**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 02:59:57 2011 Jan 18 05:06:09 Hi Jan 18 05:10:52 Hi DawnFoster ;) Jan 18 05:11:47 hi Ulf_ :) Jan 18 05:30:05 wb andyross Jan 18 05:31:59 is there anyone who knows about 'duihome'? Jan 18 05:32:31 i've got source code from git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-home.git Jan 18 05:32:57 and i have a question about that. Jan 18 05:33:12 anyone else? Jan 18 05:47:25 Stskeeps, are you there? Jan 18 05:50:54 wassupnari, I think he isn't at work yet, remember we all aren't in the same time zone Jan 18 05:51:17 wassupnari, he has been idle for a 8,5 hours now Jan 18 05:54:44 i see Jan 18 05:55:16 where can i check someone's status? Jan 18 05:55:57 Hmm Jan 18 06:02:55 hi is http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/ the Meego 1.2 trunk? Jan 18 06:06:02 tcs-meego: http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/1.1.80/ is Jan 18 06:06:31 Ulf__: thanks Jan 18 06:30:38 hi, is there a executable 'duihome' plugin? Jan 18 06:48:51 how do i develop for the Meego 1.2 trunk using the SDK? Jan 18 07:47:17 morning Jan 18 08:01:04 hello everyone Jan 18 08:03:47 i just started messing around with this, and im used to apt-get style installs. im reading alot in the wiki about yum and apt-get, those commands arent pressent on the system. how do i get yum onto my system? Jan 18 08:04:31 thatguyisjames: zypper? Jan 18 08:05:02 thatguyisjames: http://wiki.meego.com/Zypper Jan 18 08:05:50 thankyou, that was the missing link, ive never heard of that. Jan 18 08:05:58 *runs off and reads* Jan 18 08:40:10 hi, all, how to compile the meego kernel kernel-2.6.35.3-12.3.src.rpm? you can find it in this website: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.6.20101116.1/core/repos/source/ Jan 18 08:44:17 tyson_: what's the problem? Jan 18 09:02:38 thiago_osl: sorry for now answer you....i solve it.. thank you for your kindly. Jan 18 09:02:57 you're welcome Jan 18 09:24:42 hi Jan 18 09:27:34 on the page http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu is described that you can download the nand image after entering the imei. i did that, but there is no nand image. Jan 18 09:30:58 page is old Jan 18 09:32:03 Stskeeps: To refresh, is there now a QEmu based ARM Meego image where one can compile stuff? =) Jan 18 09:32:39 RST38h: supposedly it's supposed to be released alongside normal releases Jan 18 09:32:53 Yes, but is there a usable one? Jan 18 09:35:02 not my area, but check repo.meego.com Jan 18 09:45:24 okay. now I downloaded http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php?f=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-demo-1.1.0.0.20101109.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 and try to start it with qemu-system-arm -M n900. none optins like -sd -hda or -mtdblock will work. anyone can help on this ? Jan 18 09:46:21 that won't work, probably, not a qemu image Jan 18 09:47:32 hmm. this is all really diappointing. half of the doc / wiki pages atre out of date and none of the actions work. Jan 18 09:48:07 Stskeeps, do you know where qemu can be found ? Jan 18 09:48:42 oops Jan 18 09:48:46 i mean qemu images Jan 18 09:59:16 lbt: could you activate my account for the community meego obs? Jan 18 10:04:54 bricks: sure - open source apps only - yes? Jan 18 10:05:19 no 'meego rebuilds' please :) Jan 18 10:06:12 how do I get access to build.meego.com Jan 18 10:06:36 I want to maintain the package for 'subversion' as per http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Maintainers it says there are no maintainers Jan 18 10:06:36 lbt: yes. i am the maemo package maintainer of kde's kontact touch Jan 18 10:07:07 lbt: so i wan't to work on these packages for meego too Jan 18 10:07:30 bricks: great ... (shoulda said "done") Jan 18 10:07:54 stylesen: there's a bug reporting process to get an account Jan 18 10:08:25 lbt: any wiki pages which elaborates on that? Jan 18 10:08:33 stylesen: you may want to get a community account and maintain