**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 02:59:58 2011 Jan 24 05:37:32 can i run "gconftool" on meego? Jan 24 05:54:15 gconftool-2 wassupnari Jan 24 05:54:58 you can install gconf-editor too, at least on the netbook ux Jan 24 06:34:55 beford : thanks for your comment Jan 24 06:35:19 beford : you mean, gconf-editor doesn't work on handset device? Jan 24 07:13:58 Hi Jan 24 07:14:43 when I am trying build package /gst-plugins-base, I am getting the error: error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz: No such file or directory Jan 24 07:15:00 Pls let me know the solution Jan 24 07:19:18 the .spec file references (actually: creates a reference automatically to) a file and your source tarball is probably named wrong; /home/abuild looks like an OBS worker environment so you have uploaded some tarball Jan 24 07:19:40 so check your spec and the tarball name, they are out of synch Jan 24 07:52:57 rpm -qf /boot/extlinux ; anyone with intel meego installation running could show what that returns? Jan 24 07:59:03 MeeGo 1.1 + updates: syslinux-extlinux-4.00-1.5.i586 Jan 24 07:59:14 thx Jan 24 09:20:55 hi, i'm trying to use the rescue initrd as described on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Jan 24 09:20:55 I get the n900 to boot into the rescue system, but then i'm a bit lost Jan 24 09:21:08 the keyboard seems to be in qwerty mode, but i can't figure out how to type anything other than [a-zA-Z], especially no dashes or slashes, so i dont see how i'd go about mounting the root partition.. Jan 24 09:24:29 a serial console would help there :) Jan 24 09:25:30 :\ Jan 24 09:25:55 i just need to access the rootfs.. Jan 24 09:37:39 okay, screw it, i'll just install meego. Jan 24 09:37:39 is there a way to do this without overwriting the maemo system? Jan 24 10:41:10 Moo, raster, btw, is it possible to use E as a complete mobile desktop right now? Jan 24 10:41:41 (on devices that can boot Meego core, but lack 3D drivers to run UI) Jan 24 10:42:17 RST38h: umm e as in the wm? Jan 24 10:42:23 well in a very primitive way Jan 24 10:42:30 it hasnt really had any work done on getting zas nice gui Jan 24 10:42:38 there are nice guis using e and efl Jan 24 10:42:43 but all behind doors atm Jan 24 10:44:49 it also does full hw accel too (gl-es2 both compositor and apps rendering) Jan 24 10:44:53 ptl: sorry about the slow response, not yet, am still trying to get around the wonders of the bootloader Jan 24 10:45:13 but no - havent done any work on a gui within e itself atm Jan 24 10:45:24 its kind of been ignored in favor of a lot of lib and infra work Jan 24 10:45:34 and now also being sidelined to make better tools too Jan 24 10:47:46 raster: making new conquests? :) Jan 24 10:48:06 hena: which kind of conquests? :) Jan 24 10:48:10 I already started making packages for meego... Jan 24 10:48:20 just formyself tho Jan 24 10:49:04 i havend found that i need to :) Jan 24 10:49:07 auke: I've PM'ed you in other window, have a look at it please ;] Jan 24 10:49:09 others happily do that for me Jan 24 10:49:16 nazgee: doubt he's awake :) Jan 24 10:49:56 it's just that the whole gui is a mess in meego, and having efl there also makes things even more complicated Jan 24 10:50:14 with a mess i mean a hassle between gtk and qt Jan 24 10:50:48 hmm Jan 24 10:50:59 well here efl is the core gui Jan 24 10:51:02 so i'm happy Jan 24 10:51:03 :) Jan 24 10:51:55 * raster scrolls his multi-layered alpha blended widgets around for a bit Jan 24 10:52:08 hehe Jan 24 10:53:57 how's work with ubuntu? Jan 24 10:54:03 ubuntu? Jan 24 10:54:23 i remember reading something about ubuntu and efl cooperation Jan 24 10:54:35 dunno about that stuff Jan 24 10:54:48 i'm busy with other co-operation Jan 24 10:54:55 oh, ok Jan 24 10:58:55 i'm here mostly because i keep hearing that meego has something coming for phones.. but it seems a long way from production-ready. just curious what will come out :) Jan 24 11:00:28 it will be a heavy qt coop with symbian and meego Jan 24 11:01:00 but it seems nice for the core, haven't seen much windows on my own n900 yet ;) Jan 24 11:02:04 raster: Got it. So, the libs and the wm are there, but not the application suite? Jan 24 11:02:20 RST38h: well not in the public yet - no Jan 24 11:02:35 and app suite happesn to include home/menu/launcher screen Jan 24 11:02:53 indicator bar, taskmanager, blah blahb lahblahblah Jan 24 11:05:00 with Meego release 1.1.80, to include xinerama, i source-installed xorg-x11-server, make installed it.. is there anything else i need to do? Jan 24 11:19:19 vgrade1: ping **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 11:22:50 2011 Jan 24 11:53:05 raster: So [returning to the topic], you do have E-specific desktop, launcher, indicators, etc somewhere? Jan 24 12:06:39 RST38h: yes. not public :) Jan 24 12:08:44 raster: How badly not public? =) In case some members of the public decide to use it on top of some Linux to get a complete environment...? Jan 24 12:10:29 as in sitting behind firewalls and a lot of well funded legal dept Jan 24 12:11:51 raster: Ah. Very not public then. Jan 24 12:11:53 does someone haves a archos 101 ? Jan 24 12:12:22 eurisko: yes Jan 24 12:12:52 dm8tbr, can you explain if the device is really free to boot whatever i want to? Jan 24 12:13:40 eurisko: yes it is, you can easily boot any linux kernel + initramfs. If you are insane enough probably other OSs too. Jan 24 12:13:43 RST38h: yes Jan 24 12:13:44 :) Jan 24 12:14:07 oh god! yes! Jan 24 12:14:07 eurisko: discussion for archos devices + OSS happens on #openaos - JFTR. Jan 24 12:14:22 thanks! Jan 24 12:15:35 btw: the 101 is generation 8. so keep that in mind if you run into mentions of gen6 and gen7 hardware. ;) Jan 24 12:16:13 e.g. smoku's images currently are for gen7 only. I'm trying to squeeze out time to get gen8 working but constantly fail to do so. Jan 24 12:17:05 raster: Are the owners of this gem going to make it available to the public at some point? Jan 24 12:17:50 i would hope so :) Jan 24 12:17:59 otherwise i'm wasting my time here :) Jan 24 12:18:15 * raster goes into evasive mode Jan 24 12:18:17 * RST38h looks at raster meaningfully Jan 24 12:25:47 Hey folks. I started out with MeeGo yesterday and since I got almost all netbooks of my family around for maintenance I decided to install it on them all. My dad owns a HP Compaq Mini 110, this comes without Bluetooth. Is there a way to disable the Bluetooth panel entry for him, I suspect him telling me in a few days his Bluetooth is not working... Jan 24 12:34:25 r4co0n1, you can modify the buttons shown at the top, not sure about specific bt one though (just because i have not noticed it) Jan 24 12:35:10 awesome bunch of patches to connman ML this morning, ipv6 and a load of other stuff Jan 24 12:35:12 cool to see Jan 24 12:35:39 ipv6? \o/ Jan 24 12:35:47 lcuk: url? Jan 24 12:36:24 nm, i can find it myself.. Jan 24 12:36:40 oh, nokia made, nice Jan 24 12:36:47 http://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2011-January/thread.html Jan 24 12:42:43 Stskeeps, heh yes indeed. on the normal flow of things, I gather patches submitted upstream like this are reviewed and tested, then connman itself gets a release and we integrate into core after our own testing? Jan 24 12:42:55 mm Jan 24 12:43:48 just an in general question about how we get those patches into meego Jan 24 12:44:36 it happens regularly Jan 24 12:45:29 .nod. Jan 24 12:48:00 what's this buzz about a semi-pad running meego? Jan 24 12:51:18 what's a semi-pad? Jan 24 12:51:40 larger than phone Jan 24 12:51:43 lesser than a pad Jan 24 12:52:49 http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/is-this-nokias-tablet-shaped-meego-device/ Jan 24 13:06:53 it's true Nokia MeeGo tablet or fake? http://komorkomania.pl/2011/01/24/tablet-nokii-z-meego-na-zdjeciach Jan 24 13:07:48 Mat_Matan: we're dealing with meego.com here, this isn't nokia product development department :) Jan 24 13:09:52 Stskeeps: can you direct me to them? :) Jan 24 13:10:21 slavik1: nokia.com? Jan 24 13:10:21 :P Jan 24 13:10:25 :( Jan 24 13:14:22 Mat_Matan: Isn't than a Nokia N900?:P Jan 24 13:14:47 sandst1: i think not Jan 24 13:15:46 Mat_Matan: The second is definitely an N900; you can tell from the