**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 27 02:59:57 2011 Jan 27 05:20:04 Is there a way to get the Myzone "appointments" times to 12-hour, instead of 24-hour? Everywhere else I have it setup for 12-hour, but it's still showing up 24 hour in there. Jan 27 06:42:14 anybody know what's mean in http://wiki.meego.com/How_to_run_a_translation_team : Process for joining an existing team. what I should do first? Jan 27 07:00:29 Hi, I am trying to build meego source code using the command $ sudo build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.15.20110118.5/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 cpio-2.11-2.12.src.rpm Jan 27 07:00:40 I am getting the below error Jan 27 07:00:49 RPMLINT report: =============== 1 packages and 0 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 3 warnings. Traceback (most recent call last): File "rpmlint.py", line 342, in File "rpmlint.py", line 146, in main File "rpmlint.py", line 206, in runChecks File "SpecCheck.py", line 196, in check File "SpecCheck.py", line 201, in check_spec File "Pkg.py", line 145, in readlines IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/rpmli Jan 27 07:00:49 why aren't you setting up an OBS? Jan 27 07:01:54 I am trying to create local build setup Jan 27 07:02:13 yes, and i think you will be saner if you set up a OBS :) Jan 27 07:02:17 that can do this for you Jan 27 07:02:24 I am referring the link http://wiki.meego.com/Local_Build_Without_OBS_Needed Jan 27 07:02:45 I am planing to port webm into meego Jan 27 07:02:56 so I need to create meego build setup Jan 27 07:03:42 Could you please tell me how can I create local build setup Jan 27 07:03:45 that's mostly a one-off thing, you're building more stuff. set up a OBS and have less pain. http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Jan 27 07:03:54 that's what everyone else is doing :P Jan 27 07:06:57 Stskeeps: I have taken source code from git://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base.git Jan 27 07:07:21 Could you please tell me is there any other repository for Meego Jan 27 07:07:43 because I have seen latest gstreamer version is 0.10.31 Jan 27 07:07:56 there's the source RPMS / OBS contents which is authorative Jan 27 07:08:01 but in the git repository, it is 0.10.25 Jan 27 07:09:45 you're also looking at maemo-multimedia, not meego :P Jan 27 07:10:40 ok Jan 27 07:10:50 Thanks a lots Stskeeps Jan 27 07:11:25 but set up a OBS, really, save yourself :) Jan 27 07:12:56 I am trying to create OBS setup Jan 27 07:13:39 Please me I have without OBS setup, Now if I try for OBS setup,, is there any problem Jan 27 07:13:56 or I have uninstall with OBS setup Jan 27 07:14:14 Please tell me Jan 27 07:15:28 you set up an OBS in a virtual machine Jan 27 07:15:45 or on real hardware, replacing the existing OS Jan 27 07:15:52 it's a network appliance Jan 27 07:17:19 ok Jan 27 07:18:15 i'm currently modifying duihome source, Jan 27 07:19:01 and in the plaindesktopbackgroundextension project, this class is inherited by QObject Jan 27 07:19:31 then, how can i get an mouse event? Jan 27 07:20:06 well, doesn't it export some kind of view itself? Jan 27 07:22:20 well, i'm a newbie on Qt, so.. i couldn't understand this source code right now. Jan 27 07:22:32 i'ma a newbie too :P Jan 27 07:22:47 :) Jan 27 07:23:24 but i guess it uses pixmap data and by using GConf, it display .png image on the homescreen Jan 27 07:24:44 I just added ::event() function in the Plain~Extension class, but.. it doesn't get an event. :( Jan 27 07:38:57 moin Stskeeps Jan 27 07:40:06 moin Jan 27 07:40:08 * Stskeeps has some coffee Jan 27 07:40:20 mee too :) Jan 27 07:40:39 can I have some coffee too? Jan 27 07:41:21 * Stskeeps passes Tm_T the coffeepot Jan 27 07:42:21 thanks <3 Jan 27 08:00:44 Nokia N900 hardware adaptation meeting -now- in #meego-meeting