**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 31 02:59:57 2011 Jan 31 03:00:03 do capacitives have same calibration issue? Jan 31 03:00:42 dunno... but could you tell the difference if your thumb inprint was offset 10 pixels? Jan 31 03:00:49 lol Jan 31 03:01:36 on my 810 I could, there is a whole cm on the right thats innaccesible Jan 31 03:01:49 * lcuk engage overtired mode Jan 31 03:02:15 I saw a site that tested various capacitive touchscreens by using a ruler to draw a grid Jan 31 03:02:22 Some made jagged lines, some made wavy lines Jan 31 03:03:15 yeah ShadowJK Jan 31 03:04:14 ShadowJK, same effect on n900 Jan 31 03:04:35 really? Jan 31 03:05:10 i cannot show you cos my screen has some other stuff on it Jan 31 03:05:27 but yeah slow finger swipe diagonally results in wavey Jan 31 03:06:06 its based on finger speed and pressure and stuff, theres a certain speed you drag finger and it wibbles a bit Jan 31 03:06:11 stylus wipe? :) Jan 31 03:06:13 faster or slower and it doesnt Jan 31 03:06:26 no contest, where you swipe the stylus it responds. Jan 31 03:06:30 same with fingernail etc Jan 31 03:43:59 abc Jan 31 03:55:24 ls Jan 31 04:00:13 hi dogi Jan 31 04:37:35 d Jan 31 07:02:20 lusers Jan 31 07:02:32 you mean /lusers Jan 31 07:02:32 :P Jan 31 07:03:08 yes :) Jan 31 07:14:06 jonwil: it isn't closed, but since stuff in trunk (thank god) can't link to non-oss, we have fbdev-sgx in there. then the extra thing you see is the bug that states arm source packages aren't exported to repo.meego.com :) if you grab it through download.meego.com/live/, there's a src rpm Jan 31 07:16:15 OSCON deadline February 8. This year, a new track on "Geek Lifestyles," not that anyone you know is a geek. Jan 31 07:16:29 * alterego looks around Jan 31 07:16:34 Nope, no geeks here Jan 31 07:20:57 Me neither. Here's what I spent my evening on: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_and_Handset_Images_on_ExoPC Jan 31 07:22:04 Hmm, fbdev-sgx. Maybe that will create the /dev/fb0 I don't get with Pandaboard if I load it instead of apparently broken fbdev? Jan 31 07:22:37 no Jan 31 07:23:05 fb0 is created by udev which gets it's data from what devices exist inside kernel :) Jan 31 07:23:40 and fbdev-sgx is unlikely to work on panda Jan 31 07:25:02 But fbdev is a SO library, not a kernel module? I thought all X11 drivers were userland ones, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that I do not have a geek lifestyle. Jan 31 07:25:08 ok, so Jan 31 07:25:48 fbdev-sgx is basically utilizing the kernel framebuffer interfaces + the SGX userland libraries to give an accelerated Xorg experience Jan 31 07:26:04 kernel framebuffer interfaces is /dev/fb0 and such, which you say aren't being provided by kernel Jan 31 07:26:07 Mmm, so udev creates device because video driver is registered with kernel, as with other devices. Jan 31 07:26:20 so kernel DSS2 (omap dss2) isn't working correctly Jan 31 07:27:10 And Tomi Valkeinen just quit, too. Maybe I'll just buy a t.v. and watch celebrity news instead. Jan 31 07:27:34 quit? :P Jan 31 07:33:29 so is "xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx" the only special case where an open package links to a closed package and therefore has to go in non-oss? Jan 31 07:34:12 right, to my knowledge Jan 31 07:34:16 In all seriousness, Stskeeps, thanks as always for your everlasting patience and well-informed advice. Hyvä yötä! Jan 31 07:34:17 it links to some non-platform APIs, so Jan 31 07:35:01 jonwil: