**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 05 02:59:58 2011
Jan 05 03:16:34 <medo> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Jan 05 03:16:42 <beford> hi
Jan 05 03:17:01 <medo> how are you ?
Jan 05 03:17:14 <beford> good
Jan 05 03:17:38 <medo> where you from ?
Jan 05 03:17:46 <beford> internets
Jan 05 03:18:04 <medo> hahahahahahaha
Jan 05 03:18:48 <medo>  :)
Jan 05 03:25:45 <medo> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Jan 05 03:32:17 <Mek> hmm, I guess meego_current has a different gcc version etc than meego_1.1... my code builds fine for 1.1 but gets an internal compiler error for meego_current...
Jan 05 03:33:02 <lcuk> nice Mek.
Jan 05 03:33:26 * lcuk is wondering why applications are needing their own physics panning handling
Jan 05 03:35:58 <michaelg|nok> lcuk: scientific method? :D
Jan 05 03:36:12 <lcuk> michaelg|nok, lol
Jan 05 03:38:01 <lcuk> for reference:
Jan 05 03:38:02 <lcuk> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo/commit/697858ad179bd0826a42f6df3998861c144a8c3b
Jan 05 03:38:33 * lcuk vanishes again
Jan 05 05:55:25 <hlzxy> when I set up my obs, something wrong with  mysql,  it show ' Mysql::Error: Table 'api_production.users' doesn't exist". anyone could tell me how I should do?
Jan 05 07:00:17 <Siton_> hi all
Jan 05 07:53:56 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: nokia n900 hardware adaptation team meeting in ~10 minutes in #meego-meeting
Jan 05 08:17:40 <hlzxy> <hlzxy> when I set up my obs, something wrong with  mysql,  it show ' Mysql::Error: Table 'api_production.users' doesn't exist". anyone could tell me what I should do?
Jan 05 08:19:22 <lcuk> alterego, yes, I noticed comments to bug 11796
Jan 05 08:19:25 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11796 nor, Undecided, ---, paul.a.parenteau, NEW, GeoClue & Qt Mobility Location API non-functional on Nokia N900
Jan 05 08:27:28 <lcuk> alterego, lol
Jan 05 08:27:30 <lcuk> i dont know
Jan 05 08:27:53 <lcuk> theodor, thats an awesome pic though :)
Jan 05 08:27:57 <lcuk> congratulations on first light
Jan 05 08:27:58 <alterego> Heh
Jan 05 08:31:54 <theodor> lcuk: thanks, our guys are reporting that they get better ones with qt also.. so, lets consider the quality unstable :)
Jan 05 08:32:38 <lcuk> theodor, am I right in thinking that you got flash working at same time as the sensor?
Jan 05 08:32:50 <lcuk> or is the snapshot just looking like that
Jan 05 08:33:09 <theodor> yes, no flash
Jan 05 08:36:28 <lcuk> theodor, hmm
Jan 05 08:36:37 <lcuk> that makes the snapshot even more mysterious :P
Jan 05 08:36:46 <hlzxy> anybody know?
Jan 05 08:37:12 <lcuk> hlzxy, hrm
Jan 05 08:37:23 <lcuk> it would take an obs guru I guess?
Jan 05 08:37:41 <hlzxy> lcuk:what's mean?
Jan 05 08:38:57 <lcuk> hlzxy, well you have a problem relating to how obs itself works I guess? have you tried googling on the error
Jan 05 08:39:25 <theodor> lcuk: its raw sensor data, but we get quite decent pictures in proper light (for mms sized frames at least or so). The image manipulation part is expected to work soon after meego gets a binball for that stuff from Nokia. Meanwhile we continue integrating oss features as well.
Jan 05 08:39:45 <lcuk> theodor, :) nice
Jan 05 09:37:53 <Myrtti> mailing list bancruptcy after vacation yay
Jan 05 09:40:05 <kyb3R> Myrtti: life is...
Jan 05 09:40:24 <lcuk> Myrtti, jees
Jan 05 09:40:27 <kyb3R> oh! and wb Myrtti
Jan 05 09:40:33 <lcuk> i bet your computer weighed more after you downloaded them all
Jan 05 09:41:07 * lcuk got to the point of using a smaller font for all email
Jan 05 09:41:10 <lcuk> to make it seem like less
Jan 05 09:47:02 <Tm_T> hmm, inbox has only some 3300 unread mails, excluding mailinglists etc
Jan 05 09:49:40 <lcuk> Tm_T, you should read your mails a bit more frequently than once a week :P
Jan 05 09:50:16 <Tm_T> lcuk: yes I should, or better yet, get someone to do the work for me
Jan 05 09:50:55 <lcuk> thats normal, just how do you amass 3300 unread mails anyway?
Jan 05 09:51:09 <lcuk> i have it for other reasons
Jan 05 09:51:16 <alterego> I get that kind of throughput in some of my inboxes.
Jan 05 09:51:25 <alterego> I should really remove some of my older mailing list subscriptions.
Jan 05 09:51:38 <hena> same
Jan 05 09:51:57 <lcuk> but thats ML stuff
Jan 05 09:52:02 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 05 09:52:05 <lcuk> and churn is expected and handlable
Jan 05 09:52:12 <hena> couple ays away from lkms and it's terrible. not to mention ll the others
Jan 05 09:52:17 <lcuk> Tm_T specifically said it wasnt ML
Jan 05 09:54:29 <lcuk> on an unrelated topic
Jan 05 09:54:46 <lcuk> can anyone give me a hint about missing fonts on this picture:
Jan 05 09:55:03 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/20110105_002.jpg
Jan 05 09:58:48 <alterego> Heh
Jan 05 09:59:08 <alterego> There was something about handset builds and fonts a while ago.
Jan 05 09:59:36 <lcuk> alterego, yeah garbled fonts, it was assumed to be arm specific problem
Jan 05 09:59:38 <lcuk> bug 5616
Jan 05 09:59:42 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled
Jan 05 09:59:53 <Stskeeps> lcuk: are they gone in apps too?
Jan 05 09:59:55 * lcuk is already peeking to see
Jan 05 09:59:57 <lcuk> Stskeeps, yes
Jan 05 09:59:59 <lcuk> mostly
Jan 05 10:00:06 <Stskeeps> check .xsession-errors
Jan 05 10:00:08 <lcuk> theres 1 visible item on a menu for instance
Jan 05 10:00:09 <Stskeeps> in /home/meego
Jan 05 10:00:15 <alterego> Hrm, I wonder if it's a dpi thing
Jan 05 10:00:21 <alterego> (complete random guess btw ;)
Jan 05 10:00:34 <lcuk> well there *is* something up with the task switcher also
Jan 05 10:00:42 <lcuk> it is aligned on 800pixel boundaries
Jan 05 10:00:46 <alterego> What resolutions has Handset UX been tested with? :)
Jan 05 10:00:53 <lcuk> this is 1024*600
Jan 05 10:00:56 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 05 10:01:00 <lcuk> and shows fullscreen
Jan 05 10:01:09 <lcuk> stretched tho
Jan 05 10:01:11 <alterego> I can see the clock ;)
Jan 05 10:01:23 <lcuk> the icons have scaling artifacts
Jan 05 10:01:26 <alterego> I bet those icons look even worth ..
Jan 05 10:01:29 <Stskeeps> alterego: that's a good question..
Jan 05 10:01:33 <alterego> s/worth/worse/
Jan 05 10:01:34 <infobot> alterego meant: I bet those icons look even worse ..
Jan 05 10:01:50 <alterego> lcuk: they look the same on N900s 800x480
Jan 05 10:01:53 <lcuk> Stskeeps, hmm yeah potentially also for the other devices
Jan 05 10:02:01 <lcuk> we should check what res the beagle is running at
Jan 05 10:02:02 <alterego> ugly, and seem kind of pixelated.
Jan 05 10:02:10 <lcuk> screenshot?
Jan 05 10:02:14 <alterego> Beagle is max 1024x768 I thought
Jan 05 10:02:18 <Stskeeps> there's a fonts are ugly bug
Jan 05 10:02:19 <Stskeeps> err
Jan 05 10:02:21 <Stskeeps> not fonts
Jan 05 10:02:22 <Stskeeps> icons
Jan 05 10:03:01 <lcuk> do you know the number?
Jan 05 10:03:13 <Stskeeps> not at hand
Jan 05 10:08:32 <lcuk> hang on
Jan 05 10:08:39 <lcuk> is this a translation thing perhaps?