Jan 27 09:12:57 great, after 3 months of filing a residence permt application, finnish immigration wants me to restart the process again Jan 27 09:15:54 amjad: immigration offices are crap in general :/ Jan 27 09:17:24 agreed :), now have to go to embassy again on monday and resubmit the docs and hope it goes through this time Jan 27 09:17:40 classic Jan 27 09:17:44 I gave up registering myself. Jan 27 09:19:51 my joining date according to employment contract was 1.12.2010 :) Jan 27 09:21:28 never heard any probs from the immigration office in finland before Jan 27 09:22:37 hena: there is always the first time :) Jan 27 09:22:40 except in tax related issues... ;) Jan 27 09:22:55 dunno how the system really works myself Jan 27 09:23:34 german people at previous place worked 2 years here and 6 months in german, or something like that Jan 27 09:23:48 no problem for EU nationals Jan 27 09:23:56 i am non-EU citizen :) Jan 27 09:24:14 oh yeah, obviously since there's the new free working anywhere act of eu :) Jan 27 09:24:35 i'm still in pre-eu mindset... Jan 27 09:24:40 :) Jan 27 09:24:51 these take a while to set in... ;) Jan 27 09:25:02 immigration offices are like that, unless you have some special circumstances or know a backdoor in Jan 27 09:25:21 here in Norway, we fall under the "specialised worker" clause, so we have special treatment Jan 27 09:25:24 my wife got in quite ok, for obvious reasons Jan 27 09:25:35 well i was hoping my employer in helsinki, would have better idea Jan 27 09:25:49 and after the police lost a few applications and cost us one or two good people, they have been helpful Jan 27 09:26:02 but i don't her ever even exchanging much papers Jan 27 09:26:04 but looks like the hr and me are in same boat regarding visa Jan 27 09:26:08 *remember Jan 27 09:27:57 well the problem is that hr of the company applied for me in "regular employment" , and when the application came to immigration for processing, they replied back that i should apply in "highly skilled worker clause" and fill the formms again Jan 27 09:28:40 ah Jan 27 09:28:50 that's prolly your benefit ;) Jan 27 09:29:18 (or looks better in paper) Jan 27 09:29:42 but that would be too french :p Jan 27 09:29:51 :) Jan 27 09:30:24 well i was hoping to be in helsinki by jan end , now not sure how much long it will take Jan 27 09:30:54 umm, so you can't even come before the paperwork? Jan 27 09:31:27 do you need it for your visa or something? Jan 27 09:31:45 well i can come as a tourist, but i need a work permit to work there Jan 27 09:32:16 i thought you could even work for a while Jan 27 09:32:30 only for EU nationals, i am non-EU :) Jan 27 09:32:36 ah, ok Jan 27 09:33:19 so euist Jan 27 11:01:30 are apps from /etc/xdg/autostart started with meego or root privilleges? Jan 27 11:01:35 meego Jan 27 11:01:38 thx Jan 27 11:15:14 hello Jan 27 11:18:29 Hi. Anyone managed to get network going on an Acer Aspire One D255? Jan 27 11:19:31 brankom: what kind of NIC does it have? Jan 27 11:20:38 alterego: Attansic Technology Copr. Device 2060 (rev c1) - seems to work after a reboot now. Jan 27 11:21:06 If I face any more problems, I'll try to investigate it a bit and report a bug , just bought the netbook ;) Jan 27 11:23:21 brankom: these things are usually resolved in the forums, so try searching there. Jan 27 11:24:23 alterego: I will. I already ran into some posts on the net regarding this issue, so I might be of some help at least in debugging and testing. Jan 27 11:35:51 wmarone: out of curiousity, have you tried out QML yet? Jan 27 11:35:54 err. Jan 27 11:35:55 wassupnari: Jan 27 11:37:32 Stskeeps: I missed the meeting this morning :( Completly forgot. Jan 27 11:37:52 My Calendar should have reminded me Jan 27 11:39:29 how to make a QML application run on top of duihome, with .desktop files? I'd like my QML application to run