http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/non-oss/Trunk/src.armv7el/ Jan 31 07:35:14 yeah I saw that Jan 31 07:35:48 got as far as this, http://imgur.com/fJEa5 Jan 31 07:36:01 but clutter is failing to start Jan 31 07:38:16 yeah I see now, that location is the "source" Jan 31 07:38:19 "source" RP Jan 31 07:38:23 RPMs for the binary bits Jan 31 07:38:36 right, and fbdev-sgx actually contains source code Jan 31 07:40:50 I assume N900 GPS blobs will appear in non-oss once someone can build them for MeeGo and once the legal people sign off on it? Jan 31 07:41:07 we'll see, i don't know exactly what conditions will be Jan 31 07:41:27 but GPS on N900 MeeGo will remain binary though, right? Jan 31 07:41:45 i don't know 100% Jan 31 07:48:01 well I have been playing around with various binary bits from Maemo and MeeGo as an excuse to learn ARM assembly. Already reverse engineered some stuff related to the Internet Connectivity Daemon policy plugins on Fremantle (so that someone could write a new policy plugin that favors a "home" WiFi network over other networks). Currently Jan 31 07:48:16 Still got some work to do there once my n900 is back form the shop Jan 31 07:48:37 Going to try the "favor home WiFi network" plugin myself Jan 31 07:51:47 also was talking to lxp1 about the wl1251 driver and he mentioned that he didnt like having to support the "netlink" protocol and that he wanted to be able to remove it so that the wl1251 driver could be accepted upstream. Did some pulling apart and came up with this http://wiki.maemo.org/Wl1251-cal to help him out :) Jan 31 07:52:01 Good morning (again) irc, you all look just a little different today. Jan 31 08:46:29 whats with meego. Months and months of waiting, nothing. No phone, no pad, no product using it. Jan 31 08:46:55 correction: ONE product using it :) Jan 31 08:47:06 we're platform developers here, no product developers, so you're barking up the wrong tree :) Jan 31 08:47:38 Jartza: whats the ONE ? Jan 31 08:47:54 You can run MeeGo on a N900 :P Jan 31 08:48:01 Krooks: wetab, for instance Jan 31 08:48:03 wetab? Jan 31 08:48:13 Stskeeps: wetab is using meego ? Jan 31 08:48:24 yep Jan 31 08:48:27 yeah, it's based on meego core 1.0 Jan 31 08:48:33 oh Jan 31 08:49:23 first devices are planned on september 11 imho Jan 31 08:49:36 However, wetab didn't quite take off. http://news.kilibee.com/2010/10/04/wetab-final-words/ Jan 31 08:50:20 I personally think MeeGo is being hurt by having 2 masters with different goals. Intel wants to use it to push x86 into places x86 shouldn't go Jan 31 08:50:26 And nokia has other goals Jan 31 08:51:43 why not x86? Jan 31 08:51:48 not sure that really has to conflict Jan 31 08:51:55 as thats just architecture Jan 31 08:52:43 if u are unable to do things for the vast majority of an os in an architecture-agnostic way.. you have more fundamental engineering problems that have nothing to do with x86 vs arm but just having bad eningeers. Jan 31 08:53:43 being arch agnostic/portable isnt rocket science. it's a basic code of pretty much every bit of linux/unix has had for years if not decades. Jan 31 08:56:29 jonwil: got any examples of where it's being hurt? Jan 31 09:05:11 I just dont think x86 is suitable for cellphones Jan 31 09:05:54 yes, possibly, but that doesn't change the architecture or code Jan 31 09:06:00 similar challenges on both x86 and arm Jan 31 09:07:05 the differences between x8 and arm are different kernel ports Jan 31 09:07:10 and otherwise drivers Jan 31 09:07:17 or specific cpu optimizations Jan 31 09:07:22 like mmx/sse