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Jan 17 06:19:57 <Jaffa> lbt: pong
Jan 17 06:37:04 <Termana> morning
Jan 17 06:37:11 <wassupnari> hello
Jan 17 06:37:43 <wassupnari> does Meego supports "live wallpaper"?
Jan 17 06:37:49 <wassupnari> anyone knows?
Jan 17 06:37:49 <wmarone> it might
Jan 17 06:38:13 <wmarone> "live wallpaper" might be a feature of some vendor installed desktop
Jan 17 06:38:33 <wassupnari> hm.. i'm working on handset device
Jan 17 06:38:51 <Stskeeps> wassupnari: look at duihome code, i guess
Jan 17 06:39:13 <wassupnari> and developing application using Qt, but i cannot find which 'service' can register that widget as a live wallpaper
Jan 17 06:39:29 <Stskeeps> wassupnari: there's plugins for duihome, i believe
Jan 17 06:39:38 <wassupnari> duihome?
Jan 17 06:39:44 <Stskeeps> yes, the home screen in handset UX
Jan 17 06:40:52 <wassupnari> duihome plugin is a kind of source repository?
Jan 17 06:41:11 <Stskeeps> no, it's a method on how to attach to the home screen :)
Jan 17 06:41:21 <wassupnari> oh, i see
Jan 17 06:41:23 <Stskeeps> look at the source code for duihome, it'll make more sense
Jan 17 06:41:32 <wassupnari> i'll check it
Jan 17 06:41:44 <wassupnari> appreciate that! :)
Jan 17 06:49:35 <wassupnari> Does duihome plugin is a kind of program that can be deployed on Meego?
Jan 17 06:51:14 <wassupnari> Stskeeps, are you there?
Jan 17 06:51:32 <Stskeeps> wassupnari: basically duihome has a plug-in architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_%28computing%29 ) http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-home/trees/master/src/extensions/plaindesktopbackgroundextension
Jan 17 06:52:38 <wassupnari> okay, i'll look around this code, and will ask again.
Jan 17 06:52:45 <wassupnari> Thank you so much!!
Jan 17 06:53:11 <Stskeeps> no problem, just remember to do some research on the code of the components you're using
Jan 17 06:56:53 <wassupnari> okay :)
Jan 17 08:26:29 <steventao> Hi all.
Jan 17 08:28:28 <amjad> hi
Jan 17 08:28:46 <steventao> I got some probmel when I use dist_compliance.
Jan 17 08:29:16 <steventao> It will show AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name'
Jan 17 08:29:24 <steventao> I don't know why.
Jan 17 08:31:06 <steventao> Could someone tell me why...
Jan 17 08:31:27 <Myrtti> moin
Jan 17 08:33:04 <steventao> ?
Jan 17 08:33:24 <Stskeeps> steventao: you probably need to give a bigger paste on pastie.org for instance, the error itself doesn't make much sense
Jan 17 08:34:12 <steventao> Ok...wait a monent
Jan 17 08:35:48 <steventao> http://pastie.org/1469145
Jan 17 08:36:28 <Stskeeps> looks broken, could you file a bug against compliance tools?
Jan 17 08:38:34 <steventao> hmm..see
Jan 17 08:38:42 <steventao> I will file a bug.
Jan 17 09:33:23 * lcuk drops a whole bag of coffee beans into the machine and slides cups to everyone
Jan 17 09:37:55 <thiago> lcuk: thanks
Jan 17 09:37:59 * thiago appreciates the caffeine
Jan 17 09:39:08 * thiago is just over 24 hours from flying somewhere tomorrow
Jan 17 09:39:12 <thiago> and I still don't know where
Jan 17 09:45:21 * dm8tbr already made it halfway through europe
Jan 17 09:45:53 <dm8tbr> currently DUS airport
Jan 17 09:46:04 <lcuk> thiago, on a magic mystery tour!?