automatically on startup, and give the user chance to close it, and reveal casual handset desktop Jan 27 11:39:42 nay ideas? Jan 27 11:40:07 nazgee: autostart it? Jan 27 11:40:31 [Desktop Entry] Exec=/usr/bin/finfc X-Moblin-Priority=Low OnlyShowIn=X-MEEGO-HS; Jan 27 11:40:52 this does not seem to work - app is visible in ps aux, but it is not displayed Jan 27 11:49:20 nevermind, I helped myself ;] Jan 27 11:49:41 Yay! Best kind of help :) Jan 27 12:05:03 We're not using modest in meego are we? Jan 27 12:05:34 thank god no Jan 27 12:05:53 modest actually quite improved even from pr1.2 Jan 27 12:06:06 it works well for me now that my 3G data provider stopped to play around Jan 27 12:06:15 I mean, starting with 1.2 Jan 27 12:06:19 * sivang is quite happy with it Jan 27 12:06:34 what the email client/infra than in meego? Jan 27 12:07:06 qmf based, prolly Jan 27 12:08:05 Evolution backend though? Jan 27 12:08:14 I think so Jan 27 12:08:29 Cool Jan 27 12:08:33 or maybe not, it is probably in the architecture page Jan 27 12:08:45 I'll have a look in a bit. Jan 27 12:08:47 bbiab Jan 27 13:15:51 hey does anyone have experience having sbox and osc installed at the same time Jan 27 13:16:07 s/sbox/scratchbox Jan 27 13:16:55 kavacha: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox Jan 27 13:21:07 arm and armeb names have changed to qemu-arm and qemu-armeb Jan 27 13:27:51 Stskeeps and Kaadlajk : Thanks !! all working again Jan 27 13:33:47 ok, it seems i did not help myself good enough Jan 27 13:34:22 i still can't get my QML application to run on top of standard meego desktop Jan 27 13:34:32 i can see it in ps aux Jan 27 13:35:23 i can see it's log, but it is not displayed Jan 27 13:36:15 handset? Jan 27 13:37:35 nazgee: -fullscreen? Jan 27 13:37:41 yes Jan 27 13:37:45 is fullscreen bad? Jan 27 13:37:55 shouldn't be.. qmlviewer? Jan 27 13:38:12 it's a qt app, that runs qml inside it Jan 27 13:38:22 thiago: yes, handset Jan 27 13:38:34 nazgee: does it show in task switcher? Jan 27 13:38:38 yes Jan 27 13:38:49 eermmm Jan 27 13:39:00 it is visible in ps Jan 27 13:39:09 i can see it in uxlaunch log being launched Jan 27 13:39:35 it definitely runs Jan 27 13:39:45 nazgee: there were some bugs with mcompositor that made non-MTF apps not show Jan 27 13:40:03 when i launch it from cmd-line Jan 27 13:40:07 it runs fine Jan 27 13:40:26 but i can't have it run manually Jan 27 13:40:40 and i do not want to do some dirt hacks with init.d scripts Jan 27 13:41:02 it would be great if i could solve it with .desktop file in autostart dir Jan 27 13:42:54 crap, should I set DISPLAY variable somehow or what? Jan 27 13:43:18 (it's obvious that I have to, when i ran it from cmdline) Jan 27 13:44:51 * nazgee pulls his dreadlocks out... it's probably easier than pulling casual hair out Jan 27 13:55:26 ping lbt Jan 27 13:55:40 pong ScriptRipper Jan 27 13:55:49 hi, how are you? Jan 27 13:56:16 pretty good Jan 27 13:56:37 realising we really need *much* better OBS monitoring Jan 27 13:57:41 and much better bug fixing for open bugs Jan 27 13:58:05 hi thiago Jan 27 14:14:35 Hi Jan 27 14:14:42 How are translations generally handled in meego? Jan 27 14:14:45 gettext? Jan 27 14:18:23 ingwa_: Good question. I think there is some info on the wiki about it, I know there is a team that handles internationlization so if one of them is here they'll be able to answer. Jan 27 14:18:45 I just need a very general answer Jan 27 14:23:38 ingwa: http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team ? Jan 27 14:32:41 andre__: thanks Jan 27 14:35:33 I am surprised to find meego does not have a twitter page or does it? Jan 27 14:35:40 meegocom Jan 27 14:38:26 bigbrovar: what target, handset or netbook ? Jan 27 14:39:20 slaine: just a general twitter page. or does it have a separate one for handset and netbook? Jan 27 14:40:07 the MyZone