**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 16 02:59:58 2011
Jan 16 08:24:47 <Venemo_N900> hi
Jan 16 08:25:14 <dm8tbr> lo
Jan 16 10:12:27 <Stskeeps> morn lbt
Jan 16 10:12:42 <lbt> morning ....
Jan 16 10:13:01 <lbt> my desktop crashed :(
Jan 16 10:13:27 <Stskeeps> :(
Jan 16 10:13:56 <Stskeeps> i'm fighting with my joggler
Jan 16 10:15:05 <lbt> I spent last night fighting with a 10m HDMI/DVI cable ... v. annoying
Jan 16 10:15:40 <lbt> what insane bunch of cretins makes a video protocol that won't work with cables > a few metres?
Jan 16 10:17:28 <Stskeeps> people who want to go into wireless displays? ;)
Jan 16 10:22:03 <Bostik> lbt: people who don't understand the concept of "separate media centre" ?
Jan 16 10:23:21 <lbt> it is rather astounding though....
Jan 16 10:23:35 <lbt> got one of these for xmas : http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225754
Jan 16 10:23:58 <lbt> is Nvidia ION  supported by MeeGo... ;)
Jan 16 10:25:48 <lbt> oh, Stskeeps ... we have an irc VM
Jan 16 10:25:52 <Stskeeps> lbt: if you recompile xorg with XINERAMA
Jan 16 10:31:44 <Stskeeps> lbt: and nice, what do you need me to provide besides my soul to get access?
Jan 16 10:32:47 <lbt> a newly generated, meego-only, passphrase protected, ssh key
Jan 16 10:33:09 <Stskeeps> ok, might have to be later today (going to the parents in law)
Jan 16 10:33:11 <lbt> it was on my list for today but adam beat me to it last night
Jan 16 10:33:21 <lbt> yeah - I doubt it has any kind of access yet
Jan 16 10:33:34 <lbt> it only needs to reach out doesn't it? no inbound connections?
Jan 16 10:33:38 <lbt> (so NAT is OK)
Jan 16 10:35:48 <lardman> lbt: is that little PC fanless?
Jan 16 10:36:27 <lbt> not quite... but it's damned quiet ... I think the fan is off most of the time. PSU is an external brick
Jan 16 10:36:35 <lardman> ah cool
Jan 16 10:36:49 <lardman> I was umming and arring about building a media centre
Jan 16 10:36:56 <lardman> though in that case I'd need usb tuners
Jan 16 10:37:16 <lardman> which would probablty have a better chance of being supported under Linux though
Jan 16 10:37:24 <lbt> http://netbooked.net/netbook-reviews/review/acer-aspire-revo-review/
Jan 16 10:37:28 <lbt> has some internal piccies
Jan 16 10:37:44 <lardman> thanks
Jan 16 10:37:47 <lbt> happened to see it last night when looking for hdmi problem/solutions
Jan 16 10:38:26 <lbt> (eventually I went to sainsburys, bought a short hdmi cable and got a binary dump of the EDID - which was enough to force it into the right mode)
Jan 16 10:38:43 <lardman> hmm, I wish that would work for one of my desktop monitors
Jan 16 10:39:05 <lardman> is uninterested even with a binary EDID in xorg.conf
Jan 16 10:39:17 <lbt> ew
Jan 16 10:39:55 <lbt> I use it as a myth frontend
Jan 16 10:40:06 <lbt> have the backend + tuners elsewhere
Jan 16 10:40:15 <lardman> I was wondering if it was my DVI to VGA connector, though the driver seems to think it has an HDMI port, so perhaps it's all a bit wrong
Jan 16 10:40:19 <lardman> lbt: ah ok
Jan 16 10:41:03 <lbt> it's a bit physically small to use as a backend for a decent system it'd sprout wires
Jan 16 10:41:03 <dm8tbr> lbt: the IRC VM, is that something meego official? also for bots?
