**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 02 02:59:58 2011
Feb 02 08:07:30 <niala1> gmorning
Feb 02 08:13:13 <vgrade> Meego Meeting When, Wednesday, February 2 · 7:30pm - 10:30pm, Where, Clowns, Cambridge 54 King Street
Feb 02 08:13:46 <vgrade> Hands on with N900's, O2 Joggler, Pandaboard, netbook
Feb 02 08:14:15 <vilvo> lbt: ping
Feb 02 08:17:40 <andre__> vgrade: looks like your forgot the country info ;-)
Feb 02 08:21:30 <thiago_home> he said Cambridge
Feb 02 08:21:43 <thiago_home> I'm guessing it's the one in the UK
Feb 02 08:21:52 <RST38h> There are at least two Cambridges
Feb 02 08:22:06 <RST38h> It can be either.
Feb 02 08:22:28 <vgrade> UK, yes
Feb 02 08:30:22 <lbt> vilvo: pong
Feb 02 08:44:40 <vilvo> lbt: I was looking at boss repo for boss_img_ots_client.py but couldn't find
Feb 02 08:46:46 <lbt> looking
Feb 02 08:52:43 <lbt> vilvo: it's part of imger : http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/imger
Feb 02 08:57:36 <vilvo> ok, thanks
Feb 02 09:06:09 <neopsis> what do you think better, desktop with raid or raid server enclosure?
Feb 02 09:19:45 <tudovio_> Hello! Does anyone know what API's can be used to test the Supplementary services features on top of the Meego api's?
Feb 02 09:43:15 <odin_> vgrade, have fun at the meetup, unfortunately 5-aside footy night for me (ignoring the 1 hour 45 min drive each way for a moment) hope plenty attend :)
Feb 02 11:23:00 <Extends> hi all, How to install meego on vmware player or virtualbox, it is possible ?
Feb 02 11:23:43 <niala1> Extends: yes it is, take a look at the wiki
Feb 02 11:24:31 <Extends> hum, thanks, I will see it
Feb 02 11:25:38 <niala1> Extends: qemu is better, more speed
Feb 02 11:26:15 <Extends> hum, thanks for your advice
Feb 02 11:26:22 <niala1> virtualbox is a bit sllow
Feb 02 11:26:24 <niala1> slow
Feb 02 11:27:58 <niala1> as i know, maybe it's changed now.
Feb 02 11:34:20 <Extends> I see it right now ; )
Feb 02 11:34:38 <kvir4567> http://bashtube.ru/video/165278/   ;)
Feb 02 11:37:31 <kvir4567> http://bashtube.ru/video/165278/
Feb 02 12:05:10 <Stecchino> 400 remote error: connect to api.meego.com 443  timeout ???
Feb 02 12:05:13 <Stecchino> down?
Feb 02 12:06:43 <X-Fade> Stecchino: Works for me.
Feb 02 12:06:50 <lbt> me too
Feb 02 12:06:54 <Stskeeps> same here
Feb 02 12:07:16 <lbt> Closed: WFM
Feb 02 12:07:24 <timoph> :)
Feb 02 12:07:44 <Stecchino> works again. Temp glitch I guess
Feb 02 12:07:48 <lbt> Stecchino: good
Feb 02 12:13:44 <niala1> meegotouch is not a part of meegocore ?
Feb 02 12:14:02 <niala1> api i mean
Feb 02 12:15:44 <dneary_> So - I just saw a reply on the forum saying that there's innuendo all over the internet (in the context of naming the pre-conference) and it made me remember a joke
Feb 02 12:15:49 <dneary_> As they go it's tame...
Feb 02 12:16:10 <dneary_> A woman walks into a bar, and orders a double entendre. So the barman gives her one.
Feb 02 12:16:19 <dneary_> Boom boom!