bezel and the "N900" logo in the top-right. Jan 24 13:16:17 Mat_Matan: The one at the top is not an N900. Anyone who knows what it is won't say; so you won't get any form of accurate information Jan 24 13:20:26 but what is that in first picture Jan 24 13:21:57 Mat_Matan: The one at the top is not an N900. Anyone who knows what it is won't say; so you won't get any form of accurate information Jan 24 13:27:44 very interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=927287#post927287 Jan 24 14:03:44 u'd be happy to know that with meego 1.1.80 and nvidia's 270.18 module, X seems to work BUT it keeps complaining that it cant find evdev and hence my mouse and keyboard are not working Jan 24 14:03:49 is there something i am missing Jan 24 14:18:38 does anyone know how to build xf86-input-evdev-2.4.99.901.. this is xorg-x11-drv-evdev source Jan 24 14:21:01 I'm starting to learn GTK Jan 24 14:22:18 This toolkit is supported by Meego Handset? Jan 24 14:22:35 it's probably better to learn qt + qml instead Jan 24 14:22:52 alons: not really, at least not yet Jan 24 14:22:58 alons: learn Qt and C++ Jan 24 14:24:06 y python + qt ? Jan 24 14:40:35 YAY !!! We finally did it!!.. we have the latest build of meego working for Nvidia ION graphics card with output in full HD via HDMI Jan 24 14:40:55 tcs-meego: very nice :) Jan 24 14:41:05 tcs-meego: congratulations :) Jan 24 14:41:28 thansk all :) Jan 24 14:45:40 Couldn't resolve host 'download.meego.com' ... Eh??? Jan 24 14:46:02 mwichmann: WORKSFORME Jan 24 14:46:21 odd Jan 24 14:46:22 ping: unknown host download.meego.com Jan 24 14:46:48 (from different machine) Jan 24 14:49:35 tcs-meego, Aaaaawwwesome! Jan 24 14:51:21 the meego sdk althought its not supported on ubuntu 64 bit does it work? Jan 24 14:54:13 sx0n: thanks.. if i knew better .. i think i would have suffered less Jan 24 14:54:30 it really isnt that hard now that its done Jan 24 14:56:11 eurisko: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#On_Ubuntu_or_Debian Jan 24 14:56:53 eurisko: don't know if this works for 64bit, assume so, gonna let u try :) Jan 24 14:57:30 eurisko: it would be nice if u added your experience, whether failure or success, to the wiki... Jan 24 14:57:53 i am already installing using that guide Jan 24 14:58:02 i just asked because it said not supported Jan 24 14:58:31 where? didnt find any occurence of string "64" on that site. Jan 24 15:00:53 eurisko: There is always some ugly hack for getting 32bit-software to run on amd64, dunno if I would want that for a SDK though... Jan 24 15:00:56 using the 32 bit guide Jan 24 15:01:02 i mean Jan 24 15:01:10 normally 32 software runs on amd 64 Jan 24 15:01:45 I wanted to say, if it doesnt, u can make it work Jan 24 15:02:52 depends on the knowledge of "me" ehehe i might not be so capable :D Jan 24 15:11:38 RST38h, if you are interested in nice non-3d-requiring UI see netbootlauncher-efl. ubuntu for hd2 uses it Jan 24 15:12:03 RST38h, there is also unity-2d. the ubuntu unity rewritten in Qt/QML Jan 24 15:12:44 smoku: Aha Jan 24 15:14:09 smoku: Looking =) Jan 24 15:15:56 Unity-2D looks realistic. Can't find much on the netboot-efl thingie Jan 24 15:17:05 RST38h, http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ Jan 24 15:18:11 smoku: yooo, have to show this to javispedro Jan 24 15:18:39 python + QT, is supported by Meego Handset? Jan 24 15:19:11 alons, yes Jan 24 15:21:43 OK, that is, if I develop an application with Python + QT, I can distribute through Ovi Store? Jan 24 15:26:45 alons: https://p.d.ovi.com/p/g/ovistore_static/docs/Publisher_Guide.pdf Read through this, as I remember you have to pay (at least) a one time fee, small, like 5 Dollars, to become an ovi store publisher... Jan 24 15:38:59 OK Jan 24 15:42:11 alons: MeeGo SDK working? Jan 24 15:43:19 Not, pyside Jan 24 15:50:35 Hi, created a bug to follow the Apps catalog development status Jan 24 15:50:37 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12805 Jan 24 15:51:13 +1 Jan 24 15:52:51 qgil: Is this intended to be a meta bug? Jan 24 15:53:22 X-Fade: why not Jan 24 15:53:45 qgil: Just wondering what it should be