Jan 05 10:08:49 <alterego> Hrm, possibly.
Jan 05 10:08:55 <alterego> Actually, no probably not.
Jan 05 10:09:06 <alterego> You should get default strings, unless your translation is ""
Jan 05 10:09:21 <alterego> (I'm not completely sure about this though)
Jan 05 10:10:19 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/20110105_003.jpg    http://liqbase.net/20110105_004.jpg
Jan 05 10:10:22 <lcuk> couple of other shots
Jan 05 10:10:26 <lcuk> it might be translationy
Jan 05 10:10:28 * lcuk digs
Jan 05 10:26:24 <Macer> lcuk: still doing the liqbase stuff huh?
Jan 05 10:26:40 <lcuk> Macer, I dabble
Jan 05 10:29:52 <Macer> heh
Jan 05 10:30:08 <Macer> i'm kind of hoping meego works soon ;)
Jan 05 10:30:13 <Macer> i want something new for my n900
Jan 05 10:30:59 <Macer> if it uses telepathy and still does video chatting then i'm a happy camper heh
Jan 05 10:31:07 <lcuk> Macer, what apps do you write?
Jan 05 10:37:34 <Macer> lcuk: none :(
Jan 05 10:37:39 <Macer> i'm lame
Jan 05 10:37:57 <lcuk> not at all
Jan 05 10:38:02 <Macer> heh
Jan 05 10:38:29 <lcuk> whats been keeping you occupied then
Jan 05 10:38:41 <Macer> a girlfriend ;)
Jan 05 10:38:47 <Macer> haha
Jan 05 10:39:15 <lcuk> cool, did you download it from devel, or is it in extras?
Jan 05 10:39:26 <lcuk> and is she open source :P
Jan 05 10:39:29 <Macer> devel... it's waiting to be stable
Jan 05 10:39:39 <Macer> haha
Jan 05 10:40:05 <lcuk> htheres stability problems, once you move her to stable repo resource requirements shoot through the roof
Jan 05 10:40:06 <Macer> no. closed blob
Jan 05 10:40:18 <Macer> yeah but it requires less ram
Jan 05 10:40:28 <Macer> but more storage space
Jan 05 10:40:40 <lcuk> just be careful with multitasking
Jan 05 10:42:43 <Macer> well. i would say dual booting ;)
Jan 05 10:50:44 <slaine> Hmm, my slaine account on the old community obs wasn't ported over to the new public obs
Jan 05 10:50:56 <slaine> X-Fade: any chance you could recreate my account ?
Jan 05 10:51:21 <X-Fade> slaine: Sure, username at meego.com is slaine too?
Jan 05 10:51:29 <slaine> yup
Jan 05 10:51:34 <slaine> Thanks
Jan 05 10:51:48 <X-Fade> slaine: Done.
Jan 05 10:52:05 <slaine> Is it using SSO with meego.com ?
Jan 05 10:52:19 <X-Fade> No, but it syncs accounts.
Jan 05 10:52:28 <slaine> good enough
Jan 05 10:52:36 <X-Fade> So same username/pw.
Jan 05 10:52:40 <slaine> nod
Jan 05 11:04:34 <slaine> X-Fade: logged in, thanks
Jan 05 11:13:01 <aparna_> isolinux.cfg is created when creating a livecd image. Does anyone know how we can get our own content into it
Jan 05 11:13:25 <aparna_> example, I want my own message instead of "Welcome to MeeGo"
Jan 05 11:13:52 <lcuk> "This is sparta!" ??
Jan 05 11:14:12 * lcuk likes the welcome message
Jan 05 11:16:41 <sam_> hi
Jan 05 11:17:12 <aparna_> lcuk any idea?
Jan 05 11:17:13 <balor> Is there a fix yet for meego 1.1 not enabling wireless interfaces on  the rt2860 i.e. EeePC 1000H
Jan 05 11:19:32 <lcuk> aparna_, don't know, not been asked before
Jan 05 11:19:40 <lcuk> balor, specifically which bug number is related?
Jan 05 11:20:03 <lcuk> and since you mention fix I *do* assume you filed a bug to let the right people know there was a problem in the first place
Jan 05 11:20:10 <balor> lcuk: #8720
Jan 05 11:20:17 <lcuk> bug 8720
Jan 05 11:20:20 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8720 enh, Undecided, 1.1.90.0, margie.foster, ACCE, [FEA] Internationalization - User Interface accented chars in file names
Jan 05 11:21:05 <balor> no #8702
Jan 05 11:21:58 <lcuk> bug 8702
Jan 05 11:22:01 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 cri, High, 1.1.1, martin.xu, VERI FIXED, WiFi does not work (ralink / rt2860)
Jan 05 11:22:03 <timeless_mbp> halor would it hurt you to write out <bug ...> ?
Jan 05 11:22:28 <lcuk> and would it also hurt to check the bug yourself since it says "VERIFIED FIXED"
Jan 05 11:22:50 <timeless_mbp> and the target milestone..
Jan 05 11:22:59 <balor> timeless_mbp: sorry
Jan 05 11:23:29 <balor> lcuk: It says verified fixed, but the drivers aren't even being loaded on my system at boot
Jan 05 11:23:31 <timeless_mbp> this is a learning process, please learn, no need to apologize
Jan 05 11:23:42 <timeless_mbp> are you running 1.1.1<- note the 3rd 1
Jan 05 11:24:09 <balor> timeless_mbp: /etc/issue says 1.1 only
Jan 05 11:24:23 <timeless_mbp> then do you see the problem?
Jan 05 11:24:27 <balor> Maybe it's wired time and zypper upgrade
Jan 05 11:24:30 <timeless_mbp> it's fixed in something you aren't running
Jan 05 11:24:53 * balor thought he had upgraded 3 days ago
Jan 05 11:25:17 <timeless_mbp> just because a target exists doesn't mean it's released as a product
Jan 05 11:25:23 <timeless_mbp> a bug can be fixed in IE9
Jan 05 11:25:33 <timeless_mbp> but since IE9 hasn't shipped, you can easily not have it
Jan 05 11:26:04 <balor> ah, so 1.1.1 isn't released yet?
Jan 05 11:27:59 <slaine> balor, 1.1.1 was not released as an image, but, I think the updates that where released prior to xmas make the current 1.1 + updates == 1.1.1
Jan 05 11:28:34 <balor> slaine: Should it change /etc/issue to reflect this?  i.e. have I screwed up my update?
Jan 05 11:28:52 <slaine> balor, I don't think so
Jan 05 11:29:19 <balor> slaine: Ah.  So how can I verify that I'm at 1.1.1 or 1.1 + all updates?
Jan 05 11:29:20 <slaine> 1.1.2 is pending I think, based on some irc comments I saw yesterday on the -sdk channel
Jan 05 11:29:31 <slaine> If there's no pending updates ;)
Jan 05 11:29:58 <slaine> Not sure why it wasn't pushed out properly as a point release formally.
Jan 05 11:30:14 <slaine> Perhaps there was a valid reason
Jan 05 11:30:27 <balor> slaine: So then, if I've no pending updates, and I'm still seeing bug 8702 I'll re-report it
Jan 05 11:30:28 <slaine> and we're waiting a some blocker bug to be squshed ???
Jan 05 11:30:30 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 cri, High, 1.1.1, martin.xu, VERI FIXED, WiFi does not work (ralink / rt2860)
Jan 05 11:34:18 <lcuk> gabor, \o/ @ datetime tweakage
Jan 05 11:34:39 <lcuk> but bug 10110 is still an effective issue for other sudo requiring things
Jan 05 11:34:42 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10110 nor, Medium, ---, passion.zhao, NEW, Files in /etc/sudoers.d/ are ignored
Jan 05 11:35:31 <slaine> balor, the bug report claims it was fixed for a pre 1.2 release, not the 1.1.1 update
Jan 05 11:35:43 <slaine> So I'd shout up on the bug
Jan 05 11:35:58 <balor> slaine: I'll wait for 1.2 before creating noise.
Jan 05 11:36:15 <slaine> You can download pre-releases of 1.2 now
Jan 05 11:40:10 <balor> slaine: I can find the wiki page explaining release version numbering, but I'm being dumb and can't find the pre-release downloads...care to share a link?