vs neon Jan 31 09:07:27 thats it Jan 31 09:07:32 as for the drivers - iits a solved problem Jan 31 09:07:41 u have that problem between arm SoC's Jan 31 09:07:47 and on every x86 system in existence Jan 31 09:07:55 from audio thru to gfx etc. etc. Jan 31 09:08:04 and the simd optimizations are a solved problem Jan 31 09:08:22 as every bit of code that is in any way portable has had to deal with that for many years by now Jan 31 09:08:35 they just dont compile neon assembly if comnpiling for x86 Jan 31 09:08:38 or vice-versa Jan 31 09:08:47 (dont compile the mmx/sse etc. asm when compiling for arm) Jan 31 09:08:54 and there is always a "c fallback" Jan 31 09:09:01 so compile the c fallback always Jan 31 09:09:24 and IF the target arch u compile for is one you support in your code - ALSo compile the asm for that arech (neon or mmx/sse) Jan 31 09:09:34 and at runtime detect suppoirt for the extended instr set Jan 31 09:09:47 and enable those faster routines instead of the c fallbacks Jan 31 09:09:52 nothing new there Jan 31 09:09:59 yeah Jan 31 09:10:16 been done on x86 since the pentium introduced mmx Jan 31 09:10:36 arm socs have had varying processor instructionset extensions over the years too Jan 31 09:10:42 vfp stuff in armv6 Jan 31 09:10:50 wmmx for the PXA line of soc's Jan 31 09:11:00 and neon as of armv7 and up is an option Jan 31 09:11:20 (tegra2 doesnt have it - most other cortex-a8 or a9 soc's support neon tho) Jan 31 09:13:02 and then there's the nightmares of thumb2 actually working on cortex-a8 or not.. Jan 31 09:13:13 hehehe Jan 31 09:13:19 just keep clear of thumb Jan 31 09:13:20 thats my take Jan 31 09:13:21 :) Jan 31 09:16:16 * jonwil is glad he doesn't need to worry about thumb when reverse engineering maemo/meego bits Jan 31 09:16:18 at least so far Jan 31 09:16:57 n900 doesn't do thumb, so Jan 31 09:18:04 Stskeeps: so that state after ctrl-c was confirmation of the erratum on r1p3? Jan 31 09:18:25 hmmm, now if I could just figure out how the battery status widget in MeeGo obtains the battery data... Jan 31 09:18:43 on the n900? Jan 31 09:18:45 dm8tbr: i was able to trigger it more reliably after leaving it be for a bit Jan 31 09:18:52 via closed code last i knew Jan 31 09:18:55 not open Jan 31 09:18:55 dm8tbr: with apt-get update even Jan 31 09:19:05 ah, ok. I didn't try further yesterday Jan 31 09:23:10 aha, it seems like contextkit-meego handles it and is using dbus to talk to something lower down (I think) Jan 31 09:23:52 which ends up at a closed src binary blob somewhere i believe Jan 31 09:27:24 ok, what just happened and why did I just drop from the channel? Jan 31 09:27:53 freenode? Jan 31 09:30:52 jonwil: the channel disapproves of you :) Jan 31 09:33:32 aha, upower is where the interesting bits live Jan 31 09:33:41 morning Jan 31 09:33:48 well the bits that talk to the closed blobs Jan 31 09:34:51 Stskeeps: I heard that MeeGo 1.2 is now in the beta stage Jan 31 09:35:24 Stskeeps: could you tell me what's the status of the audio policy framework you talked about? Jan 31 09:48:36 bah, all this stuff goes into upower and I cant for the life of me figure out what upower is talking to Jan 31 09:49:17 probably bme somehow but I cant find out how Jan 31 09:52:19 What's upower? Jan 31 09:52:59 not exactly sure Jan 31 09:53:34 Heh Jan 31 09:53:42 Is it a library? Jan 31 09:53:47 Or a daemon? Jan 31 09:54:02 you talk to it over dbus from what I can tell Jan 31 09:54:06 daemon Jan 31 09:54:12 upower is a daemon Jan 31 09:54:58 Right Jan 31 09:55:14 What do