**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 29 02:59:56 2011
Jan 29 06:20:59 <Termana> morning
Jan 29 06:40:03 <kyb3R> lbt: pong
Jan 29 07:06:16 <dm8tbr> mood groaning
Jan 29 07:47:56 <AgentBlair> yay meego
Jan 29 07:48:53 <AgentBlair> if only it were relevent in the USA :(
Jan 29 07:49:26 <dm8tbr> make it happen :)
Jan 29 08:53:23 <hirabayashitaro> hi everyone. I'm intrested in  taking contacts with the development team about the contacts management, but found no places except for http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-people which do not seem (at least to me) very community-oriented. Any suggestion?
Jan 29 08:57:02 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: contactsd and friends?
Jan 29 08:58:17 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: best way is to start a conversation on meego-dev@ probably with some specific questions
Jan 29 08:58:45 <Stskeeps> handset-people is just a frontend
Jan 29 08:58:49 <hirabayashitaro> Stskeeps: I suppose so, the tool for managing contacts, mail addresses, and so on
Jan 29 08:59:23 <Stskeeps> yeah, it's 'just' a reference application :)
Jan 29 09:00:27 <hirabayashitaro> and where can I suggest an improvement for this reference application?
Jan 29 09:01:02 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: well, meego-handset@ mailing list, or requirements process
Jan 29 09:01:22 <kyb3R> file a bug perhaps?
Jan 29 09:04:39 <hirabayashitaro> kyb3R: I thinked about it, but I suppose is something which requires some discussion because it involves different projects as it was told me
Jan 29 09:06:33 <hirabayashitaro> In practical I'd like to suggest an improvement of the contacts management adding the fields for phonetical transcription of names, which are supported by vCard but seems to be not supported by the Evolution-Data-Server, on which meego is based. Am I wrong?
Jan 29 09:07:44 <alterego> Not sure, if that's case we probably would want an up stream change in evolution
Jan 29 09:07:57 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: i'm personally not sure what the backend is supposed to be, but if vcard requires it, it might make it into meego
Jan 29 09:09:04 <alterego> Well, the platform backend is evolution, but we use Qt mobility APIs to interact with it.
Jan 29 09:09:35 <Stskeeps> alterego: i've also seen work on 'contactsd', so i wonder if things are changing
Jan 29 09:09:58 <alterego> Interesting, not heard of that before.
Jan 29 09:10:02 <hirabayashitaro> I'm not a programmer and I don't really know about the environment behind the contact list, but I suppose that expecially mobile phones are supposed to be as complete as possible on storing informations which the user brings with him in his pochet
Jan 29 09:10:41 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: agreed - it seems weird if there is no additional field option?
Jan 29 09:10:47 <alterego> hirabayashitaro: well, you'd hope any device wants to be as complete as possible.
Jan 29 09:11:53 <alterego> Well, it doesn't seem like a too common feature, is it available in Symbian?
Jan 29 09:12:29 <Normal_Guy> hello
Jan 29 09:12:53 <Normal_Guy> i need backup someone from Poland
Jan 29 09:13:01 <thiago_home> why from poland?
Jan 29 09:13:07 <hirabayashitaro> well, the phonetic field is used mainly in east asian countries, but there are many people related with Japan and China, and I think the market is also interesting for this kind of project
Jan 29 09:14:04 <alterego> I suspected it was a Japan/China thing, though I'm not saying that it makes your request any less important :)
Jan 29 09:14:19 <Normal_Guy> thiago_home: or someone who know Polish Language
Jan 29 09:15:08 <hirabayashitaro> alterego: well... it is, but it is not. I'm italian after all
Jan 29 09:15:59 <hirabayashitaro> alterego: and I think it will increase compatibility between devices, as the vCard is an international standard for sending and receiving contacts informations
Jan 29 09:16:15 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: well, a good direction will be to get it supported in backend - so, a feature/requirement on the roadmap
Jan 29 09:16:38 <hirabayashitaro> Stskeeps: and how can I achieve this?
