**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 11 02:59:58 2011 Jan 11 05:19:44 morning Jan 11 08:26:48 * lcuk turns the lights on in the channel Jan 11 08:31:47 lcuk, I was warming up the coffee pot Jan 11 08:31:53 it's ready now Jan 11 08:31:57 thats certainly a good idea Jan 11 08:32:24 I pondering having a run over the glossary Jan 11 08:32:26 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary Jan 11 08:32:50 it seems a bit bare in places Jan 11 08:33:25 starting with A, we have "ATM" Jan 11 08:33:33 I am going to add "ARM" first :) Jan 11 08:36:09 * lcuk ponders adding http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture too Jan 11 08:38:55 so the glossary for "A" now contains Architecture, ARM and ATM Jan 11 08:39:08 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#A Jan 11 08:39:28 if anyone can think of others, speak up or edit now so that we can get it filled up :) Jan 11 08:40:08 * lcuk moves onto B Jan 11 08:40:16 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#B Jan 11 08:40:41 since I know we have people in #meego-arm working on beagle-boards, I shall add that Jan 11 08:43:27 another one I hear mentioned is BOSS Jan 11 08:43:31 * lcuk adds that Jan 11 08:45:48 I would add broadcom into there too Jan 11 08:45:57 but I cant find all the pages about it Jan 11 08:46:28 broadcom is a company Jan 11 08:46:28 it seems the glossary has no "C" entries at the moment Jan 11 08:46:37 Stskeeps, sure but its also a topic that comes up Jan 11 08:48:12 I wonder whether we need Compliance in the glossary Jan 11 08:48:18 probably Jan 11 08:49:32 hey? Jan 11 08:49:40 what's the sudden rush to verify bugs? Jan 11 08:49:57 or who let the [bug-hounds^W]dogs out? Jan 11 08:50:04 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 Jan 11 08:50:55 timeless_mbp: verification of if bugs were fixed is a good practice, i'd say Jan 11 08:51:20 timeless_mbp, thats a good thing, I was asked to test the mic on ideapad bug this morning. bug 10532 Jan 11 08:51:23 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, High, ---, ting.z.zhou, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook Jan 11 08:52:18 * lcuk moves onto "D" in the glossary http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#D which has DirectUI only atm Jan 11 08:53:42 mjäh mjäh aw goddammit this coffee is just awful Jan 11 08:53:56 I want coffee too ): Jan 11 08:54:15 then add Coffee to "C" ;) Jan 11 08:54:24 I am however adding http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot to "D" Jan 11 08:54:55 lcuk: let's make it Koffee instead Jan 11 08:55:08 /kick Tm_T Jan 11 08:55:29 * Tm_T huggles lcuk Jan 11 08:56:01 :D Jan 11 08:58:37 any other Meego "D" entries for the glossary? Jan 11 08:59:49 * lcuk moves onto "E" Jan 11 09:00:55 anyone know a specific page for the eeepc since thats a well supported meego netbook device Jan 11 09:02:31 i would like to add EMGD since those are mentioned often Jan 11 09:02:37 but I also cannot find anything official Jan 11 09:02:46 search for intel emgd Jan 11 09:03:10 yeah I am trying to link to official meego pages Jan 11 09:03:17 i can find forum threads and stuff Jan 11 09:03:28 but they arent really a clear source of documentation or info Jan 11 09:04:14 http://edc.intel.com/Link.aspx?id=3747 ? Jan 11 09:04:16 what official meego pages? Jan 11 09:04:17 :P Jan 11 09:04:57 Stskeeps, well its the meego glossary Jan 11 09:05:01 Actually, that's a redirect to http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/ Jan 11 09:05:13 theres someone saying that emgd drivers can be installed from ivi packages Jan 11 09:05:15 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1927 Jan 11 09:05:26 I am