Jan 16 10:41:17 <lbt> dm8tbr: yes
Jan 16 10:41:43 <lardman> lbt: yeah that was my worry
Jan 16 10:42:19 <dm8tbr> can I get an account for meegobot then? :) (I can create an key in a few minutes if necessary)
Jan 16 10:42:32 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: let's see if we can integrate up the work
Jan 16 10:42:49 <Stskeeps> there's a couple of bots that'd be nice to merge, so
Jan 16 10:42:50 <lbt> dm8tbr: we've not got a policy for accounts yet - probably have Stskeeps as the maintainer for that system
Jan 16 10:43:38 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: sure
Jan 16 10:44:06 <Stskeeps> you don't happen to know if there's a bugzilla plugin for supybot?
Jan 16 10:44:35 <dm8tbr> no idea
Jan 16 10:45:07 <dm8tbr> also there's more bugzilla functionality than bug queries
Jan 16 10:45:38 <dm8tbr> you can subscribe  a mozbot to bugmail and it will notify of bug changes in designated channels
Jan 16 11:21:44 <lcuk> lbt, meego booted to a degree on my packard bell allinone multitouch whilst you were gone! :P
Jan 16 11:22:11 <lbt> ooh
Jan 16 11:22:18 <lbt> pics?
Jan 16 11:22:24 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg
Jan 16 11:22:40 <lcuk> handset needs to adapt to x11 screen resolution
Jan 16 11:22:41 <lbt> :)
Jan 16 11:23:00 <lcuk> for any machine its on
Jan 16 11:23:09 <lcuk> bug 12455
Jan 16 11:23:12 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 nor, Undecided, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, Displayed UI does not adapt to available screen resolution
Jan 16 11:23:42 <lcuk> cos those black borders have appeared on any machine
Jan 16 11:23:52 <lcuk> it also happily boots on my work x200s too
Jan 16 11:24:05 * lcuk ponders
Jan 16 11:24:05 <lcuk> brb
Jan 16 11:28:58 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://pastie.org/1466246
Jan 16 11:39:58 <lcuk> Stskeeps, but when do you apply that?
Jan 16 11:40:17 <Stskeeps> lcuk: well, at image creation time
Jan 16 11:40:44 <lcuk> and what happens if I boot meego onto a system where I can plug a monitor into (instead of a single fixed monitor)
Jan 16 11:40:51 <Stskeeps> got a point there
Jan 16 11:41:17 <lcuk> Stskeeps, this same usb key works on ideapad, pb.onetwo, x200s etc
Jan 16 11:41:23 <lcuk> "works"
Jan 16 11:41:45 <Stskeeps> well, ask people to make resolution autodetect for meegotouch ;)
Jan 16 11:41:49 <lcuk> i just went to try it onthe x41 and the amd machine downstairs
Jan 16 11:41:55 <lcuk> thats what the bug is for!
Jan 16 11:42:08 <Stskeeps> good
Jan 16 11:42:17 <Stskeeps> just saying ther's a temp solution :P
Jan 16 11:42:54 <lcuk> yeah we used similar with the ideapad
Jan 16 11:42:54 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad
Jan 16 11:43:05 <lcuk> theres multiple ways to do it
Jan 16 11:44:12 <lcuk> AMD machine ominously suggests in a DOS console line during boot that the cpu opcodes are not supported, not unexpected really
Jan 16 11:44:18 <lcuk> its an AMD dualcore 64b
Jan 16 11:44:51 <lcuk> and the x41 is failing to boot its own OS let alone meego
Jan 16 11:56:56 <sivang> morning
Jan 16 11:57:32 <Venemo_N900> morning
Jan 16 11:58:05 <sivang> I had to remove meegotouch-* to have the VKB removed on the ideapad, how do I enable non touch UI as came with the ideapad the first place?
Jan 16 11:58:07 <Stskeeps> morn
Jan 16 12:03:12 <lcuk> sivang, hrm?  see the changing desktops page for some info, but depends what you installed since you got it
Jan 16 12:03:28 <lcuk> in the conf we were given keys with netbook image on
Jan 16 12:08:29 <sivang> lcuk: yes, I am not so conversant with the rpm tools, so it is not as easy as with Ubuntu. Also, modifications to the configuration files seem to go ignored
Jan 16 12:09:02 <sivang> lcuk: to sum it up, the desktop/netbook experience on the ideapad as per 1.1 is very poor in my taste. I expected just the very basics to be there.