you tell it over dbus? Jan 31 09:56:09 what I cant figure out is the bits that sit between upower and bme Jan 31 09:56:17 the stuff above upower I dont care about Jan 31 10:12:07 bah this is frustrating not being able to find what I am looking for Jan 31 10:12:21 jonwil: we don't have anything in meego (yet) for that :) Jan 31 10:12:37 so basically right now the battery applet talks to upower but then upower doesnt talk to anything Jan 31 10:17:11 except for a kernel interface saying if a wall charger is connected (..) Jan 31 10:20:35 Venemo: 'beta''s such an ugly word Jan 31 10:20:55 Venemo: it's included, afaik Jan 31 10:21:10 in the ideal world Nokia would provide a -dev package for libbmeipc, everyone would talk to libbmeipc and hence to bme and all would be right with the world. But that isn't likely to happen (just like its unlikely Nokia will publish documentation for the isi/phonet GPS interface that the n900 cell modem supports) Jan 31 10:21:25 jonwil: yes, that's my goal too (1) Jan 31 10:21:27 Stskeeps: so does this mean that I can now make phone calls with the earpiece on MeeGo? :P Jan 31 10:21:33 Venemo: that's a good question Jan 31 10:21:41 heh Jan 31 10:22:17 on meego, via ofono Jan 31 10:22:18 it will work Jan 31 10:22:23 on the n900... that's another story Jan 31 10:22:33 thiago_home: why? Jan 31 10:23:10 it's hardware adaptation Jan 31 10:23:18 apps shouldn't care Jan 31 10:23:27 but the problem is when we don't get the specs from the HW vendor Jan 31 10:24:18 so stskeeps, your goal is to convince Nokia to publish libbmeipc-dev? Jan 31 10:24:48 thiago_home: so what, doesn't Nokia provide the specs for its own distro? Jan 31 10:25:01 jonwil: i think we're working on a open version that gives access to the useful bits that needs to be exposed to meego Jan 31 10:25:08 no, it doesn't Jan 31 10:25:28 that's ridiculous Jan 31 10:25:56 Venemo: well, anyway, we do have audio routing, i think the problem is that dialer isn't policy aware atm Jan 31 10:26:42 Venemo: such is the way of corporations Jan 31 10:27:35 thiago_home: still, it is ridiculous. Jan 31 10:27:47 yeah Jan 31 10:27:50 thiago_home: we do (surprisingily) have the algorithms and such in non-oss redistributable form to get a quite nice audio adaptation Jan 31 10:28:28 as well as policy rules that are open Jan 31 10:40:33 what do you mean by "algorithims and stuff"? Jan 31 10:40:39 do you mean things like echo cancellation Jan 31 10:40:52 and some other things Jan 31 10:41:01 speaker protection, etc Jan 31 10:43:59 whats AGC? Jan 31 10:44:08 dunno Jan 31 10:44:11 automatic gain control? Jan 31 10:47:36 interesting, there is stuff in there for dealing with temprature and audio (not sure why pulseaudio would care about temprature though) Jan 31 10:48:17 physics? Jan 31 10:49:06 jonwil: Probably compensation for stuttering when waiting for the bus in -20C and calling ;) Jan 31 10:49:28 lol Jan 31 10:49:29 c-c-c-old :) Jan 31 10:50:36 hallo Jan 31 10:51:39 whats xprot? Jan 31 10:53:33 hmmm, looks like xprot is related to speaker protection Jan 31 10:53:47 so my guess based on what I see is that speaker protection and temprature are related Jan 31 10:53:54 to prevent device temprature from damaging speakers Jan 31 11:10:16 oooh more clones of me Jan 31 11:34:13 lcuk2: Agent Smith? Jan 31 11:35:15 timoph, something like that Jan 31 11:35:26 i turned off internet over the weekend because of it Jan 31 11:35:43 the number of clones multiplied by the number of chans I am in Jan 31 11:38:54 time to figure out which