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Jan 09 04:48:13 <Termana> morning
Jan 09 04:53:21 <Alison_Chaiken> Huomenta Termana.
Jan 09 07:13:31 <pupnik> huomenta
Jan 09 08:02:25 <Alison_Chaiken> Päivät pitkät pyöräilyä: hyvä yuötä!
Jan 09 08:07:55 <Stskeeps> morn david
Jan 09 08:39:42 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: ftr - I don't see QA test reports for the netbook qemu image
Jan 09 08:41:51 <Stskeeps> really? hmm
Jan 09 08:41:54 <Stskeeps> where did i see it then
Jan 09 08:42:10 <Stskeeps> this might be a leopard problem [1]
Jan 09 08:43:11 <dm8tbr> I do not have the visibility, but my guess is that nobody knows as the key words from the error log of mic2 don't show anything in BMC
Jan 09 08:43:16 <Stskeeps> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-January/001033.html , (if netbook doesnt boot, so wont qemu)
Jan 09 08:43:51 <dm8tbr> the image doesn't even get generated due to conflicting packages
Jan 09 08:43:54 <Stskeeps> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-January/001021.html
Jan 09 08:44:51 <dm8tbr> ok so it's general pvr screwup and it should work again eventually
Jan 09 08:45:28 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 09 08:45:37 <Stskeeps> and why i think hardware adaptations should be seperate from core ;)
Jan 09 08:45:55 <Stskeeps> (this is probably the longest running discussion in meego)
Jan 09 08:46:02 <Stskeeps> originally we had our own 'n900' section
Jan 09 08:54:26 <pupnik> Stskeeps is right
Jan 09 09:02:56 <hena> hena-desktop klogd: [223851.009921] Process zypper (pid: 6234, ti=e6ce8000 task=c936cdf0 task.ti=e6ce8000)
Jan 09 09:02:59 <hena> Segmentation fault
Jan 09 09:03:14 <Stskeeps> ssse3?
Jan 09 09:03:57 <hena> nope
Jan 09 09:04:04 <hena> sorry, yes
Jan 09 09:06:08 <hena> it seems to trigger only on install libcurl-devel
Jan 09 09:57:21 <hena> sudo zypper install zypper-debug
Jan 09 09:57:21 <hena> Loading repository data...
Jan 09 09:57:21 <hena> Reading installed packages...
Jan 09 09:57:21 <hena> Package 'zypper' not found.
Jan 09 09:57:52 <hena> seems also weird that it complains about not finding zypper when i'm trying to install something else
Jan 09 09:59:13 <Stskeeps> enable debuginfo repos
Jan 09 09:59:32 <hena> sigh, i guess i need to get over my abstinence about web
Jan 09 09:59:50 <hena> and log into bugzilla or whatever it is
Jan 09 10:00:02 <hena> i have it, i just had an incorrect package name
Jan 09 10:00:09 <hena> it's zypper-debug
Jan 09 10:00:11 <hena> it's zypper-debuginfo
Jan 09 10:00:29 <hena> but when i tried with -debug, it complains that i can't find package zypper
Jan 09 10:00:47 <hena> when it should have been obviously zypper-debug that it can't find
Jan 09 10:02:29 <Stskeeps> mm
Jan 09 10:33:36 <hena> warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/bin/zypper.debug" does not match "/usr/bin/zypper" (CRC mismatch).
Jan 09 10:33:42 <hena> sigh, this is not my day
Jan 09 10:44:38 <timeless_mbp> hena: compare the versions, are they the same?
Jan 09 10:47:21 <hena> they were not, updating the system now
Jan 09 10:47:32 <hena> somehow i just assumed that it would install the same version
Jan 09 11:32:09 <hena> ok, seems like i can't even install the same versions of zypper and zypper-debuginfo
Jan 09 11:32:50 <hena> or then i'm just braindead
Jan 09 11:32:56 <hena> which is likely
Jan 09 11:50:53 <Stskeeps> dneary: was there ever any followups after http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/20101223 hildon stuff?