Jan 16 12:09:16 <sivang> even how it came stock, that is.
Jan 16 12:12:51 <Stskeeps> welcome to the personality split between being end-user and platform..
Jan 16 12:14:05 <sivang> exactly
Jan 16 12:14:24 <sivang> at least we could perhaps market it as a platform only?
Jan 16 12:14:37 <sivang> at least until it gets an end-user product
Jan 16 12:16:23 <Stskeeps> an old issue really :) it surprises me noone has taken meego core and start to put the pieces together for something full and usable :P
Jan 16 12:16:35 <Stskeeps> it is fairly easy to customize
Jan 16 12:17:15 <sivang> Stskeeps: Well, not if you want usable touch ui
Jan 16 12:17:35 <sivang> Stskeeps: as explained nicely by the last commenter on the window resize non boog
Jan 16 12:18:16 <lcuk> sivang, which bug
Jan 16 12:20:04 <sivang> lcuk: it would be close to impossible for me to find it right now (thanks to bugzilla) try to google for "hard to resize windows" or something
Jan 16 12:20:20 <sivang> as I only have 2 minutes before I need to run
Jan 16 12:20:26 <sivang> cheers for now, be back later
Jan 16 12:20:29 <lcuk> sivang, I have an alternative resize bug too
Jan 16 12:20:39 <lcuk> which is related to browser window opening at 1 pixel in from the edges
Jan 16 12:20:51 <lcuk> but hard to resize is a different issue on touch
Jan 16 12:21:08 <Stskeeps> touchpad + touch screen is a horrid mix, imho
Jan 16 12:21:13 <lcuk> bug 10444
Jan 16 12:21:16 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Browser scrolling not possible when mouse at screen borders
Jan 16 12:21:17 <Stskeeps> it is very difficult to make good UIs for
Jan 16 12:21:27 <lcuk> the touchpad is on its own reasonable
Jan 16 12:21:37 <lcuk> especially when you want to scroll a text file whilst coding
Jan 16 12:21:43 <Stskeeps> yes, but then we're back at WIMP
Jan 16 12:21:45 <Stskeeps> a touch ui is different
Jan 16 12:22:00 <lcuk> of course, the ideapad is dualmode
Jan 16 12:22:12 <Stskeeps> right, and UI should follow that
Jan 16 12:23:33 <lcuk> sivang, how should border/edge resizing work?  (I used to allow whole window size to do resizing relative to corner so you dont have to aim for the tiny edge
Jan 16 12:23:42 <lcuk> but it requires enabling resizing in the first place for some things
Jan 16 12:24:10 <lcuk> but I am watching Magnum P.I dvd
Jan 16 12:24:19 * lcuk bbl
Jan 16 12:24:32 <lcuk> my moustache is taking notes.
Jan 16 13:39:54 * lardman wonders if lcuk's Ferrari and Hughes 500 were also taking notes?
Jan 16 13:42:18 <lcuk> lardman, :D of course.  totally cool helicopter!
Jan 16 13:42:57 * lcuk can see lardman is a fan also.