item from my todo list to reverse engineer next. Jan 31 12:24:52 vgrade: I got your email, I'll deal with it after lunch Jan 31 12:36:32 ok, I think I might reverse engineer hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc :) Jan 31 12:37:29 vgrade: I've emailed them Jan 31 12:43:05 Hmm, more of what Stskeeps termed the "big reveal mentality"? http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/31/well-be-right-back/ Jan 31 12:46:45 Jaffa: at least they're saying something's up ;) Jan 31 12:50:24 Stskeeps: You do know how tmo lemmings will call this? Jan 31 12:50:48 Stskeeps: "Meego scrapped at Nokia, going with Symbian instead" =) Jan 31 12:50:56 RST38h: worse Jan 31 12:51:07 WP7 scrapped, remade in 5 minutes in QML Jan 31 12:51:09 Stskeeps: Worse? A Conspiracy maybe? =)~ Jan 31 12:53:45 RST38h: That was *already* reported on TMO, having seen the recent Symbian-related commits Jan 31 12:53:47 Symbian is junk :P Jan 31 12:54:13 No way would I buy a Symbian phone ever Jan 31 12:55:00 :( Jan 31 12:55:13 Jaffa: omg :) Jan 31 12:55:27 RST38h: Think it's part of the "N9 cancelled" thread Jan 31 12:55:49 jonwil: symbian pays a lot of people salaries Jan 31 12:55:58 Jaffa: that sounds like a troll thread Jan 31 12:56:39 CosmoHill: More specifically the "N9 cancelled according to eldarmurtazin". So yes, a troll thread Jan 31 12:56:54 I can't even read that last word Jan 31 12:57:04 Symbian may work ok for mid-tier feature phones but its lousy as a smartphone OS compared to Maemo/MeeGo, Android, iOS etc Jan 31 12:57:16 and yes I have used Symbian high-end phones before (e.g. N95) Jan 31 12:57:52 jonwil: Do you understand that we have all heard all of your arguments, to a word, many, many times? Jan 31 12:58:12 And that nobody disagrees, just sighs? :) Jan 31 13:00:15 I guess the problem for Nokia is that Maemo/MeeGo/whatever just isnt ready for a mass market consumer phone yet Jan 31 13:00:33 in the way that Symbian is Jan 31 13:18:27 jonwil, MeeGo is not intended for mass market Jan 31 13:19:42 smoku: what else? Jan 31 13:22:59 So Nokia intends for Symbian to be their mainstream smartphone platform and their main competitor to Windows Mobile, iOS and Android for the foreseeable future? Jan 31 13:23:20 why would they work on meego then? Jan 31 13:23:38 well if symbian is mass-market, then whats meego for? Jan 31 13:23:56 or is "mass-market" not smartphones but featurephones Jan 31 13:24:22 jonwil, MeeGo is a project to create a core linux dictribution for mobile devices, for manufacturers like Nokia or Intel to build their mass-market products on Jan 31 13:26:25 it's not mass-market anymore thal say... copper wire. yes, copper wire is present in many mass-market products, but the wire itself is not mass-market product. people are not interested in - only manufaturers are. Jan 31 13:28:17 yeah good point Jan 31 13:28:55 The $64k question that only is if and when Nokia will use MeeGo and its work to produce a consumer smartphone Jan 31 13:29:14 that only Nokia can answer Jan 31 13:31:04 hmmm... so what with LG? LG have dirst Moblin phone, i think they can make line with MeeGo Jan 31 13:31:25 smoku: different perspective is ok, so android is not for mass-market neither?! Jan 31 13:31:56 LG say "GTFO" for WP7 so they can adopt new OS Jan 31 13:32:05 * jonwil wonders if the eventual N9 or whatever it ends up being is going to be as open and hacker-friendly as the N900 is... Jan 31 13:32:07 chem|st, android is a bit different. google is actually selling it to end users. linux