**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 15 03:00:01 2011
Jan 15 09:55:32 * hena hates gui libs
Jan 15 09:55:38 <Stskeeps> then you'll love qml
Jan 15 09:55:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 15 09:56:31 <hena> software should be written for console from the point one
Jan 15 09:56:37 <hena> and then just add the stupid gui
Jan 15 09:57:07 <hena> efl, qt, gtk, motif, tk , asldfghasdfg
Jan 15 09:57:16 <lbt> libascii
Jan 15 09:57:19 <lbt> wtf
Jan 15 09:57:45 <lbt> but then of course you need to look at vt100 emulation
Jan 15 09:57:54 <lbt> and if you need the ibm charset... well.
Jan 15 09:58:00 <lbt> what's a guy to do?
Jan 15 09:58:19 <Bostik> hena: I disagree, in my opinion most real functionality of any larger kind should be in a library and CLI/GUI frontends just written on top
Jan 15 09:58:25 <Bostik> but then again I'm a freak
Jan 15 09:58:41 <hena> well, yeah
Jan 15 09:58:48 <hena> engine, interface
Jan 15 09:59:02 <hena> cli is just too simple to count
Jan 15 09:59:21 <hena> but porting between gtk, efk, qt for every ap is just too frustrating
Jan 15 10:11:00 <Myrtti> qml is nice
Jan 15 10:11:51 <Myrtti> I feel less like an idiot nowadays because I know the bare basics
Jan 15 10:13:23 <hena> Retrieving repository 'MeeGo SDK' metadata [error]
Jan 15 10:13:27 <hena> sigh
Jan 15 10:14:13 <araujo> hena, qml!
Jan 15 10:14:17 * araujo can't sleep
Jan 15 10:14:57 <hena> ok, ok, i get it :)
Jan 15 10:15:08 * hena takes a look
Jan 15 10:17:31 <hena> ok, went to wikipedia, first few words, qml is a javascript based...
Jan 15 10:17:53 <araujo> not the whole story
Jan 15 10:18:33 <hena> prolly not, they just should use a different word there, no marketing skills at all :D
Jan 15 10:55:35 <lardman> morning
Jan 15 10:56:30 <alterego> Aloha
Jan 15 10:56:57 <lardman> hi alterego
Jan 15 15:12:27 <wazd> Hello everyone
Jan 15 15:12:47 <Stskeeps> lo wazd :)
Jan 15 15:12:50 <Stskeeps> how was your trip?
Jan 15 15:13:05 <wazd> Stskeeps: heya :)
Jan 15 15:13:20 <wazd> Stskeeps: amazing, just amazing :)
Jan 15 15:14:27 <wazd> Stskeeps: Finland has more advanced hospitals in small townish village than Moscow :D
Jan 15 15:15:03 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 15 15:15:42 <RST38h> mooo, wazd
Jan 15 15:16:00 <wazd> Stskeeps: and all people seems to be pretty happy with life.
Jan 15 15:16:14 <wazd> Rst38h, heyhey :)
Jan 15 15:17:07 <Stskeeps> wazd: ah, then you couldn't possibly have gone to finland ;)
Jan 15 15:17:44 <wazd> Stskeeps: though I didn't make it to Espoo or Helsinki cause I was too far from it, about 300km
Jan 15 15:18:46 <wazd> Stskeeps, well, I definitely felt more comfortable there than here :)
Jan 15 15:18:54 <KevinB> In France it is said that we should take Finland as an example for school, health, and in general for the quality of life there
Jan 15 15:19:43 <wazd> Stskeeps, it's cool to live your life without expecting to be fucked up every second
Jan 15 15:20:00 <GAN900> Ehehe
Jan 15 15:20:15 <GAN900> Yeah, that's generally a good way to go about it.
Jan 15 15:20:39 <wazd> Gan900, not that easy in Russia though :)
Jan 15 15:21:10 <GAN900> So I hear.
Jan 15 15:21:48 <GAN900> There's an awful lot of inertia behind that many years of corruption.
Jan 15 15:22:21 <RST38h> wazd: So, any job offers from a certain Espoo company?
Jan 15 15:22:41 <wazd> And, btw, as I thought, Finland has pretty much Moscow prices for booze :)
Jan 15 15:23:37 <wazd> Rst38h: not quite, just a holiday
Jan 15 15:24:12 <lcuk> hey wazd \o
Jan 15 15:24:25 <wazd> Rst38h: I want to finish gPodder and OMWeather for meego to at least show some active stuff
Jan 15 15:24:28 <lcuk> how did you find out about the hospitals?  traditional Finnish welcome?