Jan 16 13:49:01 <lcuk> lardman, the yachts aren't bad either, one of my mates is a captain in the Maldives atm
Jan 16 13:49:50 <lcuk> noted because its raining in Manchester atm, lucky sob
Jan 16 13:56:34 <vgrade> raining in Manchester, now that is a surprise
Jan 16 14:15:21 * mrdongle_ checksums
Jan 16 16:25:39 <testor> hi
Jan 16 16:34:55 <jonnor> sivang: disable launch of meegotouch-im-uiserver to disable the VKB
Jan 16 16:40:09 <arfoll> vgrade, have you got a .ks to build a meego image for the joggler with GL/GLes? I've noticed you have an emgd driver in home:vgrade
Jan 16 16:47:53 <Stskeeps> arfoll: i'm not 100% sure they're stable
Jan 16 16:50:05 <arfoll> Stskeeps, thanks been chatting to vgrade
Jan 16 17:10:21 <wazd> Hello everyone
Jan 16 17:10:29 <Stskeeps> lo wazd
Jan 16 17:10:44 <wazd> Stskeeps: o/
Jan 16 17:11:06 <wazd> Stskeeps: good luck @ fosdem :)
Jan 16 17:11:51 <Stskeeps> thanks
Jan 16 17:12:13 <wazd> Stskeeps: but considering your outstanding work in Dublin - you won't need it :)
Jan 16 17:12:35 <Stskeeps> i'll have my wife along, so that ups the nervousity ;)
Jan 16 17:12:58 <wazd> Stskeeps: ooh :)
Jan 16 17:13:52 <wazd> Stskeeps: I'm still trying to track that weird handset bug
Jan 16 17:14:03 <Stskeeps> which one?
Jan 16 17:14:22 <wazd> Stskeeps: n900 can't recognize stock handset
Jan 16 17:14:48 <wazd> Stskeeps: just don't see it
Jan 16 17:15:14 <Stskeeps> headset, you mean
Jan 16 17:15:31 <wazd> Ooops, sprry :)
Jan 16 17:15:49 <wazd> Sorry, about -25 outside :)
Jan 16 17:15:59 <andre__> uh, Stskeeps as Fosdem? we should have a beer then :)
Jan 16 17:16:24 <dm8tbr> andre__: if you arrive friday it will be more than one ;)
Jan 16 17:16:28 <Stskeeps> andre__: yeah, will be having a talk in embedded devroom
Jan 16 17:16:48 <andre__> i'll arrive friday evening
Jan 16 17:16:53 <andre__> cool
Jan 16 17:17:13 <Stskeeps> 18:30ish here at airport
Jan 16 17:18:03 <andre__> 18:55 here
Jan 16 17:18:14 <andre__> yay :)
Jan 16 17:18:52 <dm8tbr> make your flight arrive earlier and you'll catch the train with us :)
Jan 16 17:18:58 <andre__> haha
Jan 16 17:19:06 <andre__> train? hmm, last time I took a bus
Jan 16 17:19:55 <dm8tbr> the train connection is quite comfortable and drops you off slightly north of city centre
Jan 16 17:21:15 <dm8tbr> most hotels _and_ the delirium bar are just minutes from there
Jan 16 17:36:02 <lardman|home> lcuk: finished the Magnum marathon?
Jan 16 17:36:27 <lardman|home> when were you planning the London (or wherever) meet? I need to juggle my diary
Jan 16 17:36:46 <lcuk> only watched 4 eps so far.
Jan 16 17:36:47 <CosmoHill> there is a cambridge meet
Jan 16 17:43:31 <lcuk> lardman|home, no on both counts.  the london meet was just observation that it would be easier for more people to get to London
Jan 16 17:43:53 <lardman|home> np, let me know what the plan is once one is decided
Jan 16 17:44:02 <lcuk> ok
Jan 16 17:44:07 <lardman|home> and how's the moustache, Ferrari and helicopter?
Jan 16 17:45:00 <lcuk> :D
Jan 16 18:20:09 <Stskeeps> javispedro: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/16/hp-promises-webos-netbooks-to-go-along-with-smartphones-and-slat/
Jan 16 18:21:12 <javispedro> well, makes sense.
Jan 16 18:22:06 <Stskeeps> well, makes me wonder about the qt stuff in webos :P
Jan 16 18:22:54 <javispedro> I think they're using it as a helper library only
Jan 16 18:22:58 <javispedro> at least, so far.
Jan 16 18:23:03 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jan 16 18:26:23 <Stephen256> hello.
Jan 16 18:30:39 <Stephen256> Any one here?
Jan 16 18:31:31 <Stskeeps> hhi
Jan 16 18:31:56 <Stephen256> Hi.