it there.... Jan 18 10:08:37 lbt: thanks Jan 18 10:08:54 lbt: I have community obs account Jan 18 10:09:07 should I put a package for subversion in community obs first? Jan 18 10:09:13 yes Jan 18 10:09:16 I would Jan 18 10:09:52 what happens after I put my package in community obs? I am not sure how it works from there Jan 18 10:10:19 me neither :) Jan 18 10:11:05 stylesen: there's no real way, but if you want to maintain subversion, you usually have to have a build.meego.com account Jan 18 10:11:27 auke, hello, I use slim as DM and execute .xinitrc when login, with 'ck-launch-session /usr/sbin/uxlaunch` in .xinitrc, and I've comment out setup_consolekit_session() in uxlaunch.c, but now network manager and date/time setting failed to work, could you give me some suggestions? Jan 18 10:11:41 Stskeeps: but how to get that build.meego.com account is my question, is there a process wiki somewhere? Jan 18 10:12:04 stylesen: build.meego.com -> community infrastructure -> build service -> build service accounts Jan 18 10:12:08 Stskeeps: this - http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines does not help Jan 18 10:13:07 Stskeeps: build.meego.com does not have any link 'community infrastructure' :( Jan 18 10:13:14 stylesen: bugs.meego.com, sorry Jan 18 10:15:02 Stskeeps: should I file a new bug? Jan 18 10:15:14 es Jan 18 10:15:15 ys Jan 18 10:27:49 auke, but if I only execute `xterm` in ~/.xinitrc, and type `ck-launch-session /usr/sbin/uxlaunch -x` in xterm, all thing works Jan 18 11:15:16 auke, I re-compile slim with pam support, it all works, now, thank you a lot~ Jan 18 11:46:50 Hello, I've got source code from http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-home Jan 18 11:47:00 but i don't know how to build it Jan 18 11:48:08 I'm currently working on Qt Creator + MeeGo emulator, and I copied this source code to /usr/src Jan 18 11:49:39 if I try to make this folder, like "qmake" or "make", then "Unable to find file for inclusion check.pri" warning msg comes out Jan 18 11:49:57 anyone else have an idea? Jan 18 12:57:55 Jaffa: worst part is that i think there might be good legal reasons why not to have in it, given patent situation(s) Jan 18 12:58:23 it's however also about saying it straight because the current FEA# stuff is just awful :) Jan 18 12:59:49 Stskeeps, where did this part of discussion start? Jan 18 13:00:12 lcuk: mwkn posting my question to meego-pm@ about NTFS Jan 18 13:00:33 don't MS have a patent on NTFS? Jan 18 13:00:47 there is some murky situation, at least Jan 18 13:01:00 forget any of that Jan 18 13:01:18 on the bug Jan 18 13:01:21 theres a thread Jan 18 13:01:28 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533 Jan 18 13:01:51 yes, i know Jan 18 13:01:53 bottom of the first page has a list of precautions that cause goosebumps for my data Jan 18 13:02:09 but that could have been the reasoning, the FEA# was closed in very vague terms Jan 18 13:02:24 which will come back to haunt us Jan 18 13:02:46 which part? Jan 18 13:02:55 the closing or the reasoning? Jan 18 13:03:09 reasoning wasn't good Jan 18 13:04:03 it claims there's no open source solution, which is balantly wrong Jan 18 13:04:12 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-pm/2011-January/000032.html then looks really funny afterwards Jan 18 13:04:33 Stskeeps, does the open source driver operate on x86 and arm? Jan 18 13:04:49 yes, fuse based afaik Jan 18 13:05:31 but if the forum is right, it does not actually create NTFS volumes in same manner as the official implementation? Jan 18 13:05:48 lcuk: there's two drivers Jan 18 13:06:02 are both OSS GPLv2? Jan 18 13:06:05 afaik Jan 18 13:06:52 with the level of FUD< perhaps the cautious approach is/was warranted Jan 18 13:07:28 but the clarifications you have asked for on the PM- list would sort that if they come :) Jan 18 13:08:07 yes, which is not much to ask for Jan 18 13:08:51 it just seems funny when that announcement comes out, i mean Jan 18 13:09:17 it should be said "there is