Jan 09 11:57:26 <lcuk> morning \o
Jan 09 12:10:24 <hena> ok, wtf
Jan 09 12:10:37 <hena> why are they different versions?
Jan 09 12:10:55 <hena> morn lcuk
Jan 09 12:31:18 <lcuk> are the repositories broken again
Jan 09 12:31:26 <lcuk> doing zypper refresh causing errors
Jan 09 12:31:35 <lcuk> errr zypper update
Jan 09 12:37:52 <hena> i got some too
Jan 09 12:37:57 <hena> from testing
Jan 09 12:40:51 <hena> ok, now i'm getting for pretty much everything
Jan 09 12:44:34 <lcuk> hena, yeah its odd
Jan 09 12:45:54 <lcuk> Retrieving repository 'handset' metadata [\]
Jan 09 12:45:54 <lcuk> Signature verification failed for file 'repomd.xml' from repository 'handset'.
Jan 09 12:45:54 <lcuk> Warning: This might be caused by a malicious change in the file!
Jan 09 12:45:54 <lcuk> Continuing might be risky. Continue anyway? [yes/no] (no): yes
Jan 09 12:45:54 <lcuk> Retrieving repository 'handset' metadata [/]
Jan 09 12:45:55 <lcuk> Download (curl) error for 'http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/handset/repos/ia32/packages/repodata/131a16d7698480652a169db5eb30a628431670917fb2b571c7d8000288f4f5f0-primary.sqlite.bz2':
Jan 09 12:45:58 <lcuk> Error code: Unrecognized error
Jan 09 12:46:00 <lcuk> Error message: HTTP server doesn't seem to support byte ranges. Cannot resume.
Jan 09 12:46:11 <Stskeeps> one of the kernel.org mirrors are acting up
Jan 09 12:46:53 <lcuk> sounds like it
Jan 09 12:47:33 <hena> i guess that could explain my inconsistensies also, then
Jan 09 13:09:42 <hena> also, kind of annoying that if i'm running mplayer with many files for example, it gets new zones by random
Jan 09 13:10:11 <hena> every second file opens up in a new zone and the other in existing zone
Jan 09 15:51:24 <vlj> hi
Jan 09 15:51:33 <vlj> there is no facebook plugin in meego 1.1 ?
Jan 09 17:16:42 <nhg> hi all
Jan 09 17:18:42 <nhg> Just wondering if anyone received the lenovo netbook shipments from the meego conference held in Dublin.  Me and my colleagues who attended the conference are still waiting for it.  This may not be the right forum for this question but if anyone can point me in the right direction on this it would be appreciated.  Thanks.
Jan 09 17:19:29 <Stskeeps> i think some did receive it
Jan 09 17:19:46 <Stskeeps> forum.meego.com has a thread on it
Jan 09 17:20:38 <nhg> Stskeeps: any ideas if there is someone at Intel we should followup with?  We sent a couple of emails to Amy Leeland but haven't got any response from her.
Jan 09 17:21:47 <berndhs> some European shipping is still confused from the 12 millimeters of snow they got a month ago
Jan 09 17:22:30 <mihero> :)
Jan 09 17:24:38 <Stskeeps> nhg: no idea sorry
Jan 09 17:25:12 <nhg> Stskeeps:  no worries....I just need to find the right folks at Intel to followup on it.
Jan 09 18:11:07 <CosmoHill> I've been up for 7 hours and I've only just turned the computer on, something must be wrong with me
Jan 09 18:13:51 <lcuk> CosmoHill, most days I never turn the computer on
Jan 09 18:13:58 <lcuk> mind you, I don't turn it off either
Jan 09 19:55:38 <CosmoHill> 8 days until I get my assignment / exam results :)
Jan 09 19:56:17 <Mat_Matan> CosmoHill: you will fail it :P
Jan 09 19:56:26 <CosmoHill> you sound like my friend simon
Jan 09 19:56:36 <Mat_Matan> hłehłehłe
Jan 09 19:56:38 <Mat_Matan> :]
Jan 09 19:56:39 <CosmoHill> "good luck (you're gonna fail, fail!)
