**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 10 02:59:58 2011 Jan 10 03:09:54 Anyone know if the Amino STB with MeeGo is actually for sale? Should we add it to http://wiki.meego.com/Devices ? Or not yet? Jan 10 03:27:23 Alison_Chaiken: amino don't sell individual units afaik so it will be through a reseller eg a cable company Jan 10 03:28:57 usually CPE Jan 10 03:29:15 exactly Jan 10 03:30:39 except for digital TV receivers (for connecting to TVs without digital tuners), I've never seen an STB that one can buy Jan 10 03:31:00 the TV system at the aviva stadium uses older amino IPTV units, not meego but linux Jan 10 03:31:39 moblin Jan 10 03:31:45 no, not moblin Jan 10 03:32:02 they rolled their own afaik Jan 10 03:32:04 odin_:src.rpm is so many and no structure, need i arrange them as source code structure if I want to use git to manage them Jan 10 03:32:08 unless you know better Jan 10 03:32:40 they were using Moblin before MeeGo came along Jan 10 03:32:53 I don't know if they shipped that unit or if it became the one that uses MeeGo today Jan 10 03:33:18 i didn't think their earliest units had the power to run moblin tbh Jan 10 03:33:20 I remember because Dominique came to Oslo once and he was telling me he wanted to use Graphics View, but performance sucked on the Sodaville Jan 10 03:33:24 they've always used linux though Jan 10 03:34:19 * thiago will go gamble now Jan 10 03:34:22 can't come to Vegas and not do it Jan 10 03:35:42 and the good thing of being poor is that I know when to stop :-) Jan 10 03:35:45 bbl Jan 10 03:38:23 house always wins, have fun Jan 10 03:39:05 hlzxy, you are not clear in what you are trying to do (with meego, with src.rpm's, with OBS) Jan 10 03:49:23 The point is though, the wiki page is meant to demonstrate that HW based on meego is actually shipping. I don't think it's important whether consumers can buy it as long as someone can. Jan 10 03:54:18 Alison: Meego-capable netbooks have been shipping for ages. Jan 10 03:55:12 Alison: But it is handsets and tablets everyone is eagerly waiting for, as you can run much more suitable OSes on a netbook Jan 10 04:04:24 RST38h, what you say is perfectly true. I just think it's a good idea to build an all-inclusive list of shipping products with MeeGo pre-installed on the wiki in order to show that MeeGo is real and is working. Jan 10 04:07:14 RST38h, note that no matter what the trade press and consumers may be looking for, we must also communicate to device manufacturers about MeeGo, and they care if other companies are using it. Jan 10 04:08:16 "pre-installed" is very important Jan 10 04:08:27 is anyone actually selling meego netbooks even? Jan 10 04:13:52 Alison: You really think it is a good idea to have an empty page with such a title there, for the next X months? Jan 10 04:14:23 Alison: Or maybe it is worth waiting until there is at least a few such products and THEN create a page? =)( Jan 10 04:16:25 odin_:I want to use git for source code and obs for package,. connet them :code in git must contain spec files as it can be put into obs to build ,but many source code donot contai spec files,and I want to get them from src.rpm and put its relate package as source code structure. Jan 10 04:24:36 Hi All, a quick question, does anyone know any meego device that can send/receive SMS? Jan 10 04:30:01 The N900 receives SMS afaik Jan 10 04:33:14 thanks Jan 10 05:43:44 hi Jan 10 06:03:04 morning Jan 10 06:19:36 trying to install meego on dell mini 10 and it stays stuck on a black screen Jan 10 06:20:11 anyone know why Nividia is so unfriendly when talking about Meego Jan 10 06:20:25 in which stage? Jan 10 06:21:01 hena while booting from live usb drive Jan 10 06:22:14 hena also if ii get conflicts with reserved memory 0x0000000 cant work without inteal agp module! Jan 10 06:22:23 *inetl Jan 10 06:22:27 *intel Jan 10 06:23:00 address space collision host bridge window Jan 10 06:23:53 ugh Jan 10 06:25:18 iztech: hmm? Jan 10 06:25:57 i was at ces and got pretty much the cold shoulder, intel was showing meego Jan 10 06:26:29 KGBWolf: i would suggest checking your bios setup for address setting for pci/agp Jan 10 06:28:14 iztech: well, on tegra2 side we don't support their instruction set yet (that's changing though very soon) and on gfx side there's something about licensing of graphics drivers - but i wasn't in the situation you were in so i can't explain it Jan 10 06:29:26 i was just surprised that there wasn't much about meego at the show i was in search of tegra tablet for meego Jan 10 06:30:09 iztech: :nod: meego 1.2 is really what you'd want to productize on top of Jan 10 06:30:13 nvidia is afraid of freedom :/ Jan 10 06:30:16 hena its a dell mini 1010 Jan 10 06:30:56 if anything they should be for freedom more than anything Jan 10 06:31:12 iztech: and meego ARM doesn't work on tegra right now as i said, so no surprises there weren't any tegra tablets :/ Jan 10 06:31:57 yes, that's why i went directly to nvidia to see if they were working hand in hand with meego to see what was coming up Jan 10 06:32:27 KGBWolf: i don't have first hand experience, so i'm just guessing Jan 10 06:32:42 about dell mini i mean Jan 10 06:32:49 there are no pci/agp setting on it Jan 10 06:32:57 iztech: we're talking with pretty much most all ARM vendors, so things are ongoing Jan 10 06:33:48 iztech: problem was that we screwed up regarding instruction sets back when we designed ARMv7 port, which we are fixing right now :) Jan 10 06:34:00 so what is the favored tablet as far as you guys are concerned at the moment. Jan 10 06:34:47 iztech: ok, so, in meego.com we develop a platform that vendors/community projects take and build