Jan 29 09:17:15 <hirabayashitaro> Stskeeps: I'm sorry but I'm still not well understanding how things work in the meego community
Jan 29 09:17:31 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: sec
Jan 29 09:17:47 <thiago_home> Normal_Guy: no one can help you before they know what you need help with...
Jan 29 09:18:19 <Stskeeps> hirabayashitaro: http://meego.com/developers/requirements
Jan 29 09:19:51 <Normal_Guy> thiago_home: i don't know well english language so talk in Polish Language can better solve my problem
Jan 29 09:20:08 <Stskeeps> Normal_Guy: is it a meego problem?
Jan 29 09:20:30 <hirabayashitaro> Stskeeps: well, so I have to open a "bug"...
Jan 29 09:20:59 <Normal_Guy> Stskeeps: yes, i have problem with running MeeGo netbook on my Asus B53j
Jan 29 09:25:44 <alterego> [5
Jan 29 09:44:50 <Normal_Guy> .close
Jan 29 09:47:54 <alterego> Heh
Jan 29 10:10:43 <hhartz> anybody know how to get WLAN back on the ideapad with MeeGo netbook?
Jan 29 10:12:21 <thiago_home> need to download and install the broadcom drivers
Jan 29 10:12:30 <timoph> hhartz: you need to compile the driver. look at http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html
Jan 29 10:13:05 <hhartz> thiago_home: but it was working, suddenly wifi is disabled and can't be re-enabled
Jan 29 10:13:34 <thiago_home> did you do any upgrades?
Jan 29 10:14:50 <hhartz> thiago_home: probably
Jan 29 10:14:57 <hhartz> timoph: thanks, will try
Jan 29 10:15:01 <thiago_home> you need to reinstall the driver
Jan 29 10:15:15 <hhartz> thiago_home: ok, thanks. I'll follow timoph's link
Jan 29 10:15:29 <thiago_home> intel tried to give us netbooks with atheros wifi, but they weren't easy to get
Jan 29 10:15:58 <timoph> nice toy to play with anyway
Jan 29 10:20:18 <timoph> btw, there's a very noticeably performance boost to it when upgrading it's ram to 2gb
Jan 29 10:20:54 <timoph> IMO with 1gb it's barely usable since it's swapping memory all the time
Jan 29 10:29:49 <lbt> kyb3R: ping again
Jan 29 10:35:10 <kyb3R> lbt: pong
Jan 29 10:35:21 <kyb3R> again :)
Jan 29 10:35:47 <lbt> hi Jarrko
Jan 29 10:36:08 <kyb3R> hi David
Jan 29 10:36:10 <lbt> so... summit.fi
Jan 29 10:36:27 <lbt> I just wanteds to get a feel for the audience
Jan 29 10:36:45 <lbt> I heard the Oulo group were very commercially focused - vendor type interests
Jan 29 10:37:06 <lbt> and this would influence what I talked about wrt OBS/build/BOSS etc
Jan 29 10:37:19 <lbt> versus, say, community OBS, Surrounds, Apps
Jan 29 10:37:23 <lbt> or both
Jan 29 10:37:40 <kyb3R> Oulu is commercial yes
Jan 29 10:37:57 <kyb3R> rest of us are community oriented developers
Jan 29 10:38:47 <kyb3R> MeeGo Summit FI is developer and hacker oriented event
Jan 29 10:39:14 <kyb3R> so the audience might not want to hear about business kind of topics or ideas
Jan 29 10:39:20 <lbt> OK - so the recent Apps/Surrounds thing will have fleshed out by then
Jan 29 10:39:44 <lbt> and BOSS/automation is really important to do effective QA with limited community resource
Jan 29 10:39:50 <kyb3R> yeah
Jan 29 10:40:51 <kyb3R> btw, I'm just about to post a new blog entry which describes the difference of these two events (and related to third event in Russia)
Jan 29 10:41:02 <timoph> lbt: btw, is there something that e.g. me could contribute to BOSS development?