Jan 09 19:57:30 <CosmoHill> "remember, the worst thing that can happen is that you wouldn't be able to answer any of the questions and you'll look like an idiot"
Jan 09 19:58:01 <lcuk> CosmoHill, this isn't final result though is it?
Jan 09 19:59:04 <CosmoHill> nope
Jan 09 19:59:06 <Bostik> I'd like to see if I can fail the Turing Test
Jan 09 19:59:13 <CosmoHill> first semester
Jan 09 19:59:35 <CosmoHill> it's 3/8th of my degree
Jan 09 19:59:38 * CosmoHill is now scared
Jan 09 19:59:55 <lcuk> Bostik, I would like to pass turing test for once
Jan 09 20:00:05 <CosmoHill> Bostik: the first thing most people get wrong is the pronunciation
Jan 09 20:00:23 <Bostik> :p
Jan 09 20:00:33 <CosmoHill> huh, bbc iplayer has just stopped playing mid way and quit
Jan 09 20:00:58 <CosmoHill> the user who's just quit is making me think of the rice pudding I've just eaten
Jan 09 20:02:18 * Mat_Matan have only 2 weeks to Spring Break
Jan 09 20:02:56 <CosmoHill> ah is that what it's called?
Jan 09 20:03:08 <CosmoHill> we call it "lecturer's leaving us for 3 weeks when we need them the most"
Jan 09 20:03:20 <CosmoHill> often shorted to "easter"
Jan 09 20:11:30 <CosmoHill> noooooooo, I have an exam on Database somrthing or other
Jan 09 20:24:51 <Jartza> hmmh
Jan 09 20:25:11 <Jartza> now finally some time to test meego on n900
Jan 09 20:32:33 <zariz> Jartza: don't hesitate to tell how it works.
Jan 09 20:32:58 <Jartza> yeah
Jan 09 20:33:11 <Jartza> as soon as I get everything backed up
Jan 09 20:33:36 <Stskeeps> 1.1 'demo' image on tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php is usually better for 'just test', the 1.1.80/1.2 images are still under development
Jan 09 20:33:40 <Jartza> although it doesn't matter that much, that n900 is broken anyway
Jan 09 20:34:16 <Jartza> Stskeeps: I'm going to test the whole application dev. cycle
Jan 09 20:34:39 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jan 09 20:34:40 <Jartza> because I have to create the course materials out of that :)
Jan 09 20:35:14 <Stskeeps> good luck - if you have any questions regarding meego on n900, feel free to ask in #meego-arm
Jan 09 20:35:21 <Stskeeps> training materials are good :)
Jan 09 20:36:55 <Stskeeps> what kind of course materials btw?
Jan 09 20:57:41 <camerooni> hiya - is anyone able to help me.. did a fresh install on my netbook of meego 1.1 netbook with chrome browser.. however a lot of sites: google/twitter etc say that the servers security certificate has been revoked!? and also trying to do a system update i get 'a security signature is not present'!? any assistance would be greatly appreciated..
Jan 09 20:57:57 <Stskeeps> camerooni: is your time set correctly?
Jan 09 20:58:48 <camerooni> i believe so.. i did a reinstall a few minutes ago and set it to 7.24 (it's now 7.54 in Melbourne, Aus)
Jan 09 20:59:02 <Stskeeps> year correctly?
Jan 09 20:59:12 <camerooni> january 7, 2011
Jan 09 20:59:17 <Stskeeps> hmm
Jan 09 20:59:20 <Stskeeps> that should work, yeah
Jan 09 21:00:00 <camerooni> going into the date & time in the system panel though and i just get a blank screen?