a product on top of Jan 10 06:34:53 iztech: so there's no 'favored' tablets :) Jan 10 06:35:38 that such a buerocrastical answer :) Jan 10 06:35:45 :) Jan 10 06:35:54 -typos Jan 10 06:38:02 btw audi tegra system was impressive Jan 10 06:43:51 nokia should send me a late christmas present or something so i would have more time for this stuff... Jan 10 07:11:32 ~haveameegomeeting Jan 10 07:11:33 haveameegomeeting is probably book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Jan 10 07:42:30 some package can not build by local obs, what could do to solve it Jan 10 07:43:01 be more specific Jan 10 07:47:51 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/5hHCB9gt , these are package failed Jan 10 07:48:43 hlzxy: you're building for what arch? Jan 10 07:49:31 Stskeeps: armv7el and i586. Jan 10 07:49:57 yeah, but, is it target armv7? :P Jan 10 07:52:57 Stskeeps: most of them for armv7, a few both ,and few for only i586 Jan 10 07:56:02 Stskeps: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ ,could you tell me how these armv7l packages were created,I think there are differen from src.rpm in non-oss? Jan 10 07:57:34 you might be hitting the 'arm sources missing' problem Jan 10 08:02:47 Stskeeps: maybe,the problems seem different from each other, and how to solve the 'arm sources missing' problem? Jan 10 08:03:15 that's on our side Jan 10 08:03:20 can i see one of your failed build logs? Jan 10 08:05:58 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/CjztkLe2, this is meegotouch-controlpanel package's build log Jan 10 08:06:14 looks like a qemu problem Jan 10 08:10:46 Stskeeps: our obs is set up on a virtual machine , any affact? Jan 10 08:11:31 well, it might be that your qemu on the workers is too old Jan 10 08:12:36 Stskeeps:QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.4, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard , Jan 10 08:12:55 yeah, it would be good to get up to 0.13 :) Jan 10 08:22:36 morning \o Jan 10 08:23:35 zypper is mental Jan 10 08:26:15 is anyone using weekly snaps with n900? Jan 10 08:28:03 jj-: ping Jan 10 08:32:28 gobbe, whats up? (I knowmany people are waiting for the dailies) Jan 10 08:38:46 lcuk: i thought that is it any faster than "stable" one? Jan 10 08:39:06 would be nice to test it Jan 10 08:39:30 oh I thought you had it downloaded and were testing yourself already Jan 10 08:40:03 i heard rumour daily snap works again Jan 10 08:42:29 hena, :D thats an awesome rumour if verified Jan 10 08:43:12 hi all, as my name suggest I was enabled to get wireless recognize by meego-network-panel? some tips? Jan 10 08:44:06 nowifi, what device are you running on, and has your wifi worked previously on meego and just broken? or has it never worked Jan 10 08:45:12 lcuk: i'm new in meego but iwconfig show the correct interface Jan 10 08:46:46 nowifi: what chipset? Jan 10 08:48:13 hena: the driver is rt2860sta Jan 10 08:49:22 and lspci show just "ralink rt2860" Jan 10 08:53:29 what is connmand used here http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=11742&postcount=5 ? Jan 10 08:54:52 lcuk: i tried one snap last week, but it didn't even boot ;) Jan 10 08:55:19 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1756 Jan 10 08:58:47 hena: thanks this works! should this be reported as bugS? Jan 10 08:59:08 i believe it is already Jan 10 09:07:07 thereis any possibility to see a facebook integration? Jan 10 09:08:20 nowifi, since someone was saying it was in 1.0, perhaps you could dig and see where it went (assuming its awol) and if it can be built now Jan 10 09:09:49 * lcuk twiddles thumbs whilst lmt with xdamage builds Jan 10 09:10:21 * hena is remembering his days with gentoo Jan 10 09:10:42 at least meego doesn't take 3 days to install ;) Jan 10 09:10:47 heh Jan 10 09:11:21 seriously, this minilappie is painful when having to compile everything Jan 10 09:11:45 hena I was playing with my n810 over the weekend and timed building a library with gcc Jan 10 09:11:48 3minutes Jan 10 09:12:15 Stskeeps, (re follow up on Hildon) I know they chose a bid, and plan to announce it Jan 10 09:12:24 ah, ok Jan 10 09:12:30 Stskeeps, I have no idea what's going on with the board, for the most part Jan 10 09:12:37 i compiled mplayer for hours Jan 10 09:13:04 i don't have external help here, i bet you have who knows what obs clusters to speed you up ;) Jan 10 09:13:26 hena, is compiling random stuff like gold farming in wow Jan 10 09:14:10 haven't played wow Jan 10 09:14:18 hena, personally I prefer local builds on hardware I can see - especially for testing purposes Jan 10 09:15:25 since this meego lappie is my only machine atm i need all kinds of tools, which means a lot of compiling Jan 10 09:19:25 lcuk: sorry i don't undestand... so facebook integration was here on 1.0 and removed on later release? Jan 10 09:21:36 nowifi, someone on here mentioned yesterday Jan 10 09:22:38 what does facebook have to do with an operating system nowifi Jan 10 09:22:59 is there an app you'd like to see on meego? Jan 10 09:23:36 meego netbook has a funky integration with social media Jan 10 09:23:52 pupnik: there was a demo of how to integrate meego w/ facebook Jan 10 09:23:59 for example twitter is displayed on a tab automatically Jan 10 09:24:05 which was included w/ the meego netbook 1.0 dist Jan 10 09:24:24 it was really a demo of how the framework could be used Jan 10 09:24:33 more than an absolutely finished committed product Jan 10 09:24:41 not that users care about such distinctions Jan 10 09:25:06 ah Jan 10 09:25:23 ty Jan 10 09:27:45 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/05/hands-on-meego-for-netbooks-picks-up-where-moblin-left-off.ars