdev-sgx? Jan 01 17:09:16 nazgee: also, don't count on any of my answers today, a bit hungover :) Jan 01 17:18:57 Stskeeps: No, did not know these are needed too... Pitty it is not described a bit more anywhere. Jan 01 17:18:58 I started the update.....not a good idea. :D Jan 01 17:20:01 nazgee: it was beagle device? Jan 01 17:20:22 it is a beagle clone, but consider it as beagle Jan 01 17:20:41 should TI's SDK be used as a lib? or some other libraries? Jan 01 17:21:34 i must admit I haven't found nokia's libraries Jan 01 17:22:19 What i did is applied a SGX patch to my kernel (which in fact was not really easy, but eventually worked out) Jan 01 17:23:18 nazgee: ti-omap3-sgx, -libEGL , libGLESv2 and xorg-x11-fbdev-sgx from non-oss section Jan 01 17:23:37 thx, will try it out today Jan 01 18:04:37 Hmmm Jan 01 18:04:41 About the wifi programm Jan 01 18:05:03 I'm currently at step 6 Jan 01 18:06:03 But when i try to use the wget command it says: Connecting to www.broadcom.com etc, HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 not found Jan 01 18:06:06 -.- Jan 01 18:07:23 Aderlass, which set of instructions specifially Jan 01 18:08:20 http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html Jan 01 18:11:24 Stskeeps: Jan 01 18:12:19 mm? Jan 01 18:12:21 ups ;] i was just wondering if xorg-x11-drv-omapfb should be replaced with -sgx Jan 01 18:12:29 yes Jan 01 18:12:42 what's your output btw? dvi, lcd? Jan 01 18:12:42 then if i should apply SGX patch from nokia to my kernel Jan 01 18:12:48 dvi Jan 01 18:12:51 ok Jan 01 18:13:02 and yes, apply sgx patch to your kernel Jan 01 18:13:49 so the "right" solution is to use kickstart for beagle, change omapfb with sgx, use libs from TI Jan 01 18:13:56 and that thoul do it Jan 01 18:14:05 thoul=should ;] Jan 01 18:14:10 nazgee: well, the new 'beagleboard from scratch' guide uses the new drivers, afaik Jan 01 18:14:25 well... it did not make it for me Jan 01 18:15:06 and there is no GFX from TI used in it Jan 01 18:15:51 CosmoHill: hey, starter ain't bad :) Jan 01 18:16:04 ? Jan 01 18:16:13 w7 Jan 01 18:16:18 ah okay Jan 01 18:17:21 nazgee: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch , ks in http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meego_beagle.tgz Jan 01 18:17:26 and use the nokia sgx patch Jan 01 18:18:33 this kickstart file does not use -sgx driver for x11 Jan 01 18:18:43 it does Jan 01 18:18:48 look at @Nokia line Jan 01 18:19:18 @Nokia N900 Proprietary Support? Jan 01 18:19:32 yes Jan 01 18:19:34 it's a package group Jan 01 18:20:06 that does the trick? and uses -sgx instead of omapfb? Eh, I should get more into these .ks files... Jan 01 18:20:13 pretty much Jan 01 18:21:03 lcuk, i downloaded the file (http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/hybrid-portsrc_x86_32-v5_100_82_38.tar.gz) manually now. Can you help me with it? :) Jan 01 18:21:17 Then there is a bad news... AFAIR, I had already tried this file, and it did not really fix garbled fonts problem Jan 01 18:21:34 but I'll give it another shot- maybe I messed something up Jan 01 18:22:00 Or someone else.. :) Jan 01 18:22:31 Stskeeps: thank you for your effort in keeping me sane regardless of your hangover ;] This fonts problem is driving me crazy... Jan 01 18:23:08 nazgee, are you using 1.1 or 1.1.80? Jan 01 18:23:36 1.1 Jan 01 18:23:45 did not now about 1.1.80 Jan 01 18:23:55 this may be the issue Jan 01 18:24:18 Aderlass, perhaps you will have to speak with slaine when he returns (or mail him) it looks like his source package may have bitrotted a bit and broadcom might have changed locations etc Jan 01 18:24:29 people trying 1.1 with