Jan 15 15:24:33 <wazd> Lcuk: heyhey :)
Jan 15 15:24:39 <Stskeeps> lcuk: ;)
Jan 15 15:24:57 <thp> wazd: btw, any new mockups? ;)
Jan 15 15:25:10 <RST38h> wazd: you have got themes too
Jan 15 15:26:05 <kahless> hi all
Jan 15 15:26:42 <wazd> Lcuk: nah, my friend got an injury riding snowboard and I was his translator :)
Jan 15 15:26:44 <wazd> Thp: yeah, I'm currently working on them.
Jan 15 15:27:38 <lcuk> wazd, eek, hope he is ok
Jan 15 15:27:54 <wazd> Thp, first I wanted to use "swipe from the screen border" but then I reallized that you can't perform it on lenovo
Jan 15 15:28:10 <wazd> Thp, basicaly same gesture that microb uses to bring copy/paste button
Jan 15 15:28:38 * lcuk curses gesture misrecognition
Jan 15 15:28:48 <wazd> Lcuk: no, nothing serious :)
Jan 15 15:28:54 * RST38h disabled all gesture recognition on his laptop
Jan 15 15:29:30 <lcuk> RST38h, gestures make me physically gesture
Jan 15 15:30:05 <wazd> Oops
Jan 15 15:30:10 <lcuk> hey wazd, thanks btw :)
Jan 15 15:30:32 <lcuk> liqtorch on the ideapad lights up a whole room when its fully white ;)
Jan 15 15:31:56 <wazd> Lcuk: hehe :)
Jan 15 15:41:45 <thp> wazd: gestures only for the advanced featuers, right?
Jan 15 15:41:49 <thp> "features"
Jan 15 15:42:01 <RST38h> HINT: Screw the gestures
Jan 15 15:42:58 <wazd> Thp: sure
Jan 15 15:43:38 <wazd> Thp: like "quickly bring up now playing" :)
Jan 15 15:45:31 <lcuk> wazd, how are you pondering multiple resolutionness
Jan 15 15:45:53 <lcuk> ie on a larger (ideapad) device, you dont need so much hidden or needing special ways to access
Jan 15 15:46:18 <wazd> Lcuk: oooh, let it be surprise for ya :)
Jan 15 15:46:53 <lcuk> well that won't be a surprise for me, I have been thinking multi res for a while ;) its making sure you are thinking about them thats important :P
Jan 15 15:47:42 <wazd> Lcuk: oh I will :b
Jan 15 15:49:35 <wazd> Thp: have you checked that game btw? :)
Jan 15 17:00:35 <hena> is it just me, or does meego netbook eat battery...
Jan 15 17:02:43 <hena> it's just me i guess
Jan 15 17:03:14 <CosmoHill> it eats batteries
Jan 15 17:04:08 <hena> just feels like my batterylife has gone down since ubuntu, but powertop says otherwise
Jan 15 17:22:22 <cheetah> hello~,i have patched the qtmobility's libQtMultimediaKit to support sendout gstreamer audio spectrum datas ,how can i feedback to its official.
Jan 15 17:23:22 <Stskeeps> cheetah: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtContributionGuidelines i assume
Jan 15 17:23:34 <Stskeeps> we send the patch straight to qt mobility
Jan 15 17:26:02 <cheetah> thanks Stskeeps. i''ll try it
Jan 15 17:39:33 <Stskeeps> javispedro: know any good way to list x11 visuals?
Jan 15 17:40:28 <javispedro> not from head, I do not have a xlsvisuals app at least
Jan 15 17:40:46 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 15 17:40:50 <Cheetah> x11 visuals? what exactly meanings
Jan 15 17:41:22 <Stskeeps> trying to chase down Warning: EGL suggested using X Visual ID 33 (ARGB0888) for EGL config 1 (ARGB8888), but this is incompatable
Jan 15 17:41:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 15 17:43:22 <javispedro> Stskeeps: who is printifing it? Driver, or a client's "sanity check"?
Jan 15 17:43:47 <Stskeeps> javispedro: qt
Jan 15 17:44:33 <Stskeeps> http://pastie.org/1464025
Jan 15 17:45:41 <alterego> Stskeeps: not x11 "windows"?
Jan 15 17:47:37 <javispedro> Stskeeps: why does your X11 server have GLX? Is this x86?
Jan 15 17:47:55 <Stskeeps> javispedro: yes, in weekends i'm free to do whatever :P
Jan 15 17:48:04 * alterego wanders off again
Jan 15 17:48:14 <javispedro> heh
Jan 15 17:49:43 <javispedro> might Qt code fail to read the alpha value of a visual? that sounds impossible.