has a picture of it Jan 10 09:29:17 morning timeless_mbp \o Jan 10 09:30:11 * timeless_mbp woke up @6am :( Jan 10 09:30:37 http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/rest-0.6.3/examples/test-facebook.c is amusing (but irrelevant) Jan 10 09:55:24 Stskeeps: as the system is closed,I can not do it . another question,did something relate to obs changed? I can not set up a obs as previous way. some problem appear in mysql. Jan 10 10:13:09 sorry to ask stupid questions again, but is there a channel for ivi specificly? Jan 10 10:13:53 nevermind, found the channel list Jan 10 10:14:12 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#MeeGo_IRC_Channels Jan 10 10:15:00 yeah, found it, i'm just web illiterate Jan 10 10:15:03 sorry Jan 10 10:19:49 barf, 740 packages to update... Jan 10 10:20:03 just yesteraday updated 720 packages Jan 10 10:20:30 are you following daily or something equally insane? Jan 10 10:20:30 and of course the repos are still broken Jan 10 10:20:32 :P Jan 10 10:20:59 just added testing to my repos, otherwise quite the default Jan 10 10:21:04 but something is really wrong Jan 10 10:21:35 i have serious mismatch of package versions and whole lot of broken packages and now this doesn't work at all anymore Jan 10 10:22:29 seems like testing isn't working at all Jan 10 10:25:54 hah, trying to start the gui system update crashes immediately, also the software catalogs Jan 10 10:34:09 at least there's one definite upside on zypper versus apt Jan 10 10:34:13 the key management Jan 10 10:39:44 Stskeeps: the wiki is quite lacking on the ivi part Jan 10 10:40:08 you know if there's someone i could contact about it? Jan 10 10:40:14 meego-ivi mailing list? Jan 10 10:45:53 crap, the hardware requirements for ivi are certainly not encouraging. :/ Jan 10 10:47:09 hena: requires new car? Jan 10 10:47:26 * timeless_mbp wonders how much a car runs these days Jan 10 10:48:13 well, i'm building my own meego ivi system for my project car Jan 10 10:48:53 but wouldn't wanna hugely differ from the mainstream Jan 10 10:51:00 and having intel proprietary software in it is quite a downer Jan 10 10:52:03 hena: eh Jan 10 10:52:04 ? Jan 10 10:52:12 hena: could be worse Jan 10 10:52:44 hena: are you using meego with n900? Jan 10 10:53:11 sometimes, don't really have time to play with it as much as i would like to Jan 10 10:53:21 more into netbook and ivi Jan 10 10:54:17 Stskeeps: http://meego.com/devices/in-vehicle/in-vehicle-faq#q7 Jan 10 10:54:46 hena, yeah for the specific car tie-ins it seems overwhelming Jan 10 10:54:58 i got my meego-netbook back from acer, they replaced whole motherboard because i broke bios with update :-D Jan 10 10:55:09 well that's a downer, someone has reported a post on the forums, but I can't do anything about it Jan 10 10:55:12 but there is hope that IVI development can occur on regular hw Jan 10 10:55:17 oh. Jan 10 10:55:20 I wasn't logged in. Jan 10 10:55:22 nevermind. Jan 10 10:55:25 lol Myrtti Jan 10 10:55:33 Myrtti, did you like my weekend facepalm btw? :D Jan 10 10:55:52 lcuk: which one was that? I've been enjoying Berlin sightseeing this weekend Jan 10 10:57:06 i would like to build my own hw for it, but it seems pointless if nobody else will care about it or cannot affect the main ivi process Jan 10 10:57:09 seems so vain Jan 10 10:57:40 Myrtti, missing day Jan 10 10:57:42 hena: actually it seems to me that IVI is one of the more open ones Jan 10 10:59:00 hena: well, not you have time for that ;) Jan 10 10:59:21 Stskeeps, also in a similar way to the tv stuff, expecting to interface with custom hardware seems to be high on priorities Jan 10 11:00:03 * Myrtti takes a deep breath and starts to do some magic. Jan 10 11:00:50 * lcuk stands back Jan 10 11:01:33 .... qmake && make -j4 *urgh* Jan 10 11:01:54 ooooo, a pet pidgeon Jan 10 11:04:14 hey, guys, I have sync'ed the whole meego repository, and want to create a customized OS, but I can't find the toplevel Makefile Jan 10 11:04:19 or any other build utils Jan 10 11:04:34 I known there is a build system called OBS Jan 10 11:07:33 I also found there is a image creation page at wiki.meego.com, it just says how to build a kernel, and download source from srpm repo to create a OS image Jan 10 11:18:43 aries: you can generate images using the 'mic2' tool Jan 10 11:19:11 yes, I know how to generate image using mic2 and the .ks file Jan 10 11:19:27 http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Jan 10 11:20:58 thx Jan 10 11:27:21 urgh, congatec ivi starterkit 2500$ + tax + shipping Jan 10 11:28:39 hena, to be fair, that does include a car too :P Jan 10 11:32:22 lcuk: that includes a car? wow Jan 10 11:32:37 should at least ;) Jan 10 11:32:46 The conga-IVI kit comes complete with all necessary cables as well as a 7” LVDS touch panel with a resolution of 800x480 pixels, suitable for vehicles. Also included are a 12V power chord, a Slimline DVD drive, a 4 GByte flash drive, a USB GPS receiver, a WLAN card and all necessary antennae. Jan 10 11:33:33 with $2500 + tax + shipping i sense a tad of air in that price Jan 10 11:33:47 timeless_mbp, the :P may indicate otherwise Jan 10 11:34:05 does not! :P Jan 10 11:34:30 hena, are u going to connect it to can/obd? Jan 10 11:34:45 freeems Jan 10 11:35:07 hena: people want to use beagle for IVI as well Jan 10 11:35:20 beagle doesn't include a display Jan 10 11:35:32 http://www.the-electronics-genie.co.uk/geniestore/index.php/7-inch-2-din-hd-lvds-screen-technology-car-multimedia-player-with-sirf-prima-gps-dual-core-cpu-10gb-memory-drag-n-drop-icons-fm-radio-ebook-reader.html is 340GBP Jan 10 11:35:39 (7" LVDS display) Jan 10 11:36:25 hena, ohhh, very