Jan 09 21:01:31 <camerooni> i recall before the install, when i was running direct from the usb (and the google sites/twitter in the status panel were working) that there were time/date settings similar to the one in the install process
Jan 09 21:01:44 <Stskeeps> hmm
Jan 09 21:01:51 <CosmoHill> my computer just said "oh no", literary said that, how worried should I be?
Jan 09 21:02:13 <ali1234> are you playing lemmings?
Jan 09 21:02:31 <CosmoHill> nope
Jan 09 21:02:36 <ali1234> probably worry then
Jan 09 21:02:41 <Stskeeps> i don't know too much about the netbook build, camerooni - but those errors really sound like time/date problems
Jan 09 21:03:33 <camerooni> is there a way that i could forcibly reinstall the date/time components via the command line or similar..?
Jan 09 21:03:36 <CosmoHill> camerooni: the certificate might only last 10 mins
Jan 09 21:03:48 <CosmoHill> and if your clock is 30 mins wrong it will reject it
Jan 09 21:04:06 <Mat_Matan> FFUUUU when nokia will open software shop for meego apps -.- i can't wait more
Jan 09 21:04:29 <vlj> hi
Jan 09 21:05:05 <vgrade> vlj, evening
Jan 09 21:05:12 <vlj> good evening :)
Jan 09 21:05:25 <vgrade> long time
Jan 09 21:05:27 <vlj> I saw you're working on a tegra 2 port of meego
Jan 09 21:05:30 <vgrade> what are you up to
Jan 09 21:05:30 <vlj> yup
Jan 09 21:05:53 <vlj> well, I was packaging maven 2 for opensuse
Jan 09 21:06:05 <vlj> I'm still packaging maven2 for opensuse :p
Jan 09 21:06:19 <vgrade> yes, need to get some kernel source for the tegra
Jan 09 21:06:27 <vlj> Yesterday I installed meego2
Jan 09 21:06:30 <camerooni> okay.. thanks guys. how would i ensure my clock is setup correctly.. should i just do a fresh install and ignore and time/date changes?
Jan 09 21:06:31 <vgrade> to progress meego
Jan 09 21:06:32 <vlj> meego 1.1*
Jan 09 21:06:47 <vlj> did you see the kernel source for folion 100 ?
Jan 09 21:07:06 <vlj> I worked a bit on getting ubuntu on ac100
Jan 09 21:07:27 <vlj> sources are available for ac100/folio 100 kernel
Jan 09 21:07:35 <elf_> Hello! Could help me with this problem. I installed Meego 1.1 on my tablet PC . But the Wifi does not work. Where I can download the packages who need to build the driver on the tablet PC?
Jan 09 21:08:01 <vgrade> tried the gtablet kernel but did not have much luck but that was before I got anything booting
Jan 09 21:08:07 <vlj> sadly the xorg part of tegra 2 display driver is not in a good shape
Jan 09 21:08:15 <vgrade> am im the middle of it at the momemt
Jan 09 21:08:35 <vgrade> Stskeeps has a plan
Jan 09 21:08:46 <vlj> which one ? :)
Jan 09 21:08:52 <vgrade> :)
Jan 09 21:08:57 <vlj> downgrade meego xorg to 1.5 ?
Jan 09 21:09:14 <kyb3R> elf_: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html
Jan 09 21:09:15 <vgrade> 1.6 :)
Jan 09 21:09:26 <vlj> https://github.com/tsh/folio100
Jan 09 21:09:31 <vlj> ok
Jan 09 21:10:03 <vlj> i guess there is no way to get acceleration from tegrafb to xorg
Jan 09 21:10:06 <Jartza> Stskeeps: course materials for courses I arrange to companies, meego software development
Jan 09 21:10:07 <vgrade> thanks, the ac100 stuff was a great help
Jan 09 21:10:14 <Jartza> or more likely meego application development
Jan 09 21:11:03 <elf_> <kyb3R>; I do not have Internet on a tablet. And I can not install on it rpmdevtools
Jan 09 21:11:15 <kyb3R> elf_: too bad :)
Jan 09 21:11:17 <vgrade> vlj, in getting the vega flashed initially
Jan 09 21:11:26 <vlj> ok
Jan 09 21:11:45 <vlj> btw there is no Facebook plugin on Meego 1.1 ????