trying to avoid external links Jan 11 09:06:18 we need the EMGD drivers for the Nokia Booklet to run Meego Netbook don't we? Jan 11 09:08:31 ok, added initial entry for now Jan 11 09:09:16 is it fair to add a note to say that Intel EMGD drivers are not yet part of the standard release images? Jan 11 09:10:53 moving onto "F" Jan 11 09:10:58 hurrah Jan 11 09:11:06 "Fremantle" and "FOSS" Jan 11 09:12:34 I think can leave "F" as it is, I cannot see any other things which stand out Jan 11 09:12:55 there are no "G" entries in the glossary at the moment Jan 11 09:12:56 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary Jan 11 09:13:19 I however will add "GMA500" since that is used in lots and lots of devices Jan 11 09:13:25 and is asked about an awful lot Jan 11 09:13:33 lcuk: I'd say that if the subject is of hardware, the vendors site should be ok Jan 11 09:13:48 lcuk: atleast for verifiability Jan 11 09:14:23 Myrtti, yes, but if people are wanting to know how it relates to meego specifically Jan 11 09:14:51 morning lbt Jan 11 09:14:56 * lcuk slides over coffee Jan 11 09:15:13 what does GMA actually mean? Jan 11 09:15:20 lcuk: if your page doesn't explain what... EMGD is with sources, the whole page is a bit pointless Jan 11 09:16:01 Myrtti, yes I have linked through Jan 11 09:16:04 ;''EMGD (Embedded Media and Graphics Driver) '' Jan 11 09:16:05 : are Intel graphics drivers required for a number of netbook class devices http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/ Jan 11 09:16:05 : Currently not part of the standard netbook release images. Jan 11 09:16:47 I think similar for GMA500 will be fine Jan 11 09:18:38 the GMA500 and EMGD are linked and related afaik arent they? Jan 11 09:18:53 ie you need the EMGD drivers to use with the GMA500 hardware? Jan 11 09:20:43 oops, have to do a dash to the shop, will continue this in a few minutes \o Jan 11 09:34:57 * lcuk ponders heading back to "B" to add bacon Jan 11 09:41:24 ok, back to the Glossary Jan 11 09:41:57 I have added GMa500 entry but calling back to EMGD for how it needs to be used Jan 11 09:42:19 "H" http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#H has many entries already Jan 11 09:42:43 for Harmattan and related things, but no specific entry for "Handset" which I will cure now Jan 11 09:44:54 I wonder if "Hibernate" should be on there Jan 11 09:45:09 I guess its in the OS but on certain devices it does not work as expected ;) Jan 11 09:45:23 or is that sleep? Jan 11 09:46:14 "I" http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#I Offers "IIRC" Jan 11 09:46:36 which If I recall correctly is not the only "I" related item Jan 11 09:46:59 * lcuk tries to think of a meego related "I" Jan 11 09:48:19 ahh yes Jan 11 09:48:21 ;''IRC (Internet Relay Chat) '' Jan 11 09:48:21 :one of the key collaborative areas for Meego working and discussion Jan 11 09:50:43 ;''Intel'' Jan 11 09:50:43 : principle founding company (along with Nokia) of the Meego project Jan 11 09:52:41 now onto "J" Jan 11 09:53:35 Juma juice? Jan 11 09:53:44 I don't think "joggler" counts really, but people keep trying to install latest meego on it (its stuck by EMGD afaik) Jan 11 09:53:48 Tm_T, :D Jan 11 09:54:04 one can tell I haven't got much sleep lately Jan 11 09:54:40 one of the benefits of irc is you could be in your PJs now Jan 11 09:55:34 now, "K" entries Jan 11 09:55:38 there are none at present Jan 11 09:55:55 but I know loads of people ask about .ks kickstart files Jan 11 09:56:03 lcuk, Gosh, should I put some PJs on, then? Jan 11 09:56:06 anyone got a neat short one liner describing them? Jan 11 09:56:43 lcuk, "Kickstart files provide a list of packages and settings to use for automated