Jan 16 18:34:58 <Stephen256> I have been thinking about Meego, as I am Gentoo user.
Jan 16 18:35:39 <Raim> how is that related?
Jan 16 18:36:29 <w00t_> lbt: where would you like bugs for build.pub.m.c filed? :)
Jan 16 18:36:38 <Stephen256> Both platforms are related by Linux kernel and largely by the infrastructure of the software stack.
Jan 16 18:37:06 <Raim> Stephen256: I would say that applies to any Linux distro :)
Jan 16 18:41:26 <Stephen256> Yes.  As a Gentoo user I like a home brewed system.  I am wondering about that with regard to Megoo.
Jan 16 18:41:49 <Stskeeps> Stephen256: you can pretty much put meego together in funny configurations
Jan 16 18:41:59 <Stskeeps> it's a package based system though
Jan 16 18:44:17 <Stephen256> Is that a problem?
Jan 16 18:45:59 <Stephen256> The package based system I mean.
Jan 16 18:49:43 <thiago_home> you tell us
Jan 16 18:50:05 <Stskeeps> as in it's not compile everything from scratch ;)
Jan 16 18:50:29 <Stephen256> Okay, I'll tell you what I do know.
Jan 16 18:51:19 <Stephen256> In gentoo for example there are graphics card drivers from Nvidia and ATI which are closed source binaries that are installed as kernel modules.
Jan 16 18:53:01 <Stephen256> As dev you can build binary packages for example Open Office, Firefox, Thunderbird, Flash and others.
Jan 16 18:54:38 <Stephen256> As a user I can only speak from my own experience, with regards to software management through the gentoo Portage package management program.
Jan 16 18:55:18 <Stephen256> Btw, Fiirefox and Thunderbird as they are open source also ship in source code forms.
Jan 16 18:55:44 <Venemo_N900> Stephen256: so what's your question?
Jan 16 19:00:24 <Stephen256> Before I answer that one, I'll warn you that I haven't thought this out as well as I thought I had... for that I apologise.  In short, could a user install a KDE or Gnome desktop on to a Meego device.  Admittedly, I have a home brew bias hence the gentoo slant.
Jan 16 19:01:22 <mrdongle_> why not just use those distros then
Jan 16 19:02:09 <mrdongle_> maybe you don't know why you are here :)
Jan 16 19:02:29 <Stephen256> I'm not sure about driver support, for example if your target platform is a new GSM enabled Tablet device.
Jan 16 19:02:40 <Stephen256> I never know why I'm here.
Jan 16 19:03:59 <Stephen256> Or for that fact drivers for a capacitive touch screen.
Jan 16 19:06:44 <Stephen256> It is my impression that Meego is targeting more than just embedded mobile devices, so from a selfish point of view I'd like to see my embedded device sharing the same code base/ design philosophy as my desktop.
Jan 16 19:17:42 <Venemo_N900> Stephen256: it's just a matter of someone porting them
Jan 16 19:19:11 <Venemo_N900> Stephen256: the reason for their inavailability is that gnome or kde is not designed for touchscreen devices
Jan 16 19:19:53 <Venemo_N900> Stephen256: but, since they are free and open source, you could dl and build them
Jan 16 19:22:47 <Stephen256> Good points all of them, to do that say on a netbook, first I'd need one of the supported hardware platforms.
Jan 16 19:23:01 <wmarone> ooh!
Jan 16 19:23:03 <wmarone> xterm!
Jan 16 19:23:08 <Stephen256> s/that/dl and build them.
Jan 16 19:23:47 <Venemo_N900> Stephen256: MeeGo and its SDK are available for non-netbook devices
Jan 16 19:23:50 <wmarone> is there a way to switch between windows in X without an x server?
Jan 16 19:23:57 <wmarone> and no mouse
Jan 16 19:24:12 <Venemo_N900> wmarone: without an x server there are no x windows either
Jan 16 19:24:18 <wmarone> err
Jan 16 19:24:21 <wmarone> my bad
Jan 16 19:24:24 <wmarone> I mean, window manager
Jan 16 19:25:02 <Venemo_N900> wmarone: umm... I don't think so.
