**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011 Jan 19 03:39:54 May i ask why meego is coming along so slowly? Jan 19 03:41:15 When talking to a few fellow developers they are all dismissing meego Jan 19 03:42:26 Is anybody in this room or have you all given up too? Jan 19 03:46:11 I am a developer - humor me meego people.... Excite me Jan 19 04:14:34 Sceptic left, but anyone have anything to say? From what I hear, the MeeGo devs are trying to finish up ironing out the bugs from the big merge, but that there are a number of device manufacturers making products using MeeGo Jan 19 04:18:27 I have something to say: I'm going to sleep. Night everyone. Jan 19 04:18:51 any one here installed meego on hsg-x5a telechips 9802 Jan 19 06:48:40 bry (hi) Jan 19 07:11:30 hi, is there anyone who have tried this : http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004952.html Jan 19 07:12:25 i have question about last 2 libraries.. Jan 19 07:39:09 good morning all Jan 19 08:33:54 Cambridge Network Meeting 2 Feb. http://www.facebook.com/?sk=group_192977094048912 Jan 19 08:35:25 woops,let me fix that link Jan 19 08:42:26 ok, fixed Jan 19 09:31:50 I getting error "passwd: Libuser error at line: 206 - error locking file: Bad file descriptor.", at the end installation of 1.1.80.14.20110111.8 of Meego Trunk Jan 19 09:32:11 I getting error "passwd: Libuser error at line: 206 - error locking file: Bad file descriptor.", at the end installation of l1.1.80.14.20110111.8 of Meego Trunk Jan 19 09:32:34 sorry duplicate query Jan 19 09:33:33 is there any permission setting on the host that I should take care off.. Jan 19 09:38:00 raghum, perhaps get the latest update and try again? when you say installing - which image are you getting and instructions are you following? Jan 19 09:46:33 lcuk, I tried couple of other installations, for pandaboard, all of them end with the same passwd: error Jan 19 09:47:31 raghum, ok - since you are looking at the panda, the specialists who may guide you better all huddle in #meego-arm Jan 19 09:47:55 they are certainly going through similar Jan 19 09:48:09 I run the following command "sudo ./scripts/create.sh 1 pandaboard ... Jan 19 09:48:24 raghum, following which instructions (url) Jan 19 09:49:17 lcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda/private-demo Jan 19 09:49:52 * lcuk shudders at "private" part of that Jan 19 09:50:11 seems somewhat endemic in a way Jan 19 09:50:27 nothing serious though.. :) Jan 19 09:50:43 lcuk: 'unofficial'? :P Jan 19 09:51:14 it borrows some gstreamer packages hosted at build.meego.com Jan 19 09:51:43 the problem is it downloads all packages correctly.. Jan 19 09:52:16 and starts "Installing .." after all the rpms are downloaded .. Jan 19 09:52:34 but at the end gives an error .. Jan 19 09:53:13 that's what get me :-( Jan 19 09:53:57 raghum, I wonder if the difference/problem is changes between 20110102 and 20110111 Jan 19 09:54:08 based on this note in the wiki "Note: The 1.1.80.4.20101102.1 is the version on the MeeGo trunk we froze at the time of development of this demo, but, as expected, this will pretty much disappear soon. " Jan 19 09:55:04 Stskeeps, can you map the wiki user names to irc people? do you know who will actually know more specifics? Jan 19 09:55:20 lcuk: nisanthmenon and co Jan 19 09:55:21 lcuk, i tried both 1.1.80.4.20101102.1 and 1.1.80.14.20110111.8 .. Jan 19 09:55:39 but it ends in the same error Jan 19 10:00:19 hrm raghum i would suggest filing a bug so it can be tracked and get to the right people, but IDK which category it should go in Jan 19 10:00:34 ask on pandaboard mailing list maybe Jan 19 10:01:29 Thanks lcuk, Stskeeps. Jan 19 10:03:20 whats the difference between instructions given and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda Jan 19 10:03:32 bah Jan 19 11:13:57 pcworld in the uk don't offer big microsd cards! Jan 19 11:13:59 http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/r/microsd/7345_70416_0/ Jan 19 11:14:08 only 2gb ones on their website, shame Jan 19 11:14:15 why would you buy from pcworld anyway Jan 19 11:14:41 lcuk, http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/r/microsdhc/0_0_0/ Jan 19 11:14:42 Myrtti, the fact its a stones throw away and other computer shops are much further Jan 19 11:14:59 Cambridge Network Meeting 2 Feb. http://www.facebook.com/?sk=group_192977094048912 Jan 19 11:14:59 o_O inz :D Jan 19 11:15:06 lcuk: go for play.com Jan 19 11:15:08 vgrade-nexus, that assumes people have facebook Jan 19 11:15:15 nm, inz solved it Jan 19 11:15:32 I got my dad's microSD cards from there, Sandisk ones come with a nice USB reader and are cheap :) Jan 19 11:15:58 IIRC It was £12 for a 4GB Class 6 with a USB reader Jan 19 11:16:13 WHY in FACEBOOK of all places Jan 19 11:19:30 CosmoHill, where is the class specified? Jan 19 11:19:37 or is it pot luck Jan 19 11:19:57 * lcuk has a growing collection of 2gb cards which dont all fit meego on Jan 19 11:20:25 hi, i'm trying to build 'meegotouch-home' Jan 19 11:20:38 should say on the card itself Jan 19 11:21:19 brik, not mentioned on any card I have here Jan 19 11:21:36 in this link : http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004952.html someone said i need those kind of libraries, Jan 19 11:21:52 ahh well, tracy is