used for :) Jan 24 15:54:45 X-Fade: I have been asking tekojo lbt bergie and you to have status report bugs connected to documentation wiki pages - I have ended up creating them one by one :) Jan 24 15:55:31 qgil: Yeah, just wondered if creating smaller tasks/bugs would be easier to track. Jan 24 15:55:45 X-Fade: it would be great if dependent tasks and bugs related to the Apps catalog would be connected to that one Jan 24 15:55:46 qgil: I'll be able to focus on MeeGo stuff from next week onwards Jan 24 15:56:10 (we'll have a couple of days hacking session with X-Fade in Netherlands) Jan 24 15:56:25 X-Fade: but considering how difficult seems to be getting just basic reporting I don't dare asking for more detailed reports - they are all welcome though! Jan 24 15:56:55 bergie: I fear you have too many tasks in your basket alone? Jan 24 15:58:35 X-Fade bergie are you aware of http://blog.karlitschek.de/2011/01/2-amazing-meetings-to-change-world.html ? They seem to be doing something similar to the Apps catalog on top of OBS Jan 24 15:58:55 qgil: Yeah, as I told Dawn too. We have been lacking time to communicate. Things have been really busy lately. Jan 24 15:59:22 qgil: For us to bring up this service, we basically needed to setup all IT infra first. Which was a lot of work. Jan 24 15:59:41 X-Fade: maybe if you would use bugs-meego.com to communicate among yourselves you could save time communciating to others? Jan 24 15:59:41 qgil: standardizing app catalogs on OCS&OBS makes a lot of sense Jan 24 16:01:48 and now, for something completely different Jan 24 16:01:50 QUESTION: Jan 24 16:02:23 I have a very small Windows partition and can't install Linux for $VERY_VALID_REASONS; where will the mad-admin commands install the targets? Jan 24 16:02:37 in particular, if I direct the SDK installer to an external HD, will the targets be installed there? Jan 24 16:03:53 it would be the only way for me to install the SDK >_< Jan 24 16:06:51 X-Fade bergie has there been any discussion about community QA in Apps catalog? Anything documented? Jan 24 16:07:13 qgil: No, the complete process needs to be discussed still. Jan 24 16:07:27 qgil: ...and actual implementation requires BOSS to be running Jan 24 16:07:42 qgil: We only did backend work. The people part really needs to be designed and discussed. Jan 24 16:08:22 X-Fade: if we want to have the Apps catalog ready by MeeGo 1.2 I bet we should be discussing this already now... Jan 24 16:08:37 qgil: For sure. Jan 24 16:09:06 I would suggest starting by copying the old Maemo Extras testing process Jan 24 16:09:31 X-Fade: well, this is when documenting status helps - I had no idea and I was assuming that such work was being done when seeing that a screenshot made on a testing environment existed Jan 24 16:10:14 qgil: Yeah, but that is only framework. Policy needs to be designed/discussed. Jan 24 16:17:43 X-Fade bergie lbt there we go: bug report against the lack of community QA criteria defined for the Apps catalog http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12808 Jan 24 16:18:02 blocking the Apps catalog release Jan 24 16:18:07 thx Jan 24 16:18:07 X-Fade: What was the reason you couldn't make use of Frank's work for this app catalogue? i mean, the amount of effort you've put into building something new in stead of adapting his would indicate you had a very good reason, i'm just wondering what it is :) Jan 24 16:18:40 leinir: We're using OCS. Jan 24 16:19:02 leinir: in fact is a bit the other way around, isn't it? Frank & co seem to be starting now and we need an Apps catalog in production in 3 months Jan 24 16:19:06 X-Fade: Sure, but OCS is just an API specification, he's got a really big framework :) Jan 24 16:19:07 leinir: But frank's software didn't integrate with OBS or BOSS. Jan 24 16:19:36 X-Fade: that's what the Nokia sponsored Bretzn project's been doing for the last six months, though... :) Jan 24 16:20:01 qgil: Not quite... It's a slightly oddly worded blog entry, but it's really just taking existing work and tying the last few knots :) Jan 24 16:20:15 'allo Jan 24 16:20:28 leinir: Well that is another case