Jan 05 11:41:41 <slaine> balor, latest one is here
Jan 05 11:41:42 <slaine> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.11.20101221.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/
Jan 05 11:42:00 <slaine> Looks like they made one yesterday that wasn't finalized (missing image in the dir)
Jan 05 11:44:08 * timeless_xchat frowns
Jan 05 11:44:27 <balor> presumably I can just upgrade by adding http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110104.1/netbook/ as a repo?
Jan 05 11:44:49 <slaine> Seems to be a problem with the latest kernels balor, so I'd hold off on an upgrade
Jan 05 11:44:57 <balor> slaine: thanks.
Jan 05 11:45:45 <slaine> http://pastebin.com/uYDhLQcQ
Jan 05 11:45:52 <timeless_xchat> slaine: so err
Jan 05 11:46:06 <hena> sigh, just as i got used to yum...
Jan 05 11:46:11 <timeless_xchat> how does target relate to release in bugs.meego.com?
Jan 05 11:46:38 <slaine> balor, that image I posted should have a kernel that's functioning correctly for your hardware, judging by the dates
Jan 05 11:46:41 <hena> what's up with this zypper?
Jan 05 11:47:00 <slaine> zypper is the Opensuse package manager for rpm package
Jan 05 11:47:21 <slaine> as someone used to apt and yum it's yet another package manager to learn
Jan 05 11:47:29 <slaine> I second your sigh
Jan 05 11:48:27 <balor> slaine: I'll wait for the update as I just gave my image sized USB key to my mother in law this morning :O
Jan 05 11:48:45 <slaine> shame on you
Jan 05 11:49:11 <balor> slaine: I thought I was being all nice.  And work only give us 1/2 Gb keys....the state of UK higher education
Jan 05 11:49:38 <slaine> They've had those in a store room box for the last 5 years and are trying to get rid of them
Jan 05 11:58:15 <Zuhaitz> Hi slaine, this days i tried to "find" you here. :-)
Jan 05 11:58:39 <slaine> Huzzah
Jan 05 11:59:11 <slaine> Was not using computers over the xmas break
Jan 05 12:01:38 <slaine> End of an Era, I just logged out of the #moblin channel and removed it from my autojoin list
Jan 05 12:01:50 <magius_pendragon> slaine: hey, I was asking you about login yesterday? I tested it out and you were right, it isn't working on cmdline at firstboot. Somehow it doesn't work until X starts.
Jan 05 12:01:56 <magius_pendragon> slaine: condolences or congradulations?
Jan 05 12:02:55 <slaine> magius_pendragon: Yeah, figured as much. Where did you setup your fingerprint auth daemon to launch ?
Jan 05 12:03:17 <magius_pendragon> slaine: afaik, it's only hooked up to pam
Jan 05 12:04:26 <magius_pendragon> slaine: I had the strange experience yesterday that while uxlaunch was failing (it kept crashing and restarting), it would sporadically work, but now that X is launching correctly, it doesn't work until after
Jan 05 12:06:49 <slaine> Check out what the meego session xinit file is doing
Jan 05 12:06:57 <magius_pendragon> where's that live?
Jan 05 12:10:25 <hena> slaine, seems like your 1.1 wifi instructions and wl-foo.rpm are a bit outdated
Jan 05 12:10:45 <slaine> Nod, I've an update going up today
Jan 05 12:10:57 <slaine> they bumped the version over xmas
Jan 05 12:12:16 <slaine> I'd hoped to do it last night but didn't get time
Jan 05 12:12:49 <Zuhaitz> When meego will have repositories?
Jan 05 12:14:02 <lcuk> slaine, you are Glen aren't you?  for the sanity of others could you perhaps set the "Real name" field in your irc client?
Jan 05 12:14:14 <slaine> lcuk, sure
Jan 05 12:14:31 <slaine> am I being confused with some other slaine, some kind of Atomic Slaine ?
Jan 05 12:15:10 <hbragge> slaine: btw, with the newest driver i finally got my wifi working on hp mini 5101 + meego1.1
Jan 05 12:15:16 <lcuk> no, I just couldn't quite recall, it happens a lot between real/irc nicks and I tend to look at the real name field to try and work out for myself ;)
Jan 05 12:15:30 <slaine> lcuk, my real name is set actually
Jan 05 12:15:41 <hbragge> slaine: so at least any 5101 users will appreciate the update i think :)
Jan 05 12:15:50 <gabor> lcuk: please check the last comment of this bug : 11281
Jan 05 12:15:52 <slaine> hbragge: that's great
Jan 05 12:16:14 <lcuk> gabor, bug 11281 you mean (if you say "bug xxxxx" it will bring up info and a link!
Jan 05 12:16:17 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11281 nor, Medium, ---, michael.leibowitz, ASSI, datetime applet can't set date or time
Jan 05 12:17:00 <gabor> lcuk: ok
Jan 05 12:17:01 <lcuk> and yes gabor, that was why I mentioned, however the underlying problem with the other bug still exists and will catch other apps/packages
Jan 05 12:18:57 <gabor> ok, ty, I don't have other component to use sudoers and it was only a temporary solution to set date&time
Jan 05 12:19:25 * lcuk nods
Jan 05 12:23:07 <magius_pendragon> slaine: where would I find the xinit?
Jan 05 12:23:28 <slaine> rpm -ql meego-session or whatever the package is called
Jan 05 12:24:13 <Zuhaitz> When meego will have repositories?
Jan 05 12:24:46 <slaine> Zuhaitz: It already has repositories, thats how you install software and apply updates
Jan 05 12:24:54 <slaine> What exactly are you wanting
Jan 05 12:28:12 <magius_pendragon> slaine: doesn't exist. only -session packages are xfce and gnome, neither of which are installed
Jan 05 12:28:31 <slaine> could possibly still be called moblin
Jan 05 12:28:52 <magius_pendragon> there's a user-skel
Jan 05 12:28:59 <slaine> have my mini9 here, I'll check
Jan 05 12:31:53 <slaine> magius_pendragon: looks like that's changed since the moblin days
Jan 05 12:32:05 <magius_pendragon> okay
Jan 05 12:33:03 <slaine> Have you tried adding something to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and seeing if it runs ?
Jan 05 12:33:13 <magius_pendragon> what would I run? :p
Jan 05 12:34:05 <slaine> could get it to touch a file in /tmp
Jan 05 12:34:44 <magius_pendragon> to what end?
Jan 05 12:34:44 <Zuhaitz> slaine, Is posible to instsall codecs with repositories?
Jan 05 12:35:10 <slaine> If the codecs you want are in the repositories then yes
Jan 05 12:35:39 <slaine> At the moment, the repositories only include free to use codecs as it's not legal to redistribute certain ones
Jan 05 12:39:36 <Zuhaitz> slaine, The are not "contrib" and "non-free" codecs as in ubuntu and debian?
Jan 05 12:39:43 <Zuhaitz> Repositories, I mean, sorry
Jan 05 12:40:49 <slaine> There's a non-free one, but it doesn't have any codecs in there and there's no equivilant just yet
Jan 05 12:41:11 <slaine> There's a community project to add this missing area but it's not ready yet
Jan 05 12:41:34 <lcuk> >> afk
Jan 05 12:42:07 <Zuhaitz> slaine, Ok, thanks
Jan 05 12:42:13 <Zuhaitz> Very kind :)
Jan 05 12:46:47 <magius_pendragon> slaine: I can touch a file
Jan 05 12:47:32 <slaine> magius_pendragon: you might be able to manually start the appropriate pam server then in rc.local
Jan 05 12:50:24 <Zuhaitz> slaine, Is there a way to install codecs without a package?
Jan 05 12:50:39 <Zuhaitz> Something like putting them in a /usr/share/mplayer/codecs like in other linux distros
Jan 05 12:51:02 <Zuhaitz> Why I should want to use Meego, if I cant view videos and reproducing mp3...
Jan 05 12:51:04 <slaine> There is a set of codecs that you can legally buy from fluendo
Jan 05 12:51:21 <slaine> There's also a free fluendo mp3 codec pack
Jan 05 12:51:27 <Zuhaitz> Ah, I dindt know that
Jan 05 12:51:53 <slaine> MeeGo is making a reference platform for OEMs
Jan 05 12:52:02 <Zuhaitz> I understand
Jan 05 12:52:03 <Zuhaitz> :-)
Jan 05 12:52:16 <Zuhaitz> The problem is that I cant use my wifi...
Jan 05 12:52:20 <slaine> OEMs will build on that and provide their own extra repo's for things like codecs etc.