Jan 16 19:25:18 <wmarone> :/ that's what I'm thinking
Jan 16 19:25:23 <wmarone> well, meego booted at least :)
Jan 16 19:25:34 <Venemo_N900> wmarone: without a window manager, there's nothing to react to any input events
Jan 16 19:26:40 <Stephen256> try alt-tab
Jan 16 19:26:40 <Venemo_N900> wmarone: you could try to boot to a terminal and install a window manager
Jan 16 19:28:05 <wmarone> if I'm going to do that, I'll dig around to get mic2 working and just create an image of handset
Jan 16 19:28:18 <wmarone> though I'll have to install fedora or somesuch to use the 0.24 version like vgrade said
Jan 16 19:28:48 <Venemo_N900> wmarone: what device are you installing it to?
Jan 16 19:29:07 <wmarone> viewsonic gtablet (tegra 2, requires hardfp build)
Jan 16 19:30:10 <Venemo_N900> mhm
Jan 16 19:32:11 <Sazius> Anyone know how to get anti-aliased fonts in Qt apps in MeeGo netbook? Any package I'm missing?
Jan 16 20:01:25 <vgrade> wmarone, \o/
Jan 16 20:01:46 <vgrade> welcome to the tegra 2 team
Jan 16 20:02:13 <wmarone> heh
Jan 16 20:02:44 <CosmoHill> ooo
Jan 16 20:03:03 <wmarone> now I need to get fedora 13 installed so I can use a dev version of mic2
Jan 16 20:03:03 <lbt> w00t_: bugs.meego.com ... there is a community build area there
Jan 16 20:03:24 <w00t_> lbt: k
Jan 16 20:03:25 <alterego> wmarone: works fine for me under f14
Jan 16 20:03:31 <wmarone> well
Jan 16 20:03:36 <wmarone> I have no fedora installs whatsoever
Jan 16 20:03:47 <wmarone> so I'm grabbing what I have handy
Jan 16 20:03:55 <alterego> m'hmm
Jan 16 20:03:56 <alterego> Cool
Jan 16 20:04:06 <w00t_> lbt: executive summary: there appears to be no (non-'advanced' tab) way to target meego:current:core
Jan 16 20:04:43 <vgrade> w00t_, that one stumped me for a while
Jan 16 20:04:50 <lbt> w00t_: we may need to review the project structures
Jan 16 20:05:22 <vgrade> there is a dialog box which says will be automatcally populated
Jan 16 20:06:14 <vgrade> this means it will be populated after you start typing into it
Jan 16 20:06:19 <Jaffa> lbt: had a chance to catch up with the COBS/Extras/Surrounds thread?
Jan 16 20:07:03 <lbt> Jaffa: hey.... no ... but I am writing some stuff
Jan 16 20:07:42 <Stephen256> I'm going to wave and thank you for your time.  I am looking forward to seeing Meego in handset devices and other places.  All the best.
Jan 16 20:07:48 <Stephen256> .quit Bye.
Jan 16 20:08:10 <Stephen256> Dratt that wasn't supposed to go like that.  Bye.
Jan 16 20:09:08 <vgrade> w00t_, or have I misunderstood your problem
Jan 16 20:10:25 <w00t_> vgrade: sort of, I think - my point is that it should be easier to set up builds against current meego without having to do that
Jan 16 20:12:21 <vgrade> w00t_, so meego:current:core should be part of the list of default reps and not required the advanced tab
Jan 16 20:12:33 <w00t_> right
Jan 16 20:13:06 <Jaffa> lbt: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/003021.html and then crosses into the Jan archives: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-January/003043.html
Jan 16 20:14:23 <lbt> yeah... I'm using that and preparing some content and scope which I'll put here : http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces
Jan 16 20:14:41 <lbt> also see my rant to ... someone... just before xmas
Jan 16 20:14:53 <Stskeeps> sabotage / shane?