of no communication then :) Jan 24 16:20:31 leinir: right, this is why I asked him to provide more details in the comments :) Jan 24 16:20:39 The app store is an adapted version of the MeeGo Garage client, the server is just an instance of openDesktop.org, and the software is provided by openSuse's OBS instance :) Jan 24 16:20:44 leinir: I've been talking with Frank about this stuff for quite a while, but I think a separate implementation really makes sense here Jan 24 16:21:31 qgil: we're working on a little dot article on the topic, yeah :) Jan 24 16:22:02 but using OBS&OCS already allows us to have shared back-end and front-ends Jan 24 16:22:05 bergie: knowing the reasons would be useful :) Jan 24 16:22:09 so there isn't that much duplication :-) Jan 24 16:22:29 qgil: more flexibility in workflows and design, mostly Jan 24 16:22:36 leinir: But nothing was mentioned about this at Franks BOF at the conference either? Jan 24 16:22:53 bergie: *nods* Indeed :) But yeah, it's really just that i'm wondering about the reasonings behind that decision - an existing solution exists, why not use it? as i said, i'm sure you've got a good reason, just that this reason isn't clear to those outside the team :) Jan 24 16:23:19 bergie: are we again in front of the old dilemma 'improving a big effort' vs 'executing our smaller effort'? Jan 24 16:23:47 qgil: the big effort benefits come from OCS+OBS, IMO Jan 24 16:24:03 for the actual "web view" I think flexibility is a good thing Jan 24 16:24:38 Also the complete workflow of the process will be abstracted in BOSS. Jan 24 16:24:44 X-Fade: The openSuse App Store? No, because this particular bit of work happened sort of quite quickly and suddenly :) But everything else has been there for ages :) Jan 24 16:24:51 bergie: meh, sorry I can't avoid feeling suspicious :) But anyway, if we want an Apps catalog running in 3 months we don't have much time for (more) experiments Jan 24 16:24:54 I guess the software running opendesktop.org could be modified to fit our UI and workflow needs, but it is probably more work Jan 24 16:25:01 Which is what the CORE OBS uses too. Jan 24 16:25:08 qgil: certainly Jan 24 16:25:09 But sure, if you're set on following a strict system like BOSS, absolutely, then it makes sense to build a tool around that :) Jan 24 16:25:53 leinir: maemo.org downloads had custom hand-built workflows, and that ended up being cumbersome to maintain. That is why we'll use BOSS instead Jan 24 16:25:59 so the web interface can be just a thin shell Jan 24 16:26:59 bergie: *nods* makes sense, yeah :) Well, in that case i'd suggest making a note of that somewhere... because, well, it isn't really clear from the outside why :) Jan 24 16:28:02 leinir: of course there can be more collaboration with Frank... both web frontends are built in PHP, so maybe some classes could be shared Jan 24 16:28:26 (though PHP doesn't traditionally make that too easy, see http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/php-finally_getting_an_ecosystem/) Jan 24 16:28:41 Well, the lib_ocs.php class would be a sensible starting point for that :) Jan 24 16:29:14 It'll need adaptation - right now it's tied somewhat to H01, but it shouldn't really be too much work to add a translation layer for that :) Jan 24 16:29:36 Where to change the Hostname/Computer Name of a machine running MeeGo. /etc/HOSTNAME seems to be ignored. I primarily want to change my Bluetooth-ID, though I am not happy about my computer being named like my user, that doesn't make it more secure... Jan 24 16:29:49 leinir: check out https://github.com/xfade/com_meego_ocs Jan 24 16:30:01 *clicks* :) Jan 24 16:30:41 on a bit longer term I'd like to have one sufficiently generalized OCS library that could be contributed to Zeta Componentd Jan 24 16:31:02 a bit like http://incubator.apache.org/zetacomponents/documentation/trunk/Feed/tutorial.html Jan 24 16:32:58 Btw, who had the idea of putting peoples' full name in the Bluetooth-ID at first place? Jan 24 16:39:01 No idea where i can change bluetooth-id or whatever you may call it... Jan 24 16:39:02 ? Jan 24 16:40:14 There is some glitch