Feb 02 12:54:32 <gonzo__> lsit
Feb 02 12:54:35 <gonzo__> list
Feb 02 12:54:57 <gonzo__> names
Feb 02 12:55:04 <gonzo__> NAMES
Feb 02 12:55:15 <gonzo__> MENU
Feb 02 12:55:42 <Lynoure> gonzo__: WUT
Feb 02 13:16:31 <X-Fade> gonzo_: hi.
Feb 02 13:16:43 <gonzo_> hi there
Feb 02 13:17:23 <X-Fade> So you can do two things. You can link your OBS to the MeeGo OBS or just import the MeeGo 1.0 repository.
Feb 02 13:17:25 <lbt> hi
Feb 02 13:17:39 <X-Fade> The community OBS just imports a published repository for now.
Feb 02 13:17:51 <gonzo_> lets discuss in half an hour. My colleges are going for lunch...
Feb 02 13:42:34 <gonzo_> hello, I am back.
Feb 02 13:48:21 <gonzo_> The problem is that I did not find any documentation how to setup a project yet. Just how to clone one.
Feb 02 13:50:26 <Umeaboy> Hi!
Feb 02 13:50:51 <Umeaboy> I've been googleing for Java when it comes to Meego, but can't find any.
Feb 02 13:50:57 <Umeaboy> Where can I find it?
Feb 02 13:51:58 <gonzo_> You can use the RPM based installer from Oracle. It works quite fine.
Feb 02 13:52:09 <andre__> Umeaboy: the first two Google results are http://wiki.meego.com/Java and http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=34
Feb 02 13:52:13 <andre__> which I think answer this.
Feb 02 13:52:19 <Umeaboy> Okey.
Feb 02 13:56:37 <Umeaboy> Isn't wget installed as standard?
Feb 02 14:23:10 <lcuk> Venemo, did you try installing puzzle-master on your meego n900 yet?
Feb 02 14:26:52 <Venemo> lcuk, I don't have MeeGo on my N900
Feb 02 14:27:53 <lbt> gonzo_: hi.... in a meeting ... bbiab
Feb 02 14:28:45 <Venemo> lcuk, I will install it when someone can confirm for me that phone calls can work through the earpiece with MeeGo :P
Feb 02 14:29:08 <lcuk> Venemo, leave your phone number on a bug report then :P
Feb 02 14:29:27 <lcuk> when someone calls you from meego you know you can install it!
Feb 02 14:29:36 <Venemo> lol lcuk :P
Feb 02 14:29:52 <Venemo> lcuk, if you have a device in handy with MeeGo installed, could you test this for me?
Feb 02 14:30:09 <Jartza> I should install MeeGo to my extra N900
Feb 02 14:30:20 <Jartza> although, the earpiece of that phone is dead anyway :)
Feb 02 14:30:30 <lcuk> its installed and working on my ideapad, but I cannot get networking working on my n900 and so its stuck in the ITP for now
Feb 02 14:30:31 <Venemo> hehe
Feb 02 14:30:46 <Venemo> anyway guys, I have to leave now.
Feb 02 14:30:53 <lcuk> ie meego images on my n900 are what comes out of the image builder
Feb 02 14:30:57 <lcuk> cya later Venemo \o
Feb 02 14:31:00 <Venemo> I'll be back a few hours later
Feb 02 14:31:40 <Venemo> lcuk, since the N900 is my primary phone, this kind of functionality is the bare minimum :)
Feb 02 14:32:27 <lcuk> Venemo, we each have our own priorities - make sure you are cc'ed/voted on the related bugs
Feb 02 14:32:39 <Venemo> lcuk: I was considering getting myself some cheap Archos tablet for MeeGo, but didn't get to it yet.
Feb 02 14:32:53 <Venemo> lcuk: I don't have the URLs for any related bugs.
Feb 02 14:33:21 <lcuk> then search, and if there isn't one - file it.