Jan 05 12:52:23 <slaine> What's the wifi ?
Jan 05 12:52:26 <Zuhaitz> I tried to install it and didnt work
Jan 05 12:52:33 <Zuhaitz> I have an Hp mini 5102
Jan 05 12:52:42 <Zuhaitz> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 01)
Jan 05 12:52:44 <Zuhaitz> Doesnt work
Jan 05 12:53:09 <slaine> I'll give you a shout in about an hour, I'm just testing my latest rpm
Jan 05 13:08:06 <magius_pendragon> slaine: I've been trying to look around, but I've no idea what you mean by start pam server.
Jan 05 13:08:40 <slaine> Whatever process starts and handles the fingerprint auth modules
Jan 05 13:08:57 <magius_pendragon> slaine: there isn't one. It's just a pam module
Jan 05 13:09:09 <slaine> and pam modules don't just run themselves
Jan 05 13:13:20 <w00t_> fabo: does MeeGo provided QtMobility's bearer management stuff yet? can't see any mention of it in the .spec?
Jan 05 13:13:30 <w00t_> *MeeGo's provided QtMobility
Jan 05 13:13:58 <fabo> w00t_: it's provided by Qt (Qt Network >= 4.7.0)
Jan 05 13:14:33 <w00t_> fabo: hm. but isn't it a seperate library? my project is trying to -lQtBearer, which it can't find
Jan 05 13:15:10 <magius_pendragon> slaine: then I've no idea what's going on. All the reading I've done says that a pam-aware application just looks at pam. Nothing about starting a service
Jan 05 13:16:04 <slaine> pam aware application needs to handle the login, that might be mingetty or something
Jan 05 13:16:11 <fabo> w00t_: it's a plugin in Qt and I guess you need to link against QtNetwork is this case
Jan 05 13:16:19 <fabo> in this case
Jan 05 13:16:36 <w00t_> fabo: ok, let's try :)
Jan 05 13:17:29 <fabo> w00t_: it's lpotter area
Jan 05 13:17:52 * w00t_ will enjoy pestering him then
Jan 05 13:18:13 <fabo> hehe
Jan 05 13:18:34 <w00t_> fabo: thanks again for your help :)
Jan 05 13:18:51 <fabo> np
Jan 05 13:35:14 <Paddy_NI> Is there any proper Meego 1.1 (chrome) torrents available?
Jan 05 13:40:17 <sturvey> Anyone know how to debug issues with xdg autostart? It doesn't seem to log anything anywhere!
Jan 05 13:46:17 <Sage> sturvey: check /var/log/uxlaunch.log
Jan 05 13:47:15 <sturvey> Sage: Doesn't exists. Though it didn't sound familiar.
Jan 05 13:49:40 <Sage> in meego uxlaunch reads the /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop files and the log should be in /var/log/uxlaunch.log
Jan 05 13:50:11 <sturvey> Sage: let me go touch it and see if that prompts it to log.
Jan 05 13:54:36 <sturvey> Sage: Nope. There's nothing in that log. It must be running: tracker-miner-fs is running and that sits in /etc/xdg/autostart
Jan 05 13:56:05 <Sage> sturvey: check if you have uxlaunch running on your system
Jan 05 13:57:01 <sturvey> Sage: Not running. But I thought it launched and quit once it had done its business anyway.
Jan 05 13:57:19 <sturvey> Sage: Still. A further discovery: I don't even have uxlaunch on this device!
Jan 05 14:00:21 <Sage> sturvey: what meego image is it? :)
Jan 05 14:01:28 <sturvey> Sage: Good question. It's actually some kind of butchered Maemo => Meego transition hybrid.
Jan 05 14:02:04 <Sage> ah.. well then you should ask from the person that made that image
Jan 05 14:03:36 <sturvey> Sage: Yeah. I think I've just found a contact here. Trouble is it's not clear what's legacy and what actually works! Thanks for the help though.
Jan 05 14:16:33 <harbaum> What does this mean: "The MeeGo platform libraries and components are not part of the MeeGo API and are discouraged for general use. "
Jan 05 14:16:48 <harbaum> Is writing meegotouch apps a bad idea?
Jan 05 14:17:15 <v_zaitsev> it seems to be hinting that way
Jan 05 14:17:42 <v_zaitsev> i don't completely understand the naming... seems like "Platform API's" is an alias for "not recommended API's"
Jan 05 14:17:55 <araujo> harbaum, it is recommended to use QML instead for new development
Jan 05 14:19:21 <harbaum> araujo: The qt omponents required for that don't even compile for ubuntu maverick as it seems: http://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2010/10/fresh-from-oven-qt-extras-for-ubuntu.html
Jan 05 14:20:10 <araujo> and? :P
Jan 05 14:20:35 <harbaum> And you can't write software if the libs don't compile
Jan 05 14:20:44 <w00t_> harbaum: that doesn't mention anything about them not building that I see
Jan 05 14:20:58 <araujo> harbaum, this is meego , not ubuntu
Jan 05 14:21:10 <w00t_> it's not even about building them, actually
Jan 05 14:21:15 <araujo> best way to develop meego apps right now is using the Meego SDK
Jan 05 14:21:17 <w00t_> it's "have some prebuilt packages"
Jan 05 14:21:38 <araujo> which brings qt quick, all you need to start developing apps, QML included
Jan 05 14:21:45 * araujo greets w00t_ 
Jan 05 14:21:49 <w00t_> o/
Jan 05 14:21:51 <harbaum> w00t_: And they aren't there, because they don't compile anymore
Jan 05 14:22:31 <w00t_> aren't where?
Jan 05 14:22:45 <harbaum> in the ppa mentioned there
Jan 05 14:22:53 <w00t_>  qt-components	 1.0~git20101213-1fn1~maverick	Gnuton (2010-12-17)
Jan 05 14:22:54 <w00t_>  qt-components	 1.0~git20101012-1fn2~lucid3	Gnuton (2010-10-26)
Jan 05 14:23:08 <w00t_> looks like they are to me
Jan 05 14:23:28 <harbaum> And where does the "build failed" on https://launchpad.net/~forumnokia/+archive/fn-ppa come from?
Jan 05 14:23:46 <harbaum> And it's actually not installable from the ppa. Tried a few hours ago
Jan 05 14:24:03 <w00t_> Errors were encountered while processing:
Jan 05 14:24:04 <w00t_>  libmeegotouch-bin
Jan 05 14:24:48 <v_zaitsev> seems to me like building the latest version failed 3 weeks ago but the binaries for a previous version that built fine, are available ?
Jan 05 14:24:57 <w00t_> yup
Jan 05 14:25:49 <w00t_> dpkg: error processing libmeegotouch-bin (--purge):
Jan 05 14:25:50 <w00t_>  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 127
Jan 05 14:25:54 <w00t_> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libmeegotouch-bin.postrm: 28: gconftool-2: not found
Jan 05 14:25:59 <w00t_> and there's why it failed
Jan 05 14:26:05 <w00t_> so, trivial to fix
Jan 05 14:28:56 <harbaum> w00t_: Who can fix that? Who has write access to this?
Jan 05 14:29:33 <Stskeeps> whoever made the packaging for it?
Jan 05 14:29:54 <w00t_> harbaum: any of the forum nokia people I suppose (I don't know them)
Jan 05 14:29:58 <X-Fade> gnuton -> Antonio.
Jan 05 14:30:30 <harbaum> Ok, let me ask the other way round: If this is broken and nobody is using this (otherwise people would probably have fixed it). What _is_ the wy to go?
Jan 05 14:31:18 <w00t_> i'd personally try contacting them and asking them if they know it's broken first
Jan 05 14:31:21 <Stskeeps> talk to the packager
Jan 05 14:31:25 <w00t_> it has been a pretty slow period
Jan 05 14:31:25 <slaine> Zuhaitz: right, I've updated my Wifi guide for the latest Broadcom drivers
Jan 05 14:32:27 <slaine> hena: wifi guide updated, not sure you where looking for it or just commenting
Jan 05 14:32:32 <Zuhaitz> slaine, Can you paste the web please?