Jan 29 10:41:02 <lbt> ok ... good
Jan 29 10:41:25 <lbt> timoph: sure... it's GPL/python/ruby
Jan 29 10:41:38 <lbt> sec
Jan 29 10:42:03 <lbt> timoph: eg... this: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/SkyNET is our next important step
Jan 29 10:42:12 <timoph> since we have bit of an interest getting it into use so vilvo basically said that I could use work hours for that
Jan 29 10:42:28 <lbt> we *really* need to makes the components managable and productise it
Jan 29 10:42:42 <lbt> cool ... tell vilvo thanks :)
Jan 29 10:42:46 <lcuk3> you are making skynet?
Jan 29 10:43:14 <lbt> lcuk3: we are ;)
Jan 29 10:43:18 <timoph> :)
Jan 29 10:43:27 * lbt has identified the exoskeleton pattern too
Jan 29 10:43:45 <lbt> scared him off!
Jan 29 10:44:07 <hhartz> timoph: any other trick to get wlan back up? reboot didn't help after install..
Jan 29 10:44:07 <lcuk> no, just rise of the clones.
Jan 29 10:44:26 <lbt> timoph: so that needs python expertise
Jan 29 10:44:55 <timoph> I'm pretty novice with it
Jan 29 10:45:12 * timoph is mainly a c++ dev
Jan 29 10:45:37 <lbt> ok - so look at the design/stories
Jan 29 10:45:58 <lcuk> timoph, remember playing with lego as a kid?
Jan 29 10:46:22 <lbt> yeah if you can do C++ then python is easy (and kinda similar)
Jan 29 10:46:24 <timoph> lcuk: yep :)
Jan 29 10:47:12 <RST38h> lbt: Still think that "Surrounds" is the wrong name
Jan 29 10:47:18 * araujo greets around
Jan 29 10:47:27 <lcuk> python is similar :)
Jan 29 10:47:33 <lbt> kyb3R: I'll send you an email with bio etc... but verbal 'OK' for attending. Please feel free to suggest aspects around those areas that would engage and fit the talks
Jan 29 10:48:27 <lcuk> Yo! araujo
Jan 29 10:49:04 <lbt> RST38h: it's not too late ... but lets scope and define the project and then worry about the brand
Jan 29 10:49:20 <lbt> feel free to consider "Surrounds" a codeword
Jan 29 10:51:03 <lbt> if any python devs want to comment on issues in that design then I'm all ears BTW
Jan 29 10:51:08 <kyb3R> lbt: ok, thanks
Jan 29 10:51:22 * lbt isn't sure about dropping privs in a python app
Jan 29 10:52:26 <lbt> eg if I setuid and execute user provided code, do you get an open R/W filehandle to __file__ which allows you to hack at the source which runs as root next time?
Jan 29 10:55:01 <kyb3R> the blog entry: http://meego.ajatukseni.net/2011/01/29/meego-triangle-spring-2011/
Jan 29 10:55:20 <lbt> ta
Jan 29 10:56:37 <lcuk> kyb3R, :D I thought the meego triangle was related to a summit in Bermuda!
Jan 29 10:57:14 <kyb3R> :)
Jan 29 11:32:53 <jonnor> lbt: I'd try it out. Anyhow, executing user provided code in a setuid python app is not very nice in any case
Jan 29 11:33:21 <lbt> jonnor: why?
Jan 29 11:37:34 <thiago_home> requires a setuid python
Jan 29 11:37:44 <thiago_home> scripts don't get setuid protection
Jan 29 11:59:21 <hhartz> thiago_home: so, ideapad is still without wifi. when I think of it this happened before I upgraded and there were some articles online about having to install windows to re-enable the wifi hardware
Jan 29 12:00:28 <lcuk> hhartz, enter bios, reset and save
Jan 29 12:00:34 <lcuk> then reboot meego and afaik it works
Jan 29 12:00:42 <lcuk> </grapevine>
Jan 29 12:02:07 <odin_> ali1234, ping?