installs." Jan 11 09:57:02 Assuming they're the same things as existed in RHCL all those years ago, anyway. Jan 11 09:57:15 that sounds right, thanks dwd_ \o Jan 11 09:59:14 and "Kernel" will be added too Jan 11 09:59:22 I am thinking linking it to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors Jan 11 10:00:09 ;''Kernel (linux)'' Jan 11 10:00:09 : is the core of the operating system and without which we would not have Meego! http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors Jan 11 10:00:09 ;''Kickstart files (.ks)'' Jan 11 10:00:09 : provide a list of packages and settings to use for automated installs. http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation Jan 11 10:01:08 * lcuk ponders "Kernel (gnu/linux)" but leaves it for others Jan 11 10:01:23 hmm, "GNU" should also be listed in "G" I did not mentio nthem Jan 11 10:01:39 lcuk: Kernel has not much to do with GNU I'd say Jan 11 10:02:04 hence me leaving it Jan 11 10:03:03 * lcuk moves onto "L" Jan 11 10:03:16 which has Jan 11 10:03:17 LSB (Linux Standard Base): Jan 11 10:03:17 The goal of the LSB is to develop and promote a set of open standards that will increase compatibility among Linux distributions and enable software applications to run on any compliant system even in binary form. Jan 11 10:03:36 are we actively working towards LSB? Jan 11 10:04:23 because a binary built for meego may not necessarily work on other Linux distros? Jan 11 10:05:20 Stskeeps, do you know anything about LSB? Jan 11 10:12:13 hmm I should ask on meego-dev ML Jan 11 10:12:37 LSB ARM is lacking, at least Jan 11 10:12:41 (afaik) Jan 11 10:14:12 Stskeeps, ok - should I file a bug to find more info etc or just post onto the ML? Jan 11 10:14:23 look into what LSB prescribes first Jan 11 10:16:35 Stskeeps, surely it would be better having a discussion amongst folks who know and can understand the specifics. I am seeing internet searches saying that meego should be lsb compliant Jan 11 10:16:52 so if you think its not, a bug would be the way to address it Jan 11 10:17:15 (or to at least kickstart the discussion) Jan 11 10:18:14 lcuk, The LSB is supposed to provide package portability amongst Linux distributions, strictly speaking, rather than binary (although binary compatibility is a subset of that). Jan 11 10:19:02 dwd_, reasonable, from a portability aspect, I gather it means standard folders and locations for components Jan 11 10:19:15 lcuk, For MeeGo to be LSB compliant, it'd need to have core packages installed in the right places, have RPM, and other stuff to support LSB packages being installed on it. Jan 11 10:19:25 but since there are so many ABIs in use and even different chipsets having binary compatability would be impractical Jan 11 10:20:00 lcuk, I'd say that would be pointless, given that LSB packages tend to only exist for third-party server products, and the very occasional bit of enterprise desktop stuff. Jan 11 10:20:23 http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=LSB Jan 11 10:20:30 ok, theres already a group of bugs relating Jan 11 10:20:34 and discussion ongoing Jan 11 10:21:37 * lcuk moves on Jan 11 10:22:05 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#M Jan 11 10:22:22 now the M category has many many more entries than the rest of the glossary :) Jan 11 10:23:18 "N" Jan 11 10:23:27 * lcuk adds a specific entry for Nokia :) Jan 11 10:23:48 and N900 Jan 11 10:23:50 and netbook Jan 11 10:33:12 "O" seems to be well stocked Jan 11 10:34:02 * lcuk ponders "Packaging (rpm)" or "RPM (packaging)" Jan 11 10:35:43 hmm should PulseAudio be mentioned here, is it used on all UXes? Jan 11 10:35:49 I know its mentioend a lot Jan 11 10:35:57 mentioned Jan 