SGX tarball on archos gen7 reported garbled fonts Jan 01 18:24:52 lcuk, okay, i'll wait then. :) Jan 01 18:24:55 but for me 1.1.80 + n900 drivers rpm does not show the issue Jan 01 18:25:14 Aderlass, better to email him Jan 01 18:25:21 ok, thx smoku. will give 1.1.8 a try too. Jan 01 18:25:23 on the broadcom site, the drivers were updated on 22december Jan 01 18:25:41 its possible they just removed the older one slaine was looking for Jan 01 18:25:53 Aderlass, since you have the source of his package Jan 01 18:26:08 you could try grepping for the missing thing and just trying using the new version Jan 01 18:26:14 and test whether it works Jan 01 18:26:21 nazgee, I ported drivers/gpu/pvr to out kernel and just used fbdev-sgx and ti-omap3-* RPMs from non-oss repo and it just worked Jan 01 18:27:04 nazgee, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ Jan 01 18:27:13 lcuk, Unfortunately i have no knowledge about linux... :) i'm a total newbie in this. :D Jan 01 18:27:47 smoku: well, I believe that beagle's kickstart from wiki page is already using these, but I'll have to check it Jan 01 18:28:02 ok Aderlass then mail him :) Jan 01 18:31:16 Hmm, can't find his adress on the page. :-/ Maybe i'm blind? Jan 01 18:39:46 Aderlass, PM Jan 01 18:40:13 his email address is quite easy to discern :) Jan 01 18:40:21 * CosmoHill sticks his finger up at Aderlass Jan 01 18:40:49 Thanks, but no thanks, CosmoHill. ;) Jan 01 18:40:51 i had to read that twice. Jan 01 18:40:59 lcuk: eww Jan 01 18:41:13 Aderlass: that concludes your eyesight Jan 01 18:41:34 Oh... Jan 01 18:41:40 Yeah....have to go. :> Jan 01 18:41:48 bye bye Jan 01 18:41:53 aargh. harbaum repo is not working... Jan 01 18:41:53 Not really. ;) Jan 01 19:03:20 hello CosmoHill have a nice year Jan 01 19:03:37 thank you, you too, did you party a little to hard last night? Jan 01 19:03:38 lol niala_headhache Jan 01 19:04:48 a little Jan 01 19:06:22 cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Food_Reward.JPG Jan 01 19:07:43 but that's trivial comparative of wr104 star http://www.universetoday.com/23342/wr-104-wont-kill-us-after-all/ Jan 01 19:12:14 I wonder if nokia n9/meego will be finish before the end of the earth ? Jan 01 19:12:41 niala_wr104: it will presented at the resturant at the end of the universe Jan 01 19:12:57 is the end of the earth before or after we host the Olympics? Jan 01 19:13:08 :) Jan 01 19:13:42 n9 in the paradise sky... wemm why not :) Jan 01 19:14:04 we? Jan 01 19:15:09 CosmoHill: how/where can english people can do sport in a little island? :p Jan 01 19:15:37 isle of man Jan 01 19:16:01 and karting or motorcycles :) Jan 01 19:16:47 marathon must be 3 go back betwenn north and south :p Jan 01 19:18:59 niala_wr104, ironman races were invented because the island was too small :P Jan 01 19:19:11 biut of running, swim to the mainland, cycle to the city :P Jan 01 19:19:15 bit Jan 01 19:19:31 ahhahaha Jan 01 21:13:58 hello Jan 01 21:24:39 eGetin, hello \o Jan 01 21:25:08 * CosmoHill revises different complexities Jan 01 21:26:05 heh, used to ubuntu Jan 01 21:26:30 was thinking "a bit" how to install an rpm package :D Jan 01 21:27:12 have anybody connected to internet through s60 nokia? Jan 01 21:27:31 I think my 6220 Classic is S60, I have connected to the internet Jan 01 21:27:37 hmmm Jan 01 21:27:39 how? Jan 01 21:27:51 I've got 5800XM and I'd like to use cable for that Jan 01 21:28:11 creating a wlan hotspot every time doesn't sound so good :P Jan 01 21:28:22 you get your settings from your network operator, in my case I had to say I have a different nokia Jan 01 21:28:38 ok Jan 01 21:28:46 where can I set up the