when pairing with my maemo-running n900, i have to confirm the PIN first at the netbook or it won't work, though the device shows up as trusted on N900. File this bug against Bluetooth or something more special? Jan 24 16:45:34 lcuk: node 12 blow up today with a bang Jan 24 17:07:59 qgil: ping Jan 24 17:23:32 How can I get zypper to tell me the URL of the repos I'm using? Jan 24 17:23:38 zypper lr doesn't do that Jan 24 17:24:46 Oh. Jan 24 17:24:50 zypper lr -u Jan 24 17:25:01 jeremiah, I couldn't get it too either, I ended up cat'ing the repo file from /etc/zypp..... Jan 24 17:25:05 oooh it does Jan 24 17:32:46 hi Jan 24 17:33:21 how can i install bogo filter for the mailsoftware? Jan 24 17:43:34 effchen|2: what mail software are you referring too? Jan 24 17:58:11 how do i access the bootloader of meego netbook? Jan 24 17:59:04 i've just booted my n900 into meego 1.1 on my microsd card. how can i access the maemo rootfs? Jan 24 18:09:39 hi everyone my system crashed while installing sudo mad-admin create -f # meego-handset-ia32-1.1.2 now when i retyped this,its asking me to delete the files first,how can i do that ?? Jan 24 18:09:53 hi everyone my system crashed while installing "sudo mad-admin create -f # meego-handset-ia32-1.1.2" now when i retyped this,its asking me to delete the files first,how can i do that ?? Jan 24 18:11:58 hi all :) Jan 24 18:12:11 would this be an appropriate channel for a SDK install question? Jan 24 18:15:26 has anyone played arround with the folio 100 ? Jan 24 18:22:31 auke: guess its called evolution Jan 24 18:24:02 effchen|2: ok - I don't think meego has bogofilter packaged - you'll have to install it yourself Jan 24 18:24:19 apart from that there should be a config panel to add header rules in evolution Jan 24 18:24:51 i just want a spam filter Jan 24 18:25:03 which one is not so imporntant Jan 24 18:25:09 -n Jan 24 18:25:13 ^^ Jan 24 18:26:35 has no one ever tried to access the maemo rootfs from meego on a n900? Jan 24 18:26:56 nze`: need to modprobe ubifs and mount it as a ubifs Jan 24 18:29:05 Stskeeps: thanks Jan 24 18:29:20 Stskeeps: which device is it actually? Jan 24 18:30:49 nze`: mtdblock3 or 4, i forget Jan 24 18:34:39 is the anaconda installer from fedora/suse or is it one that moblin came up with itself? Jan 24 18:36:37 Hi, I am trying to build gst-plugins-base, but I am getting below error: Jan 24 18:36:39 + exec rpmbuild -ba --define '_srcdefattr (-,root,root)' /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base.spec error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz: No such file or directory Jan 24 18:36:56 Please tell me the any solution Jan 24 18:37:18 please paste on pastie.org your entire build log. Jan 24 18:39:36 mkaran@mkaran-laptop:~/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base$ sudo build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.15.20110118.5/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 gst-plugins-base.spec [sudo] password for mkaran: logging output to /var/tmp/build-root/.build.log... Memory limit set to 4029384KB Using BUILD_ROOT=/var/tmp/build-root Using BUILD_ARCH=i686:i586:i486:i386 mkaran-laptop started "build gst-plugins-base. Jan 24 18:40:01 no no no .. Jan 24 18:40:05 i said pastie.org, a pastebin :) Jan 24 18:41:44 Stskeeps: mount complains with "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock{3,4}, missing codepage or helper program, or other error", dmesg shows UBIFS error: ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "$the_device", error -22 Jan 24 18:41:52 any idea? Jan 24 18:42:12 i used plain simple `mount -t ubifs $dev mnt' Jan 24 18:42:14 $ mount -t ubifs /dev/ubi0_0 /mnt/ubifs Jan 24 18:42:45 Stskeeps: I have pasted it on paste.org Jan 24 18:42:56 mkaran: and give resulting url, please Jan 24 18:42:57 alterego: pong Jan 24 18:43:03 Could you please tell me any solution Jan 24 18:43:31 qgil: still waiting on that email :) Jan 24 18:43:59 alterego: please forward again - I'm actually sending developer devices this week Jan 24 18:44:12 Okay, I'll do it now. Jan 24 18:45:12 Stskeeps: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/27859 