11 10:46:00 == P == Jan 11 10:46:00 ;''PulseAudio'' Jan 11 10:46:00 : is the low level sound system component used by Meego http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/TestSuite/PulseAudio_Test_Plan Jan 11 10:46:16 not ideal, but enough to let people know what PA is Jan 11 10:46:32 err Jan 11 10:46:32 ;''PA (PulseAudio)'' Jan 11 10:53:01 I follow the instruction(http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS) to start a local OBS server in vmware, but failed to boot the obs-server, it hangs after "Initializing ramdom number generator" Jan 11 10:53:14 Is there sth I have missed? Jan 11 11:04:58 aries, Stskeeps might have an idea Jan 11 11:05:28 looking at the rest of the glossary, it seems pretty reasonable Jan 11 11:05:36 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary Jan 11 11:05:40 Ok, thanks Jan 11 11:06:38 and thanks to Stskeeps dwd_ Tm_T and others in various irc channels for input on the terms Jan 11 11:08:37 lcuk, Oh, don't thank me, I was just making you spell rude words down the right margin. Jan 11 11:08:54 :) Jan 11 11:08:57 :) Jan 11 11:10:03 "I have discovered a truly marvelous rude word that this margin is too narrow to contain" - dwd_ 2011 Jan 11 11:33:04 morning all Jan 11 11:38:17 morning sivang \o Jan 11 11:39:39 hey Jan 11 11:49:41 http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/01/11/0649219/Hank-Chien-Reclaims-emDonkey-Kongem-High-Score Jan 11 11:49:46 awesome, people still play donkey kong Jan 11 11:52:38 someone humor me with trivia: why does the fs in the meego raw images start at offset 512? Jan 11 11:52:58 partitions? Jan 11 11:53:09 it's a whole sd card :) Jan 11 11:53:09 so there's a partition table in the bytes? Jan 11 11:53:11 yes Jan 11 11:53:21 okay, kinda guessed so :) thanks Jan 11 11:54:28 up here in powerpoint central we're all estranged from all this lowlevel stuff like "filesystems" or whatever you call them Jan 11 11:55:44 there's supposedly a level above powerpoint central where people have powerpoints handed to them to present Jan 11 11:56:43 that's the one where everyone has a wired telephone and a secretary to answer it? Jan 11 11:56:52 and emails get printed out Jan 11 11:57:14 poutsi, we sometimes wonder why powerpoint images start at page 512 ;) Jan 11 11:57:30 Stskeeps, email? Jan 11 11:57:30 * Myrtti checks Jan 11 11:58:11 speaking of such matters Jan 11 11:58:35 is there a ppt to qml conversion tool? Jan 11 11:58:57 so that we can use latest tech and projectors to present from our devices :) Jan 11 11:59:08 uuh Jan 11 11:59:17 write your presentation in mql Jan 11 11:59:17 ml Jan 11 11:59:18 I thought Nokia and derivatives was the powerpoint central Jan 11 11:59:19 qml Jan 11 11:59:20 someone should fork landslide and make it output qml presentations Jan 11 11:59:48 :) Jan 11 12:00:37 I suppose the bridge between ppt and qml isn't too wide Jan 11 12:00:37 hmm... I have a couple of lectures coming up Jan 11 12:01:15 if I had been given an euro everytime I've seen Powerpoint been used to make UI mockups, I'd be a rich and leisurely lady Jan 11 12:02:09 *hurrrrr* Jan 11 12:02:20 * lcuk smiles at email and goes finding out who to chase up Jan 11 13:52:36 ping lbt Jan 11 13:54:08 hi all Jan 11 13:54:26 hey berndt Jan 11 13:55:27 andre: andre__: ping Jan 11 13:55:46 prusnak, pong Jan 11 13:56:12 lcuk, What is the weather like? :D Jan 11 13:56:29 Huomenta. lbt or X-Fade, any chance that I may beg an account on the Community OBS in order to make a build of 1.1 for the WeTab: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet ? Jan 11 13:56:29 berndt, its reasonable today Jan 11 13:56:35 the sky was a deep blue earlier Jan 11 13:56:39 shame it was