nice, put up some blog :) Jan 10 11:36:44 when i get something done, sure :) Jan 10 13:56:25 Hey Jan 10 13:56:37 I have a little question if that is ok.. Jan 10 13:57:20 ask away Jan 10 13:57:43 who is away? Jan 10 13:57:56 Are MeeGo currently just for developers? Jan 10 13:57:59 anaZ: most of the people in this channel Jan 10 13:58:00 mr Small Jan 10 13:58:10 CosmoHill: heh Jan 10 13:58:14 yeah, now it makes sense Jan 10 13:58:46 n0rd: netbook is fairly usable but the idea is for vendors to make a product using the platform and make a proper end user experience that way Jan 10 13:59:18 I'm not a developer, but i must say i really love Moblin, and i want to try MeeGo. Jan 10 13:59:24 Ah, I see! Jan 10 14:00:06 Moblin is not longer updatet recently, or am I completly wrong now? Jan 10 14:02:57 afaik it is not Jan 10 14:03:13 anaZ: -x86 packages are funny, they pick up the version from the package they're wrapping (such as bash picking up 4.0) - is it bad form to just write "1.0" for the -x86 changelogs? Jan 10 14:03:25 in version field of the meego changelog format Jan 10 14:03:38 Ok :) Jan 10 14:05:21 Ty for helping me! Jan 10 14:47:13 hi all Jan 10 14:47:50 could anybody give me support about touch support in meego 1.1? Jan 10 14:48:24 1.1 has touch support if you happen to have the right hardware Jan 10 14:51:04 * lcuk downloads new pinetrail handset image for his ideapad Jan 10 15:42:52 ok so i followed the instructions on wiki and downloaded the sdk and make qeum runtime and this is the error i get Jan 10 15:43:04 Extracting QEMU runtime meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime Jan 10 15:43:04 .....9....8....7....6....5....4....3....2....1....0 Jan 10 15:43:04 Creating missing links... done. Jan 10 15:43:04 /bin/ln: accessing `/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/tools/qemu-meego/bin/qemu-system-*': No such file or directory Jan 10 15:43:04 Cannot find qemu-meego binary Jan 10 15:43:10 bug?? Jan 10 16:20:58 hi, is there a reason for mic running particulary slow today? it takes ages (literally: 40 secs) between mic attempting to download next xml from repository. any ideas? Jan 10 16:22:01 seems like repo "turnaround" has been slow for a number of days now, at least for me Jan 10 16:22:11 nazgee: kernel.org has issues afaik Jan 10 16:22:56 thx mwichmann, Stskeeps. it seems I need more coffe Jan 10 16:28:20 mm coffee Jan 10 16:31:57 hi all Jan 10 16:32:19 hi AllanPoe Jan 10 17:33:40 now that news about broadcom announced on lf stuff, can we actually get broadcom drivers in amongst the meego builds without it being a binary blob? Jan 10 17:42:00 lcuk, link? Jan 10 17:42:12 lcuk, I mean, URL? Jan 10 17:42:50 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/215919/broadcom_joins_the_linux_foundation.html Jan 10 17:42:52 happily Jan 10 17:43:28 it hopefully means the usb key we were offered for install at the meegoconf (with red mark) can be hopefully done without worry Jan 10 17:54:37 Possibly stupid question - any way to use the MeeGo SDK with Ubuntu 64-bit? Jan 10 17:57:07 uh, I have ubuntu 64-bit and encountered no problems Jan 10 17:57:16 not using qemu, though Jan 10 17:58:15 Hq`, Ah, ok. I assumed that using QEMU wouldn't be tricky, it's virtualization after all. Where/how did you get the SDK downloaded? The apt method doesn't seem to work for 64-bit. Jan 10 17:59:57 hmm, that's how I installed it if I remember correctly :) Jan 10 18:00:12 Harrumph. Jan 10 18:00:45 So I can see the Release file in the repo, but not the Packages list, which made me suspect it's probably looking for a 64-bit repo and not finding one. Jan 10 18:03:23 maybe it's a temporary problem with the repos Jan 10 18:03:27 just a guess Jan 10 18:04:51 Hq`, Could be, I suppose. I'll poke about a bit. And then give up for the evening. Jan 10 18:06:25 Hq`, Or, maybe I'll notice the typo I made in my sources list. Who knows. Jan 10 18:13:44 :) Jan 10 18:48:58 qgil, great to see broadcom onboard! Jan 10 18:50:04 lcuk: onboard of the Linux Foundation, but I bet this will help them getting closer to MeeGo Jan 10 18:50:55 indeed and if we can remove/santion the driver for distribution thats another positive step Jan 10 18:51:44 qgil, did you manage to get meego handset running on your wetab? Jan 10 18:51:52 or are the instructions still a bit over the top? Jan 10 18:52:09 * lcuk got confused when I looked Jan 10 18:52:29 lcuk: since Alison_Chaiken is few steps away I can save the effort :) Jan 10 18:52:45 lcuk, I am trying to get MeeGo running on WeTab: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet Jan 10 18:52:46 :D awesome Jan 10 18:54:31 I need to get the hid_egalax driver for touchscreen and ath9k driver for WiFi. If anyone has advice about how to compile them beyond the obvious, please speak up! Jan 10 18:55:05 Alison_Chaiken: got a community OBS account? Jan 10 18:55:16 and what do you mean by 'the obvious' :) Jan 10 18:55:30 Alison_Chaiken, we had same resolution problems as you have noticed in (2) Jan 10 18:55:42 and yes, its a configuration option, I will try and find out where it is Jan 10 18:55:49 I thought it was noted on the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops page Jan 10 18:55:52 but its not.. Jan 10 18:57:34 Stskeeps, I don't have an OBS account. Would you recommend using OBS for compiling these drivers? By "obvious," I meant downloading kernel source, applying patch, and cross-compiling kernel and driver to copy from dev system to WeTab. Other suggestions welcome! Jan 10 18:59:21 Alison_Chaiken, the driver should end up in the normal system shouldn't it? or will the wetab need its own differentiation kernel (similar to n900 and such) ? Jan 