patent/IPR issues related to this that would make including it difficult" Jan 18 13:09:35 but "there is no open source implementation due to licensing issues" is just wrong :P Jan 18 13:11:31 Stskeeps, http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/chapter-legal.html Jan 18 13:12:16 have a read, it shows that statement is not just wrong. Bottom bit about mp3 Jan 18 13:12:39 mm Jan 18 13:12:52 Meego Netbook UX bug meeting in #meego-meeting any bugs filed that need pushing for netbooks obtained at meego conf should be brought up there Jan 18 13:13:03 (or netbook in general) Jan 18 13:13:13 Stskeeps, I don't like it but that's what lawyers came up with... Jan 18 13:13:46 arfoll: well, it's more fair to write that "there's concerns about NTFS patents and hence Tuxera's NTFS-3G implementation is problematic" Jan 18 13:14:29 Stskeeps, agree totally, but you said "just wrong". I think unfriendly and useless public response would have been fairer ;-) Jan 18 13:14:44 true Jan 18 13:16:10 sigh... Jan 18 13:16:46 meego-US fork with patent considerations included Jan 18 13:17:24 hena: well, i can understand it to a degree Jan 18 13:17:59 i'm personally not happy with feeling like there was some undercut deal though, hence asking for specific reasoning Jan 18 13:30:22 I was using "sudo ./scripts/create.sh 1.1.80.14.20110111.8 1 pandaboard"... Jan 18 13:30:25 I am able to download the packages. But, it ends with the error .. Jan 18 13:30:45 passwd: Libuser error at line: 206 - error locking file: Bad file descriptor. Removing password for user sshd. Jan 18 13:31:28 Any help? Jan 18 13:35:46 hmmm the handset image that booted on my pb.onetwo does not get past boot menu Jan 18 13:39:01 lcuk, did it build and create complete directory 1.1.80.xx.xxxxx ?? Jan 18 13:40:10 raghum, I just inserted usb stick in same machine as : http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg Jan 18 13:41:41 it got to boot menu, and I booted from it (not needing to install or anything) Jan 18 13:41:48 and just got grey screen with flashing cursor Jan 18 13:41:56 handset ftw. :D Jan 18 13:42:28 arghh Jan 18 13:42:36 describing wrong Jan 18 13:42:43 the NETBOOK image does not boot Jan 18 13:42:47 the HANDSET image does boot Jan 18 13:44:34 handset boots to X and gets a dodgy looking uiu, netbook does not boot at all Jan 18 13:56:38 Stskeeps: And, as you were asked to in the keynote at the conf, it's good to have someone reminding the project about this :-) Jan 18 13:58:30 Jaffa: true Jan 18 13:58:36 * Stskeeps did a followup now that his mind is clearer Jan 18 14:05:03 Huomenta. I want to put 1.2 on a Class 6 SD card to demonstrate the handset image on an N900. Right now I have 1.1 on a Class 2 card, which is not very fast. Does anyone have a recommendation for a 1.2-version image to use that will best illustrate stability and performance? ;-) Or should I just stick with 1.1 for now? Jan 18 14:08:25 Alison_Chaiken, the n900 adaption team are working towards numerous speed/stability improvements: vsync, power management, hardfp etc - the power managemenet looks like it will not only lengthen battery life but also gain upto 20% performance Jan 18 14:08:45 however the images with these changes are not yet on daily testing (from what I can gather) Jan 18 14:09:02 Alison_Chaiken: 1.1 'demo' image from tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php is usually good for marketing, 1.2 is the wild west but rapidly going towards something nice :P **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 14:13:58 2011 Jan 18 14:38:17 vgrade: ping Jan 18 14:42:28 fiferboy, ping, did you see the message I sent the other day? Jan 18 14:42:35 would something like that be feasible? Jan 18 14:43:33 lcuk: pong, I'm not sure where one would start for that Jan 18 14:44:16 well you have an app core which allows you to go birdwatching and log/record the important rare birds you see Jan 18 14:44:24 why not just turn that to tech spotting?! Jan 18 14:45:05 "omg I saw a quad core ARM