panel hooks into twitter and displays a mosaic of your received tweets Jan 27 14:40:40 you can then go to the status panel and type in tweets and see a scrollable list Jan 27 14:40:45 that's on the netbook Jan 27 14:41:02 meegocom app on handset i believe Jan 27 14:43:29 slaine: do u run meego on a netbook? Jan 27 14:43:38 yup Jan 27 14:43:51 last time I tried was with moblin (some 2 years back) and was impressed by it then Jan 27 14:44:02 I am sure things have improved a lot more since Jan 27 14:52:48 anyone using the latest weekly build QEMU image? Jan 27 14:53:18 I'm unable to get the UI running Jan 27 14:53:47 I can run qemu and ssh into it, but uxlaunch fails Jan 27 14:54:14 libEGL fatal: DRI2: failed to authenticate Jan 27 14:54:32 (from .xsession-errors) Jan 27 14:56:03 Hq, xhost + maybe? i don't know Jan 27 14:57:41 but I can't use xhost when X is not running, right? Jan 27 14:57:54 it's "unable to open display" Jan 27 14:59:32 xhost + allow X host to your qemu image Jan 27 15:02:07 oh, right Jan 27 15:02:22 uxlaunch need X. qemu use X from your linux distri Jan 27 15:04:22 still getting the same error Jan 27 15:05:13 libEGL = opengl ? need accelerated video card? Jan 27 15:05:51 I have an AMD card Jan 27 15:06:12 an older qemu image did work through mad remote Jan 27 15:08:33 ahh ok if an older image work and you change nothing, do a bugzilla. Jan 27 15:09:25 have you checked if there's open bug about the issue? Jan 27 15:12:37 not yet Jan 27 15:16:25 Hq`: not running it but interested to know if that last build solves the problem when running on the latest ubuntu Jan 27 15:42:29 with zypper, how do I list the available patterns ? Jan 27 15:49:12 ah ok, just don't give pattern any params Jan 27 16:01:21 lbt, ping? Jan 27 16:01:36 slaine, Howdy Jan 27 16:01:57 dneary_: hey Jan 27 16:02:05 slaine, You said "bugzilla's my crazy metric" - what did you mean by that? Jan 27 16:03:37 I can judge how crazy I am based on how many P1 Blockers keep appearing Jan 27 16:16:38 Interesting. MeeGo uses btrfs by default? Jan 27 16:16:49 yes Jan 27 16:17:10 Pushin' that envelope with it, eh? heh Jan 27 16:17:38 it's actually a little frustrating for "multi-boot" setups because you end up with basically incompatible distros unless you do work Jan 27 16:18:05 Eh. I personally don't dual-boot my netbook, so I'm okay there. heh Jan 27 16:18:05 (just a personal rant) Jan 27 16:18:34 Psi-Jack: on netbook only Jan 27 16:18:56 on handsets and tablets it's probably ubifs or something else Jan 27 16:19:10 heh, hmmm. Jan 27 16:23:56 for ssd's it could maybe be NILFS ? or is that project still going on? :) Jan 27 16:37:20 Hello Jan 27 16:37:52 I have a question -> I got a WeTab and I wan't to run a qml application on it, can anyone point me to some how-to ? Jan 27 16:38:45 i don't have a wetab but does it have qmlviewer ? Jan 27 16:38:57 the problem is that it doesn't Jan 27 16:39:16 toninikkanen: brtfs choice is actually mainly because of ssds and other non-rotating storage, afair Jan 27 16:39:18 I have a few qml files (this is my app) and I would like to launch it there Jan 27 16:39:24 dneary_: pong Jan 27 16:39:49 Dariusz, http://wetab.mobi/developers/ ? Jan 27 16:39:59 Dariusz: if it has Qt 4.7 then write a small viewer app to load your qml Jan 27 16:40:00 i thought btrfs was optimized especially for spinning metal storage, which may be overengineering for ssd's, but i don't realy know too much. Jan 27 16:40:04 IIRC it's based on MeeGo 1.0 and it had Qt 4.6 Jan 27 16:40:42 I could be wrong though Jan 27 16:40:51 download Qt 4.7 yourself compile it and run then run qmlviewer? Jan 27 16:40:59 -run Jan 27 16:41:18 as a maemo build ? Jan 27 16:41:40 cause the WeTab has Intel Atom inside I think Jan 27 16:43:08 can you find qt 4.7 installable from zypper ? Jan 27 16:43:31 good point - checking that Jan 27 16:45:53 