Jan 15 17:49:53 <Stskeeps> yeah, it doesn't sound right
Jan 15 17:49:57 <Stskeeps> i must have something wrong on xorg side
Jan 15 17:50:25 <javispedro> glx visuals are not read same way plain visuals are, so glxinfo could be lying
Jan 15 17:50:51 <javispedro> unfortunately I have no trivial app listing visuals around
Jan 15 17:52:18 <Stskeeps> how would i list Xorg extensions?
Jan 15 17:52:44 <javispedro> read the log
Jan 15 17:52:51 <javispedro> =)
Jan 15 17:53:06 <Stskeeps> mmk
Jan 15 17:53:32 <Stskeeps> i don't see Composite there, that might be why...
Jan 15 17:55:59 <ali1234> Stskeeps: glxinfo
Jan 15 17:57:04 <ali1234> oh, it was said
Jan 15 17:58:16 <ali1234> are you sure that "X Visual ID 33" isn't in hex?
Jan 15 18:00:36 <Stskeeps> fairly sure, it's not in the list then
Jan 15 18:01:10 <javispedro> it might be a xrender problem
Jan 15 18:01:29 <javispedro> iirc corex11 has no idea about alpha visuals
Jan 15 18:02:01 <javispedro> so maybe qt is falling back because it cannot use xrender for some reason?
Jan 15 18:03:05 <javispedro> heh
Jan 15 18:03:14 <Cheetah> i have to go off and sleep,Good Night
Jan 15 18:03:32 <javispedro> Stskeeps: see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/staging/blobs/3aabc92c72bdd9f7e7bc67dd22dae203033e958a/src/gui/egl/qegl_x11.cpp#line93
Jan 15 18:03:48 <javispedro> QT_NO_XRENDER defined means alpha = 0
Jan 15 18:03:55 <javispedro> (first google result :) )
Jan 15 18:04:01 <Cheetah> All:bye
Jan 15 18:04:08 <javispedro> cya Cheetah
Jan 15 18:04:32 <Stskeeps> javispedro: i'd assume we don't have that enabled though
Jan 15 18:15:08 <javispedro> Stskeeps: xdpyinfo will list visuals =)
Jan 15 18:15:29 <javispedro> however, as it will use core x11 there is no alpha info
Jan 15 18:16:10 <javispedro> also extensions
Jan 15 18:17:17 <javispedro> this should also list them, along with what xrender says http://pastebin.com/VkMXNe7D
Jan 15 18:17:39 <javispedro> (link with -lXrender -lX11)
Jan 15 18:18:34 <javispedro> the sad thing is that this rings a bell, but I cannot recall..
Jan 15 18:19:31 <javispedro> aaa
Jan 15 18:19:39 <javispedro> Stskeeps: is this nvidia?
Jan 15 18:20:25 <Stskeeps> no, worse, gma500 :P
Jan 15 18:20:32 <javispedro> aw
Jan 15 18:20:42 <Stskeeps> what was the nvidia cause?
Jan 15 18:20:47 <javispedro> the bell it rang was that on older nvidia propietary drivers you had to enable a xorg config setting
Jan 15 18:20:57 <javispedro> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-b.html
Jan 15 18:21:04 <javispedro> "AddARGBGLXVisuals"
Jan 15 18:21:19 <javispedro> "ARGB GLX visuals are enabled on X servers new enough to support them when the Composite extension is also enabled."
Jan 15 18:21:36 <javispedro> but no idea about poulsbo
Jan 15 18:23:55 <LinuxUser> i try to start the meego sdk: http://pastie.org/1464193 but there is nothing popping up like in the wiki described: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes
Jan 15 18:24:01 <LinuxUser> anyone could help me?
Jan 15 18:34:22 <funky> I have an aspire one d250 and the wifi doesn't work out of the box
Jan 15 18:35:11 <Stskeeps> for future reference, this problem seems to go away when setting DRI on (even if DRI2 is on)
Jan 15 18:35:19 <funky> how can it be ? this distro is supposed to be used on netbooks, and this netbooks is one of the most common
Jan 15 18:35:34 <Stskeeps> funky: is it broadcom wifi?
Jan 15 18:35:36 <funky> yes
Jan 15 18:35:48 <Stskeeps> complain to broadcom that the wifi driver is closed source :)
Jan 15 18:35:48 <funky> it uses ssb module, which comes with 2.6.30 onwards
Jan 15 18:35:52 <Stskeeps> ah, sb
Jan 15 18:35:53 <Stskeeps> ssb
Jan 15 18:36:09 <funky> yup, but it seems that it hasn't been compiled
Jan 15 18:37:30 <Stskeeps> well, nothing stops you from enabling it
Jan 15 18:38:36 <funky> how, modprobe doesn't find it
Jan 15 18:38:40 <funky> i should compile it
Jan 15 18:39:21 <Stskeeps> yes, the code is available for rebuilding
Jan 15 18:39:49 <Stskeeps> bbl
Jan 15 18:40:32 <funky> which package manager does meego use?