Jan 29 12:03:58 <hhartz> lcuk: awesome, thanks!
Jan 29 12:04:50 <lcuk> hhartz, make sure also that your wifi travel switch is set correctly.
Jan 29 12:05:03 <hhartz> lcuk: yep, been bitten by that before :)
Jan 29 12:48:23 <Matan[M]> hello! i written app to controll meego [handset] with Wii-Remote, so i have question, when will the app shop for Meego runs?
Jan 29 12:56:04 <Ans5i> Matan[M]: dunno. Maybe when they get device our
Jan 29 12:56:40 <Matan[M]> hmmm... so i must wait for Intel and Nokia turn...
Jan 29 12:57:38 <Ans5i> quick googling said that ovi supports maemo so one would guess that it would be compatible
Jan 29 12:58:30 <alterego> There is currently no app shop.
Jan 29 12:58:35 <alterego> Not for MeeGo handset.
Jan 29 12:59:49 <Matan[M]> alterego: huh? can you paste here some url for this shop?
Jan 29 13:00:08 <alterego> Matan[M]: did you read what I said?
Jan 29 13:00:20 <Ans5i> http://meegosoftware.com/
Jan 29 13:00:33 <Matan[M]> Ans5i: thx
Jan 29 13:01:41 <Ans5i> might be fake page.
Jan 29 13:01:53 <Ans5i> despite videos.
Jan 29 13:04:26 <alterego> There's nothing official about that page ..
Jan 29 13:06:46 <Ans5i> yep
Jan 29 13:07:31 <Ans5i> videos aren't fake afaik :)
Jan 29 13:07:47 <Ans5i> but site is.
Jan 29 13:08:54 <Ans5i> Matan[M]: best thing to do would be sent to mail to ovi store and open an account. it's quite cheap ~1$ and that's the place where meego store is coming.
Jan 29 13:09:44 <alterego> That's where the MeeGo store for Nokia MeeGo based handsets are.
Jan 29 13:26:54 <wazd> Heya everyone :)
Jan 29 13:27:15 <Stskeeps> lo wazd, how's stuff?
Jan 29 13:29:04 <wazd> Stskeeps: hey, fine as always, comming back home with lots of omweather and gpodder mockups :)
Jan 29 13:29:13 <wazd> Stskeeps: and you?)
Jan 29 13:29:53 <Stskeeps> wazd: hungover
Jan 29 13:30:18 <wazd> Stskeeps: eeek, good friday night? :)
Jan 29 13:30:38 <Stskeeps> wazd: quite, morning not so much
Jan 29 13:32:27 <wazd> Stskeeps, nice :) my weekend is spoiled with my apartments renovation :)
Jan 29 13:33:16 <wazd> Stskeeps: have to control everything myself if I want it done right
Jan 29 13:34:43 <Stskeeps> wazd: yeah, or risk coming back to something like http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC_0012.JPG
Jan 29 13:35:55 <wazd> Meheh :)
Jan 29 13:36:02 <Stskeeps> (yes, the thing on the floor was previously on the wall)
Jan 29 13:38:37 <lbt_away> Ans5i: thanks for the link. Escalated :)
Jan 29 13:44:46 <Stskeeps> lbt: ah, domain names.. that'll be a fun discussion
Jan 29 13:45:19 <lbt> yeah - but in this case it looks like out and out fraud
Jan 29 13:45:28 <Stskeeps> yeah, am not disagreeing
Jan 29 13:45:35 <Termana> heh
Jan 29 13:46:03 <lbt> and I have to say ... meego.com certs were a bit flakey for a while
Jan 29 13:46:50 <lbt> we need to be seen to be 'trustable'
Jan 29 13:47:05 <Stskeeps> http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=meego&de_search=Search&filter=n&bh=A&pool=C&bc=25
Jan 29 13:47:17 <lbt> Stskeeps: nb... bot VM ... let me know when's good
Jan 29 13:47:42 <lbt> 1588...