device with dual mode capacitive/resistive screen at FOSDEM" for instance ;) Jan 18 14:45:24 anyone know what gupnp is being used for? Jan 18 14:45:49 jedix: UPnP sounds like a candidate? Jan 18 14:45:56 jedix: dlna/upnp? Jan 18 14:46:09 yes, but for what feature/device? Jan 18 14:46:33 jedix: general support and maemo5 supported upnp? Jan 18 14:46:37 there's gupnp, gupnp-av, -vala and -ui Jan 18 14:46:39 i guess it's useful in meego tv and handset, at least Jan 18 14:46:47 jedix: mediaplayer should support it. Jan 18 14:47:05 ah, for dlna tvs and such? Jan 18 14:47:07 Easy media discovery on your network. Jan 18 14:47:39 I was kinda hoping one of these were planned to be used for nokia's terminal mode Jan 18 14:48:00 jedix: there's some TM stuff on mailing list, at least Jan 18 14:48:10 jedix: Well Nokia strongly supports DLNA. Jan 18 14:49:15 lcuk: I gotcha. I had considered that at some point, just an arbitrary listing app Jan 18 14:49:17 Stskeeps: which one? it's so hard to find these things because of the crappy name choice Jan 18 14:49:36 lcuk: I am currently working toward a book/DVD/CD oriented version Jan 18 14:50:38 fiferboy, collaboration and teamwork in different locations to find the rarest machines Jan 18 14:51:04 fiferboy, http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/2011/01/17/worlds-most-expensive-nokia-phones/ Jan 18 14:51:10 for example Jan 18 14:51:20 lcuk: A collaborative application like that would be interesting Jan 18 14:51:41 fiferboy, followup would be "boot meego on them" :) Jan 18 14:52:22 The problem I am facing right now is time constraints Jan 18 14:53:01 for sure, it would need skills from many areas I bet Jan 18 14:53:57 fiferboy, how about we just spec it out over coming weeks Jan 18 14:54:17 lcuk: That sounds like a plan Jan 18 14:54:43 \o Jan 18 14:54:51 o/ Jan 18 14:55:36 Community Office meeting starting in 10 minutes in #meego-meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jan 18 14:56:06 Topic is brainstorming website improvements (developer.meego.com, meego.com home page & projects tab on meego.com) Jan 18 14:56:18 anyone is welcome to join! Jan 18 14:57:52 technical question: can meegobot "mirror" discussions on -meeting channel (or one of the other meego ones) so that when this main channel is quite we could fill it with content from other meego places? :) (obviously moderator controlled and able to be switched off as required) Jan 18 14:58:01 so many things pop for "terminal" Jan 18 14:59:14 lcuk, usecase? Jan 18 14:59:37 andre__, when #meego is quite since everyone is talking in -meeting for instance Jan 18 15:00:16 lcuk, so? what problem do you see that it would solve/improve? Jan 18 15:00:17 many days theres a whole lot of activity in #meego-arm #meego-meeting #meego-qa-tools #meego-qa and this channel sits idle Jan 18 15:00:37 lcuk: you should be constantly monitoring ALL of the meego channels just case someone says something interesting :) Jan 18 15:00:40 giving a sense of inactivity Jan 18 15:00:59 DawnFoster, :) I do.. Jan 18 15:01:04 I see this channel as the most generic one that people start with, and if they have a specific topic I'd redirect them to a more specific one. That's what I'm used to in other projects too Jan 18 15:01:32 lcuk: you probably do a better job if it than I do! Jan 18 15:02:00 what channel should I go for terminal mode? Jan 18 15:02:03 lcuk, inactivity? what's the problem with it? bad impression to new people here, or something else? Jan 18 15:02:39 andre__, fragmentation in a way Jan 18 15:02:54 since its easy to miss stuff Jan 18 15:03:29 i have started logging all my urls posted into a daily report of what I push on different meego channels Jan 18 15:03:49 it's even easier for me if there's talk all of the time here, as it'd be too much for me to follow (got other work to do too) Jan 18 15:05:06 andre__, perhaps the mirroring totally would not be better, but digesting it and acking this channel with whats being discussed in the other channels would be