connection? Jan 01 21:29:01 you mean phone to computer via usb? Jan 01 21:29:07 yes Jan 01 21:29:24 and get the internet connection from phone Jan 01 21:29:38 what host are you on? Jan 01 21:30:18 well I live in Finland, it's Tele Finland Jan 01 21:30:33 i mean windows, ubuntu etc Jan 01 21:30:38 ahh Jan 01 21:30:43 I've got MeeGo on my laptop atm Jan 01 21:30:56 Ubuntu got it set up automatically and Windows has Ovi Suite Jan 01 21:31:08 ah, I can't help you then Jan 01 21:31:11 ok :( Jan 01 21:31:23 I guess I'll have to google some more :P Jan 01 21:31:30 seems that way Jan 01 21:34:04 MeeGo was a positive surprise Jan 01 21:48:22 hey meegoists Jan 01 21:49:28 meegons Jan 01 21:49:29 :P Jan 01 21:49:30 ;) Jan 01 21:49:55 :D Jan 01 21:50:25 :D Jan 01 21:50:27 ameegos? Jan 01 21:50:57 didn't GAN900 use that word? Jan 01 21:51:29 Sounds more like a qgil coining. Jan 01 21:52:41 ameegos is also used, yeah Jan 01 21:53:01 meegoons then Jan 01 21:53:55 meegoons? people who belong to you who do your evil bidding? Jan 01 21:54:47 xD Jan 01 22:10:49 eGetin: on os x, you can get the settings out of settings Jan 01 22:10:52 same for windows Jan 01 22:10:55 (more or less) Jan 01 22:11:07 so just configure your connection on one of those first Jan 01 22:11:11 then copy over to meego Jan 01 22:27:33 timeless_mbp: the problem is, I don't know where to put those settings Jan 02 00:35:26 hello world Jan 02 00:35:53 hello MrPingouin Jan 02 00:36:14 happy new year Jan 02 00:38:27 that was nice Jan 02 00:38:42 xD Jan 02 00:59:40 is this the place to ask for assistance installing meego? Jan 02 01:00:39 Where is meego buildservice located at? I can't find any project which has packages on build.pub.meego.com Jan 02 01:02:49 xnox: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public Jan 02 01:03:47 should yum be installed by default? Jan 02 01:04:01 Guest34455: zypper Jan 02 01:04:17 berndhs: does the same things Jan 02 01:04:49 ok so I'm trying to install the broadcom wireless driver following instructions from here: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html Jan 02 01:04:51 berndhs, yeap but I can't seem to actually see all the packages which are part of e.g. meego_1.1_core and etc. as in analogy to openSUSE:Factory on "the obs" Jan 02 01:05:16 xnox: you want all ? you said "any" :) Jan 02 01:06:15 berndhs, I'm just starting out =) so I can't "login" to meego-obs yet =) Jan 02 01:06:36 berndhs, but yeah I want to see what's in it *all* =) Jan 02 01:06:54 you need to ask here during times when people in england are awake Jan 02 01:07:30 would they let me in just like that? I promise to do no evil! Jan 02 01:08:13 you have to tell them what you're up to, basically you can't do closed source dev on the pub service Jan 02 01:08:51 berndhs, =) obviously =) I want to contribute to MeeGo ;-) Jan 02 01:09:00 core & netbook Jan 02 01:09:03 that sounds good Jan 02 01:09:41 but those slackers sleep on weekend nights Jan 02 01:10:11 well =) everyone deserves holidays from time to time ;-) Jan 02 01:14:51 does anyone has an idea what is happening with http://download.obs.maemo.org ? I am trying to access Harbaum's personal repos from there, but it seems that the whole service is dead Jan 02 01:17:02 berndhs, are you community dev? or do you have association with nokia/intel/redhat/novell/etc? Jan 02 01:17:27 i'm just me, they don't pay me anything Jan 02 01:18:27 berndhs, kk =) Jan 02 01:18:36 * xnox too Jan 02 01:31:50 i hate CSS and style sheets, just fail quietly if anything is wrong Jan 02 01:33:35 Strange... Despite using xorg-x11-fbdev-sgx is used instead of -fbdev, I am still getting /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so- I thoutght I'd get something like fbdev-sgx.ko or sth like that. Jan 02 01:34:18 Sad thing is, that xorg is not starting, because [ 100.148] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO succeeded but modified mode Jan 02 01:34:53 that old chestnut Jan 02 01:35:05 "succeeded but modified mode" can mean just about anything Jan 02 01:35:29 that is the problem ;] Jan 02 01:37:06 what it probably means is that the framebuffer can't do the mode you're asking for, so it gave you a different one... but then X rejected it Jan 02 01:37:14 so try asking for a different mode Jan 02 01:37:38 perhaps a different colour depth Jan 02 01:38:27 I've just noticed that I've said something even more stupid than usual, on 02:30:25. What I meant is: "I expected fbdev-sgx_drv.so, instead of fbdev_drv.so" Jan 02 01:38:45 yeah, i realised that Jan 02 01:39:09 but i think it's just a modified version of fbdev, not a whole different driver Jan 02 01:40:19 in fact it may not even be using a different version of that .so - the sgx parts might be somewhere else... like in the the actual Xfbdev Jan 02 01:40:38 ali1234: have already tried a couple of resolutions, will try color depth now, but I am affraid it is something else, as I've been trying to run beagleboard without garbled fonts on a custom kernel, and probably messed something up when applying patches... Jan 02 01:41:10 well the error happens like this: Jan 02 01:41:43 you tell Xorg a screenmode, it builds a VSCREENINFO of that screenmode, then it passes it to /dev/fbX Jan 02 01:42:06 the /dev/fbX driver checks it and if it's not valid it tries to fix it by changing it, then it passes it back to X Jan 02 01:42:17 it can also reject it entirely, but it didn't do that Jan 02 01:42:36 but the "modified" part is done by the kernel driver, not X Jan 02 01:43:02 rather, it's done as a result of calling that IOCTL on the /dev/fbX Jan 02 01:43:40 the problem is to verify what went wrong ;] I could try to do some foolig around with this ioctl to see what happens there, but it's not what i am really into... Jan 02 01:44:10 calling an ioctl is quite easy, as is building the vscreeninfo - you could do it in a few lines of C Jan 02 01:44:28 but i suspect it is a color depth issue Jan 02 01:44:37 i know, I but I was thinking about kernel-side Jan 02 01:44:40 ok Jan 02 01:44:43 i just have a feeling, dunno why Jan 02 01:44:48 let's give color depth a shot Jan 02 01:45:23 you could add debugging code to the kernel driver if you have source for it... i'm not familiar with sgx modules really, just other random generic framebuffer drivers Jan 02 01:45:36 so i can't really give any help directly related to sgx Jan 02 01:46:30 course, if it was working before with a different kernel... then probably your custom kernel is broken... Jan 02 01:47:14 has anybody been able to successfully get the broadcom wireless working with meego? Jan 02 01:47:42 ali1234: thanks anyway. I'll give it a closer look, though it is strange- as beagleboard should work flawlessly out of the box (and people say it does) Jan 02 01:48:00 hence I believe it can be "my fault" Jan 02 01:48:14 Guest34455: Yes. Just ask your question/state your problem. Jan 02 01:49:18 first part.. wifi not show after install. Jan 02 01:49:29 if i use ubuntu wifi works fine Jan 02 01:50:33 i've installed rpmdevtools, pattern:development-tools, and kernel-netbook-devel Jan 02 01:51:06 Guest34455: this is most likely expected, as stock Meego does not ship propritary drivers. Jan 02 01:51:11 tried running script to pull down broadcom driver and build an rpm Jan 02 01:51:25