Jan 24 18:45:15 alterego: any news on having the gprs stuff working on n900? Jan 24 18:45:21 +meego Jan 24 18:46:00 qgil: done. Jan 24 18:46:03 Stskeeps: I had no luck Jan 24 18:46:07 alterego: thanks Jan 24 18:46:09 mkaran: does gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz exist in ~/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base? Jan 24 18:46:20 alterego: ok, perhaps we do need a tutorial on how to make it work.. Jan 24 18:46:34 Stskeeps: i just have /dev/ubi_ctrl Jan 24 18:46:34 Stskeeps: some of the APIs changed and after spending a few hours looking at the QA tests things started breaking :) Jan 24 18:46:54 alterego: ah, work in progress, always lovely Jan 24 18:47:09 nze`: mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt/ubifs Jan 24 18:47:10 ? Jan 24 18:47:26 Stskeeps: great idea :) What did you think about my idea of having a UI with a database of all providers like ubuntu has for it's dialup broadband support Jan 24 18:47:37 Stskeeps: I have downloaded the code from git://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base.git Jan 24 18:47:59 that gz is not there Jan 24 18:48:06 where I will get it Jan 24 18:48:16 mkaran: ok, so, what you need to do is grab the srpm instead from repo.meego.com 'sources' directories Jan 24 18:48:30 and rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -id to unpack Jan 24 18:48:33 then you have something you can build Jan 24 18:49:03 so, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 is a great example of what i was talking about the other day about bad bugs Jan 24 18:49:17 Thanks Stskeeps Jan 24 18:49:24 the original description describes the symptoms which is fine Jan 24 18:49:42 but there are actually two problems being described by one bug Jan 24 18:49:58 and the comments are completely useless Jan 24 18:50:14 and also, which package does this bug belong to? you can't tell from the bugzilla Jan 24 18:50:47 ali1234: ah, that part is getting changed (package belongs to), there's -supposedly- a reorganisation underway that help narrow those things.. Jan 24 18:51:16 but yeah, you're right Jan 24 18:51:31 it seems like the best thing for me to do would be to open two new bugs for each of the individual problems and link them to this bug Jan 24 18:51:45 then write full descriptions of the problems and the workaround Jan 24 18:53:24 also i think that the bug report "form" leads to this kind of thing Jan 24 18:58:52 Stskeeps: now mount gives me "unknown filesystem type 'ubifs'" :\ Jan 24 18:59:01 modprobe? Jan 24 18:59:04 :P Jan 24 18:59:04 it should be easier to find the development images too, so i can actually test this bug on the latest installer Jan 24 19:00:58 Stskeeps: modeprobed it, but i can't verify the output of lsmod, because i can't pipe into grep (how do i type a | ?) and i can't scroll back the xterm either :/ Jan 24 19:01:15 nze`: ssh in over usb? Jan 24 19:02:08 Stskeeps: could you give me a pointer as to how i'd do that? Jan 24 19:03:56 nze`: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Jan 24 19:04:09 why do you want to get on the ubifs anyway? Jan 24 19:04:12 and not mmc? Jan 24 19:08:08 Stskeeps: i messed up a bit in maemo, in particular my sudoers file is 0640, which completely prevents me from becoming root. so i'm trying to get to maemo's /etc Jan 24 19:08:18 nze`: ah Jan 24 19:10:24 Stskeeps: it's quite a pain, because i can't just mount the rootfs on my pc or anything, and loading the meego kernel and booting from sd card was the closest i found to using a live cd Jan 24 19:10:31 nze`: if you just need a minimal rescue system that keeps out of your way then i highly recommend gentoo embedded :) Jan 24 19:10:41 aka gizard Jan 24 19:11:43 ali1234: i just need to get to the rootfs without installing anything (except on the sd card) Jan 24 19:11:48 yeah Jan 24 19:13:30 right now i have the 1.1 meego release from 2010/10/26 up and running, but i'm still struggling getting the maemo root mounted.. Jan 24 19:14:00 did you get in on ssh yet? Jan 24 19:14:00 nze`: grep UBI /boot/config* Jan 24 19:16:30 if it was me, i would compile a