10 18:59:24 Alison_Chaiken: so, if i was in your situation, i would get a community obs account and import the source package of the pinetrail kernel. then i would edit the config-* files, adding the right configuration options to enable ath9k and egalax (is in upstream kernel afaik) Jan 10 18:59:33 Alison_Chaiken: and commit the changes and obs makes you a pretty rpm package to install :) Jan 10 18:59:42 lcuk, presumably there's not a good solution to displaying handset-image graphics on a larger display: either the graphics can be small, or they can be pixelated, user's choice! I'll try and make a script to switch between "small" and "ugly" settings. Jan 10 19:00:21 Alison_Chaiken, its not just bodily scaled up, it uses layouts afaik, so perhaps some of the icons are a tad larger Jan 10 19:00:28 but on the whole the ui should fill the screen Jan 10 19:01:12 Stskeeps, using the procedure you suggest, I could install both the drivers and the patched kernel in one go with a single rpm? Cool, I need to learn OBS anyway. Jan 10 19:01:22 Stskeeps, do you think the quick notes you mentioned would be good for "new devices and kernel configuration" information pages? Jan 10 19:01:40 we really need to improve the porting guide Jan 10 19:01:40 :P Jan 10 19:01:44 yeah Jan 10 19:01:45 lcuk, if you have advice (e.g. URL) about graphics scaling on MeeGo, speak now please. Jan 10 19:02:11 Alison_Chaiken: which one of them, the UI not filling whole screen, or the graphics scaling badly? Jan 10 19:02:15 Alison_Chaiken, first thing is to configure meego to use whole display, then let apps themselves sort themselves out Jan 10 19:02:21 its qt - the apps should just work Jan 10 19:02:23 :) Jan 10 19:03:00 Very good then. First I will work on the OBS compilation of the drivers, and then when I am completely stuck, I will switch to the graphics scaling! Jan 10 19:03:32 well I will find the place I configured handset to use 1024*600 :) Jan 10 19:03:41 devices.conf ? Jan 10 19:03:46 fiferboy, can you remember where it needs configurating Jan 10 19:03:49 probably Jan 10 19:03:50 or at least there used to be such a creature Jan 10 19:03:55 but my head is blank this evening Jan 10 19:04:17 I was just going to use xrandr in a bash script, as it knows all about display settings. Jan 10 19:04:28 lcuk: I had most success in changing one of the confs (slate.conf) and setting that Jan 10 19:04:41 The gconf worked for me, but some people didn't have success Jan 10 19:04:50 Hold on, let me find the wiki article Jan 10 19:05:16 yeah fiferboy, once we find it, I will make sure to update changing_desktops page Jan 10 19:05:33 somehow we forgot when it was first mentioned Jan 10 19:05:55 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Jan 10 19:06:10 Alison_Chaiken, xrandr would be stretching without actually telling the apps they are using a larger screen Jan 10 19:06:15 :) the proper way works better Jan 10 19:06:23 lcuk: Are you looking for the conf file to edit? Jan 10 19:06:29 fiferboy, yeah Jan 10 19:06:35 that gconf didn't work on mine Jan 10 19:07:36 lcuk, Qt apps don't read X config settings when they start? They read gconf settings instead? Jan 10 19:07:54 lcuk: /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/Default.conf Jan 10 19:08:01 Change the resolution at the top of the file (make x=1024 and y=600) Jan 10 19:08:01 Alison_Chaiken, this is not per application setting Jan 10 19:08:12 this is the desktop/wm itself that uses it afaik Jan 10 19:08:18 Thanks fiferboy, that's useful Jan 10 19:08:35 Alison_Chaiken: No proble Jan 10 19:08:36 m Jan 10 19:08:58 well thats not the one I changed either Jan 10 19:09:00 That's is how I originally did it and it worked fine, but it is kind of hackish Jan 10 19:09:06 cos on my ieapad thats still set to 800 Jan 10 19:09:49 there was a conf which had a whole set of similar values like that Jan 10 19:09:55 * lcuk reviews logs Jan 10 19:10:42 lcuk: Seems like there are many different ways to do it Jan 10 19:10:46 fiferboy /etc/meegotouch/devices.conf Jan 10 19:10:51 lcuk: Did you create a new target and assign it? Jan 10 19:10:56 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-12-07.log.html#t2010-12-07T18:40:47 Jan 10 19:10:57 ;) Jan 10 19:11:03 i asked you a while ago lol Jan 10 19:11:53 ok I will update the info into the changing_desktop now and leave all possible ones there and ask people to confirm which works for them :) Jan 10 19:12:39 Yeah, that is the very first way I saw but it didn't work for me Jan 10 19:15:06 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad Jan 10 19:15:12 ok fiferboy thanks, have updated Jan 10 19:15:30 Alison_Chaiken, when you are in position to check, perhaps you can try one of those and see how it works for you Jan 10 19:15:55 lcuk: It is good to have all the options in one place Jan 10 19:16:04 yeah Jan 10 19:16:05 :) Jan 10 19:16:12 oh hai LinuxCode \o Jan 10 19:16:31 hey mate Jan 10 19:16:35 finally ordered my N900, and guess what, it got stolen Jan 10 19:16:37 lol Jan 10 19:16:39 Will do. First I would like to get WiFi working, as that will make the rest much less painful! Jan 10 19:16:41 at the retailers Jan 10 19:16:44 o_O Jan 10 19:16:55 yeah Alison_Chaiken understandable Jan 10 19:16:55 I have assurances they will sort it out Jan 10 19:16:59 LinuxCode: hopefully you don't have to pay for that :P Jan 10 19:17:07 Stskeeps, no chance Jan 10 19:17:15 breach of contract Jan 10 19:17:57 we will see, called police on Friday, two hours after I received the parcel Jan 10 19:18:35 hm they delivered it, then it got nicked? Jan 10 19:18:51 isn't that actually your responsability then? or did they leave it in wrong place? Jan 10 19:20:43 no, they knicked the phone,battery and cleaning cloth, packed it up, and shipped it Jan 10 19:21:03 box DPD delivered was untampered Jan 10 19:21:11 so its def at their end Jan 10 19:21:42 eek Jan 10 19:21:46 box of cables....