foundation is not. Jan 31 13:33:09 chem|st, but. I would say that google search is a mass market product. android is just a way of selling it to more people. Jan 31 13:33:24 you mean as there are phones like the G1 and the G2... Jan 31 13:34:01 android is not sold to consumers... is it? Jan 31 13:34:31 when we can expect some meego phone to appear? Jan 31 13:34:43 fizzy-bits-talk... Jan 31 13:35:01 gour: some day in the futur Jan 31 13:35:03 gour: this year Jan 31 13:35:33 chem|st: that's nothing new...by following that logic it may not happen at all :-D Jan 31 13:35:59 gour: no one who knows the release date will tell you what it is Jan 31 13:36:33 gour: yeah as there is nothing new to tell about N9... and intentionally it tells there will be a release some day... Jan 31 13:36:36 thiago_home: will n9 become the 1st one or inte lmay push something earlier? Jan 31 13:36:47 gour: I don't know about Intel plans Jan 31 13:36:51 chem|st, if your cable company wants to sell you some TV or stuff, they need to deliver a cable endpoint to your house. google is just a "cable company" that doesn't want to rely on others lying cables for them anymore. they want full control over their medium - so android was bought. Jan 31 13:37:01 and Intel doesn't sell phones. They sell processors. Jan 31 13:37:29 well, they showd that A* prototype Jan 31 13:37:33 chem|st, so, the mass market product is still "search" - android is just a cable to put it in your pocket Jan 31 13:37:53 gour: Aava? That was a company who produced it. Jan 31 13:37:56 gour: not Intel. Jan 31 13:38:12 thiago_home: yeah...but it was intel-based, right? Jan 31 13:38:20 gour: Aava Mobile took the netbook processors and put it on a phone form factor Jan 31 13:38:34 anyone with enough technical knowledge can do that Jan 31 13:38:34 maybe intel & nokia are waiting for android 3.0 :-D Jan 31 13:38:37 aava has a 1 hour battery life Jan 31 13:38:39 chem|st, answering your question - is a cable a mass market product? yet (almost) everyone has one. Jan 31 13:38:40 like nokia sells network infrastructure Jan 31 13:38:56 chem|st: NSN does Jan 31 13:39:15 thiago_home: and thats not nokia? Jan 31 13:39:17 smoku: if everyone has, it's mass market Jan 31 13:39:21 chem|st: it's a subsidiary Jan 31 13:39:31 chem|st: and it's not wholly owned Jan 31 13:39:44 chem|st: Aava has no ownership relationship with Intel, as far as I know Jan 31 13:40:40 so meego is some cable for ovi in the longterm Jan 31 13:41:08 I'm sure Nokia would like that, but Ovi is not mandated Jan 31 13:41:19 one can release a fully-working and meego-compliant device without Ovi Jan 31 13:41:25 unlike Android Jan 31 13:41:41 agreed Jan 31 13:41:53 * gour wonders what's for intel to be gained with meego...considering power consumption of their cpus Jan 31 13:42:05 gour: clearly Intel is reducing the power consumption Jan 31 13:42:14 and there are many markets where 6W is no big deal Jan 31 13:42:21 chem|st, we don't know what this cable is for yet. and I'm pretty sure MeeGo supporters do not know too. they are just covering their bases to not be left behind. Jan 31 13:42:27 thiago_home: that's right, but they're still far away...arm is also not sleeping Jan 31 13:42:33 for example, on the set-top-box market, ARM has no presence Jan 31 13:42:39 it's either Intel or MIPS Jan 31 13:43:32 gour, there are meego appliances where power consumption is not an issue, but processing power is. thing IVI Jan 31 13:43:53 "ARM has no presence"? Tell that to the makers of a certainT box with a piece