Feb 02 14:33:28 <lcuk> its your priority, so chase it :)
Feb 02 14:34:21 <Jartza> I still haven't got an extra microsd-card to install meego
Feb 02 14:34:50 <Venemo> lcuk: I'm not filing a bug against something I didn't test
Feb 02 14:35:35 <lcuk> lol, so install todays testing onto mmc and try
Feb 02 14:36:08 <toninikkanen> jartza: $8 delivered :)  http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kingston-4gb-tf-transflash-microsd-sdhc-memory-card-class-4-11241
Feb 02 14:36:15 <lcuk> http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.1.20110201.84/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/
Feb 02 14:37:01 <Jartza> toninikkanen: yeah, I've just been lazy :)
Feb 02 14:37:12 <toninikkanen> actually.. i'll order one myself now. :)
Feb 02 14:37:32 <Venemo> lcuk: my 2gb microSD wasn't enough, I don't have a 4GB one and don't want to buy one just for a simple test
Feb 02 14:37:48 <Venemo> lcuk: anyway, I'll test it on eMMC in sometime :)
Feb 02 14:37:53 <Venemo> lcuk: bb
Feb 02 14:38:03 <lcuk> roger, cya later Venemo \o
Feb 02 14:38:05 <Venemo> lcuk: I'll be back. :)
Feb 02 14:38:22 <lcuk> * Venemo is now known as The Terminator
Feb 02 14:39:05 * lcuk puts head back down for a bit
Feb 02 14:39:29 <piklu> Hello people
Feb 02 14:39:40 <piklu> when is some phone coming with Meego?
Feb 02 14:42:45 <toninikkanen> what's the cheapest android tablet that has "good enough" quality HW (for porting MeeGo to and running on) ?
Feb 02 14:43:22 <piklu> Dell Streak, I think that would be good for you
Feb 02 14:43:31 <piklu> They were recently running discounts
Feb 02 14:45:41 <andre__> piklu: a MeeGo phone comes when a company using MeeGo announces one :)
Feb 02 14:45:59 <toninikkanen> no announces yet, so no way to know
Feb 02 14:46:01 <piklu> andre_ : looking for some insider news, lol
Feb 02 14:46:12 <piklu> I expect Nokia to roll one
Feb 02 14:46:25 <andre__> and everybody will publish insider news in a public IRC channel, lol
Feb 02 14:46:41 <toninikkanen> well think of it this way, if someone had insider info and leaked it here, they would be fired yesterday :)
Feb 02 14:46:43 <piklu> nicknames only here, lol
Feb 02 14:47:00 <berndhs> for insider news about Nokia, go to a bar in Finnland and start buying them expensive drinks
Feb 02 14:47:04 <piklu> I thought its a channel involved in MeeGo Development
Feb 02 14:47:15 <toninikkanen> berndhs: that strategy would work so well it would be scary.
Feb 02 14:47:23 <andre__> piklu: it is, MeeGo *SOFTWARE* development
Feb 02 14:47:31 <andre__> hardware of vendors = not here
Feb 02 14:47:34 <piklu> Like APPS on MEEGO
Feb 02 17:09:39 <CosmoHill> berndhs: I think I got it, if I don't touch the website it can't break. at least not in a way where I get blamed
Feb 02 18:31:22 <lcuk> [Tinycc-devel] i just can't get over how farging fast tcc is...    http://www.mail-archive.com/tinycc-devel@nongnu.org/msg03084.html     some simple benchmarks of tcc.  its a shame its x86 only
Feb 02 18:31:47 <thiago_home> compile times?
Feb 02 18:31:55 <thiago_home> how about execution times of the built code?
Feb 02 18:32:20 <javispedro> lcuk: have you seen it compile the entire linux kernel in less than 30sec? :)
Feb 02 18:32:52 <javispedro> I remember there was a video (or was it a screenshot set?) where it booted to tcc in real mode compiling linux then chainloaded to the just compiled kernel
Feb 02 18:33:07 <lcuk> thiago_home, check the thread, I ask the same thing
Feb 02 18:33:26 <thiago_home> compilers running in real-mode?