Jan 29 13:49:24 <Stskeeps> http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=meego&de_search=Search&filter=n&bh=A&pool=C&bc=25&time=20110129054558-25&page=6 is fun
Jan 29 13:49:52 <lbt> http://finiware.nl/
Jan 29 13:50:09 <wazd> I want to access meego forum in 1 click from the index, not 5(
Jan 29 13:50:11 <lbt> the guy who owns them is a .Net guy :)
Jan 29 13:51:13 <Stskeeps> http://whois.domaintools.com/repository-meego.com
Jan 29 13:51:59 <wazd> Meegoblin.com? :)
Jan 29 13:52:21 <wazd> Meego netbook edition codename :)
Jan 29 13:52:42 <Ans5i> Mee Go Blin
Jan 29 13:53:13 <lbt> Stskeeps: it's amazing that intel/nokia didn't go on a spending splurge when they knew the name ... especially all the obvious meego-* ones
Jan 29 13:53:41 <lbt> meh ....
Jan 29 13:53:54 <lbt> wazd: report a bug... mrshaver
Jan 29 13:54:12 <lbt> although I'm still pissed at the lack of forum/email work
Jan 29 13:54:23 <Stskeeps> lbt: i'm torn on meego* domain names, as some sites are good, some aren't
Jan 29 13:54:50 <lbt> you mean as official ones?
Jan 29 13:54:59 <wazd> Lbt: I've reported bug right at the MeeConf :)
Jan 29 13:55:21 <lbt> wazd: number?
Jan 29 13:55:22 <Stskeeps> lbt: well, also like 'meego experts' being trademark compliant
Jan 29 13:55:26 <Stskeeps> news sites, etc
Jan 29 13:55:49 <Termana> lbt, why go buy domain names when you can offer flakey evidence of piracy (even false flakey evidence) and have their domain revoked?
Jan 29 13:55:54 <Termana> :p
Jan 29 13:56:02 <Stskeeps> termana has a point
Jan 29 13:56:40 <lbt> Termana: it's cheaper
Jan 29 13:56:59 <Stskeeps> lo achipa
Jan 29 13:58:31 <Stskeeps> lbt: btw, nice little trick: did you know it's possible to make a 'detached root' in OBS? like, let's say i build meego base for armv6 using Trunk:Testing, i can break the umbilical cord / search path with removing <path> in meta prj
Jan 29 15:48:22 * CosmoHill installs the new ovi suite, looks at it and wishes he hadn't
Jan 29 15:48:38 <timoph> :)
Jan 29 15:48:44 <RST38h> You really had to do it to understand that?
Jan 29 15:49:00 <CosmoHill> I saw an update and thought "oo maybe it won't crash so much"
Jan 29 15:49:02 <RST38h> I mean, previous times weren't enough? =)
Jan 29 15:49:18 <CosmoHill> this is my first upgrade
Jan 29 15:50:36 <Ans5i> :-/
Jan 29 15:51:05 <Ans5i> actual ovi site is quite good
Jan 29 15:51:12 <CosmoHill> how do I get ride of this music player thing that I will never use?
Jan 29 15:51:15 <Ans5i> store i mean
Jan 29 15:51:32 <RST38h> Ans5i: Oh really? 8)
Jan 29 15:51:39 <Ans5i> i don't know, have not used it :)
Jan 29 15:52:22 <RST38h> CosmoHill: I actually started writing an Ovi Suite replacement of sorts
Jan 29 15:52:43 <CosmoHill> does it come with shiny things I don't use or want?
Jan 29 15:52:49 <RST38h> CosmoHill: Based on the PersonalWebServer idea Nokia had for Symbian but then killed
Jan 29 15:52:50 <Ans5i> yeah, i hope it has command line interface.