grabbing: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/lexar-microsdhc-mobile-memory-card-8gb-02667631-pdt.html Jan 19 11:21:53 so i'm trying to build them, Jan 19 11:22:33 is there anyone who know about "possibly undefined macro : AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE" error? Jan 19 11:22:51 wassupnari: you're probably better off grabbing MeeGo SDK Jan 19 11:23:13 theres a great video about lexar memory production, end to end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvf29R7nXlM Jan 19 11:23:51 oh, mine has a tiny "c 6" on the front Jan 19 11:24:14 i'm compiling on MeeGo SDK Jan 19 11:24:26 Myrtti, I added the facebook group and twitter where else would you suggest Jan 19 11:25:44 i mean, MeeGo Emulator Jan 19 11:26:18 lcuk, we still have the forum post for the Cambridge meet, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1377&page=3 Jan 19 11:28:00 vgrade-nexus, of course! Jan 19 11:43:23 * lcuk ponders a big version of invar to do whole table full of devices and scrolly messages Jan 19 11:43:34 morning ymb \o Jan 19 11:43:49 lcuk: so are you going to be attending meego cam? Jan 19 11:43:55 morning :) Jan 19 11:44:54 alterego, ou do know my actual location don't you? :P Jan 19 11:44:56 you Jan 19 11:45:52 Stskeeps : i'm compiling those libraries on MeeGo Emulator by using MADDE terminal Jan 19 11:46:04 lcuk: no, :P Jan 19 11:46:07 ok, and it doesn't support autoconf i believe Jan 19 11:46:07 Your scotland now? Jan 19 11:46:19 alterego, Manchester Jan 19 11:46:33 Oh, new it was some northern place :D Jan 19 11:46:37 s/new/knew/ Jan 19 11:46:37 alterego meant: Oh, knew it was some northern place :D Jan 19 11:46:43 it supports autotools Jan 19 11:46:56 Guess not then, I'll make sure we take some pictures ;) Jan 19 11:47:16 lcuk: Event if you're not going to be there, got any ideas for the agenda? :) Jan 19 11:47:53 Stskeeps : in /usr/bin/autoconf is running Jan 19 11:48:10 yeah, but isn't same as configure working always :) Jan 19 11:48:34 alterego, I gave you and vgrade specific things that you could both do last night. I think it would be great to show people how your columbus gps app is coming on :) Jan 19 11:48:55 same as everyone: just go and talk about what interests you! Jan 19 11:49:10 lcuk: cool, yeah, was planning on showing off my work anyway :P Jan 19 11:50:30 Stskeeps : could you be more specific? :) Jan 19 11:50:44 * lcuk twiddles thumbs Jan 19 11:50:46 Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/fm_meego# dd if=/home/user/MyDocs/fm_meego/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.15.20110117.80-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk1 Jan 19 11:50:48 I've asked the guys at Collabora if they'll be interested in joining in. Jan 19 11:50:58 lcuk: don't do that, it takes ages! Jan 19 11:51:00 Stskeeps : my autoconf version is 2.65 Jan 19 11:51:06 alterego, you are asking another one now :P Jan 19 11:51:24 It also became corrupted when I tried doing it on the device :/ Jan 19 11:51:38 lcuk: I know :P I mean the Cambridge local guys :P Jan 19 11:51:55 alterego, its good that you and vgrade are sorting out venue and agenda and I bet once its a bit more formulated people will rollup, even if its just for half hour ;) Jan 19 11:52:26 Sure, there's a lot of potential in this area. Jan 19 11:52:30 Universities etc. Jan 19 11:52:36 Stskeeps : you mean.. the configure is not working always in the same way? Jan 19 11:52:36 And, of course, ARM :D Jan 19 11:52:49 I should talk to some of my contacts at ARM actually. Jan 19 11:52:58 wassupnari: more like MADDE isn't a complete unix environment. best thing you can do is set up a OBS Jan 19 11:53:20 alterego, one of my friends is coming to London early Feb too, if he does and it matches, I might suggest we head off on a trip to CBG Jan 19 11:53:31 * lcuk just waiting to hear specific dates Jan 19 11:53:54 lcuk: oh, smart, well even if it's not on the day, I'd be happy to meet up with you for a few beers :D Jan 19 11:53:56 not sure how long he is staying in country tho Jan 19 11:54:16 alterego, yeah I was planning on getting train down to meet him and back same day Jan 19 11:54:18 Stskeeps : oh, okay, I'm setting up OBS, too. Jan 19 11:54:25 getting back from CBG on same day is harsh though Jan 19 11:54:29 really early setoff Jan 19 11:54:44 You have a better link to London? Jan 19 11:54:51 yeah its a single train Jan 19 11:55:02 thats partly why me and lardman were mentioning it the other day Jan 19 11:55:09 its easier for a lot of guys from what I can gather Jan 19 11:55:21 but still has the overnight problem Jan 19 11:55:29 Well, I'll definitely be interested in doing a MeeGo London Network too :) Jan 19 11:55:38 Stskeeps : but i think this macro errors is not depend on the build system.. isn't it? Jan 19 11:55:54 I have a friend, who's actually joining the Cambridge event, who has access to university resources down there, which would make a good free venue. Jan 19 11:55:55 wassupnari: it means automake isn't there Jan 19 11:56:07 lcuk: ah my bad, it was a SDHC, not microSD Jan 19 11:56:27 Stskeeps : I have automake, and autoconf in my system Jan 19 11:56:29 alterego: ARU or Cambridge? Jan 19 11:56:42 CosmoHill: not in Cambridge, in London :P Jan 19 11:56:50 I've got contacts in ARU though Jan 19 11:56:56 And Cambridge. Jan 19 11:57:17 I'm a student at