clouds :S Jan 11 13:58:49 ^^ Jan 11 13:59:11 * lcuk wishes he had camera Jan 11 13:59:20 (it was when I nipped to shop earlier) Jan 11 14:15:56 lcuk, I must visit the gym. Can you please pick me up a community OBS account while I'm out? No one seems to object, and qgil is waiting on me, and I have meetings most of the day. Jan 11 14:17:35 Alison_Chaiken: What is your username? Jan 11 14:17:37 what's the preferred way to deploy .wav files with a meego qml application? Looks like SoundEffect cannot read wavs from qrc:s... Jan 11 14:18:04 X-Fade: 'alison', if she left already Jan 11 14:18:14 X-Fade, my user name is "alison" and this is my current project: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet Jan 11 14:18:20 Alison_Chaiken: Done. Jan 11 14:19:12 Alison_Chaiken, heh :) Jan 11 14:19:19 have fun at the gym \o Jan 11 14:19:23 Thanks X-Fade, I will try to use the new account as an excuse to bail on today's meetings! Which are 10 hours partly about the demo I won't be creating because I'll be listening to people talk. Jan 11 14:19:42 Alison_Chaiken: Use your wetab in the gym then :) Jan 11 14:20:07 X-Fade, good idea Jan 11 14:20:19 :D Jan 11 14:20:35 Thanks lcuk, heavy things are sitting on the floor idle and we just can't let them be. WeTab is no good for gym as long as the USB HIDs must be plugged in. Nähdään. Jan 11 14:23:38 X-Fade, we need a meego ecoach :) Jan 11 14:23:56 lcuk: sampo already has a Qt version. Jan 11 14:24:09 coupled with the bluetooth things I heard being added to n900 kernel, can use heart monitors etc Jan 11 14:24:35 X-Fade, so who makes rpm packages for it? Jan 11 14:24:57 lcuk: Qt Creator? :) Jan 11 14:33:25 hey there! can you please have a look at my problem: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2438 Perhaps anyone can help me? Jan 11 14:42:06 tobsn: describing your problem here makes it more likely to get an answers instead of expecting 500 people to click your link to find out Jan 11 14:42:24 alright, i'll try Jan 11 14:44:39 i've got a netbook without usb-boot-supply an would like to install meego.. i used my desktop pc (win7) to create a tftp + dhcp server. now i would like to install meego via pxe, but i can't address the essential files from my prepared meego-usb-stick, because i'm using dos. Jan 11 14:44:55 got it? my english skills are not good :/ Jan 11 14:49:31 which netbook doesn't have usb-boot? Jan 11 14:49:43 i believe all pc's sold in past 5 years have had usb-boot Jan 11 14:50:14 yeah, but i've got one :/ even with bios-update there is no support Jan 11 15:03:05 tobsn: i think the qa-tools (#meego-qa-tools) guys did some work for automated installs with pxe Jan 11 15:03:20 see here : http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Autotest-guide Jan 11 15:04:08 (esp. section 6.2) Jan 11 15:07:50 jsv: but isn't it necessary in this guide, that both stations run with meego? Jan 11 15:11:59 no idea, but i don't think it should matter Jan 11 15:14:30 i think, it matters because i must handle .tar.gz files. perhaps i should try to set up a virtual server running with fedora. i'll try it now Jan 11 15:24:23 you dont need meego or fedora, ubuntu works also Jan 11 15:58:36 another problem: i created a virtual machine and formed a virtual harddisk out of the meego.img. now meego freezes in the first installation screen (where you can choose from "boot meego, installation only and boot from local drive") any solutions? Jan 11 16:10:25 is http://meego.com down? Jan 11 16:10:46 Short answer, yes. Jan 11 16:10:47 seems so Jan 11 16:10:56 k Jan 11 16:11:04 any mirror out of there? Jan 11 16:13:49 hm, the forum is still alive Jan 11 16:15:26 no way to get the image for x86 right? Jan 