Jan 05 14:32:40 <Zuhaitz> Yes, looking
Jan 05 14:32:53 <slaine> http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html
Jan 05 14:34:51 <Zuhaitz> :D
Jan 05 14:34:57 <hena> slaine: seems like the link for wl.foo.rpm is not working
Jan 05 14:35:07 <hena> 404
Jan 05 14:35:23 <slaine> Hmmm
Jan 05 14:37:21 <slaine> hena: Zuhaitz, sorted, cut'n'paste error
Jan 05 14:38:24 <hena> perfect
Jan 05 14:39:18 <hena> and works too ;)
Jan 05 14:42:00 <slaine> hena: excellent
Jan 05 14:43:23 <Paddy_NI> How is mobile broadband support going in meego?
Jan 05 15:47:33 * slaine gets a coffee and puts on some Zappa to wake up
Jan 05 15:47:59 <mwichmann> the dead one? how you going to wake him up?
Jan 05 15:48:16 * hena got a beer and is looking at zypper
Jan 05 15:52:24 <berndhs> mwichmann: if you play Zappa loud enough, dead people wake up
Jan 05 15:56:44 <slaine> hardy har har
Jan 05 15:57:05 <slaine> hena, I found a zypper cheat sheet once, let me see
Jan 05 15:57:25 <slaine> http://en.opensuse.org/images/1/17/Zypper-cheat-sheet-1.pdf
Jan 05 15:57:31 <slaine> handy
Jan 05 15:58:12 <hena> cool, thanks
Jan 05 15:59:14 <hena> sigh
Jan 05 15:59:33 <hena> i really dislike this so far
Jan 05 15:59:58 <hena> everything's just one big "why"
Jan 05 16:00:06 <slaine> lol
Jan 05 16:41:06 <CosmoHill> my exam went very well :)
Jan 05 16:42:20 <Bostik> congrats(?)
Jan 05 16:59:32 <Mek> hmm, seems libmeegotouch-qtstyle (what makes qwidget based qt application sort of fit in with meegotouch) only exists in 1.1, but got removed for 1.2/current...
Jan 05 17:00:56 <Stskeeps> it existed for 1.1? thought it never worked properly in meego :)
Jan 05 17:01:36 <Mek> it does exist in meego core 1.1...
Jan 05 17:01:57 <Mek> but yeah, it doesn't reall work properly :)
Jan 05 17:08:09 <Mek> heliocastro: I see you have some sort of 'meegotouch-qt-style-*.rpm' at http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch/, but I can't find any source-rpms or spec files for that package anywhere, do you know where I might find such a file? :)
Jan 05 17:08:30 <heliocastro> Mek: A minute
Jan 05 17:09:45 <hena> there's one better thing at least on this zypper than apt
Jan 05 17:10:10 <hena> didn't feel like searching for the correct package so installed libX*-devel :D
Jan 05 17:10:38 <Bostik> ah yes, wildcard install
Jan 05 17:11:10 <heliocastro> Mek: no more qt-style, new packages obsoleted this
Jan 05 17:11:49 <Mek> heliocastro: what new packages? :)
Jan 05 17:11:55 <heliocastro> Mek: Download the package structure in libmeegotouch.tar.bz2
Jan 05 17:12:36 <heliocastro> You have the spec and how to download sources
Jan 05 17:12:53 <heliocastro> Mek: I can build only fedora 64 bits at home
Jan 05 17:13:14 <heliocastro> Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch
Jan 05 17:13:25 <heliocastro> Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch.tar.bz2
Jan 05 17:13:30 <heliocastro> i will remove the old dir
Jan 05 17:14:10 <Mek> heliocastro: but does that actually include the qt-style? as in git it got moved out of libmeegotouch into a seperate repository, and I can only find rpm source packages for libmeegotouch including the old style, or libmeegotouch without it at all...
Jan 05 17:14:44 <heliocastro> Mek: No, i not package style anymore
Jan 05 17:14:54 <heliocastro> Do you need it ? I can make a rpm spec
Jan 05 17:15:26 <Mek> well, it seems to be the only way to get a normal qt application sort of look okay in te handset ux, so yes, that would be very nice
Jan 05 17:15:41 <heliocastro> Ok, give 30 minutes
Jan 05 17:16:08 <Mek> great
Jan 05 17:20:54 <hena> this is gonna take ages before i can play go with meego...
Jan 05 17:21:08 <hena> need to do a quick hack to get my fix
Jan 05 17:23:01 <hena> any familiar with qt, how big a task would it be in general to bump up a qt3 program to qt4?
Jan 05 17:24:05 <heliocastro> hena: Mediium to hard
Jan 05 17:24:41 <heliocastro> hena: Included script helped you with basics, but a little knowledge beyond beginners is needed on both qt's
Jan 05 17:24:49 <heliocastro> and this makes things difficult
Jan 05 17:25:20 <heliocastro> Mek: Will take a little more because my ine is slow as hell and i need recompile meegotouch
Jan 05 17:25:57 <Mek> heliocastro: ah okay, no problem; in half an hour I'll probably be having lunch anyway :)
Jan 05 17:26:10 <hena> well, the alternative is going from gtk to qt
Jan 05 17:26:52 <hena> which i prefer, but was wondering if i could get something working faster going from 3 to 4
Jan 05 17:27:05 <heliocastro> hena: Way more complex than, since is completly different way of thinking
Jan 05 17:27:22 <heliocastro> Yes, compared to gtk, will be way faster
Jan 05 17:27:32 <heliocastro> I passed for all possible situations
Jan 05 17:54:03 <RST38h> HNY, Dawn
Jan 05 17:54:11 <DawnFoster> hey RST38h
Jan 05 18:05:12 <DawnFoster> TSG meeting for today is cancelled for anyone who was planning to attend.
Jan 05 18:06:01 <DawnFoster> No agenda items = no meeting :)
Jan 05 18:19:35 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i actually thought TSG was next week :)
Jan 05 18:20:14 <Paddy_NI> Stskeeps: Is it possible to use the Meego UI on other distros?
Jan 05 18:20:19 <Paddy_NI> woops
Jan 05 18:20:25 <Paddy_NI> meant that for the channel
Jan 05 18:21:49 <Paddy_NI> The lack of mobile broadband support is preventing me from using meego itself
Jan 05 18:22:11 <Stskeeps> Paddy_NI: what specific problem do you have?
Jan 05 18:23:06 <Paddy_NI> Getting the Meego UI on another distro.. not particularly specific
Jan 05 18:24:38 <Stskeeps> Paddy_NI: it is possible, yes, some has done, but it isn't meego, so can't assume meego apps will work on there
Jan 05 18:25:28 <Paddy_NI> Stskeeps: well I know meego has its own integration for banshee and chrome, but I could get away with using my regular apps
Jan 05 18:25:34 <Paddy_NI> I would imagine so anyway
Jan 05 18:26:17 <Paddy_NI> using chakra which is a kde specific distro based on arch
Jan 05 18:30:48 <adeus> There wasn't a MeeGo group in last.fm, so I created one
Jan 05 18:30:50 <adeus> http://www.last.fm/group/MeeGo
Jan 05 18:30:52 <adeus> welcome!
Jan 05 18:31:41 <dm8tbr> what does MeeGo music sound like?
Jan 05 18:32:03 <hena> it's like nokia tune, but free
Jan 05 18:32:12 <adeus> or whatever you listen to
Jan 05 18:32:31 <pierce> so what do groups do in lastfm?
Jan 05 18:33:05 <Paddy_NI> pierce: Its just a social "web 2.0" thing :P
Jan 05 18:33:05 <adeus> nothing except spy on what other users listen to
Jan 05 18:33:06 <pierce> been using it to play music for maybe 6 years now, never looked into using it like a social network
Jan 05 18:33:06 <andre__> create a vague feeling of having at least something to share? ;-)
Jan 05 18:33:35 <Paddy_NI> I hate facebook, my girlfiend put me on it ;-(
Jan 05 18:34:14 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: oh good - then you aren't disappointed that it's cancelled :)
Jan 05 18:34:27 <adeus> pierce: it has been a good source to find new bands that have a common interest
Jan 05 18:35:25 <pierce> I always thought it would be fun if it gave more alerts of when music you like is coming to town, and tools for bands to do some market research and see where they should go next etc
Jan 05 18:36:04 <Paddy_NI> pierce: Would not be out of place anyway
Jan 05 18:36:40 <Paddy_NI> Is it apple who publish new artists music and handle promotion/advertising and all that for you
Jan 05 18:36:45 <Paddy_NI> I wonder at what cost though?