ARU but they'd charge the room for non-students Jan 19 11:57:19 bah again Jan 19 11:57:24 dd: writing '/dev/mmcblk1': No space left on device Jan 19 11:57:24 3911681+0 records in Jan 19 11:57:24 3911680+0 records out Jan 19 11:57:30 CosmoHill: what are you studying? :) Jan 19 11:57:33 Computing Jan 19 11:57:45 CosmoHill: and do you want to come to the Camrbdige Network Meetup? Jan 19 11:57:48 lcuk: wait a moment, I got MeeGo on a 2GB SD card Jan 19 11:57:55 Stskeeps : I can see in /usr/bin/autoconf | automake are running Jan 19 11:57:59 alterego: would you be offended if I said no? Jan 19 11:58:01 CosmoHill, yes :) Jan 19 11:58:08 CosmoHill: no, of course not :P Jan 19 11:58:09 CosmoHill, I would be! Jan 19 11:58:13 Hah Jan 19 11:58:56 CosmoHill, 2gb mmc has been a difficulty for a while, the wiki instructions have changed to say 4gb Jan 19 11:59:08 but the main docs have not mirrored it yet Jan 19 12:00:30 Stskeeps : I'm building on meego system, using ssh meego@localhost on MADDE terminal, Jan 19 12:00:37 ok Jan 19 12:00:39 lcuk: http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/12761325/Samsung-4GB-Micro-SDHC-Plus-Memory-Card/Product.html?searchstring=microSD&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchfilters=s{microSD}%2b&cpage=2&urlrefer=search Jan 19 12:00:44 and http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/11404600/PNY-4GB-Optima-High-Speed-SD-HC-Card-3-Pack/Product.html?searchstring=microSD&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&searchfilters=s{microSD}%2b&cpage=3&urlrefer=search Jan 19 12:00:52 * Stskeeps goes to lunch Jan 19 12:01:05 first is 4GB class 6 Jan 19 12:01:15 2nd is 4GB class 4 triple pack Jan 19 12:02:27 I don't think he liked my suggestions :( Jan 19 12:02:47 I use 4G class 4 without any problems. Jan 19 12:02:58 Class 6s are way too expensive atm Jan 19 12:03:14 I've got a 4G and an 8G class 4 actually. Jan 19 12:05:01 alterego: that one I linked to was £7 Jan 19 12:06:14 Really? Jan 19 12:06:23 I've got a friend that works at play. Jan 19 12:06:27 Can probably get a discount :P Jan 19 12:06:42 you want a discount on a £7 product? Jan 19 12:06:49 Sure, why not. Jan 19 12:06:57 What kind of student are you? :P Jan 19 12:07:03 * lcuk giggles Jan 19 12:07:26 hehe Jan 19 12:07:28 ok Jan 19 12:07:43 so even though the memory card dd copy failed Jan 19 12:07:45 its booted :) Jan 19 12:07:47 if I were to buy a microSD card I'd be an idiot since I don't have anything that will use it Jan 19 12:07:57 * alterego adds some patented Nokia standard "Operation Failed" information banners to Columbus. Jan 19 12:08:02 lcuk: lucky you, mine was sucessful and it wouldn't boot Jan 19 12:08:49 * lcuk now retries to get on network using ui only Jan 19 12:09:02 on maemo its one of the longest UI flows and deepest levels of dialogs Jan 19 12:10:03 settings/internet connections/connections/edit/next/next/advanced/ip addresses/enter them ;) Jan 19 12:11:30 !! Settings, !! Connections Jan 19 12:14:09 Heh Jan 19 12:14:32 * lcuk hmms Jan 19 12:18:48 * lcuk wonders which bit of meego is missing from the 3gb mmc card that booted Jan 19 12:18:51 2gb Jan 19 12:19:29 * lcuk half heartedly hopes it was the network configuration dialogs Jan 19 12:19:37 but does not expect it Jan 19 12:42:42 X-Fade, lbt, do you already have a policy for creating projects/teams in the community OBS? :-) Jan 19 12:46:28 :q Jan 19 12:54:58 hm file manager component Jan 19 12:55:04 hm network settings Jan 19 12:55:33 but at least I can see the maemo MyDocs now Jan 19 12:55:35 mkdir /media/maemostuff; mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/maemostuff Jan 19 12:57:01 hello everybody Jan 19 12:57:27 i'm going to boot meego on a friends n900 Jan 19 12:57:47 \o/ Jan 19 12:57:48 question is: what to avoid, can i trash the device with meego 1.1? Jan 19 12:58:23 if you install to the external MMC and flash kernel for a one shot test and you dont screw up any of the command line options, no Jan 19 12:58:29 lcuk: is that gesture input? Jan 19 12:58:43 is what gesture input? Jan 19 12:58:52 good question Jan 19 12:59:05 have no mmc, going the nfs path Jan 19 13:04:35 where is meego photos app from the image Jan 19 13:04:39 * lcuk looks under the rug Jan 19 13:08:58 <[Rapunzel]> hey Jan 19 13:09:38 * lcuk hunts for meego handset photos on n900 Jan 19 13:09:54 <[Rapunzel]> heh u also here?? Jan 19 13:11:12 lcuk: rpm -ql sample-media Jan 19 13:11:13 [Rapunzel], no Jan 19 13:11:32 Sage, got no network, so cannot install anything Jan 19 13:11:40 thought it was on the default install Jan 19 13:11:43 <[Rapunzel]> okay here seems same ppl like in -arm Jan 19 13:11:56 and I have mounted my Maemo MyDocs with all the sample media I need Jan 19 13:12:03 lcuk: well you don't need network, just do that command and you see where the photos are :) Jan 19 13:12:12 ahhh roger, a mo Jan 19 13:12:31 and copy those to the /home/meego/Photos or what ever the photo folder is. Jan 19 13:13:35 sage, have it mounted on /home/meego/maemo right now, lemme see where photo app is Jan 19 13:14:41 Sage, the photos are there, but not the app to view them Jan 19 13:14:54 meego-handset-photo Jan 19 13:16:10 ah Jan 19 13:16:20 undestood your problem wrong :) Jan 19 13:17:22 lcuk: btw, the icon could be hidden if that is all you checked because of bug 7219 Jan 