11 16:16:07 we're working on the meego.com server issues now Jan 11 16:18:49 DawnFoster: a notice here when the server is up will be appreciated ! Jan 11 16:19:01 will do Jan 11 16:19:23 thank you! Jan 11 16:22:34 FxIII, which image, netbook or handset? Jan 11 16:22:39 either way, yeah they are up Jan 11 16:22:46 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ Jan 11 16:22:53 netbook Jan 11 16:23:00 whow! Jan 11 16:23:02 TY lcuk Jan 11 16:23:06 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf/ Jan 11 16:23:31 latest 1.2 dev images for handset and netbook (afaik anyway) if I am wrong someone else can confirm Jan 11 16:24:42 lcuk: Those look like the latest Jan 11 16:24:47 \o ty Jan 11 16:25:00 its good job because I downloaded them to check bug fixes Jan 11 16:25:12 mic issue in netbook with ideapad is supposed to be fixed here Jan 11 16:25:27 if it is, then it will be backported to 1.1 (according to the bug meeting earlier) Jan 11 16:26:09 ie, bug�11003 Jan 11 16:26:24 which is a clone of bug 10532 Jan 11 16:26:27 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, High, ---, ting.z.zhou, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook Jan 11 16:26:49 hm Jan 11 16:26:52 bug 11003 Jan 11 16:26:55 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11003 nor, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, Build-in MIC of Lenovo s10-3t doesn't work Jan 11 16:27:07 * lcuk gives meegobot a bacon butty Jan 11 16:27:25 Oooh, I have been waiting for the mic issue. I just updated and will boot to test it out soon Jan 11 16:27:32 awesome Jan 11 16:34:01 i want to install the os in a sd card Jan 11 16:35:00 when i did this with ubuntu I saw that the grub was installed on the root partition for the hard disk Jan 11 16:35:26 unless specified in an advanced menu Jan 11 16:35:38 is the same with the meego x86 installation? Jan 11 16:43:37 bye to all! Jan 11 17:03:19 Anyone know anthing about terminal mode? Is there any VNC or UPnP client being worked on? Jan 11 17:17:17 FYI: meego.com is back up Jan 11 17:17:40 we were having some server / hosting issues this morning, but things seems to be returning to normal. Jan 11 17:40:12 lcuk: The mic isn't working for me, but I screwed around with it so much previously it isn't really surprising Jan 11 17:40:31 fiferboy, on the images mentioned earlier? Jan 11 17:40:55 lcuk: Yeah, but I upgraded my previous install to the current image instead of doing a clean install Jan 11 17:41:24 yeah, I have done numerous upgrades since the conf Jan 11 17:41:27 time for an image change Jan 11 17:41:58 I'm thinking so too. Just need to back up my data and partition with a separate home partition next time Jan 11 17:42:51 fiferboy, I would really prefer a method of backing up entire system back onto a usb stick Jan 11 17:43:18 (that I could then use for reinstalling from after faffing Jan 11 17:43:36 kind of like how microsoft windows cds can be slipstreamed with services packs ;) Jan 11 17:43:38 That would be nice. I'll settle for the separate partition for now Jan 11 17:44:18 download and install XYZ, do whatever updates and installations and then space providing, put them back onto the install media for later use Jan 11 17:45:17 lcuk: Your way would be better, because I have some system modifications I will have to rack my brain to remember and reinstall on the fresh system Jan 11 17:45:36 is anyone seeing that 'less' is broken in Trunk? Jan 11 17:46:20 fiferboy, why do you think I wanted writeup for the desktop stuff :) Jan 11 17:46:39 Good point. I should have been keeping track of my customizations as I went Jan 11 17:46:50 At least my packages are on OBS now for easy install :) Jan 11 17:46:55 