Jan 29 15:53:12 <RST38h> CosmoHill: It comes in your web browser
Jan 29 15:53:29 <CosmoHill> did you know by default the nokia 6220c only stores 20 text messages? I had to change that to 100
Jan 29 15:53:34 <RST38h> CosmoHill: runs on the device and exposes call logs, address book, etc via HTTP
Jan 29 15:53:52 <Ans5i> sounds like rest and cloud
Jan 29 15:53:54 <CosmoHill> interesting, does it require wifi?
Jan 29 15:54:26 <RST38h> Cosmo: Requires *some* network connection to the device, with an address to connect to. PWS had a proxy for that
Jan 29 15:55:12 * Ans5i joined meego-bar
Jan 29 15:55:19 <RST38h> Cosmo: Actually, we can do a proxy too, can't we? :)
Jan 29 15:58:32 <ivparamonov> lbt: could you please give me access to community OBS for building rpm packages?
Jan 29 15:58:37 <ivparamonov> my meego.com account name is ivparamonov
Jan 29 16:00:15 <alterego> He might not be about today ivparamonov
Jan 29 16:03:29 <ivparamonov> ok, I will try later
Jan 29 16:05:31 <lbt> ivparamonov: pong
Jan 29 16:05:40 <lbt> just checking .. open source?
Jan 29 16:05:50 <ivparamonov> lbt: yeah
Jan 29 16:05:58 <lbt> and not 'core meego' stuff ?
Jan 29 16:06:26 <ivparamonov> no, user GUI applications
Jan 29 16:06:32 <lbt> OK done
Jan 29 16:06:39 <ivparamonov> thank you!
Jan 29 16:06:40 <lbt> have fun :)
Jan 29 16:07:02 <CosmoHill> why am I reminded of that time my friend forked() a cluster
Jan 29 16:07:21 <lbt> seriously... how many lcuks do we need
Jan 29 16:08:00 <CosmoHill> they multiple whenever they hear the words "open source"
Jan 29 16:10:32 <smoku> lbt, what's about "not 'core meego' stuff"?
Jan 29 16:11:05 <Stskeeps> smoku: if they are supposed to work on build.meego.com and got the two OBS'es confused, i guess
Jan 29 16:11:40 <smoku> oh :)
Jan 29 16:12:53 <smoku> so, rebuilding Qt does not count? :>
Jan 29 16:20:18 * CosmoHill pokes lcuk 1, 2 & 3
Jan 29 16:22:31 <CosmoHill> salut thiago
Jan 29 16:27:06 <sivang> evening
Jan 29 16:28:07 <CosmoHill> can I delete C:/ProgramData/NokiaInstallerCache?
Jan 29 16:31:46 <sivang> oh, interestint question. I would not know. Is this on the device?
Jan 29 16:32:07 * sivang changes a laptop keyboard so things should be better with his spelling these days
Jan 29 16:32:13 <CosmoHill> nope, Windows 7, it's from the Ovi suite I think
Jan 29 16:32:27 <sivang> CosmoHill: have you uninstalled ovi suite?
Jan 29 16:32:33 <CosmoHill> sivang: QWERY?
Jan 29 16:32:42 <CosmoHill> nope, I'm still using it
Jan 29 16:32:53 <sivang> then my bet would be to save it
Jan 29 16:33:03 <CosmoHill> the folder is about 4 months old and I\ve been using the ovi suit since then
Jan 29 16:33:51 <sivang> I'd keep it unless I'm tighly constrained with free space.
Jan 29 16:34:45 <CosmoHill> fair enough, I'll just leave it then
Jan 29 16:36:53 <sivang> CosmoHill: if you are seeing problems with stuff you updated not being updated, this is something else. For me in chrome this means it has started relaying on its cache too much and I forecfully erase its cache so it would show my last modification to my pyramid project.
Jan 29 16:37:12 <sivang> (a web app project)
Jan 29 16:44:39 <CosmoHill> try pressing ctrl + F5
Jan 29 16:44:46 <CosmoHill> that should refresh without loading from cache
Jan 29 16:45:12 <sivang> CosmoHill: yes, this sometimes helps indeed.