Feb 02 18:33:38 <thiago_home> I haven't seen those since my Clipper and Turbo Pascal days
Feb 02 18:34:23 <lcuk> hmm the mail archive hasnt caught the latest message
Feb 02 18:34:37 * lbt wants to see fastcgi for gcc
Feb 02 18:34:39 <javispedro> http://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html
Feb 02 18:35:06 <thiago_home> for automatic builds...hmm interesting
Feb 02 18:35:39 <thiago_home> my first C and C++ compiler already ran in protected mode
Feb 02 18:37:25 <javispedro> *sees source* hmm.. seems it runs in protected mode after all.
Feb 02 18:37:32 <lcuk> thiago_home, what did you output from your compilers?   asm or .o?
Feb 02 18:37:45 <thiago_home> at those times? .obj
Feb 02 18:38:17 <lcuk> heh
Feb 02 18:38:28 <thiago_home> well, not the TP one
Feb 02 18:38:30 * lcuk still calls binaries .exe and shared libraries dlls ;)
Feb 02 18:38:41 <thiago_home> clipper did produce .obj, but it was an interpreted language
Feb 02 18:39:03 <thiago_home> it generated code that called a library function to interpret a list of commands
Feb 02 18:39:14 <thiago_home> that's why there were Clipper decompilers back then
Feb 02 18:39:43 <thiago_home> the Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 compiler produced DOS real-mode and Windows 16-bit executables, but I didn't have the Windows SDK
Feb 02 18:39:51 <lcuk> like PCODE from visual basic
Feb 02 18:40:08 <thiago_home> Turbo Pascal didn't produce .obj. Libraries produced .tpu, programs produced .exe directly.
Feb 02 18:40:49 <thiago_home> the Microsoft compiler, as all compilers back then, had different memory models, for pointer sizes
Feb 02 18:40:57 <lcuk> theres a pascal compiler for maemo, I think the guy wrote an IDE too :)
Feb 02 18:41:37 <thiago_home> near pointers, far pointers, yielding several different memory models: tiny (.com, 16-bit pointers, 64kB max), small (.exe, 16-bit pointers, 64+64kB), compact, medium, large and huge
Feb 02 18:42:14 <lcuk> oh such fun x86 is
Feb 02 18:42:22 <thiago_home> yeah
Feb 02 18:42:35 <thiago_home> today's Linux executables are comparable to the Tiny model, except that pointers are 32-bit
Feb 02 18:42:43 <thiago_home> so they are limited to 4 GB of memory
Feb 02 18:43:17 <thiago_home> if we used 48-bit pointers supported by the architecture (large model), we could address a lot more memory
Feb 02 18:44:40 <lcuk> thiago_home, thats for 64bit CPUs I gather?
Feb 02 18:45:49 <lcuk> ie, the Atom CPUs inside many netbooks are not 64bit yet and so would not be usable?
Feb 02 18:51:17 <thiago_home> lcuk: 32-bit ones
Feb 02 18:51:45 <thiago_home> on 64-bit CPUs, pointers are 64-bit and the addressable memory depends only on the processor implementation
Feb 02 18:51:46 <lcuk> oh cool thiago_home
Feb 02 18:52:06 <thiago_home> btw, some Atom processors are 64-bit
Feb 02 18:52:29 <lcuk> I know some are, its just most of the common ones last time I looked were still 32b
Feb 02 19:11:16 <mkaran> Hi I am trying to build gst-plugins-base using the below command
Feb 02 19:11:18 <mkaran> build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.1.20110201.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 gst-plugins-base.spec
Feb 02 19:11:43 <CosmoHill> you mean rpmbuild ?