roger Jan 11 17:47:09 thanks for reminder tho Jan 11 17:47:20 i think i have some tweaks needing pushing somewhere Jan 11 17:47:30 auke: What is broken about it? It is working for me... Jan 11 17:48:18 grrr Jan 11 17:48:25 it's time to reinstall my meego dev box again Jan 11 17:48:35 stuff is inexplicably breaking Jan 11 17:48:59 auke: My install has been upgraded to trunk ~15 times, so it may not be good a reference Jan 11 17:49:11 But inexplicable breakage doesn't sound good Jan 11 17:49:16 mine probably over 50 times Jan 11 17:49:40 auke: Yeah, probably time for a clean install :) Jan 11 17:49:50 it feels like readline is broken Jan 11 17:50:09 and since zypper also uses that... it refuses to ask me for confirmation now Jan 11 17:50:22 zypper was broken for me for quite a while Jan 11 17:50:44 zypper always worked fine for me Jan 11 17:50:46 i don;t know about broken, but it certainly is slow Jan 11 17:50:52 It wouldn't update repos properly due to curl not supporting resume or some such Jan 11 17:51:11 fiferboy, remove the .repo files to a subdir Jan 11 17:51:13 That was the first sign I needed a fresh install, but I got it going again Jan 11 17:51:14 refresh Jan 11 17:51:21 reinsert them Jan 11 17:51:22 refresh Jan 11 17:51:23 lcuk: Exactly what I ended up doing Jan 11 17:51:28 and many go away Jan 11 17:51:37 perhaps we should file a bug now mention that Jan 11 17:51:43 Actually, I think I deleted all the zypper related files in /var/cache Jan 11 17:51:47 but I tohught it was down to network crap Jan 11 17:51:55 and i couldnt describe it properly Jan 11 17:52:06 Yeah, I thought the server was having trouble for a while Jan 11 17:52:19 If I come across it again I will file a bug with the error messages Jan 11 17:52:36 fiferboy/auke: I'm not sure I've ever done more than one update on an install, and that usually just to test the update stuff. :) In the modern world, it seems easier just to reinstall... Jan 11 17:53:29 andyross: I kept putting it off because I didn't want to offload my downloaded files (and I should have laid out the partitions better initially to avoid that) Jan 11 17:54:53 andyross, reinstall regularly is fine for testing development progress Jan 11 17:55:08 but real users do not like losing their files Jan 11 17:55:14 or config Jan 11 17:55:16 etc Jan 11 17:55:39 lcuk: /etc, you mean? Jan 11 17:56:13 fiferboy, no I mean in general, whole system config including apps installed and data written and mods made Jan 11 17:56:34 :P You missed my joke Jan 11 17:57:20 return -ENOSARCASMONLINE; Jan 11 18:01:11 Hi, I'm looking for feedback about the (rough) meego.com homepage I drafted yesterday - see http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content Jan 11 18:01:31 comments are welcome at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 Jan 11 18:01:57 lbt_away: please ping me wjen you're around Jan 11 18:02:05 X-Fade: ping Jan 11 18:03:51 * Myrtti pokes dsample once he comes from work ;-) Jan 11 18:04:08 if I build an RPM package on Fedora 13 the package ends with .fc13.src.rpm - do you know where is this f13 coming from and is it configurable? Jan 11 18:05:20 Myrtti: is dsample working with you? Jan 11 18:05:24 smoku: its the %dist in the spec file Jan 11 18:05:55 berndhs, so I should be able to override it in ~/.rpmmacros? Jan 11 18:06:17 i don't know where it comes from Jan 11 18:06:51 qgil: no, he takes care of my accomodation when I'm in UK and I his when he's in Finland ;-) Jan 11 18:07:21 Myrtti: soundssustainable ;) Jan 11 18:08:15 berndhs, /etc/rpm/macros.dist - overriding by ~/.rpmmacros worked. thank you very much :D Jan 11 18:10:11 qgil o_O dare I ask, are you going to make a qml mockup of