kernel with all the modules built in and then build a rootfs based on one of these: http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/linwizard/ Jan 24 19:17:05 (they have dropbear, busybox, and all that stuff) Jan 24 19:17:46 they use simple old init style, so just edit the inittab and /etc/init.d to your liking. easy. Jan 24 19:23:48 nze`: maybe this helps: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking Jan 24 19:24:41 does the image set the mac addresses of the usb networking modules to something "not completely random?" Jan 24 19:24:48 because that causes problems with network manager Jan 24 19:25:05 setting the remote end to the mac address of the n900 wifi is fine though Jan 24 19:25:42 i lol at the instructions for ubuntu on that page Jan 24 19:25:47 i guess it uses a random mac Jan 24 19:26:20 because if it didn't, you could just configure it through the GUI like any other interface and it would remember the settings Jan 24 19:26:28 the mac looks pretty random Jan 24 19:26:58 ok. this will only cause the problem that NM will never remember the settings because it uses the mac to ID connections Jan 24 19:27:46 i sincerely hope that i won't be doing this a lot :) Jan 24 19:28:21 i will perhaps open a bug about this when i am done writing bugs about the netbook bootloader Jan 24 19:30:18 basically meego should be running dhcp and avahi on the network interface instead of static config with random mac Jan 24 19:31:59 setting up networking would then consist of 4 steps: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/htc/Screenshot-6.png Jan 24 19:35:21 hmm also why does that page say to make udev rules naming it "N900__PC-Suite_Mode" - i didn't know meego supports nokia PC suite? Jan 24 19:35:57 well the device gets listed in nm as Nokia N900 (PC-Suite Mode) Jan 24 19:35:59 or is that string hardcoded in the kernel somewhere? Jan 24 19:36:11 (the desktop kernel that is) Jan 24 19:36:52 I think the option should simply say "not USB storage mode" Jan 24 19:37:14 ah i see, yeah Jan 24 19:37:27 anyway, you shouldn't need udev rules for this Jan 24 19:37:35 just fix the mac address! Jan 24 19:45:47 okay, i'm in Jan 24 19:46:37 # lsmod | egrep -i ubi : ubifs 164330 0 Jan 24 19:46:46 looks like it's loaded Jan 24 19:48:01 mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt still complains about not knowing ubifs Jan 24 19:48:02 wtf Jan 24 19:48:36 but having a proper keyboard and scrollback is already *soo* much better Jan 24 19:59:46 Stskeeps: here's the output from grep UBI /boot/conf* http://pastebin.com/VdxW3mnX Jan 24 20:00:52 nze`: looks correct Jan 24 20:02:38 why doesn't meego support ext4? Jan 24 20:03:16 i don't mean the installer Jan 24 20:03:28 it can't mount ext4 partitions *at all* Jan 24 20:03:40 is ext4 enabled in the kernel? Jan 24 20:03:44 which means i can't chroot into my ubuntu partition to reinstall grub after anaconda nuked it Jan 24 20:04:00 ali1234: personally i think it's "all features must be supported and maintained" taken a little too fa.. Jan 24 20:04:03 far Jan 24 20:04:04 which you can't prevent because the installer doesn't have the option Jan 24 20:04:14 wmarone: clearly not Jan 24 20:04:30 so that's another bug to add to the list Jan 24 20:06:32 all i wanted to do was install meego so i can build an rpm of my app for meego Jan 24 20:06:39 and i hit at least 5 problems Jan 24 20:07:00 eh, at least meego has a package for grub Jan 24 20:07:04 i can fix it like that Jan 24 20:07:50 actually this probably explains why the installer didn't add ubuntu as another OS Jan 24 20:08:14 ali1234: file a bug on ext4 support Jan 24 20:08:23 i will Jan 24 20:08:40 after i finish testing the installer in the newest image Jan 24 20:08:46 thanks Jan 24 20:08:59 which i can't do until i fix my bootloader back to how it was before i installed meego Jan 24 20:11:37 ah, grub is on the partition, so it's not gone Jan 24 20:11:58 hmm missing operating system??? Jan 24 20:12:12 wtf?!? Jan 24 20:12:39 re-run grub? Jan 24 20:15:20 i guess i need to rootnoverify it Jan 24 20:15:27 since meego can't mount the partition Jan 24 20:15:38