Feb 02 19:11:51 <mkaran> I am getting below error:
Feb 02 19:13:04 <mkaran> yes
Feb 02 19:13:17 <CosmoHill> can you pastebin the error
Feb 02 19:14:27 <mkaran> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/28319
Feb 02 19:14:43 <mkaran> please find the error http://paste.org/pastebin/view/28319
Feb 02 19:15:13 <CosmoHill> ls /usr/bin/python
Feb 02 19:17:26 <DawnFoster> We're doing a MeeGo Workgroup day (or 2) at the LF Collab Summit in April
Feb 02 19:17:50 <DawnFoster> For agenda feedback / other ideas: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Linux_Foundation_Collaboration_Summit_planning
Feb 02 19:18:35 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: thanks for getting my meego.com address book updated ;)
Feb 02 19:18:55 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: :)
Feb 02 19:20:41 <mkaran_> Hi CosmHill:
Feb 02 19:20:56 <CosmoHill> you have a tail
Feb 02 19:23:38 <mkaran_> CosmoHill: please tell me the solution
Feb 02 19:24:00 <CosmoHill> ls /usr/bin/python
Feb 02 19:25:05 <mkaran_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2011-01-20 21:14 /usr/bin/python -> python2.6
Feb 02 19:25:45 <CosmoHill> where is the file scangobj-merge.py ?
Feb 02 19:27:01 <mkaran_> CosmoHill: gst-plugins-base-0.10.32/common/scangobj-merge.py
Feb 02 19:27:39 <CosmoHill> hmm, ../../common/scangobj-merge.py might take it into the BUILD directory
Feb 02 19:31:28 <Aparna> Are there any MeeGo compliance test cases available?
Feb 02 19:31:45 <mkaran_> CosmpHill: Could you please tell me what I will do for this error
Feb 02 19:32:37 <Alison_Chaiken> BTW, DawnFoster, I did submit a BoF proposal to Embedded Linux Conference, which is 4 or 5 days after LFCS in the same venue.    I guess the audiences won't overlap so probably there's no duplication?
Feb 02 19:32:52 <Stskeeps> Aparna: app or system?
Feb 02 19:33:08 <Aparna> Stskeeps: system
Feb 02 19:33:33 <Stskeeps> Aparna: i -think- so, not so much on hardware adaptation side, but in terms of compliance packages
Feb 02 19:33:56 <Stskeeps> Aparna: prod mwichmann or discuss on meego-dev on steps forward
Feb 02 19:34:42 <mwichmann> test cases?
Feb 02 19:34:50 <mwichmann> there are some basic test tools....
Feb 02 19:34:52 <DawnFoster> Alison_Chaiken: great! (I'm not worried about duplication between the 2)
Feb 02 19:35:14 <Aparna> mwichmann: yes i checked those tools
Feb 02 19:35:32 <mwichmann> so you're looking for something else... details?
Feb 02 19:36:25 <Alison_Chaiken> Since LFCS BoF will attract only invited conference attendees, I think there should be plenty of locals who will attend the ELC one.    Perhaps if the BoF I suggested is accepted, some of the more technical presenters at LFCS can talk again at ELC.
Feb 02 19:36:40 <Aparna> mwichmann - are these tools complete. I was checking http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/ComplianceTools
Feb 02 19:37:16 <Aparna> mwichmann - If i run my system through this tool and get an OK am I done?
Feb 02 19:37:17 <mwichmann> I'm not exactly sure how to answer that
Feb 02 19:37:27 <mwichmann> ah... I see
Feb 02 19:37:36 <mwichmann> you're done with a caveat
Feb 02 19:38:09 <mwichmann> basically, with test result in hand you would be ready to apply to LF (if that's your aim)
Feb 02 19:38:47 <mwichmann> the caveat is you're still on the hook for compatibility; if meego.com implementation runs something and you don't, that's considered a sign of not being fully compliant
Feb 02 19:39:04 <Aparna> mwichmann: LF stands for? Sorry Im bad at abbreviations
Feb 02 19:39:07 <mwichmann> so you'd be expected to address that
Feb 02 19:39:28 <mwichmann> Linux Foundation (MeeGo trademark holder, you apply if you want to call your implementation meego)
Feb 02 19:39:40 <Aparna> ah ok I understand
Feb 02 19:39:48 <Stskeeps> mwichmann: out of curiousity, where do we have forms to start that process at?