reasonable? it can spark more conversation Jan 18 15:05:21 hmm. Jan 18 15:06:27 and community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jan 18 15:11:26 Now, DawnFoster?! Aren't you in Oregon? You and Quim go back to bed. (I'm about to go running in the dark with dumbbells for reasons even I can't explain.) Jan 18 15:11:39 Heh Jan 18 15:11:51 Alison_Chaiken: it's only 7am :) Jan 18 15:11:51 :D DawnFoster - anidel arrived based on twitter meeting reminder Jan 18 15:12:03 dang europeans and morning meetings :) Jan 18 15:12:13 yup I did :) Jan 18 15:12:29 I guess I'm looking to speak to Joel Jan 18 15:12:35 how is Canada anidel? Jan 18 15:12:37 as he's listed on the feature bug Jan 18 15:12:48 Them Europeans should learn up our languages and choose better timezones. Nähdään! Jan 18 15:13:25 lcuk: you can be our meeting recruiter / evangelist from now on :) Jan 18 15:13:34 welcome anidel Jan 18 15:15:05 thanks DawnFoster... Jan 18 15:18:21 anidel, have you tried xournal on capacitive ideapad yet? Jan 18 15:19:22 yes , someone ported the Desktop version to it and I tried it... I am discussing in xournal-devel with other folks how to best restructure the code so to create a Xournal library with the logic and have different UIs Jan 18 15:21:01 cool anidel Jan 18 15:21:49 I really wish it could be faster... I may drop a Qt "hack" version soon and later "switch" to this better structured version...we'll see Jan 18 15:22:34 anidel, do you know where the desktop version is? Jan 18 15:23:09 what do you mean? for MeeGo ? Jan 18 15:23:09 and who ported it, perhaps putting it onto the http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Jan 18 15:23:12 yes Jan 18 15:23:23 get the packaging tweaks up quickly Jan 18 15:23:25 ah it's in the S10-3t Improvements thread on the forum... mmm Jan 18 15:23:32 for the version that "works" Jan 18 15:23:34 it was added to one of those first community repos... Jan 18 15:23:48 whilst all the other changes occur longer term Jan 18 15:23:59 ahh, me did not see when looking Jan 18 15:25:19 [lcuk@lcuk-desktop:~]$ zypper se xournal Jan 18 15:25:19 Loading repository data... Jan 18 15:25:19 Reading installed packages... Jan 18 15:25:19 No packages found. Jan 18 15:25:33 hang on Jan 18 15:26:33 it's Timoph repository Jan 18 15:26:43 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13301#post13301 Jan 18 15:27:41 roger anidel ! I wonder where that repo went to in my list then Jan 18 15:28:03 :) Jan 18 15:28:35 ahh ahhhhhhhh I know Jan 18 15:30:17 what was it? Jan 18 15:30:49 i moved all my repos out whilst tesing something a couple of days ago Jan 18 15:35:11 lcuk: I see :) Jan 18 15:55:07 sabotage, end users should have simplified feedback reporting subsystems from the apps themselves: "Ooops your app crashed, wanna send a coredump" "hey it broke, tell us what went wrong: ... " than them having to learn about whole process, but of course I am pie in the sky (should list current ux screens too) Jan 18 15:56:10 lcuk: I don't disagree... but that was not the point of the topic at hand... we're talking about project management infra... not end users interaction with the project Jan 18 15:56:30 yip Jan 18 16:04:30 Is there any recommended hardware that will run the MeeGo car UI? Jan 18 16:05:10 trevorj, I am guessing a car would be high on the dependencies at some point. Jan 18 16:05:46 What did I miss from the community meeting? Jan 18 16:05:57 lcuk: I suppose so Jan 18 16:06:36 maclaver, 52 minutes of a 60minute active meeting with lots of discussion about layout and extending into hosted services Jan 18 16:06:42 Let's say I somehow managed to procure such a thing Jan 18 16:06:59 :( Jan 18 16:07:19 maclaver, theres full minutes and breakdown available in just a few minutes once the meeting closes Jan 18 16:07:37 how are you doing today? Jan 18 16:07:52 I will check it out, it has been a hectic day. Jan 18 16:11:01 maclaver: Jan 18 16:11:03 Meeting ended Tue Jan 18 16:01:52 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) Jan 