libqtcore4 is already installer - that's a good sign I think Jan 27 16:46:19 but it's likely version 4.6 Jan 27 16:46:20 installed* Jan 27 16:47:59 ok - silly me Jan 27 16:48:08 zypper install qt-qmlviewer Jan 27 16:48:21 ahh that sounds promising! Jan 27 16:48:30 it works - nice Jan 27 17:09:36 lbt, I hope you didn't mind my off-list comment on your post Jan 27 17:10:11 I really did put effort into reading it, but I just wasn't sure at the end what questions specifically needed answering, and what work needs doing Jan 27 17:12:19 lbt, The executive summary covering open questions, actions and resources required would have been useful to me Jan 27 17:21:41 dneary_: I rarely mind private emails Jan 27 17:22:09 lbt, Hope you don't mind the same thing on IRC either :) Jan 27 17:22:11 it could have done with an exec summary ... but it took me 3 weeks to write what I wrote :) Jan 27 17:22:20 I could tell! Jan 27 17:22:22 ;) Jan 27 17:22:39 I was procrastinating too long Jan 27 17:22:53 so I just said I'm not sleeping 'til it's sent :) Jan 27 17:23:31 and I figured a blog post and email is a good start and it can be pulled apart onto the wiki Jan 27 17:24:11 X-Fade is helping with that too ... so feel free to help garden the wiki around it Jan 27 17:59:25 * lcuk smiles at seeing my N900 getting started guide. Jan 27 18:29:48 I'm trying to get the Japan scim to work. Anyone by chance know how? I've gotten Japan Kana to work, but that's not really what I want. Jan 27 19:28:01 is the touchscreen works on all netbook applications in MeeGo 1.1? Jan 27 19:28:04 hi Jan 27 19:28:07 does Meegos mail application support watching other Folders than INBOX? Jan 27 19:36:57 lbt: trying to parse your post Jan 27 19:36:57 :P Jan 27 19:37:17 :) Jan 27 19:37:30 it's for discussion ... please discuss Jan 27 19:38:54 what is the difference between mcompositer and mutter? are they any different from just being Window Manager Jan 27 19:39:17 first initial thought is "we need to seperate apps and surrounds", as those are two very different challenges Jan 27 19:39:37 yes - I intended that Jan 27 19:39:48 and discuss those seperately Jan 27 19:39:57 *nod* Jan 27 19:40:09 I almost did the first section as a different post Jan 27 19:40:21 but the policy and QA are similar Jan 27 19:40:24 apps is the 'open source' app store, surrounds is well, meego surrounds - what might go in, what might go out Jan 27 19:40:31 yep Jan 27 19:40:31 of meego, that is Jan 27 19:40:48 but... then you have Apps-extra :) Jan 27 19:41:01 ie App using surrounds Jan 27 19:41:11 as many of those in Extras do Jan 27 19:41:30 What do you mean by "surrounds"? Jan 27 19:41:42 hehe read the post :) Jan 27 19:42:14 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html Jan 27 19:43:49 Why not simply mark Meego-compliant apps as such on submission? Jan 27 19:43:59 By automatically checking their dependencies? Jan 27 19:44:25 Looks interesting, I'll read it in a bit. Jan 27 19:44:49 RST38h: yes.... not a problem Jan 27 19:44:52 i.e. why have a separate repository for the Meego-compliant apps? Jan 27 19:45:48 prevent inadvertant linking... it's 'pure' Jan 27 19:45:58 And, in the web interface or in the app manager, you can denote compliant appls with a little cute Meego logo (that people will of course completely ignore after a while) Jan 27 19:46:00 it's certainly arguable :) Jan 27 19:46:24 lbt: Oh, you won't prevent that by making separate repos Jan 27 19:46:25 lbt: so, what i would do is to start at frontend (app store), mark out what features we need, and then use that requirements sheet to model the backend Jan 27 19:46:32 lbt: But you * Jan 27 19:47:17 lbt: But you *may* prevent it by keeping a separate repo for Meego's core dev packages Jan 27 19:47:50 Will we have a donation infrastructure? Jan 27 19:48:14 Stskeeps: And may I also suggest a