Jan 17 09:46:24 <thiago> so mystery that even I don't know
Jan 17 09:46:52 <thiago> dm8tbr: which flights connect in DUS?
Jan 17 09:47:19 <v_zaitsev> some dublin flights at least for sure :)
Jan 17 09:48:31 <dm8tbr> already went from TMP to ARN and then DUS. next and final destination W
Jan 17 09:48:37 <dm8tbr> WRO
Jan 17 09:48:54 <thiago> ouch
Jan 17 09:49:00 <thiago> that's a long hop to get there
Jan 17 09:49:29 <thiago> sounds like Las Palmas in 2009...
Jan 17 09:49:33 <thiago> OSL-FRA-MAD-LAS
Jan 17 09:49:40 <thiago> LPA I mean
Jan 17 09:49:43 <thiago> LAS is Las Vegas
Jan 17 09:49:47 <dm8tbr> the other way would be hel / warsaw / wro
Jan 17 09:49:57 <thiago> HEL has free wifi
Jan 17 09:49:59 <thiago> ARN doesn't
Jan 17 09:50:14 <dm8tbr> yeah, neither does DUS
Jan 17 09:50:53 * dm8tbr uses company sim for brief status update
Jan 17 09:50:55 <lcuk> thiago, scrabble rules:  what sthe longest word you can make using the letters of recent airports? :P
Jan 17 09:51:01 <lcuk> whats the ^
Jan 17 09:51:04 <thiago> dm8tbr: yeah, tried that in Brazil when I was at the beach
Jan 17 09:51:12 <thiago> 350 € in data transfer...
Jan 17 09:51:39 <thiago> lcuk: depends on whether you go to Canada or not
Jan 17 09:51:49 <thiago> you can't make scrabble words with Canadia airport codes
Jan 17 09:52:33 * dm8tbr invested the equiv of 25¤ into his polish prepaids and will save his employer a _lot_ (this bought me 7GB)
Jan 17 09:52:45 <thiago> ¤ ?
Jan 17 09:52:59 <dm8tbr> 100pln
Jan 17 09:53:05 <thiago> I meant the symbol
Jan 17 09:53:12 <lcuk> lol thiago - those are the high scoring ones, you can use vowels from other regular airports
Jan 17 09:53:22 <thiago> I'm guessing you're using ISO-8859-15 and my client translated to Latin 1
Jan 17 09:53:35 <part> thiago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_%28typography%29
Jan 17 09:53:50 <dm8tbr> hmm my irssi should use wtf-8
Jan 17 09:54:25 <thiago> lcuk: YYZ, YVR, YOW, YUL, YXE
Jan 17 09:54:42 * thiago wonders if there's an airport in Canada YQZ or YZQ
Jan 17 09:54:46 <thiago> that would be the highest scoring
Jan 17 09:55:09 <thiago> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YQZ - Quesnel Airport
Jan 17 09:58:05 <sandst1> YYZ is the strongest because it's got its own song
Jan 17 09:58:27 <sandst1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3hJ5-ngUow
Jan 17 09:58:29 <sandst1> :P
Jan 17 10:38:16 <CosmoHill> the wifi on a powerbook kinda sucks
Jan 17 10:41:32 <lcuk> CosmoHill, so don't use a powerbook.
Jan 17 10:41:55 <CosmoHill> I don't have the 4 million pounds required to buy a new mac laptop tho
Jan 17 10:42:38 <lcuk> CosmoHill, who said anything about a mac :P
Jan 17 10:43:46 <CosmoHill> bbl
Jan 17 10:55:50 <CosmoHill> back
Jan 17 10:56:25 <amjad> CosmoHill you using Yellow dog linux on powerbook by any chance??
Jan 17 10:56:35 <CosmoHill> nope, 10.5 leopard
Jan 17 10:57:56 <amjad> thought so, i assume you have  G4 :) when i was developing yellow dog linux (5.x) we always had issues with wifi (bm drivers ) :)
Jan 17 10:59:30 <CosmoHill> @intel people, if I say anything bad about you it's probably cos of apple leaving ppc
Jan 17 11:00:13 <thiago> so apple preferring intel is bad for intel?