£299, bargain! Jan 10 19:21:57 *sarcasm* Jan 10 19:22:10 hows meego coming along ? Jan 10 19:22:29 cant wait to put it on a micro sd Jan 10 19:22:59 forward Jan 10 19:23:40 bollocks Jan 10 19:23:54 petrol has gone up 10p / litre since I last topped up Jan 10 19:25:10 sarcastically: its gone up about 50p since I last topped up Jan 10 19:25:24 CosmoHill: they know you're going somewhere Jan 10 19:25:39 What you get for taxing it so much. :P Jan 10 19:35:20 GAN900: What do you have against taxation without representation? Jan 10 19:39:58 lbt, may I please have a community OBS account? I have been good all day so far, although I did drink a chocolate milk that my dietary advisor might oppose. Jan 10 19:40:43 fiferboy, nothing when I'm not a citizen there. :D Jan 10 19:40:55 Mostly it just keeps me entertained. Jan 10 19:41:12 GAN900: Pardon? Jan 10 19:41:42 fiferboy, don't have anything against taxation without representation when I don't live there. ;) Jan 10 19:42:23 GAN900: Sorry, I didn't quite catch it the first time :) Jan 10 19:42:41 But I haven't had trouble understanding Americans before Jan 10 19:43:05 "Morning" Jan 10 19:43:12 fiferboy: "What?" Jan 10 19:43:30 I was truly at my best Jan 10 19:52:20 Hey X-Fade, any chance I could please have a community OBS account associated with my "alison" meego.com account? I promise not to use it to build a MeeGo image with a Britney Spears skin. Jan 10 19:53:03 you might have to up it a bit and state you'll make a Hello Kitty skin for netbook if you won't get one Jan 10 19:53:06 :P Jan 10 19:53:50 generally what you need to answer is "what do you intend to use it for and is it open source", as it's a bit of a beta service without too much ability for load/policies in place Jan 10 19:56:07 what gnupg does meego come with ? Jan 10 19:56:26 * LinuxCode is wondering if the gpg2 cards work with the version on meego Jan 10 20:20:36 Stskeeps, I wish to use OBS to build a better handset image for the WeTab using (I think) only packages which are already in the repos. I don't actually know if the ath9k driver that I want to use is all open-source, but I'll do the best I can. And if I don't get an account, I will create a Sarah-Palin-themed version of MeeGo. Jan 10 20:20:56 ath9k's all oss Jan 10 20:20:57 :) Jan 10 20:21:02 http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k Jan 10 20:21:32 and giving your meego.com username is next step Jan 10 20:22:29 "alison" unsurprisingly is my meego.com username. My astrological sign is Taurus. Jan 10 20:22:45 hehe Jan 10 20:24:51 Do create a Sarah-Palin-themed version of Meego, run it on a shotgun! Jan 10 20:44:52 The WeTab looks quite interesting - I didn't realise those things ran MeeGo. Jan 10 21:00:29 Hi All, Need a help .. I built my own kernel RPM package and replaced in the local cache repository .. But during image creation ( using .ks file ) , local package not refered instead of that image creation tool downloads package from remote repository .. Can any help how to resolve this issue .. Do we need to add some extra parameter in .ks file. Jan 10 21:01:16 haroun: look into "createrepo" and add your own repository with 'repo' and file:/// Jan 10 21:01:22 in .ks Jan 10 21:01:33 don't place anything in cache :) Jan 10 21:02:07 stskeeps : thanks .. I will try with createrepo utility Jan 10 21:02:22 haroun, another thing is that it will always pick up the highest version by default (I tried mucking with --cost to get around that but haven't been successful) Jan 10 21:02:40 you can get around it by adding the exact version.i.e. package-N.N-N.N Jan 10 21:02:41 --excludepkgs is a nice tool :) Jan 10 21:02:58 now that it supports multiple packages Jan 10 21:03:24 dwd_, the WeTab has an ARM architecture that is MeeGo-compatible but the stock images provide only very limited functionality, a deficiency I am working to correct. Jan 10 21:03:48 \o/ Jan 10 21:04:15 Alison_Chaiken: actually, wetab's atom Jan 10 21:04:28 Alison_Chaiken, Limited as in...? I mean, will it do WiFi, and will it do 3G? Jan 10 21:04:39 Stskeeps, Alison's fixing that with a software patch. Jan 10 21:04:47 hehe Jan 10 21:05:06 Oh yeah, Stskeeps, I was thinking Intel but my brain came out with ARM. No wonder my programming is slow. Jan 10 21:05:16 Alison_Chaiken: no, it means you think in the right way ;) Jan 10 21:06:07 dwd_, didn't try the 3G yet but lsmod on the WeTab doesn't show too many drivers. No telling since I installed a handset image though. I should try it with a SIM. Jan 10 21:07:34 Alison_Chaiken: the kernel that wetab OS uses is published at http://update.tiitoo.com/source/packages/ by the way (sources) Jan 10 21:09:51 lbt: ping? Jan 10 21:10:09 qgil_: he's still MIA Jan 10 21:10:38 lardman: but logged in, thanks! Jan 10 21:10:53 true Jan 10 21:10:59 ~seen lbt Jan 10 21:11:04 lbt is currently on #maemo (3h 36m 16s) #meego (3h 36m 16s), last said: 'we should define some of those in MeeGo'. Jan 10 21:11:20 oh, not so MIA then, I take it all back :) Jan 10 21:11:28 MIF, rather Jan 10 21:11:38 "missing in finland", according to his IP's earlier Jan 10 21:11:38 :P Jan 10 21:11:52 :) Jan 10 21:13:22 lardman, infobot is a bit off there Jan 10 21:13:56 the last message isn't coming up in history Jan 10 21:14:08 * lcuk gets confused by cross channel lookups Jan 10 21:14:29 he's not the only one ;) Jan 10 21:14:45 that message was last said a week ago Jan 10 21:14:48 ;) Jan 10 21:27:37 