Jan 05 18:36:45 <hena> one thing meego is missing is bash-completion
Jan 05 18:37:00 <hena> so hard to live without it once used to it
Jan 05 18:37:03 <Paddy_NI> hena: is that not something you can enable
Jan 05 18:37:30 <hena> well, still filling packages for zypper and whatnot is a bit more
Jan 05 18:37:57 <hena> not terribly huge task but requires work anyways
Jan 05 18:38:08 <Paddy_NI> I'm on Chakra, pacman does not seem to support tab-completion either
Jan 05 18:38:22 <markatto> Paddy_NI: nope it doesn't
Jan 05 18:38:29 <Paddy_NI> but meh "pacman Syu"
Jan 05 18:38:42 <Paddy_NI> rather -Syu
Jan 05 18:38:48 <Paddy_NI> handy
Jan 05 18:38:50 <markatto> Paddy_NI: you could probably write a zsh completion for it
Jan 05 18:39:02 <Paddy_NI> markatto: for packages?
Jan 05 18:40:04 <hena> altho the completion could be quite slow on lesser hardware, especially on handsets
Jan 05 18:40:04 <Alison_Chaiken> Just was talking to Rikki Kite, publisher of _Smart Developer_ magazine.   Editorial deadline for next issue is mid-Feb.  Having some articles on MeeGo in time for the May conference would be cool.   _Smart Developer_ comes from the German _Linux Magazine_ folks and is quite well-done given it has had only one issue.  Hey thiago, how 'bout writing something?
Jan 05 18:40:20 <Paddy_NI> Netbook here so not a good idea
Jan 05 18:40:36 <Paddy_NI> although oddly unity was pretty decent when I had it on
Jan 05 18:40:46 <Paddy_NI> did not last though ;-)
Jan 05 18:41:49 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: suggest on meego-dev perhaps? I'm sure there's people interested in helping
Jan 05 18:42:23 <Alison_Chaiken> Stskeeps, will do.   Dinna know that there was a meego-dev.
Jan 05 18:44:28 <Stskeeps> meego-dev mailing list :)
Jan 05 18:44:47 <mwichmann> -community might be better?
Jan 05 18:45:03 <Stskeeps> possibly, but if you want developers to write articles?
Jan 05 18:45:32 <Stskeeps> but yeah, start out at -community, put it together well and then ask in a nice way, i guess
Jan 05 18:52:48 <sivang_ideapad> hi all
Jan 05 18:53:08 <sivang_ideapad> how can I find out why my ideapad got all of the sudden very slow with meego on it?
Jan 05 18:53:48 <sivang_ideapad> also, is zypper update enough to know your on the latest stable release with all updates inside?
Jan 05 18:54:27 * sivang_ideapad goes to disable the vkeyboard when in focus, as this is not really usable as a touch scheme
Jan 05 18:57:38 <sivang_ideapad> other than that, has anyone managed to enable rotation of the screen for book reading for example?
Jan 05 18:58:00 <heliocastro> Mek: Start here > http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/mtf/
Jan 05 18:58:15 <heliocastro> Mek: Compile this two and i ḿ finishing qt-style
Jan 05 19:05:57 * sivang_ideapad wonders if the fact the back cover blocked stops it from being properly cooled
Jan 05 19:06:12 <sivang_ideapad> (the vent seems to be on the side though)
Jan 05 19:08:47 <Mek> heliocastro: thanks
Jan 05 19:10:10 <odin_> sivang_ideapad,  I have seen kseriod consume vast amounts of CPU on ideapad, have you used a shell and looked with "top" to see what remains at top of list eating CPU ?  (look at TIME+ column increasing)
Jan 05 19:10:33 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, maybe kseriod is keyboard/touchscreen/something driver function ?
Jan 05 19:12:36 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: good idea, let me take a look. Also Chrome became as slow to almost be unusable
Jan 05 19:12:47 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: tab redraw takes ages like
Jan 05 19:13:58 <mwichmann> I've seen really dubious performance too (just got it up)
Jan 05 19:15:44 <mwichmann> kseriod bursts, but is almost never below 5%
Jan 05 19:15:51 <mwichmann> also find out some interesting things from powertop
Jan 05 19:16:02 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: ah, okay, then at least its not just me :)
Jan 05 19:16:21 <sivang_ideapad> when a youtube flv is playing, the rest of the system is close to unusable
Jan 05 19:16:24 <sivang_ideapad> as well
Jan 05 19:16:26 <sivang_ideapad> inside chormium
Jan 05 19:16:42 <sivang_ideapad> can't see this kseriod
Jan 05 19:16:57 <mwichmann> well, that's part of why flash is so horrid, and should be banned :)
Jan 05 19:17:20 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: has no issue running on my other netbook, but that one's got nvidia
Jan 05 19:17:24 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, I believe kseriod is a kernel thread, so could not strace to see what it is doing, but 5% of total CPU is a awful lot for human interface input processing (if that is what it is doing), for me kseriod was eating CPU over hours for no obvious reason, maybe it is some suspend/resume bug interaction
Jan 05 19:17:37 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: but much weaker CPU, e.g. first gen atom
Jan 05 19:17:49 <mwichmann> the k* procs are generally kernel threads, yes
Jan 05 19:18:12 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: sounds like "kernel serial io daemon"
Jan 05 19:18:16 <mwichmann> I'm finding this less snappy than an acer with (ahem) ubuntu by a long ways
Jan 05 19:18:37 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: yes, same here only ubuntu is on MUCH weaker atom
Jan 05 19:19:01 <mwichmann> I think my acer is only "somewhat slower", not "much"
Jan 05 19:19:05 <sivang_ideapad> okay, just wanted to make sure I'm not a performance facist :)
Jan 05 19:19:39 <sivang_ideapad> I did update last night, and I think the kernel got upgraded
Jan 05 19:19:43 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, yes and maybe the touchscreen is serial I/O based ?  or not what else is on stock ideapad + MeeGo 1.1
Jan 05 19:19:45 <mwichmann> startup times on things seem poor, too bad there's not an ssd in there :)
Jan 05 19:20:15 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: oh, so it used to boot up much faster before the upgrade :/
Jan 05 19:20:23 * sivang_ideapad wished he could undo the upgrade
Jan 05 19:20:52 <mwichmann> not boot so much, program launch I meant
Jan 05 19:21:01 <mwichmann> non-scientific, just a reaction
Jan 05 19:21:10 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: yes, I understand
Jan 05 19:21:32 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: I think that when you'll upgrade you wont' see this kseriod anymore
Jan 05 19:22:11 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: ^
Jan 05 19:22:29 <mwichmann> upgrade to...?   (so far stock 1.1/upgrades, no 1.1.80 repos, etc.)
Jan 05 19:22:45 <sivang_ideapad> we have to fix the wakeup from sleep bug
Jan 05 19:22:46 <sivang_ideapad> I got so ued to that on ubuntu..
Jan 05 19:22:52 <sivang_ideapad> e.g. make it work without the user thinking what he is actually doing while closing the leed
Jan 05 19:24:43 <sivang_ideapad> I mean, having to think on what he is doing or how not to open and close the leed too quickly
Jan 05 19:24:47 <mwichmann> guess I'm going to have to go bugzilla digging, see if I need to file bugs on any of this
Jan 05 19:26:01 <sivang_ideapad> mwichmann: I guess
Jan 05 19:29:16 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: any idea how I switch to trunk:release btw? I remember you tellin gme this some time back, but I need to dig irclogs, maybe you recall it off hand?
Jan 05 19:30:57 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, switch as in using 'osc' ?  or switch as in using 'git' (although are colons not allowed) ?
Jan 05 19:31:23 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: osc, is obs?
Jan 05 19:31:37 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: e.g. where repos are?
Jan 05 19:31:44 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, yes the obs command line tool
Jan 05 19:32:16 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, oh to install a package from another repo ?  like zypper addrepo
Jan 05 19:32:28 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: afterwhich when I zypper refresh and update i get latest released updates?
Jan 05 19:33:28 <sivang_ideapad> odin_: well, just to be on the repo that has latest builds for current "release"
Jan 05 19:33:44 <heliocastro> Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/mtf/meegotouch-qt-style-0.20.63-1.fc14.src.rpm
Jan 05 19:33:58 <heliocastro> Mek: You own me a beer in some of the next conferences :-P
Jan 05 19:34:37 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, ok understand ... try ... zypper ar http://newrepo.foobar.org/path/project:/package/arch  "My Label"; zypper ref; zypper pa -r "My Label" ?