Jan 17 11:02:49 <CosmoHill> I mean i might say something a bit stupid
Jan 17 11:03:14 <CosmoHill> I can see thiago backing me into a corner very quickly so I'm gonna get some toast
Jan 17 11:08:54 <lcuk> o_O http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/2011/01/17/worlds-most-expensive-nokia-phones/
Jan 17 11:09:35 <CosmoHill> I read that as "on a scale of 1 - whore" :/
Jan 17 11:11:04 <CosmoHill> whilst they may be great phones and cost a lot of money, they do like like "chavy"
Jan 17 11:14:10 <CosmoHill> lcuk: I'm leaving in about half an hour to get my results :/
Jan 17 11:14:37 <lcuk> i thought you already got those last week?
Jan 17 11:14:55 <CosmoHill> I got the unmoderated marks for two assignments
Jan 17 11:15:06 <CosmoHill> I have one assignment and one exam to get
Jan 17 11:15:23 <CosmoHill> I need 70%+ in the exam since I got 70% in the assignment
Jan 17 11:15:27 <lcuk> ahh cool
Jan 17 11:16:21 <CosmoHill> the assignment and exam are worth 50% of the grade for Data Structures and Algorithms
Jan 17 11:58:06 <raghum> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/mic/imgcreate/kickstart.py", line 29, in <module>
Jan 17 11:58:06 <raghum>     import pykickstart.commands as kscommands
Jan 17 11:58:06 <raghum> ImportError: No module named pykickstart.commands
Jan 17 11:59:11 <raghum> sorry for the garbled dump
Jan 17 12:00:17 <raghum> I am trying to build Meego FS. I get the error "ImportError: No module named pykickstart.commands"
Jan 17 12:02:55 <raghum> I tried to update python2.6-dev. But I still get the "ImportError: No module named pykickstart.commands"
Jan 17 12:03:02 <raghum> any help?
Jan 17 12:16:08 <steventao> Hi all again.
Jan 17 12:17:19 <steventao> After some test and study, I still feel confuse about app-compliance-tool.
Jan 17 12:17:46 <steventao> I don't know why I need it.
Jan 17 12:17:55 <Stskeeps> it's supposed to be run against rpm packages, i think
Jan 17 12:18:32 <steventao> If I use sdk to develop my AP, it will be a problem?
Jan 17 13:08:12 <tcs-meego> when does 1.2 come up?
Jan 17 13:09:07 <tcs-meego> there are too many things that i am waiting for that arent there in 1.1
Jan 17 13:09:29 <frals> wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering or smth should have the info
Jan 17 13:10:03 * lcuk engineers frals 
Jan 17 13:11:03 <tcs-meego> hmm .. end of march :(
Jan 17 13:11:21 <alterego> Hrm, can't get theming to work on desktop meego-touch :/
Jan 17 13:11:29 <Stskeeps> tcs-meego: that's why you develop your product alongside :)
Jan 17 13:38:05 <tcs-meego> is anyone here maintaining bluetooth-qt for meego.. it has a .pro and .pri file..where the files it is pointing to are missing altogether
Jan 17 13:38:53 <Stskeeps> sounds a bit broken, like that in 1.2 too?
Jan 17 13:40:41 <alterego> bluetooth-qt? Not qt mobility connectivity api?
Jan 17 13:43:53 <tcs-meego> i found bluetooth-qt... qt mobility connectivity api seems like it will come up in 1.2
Jan 17 13:47:07 <alterego> tcs-meego: exactly, it's best to develop along side 1.2 trunk like Stskeeps suggested.
Jan 17 15:12:15 <vgrade-nexus> Stskeeps, has the armv7hl build finished?
Jan 17 15:18:20 <Stskeeps> vgrade-nexus: might need another spin
Jan 17 16:08:40 <hena> sigh, someone working on netbook fullscreen zones?