requirement for the front end to be *lightweight* and suitable for small 800x480 screens? Jan 27 19:48:36 Stskeeps: Because a mobile app store that you cannot browse from your mobile is a nonsense Jan 27 19:48:42 It's something that is increasingly being discussed in #maemo Jan 27 19:48:51 RST38h: it's not an app, it's an API Jan 27 19:49:06 alterego: I'd like one Jan 27 19:49:08 lbt: Mmmm. Jan 27 19:49:39 I'd be willing to do a Qml apps installer :) Jan 27 19:50:12 Why only donations and not a payment system with donation option? Jan 27 19:50:15 was there ever a decision on whether software in the community repositories that actually used the repos like they should were "Compliant"? Jan 27 19:50:39 Donation = Download [+Pay], Paid = Pay + Download Jan 27 19:50:43 RST38h: sounds od to me Jan 27 19:50:47 good .. Jan 27 19:51:12 wmarone: Yes Jan 27 19:51:26 can i install meego on Nokia N9? Jan 27 19:51:43 McPels1: you mean the device that doesn't exist? Jan 27 19:51:46 do you have one? if not, no Jan 27 19:51:48 wmarone: And I think Intel people insisted on the stricter compliance definition (i.e. app depends only on core Meego packages) Jan 27 19:52:45 RST38h: so requiring extras apps to bundle non-core libraries? Jan 27 19:52:56 wmarone:essentially yes Jan 27 19:53:03 alterego: Sorry! I mean N8! Jan 27 19:53:14 bleh, no point in having a repository or package management then Jan 27 19:53:16 McPels1: then no Jan 27 19:53:40 wmarone: you can have MeeGo-compliant or MeeGo-extra ... which do you prefer? Jan 27 19:53:53 wmarone: Which pretty much kills the "compliance" thing for most open source developers, but not much to do about it Jan 27 19:53:57 Surrounds is about making the latter Jan 27 19:54:13 alterego: Ahan! Tnx! Jan 27 19:54:30 lbt: BTW, can Meego-extra packages depend on each other in your model? =) Jan 27 19:55:06 RST38h: yes, but that's kinda the point at which the common bit goes into surrounds Jan 27 19:55:15 what evdev version is meego1.1? Jan 27 19:55:21 unless it's one 'app' depending on another Jan 27 19:55:29 lbt: ah, ok Jan 27 19:55:35 The key to Surrounds is QA and release management Jan 27 19:55:48 lbt: So Surrounds is basically a separate area for non-user/* apps Jan 27 19:55:50 RST38h: inclusion of the extras repos is still not "compliant but optional," correct? Jan 27 19:56:09 wmarone: correct Jan 27 19:56:10 im totally stuck with my touchscreen in exopc..can somebody help..i did follow the steps and xorg.conf but fail Jan 27 19:56:16 RST38h: mmm Jan 27 19:56:18 no Jan 27 19:56:23 more - user-maintained apps Jan 27 19:56:24 lbt: so, surrounds is shared libs, and apps is apps Jan 27 19:56:25 wmarone: afaik, in Meego proper there is no provision for Extras Jan 27 19:56:33 lbt: what about app plugins? Jan 27 19:56:34 right, and that was driven home by Intel Jan 27 19:56:45 Surrounds is more about 'community managed' Jan 27 19:56:54 Apps is "developer managed" Jan 27 19:56:55 wmaron: there is compliant and non-compliant, and if you require some weird non-core stuff you are non-compliant Jan 27 19:57:18 lbt: And what if a isingle developer maintains something from surrounds? Jan 27 19:57:30 RST38h: that's where policy comes in :) Jan 27 19:57:37 There was a discussion about basing QA on Ovi QA process, that could be applicable here yes? Jan 27 19:57:53 what level do we want - there's a suggestion that there should be at least 2 Jan 27 19:58:15 (sorry, in maemo extras we've been talking about it) Jan 27 19:58:36 alterego: yes... I propose we evolve maemo-extas into Apps Jan 27 19:58:58 lbt: I think you are adding unnecessary policies and divisions here Jan 27 19:59:05 lbt: hows the maemo extras obs stuff coming along? Jan 27 19:59:19 RST38h: possibly ... Jan 27 19:59:20 hello..which evdev ver is meego 1.1 for netbook? Jan 27 19:59:42 lbt: Think: is there a practical reason to make