Jan 29 17:14:45 <effchen_ADNW2> meego is great
Jan 29 17:15:05 <effchen_ADNW2> i have it on my eee1000
Jan 29 17:15:29 <alterego> I still need to play with meego netbook
Jan 29 17:16:17 <effchen_ADNW2> with java, ntsf and all codecs
Jan 29 17:16:28 <effchen_ADNW2> just good :-)
Jan 29 17:18:18 <CosmoHill> oh god, why am I watching Man U play
Jan 29 19:12:38 <Goliath23> hi
Jan 29 19:13:20 <Goliath23> whats with the rumors, that nokia will drop meego in favor of windows for smartphones? I hope nothing?
Jan 29 19:14:09 <thiago_home> rumours
Jan 29 19:14:41 <thiago_home> but you're definitely not going to find answers in a channel full of Nokia people
Jan 29 19:16:46 <Goliath23> true, I guess :)
Jan 29 19:19:04 * thiago_home won't comment on rumours, of course
Jan 29 19:20:52 <smoku> Goliath23, if Nokia wants to be yet-another HTC, this is a straight way for this goal :)
Jan 29 19:21:40 <thiago_home> "finnish boy who pisses himself in the Winter"...
Jan 29 19:21:54 <timoph> :)
Jan 29 19:27:44 <Goliath23> it's a pity, I really like my N900, and I would definately want to buy a successor.. but how did stallman put it? "A sucker is born every minute" .. so iPhone and Android wins?
Jan 29 19:29:16 <Stskeeps> Goliath23: meego.com's streaming right ahead, more and more jobs, resources are put into it every day
Jan 29 19:29:26 <Stskeeps> that's not normally a sign of something that is getting dropped :)
Jan 29 19:31:54 <kavacha> when is meego going to drop rpm and move to deb ? This it would be closer to a N900 successor :P
Jan 29 19:32:22 <Goliath23> Stskeeps: I wish all the best!
Jan 29 19:35:09 <Goliath23> maybe smartphones will end up like desktops. sold with iOS, windows, whatever preinstalled, and then the geeks put their (free as in speech) linux on it :)
Jan 29 19:36:12 <psycho_oreos> smartphones are already more or less like that
Jan 29 19:36:32 <psycho_oreos> when you buy the phone you essentially buy their OS that comes with it regardless if you wanted it or not
Jan 29 19:36:52 <RST38h> Smartphones already ended up as more or less generic ARM devices with iOS or Android or WP7 on them, tightly controlled by the manufacturer and the service provider
Jan 29 19:37:04 <RST38h> No space for the "hacker" there, really
Jan 29 19:39:48 <psycho_oreos> 1) don't forget symbian or webos or moblin :) 2) not really, iOS < v4 iirc allows users to install linux on it, wp7 was jailbreakable via that chevronwp7 hack before microsoft invited those hackers on their dev team and kindly told them to stop distributing chevronwp7 hack. Google Nexus One and Nexus S has unlocked bootloader
Jan 29 19:46:53 <dm8tbr> RST38h: that's why I like my Archos tablets. quite open, friendly, no hoops to jump through to start working on whatever embedded system I want. :)
Jan 29 19:47:24 <smoku> RST38h, you can already choose between 5 different OSes on HTC HD2
Jan 29 19:48:29 <smoku> so there is a space for hackers on mobile devices
Jan 29 19:49:56 * javispedro notes the HD2 case is probably caused because HTC reused the same hw many times
Jan 29 19:50:03 <RST38h> smoku: But none officially
Jan 29 19:50:42 <smoku> RST38h, if you buy a laptop, only Windows is officially supported
Jan 29 19:50:50 <RST38h> smoku: Actually, no.
Jan 29 19:50:54 <Goliath23> one thing I really liked about my N900 was, that someone ported syncevolution and made it possible for me to sync my pimdata to my personal horde server. doubt something like this is possible on WP7 or iOS4, don't know about android...