Jan 17 16:08:54 <hena> i hate the face that you can't change zones if you have something fullscreen
Jan 17 16:09:00 <hena> s/face/fact/
Jan 17 16:09:00 <infobot> hena meant: i hate the fact that you can't change zones if you have something fullscreen
Jan 17 16:09:06 <hena> ugh
Jan 17 16:43:11 <araujo> morning
Jan 17 16:45:44 <berndhs> araujo: howdy
Jan 17 16:57:37 <vgrade-nexus> Stskeeps, no problem, thanks
Jan 17 17:00:01 <vgrade-nexus> looks forward to the time when he can look inside the main OBS
Jan 17 17:00:51 <berndhs> yeah the world will never be the same after that
Jan 17 17:02:57 <araujo> heh
Jan 17 17:02:59 <araujo> hi berndhs
Jan 17 17:13:07 <sabotage> Stskeeps: pong
Jan 17 17:13:36 <Stskeeps> sabotage: ah, sorry, didn't mean to summon you :P we were discussing about community obs
Jan 17 17:14:05 <sabotage> oh, kk
Jan 17 17:14:43 * sabotage was non-techie this weekend, painting some machine parts on a stone/gem grinder he's restoring
Jan 17 17:17:56 <CosmoHill> that's the first time I've sworn at a petrol pump
Jan 17 18:04:15 <CosmoHill> anyone know how to report a website to google / yahoo?
Jan 17 18:04:43 <Jartza> CosmoHill: how to "report"?
Jan 17 18:04:56 <Jartza> to add into indexing, or to report for abuse etc?
Jan 17 18:05:41 <Jartza> http://www.google.com/addurl/ at least adds site to google indexing
Jan 17 18:11:29 <CosmoHill> someone spammed our forum so I want them to suffer
Jan 17 18:12:28 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: revenge publically logged in irc logs isn't a good thing :)
Jan 17 18:12:46 <CosmoHill> hehe
Jan 17 18:14:39 <CosmoHill> sod google, I'm not creating an account just to have a URL remove3d
Jan 17 18:16:06 <Gepettovski> Question: Apart from the MeeGo OS, is there any Linux distro which currently supports the MeeGo Netbook UX? The Fedora packages are broken and Smeegol is a huge mess.
Jan 17 18:16:41 <CosmoHill> wasn't there a Ubuntu remix?
Jan 17 18:22:54 <Gepettovski> There was, but they discontinued it when they decided to go with Unity
Jan 17 18:23:12 <Gepettovski> This was before MeeGo, too - it was Moblin
Jan 17 18:24:46 <Gepettovski> I aks because my new netbook has lots of hardware that MeeGo doesn't support yet, but almost every big distro I've tried had the necessary hardware support. It's easier to throw a mask on one of those than to go out hunting for drivers
Jan 17 18:27:34 <CosmoHill> what hardware do you have?
Jan 17 18:27:56 <Gepettovski> I have an LG X140
Jan 17 18:28:46 <wmarone> Gepettovski: what hardware does meego not support?
Jan 17 18:30:39 <Gepettovski> wmarone: that would be my webcam, microphone, integrated 3G modem and wireless card.
Jan 17 18:31:00 <Gepettovski> The drivers for the wireless card are easily available from ralink, so that's a non-issue
Jan 17 18:39:43 <Gepettovski> I think I'll take this silence as a "no, there isn't".
Jan 17 18:39:51 <Gepettovski> It's a shame, but
Jan 17 18:40:17 <Gepettovski> I suppose in a year or so my hardware will probably have 100% native support. Such is the world of Linux drivers
Jan 17 18:57:11 <RST38h> moo al
Jan 17 18:57:16 <RST38h> +l
Jan 17 18:57:53 <CosmoHill> mew
Jan 17 19:01:15 <Sage> lbt: ping, it seems that the build.pub.meego.com repository copy of trunk isn't very uptodate. Meaning: MeeGo:current:Core. Could that be updated?