Stskeeps: "Warning: can't get file:///home/haroun/Meego/IMAGE_CREATOR/image-creator/LOCAL_RPMS/RPMS/repodata/repomd.xml.key" ... is this warning is OK ???? Jan 10 21:28:50 haroun, there are a number of bugs relating to repomd.xml.key Jan 10 21:28:51 http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=repomd.xml.key Jan 10 21:29:39 specifically 3986 which is marked medium/critical/reopened Jan 10 21:29:44 bug 3986 Jan 10 21:29:48 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 cri, Medium, ---, anas.nashif, REOP, File 'repomd.xml' from repository Core Repository' is signed with an unknown key Jan 10 21:30:37 in my eyes haroun, no its no t ok, but as long as you can confirm your repository is infact from meego.com servers etc Jan 10 21:30:43 its not end of the world. Jan 10 21:31:36 "Metadata files of all handset repositories are signed with proper key to prevent the warning from being prompted when retrieving. " (!) Jan 10 21:31:50 Surely that's not the actual purpose of the signing, strictly speaking. Jan 10 21:34:06 dwd_, cause and effect Jan 10 21:34:20 sign the repositories correctly and the noise about invalid certificates stops Jan 10 21:36:48 haroun: yes Jan 10 21:39:21 lcuk and Stakeeps .. thanks for your comments ... I will look into this .. Jan 10 21:39:27 \o Jan 10 21:39:37 how does one sign a repository ? Jan 10 21:56:47 Has anyone tried putting MeeGo on one of the cheap Android tablets? Jan 10 21:58:18 dwd_, MeeGo on iPad! (Not an accomplishment, but a daydream.) Jan 10 21:58:40 i'm more looking forward to seeing what will happen now that the tegra2 hacking crowd can come along Jan 10 21:58:54 cos of the hardfp port supporting marvell and nvidia tegra2 chips Jan 10 21:59:23 Just hunting about, you see, and I noticed that there's a lot of ARM9/ARM11 tablets for a fraction of the cost of a WePad. Jan 10 21:59:47 yeah, but you need at least cortex-a8 or armv7-a for meego :) Jan 10 22:00:04 bbl Jan 10 22:02:46 dwd_: While cheap they don't seem to be overly well endowed with hw mostly Jan 10 22:16:30 hmm, on the community obs, what does "blocked: source update running" mean? as this is a package that afaik hasn't had anything changed for well over a month... Jan 10 22:46:16 * lbt notices his hilights... Jan 10 22:46:49 qgil_: politeness pong .... but I'm about to go to sleep :) Jan 10 22:49:52 lbt: sweet dreams, I'll ping you tomorrow Jan 10 22:49:59 :) Jan 10 22:50:08 :)) Jan 10 22:50:44 FYI ... vacation over so fresh and ready for some action ;) Jan 10 22:51:05 (after some snoozing!) .... 'night Jan 10 22:51:11 night lbt Jan 10 22:51:11 qgil_: what's the best time to catch mrshaver on IRC? Jan 10 22:51:41 He is in Portland / PST, but less sure about IRC Jan 10 22:52:24 ok. I just don't want him taking my replies on bugzilla like I'm trying to be annoying on purpose :o) Jan 10 22:52:42 dsample: It's not easy to annoy him - I can tell :) Jan 10 22:52:56 fantastic, I'll try harder next time then ;) Jan 10 22:54:25 qgil_: I'm heading the development of our company's development platform, and I'm trying to use the MeeGo community as a 'good example', but it's sometimes hard when we're talking about site navigation Jan 10 22:54:58 I end up going back to the Maemo site, or having to find some other examples around the web Jan 10 22:55:06 dsample: funny, you catch me drawing a pencil mockup for http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content :) Jan 10 22:55:47 when you say pencil, do you mean Pencil, or pencil and paper? :) Jan 10 22:57:13 dsample: pencil and paper Jan 10 22:58:13 talking of pen and paper, we were just in a restaurant where table cloths were replaced with brown paper and they had a pot of crayons for each table too. Jan 10 22:58:23 and incidentally, we discussed the Sunnyvale Nokia office. Jan 10 22:58:46 Myrtti: cool - sitting (t)here right now Jan 10 23:00:03 Not sure yet, but there's a possibility we could be in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara for a year, depending on what other option gets the most votes Jan 10 23:00:31 oh yes, news. Hell froze over today and I installed (BY COMPILING AND MAKE INSTALLING1111!!!) qtcreator today. Jan 10 23:00:34 I feel like a winner Jan 10 23:01:13 fun times ahead Jan 10 23:02:38 documentation monkey turns into a coder... so far it looks like a distant dream Jan 10 23:04:08 Myrtti, be careful or you'll make the universe implode. Jan 10 23:04:24 hi gqil_ Jan 10 23:05:00 GAN900: inorite? Jan 10 23:05:38 hi qgil_ Jan 10 23:06:02 hi vgrade Jan 10 23:06:11 coding is documenting Jan 10 23:06:20 progress on the wetab Jan 10 23:06:27 Ans5i: only if you use comments Jan 10 23:07:08 my code *documents* itself :) Jan 10 23:07:40 qgil, 16 degrees in koln yesterday, bit of a change from my last visit Jan 10 23:08:00 hello all :) Jan 10 23:13:54 vgrade: 16? that was the temperature in the Kneipe when I was there ;) Jan 10 23:26:39 Myrtti, at Bell Labs the napkins in the cafeteria had a grid for graphing printed on them back in the day. Nowadays an empty UML model would be better. Jan 10 23:27:39 Alison_Chaiken: http://www.uistencils.com/collections/frontpage Jan 10 23:29:03 Myrtti, perfect! It would be cool if we could get Nokia caf to actually use those on napkins. Jan 10 23:30:48 Alison_Chaiken: you know, it would help if there was a stencil for Nokia products... erhm. Jan 10 23:31:06 maybe someone here can help me, since Meego Live did work from SD card. My current kernel fails to find /dev/sdc2, where root resides.. Jan 10 23:31:14 anyway, it's way way late in Berlin, so nitenite and toodeloo Jan 10 23:32:02 Any idea? I'm loading grub from /dev/sda1 - but I'm getting Kernel panics