19 13:17:24 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7219 maj, Medium, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, N900: Application icon is not available in landscape orientation Jan 19 13:17:53 but you give me ideas :) Jan 19 13:17:58 possibly sage, hold on Jan 19 13:18:07 zypper se photos does indeed say its installed Jan 19 13:18:27 and, YES! Jan 19 13:19:16 :) Jan 19 13:19:26 thanks, have cced that bug Jan 19 13:27:56 sweet, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom for £65 and it works with windows AND mac Jan 19 13:28:44 Hi, there is any way to use less memory on N900. It keeps on using the swap, making it so slooooow ? Jan 19 13:29:12 fabiomssilva, which OS and specifically what are you running Jan 19 13:29:33 CosmoHill, thats good, except for the tiny drawback of being a channel for linux users :P Jan 19 13:29:58 wine? Jan 19 13:55:33 for the recycle value of my mac, I could top up my car -.- Jan 19 14:05:03 CosmoHill, thats fine if you own a tank. Jan 19 14:05:23 they offered £55 Jan 19 14:06:17 take it to an antique dealer instead Jan 19 14:07:32 -.- Jan 19 14:08:28 I suppose I should go to uni and do something productive Jan 19 14:09:15 CosmoHill, put up a for sale sign at uni for your old mac Jan 19 14:09:18 then get a new one Jan 19 14:11:08 "do you like shiny things? buy my mac" Jan 19 14:11:38 "comes with free snobbery" Jan 19 14:12:16 heh Jan 19 14:12:24 * lcuk works out where photos have gone Jan 19 14:13:12 I might take my DSLR out and get a picture of the floods Jan 19 14:14:12 CosmoHill, ? floods in CBG? Jan 19 14:14:15 which end or all Jan 19 14:14:49 CGB? Jan 19 14:14:51 CBG* Jan 19 14:15:15 my home town has flood warnings and my uni is next to the river Jan 19 14:16:03 CosmoHill, the answer to that "might" is always "yes". ;) Jan 19 14:17:50 hopefully I can keep my feet dry this year Jan 19 14:18:07 that lovely 24bit meego backdrop does not look as crisp on n900 Jan 19 14:18:19 scaled down to much? Jan 19 14:18:30 graphics colour depth Jan 19 14:18:36 not stretching Jan 19 14:19:29 cyas .o/ Jan 19 14:19:32 \o Jan 19 14:19:40 Damn low color screens Jan 19 14:22:10 GAN900, its not the screen specifically Jan 19 14:22:28 lcuk, in the case of the N900 it is. Jan 19 14:22:33 but yeah, low color graphics modes (and issues with raising it) Jan 19 16:17:53 DawnFoster, Updated Metrics/Dashboard page Jan 19 16:18:24 DawnFoster, I'm leaning towards Pentaho. It's got a cooler name, and better dashboard support for free. I'm not sure which reason is the most important... Jan 19 16:18:43 dneary: Ha! Jan 19 16:20:33 DawnFoster, Huh? :) Jan 19 16:21:00 I like the cool name as a criteria :) Jan 19 16:21:33 * lbt wonders where the forum/email integration is at... Jan 19 16:22:20 dneary: but seriously, I've heard good things about Pentaho. Never used them myself. Jan 19 16:22:54 lbt: As I've said for months, once we get all of the infrastructure moved to OSU, we'll re-evaluate what it will take to integrate mail / forums :) Jan 19 16:24:13 OK. Just prodding it Jan 19 16:24:18 bry Jan 19 16:25:59 DawnFoster, Every time I see Pentaho, it reminds me of Pentabarf Jan 19 16:26:59 The Pentaho people always put the accent on the middle syllable (penTAho), but I parse it differently Jan 19 16:28:13 P*O*ntaho Jan 19 16:28:15 ? Jan 19 16:31:26 lbt, ? It's Pentaho Jan 19 16:32:29 DawnFoster, So I'm going to send an RFC to meego-community. I have local Bugzilla, MediaWiki, Drupal & git instances here that I can use for testing purposes Jan 19 16:32:37 you say Pentaho, I say Ponhato.... Jan 19 16:33:10 I hate the way these open core companies hide the useful docs about how to use them though :) Still need to figure out Kettle & JasperETL Jan 19 16:33:57 dneary: sounds good Jan 19 17:09:39 what package manager is using meego? Jan 19 17:09:46 markuman: RPM + zypper Jan 19 17:10:54 Stskeeps: are there any other alternative repos for meego? i'll miss some mpc client, libreoffice, octave.... Jan 19 17:11:41 lbt: ping, is there any target for armv5el in build.pub. ? Jan 19 17:11:53 damn laptop went to sleep Jan 19 17:12:15 Sage: no Jan 19 17:12:39 :/ Jan 19 17:13:33 X-Fade: there is armv5el in meego 1.0, but that is not included? Jan 19 17:13:59 Yeah, we don't import that. Jan 19 17:14:09 :/ Jan 19 17:14:27 Sage: we should make a v6 hardfp experiment, now i know how to do those :P Jan 19 17:14:59 I really need to setup my own OBS because the build.pub. isn't working for me at all :( Jan 19 17:15:27 Trunk is too obsolete, can't compile against devel: project and no armv5el Jan 19 17:16:46 X-Fade: ^ some improvement suggestions :) Jan 19 17:16:47 Sage: I'd be keen to get more people acting as maintainers for the pub OBS Jan 19 17:16:59 lbt: \o Jan 19 17:17:12 Sage: Can you file a bug about this? So we don't forget? Jan 19 17:17:26 X-Fade: which one of those? :) Jan 19 17:17:48 Sage: Whatever you need. We can always WONTFIX it ;) Jan 19 17:17:54 :P Jan 19 17:18:40 hello my friends, i'm working on a fix to the bug 10379 but i'm still having trouble to debug it. Jan 19 17:18:46 lbt: I'm happy to help with OBS maintaining etc. Jan 19 17:18:47 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10379 nor, Medium, ---, srini, NEW, Manual time change is lost after shutdown Jan 19 17:19:14 Sage: We're in a meeting now, but let's