of fruit Jan 31 13:43:59 certain TV box with a piece of fruit on the top Jan 31 13:44:16 although to be fair, thats one product in a see of hundreds Jan 31 13:44:20 jonwil: ok, it's a figure of speech. The market is dominated by the others. Jan 31 13:44:26 which are shipped in the millions Jan 31 13:44:58 * jonwil is surprised MIPS hangs on in this market so much Jan 31 13:45:19 jonwil, 'vendor lockdown' Jan 31 13:45:25 * thiago_home likes MIPS64 Jan 31 13:46:20 thiago_home: do you know of any MIPS64 development machines? Jan 31 13:46:29 we used to have some running IRIX Jan 31 13:46:34 we threw them away Jan 31 13:47:29 after uni I'd like to do development work for CLFS but it requires hardware I don't have Jan 31 13:49:26 * jonwil hopes his replacement N900 arrives at the nokia care center soon :( Jan 31 13:51:46 I do like my nokia but there are a few things I miss about my sony erricson Jan 31 13:52:19 sar level? Jan 31 13:52:21 like when you text someone my sony offered the most recent 10 people I texted Jan 31 13:52:42 so if you text someone a lot you just press down to select them Jan 31 13:53:08 it's usually at the top in the Conversations on the N900 Jan 31 13:53:28 mine is Symban S60 Jan 31 14:30:00 Hi, can someone help me with telepathy? Jan 31 14:31:03 solon86: best to ask you specific query than ask about asking etc. Jan 31 14:37:50 solon86, You have to close your eyes and concentrate really hard... Jan 31 14:40:45 lol dneary_ Jan 31 14:57:20 how to setup a nokia n900 virtualdevice? Jan 31 15:01:09 how to setup a nokia n900 virtualdevice? Jan 31 15:01:20 what is it? Jan 31 15:01:21 :P Jan 31 15:01:37 jjardon, how to setup a nokia n900 virtualdevice? Jan 31 15:01:52 Three times in two minutes? Jan 31 15:02:21 qemu has an N900 profile, it isn't perfect but it boots meego, look it up on the wiki. Jan 31 15:02:45 Stskeeps, wt? Jan 31 15:03:14 to be specific: what on earth are you talking about Jan 31 15:03:17 alterego, how to setup a meego virtual device? Jan 31 15:03:26 i've all the files Jan 31 15:03:29 pavanai: search the wiki Jan 31 15:04:30 Stskeeps, i want to setup a meego virtual device Jan 31 15:04:48 yes, we got your point Jan 31 15:04:54 alterego, which one Jan 31 15:05:04 what do you mean exactly? an emulator? Jan 31 15:05:26 pavanai: wiki.meego.com Jan 31 15:05:36 Stskeeps, ya thats it Jan 31 15:05:44 Venemo, I try so hard not to do it, but it's just more than I can take :) Jan 31 15:05:49 Stskeeps, i've all files Jan 31 15:05:57 alterego, thnx Jan 31 15:06:21 Stskeeps, do u know it? Jan 31 15:07:18 pavanai: yes, but i think you're better off using the MeeGo SDK provided emulators. Jan 31 15:08:14 Stskeeps, i hav all those files Jan 31 15:08:30 ok, then there's guides how to use them too.. Jan 31 15:08:33 Stskeeps, but hw to install emulator in ubuntu? Jan 31 15:09:05 Stskeeps, i tried Jan 31 16:17:11 hi !! Jan 31 16:18:00 Hi, I'm trying to setup the Meego SDK and runtime, instructions from : http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes Jan 31 16:19:18 umm.. will nokia ditch old symbian entierly when meego arrives? Jan 31 16:19:26 But when I run : sudo mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron , I get "Starting QEMU runtime meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime.This may take some time ..." Jan 31 16:19:34 And then nothing ... Any help Jan 31 16:19:35 Conquer: we're not #nokia, we develop meego.com :) Jan 31 16:20:25 aaah.. yeah i forgot linux foundation produces meego not nokia. Jan 31 16:20:32 Nokia however