Jan 05 19:35:44 <odin_> sivang_ideapad, install from it with: zypper in -r "My Label" package-name-1.2.3.x86_64
Jan 05 19:38:24 * heliocastro forgot how easy is to make rpm packages against the piece of shit that is ,ultiples files for debian
Jan 05 19:58:09 <Mek> heliocastro: definitely :)
Jan 05 20:36:10 <Wowing> Try good world of warcrafthttp://bestwow.no-ip.biz
Jan 05 20:53:33 <alterego> Something very strage about meego.com/user/
Jan 05 20:59:00 <DawnFoster> alterego: strange in what way?
Jan 05 21:00:29 <alterego> In that I seem to have two profiles on there.
Jan 05 21:01:13 <DawnFoster> not sure what you mean by 2 profiles
Jan 05 21:01:30 <alterego> Well, I have my original account /user/57
Jan 05 21:01:48 <alterego> Then I seem to have another profile with the biography I wrote for conference2010.meego.com
Jan 05 21:02:10 <alterego> /usr/11946
Jan 05 21:02:16 <alterego> /user/11946 ;)
Jan 05 21:02:21 <DawnFoster> aha, I'm guessing that when you signed up for the meego conference, you accidentally signed up for a new account, too
Jan 05 21:02:31 <alterego> Hrm, oh.
Jan 05 21:02:34 <DawnFoster> instead of being logged into your original one
Jan 05 21:02:44 <DawnFoster> the workflow on that process was *terrible*
Jan 05 21:02:53 <DawnFoster> and something we're fixing for the May conference
Jan 05 21:02:55 <alterego> Yeah, so much so I didn't get to go :(
Jan 05 21:03:37 <DawnFoster> we're going to overhaul the registration process to make it easier
Jan 05 21:03:43 <alterego> And May is more of a corporate oriented event afair
Jan 05 21:04:28 <alterego> I was mainly interested in the october conference to meet all the maemoers I've never bet but been talking to for 6 years and I also kinda wanted to do one of the Qt certs too :)
Jan 05 21:04:33 <alterego> But never mind ^.^
Jan 05 21:26:31 <hena> sigh
Jan 05 21:26:56 <hena> i'm so freakin' lost with my 9 screen windows and server with one of them using zypper
Jan 05 21:45:08 <iztech> hey guys can you run gps on tablet with meego, if so which tablet has it been tested on
Jan 05 21:46:54 <iztech> is anyone showing anything at CES?
Jan 05 22:02:15 <haroun> Anyone knows , whether Moorsetown kernel supports capacitive touchscreen driver ? if 's' can you pls point me the location ?
Jan 05 22:58:04 <halvors> :  problem
Jan 05 23:36:42 <ali1234> ideapad platform driver? http://git.iksaif.net/?p=acpi4asus.git;a=commit;h=1cee026eb0e9333c14a40bb5e683a721bf520b9a
Jan 05 23:37:28 <javispedro> that's for the soft rfkill stuff
Jan 05 23:37:53 <javispedro> that one is in 2.6.36+
Jan 05 23:39:35 <ali1234> ah ok, not for the embedded controller then?
Jan 05 23:39:40 <javispedro> nope
Jan 05 23:40:30 <javispedro> btw
Jan 05 23:40:48 <javispedro> are our lenovos "different"?
Jan 05 23:41:01 <javispedro> even the manual and some online sites state they use ddr2
Jan 05 23:41:07 <javispedro> yet at least mine is a n455 and uses ddr3
Jan 05 23:42:06 <lcuk> sabotage, :) thanks for the talk last night, I followed up somewhat and got the handset applications themselves on the handset ux (the log of actions is below the conversation) http://liqbase.net/meego_changing_desktops_addendum_20110105.txt
Jan 05 23:42:09 <javispedro> I've also noted different behaviours for hotkeys between mine and someone's retail lenovo.
Jan 05 23:42:39 <lcuk> still needs tweaking somewhat, but your hints about zypper patterns was useful :)
Jan 05 23:43:01 <lcuk> javispedro, i heard network cards differed
Jan 05 23:43:09 <lcuk> so potentially it might have been more than that
Jan 05 23:44:03 <javispedro> yeah, but it's weird they'd stick a ddr3 mobo =)
Jan 05 23:46:18 <hiptobecubic> Meega
Jan 05 23:46:42 <hiptobecubic> Meego's not ready for the girlfriend test yet, is it?
Jan 05 23:47:10 <CosmoHill> depends on the girlfriend
Jan 05 23:47:14 <lcuk> it depends, does your girlfriend support SSSE3 instructions and have OpenGLES2 acceleration?
Jan 05 23:47:25 <hiptobecubic> She does
Jan 05 23:47:55 <javispedro> how many cores?
Jan 05 23:48:02 <hiptobecubic> she has one
Jan 05 23:48:08 <javispedro> outdated -- discard.
Jan 05 23:48:32 <hiptobecubic> Well i can't afford a new one
Jan 05 23:48:38 <hiptobecubic> So i'll have to make due
Jan 05 23:48:39 <lcuk> does she have a microsd slot?
Jan 05 23:49:04 <hiptobecubic> she does
Jan 05 23:50:10 <lcuk> to install meego on your partner: get a sharpie, write "meego" on forehead and go dabble.
Jan 05 23:51:38 <hiptobecubic> Realistically though, If i stick it on her netbook, and tell her "here try this" is she going to be upset that it crashes when she watches youtube? Or is it reliable?
Jan 05 23:52:05 <lcuk> if its a netbook, the usb key includes liveboot thing to boot from usb without installing
Jan 05 23:52:17 <lcuk> you can test/confirm all you need
Jan 05 23:52:35 <lcuk> and then if it ticks all the right boxes you can install it :)
Jan 05 23:53:03 <hiptobecubic> hmmm
Jan 05 23:53:16 <pexi> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/ces-microsoft-shows-off-windows-8-on-arm/8339
Jan 05 23:54:24 <ali1234> it's not all that bad on netbook
Jan 05 23:56:28 <lcuk> ali1234, some frustrations, especially bug 10544
Jan 05 23:56:32 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, NEW, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications
Jan 05 23:56:43 <lcuk> it makes my eyes bleed
Jan 05 23:58:57 <ali1234> who even uses alt-tab?
Jan 05 23:59:04 <ali1234> i haven't used it since about 1998
Jan 05 23:59:16 <hiptobecubic> I use it constantly
Jan 05 23:59:23 <lcuk> ali1234, i use it when coding
Jan 05 23:59:47 <ali1234> i can't even understand that bug report :(
Jan 05 23:59:48 <lcuk> i have editor and terminal and browser and folder window
Jan 05 23:59:53 <lcuk> and switch between them
Jan 06 00:00:02 <lcuk> theres 2 window lists
Jan 06 00:00:09 <lcuk> 1 being the order the windows were opened
Jan 06 00:00:15 <lcuk> which remains constant
Jan 06 00:00:20 <lcuk> and the other is alt tab
Jan 06 00:00:53 <lcuk> when you alt tab, the window manager pans back and "slides" to the window you want
Jan 06 00:01:00 <lcuk> using the opened order visuals
Jan 06 00:01:32 <ali1234> oh yeah i remember that
Jan 06 00:01:55 <ali1234> it's a completely pointless effect that just makes switching windows take longer than necessary and as an added bonus, sells more GPUs
Jan 06 00:02:06 <lcuk> the more windows you have open, the more unsettling it is
Jan 06 00:03:10 <ali1234> just shut your eyes while the effect is on screen :)
Jan 06 00:03:21 <lcuk> how long will it be on screen?
Jan 06 00:03:28 <lcuk> if theres 2 windows it will be ok
Jan 06 00:03:30 <ali1234> i dunno, too long imo
Jan 06 00:03:42 <lcuk> but god forbid you alt tab to the "wrong" console and have it slide forever
Jan 06 00:04:00 <lcuk> it fscks with head anyway
Jan 06 00:04:04 <ali1234> turn it off
Jan 06 00:04:11 <ali1234> if there isn;t a way to turn it off, report a bug for that
Jan 06 00:04:34 <lcuk> i dont mind it, i just think the order of windows on the list should reflect stuff
Jan 06 00:04:57 <lcuk> its only rectangles and should be a trivial thing to fix for someone who knows which line
Jan 06 00:05:00 <ali1234> the order on alt-tab is traditionally arranged to show the most recent windows first
Jan 06 00:05:13 <ali1234> the order of the sliding presumably uses the spatial position of the windows on the virtual screens
Jan 06 00:05:18 <hiptobecubic> The sliding thing is pretty terrible, yes.