discuss that later. Jan 19 17:20:11 i think there might be some problem with the interaction from the clock to timed daemon. Jan 19 17:20:34 Bug 12638 Jan 19 17:20:36 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12638 nor, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, No armv5el target available Jan 19 17:25:51 hm, i a window is to big for my netbook, on other linux i press the alt key and can move the window, on meego this don't work. any ideas? Jan 19 17:26:25 markuman, which app? Jan 19 17:27:34 lcuk: opera^^ Jan 19 17:28:20 markuman: type xrandr as root on a terminal. Jan 19 17:28:50 it will print the supported resolution Jan 19 17:30:04 markuman, panning around a window is not an ideal solution, but granted it would help you work around problem, perhaps best is to raise it with opera devs as a bug (much same way as xchat has similar bug for same reason) Jan 19 17:30:18 barroca: no, resolution is not the problem. the window is to big for netbook^^ Jan 19 17:30:30 or even more outlandish, on the OBS patch/fix problem locally and offer a patch to upstream Jan 19 17:30:52 hm k Jan 19 17:31:01 markuman: i know, but with greater resolution you might get more space on the screen.. the thing is that applications should be compiled to run on the default screen size of meego. Jan 19 17:31:08 markuman, many "desktop" apps have forgotten what its like to be resolution Jan 19 17:31:12 constrained Jan 19 17:31:26 lcuk: yeah, thats true Jan 19 17:31:35 barroca, actually, apps should be able to adapt to screen space Jan 19 17:31:40 barroca: whats the default screen resolution of meego on netbooks? Jan 19 17:32:18 handset apps adore the extra screen space of netbook Jan 19 17:32:45 lcuk: makes sense, but for markuman case, wait for opera to be recompiled into meego will take longer than increasing the resolution. Jan 19 17:32:51 ;-) Jan 19 17:33:08 Heyy, seee this #karen_cg Jan 19 17:33:28 will meego updated automaticaly on next version if available? Jan 19 17:33:48 markuman, it depends, where did you get opera from to install? Jan 19 17:33:49 * CosmoHill grrs at spammers Jan 19 17:33:59 markuman: it depends on screen type, for instance, on intel's classmate pc is 1024x600, but i think there are another parameter for that. Jan 19 17:34:08 lcuk: i just take the rpm based version from opera.com Jan 19 17:34:09 barroca, so the 1024*600 ideapad I have here can run at higher resolution? Jan 19 17:34:30 maybe, run xrandr to see resolutions available. Jan 19 17:34:59 1024*600 Jan 19 17:35:04 800*600 Jan 19 17:35:06 640*480 Jan 19 17:35:16 * lcuk goes back to original point Jan 19 17:35:19 lcuk: i guess not... Jan 19 17:35:30 lcuk: basically VGA or above? Jan 19 17:36:15 markuman, file a bug with opera Jan 19 17:36:33 also compliment them on putting out an rpm which works :) Jan 19 17:36:40 "works" Jan 19 17:36:47 i've got a netbook with 1280x768 Jan 19 17:37:15 or something like this, and the menus are smaller than on the lenovo screen. Jan 19 17:37:19 isn't that just a regular laptop? Jan 19 17:37:30 what model is it? Jan 19 17:37:37 no, an intel classmate pc also. Jan 19 17:37:56 but i guess they attached a strange screen on it. Jan 19 17:38:07 we received some different samples here... Jan 19 17:39:12 meego handset on 1920*1080 will be cool Jan 19 17:39:15 My N900 is getting pretty battered and I'm wondering if it will last long enough for the successor. Does anyone know anything about such a product? Jan 19 17:40:20 jeward: engadget's better for rumours, if you need fact, wait for announcements :) Jan 19 17:40:37 lcuk: :) Jan 19 17:40:48 I was hoping there was something more concrete than rumors. Jan 19 17:41:08 jeward: google for N9 Jan 19 17:41:33 I've seen some of that... let me look again. Jan 19 17:41:43 barroca, http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg Jan 19 17:43:39 lcuk: the opera bug tracker is not open for everyone^^ but chromium is fine too Jan 19 17:45:01 Oh, looks like it's supposed to be released next month! Jan 19 17:45:04 Awesome. :-) Jan 19 17:45:49 lcuk: it acctually have 1366x768 Jan 19 17:48:08 lcu: http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9396/foto23zx.jpg with our look customization. Jan 19 17:48:22 Are there any other meego handsets coming out? Jan 19 17:49:38 someone get icq to work with empathy 2.30.2 comming with meego 1.1? Jan 19 17:50:20 lcuk: see how small the icons are? Jan 19 17:50:23 barroca, cool beans Jan 19 17:51:18 any way, i still need help debugging date and time on netbook.. Jan 19 17:51:41 bug 11281 you mean Jan 19 17:51:45 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11281 nor, Medium, ---, brian.j.jones, ASSI, datetime applet can't set date or time Jan 19 17:51:51 lcuk: dude! I've just seen a memory card that is more than my car! Jan 19 17:51:53 * lcuk tracking that Jan 19 17:52:06 * nhg wonders if anyone received the shipments of lenovo netbooks promised by Intel at the Meego Conference in Dublin last November. Jan 19 17:52:35 nhg, I have heard reports of a load of them arriving over Christmas Jan 19 17:53:21 lcuk: thanks...so far no word on mine and my colleagues and its been 2 months Jan 19 17:53:43 nhg, eek Jan 19 17:54:03 chaseup via DawnFoster and I am sure she will know who to follow beyond that Jan 19 17:54:10 no, bug 10379 Jan 19 17:54:13 