Jan 15 18:41:22 <funky> i know it's rpm-based, but there is no yum, and I'm not much into rpm stuff
Jan 15 18:41:47 <Stskeeps> zypper
Jan 15 18:41:59 <funky> thank you
Jan 15 18:43:07 <funky> Stskeeps: is zypper the way to upgrade meego? I mean, I broke jolicloud because I did a dist-upgrade from aptitude
Jan 15 21:25:35 <lcuk> step 1 of the packaging/repo changes looks good.  consolidation of the UX repositories is great for sanity! :)
Jan 15 21:25:36 <lcuk> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2011-January/246421.html
Jan 15 22:13:14 <ng__> hello
Jan 15 23:04:44 <wazd> hello again :)
Jan 16 00:40:35 <Lopi> are there any devs around?
Jan 16 00:41:08 <CosmoHill> maybe
Jan 16 00:45:20 <Lopi> I'm from the iDroid and iX Project. iDroid is Android on Apple's iDevices. iX is my project which aims to provide an X11 based GNU/Linux distribution for Apple's iDevices. I decided to see if I could boot meego for fun. Meego seemed to be booting properly, but I got stuck at a black screen. Are there any log files I can check to see what happened during boot?
Jan 16 00:46:54 <CosmoHill> sounds like the graphics
Jan 16 00:46:59 <Lopi> I used the n8x0 rootfs as my device, iPhone3G, is armv6
Jan 16 00:47:03 <CosmoHill> have you tried booting into run level 3?
Jan 16 00:47:23 <Lopi> No, I'll try that. Is Meego a lot like a standard linux distro?
Jan 16 00:48:19 <Lopi> All I have is framebuffer, so that could be the problem. No 3D acceleration.
Jan 16 00:49:49 <sivan> can anybody know how to reverse the virutak keyboard setting up on the ideapad?
Jan 16 00:49:52 <sivan> I followed this:
Jan 16 00:50:02 <sivan> http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/
Jan 16 00:50:11 <sivan> but the VKB is driving me nuts
Jan 16 00:52:12 <CosmoHill> Lopi: it's between 1am and 3am for europe where nokia is so it might be kinda hard to find a developer
Jan 16 00:53:57 <sivan> so I removed meegotouch-inputmethodframework
Jan 16 00:54:02 <sivan> let's see what happenbes
Jan 16 00:54:12 <Lopi> CosmoHill: Okay, I'll play around tonight and see if I can get in touch with a dev tomorrow.
Jan 16 01:04:08 <Lopi> CosmoHill: Is run level 3 console only in meego?
Jan 16 01:04:23 <CosmoHill> yes
Jan 16 01:04:42 <CosmoHill> if that works it implies it's the drivers
Jan 16 01:05:03 <CosmoHill> but not owning a n900 i'm not the best person to comment
Jan 16 01:05:28 <Lopi> strange, I changed init level in /etc/inittab/ but still booting to a black screen ;p
Jan 16 01:06:08 <Lopi> I probably should have run some tests in qemu first
Jan 16 01:12:10 <CosmoHill> couldn't of hurt
Jan 16 01:13:09 <Lopi> yeah, it'll boot to console in qemu. changes to inittab didn't save most likely
Jan 16 01:13:10 <sjokkis> couldn't have hurt
Jan 16 01:13:56 <CosmoHill> it's 1am
Jan 16 01:14:25 <sjokkis> it's actually 2am
Jan 16 01:14:30 <CosmoHill> night night
Jan 16 01:14:35 <CosmoHill> sjokkis: where you are it may be
Jan 16 01:14:50 <CosmoHill> if you want to be perdantic it's 1:09am
Jan 16 01:15:00 <berndhs> not for long
Jan 16 01:15:24 <CosmoHill> lets assume for up to 59 seconds
Jan 16 01:15:25 <sjokkis> it's already 2:10am really
Jan 16 01:15:47 <berndhs> night cosmo
Jan 16 01:15:50 <CosmoHill> .o/
Jan 16 02:27:41 <brainy> How can I change my ID for Meego's forum?
Jan 16 02:28:45 <brainy> anyone?
Jan 16 02:30:53 <berndhs> deny everything and sign up again
Jan 16 02:53:10 <Termana> morning
Jan 16 02:56:48 <Guest55189> WHATS UP BABIES
Jan 16 02:56:53 <Guest55189> what is meego?
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