that also? :O :D Jan 11 18:11:04 talking of qml Jan 11 18:11:05 ehheeeeee Jan 11 18:11:06 eeeeu Jan 11 18:11:11 tho picking up a pencil is really a great way to do layouts :) Jan 11 18:11:20 lcuk: I could (this Qt Designer for Qt Quick actually reminds me that ol' Fireworks web designers used years ago) but I'll let the real design to a real designer Jan 11 18:11:44 should the qtcreator come with qmlviewer? I just installed Qt Creator from the 64-bit Linux .bin and I can't find it. Jan 11 18:12:15 Myrtti: I got stuck in the same point back in November Jan 11 18:12:18 qgil, yeah its a nice set of tools :) Jan 11 18:13:37 Myrtti, I somehow forgot to thank you for your help this morning btw \o Jan 11 18:14:28 * lcuk stomach rumbling anyway, pizza time. bbl \o Jan 11 18:14:36 lcuk: np, bon appetit Jan 11 18:19:58 *sigh* Jan 11 18:20:08 I fail in google-fu Jan 11 18:29:51 berndhs, by chance do you know the name of the macro responsible for package Vendor? Jan 11 18:30:54 smoku: no sorry, but if you find out, let me know :) Jan 11 18:31:26 berndhs, ok. I just did: # rpmbuild --showrc | grep -i vendor Jan 11 18:31:28 tada :) Jan 11 18:31:34 i think it was mentioned here while ago Jan 11 18:32:48 berndhs, well.. I found it finally reading the whole "man rpmbuild" :D Jan 11 18:33:09 wait, meego uses rpm? o.O Jan 11 18:33:22 reading teh documentation? how pedestrian :) Jan 11 18:33:32 yup. I was deperate Jan 11 18:33:59 "If everything else fails - read the instruction manual." Jan 11 18:34:11 diabol, you look surprised Jan 11 18:34:27 yeah last resort Jan 11 18:35:21 aye Jan 11 18:35:32 i supposed it uses apt like maemo Jan 11 18:50:38 diabol, no. it's RPM based. like Moblin it's based on Jan 11 18:53:33 * lcuk giggles at old bugs being a duplicate of newer ones Jan 11 18:53:56 space time continuum Jan 11 19:05:03 smoku, that is a major turnoff for me :D Jan 11 19:16:23 diabol, for me it was to at first. then I had to package few things and I realized that RPM is not something I was trying a decade ago and is actually pretty nice Jan 11 19:16:51 diabol, it went a long way and now I prefer it over dpkg Jan 11 19:17:37 lcuk, if the new one has a better description it's reasonable to bend the time :D Jan 11 19:34:14 or if the new one has patch attachments before it's spotted or something Jan 11 19:34:28 had that happen to me on launchpad just the other day, wtf'd a bit at first Jan 11 19:35:50 smoku: maybe you're right, ill see when i get around to install meego Jan 11 19:36:32 evening all Jan 11 19:40:25 hi CosmoHill Jan 11 19:41:41 not much response to the Cambridge meet forum post, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=15776#post15776 Jan 11 19:42:59 thinks of where to advertise to get more interest Jan 11 19:43:58 qgil, DawnFoster, any suggestions? Jan 11 19:44:35 vgrade: Hmm, I retweeted it from the meegocom account. Jan 11 19:44:37 "meet the man (or woman) behind the nick!" Jan 11 19:44:47 vgrade: in my opinion the secret is not to get obsessed on the first meetup's side, but to get obsessed on organizing one meetup every month, growing gradually Jan 11 19:45:01 vgrade: have the meetup Jan 11 19:45:08 then brag about how AWESOME it was afterwards Jan 11 19:45:11 then more will come to the second Jan 11 19:45:16 and keep pestering ARM, their response was disappointing ;) Jan 11 19:45:16 vgrade: i'd focus on reaching out to mobile people in Cambridge who might be interested. Jan 11 19:45:35 it's hard to reach a specific geography on the forums. Jan 11 19:45:46 I have the same issue with Portland, too BTW. Jan 11 19:46:07 DawnFoster, saw the retweet thanks Jan 11 19:46:15 As long as you get a few people, you'll be fine. Jan 11 19:47:13