Jan 17 19:20:27 <timeless_xchat> anyone awake?
Jan 17 19:20:35 <mwichmann> no
Jan 17 19:20:49 <wmarone> just us chickens
Jan 17 19:20:58 <auke> please don't wake me up :)
Jan 17 19:21:04 <Myrtti> bwaak.
Jan 17 19:23:06 <timeless_xchat> can someone remind me about auth... is bugs.meego.com using unified auth w/ *.meego.com?
Jan 17 19:23:35 <Myrtti> yup
Jan 17 19:23:47 <Myrtti> well...
Jan 17 19:23:53 <Myrtti> kinda
Jan 17 19:24:19 <wmarone> it should be, I use the same login across all of the sites
Jan 17 19:25:02 <Myrtti> bugs cant handle openid tho
Jan 17 19:26:07 <wmarone> true
Jan 17 19:31:19 <andre__> bugs not handling openID is an upstream Bugzilla issue
Jan 17 19:55:34 <valianholt> good day
Jan 17 19:55:43 <hena> also, when maximized windows in a zone, the windowbar could hide... ;)
Jan 17 19:56:11 <hena> or titlebar
Jan 17 19:57:01 <valianholt> would like to see your opinion people in there :) MWC is upcoming, in February actually, rumors say that Nokia N9 will be announced, is the community version of MeeGo fully usable yet, so they will use it, or probably it will be some Nokia fork with many closed source parts? :)
Jan 17 19:58:00 <hena> no
Jan 17 19:58:15 <valianholt> or it will be from regular MeeGo team, which have to keep all the details about OS secured, so they will release source codes afterward?
Jan 17 19:58:16 <Stskeeps> valianholt: well, i think nokia will dump a load of differentiation on top of any OS, closed source, really :P
Jan 17 19:58:35 <hena> :/
Jan 17 19:59:59 <Stskeeps> valianholt: http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#Questions_.26_Answers_about_Harmattan might be a hint on what would be released, if at all, by nokia, at some point
Jan 17 20:04:23 <valianholt> I see
Jan 17 20:04:24 <valianholt> thx
Jan 17 20:04:41 <Stskeeps> hopefully they'll course correct and get on real meego horse :)
Jan 17 20:06:29 <valianholt> so basically, MeeGo is just the base OS, what we saw on N900 etc., but they awaiting boom/big success from Nokia, will be mainly harmattan merit?
Jan 17 20:06:43 <valianholt> same like N900 = debian base + very cool fremantle
Jan 17 20:06:58 <valianholt> the awaiting ... *
Jan 17 20:07:31 <Stskeeps> harmattan is maemo5 + 1, basically, but anyway.. what will matter is MeeGo API :)
Jan 17 20:08:15 <valianholt> k
Jan 17 20:08:35 <Stskeeps> and the SDKs there
Jan 17 20:08:43 <valianholt> cuz want to buy Dell Streak, in case that Nokia Meego device won't be announced in February
Jan 17 20:08:55 <valianholt> but still giving a chance to Nokia
Jan 17 20:08:56 <Stskeeps> isn't the streak a bit old by now?
Jan 17 20:09:23 <valianholt> new version going to be released on MWC
Jan 17 20:09:31 <valianholt> better hardware, dual core
Jan 17 20:09:46 <valianholt> I like the screen size
Jan 17 20:09:52 <valianholt> great for a GPS device :)
Jan 17 20:10:33 <valianholt> but I don't know, android is still somehow not interesting to me, boring OS with bunch of apps
Jan 17 20:10:55 <valianholt> I had two N900s but sold each, waiting for someting better
Jan 17 20:14:32 * timeless_xchat cries
Jan 17 20:14:51 * timeless_xchat really shouldn't try to do work while on vacation 
Jan 17 20:15:10 <timeless_xchat> service notice: mxr.meego.com is down until i undo it
Jan 17 20:30:45 <hena> could the atom packages be named as ia32, same as the platform, in the future? :)
Jan 17 20:31:35 <Stskeeps> if you recode all the scripts, sure ;)
Jan 17 20:32:28 <hena> hehe
Jan 17 21:06:42 <lcuk> what specific image and video codecs are included in the open source maemo release from repositories?  and are these formats supported for generation by the camera software
Jan 17 21:07:03 <lcuk> ie so that can make photos and videos from onboard camera and view/share them :)
Jan 17 21:35:29 <steven_> So I'm looking at meego & it looks pretty cool.  Just wondering what the UI is built on.