Jan 06 00:05:23 <ali1234> i guess this is the core of your problem?
Jan 06 00:05:28 <lcuk> yes
Jan 06 00:06:20 <ali1234> i can't see a way to fix the sliding effect, and changing alt-tab will just annoy people even more... so i can't see a good way to fix this
Jan 06 00:06:46 <ali1234> doesn't really seem like that much of a problem though
Jan 06 00:06:51 <ali1234> assuming the slide takes constant time
Jan 06 00:07:06 <lcuk> ali1234, alt_tab.clicked() {   WindowManager.Rearrange_Contents();
Jan 06 00:07:11 <ali1234> ie it goes faster if the windows are further apart, like the compiz virtual dekstop switcher does if you jump between two far apart desktops
Jan 06 00:07:26 <ali1234> oh, you want the window manager to move around all windows when you alt tab?
Jan 06 00:07:35 <ali1234> won't that get confusing when the windows are constantly moving around?
Jan 06 00:07:42 <lcuk> no moving needed until you select which window you want to go to
Jan 06 00:07:53 <lcuk> then just put the windows into the same order as they were in alt tab
Jan 06 00:08:04 <ali1234> then after the slide effect, put them back?
Jan 06 00:08:06 <lcuk> you dont see the windows overall position
Jan 06 00:08:10 <lcuk> until you do alt tab
Jan 06 00:08:14 <lcuk> so they wont "move around"
Jan 06 00:08:16 <ali1234> you do if you have more than one on a screen...
Jan 06 00:08:37 <lcuk> and how do you have more onscreen at once on netbook?
Jan 06 00:09:08 <lcuk> i have not seen any app share screenspace in netbook
Jan 06 00:09:15 <ali1234> there is a way to do it
Jan 06 00:09:19 <ali1234> i can't remember how
Jan 06 00:09:24 <lcuk> but its not the norm
Jan 06 00:09:25 <ali1234> but it is definitely possible
Jan 06 00:09:41 <lcuk> anyways, i need coffee, \o
Jan 06 00:10:02 <ali1234> really though the whole "q app per desktop" is the reason my ideapad has ubuntu installed on it
Jan 06 00:10:12 <ali1234> i just can't get on with it
Jan 06 00:10:48 * lcuk does not mind that
Jan 06 00:11:16 <ali1234> i don't like alt-tab at all, it is slower than just clicking the taskbar
Jan 06 00:11:44 <ali1234> i don't like editors that heavily use keyboard shortcuts either
Jan 06 00:11:46 <lcuk> only if you dont have to pickup mouse
Jan 06 00:11:58 <ali1234> i don't care how fast you are with vim, selecting a block of text is still faster with the mouse
Jan 06 00:12:01 <lcuk> but i am a touch guy
Jan 06 00:12:25 <lcuk> ali1234, selecting a block of text directly with the screen should be even faster :P
Jan 06 00:12:31 <lcuk> but its time and motion studies
Jan 06 00:12:37 <lcuk> if you hand is on the keyboard
Jan 06 00:12:37 <hiptobecubic> ali1234, vim lets you select with the mouse as well :)
Jan 06 00:12:39 <ali1234> it would be if touch screens weren't so damn inaccurate
Jan 06 00:12:43 <lcuk> to move it away knocks you off
Jan 06 00:13:27 <ali1234> i don't put much faith in those studies. they would probably conclude that computers should have only one button because moving your hand between multiple buttons slows you down
Jan 06 00:14:23 <ali1234> then again i don't touch type either
Jan 06 00:14:48 <hiptobecubic> I do touch type, and I still get impatient with how long it takes.
Jan 06 00:14:50 <ali1234> i think if you are a touch typer who *never* looks away from the screen you might have difficulty finding your mouse (which can move about)
Jan 06 00:15:03 <ali1234> but i stare at the keyboard while typing :)
Jan 06 00:15:36 <javispedro> even if you're a touch typer, how are you going to *lose* the mouse?
Jan 06 00:15:40 <javispedro> it's not like it moves on your own
Jan 06 00:15:42 <javispedro> *his own.
Jan 06 00:15:54 <ali1234> not "lose" it... just have difficulty grabbing it quickly when you need to click on something
Jan 06 00:16:20 <javispedro> *looks at his mouse* right down the spacebar.
Jan 06 00:16:41 <hiptobecubic> i have issues with touchpads being underfoot, so to speak. But that's really just HP being a bunch of stupid assholes more than anything else. Do they really think symmetry sells more laptops?
Jan 06 00:17:06 <ali1234> ah touchpads... yeah, i tend to use a lot more keyboard shortcuts when i'm on a machine with a touchpad
Jan 06 00:17:20 <ali1234> but i carry around a usb mouse in my netbook bag anyway
Jan 06 00:17:52 <ali1234> when i'm using my netbook at home i use synergy to control it with my desktop keyboard and mouse
Jan 06 00:18:20 <hiptobecubic> ... why are you using a netbook at home?
Jan 06 00:18:29 <hiptobecubic> from your desk, no less
Jan 06 00:18:30 <ali1234> um... because i'm a developer?
Jan 06 00:18:32 * lcuk is close to using n900 as mouse :)
Jan 06 00:19:01 <mwichmann> speaking of usb meece, I'm using one occasionally on the ideapad, since that touchpad is so crappy
Jan 06 00:19:01 <ali1234> i don't develop and test on the same machine... that way lies madness
Jan 06 00:19:04 <mwichmann> and it works really poorly
Jan 06 00:19:19 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q
Jan 06 00:19:20 <mwichmann> it "forgets" if you don't touch it for a bit, you have to click to wake it up
Jan 06 00:19:25 <mwichmann> this sound familiar at all?
Jan 06 00:19:27 <lcuk> ali1234, why is that madness? :)
Jan 06 00:19:39 <ali1234> no, i had no problems with usb mouse on meego on ideapad
Jan 06 00:20:02 <mwichmann> humpf
Jan 06 00:20:37 <ali1234> lcuk i guess it depends what you're developing. if you're testing a kernel module and you have to reboot every time, you don't want to be loading up your whole IDE after every crash...
Jan 06 00:20:58 <ali1234> also what the hell is that video?
Jan 06 00:21:12 <lcuk> ali1234, for sure
Jan 06 00:21:30 <lcuk> ali1234, its related to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM
Jan 06 00:21:44 <ali1234> o_O
Jan 06 00:23:48 <ali1234> mwichmann: to be honest, if i don't touch the mouse for a while on ideapad/meego, it suspends and then can never wake up... maybe that's why i didn't have the problem
Jan 06 01:36:14 <Ragha> guys, how do i setup native compilation environment with meego
Jan 06 01:37:12 <lcuk> Ragha, depends what you want to compile
Jan 06 01:38:06 <Ragha> let me start just have gcc first
Jan 06 01:38:15 <lcuk> but doing "zypper pattern-info development-tools" or "zypper in -t pattern development-tools" should add everything
Jan 06 01:38:29 <lcuk> even a simple "zypper se gcc" would tell you whether its there ;)
Jan 06 01:38:54 <lcuk> you need to also install the -devel packages for libraries you need to use
Jan 06 01:40:58 <Ragha> i did zypper install pattern:development-tools
Jan 06 01:41:04 <Ragha> i get error
Jan 06 01:41:45 <lcuk> then debug the error :P
Jan 06 01:41:48 <Robot101> thiago_: hey, you arrived in vegas?
Jan 06 01:42:25 <lcuk> hey Robot101 :)
Jan 06 01:43:29 <Ragha> lcuk, doing it
Jan 06 01:44:08 <Robot101> lcuk: yo
Jan 06 01:45:54 <lcuk> Robot101, wheres the conf happening and why aren't you out enjoying Vegas? :D
Jan 06 01:46:33 <lcuk> or are you sat at a poker table now ircing :P
Jan 06 01:46:41 <Robot101> I don't really find Vegas that scintillating, and I had a massive headache when I arrived so I'm just chilling out in my room
Jan 06 01:47:02 <lcuk> eek, i bet the short sleep contributed to that
Jan 06 02:21:31 <vgrade> \o/ - kernel messages to framebuffer on #advent #vega #tegra2
Jan 06 02:25:45 <thiago_> Robot101: yes
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