funds it? Jan 31 16:20:44 so does intel Jan 31 16:21:20 long story short, none of us here knows anything and the ones who might, most likely can't tell you about it Jan 31 16:22:14 screwgoth: you sure it's "nothing"? Jan 31 16:22:16 Hi! Jan 31 16:22:37 morn Umeaboy Jan 31 16:22:50 I've sent a request to join the Swedish translation-team for Meego. Can someone please accept? Jan 31 16:23:02 I'd like to start right away if possible. Jan 31 16:23:52 Umeaboy: sec Jan 31 16:23:56 Is it OK to create a locale-room for MeeGo when it comes to Swedish? Jan 31 16:24:05 Like #meego-sv Jan 31 16:24:09 Just asking. Jan 31 16:24:42 http://wiki.meego.com/Localization_team Jan 31 16:25:04 depending on your host, it should be writing to /usr/lib{64}/madde/cache, can you check if anything happening there Jan 31 16:25:23 (I've told them cache should be in /var but they're not listening to me) Jan 31 16:25:42 Btw..............since I'm here.......... why doesn't ls work in Terminal/Console? Jan 31 16:26:17 isn't # -se better? but if you make a irc channel, please read http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks , http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#New_MeeGo_Channels Jan 31 16:26:26 hmmm, I guess you already have the stuff downloaded, perhaps "never mind" Jan 31 16:26:30 Okey. Jan 31 16:26:36 Umeaboy: 'ls' should work Jan 31 16:26:36 :P Jan 31 16:26:45 Nothing happens when I do so. Jan 31 16:26:56 I'm fully updated. Jan 31 16:27:01 ls / Jan 31 16:28:06 That works, but not ls alone. Jan 31 16:28:35 it means that the directory you 'ls' in, either has no files or only .hidden files Jan 31 16:28:38 ls -a Jan 31 16:28:39 ls .. Jan 31 16:30:11 Okey. Jan 31 16:30:33 What packageing-solution does MeeGo use? Jan 31 16:30:35 RPM? Jan 31 16:30:38 DEB? Jan 31 16:30:42 rpm Jan 31 16:30:52 Okey. Based on Fedora? Jan 31 16:30:59 nop, on itself Jan 31 16:31:04 Okey. Jan 31 16:31:07 it pulls a bit from everywhere Jan 31 16:31:24 But using Fedora-RPM's shouldn't be a problem? Jan 31 16:31:33 it might be Jan 31 16:31:43 Because of? Jan 31 16:31:47 Missing libs? Jan 31 16:32:06 for instance, or different ways of doing things, etc Jan 31 16:32:26 lbt: / X-Fade: which url should I use in the CO office agenda for tomorrow: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jan 31 16:32:47 I need to email the agenda and link to the mailing list. Jan 31 16:33:10 DawnFoster: We'll have a page tonight? Is that ok? (Which is a few hours for us) Jan 31 16:33:34 X-Fade: not really - we need a page where people can put their ideas in advance of the meeting Jan 31 16:33:57 X-Fade: something link this http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10&oldid=23418 Jan 31 16:34:07 DawnFoster: Well, we don't have it now. And have time to do that in a few hours :) Jan 31 16:34:09 should only take a few minute to prepate Jan 31 16:34:25 just need a list of the topics / questions you want to cover Jan 31 16:34:34 DawnFoster: Was more a list of policy items we wanted to discuss. Jan 31 16:35:02 X-Fade: but you need to give other people time to participate, too Jan 31 16:35:08 and the meeting is tomorrow Jan 31 16:35:25 maybe pick the top 3-5 questions that you want feedback on? Jan 31 16:35:32 and add more later? Jan 31 16:36:06 /msg Chanserv SET #meego-se guard Jan 31 16:36:11 What am I doing wrong? Jan 31 16:36:12 keep in mind that we only have an hour, so we really need to focus on the areas where we can make the biggest difference. Jan 31 16:36:17 I want Chanserv to join. Jan 31 16:36:32