Jan 17 21:50:34 <GAN900> steven_, depends on which UX.
Jan 17 21:50:39 <GAN900> Ideally Qt, though.
Jan 17 21:52:33 <fiferboy> Netbook UX is Gtk-based at the moment :(
Jan 17 21:53:18 <hena> at the moment, that's so great :)
Jan 17 21:53:54 <fiferboy> I am nothing it not optimistic
Jan 17 21:53:54 <hena> not that i prefer anything, but all of my most needes apps are gtk only ;)
Jan 17 21:55:01 <fiferboy> Qt support on the Netbook UX is decent for the time being
Jan 17 21:55:12 <fiferboy> Except if you need mysql capabilities...
Jan 17 21:57:13 <steven_> Why would mysql & qt be needed on a netbook?  Seems like SQLite would be better for embedded operations.
Jan 17 21:58:54 <hena> i needed it
Jan 17 21:59:13 <hena> local databases are always needed
Jan 17 21:59:30 <fiferboy> sqlite is fine for local storage, but if you want to communicate or sync with a server mysql makes that easier
Jan 17 21:59:59 <hena> well, i wanna have a local copy of drupal on my netbook for reason foo
Jan 17 22:00:24 <hena> doesn't sound so unreasonable scenario
Jan 17 22:00:43 <steven_> Guess my point was MySQL tends to be overkill for most things.  I once wrote an MMO that ran off of SQLite & that was 4 or 5 years ago.
Jan 17 22:01:38 <hena> but it's still widely used
Jan 17 22:01:44 <steven_> Sooo umm just curious by why not just use an ODBC driver for that stuff?
Jan 17 22:01:51 <CosmoHill> :)
Jan 17 22:02:22 <hena> i guess it just comes down to why not
Jan 17 22:02:25 <steven_> That way you stay Database agnostic & don't have to worry about Oracle pulling something sneaky with it.
Jan 17 22:02:28 <fiferboy> steven_: You mean the generic ODBC to communicate with a server?
Jan 17 22:03:32 <steven_> Yes I do.  I'm not saying for everything, I'm just saying in instances where you want to communicate with a remote MySQL instance, ODBC might be a better way to go in most cases.
Jan 17 22:04:09 <CosmoHill> lcuk: my results are various shades of awesome :D
Jan 17 22:04:22 <fiferboy> steven_: The Qt documentation says a native driver should be given preference to the ODBC driver
Jan 17 22:04:57 <fiferboy> I already had a mysql database setup on a server, and I thought native driver would be the way to go (since I was already using it on other platforms)
Jan 17 22:05:29 <steven_> Wait a second... Is this an app you have complete control over?
Jan 17 22:06:20 <fiferboy> This is an app I have written for my own personal usage and allowed to connect to a user-defined central database for syncing
Jan 17 22:06:51 <hena> personal reasons for these things are always bad
Jan 17 22:07:03 <hena> it's resources vs consensus
Jan 17 22:11:26 <steven_> In that case you're probably correct.  I was thinking a more typical scenario.  Anyways, ODBC allows you to be agnostic, and I'm pretty sure QT supports it just fine.
Jan 17 23:58:59 <timeless_xchat> oh, mxr.meego.com should be working again (as of a couple of hours ago actually)
Jan 18 02:11:51 <CosmoHill> cyas
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