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10379 nor, Medium, ---, srini, NEW, Manual time change is lost after shutdown Jan 19 17:54:36 nhg: Can you email Amy Leeland again with your name / address Jan 19 17:55:10 nhg: a couple of people's shipments bounced back and we didn't have alternate contact info Jan 19 17:55:37 nhg: cc me on the email to amy dawn.m.foster@intel.com Jan 19 17:56:59 DawnFoster: Sam Houston and Amy Leeland haven't been able to give us shipping tracking numbers yet...which means they havent been shipped yet (not bounced back at least in our case) Jan 19 17:57:20 nhg: I really can't help you over IRC Jan 19 17:57:38 barroca, since you already commented on the bug last week, best idea is to get to one of the bug triage meetings (different days) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule Jan 19 17:57:38 nhg: I need an email with a real name and physical address to Amy cc me. Jan 19 17:57:44 DawnFoster: sure..will email you separately Jan 19 17:58:10 tomorrows core triage might be an idea to bring it up after Jan 19 17:58:32 (problem is coming from panel, but it may be lower levels that are not accounting for it) Jan 19 17:59:38 lcuk: i think that timed is doing some wrong setups on time. Jan 19 17:59:47 andre__, do you know best way to get bugzilla to spit out a list of bugs commented/voted/messed with during a week? Jan 19 18:00:13 barroca, then add that to bug and see if you can find a way to test it? Jan 19 18:00:36 lcuk: split "commented/voted/messed" into one word and I will see ;-) Jan 19 18:01:27 lcuk: yes, i've just noticed that might be an timed issue... i'm trying to see if it's related first. Jan 19 18:01:27 andre__, activity. Jan 19 18:01:44 people commenting, adding extra votes, getting involved etc Jan 19 18:02:14 hello... is 4gb microsd good enought to try meego 1.1 in dualboot on n900 ? Jan 19 18:02:22 fenrir: yes Jan 19 18:02:46 size wise, speed wise, class 6 is always better Jan 19 18:03:43 lcuk: query.cgi, "Only bugs changed between" section, "-168h" in the first empty field? :) Jan 19 18:05:22 hmm what do i need to install meego.... dualboot software of somekind ? Jan 19 18:07:43 andre__, o_O you mean all those were changed in last 24h! http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=-24h Jan 19 18:07:58 390? not bad Jan 19 18:08:34 lcuk, correct Jan 19 18:08:42 yeah Stskeeps - thats quite a lot indeed for a single day! Jan 19 18:08:49 thanks andre__ Jan 19 18:08:52 well, also stuff like changing CC and so on Jan 19 18:08:57 sure Jan 19 18:09:06 np Jan 19 18:10:58 * lcuk notices its past Magnum o'clock and vanishes for a bit Jan 19 18:15:46 lcuk: thanks Jan 19 18:52:23 i guess if i want the meego desktop on other linux distribution, i need everything from here, am i right? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux Jan 19 18:52:37 yeah, and a non-meego sounding name ;) Jan 19 18:52:51 :) Jan 19 18:55:11 Stskeeps: why an non-meego sounding name? and how does all the meego desktop stuff will startet? i can't find any .xinitrc file on meego 1.1? and does meego-netbook-ux bring its own login manager with? Jan 19 18:55:59 markuman: well, there's a meego trademark where there is a compliance program attached, so in case you wanted to make product or the likes, meego netbook ux on another distribution wouldn't/couldn't be called 'meego' :P Jan 19 18:56:03 markuman: and meego uses uxlaunch Jan 19 18:56:04 meego is a trademark, which you don't want to mess with Jan 19 18:56:28 * Stskeeps still recalls getting heat for calling something "Debian for Nokia Internet Tablets", heh Jan 19 18:57:17 we had our share with the trademark issues, so my advice is to avoid the word. Jan 19 18:58:19 Stskeeps: hm, i don't want to make my own distribution, i just want to made a pkgbuild for archlinux. Jan 19 18:58:19 kyb3R: very good job with the meego-fi community btw, i'm really impressed how well it seems to run :) Jan 19 18:58:37 Stskeeps: thanks :) Jan 19 18:59:35 markuman: alright Jan 19 19:08:01 is the kernel config from meego 1.1 somewhere available? Jan 19 19:20:58 łuuuuuuuuuuhuuuuuuuuuu ale splity poszły :D Jan 19 19:43:47 mgedmin, irc search broke, giving error! Jan 19 19:44:06 lcuk: IRC in general broke Jan 19 19:44:29 CosmoHill, thats as maybe, but mgedmin's server is perhaps one of the most stable on the net! Jan 19 19:44:31 * alterego yawnsors Jan 19 19:44:59 Just prepared a nice release speach for the impending 0.9.3 version :) Jan 19 20:05:29 Is there no #meego-meeting today? Jan 19 20:06:22 Alison_Chaiken: TSG was moved a week according to wiki Jan 19 20:06:35 Stskeeps, it's next week then? Jan 19 20:06:38 yeah Jan 19 20:06:49 Thanks, I'll change my calendar. Jan 19 20:08:25 TSG was last night Jan 19 20:08:35 Oh wait, was that something else .. Jan 19 20:10:12 TNG? Jan 19 20:10:51 Heh Jan 19 20:38:32 I am right, n900 does have working wifi at the moment doesn't it? Jan 19 21:17:09 *sigh* this shoulder pain is making my life miserable Jan 19 21:17:20 now I'm wondering am I cranky as well Jan 19 21:17:22 are you single? Jan 19 21:17:31 Hahah Jan 19 21:17:44 CosmoHill: can't see how that relates...? Jan 19 21:17:45 CosmoHill: you behave yourself mister :) Jan 19 21:18:06 DawnFoster, I actually read the genuine concern then Jan 19 21:18:16 remember that bib brother is always watching (or