Jan 09 21:12:11 <kyb3R> btw there is no Diaspora* plugin on Meego 1.1 ????
Jan 09 21:12:42 <vlj> there was no diaspora plugin on meego 1.0
Jan 09 21:12:52 <kyb3R> not that I know of
Jan 09 21:12:53 <vlj> there was a facebook plugin on Meego 1.0
Jan 09 21:12:59 <kyb3R> oh ok.
Jan 09 21:13:08 <vlj> that's why I'm asking
Jan 09 21:13:22 <vlj> it is not very common to loose features in an update
Jan 09 21:13:46 <elf_> <kyb3R>: can tell me where you can download these packages separately and transferred to a flash drive?
Jan 09 21:14:54 <kyb3R> elf_: you really can't get your device on wire? What connection you're using now?
Jan 09 21:15:49 <elf_> I am sitting on the Internet from another computer
Jan 09 21:17:06 <kyb3R> elf_: and you cant switch the wire?
Jan 09 21:18:23 <elf_> no, in the tablet is only wifi=(
Jan 09 21:18:47 <befr0d> elf_: what tablet is it? are you sure its a broadcom chipset?
Jan 09 21:20:47 <elf_> no, it is RTL8192SE . realtek chip
Jan 09 21:23:06 <befr0d> that slaine link is useless then, try http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=14140
Jan 09 21:23:30 <befr0d> but seems like you still require an internet connection
Jan 09 21:27:31 <elf_> I know where to download drivers and how to install them. I need to know where I can download make gcc kernel-netbook-devel  rpmdevtools. And then move them on flash to  the tablet pc.
Jan 09 21:34:19 <clu> .
Jan 09 21:58:33 <Venemo> how does MeeGo's compositor deal with portrait mode? all windows support portrait or a flag is needed, like on Maemo?
Jan 09 22:02:59 <Venemo> Stskeeps: any idea about this one?
Jan 09 22:26:37 <Jaffa> Venemo: It's done in the toolkit. i.e. the compositor doesn't do anything about it (IIRC)
Jan 09 22:29:42 <Venemo> thx Jaffa
Jan 09 22:41:31 * CosmoHill shouts at his computer "WHY WON'T YOU CONNECT"
Jan 09 22:43:34 <vgrade> new voice recognition sofware installed CosmoHill
Jan 09 22:53:43 <CosmoHill> kubuntu was awesome but at the moment it just seems painful
Jan 09 23:14:42 <CosmoHill> my current experience of kubuntu can be emulated by anyone with tourettes
Jan 10 01:20:37 <CosmoHill> cyas
Jan 10 01:35:00 <hlzxy> can obs  recover data? like I remove the file  in a package, can obs  recover it?
Jan 10 01:47:01 <Kgbwilf> Does meego have an rdp client?
Jan 10 02:33:33 <odin_> hlzxy, yes obs can... you can checkout a specific version of a package (which will recover the file-set committed in that version, thus potentially undeleting it from your local working copy)
Jan 10 02:34:45 <odin_> hlzxy, maybe syntax: osc checkout -r 42 PROJECT PACKAGE FILE  # is relevant
Jan 10 02:36:49 <hlzxy> odin_: ok,I will try, thanks
Jan 10 02:39:24 <hlzxy> odin_: obs seems good to manage these package if this function exist.  is it can manage meego itself with other version control system like git?
Jan 10 02:45:29 <odin_> hlzxy, the SCM system employed by the backend of OBS itself is just a single system, but I think there is some support for linkage of a package to an external git repo (for pulling sources/tarballs at least), not sure what you mean by "manage meego itself"
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