a difference between Extras and Surrounds? Jan 27 19:59:44 alterego: not top priority ... I'd like to get someone to help complete Fremantle Jan 27 19:59:57 RST38h: yes Jan 27 20:00:04 And what is it? Jan 27 20:00:05 Are there any other ecosystems out there with models that work we can look at? Jan 27 20:00:22 alterego: Ubuntu Jan 27 20:00:32 RST38h: did you read the post? (if you don't mind me checking :) ) Jan 27 20:00:50 alterego: not really... the issue is that MeeGo isn't a distro Jan 27 20:00:53 lbt: I did, and it is a very long and analytical post Jan 27 20:00:59 lbt: I'd like to help, but I'm yet to get to grips with obs. Is there a document/wikipage that's discussing what needs to be done for fremantle obs? Jan 27 20:01:05 RST38h: OK .. :) Jan 27 20:01:42 lbt: But I would still like to ask for a practical reason to keep Surrounds separate from Extras Jan 27 20:01:46 RST38h: do you mean Maemo-Extras and Surrounds or MeeGo-Apps and MeeGo-Surrounds? Jan 27 20:02:00 Meego-* Jan 27 20:02:01 I have an app which I build for fremantle, and will be starting to port to meego ths weekend. Jan 27 20:02:13 RST38h: they are separate Jan 27 20:02:23 So I'm very interested in obs for this :) Jan 27 20:02:38 RST38h: oh, sry ... misparsed Jan 27 20:03:02 Surrounds needs to be adopted by a community team Jan 27 20:03:12 Apps are 'best efforts' Jan 27 20:03:42 How about a click from community obs into apps? Jan 27 20:04:02 So a developer can promote their community obs builds to meego apps? Jan 27 20:04:03 alterego: OK ... join the http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces Build Fremantle on the OBS Jan 27 20:04:05 Ah ok Jan 27 20:04:12 lbt: thx Jan 27 20:04:13 alterego: yes... exactly Jan 27 20:04:36 BUT, what does "being adopted by community team" gives you in practical terms? Jan 27 20:04:47 You still do not become Meego-compliant Jan 27 20:04:50 RST38h: dedicated QA? Jan 27 20:05:26 RST38h: the team should QA it and fix it as normal distro Maintainers Jan 27 20:05:28 alterego: Based on our current Maemo experience, how much value is that? Jan 27 20:05:45 Surrounds is *almost* a distro Jan 27 20:05:45 RST38h: we don't have it in maemo Jan 27 20:06:04 I'd actually like Surrounds to *be* the MeeGo distro in time Jan 27 20:06:07 alterego: Exactly. And do we suffer from not having it? :) Jan 27 20:06:27 RST38h: No, but would you say we've hit critical mass? Jan 27 20:07:03 lbt: Ok, so Surrounds in actually the unofficial part of Meego distro maintained by certain group of willing people apart from corporately standardized main body? Jan 27 20:07:04 I guess also, non-community oriented developers will look to ship to Ovi et al over a MeeGo communit repo Jan 27 20:07:17 and how did apps in Diablo fare during the upgrade to Fremantle alterego? Jan 27 20:07:19 alterego: not really Jan 27 20:07:26 RST38h: yes Jan 27 20:07:35 lbt: they didn't really :D Jan 27 20:07:54 alterego: you hit critical mass when serious security/stability issues start popping up with Extras apps every week or so Jan 27 20:08:05 alterego: And we are LONG way from that :) Jan 27 20:08:09 alterego: and that's the point Jan 27 20:08:17 alterego: Hell, we are long way from that even with Extras-Devel Jan 27 20:08:29 we'd like to ensure Surrounds evolves to track weekly releases of MeeGo Jan 27 20:08:54 *and* evolution of the packages in it Jan 27 20:09:11 lbt: Ok, this much is clear. Maybe calling Surrounds with a more precise name is in order? Jan 27 20:10:13 lbt: Meego-Community-Edition for example Jan 27 20:10:15 RST38h: yep - part of the discussion Jan 27 20:10:25 lbt: This way there will not be misunderstanding Jan 27 20:10:33 ah, but it's not really that Jan 27 20:10:46 lbt: Certainly sounds this way Jan 27 20:10:47 RST38h: indeed Jan 27 20:11:29 That was to the earlier comment about extras devel. Jan 27 20:11:45