maybe big sister in my case) :) Jan 19 21:18:21 the punch line was Myrtti says "no" and I go "then shut up then" Jan 19 21:18:41 and I can't type Jan 19 21:18:57 CosmoHill: I prefer to participate in jokes I understand Jan 19 21:19:00 maybe big brother has a gender issue? Jan 19 21:19:08 maybe cosmo should think before he types? Jan 19 21:19:18 probably Jan 19 21:19:55 *sigh* I'll just go and sulk in bed Jan 19 21:20:07 Myrtti, is it injured or "merely" aching? Jan 19 21:20:52 * CosmoHill gives Myrtti some painkillers Jan 19 21:20:56 haven't injured it to my knowledge, but my shoulder joint has started popping and I can't turn my head - walking and swallowing is a bit difficult too Jan 19 21:21:08 eep Jan 19 21:21:11 * Myrtti spreads half a tube of Voltarol on the shoulder Jan 19 21:21:16 Myrtti: maybe you're sleeping funny Jan 19 21:21:39 I don't know, I just feel miserable Jan 19 21:22:16 DawnFoster: fyi Myrtti is safe Jan 19 21:22:30 * Tm_T huggles Myrtti with all the warmness he got Jan 19 21:24:48 thiago_ny: the url is still wrong (; Jan 19 21:26:35 DawnFoster: fyi they fixed the FAQ wiki issue Jan 19 21:27:28 good night all Jan 19 21:27:41 cyas Tm_T Jan 19 21:37:31 * CosmoHill throws a kitten to DawnFoster Jan 19 21:38:35 CosmoHill: Yay kittens :) Jan 19 21:39:04 you'd be standing there and the next think you know my mate's kitten will run up your back Jan 19 21:41:02 my mate said I had scratches on my back :/ Jan 19 21:59:03 Does anyone know , from which src.rpm I can get "pvr_drv.so" driver ?? Jan 19 21:59:21 the GMA500 driver? Jan 19 22:01:34 pvr-bin .. I got it ... Jan 19 22:07:43 Again .. do we have a pvr_drv.so for "Moorsetown" .. the one I downloaded is for MFLD platform Jan 19 22:28:56 Does anyone know , from where I can download source code for "pvr_drv.so" driver ?? Seems pvr-bin.src.rpm has only prebuilt binaries not the source code Jan 19 22:33:44 haroun: it's not open, you can't Jan 19 22:39:22 lmao Jan 19 22:49:48 alterego : thanks for your input Jan 19 22:50:17 haroun: np Jan 19 23:10:34 Does any one know , whether Meego supports Dual Display by default ? I have connected my hardware to HDMI TV ... I am able to see only Green Solid color filled on my HDMI monitor whenever I try to run startx .. Does any one have any insight on this ? Jan 19 23:15:55 haroun: might want to check the meego-dev mailing list or in #meego-arm and see if anyone using the Pandaboard has it going Jan 19 23:16:21 I suspect you have a pandaboard (or some other A9 hardware) Jan 19 23:16:48 microlith : I am using custom moorsetown board Jan 19 23:17:02 ohh Jan 19 23:17:20 Moorestown... aava handset? Jan 19 23:18:05 Moorestown platform .. But not aava handset Jan 19 23:18:12 ook Jan 19 23:18:41 similar driver and environment I imagine, you'll stil want to check the meego-dev mailing list Jan 19 23:18:50 haroun, green is a common colour for YUV channels being initialised to 0 Jan 19 23:21:29 microlith : thanks for your input .. I will check meego-dev list Jan 19 23:25:32 luck_tv : from the Xorg.0.log , I am able to see X-org server reads EDID of HDMI tv .. I suspect by seeing pvr_drv.so msg .. Can you pls tell me .. is that a normal msg .. or something todo with pvr_bin .. Log : Jan 19 23:25:36 [ 128.582] (II) pvr(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 128.582] (II) pvr(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: pvr [ 128.866] (II) pvr(0): [PVR] Soft solid fill always [ 128.866] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps [ 128.867] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations: [ 128.867] (II) Solid [ 128.867] (II) Copy [ 128.867] (II) Composite (RENDER acceleration) [ 128.883] (==) pvr(0 Jan 19 23:26:48 Suspecting "[PVR] Soft solid fill always " msg Jan 19 23:27:30 pastebin? Jan 19 23:28:55 CosmoHill: Sorry I am not familiar with IRC/pastebin.. from Next time i will use pastebin Jan 19 23:29:08 merci Jan 19 23:34:43 Hi All, I have posted my Xorg log "http://pastebin.com/ZAnBtQ2J" .. Can any one look at the log and tell me .. What could be wrong for enabling dual display or HDMI monitor to show the Meego UI ? Jan 19 23:35:54 I'm not to sure meego even supports dual monitors Jan 19 23:37:03 what graphics card / chip do you have? Jan 19 23:37:17 CosmoHill: I am using moorsetown chip Jan 19 23:37:33 that's a newish intel one right? Jan 19 23:37:50 yes ... it'sINTEL Jan 19 23:39:09 does the MeeGo UX work on the device as a single monitor? Jan 19 23:41:36 yes ... Meego UX work with my LCD panel .. Jan 19 23:42:45 do you boot meego with or without the HDMI cable connected? Jan 19 23:43:16 meego supports dual displays, the question is whether the PVR hardware on your moorestown board supports it Jan 19 23:43:27 hey auke Jan 19 23:43:31 yes .. i can boot Meego with or without HDMI cable connected Jan 19 23:43:50 my bet is that it currently doesn't, and you'll have to contact your hardware vendor to ask them *if* it is supported Jan 19 23:43:58 haroun: try booting meego without the HDMI connected and plug it in once it's booted Jan 19 23:44:25 run xrandr Jan 19 23:44:32 with both displays connected Jan 19 23:44:40 see if you can use it to enable the second display Jan 19 23:46:41 I did .. but "xrandr -q" ... not showing up the list of connected displays Jan 19 23:47:30 yeah Jan 19 23:47:50 that means that meego has