trying to boot root=/dev/sdc2 - it can't find them (eeePC 901) it finds the two SSDs on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb just fine though. Jan 10 23:32:25 I'd guess it's some kernel problem here. But I put most MMC/SD related stuff builtin already and usb-storage as well. Jan 10 23:33:03 So.. I'm asking maybe I'm missing out on something? Jan 10 23:34:31 qgil, before the pub, I was a lot colder drinking Glhwein in the Christkindlmarkt Jan 10 23:34:32 Moo, Myrtti, how is life this year? Jan 10 23:34:45 RST38h: surprisinly not with a flu Jan 10 23:34:56 Myrtti, we should use the Qt widgets: awesome! I'm going to make an official request of the Qt marketers. Jan 10 23:35:19 The flu is just waiting for the moment where it can do the most damage! =) Jan 10 23:35:26 anyway, srsly sweeties, I need my beauty sleepses Jan 10 23:38:06 Alison_Chaiken: I'm in the Sunnyvale office now Jan 10 23:39:05 thiago, if you will be around next weekend, come to my Mountain View party benefitting Linux Foundation and featuring beer, candy and MeeGo. Jan 10 23:39:21 no, I'll be at home Jan 10 23:39:58 thiago, I sent an email to Chuck P. and Tom M. about Qt stencils. Jan 10 23:41:02 chuck is probably tired after driving from las vegas Jan 10 23:41:29 they set off at about 17:00 yesterday Jan 10 23:44:13 dsample: as promised http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11513#c5 Jan 10 23:44:45 dsample: or the same mockup, in context: http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content Jan 10 23:48:18 you're a hero qgil_ Jan 10 23:48:28 for people like me Jan 10 23:49:29 these nokia employees who are just doing it for the money Jan 10 23:49:45 well... they are ... useful Jan 11 00:03:22 pupnik, your ability to read the minds of Nokia employees is remarkable. What motivates dogs and Eskimos and algal life forms? ;-) Jan 11 00:04:28 Alison_Chaiken: it's the nature of large organisations Jan 11 00:04:34 nokia is like a government Jan 11 00:06:57 would meego be like the UK government? Jan 11 00:07:03 who's tony and who's lib dem? Jan 11 00:07:26 tory* Jan 11 00:07:30 pupnik: I recommend the excellent BB King song "Nobody Loves My But My Mother" Jan 11 00:09:30 ok Jan 11 00:10:38 pupnik:Man, you are being too deep =) Jan 11 00:11:37 * ljp doesn't think there are any Nokia employees doing it just for the money... Jan 11 00:16:15 hey you know what Jan 11 00:16:35 the us govt is going to try to reintroduce the 'alien and sedition act of 1917" Jan 11 00:16:52 people who criticize them will go to jail lol barbeque Jan 11 00:17:10 fuck it all. go farm Jan 11 00:17:44 coool Jan 11 00:19:15 yeah farming is cool, and so are barbeques Jan 11 00:19:32 and you'll have a job if you work for the military Jan 11 00:23:58 if youre scared of being murdered... here's a PROTIP. You're going to DIE anyway... Jan 11 00:25:30 so don't be scared... Jan 11 00:26:58 hi all Jan 11 00:30:35 pupnik: if you're gonna die, die fighting Jan 11 00:35:09 Hello Jan 11 00:35:22 hi Jan 11 00:35:56 I have this effect on people :( Jan 11 00:37:56 Just kidding! ;) Jan 11 00:40:35 O.o Jan 11 00:40:42 hey CosmoHill me and my friends made the first 3d accelerated game Jan 11 00:40:53 and we used redbook audio Jan 11 00:40:59 for my soundtracks Jan 11 00:41:12 and intel distributed my music with every retail MMX cpu Jan 11 00:42:03 this was when 3d was new Jan 11 00:43:33 was it around the time I started school? Jan 11 00:43:43 1994 Jan 11 00:43:50 wow, it is Jan 11 00:44:35 w00t, thats from before i had my first computer Jan 11 00:44:39 which was 95 Jan 11 00:44:43 good times Jan 11 00:44:55 diabol: are you excited or are you talking to w00t_ ? Jan 11 00:45:05 i am excited xD Jan 11 00:45:27 intentionally missing the underscore there Jan 11 00:47:17 other people made better music Jan 11 00:47:36 pupnik: kudos btw Jan 11 00:47:41 ty Jan 11 00:47:58 to give you an idea, in 1994 I couldn't ride a biike Jan 11 00:48:34 if you can get the money - buy some vmps speakers from brian cheney Jan 11 00:48:54 I'm happy with what I have Jan 11 00:49:09 yeah cheaper speakcers are pretty good now Jan 11 00:49:23 you're assuming I have cheap speakers :p Jan 11 00:49:52 [00:30] Hello Jan 11 00:49:52 [00:31] hi Jan 11 00:49:52 [00:31] * StefanB7 (5ae98017@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.233.128.23) has left #meego Jan 11 00:49:52 [00:31] I have this effect on people :( Jan 11 00:50:01 oh firefox you shit, copy when I tell you to! Jan 11 00:50:15 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/amp/DSC_0198.JPG Jan 11 00:51:38 well speakers are 1/2 Jan 11 00:51:51 the other 1/2 is the room you build around them Jan 11 00:52:14 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/battlestation-lcuk.jpg Jan 11 00:52:27 it;'s my bedroom so things are limited Jan 11 00:52:37 infact I can't really do anything with my room Jan 11 00:53:05 OMG he has got Macs all over the place Jan 11 00:55:49 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=15776&postcount=18 Jan 11 01:05:19 btw, is there a halfway reliable way to run meego in say, qemu or alike? Jan 11 01:05:22 vgrade: *makes noise of acknowledgement* Jan 11 01:11:09 diabol: yes Jan 11 01:11:52 is it in the wiki? Jan 11 01:12:18 diabol: yes Jan 11 01:13:23 cyas Jan 11 01:14:09 mortenmj: thanks. thats all i need to know :D Jan 11 01:14:50 CosmoHill, you are the Cambridge man, hope so see you there :) Jan 11 01:14:52 is there a way to use the mad toolkit for both meego and maemo simultaneously? Jan 11 01:14:59 I noticed targets for meego only Jan 11 01:15:08 and outdated maemo targets **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 11 02:59:58 2011