18 16:11:03 Minutes: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-01-18-14.59.html Jan 18 16:11:03 Minutes (text): http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-01-18-14.59.txt Jan 18 16:11:03 Log: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-01-18-14.59.log.html Jan 18 16:11:06 thanks everyone! Jan 18 16:11:59 Looks like an interesting meeting. Jan 18 16:12:16 (Based on the text), pity I was late Jan 18 16:12:58 was lively for sure :) Jan 18 16:16:30 trevorj, regarding IVI, info and testability seems to be somewhat less exposed than with handset or netbook instances, perhaps review the IVI mailing list or post questions there Jan 18 16:19:11 lcuk: will do, ty Jan 18 16:42:25 alterego, ping, your gps bugs are in motion Jan 18 16:42:48 bug 10926 Jan 18 16:42:51 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10926 is not accessible Jan 18 16:42:58 bug 11442 Jan 18 16:43:01 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11442 enh, Undecided, ---, michael.leibowitz, RESO READYFORINTEGRATION, [FEA] QtMobility Location API needs backend plugin Jan 18 16:43:24 Yes, I saw :D Jan 18 16:43:45 This means that Columbus can hopefully be out for 1.2 :) Jan 18 16:44:32 you need a yacht for publicity shots! Jan 18 16:44:52 I started porting it to a MTF based system a few days ago. Jan 18 16:45:18 Basically the UX is all custom Qt, so it's fine. Except for menus & dialogs, which are somewhat Qt and in some places Maemo 5 specific. Jan 18 16:45:34 So I started work on a MeeGo menu/dialog setup. Jan 18 16:45:58 So I now have columbus (Maemo 5) and columbus (MeeGo MTF) projects. Jan 18 16:46:16 Oh, and a "columbus-common" project. Jan 18 16:55:06 lcuk: do you think it's harsh having the maemo version FOSS and the meego version commercial? :D Jan 18 17:09:19 alterego, Open Source applications in app stores have similar quandry Jan 18 17:10:38 I personally see no problem with it but there is the problem of trivial tweaks being submitted by non author porting only builds Jan 18 17:15:50 lcuk: alterego: per the discussion on #meego-meeting earlier today... Jan 18 17:15:53 bug 12589 Jan 18 17:15:56 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12589 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Allow addition of 3rd party Components into bugs.meego.com Jan 18 17:16:22 feel free to vote/comment/rant as needed ;) Jan 18 17:16:28 great stuff sabotage \o added cc for now Jan 18 17:16:32 rant. Jan 18 17:16:57 andre__ == same andre that posted comment 1 on that bug? Jan 18 17:17:03 yes. Jan 18 17:17:08 if so, thanks! Jan 18 17:17:13 heh. welcome... Jan 18 17:18:22 while I personally feel that BMC will quickly become a bottleneck for 3rd party apps, I'm all for "sabotaging" the system to get things moving in the right direction Jan 18 17:18:57 if at some point we find it unsuitable for community bug needs, I guess we cross that bridge when we get there Jan 18 17:19:20 yes Jan 18 17:19:35 sabotage, but bugzilla itself has proven itself capable for many needs Jan 18 17:19:45 no disagreement Jan 18 17:20:18 my issue stems from those admining/controling it and how they manage the schema[s] Jan 18 17:20:25 the andre__ add on component to bugzilla also helps make it run smoothly! Jan 18 17:20:43 heh ;) Jan 18 17:21:00 sabotage, can you elaborate on the issues? :) Jan 18 17:21:57 I'm interested in problems experienced Jan 18 17:22:18 I'd have to dig through old emails for the details, but one example was QA duplicating bugs that had been planned for 1.1, missed it and now are planned for 1.2 Jan 18 17:22:27 rather than simply changing the target Jan 18 17:22:40 yeah, awesome heavy weight processes, aren't they? :-P Jan 18 17:22:58 others were around requests for additional flags, or the removal of them for certain products/components Jan 18 17:23:07 Dave Woodhouse also complained about that cloning stuff already Jan 18 17:23:15 also the addition of new HW/platforms, lots of resistance there too Jan 18 17:23:42 sabotage: product/comp reorg is definitely on the way, but I wonder if it has ever been communicated in the open. and yes, I've criticized that before... Jan 18 17:23:55 adding new HW/platforms: anything specific / bug IDs you can point to? Jan 18 17:24:40 andre__: I'm on the "inside" and this comment from you is the first i've heard of impending reorg in BMC Jan 18 17:24:45 I think the problem is the "agreeing" on something in Error management (no open process), maybe combined with the old "ignoring requests means less work" classic Jan 18 17:24:57 does that say anything about how we communicate :/ Jan 18 17:25:46 sabotage, yeah, cool, isn't it? private emails instead of public mailing lists rock! Jan 18 17:25:50 and that for some 3rd party projects, "ignoring" may be just good enough... while others would need to be managed more closely Jan 18 17:26:33 it's on my list (now that I'm considered part of MeeGo error management) to answer by default on any private mail "why isn't this on the qa mailing list". Jan 18 17:26:46 however, consdering the mindsets I deal with, this might take a while. Jan 18 17:26:57 this fact alone will be hard to manage in a combined BMC that serves both official MeeGo release management processes *AND* free form per-project community components Jan 18 17:27:31 * sabotage learns there's a "qa" ML :P Jan 18 17:27:42 well, I survived that in bugs.maemo.org too... just need to be careful with group memberships etc I assume, but maybe I'm naive Jan 18 17:28:04 fabo: ok to use old name for first integration and obsolete later? Jan 18 17:28:10 well, to be clear... I knew there was one, but I had no inkling I might be marginally interested in it content ;) Jan 18 17:28:26 mikeleib: take it to meego-packaging :P Jan 18 17:28:29 sabotage, feel free to post to it in case of issues that need a push (silence is a popular answer though). ;-) Jan 18 17:28:42 lcuk: well, in this case I can in theory make the MeeGo UX closed but keep the engine and support libs open. Jan 18 17:28:54 * lcuk shudders Jan 18 17:29:13 alterego, the qtm components which are data source are already open Jan 18 17:29:31 sabotage: meh Jan 18 17:29:37 hehe ;) Jan 18 17:30:26 lcuk: I have a layer on top of that which implements waypoints, routes, logging, streaming, plugins etc. Jan 18 17:30:31 Basically, the app engine. Jan 18 17:30:58 That uses QtMobility Jan 18 17:31:42 lcuk: well, we'll see how far donations go in the maemo version ... Jan 18 17:31:52 * alterego doesn't expect much if anything tbh ;) Jan 18 17:32:16 sabotage, the dialer component wiki page Jan 18 17:32:31 are there any screenshots that could be put onto it Jan 18 17:33:31 lcuk: I had some old ones at one time... could take some more again Jan 18 17:33:42 TBH, it looks like _crap_ ATM Jan 18 17:34:02 the meego reference theme is sadly out of date with the base theme :( Jan 18 17:35:01 sabotage, hrm which versions of themes are you meaning? Jan 18 17:35:23 be explicit and descriptive when you say reference/base (best to show picture examples) Jan 18 17:35:48 alterego: re: waypoints, routes, logging, etc -- what are you making? Jan 18 17:35:48 meegotouch-theme == base Jan 18 17:35:57 meegotouch-theme-meego == reference Jan 18 17:36:44 sabotage, so whats the differences and reasons for them, and would it would take a theme ninja to get them back into sync? Jan 18 17:36:54 I suggested that they ought to merge so as to keep them in sync, be never got a reply/interest from the Nokia theme maintainers Jan 18 17:37:01 mikeleib: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jan 18 17:37:05 I suspect there was some politics involved Jan 18 17:37:37 sabotage, both are open? Jan 18 17:37:41 mikeleib: it's a GPS navigation app more in the vein of a handheld GPS receiver, it also logs to file, streams over bluetooth, network or acts as a usb serial device. Jan 18 17:37:41 yes Jan 18 17:38:22 hmm so it needs a bug filed against one so that we can update it Jan 18 17:38:23 alterego: any geocaching.com integration