no way of finding your 2nd display Jan 19 23:48:03 iow, the problem is in the pvr driver or related Jan 19 23:48:16 auke: do you know if there is a way to read / check for gps data in an image? Jan 19 23:49:40 auke: thank you very much for your input.. let me try to debug more on PVR drivers Jan 19 23:52:49 CosmoHill: an image like a jpeg? Jan 19 23:52:52 CosmoHill: what gps data? Jan 19 23:53:04 one second, i think I've found something Jan 19 23:53:06 CosmoHill, you mean exif metadata? Jan 19 23:53:35 try exiv2 image.jpg or identify -verbose image.jpg from imagemagick package Jan 19 23:54:13 and hope it wasn't taken using an N900 and then rounded to one decimal place Jan 19 23:54:15 lol when someone says "image" in #meego, I assume he's talking about cd/usb disk images... Jan 19 23:54:24 just installed exiftool on my mac Jan 19 23:54:29 nod Jan 19 23:54:40 exif is your (and the NSA's) best friend Jan 19 23:57:16 looks like the guy was smart enough to disable geotagging on his iphone Jan 19 23:57:24 lol Jan 19 23:57:25 NSA? Jan 19 23:57:30 who are you spying on? Jan 19 23:57:34 nobody Jan 19 23:57:42 riiiiight Jan 19 23:57:50 likely story Jan 19 23:58:04 find your own victim Jan 19 23:58:13 CosmoHill: you're my victim already Jan 19 23:58:18 yay Jan 19 23:58:23 at least someone wants me Jan 19 23:58:39 speaking of victims Jan 20 00:02:57 hola Jan 20 00:03:23 helloooooooooo Jan 20 00:14:20 hello Jan 20 00:14:30 (and goodbye) Jan 20 00:14:32 he's gone Jan 20 00:27:43 damn, turns out my camera (Nikon D70) doesn't support GPS Jan 20 00:30:20 CosmoHill: Nikon D70 is from 2004, so that's not surprising Jan 20 00:32:24 dad's D90 supports it with an add-on Jan 20 00:33:01 CosmoHill: the D90 is a much higher-end camera. the D70 was Nikon's first consumer level DSLR Jan 20 00:33:10 really? Jan 20 00:33:41 really Jan 20 00:34:50 the D90 is somewhere in between a consumer camera and professional camera Jan 20 00:36:03 I got the D70 when dad got the D90 Jan 20 00:37:20 your dad upgraded, then Jan 20 00:37:27 traded up Jan 20 00:37:30 yep Jan 20 01:06:19 hey Jan 20 01:06:24 hi Jan 20 01:06:32 good morning Jan 20 01:06:48 mm.. Jan 20 01:07:26 I have a armv7 board, and I would like to porting meego on it Jan 20 01:08:40 but its kernel 2.6.32 which support its all of device completely. Jan 20 01:08:46 I think the guys you want to speak to are asleep Jan 20 01:09:17 is it possible that porting meego on it using kernel 2.6.32? Jan 20 01:09:37 I wouldn't know mysql, you might want to read the wiki Jan 20 01:12:13 CosmoHill: s/mysql/myself/ ? Jan 20 01:12:29 wow did I really say mysql? Jan 20 01:12:31 ya, that kina caught me off guard a bit Jan 20 01:13:02 CosmoHill: I hope you are okay Jan 20 01:13:13 CosmoHill: I mean, for me,this was the sign I needed a new job Jan 20 01:13:29 it's 1am and I start databases next week Jan 20 01:13:32 fraudian slip showing lack of confidence in mysql skills I would guess Jan 20 01:13:57 pierce: mysql skills is something even its creators are lacking Jan 20 01:14:13 mysql creators abandoned mysql long ago :-) Jan 20 01:14:14 CosmoHill: good luck then Jan 20 01:14:18 *flameon* Jan 20 01:14:19 merci Jan 20 01:14:21 pierce: hehe Jan 20 01:14:25 and it's actually MSSQL Jan 20 01:14:36 it is actully much better Jan 20 01:14:40 to be honest Jan 20 01:14:57 but hye, I'm now a nosql fanboy with web 2.0 asiprations Jan 20 01:15:08 I work a lot with CouchDB Jan 20 01:15:15 and replication is a breeze Jan 20 01:15:16 ow, I just got hit with a 2007 Jan 20 01:15:30 pierce: mssql? Jan 20 01:15:42 nosql :-p Jan 20 01:15:48 couchdb Jan 20 01:15:55 what is 2007? Jan 20 01:15:58 bug number? Jan 20 01:16:00 sivang: I don't have to pay for it so I'm fine Jan 20 01:16:06 CosmoHill: good Jan 20 01:16:08 just a shame I can't use my ppc mac in that less Jan 20 01:16:11 lesson* Jan 20 01:16:17 I agree Jan 20 01:16:21 the ppc ones were something Jan 20 01:16:37 * sivang has a POWER consortium shirt Jan 20 01:16:42 ooo, nice Jan 20 01:16:58 I should get a "got root" t-shirt, since I do actually have root Jan 20 01:17:01 Ilove it very much and take care not ot wash it to much Jan 20 01:17:05 hehe Jan 20 01:17:31 anywho.. david___ there should be no reason that you couldn't port it to that board, not really me field, but sounds like a fun experiment to me :-) Jan 20 01:17:33 I think frescale made the shirts, and have their logo quite small on thesleeve Jan 20 01:17:49 anyway dudes Jan 20 01:18:16 after a nice discovery of how not to drop qnetworkaccessmanager into auth loop, I go to sleep. Jan 20 01:18:23 g'night! Jan 20 01:18:27 cyas Jan 20 01:19:08 really? (i don't know how to send a direct message to you ) Jan 20 01:19:31 david___: it's /query username, but always ask permission first Jan 20 01:19:50 slash msg Jan 20 01:20:18 pierce: you can begin a line with // Jan 20 01:21:25 david___: I really wouldn't know where to start, but I know meego runs on plenty of arm stuff already, so what you are doing doesn't seem like much of a stretch Jan 20 01:22:16 ok Jan 20 01:22:50 if you run into specific problems, I'm sure someone that know what they are talking about will be around soon Jan 20 01:22:56 *knows Jan 20 01:24:52 I think most of the MeeGo ARM guys are from Nokia in Europe so they're probably asleep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011