Jan 29 19:51:10 <RST38h> smoku: You mean it *comes*with Windows, butit does not mean that only Windows is supported
Jan 29 19:52:08 <smoku> RST38h, you can count linux supporting laptop on one hand fingers
Jan 29 19:52:28 <smoku> similarly with linux supporting mobile devices ;P
Jan 29 19:52:40 <RST38h> smoku: Again, you mistake "comes with linux" for "linux supported"
Jan 29 19:52:57 <RST38h> Different things
Jan 29 19:53:14 <RST38h> Manufacturers generally do not lock up laptop hardware or subsystems
Jan 29 19:53:21 <smoku> RST38h, I have'n seen a laptop supporting Linux _officially_ ever in my life
Jan 29 19:53:25 <berndhs> smoku: you mean these 3 laptops on my desk running 5 kinds of linux aren't working ?
Jan 29 19:53:35 <RST38h> smoku: Well there is first time for everything
Jan 29 19:53:50 <smoku> berndhs, does the laptop manufacturer support these linux installations?
Jan 29 19:53:51 <berndhs> berndhs: including the one that came with linux installed ?
Jan 29 19:54:26 <berndhs> smoku: what does the manufacturer do to support windows if something doesn't work right ?
Jan 29 19:54:50 <smoku> berndhs, I can call them and they will fix it
Jan 29 19:55:25 <berndhs> smoku: the manufacturer ? no they won't. they might send you a new laptop just like the old one, but they wont fix windows problems
Jan 29 19:55:39 <smoku> by the same argument - I have three mobile devices oficially supporting linux
Jan 29 19:55:51 <smoku> so this means that every mobile device supports linux?
Jan 29 19:55:53 <RST38h> and they are?
Jan 29 19:57:48 <smoku> this is the exact same case
Jan 29 19:58:24 <smoku> yes. we do lack drivers for mobile hardware
Jan 29 19:58:37 <smoku> but few years ago we lacked drivers for PC hardware
Jan 29 20:00:15 <smoku> on snapdragon you can even have a completely free reverse-engineered SGX driver
Jan 29 20:00:31 <smoku> same case for nvidia SGX driver on the PC platform
Jan 29 20:00:39 <javispedro> ermm??
Jan 29 20:00:51 <javispedro> nvidia SGX driver?
Jan 29 20:01:11 <javispedro> s/SGX/3D ?
Jan 29 20:01:24 <smoku> yes
Jan 29 20:01:46 <Stskeeps> smoku: one exists now? (snapdragon)
Jan 29 20:01:52 * javispedro is wishing for re sgx =)
Jan 29 20:01:59 <smoku> Stskeeps, yes.
Jan 29 20:02:12 <Stskeeps> smoku: url?
Jan 29 20:02:27 <smoku> Stskeeps, you would need to ask devs
Jan 29 20:02:33 <Stskeeps> ah, cotulla and co?
Jan 29 20:02:36 <smoku> it's not public-ready yet
Jan 29 20:02:39 <smoku> yes
Jan 29 20:02:43 <Stskeeps> ah, ok then
Jan 29 20:03:34 <smoku> i've seen it in action and meego runs very smooth :)
Jan 29 20:04:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, i saw a video
Jan 29 20:07:54 <TSCHAK> wowza, so maybe, we can have sane GMA500 someday too
Jan 29 20:26:18 <Stskeeps> anyone who has actually bought a N900 and can give me their /proc/cpuinfo ?
Jan 29 20:27:34 <TSCHAK> Stskeeps: one moment bro.
Jan 29 20:28:37 <TSCHAK> Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/qVZK5LVd
Jan 29 20:28:55 <psycho_oreos> http://pastebin.com/0jZ1Nsgk
Jan 29 20:29:01 <psycho_oreos> bleh beaten :)
Jan 30 00:26:29 <KevinB> +2 bon
Jan 30 01:06:13 <CosmoHill> cyas
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