plans? Jan 18 17:38:36 sabotage: it has a plugins system, it's not out of the question. Jan 18 17:38:36 (since obviously integration can only occur with bug numbers :P) Jan 18 17:38:40 lcuk: it needs a maintainer, fulltime Jan 18 17:38:48 sabotage, theme ninja :P Jan 18 17:38:52 alterego: nice. is it OSS? Jan 18 17:39:02 mikeleib: yes Jan 18 17:39:05 that used to be me, but I couldn't manage both it and dialer and platform integration and ... Jan 18 17:39:20 sabotage, ok Jan 18 17:39:21 I need a job, if it's paying I'll do it :P Jan 18 17:39:59 lcuk: there is an "owner" now, but he's not active on it anymore AFAICS Jan 18 17:40:03 alterego: spiffy! where's can I grab the source? What license? Jan 18 17:40:05 sabotage, theres a few prospective theme oriented people around, but I am guessing its less theme twiddling and more bit moving Jan 18 17:40:35 mikeleib: gpl and lgpl I've not put it in gitorious yet, but you can get the source in the maemo extras-devel and extras-testing repositories. Jan 18 17:40:38 IMNSHO, there is ZERO reason for us to have these as two seperate theme packages Jan 18 17:41:01 mikeleib: it's a little messy and as I'm adding my v1 features I'm doing a bit of cleaning up. Jan 18 17:41:21 alterego: spiffy. I'm also working on some location software for meego Jan 18 17:41:30 sabotage, where are the gitwebs for these themes Jan 18 17:41:31 mikeleib: what's the nature of yours? :) Jan 18 17:41:35 some of it is not open source yet :) Jan 18 17:41:45 but some of the framework stuff is Jan 18 17:41:46 something I can point people to when trying to describe them and what might be needed Jan 18 17:41:50 lcuk: it's largely a taks of keeping up to date with every change in libmeegotouch and meegotouch-theme and making corresponding adjustments in meegotouch-theme-meego as needed Jan 18 17:42:13 mikeleib: well, I wouldn't say mine is strictly open source, as the source isn't prepared and there's no license attached to it yet. Jan 18 17:42:15 meego.gitorious.org/something... Jan 18 17:42:28 alterego: I would really like to be able to get a hiking/geocaching app started. I know sabotage also really wants to do it. We need time. I think both of our preference would be to work int he open Jan 18 17:42:36 mikeleib: but you can download the source from the extras repos :) Jan 18 17:42:52 mikeleib: well, that's what my app is aimed at. Jan 18 17:42:56 hiking, cycling etc. Jan 18 17:43:06 lcuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meegotouch-theme-meego Jan 18 17:43:07 Though the statistics area needs some work. Jan 18 17:43:09 lcuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-theme Jan 18 17:43:55 sabotage, so they are identical clones of each other? Jan 18 17:44:01 or should be Jan 18 17:44:30 lcuk: not, not in the least Jan 18 17:45:03 MTF themes are CSS based, and therefore one is built on top of the other as the set of deviations from the base Jan 18 17:45:44 * alterego wonders if Qt will ever get themed properly in MeeGo ::P Jan 18 17:47:18 roger sabotage Jan 18 17:47:32 just looking for any related bugs and will try to collate this information into a bug Jan 18 17:48:33 holy crap! bug 12513 I could drive to persons house faster than bringing up their info! Jan 18 17:48:37 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12513 maj, Undecided, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [Trunk:Testing] [REG] IVI: It takes >25 seconds to launch Dialer/People Jan 18 17:49:43 AAAAA/AAAAA26 Jan 18 17:49:51 ignore that :/ Jan 18 17:50:09 sorry, drive-by interrupt... Jan 18 17:50:15 bug 9540 Jan 18 17:50:18 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9540 nor, Medium, ---, ossama.othman, NEW, Theme can not be changed. Jan 18 17:50:30 lcuk: IOW, you must have meegotouch-theme in order for meegotouch-theme-meego to even work Jan 18 17:51:30 ok sabotage, am just hunting for whether its been filed as issue already Jan 18 17:52:36 many of my own (dialer) bugs are directly related to outdated theme Jan 18 17:52:59