Jan 16 20:16:13 <lbt> shane
Jan 16 20:16:14 <lbt> yes
Jan 16 20:22:24 <Jaffa> lbt: indeed, that's what prompted me to think about it in more detail - and the excellent points raised in your rant.
Jan 16 20:22:53 <Jaffa> lbt: My short version - openness: good; leadership & empowerment to make decisions: needed.
Jan 16 20:23:07 <Jaffa> lbt: That's why I'm not sure on qgil's "under the CO" angle.
Jan 16 20:23:13 <Jaffa> lbt: But I should get back to MWKN editing.
Jan 16 20:23:26 <lbt> when's the deadline?
Jan 16 20:23:40 <Jaffa> lbt: For MWKN? 6am UTC tomorrow morning. Ish.
Jan 16 20:23:46 <Jaffa> Usually very "ish" recently
Jan 16 20:23:51 <lbt> hehe ... OK
Jan 16 20:23:56 * lbt types faster
Jan 16 20:24:00 <Jaffa> Something good for the frontpage would be nice ;-)
Jan 16 20:25:12 <alterego> "Alterego finds matd"
Jan 16 20:26:50 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: have you seen my little puzzle master app?
Jan 16 20:27:53 <Jaffa> Venemo_N900: No, missed that. URL?
Jan 16 20:28:55 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139
Jan 16 20:29:07 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: installable from -devel atm
Jan 16 20:29:13 <Jaffa> Venemo_N900: ta
Jan 16 20:30:29 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: try it. I'm curious about your opinion :)
Jan 16 20:30:49 <Jaffa> Venemo_N900: It's obviously an evil trojan ;-)
Jan 16 20:31:03 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: it should be compilable for meego and other distros, but it has a surprise when ran on the N900
Jan 16 20:31:04 <GAN900> Jaffa, I'll do better tonight. Promise! ;)
Jan 16 20:31:32 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: you should have seen DocScrutinizer's reaction
Jan 16 20:34:59 <root_> is meego better or faster than maemo 5 on the nokia n900? is the repository bigger? does it contain many bugs in the most common programs like apps for calling, sms, mms, browser and terminal? can I use apt-get?
Jan 16 20:35:42 <jonnor> root_: Meego 1.1 Handset can be considered a developer preview
Jan 16 20:35:46 <Jaffa> root_: No & no. Definitely not. Almost certainly. No, it's RPM based; use 'yum'
Jan 16 20:35:47 <Venemo_N900> root_: not yet.
Jan 16 20:35:53 <Jaffa> jonnor: Short version - what jonnor said.
Jan 16 20:36:09 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: meego doesn't use yum
Jan 16 20:36:24 <Jaffa> Venemo_N900: Oh, it's zypper isn't it.
Jan 16 20:36:35 <root_> ok, thanks people :)
Jan 16 20:37:14 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: yeah, I think so
Jan 16 20:37:44 <Venemo_N900> Jaffa: reason was yum being written in python
Jan 16 21:08:42 <lupine_85> well, zypper has that magical new dependency resolution stuff too
Jan 16 21:42:58 <Venemo_N900> lupine_85:
Jan 16 21:50:06 <CosmoHill> hey sofar
Jan 16 22:02:37 <CosmoHill> I just thought, I must be the only guy in the channel using a non-x86 computer
Jan 16 22:08:09 <smoku> CosmoHill, possibly.  but if you want, I could power-on my A1200 :)
Jan 16 22:08:34 <CosmoHill> what's that?
Jan 16 22:19:37 <smoku> CosmoHill, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_1200
Jan 16 22:19:55 <CosmoHill> mine was made this century :)
Jan 17 00:15:27 <lbt> Jaffa: ping
Jan 17 00:32:04 <lbt> night al
Jan 17 00:32:42 <CosmoHill> bye
Jan 17 00:32:49 <CosmoHill> might as well be off too
Jan 17 00:46:40 * alterego wonders how a developer is meant to make a Qt app look decent ..
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