Feb 02 19:40:02 <Stskeeps>  / description of it
Feb 02 19:40:12 <mwichmann> hey, I thought we were supposed to file bugs for bdub :)
Feb 02 19:40:22 <Stskeeps> true :)
Feb 02 19:40:50 <mwichmann> there's a faq and some other docs in development, hopefully someone will start posting up soon
Feb 02 19:40:53 <Stskeeps> now for the teaser: are meego reference device hardware adaptations automatically compliant? ;)
Feb 02 19:41:14 * mwichmann ducks and runs
Feb 02 19:41:28 <Stskeeps> hehe
Feb 02 19:41:29 <Aparna> So how will we be tested for for the implementation at LF. Are there test cases that are under development
Feb 02 19:42:08 <mwichmann> I think you can consider current tests to be early versions, and early experiences will guide where they have to evolve
Feb 02 19:42:21 <mwichmann> I'm not directly involved in the test part (at least not now)
Feb 02 19:42:59 <Aparna> mwichmann - when you say current test cases, those are the ones that we run using the compliance tools?
Feb 02 19:43:13 <mwichmann> yes, that's what I mean
Feb 02 19:43:22 <Aparna> ok thanks
Feb 02 19:43:31 <mwichmann> note that right now testing is existence-based, not functionally based
Feb 02 19:43:53 <mwichmann> that is, since meego is defined by a set of required packages, the test is that you have those, at the right versions
Feb 02 19:44:07 <mwichmann> not that they work according to some behvioral standard
Feb 02 19:45:03 <Aparna> hmm. So are we going to have some refinement which will take into consideration behavioral standard too
Feb 02 19:45:23 <mwichmann> hey, I said I had ducked and run away :)
Feb 02 19:45:35 <Aparna> hehe
Feb 02 19:45:47 <mwichmann> my own answer to that is that it's hoped "use meego.com reference source" is good enough
Feb 02 19:46:10 <mwichmann> if it isn't, behavioral tests (which is a really big bullet to bite) would be looked at
Feb 02 19:46:11 <Aparna> ok.
Feb 02 20:13:52 <lbt> are the compliance tests that LF runs 'open' ?
Feb 02 20:14:04 * lbt has lag
Feb 02 20:14:25 <Stskeeps> i think they're supposed to be - i thought it was kinda self-test and pass results to LF?
Feb 02 20:15:28 <kaushik> Oaktrail .ks config file???
Feb 02 20:15:29 <lbt> *nod*
Feb 02 20:15:42 * lbt breathes deeply
Feb 02 20:15:57 <lbt> looks for coffee beans to chew
Feb 02 20:16:26 * lardman has some chocolate covered ones he throws to lbt
Feb 02 20:16:37 <lbt> mmmm .... thanks
Feb 02 20:16:49 <lardman> careful, especially at this time of night
Feb 02 20:17:03 <lbt> meh... just getting started...
Feb 02 20:17:08 <lbt> really :(
Feb 02 20:17:10 <lardman> :)
Feb 02 20:17:17 <lardman> oh, not so good then
Feb 02 20:17:40 <lbt> not a productive day.... suppose I should stop irc-ing and go hit the python
Feb 02 20:17:53 <lardman> RSPCR?
Feb 02 20:18:08 <lardman> they won't be happy
Feb 02 20:18:29 <lbt> R ?
Feb 02 20:18:36 <lardman> Reptiles ;)
Feb 02 20:18:59 <lbt> mmm sensuous snakes...
Feb 02 20:19:17 <Stskeeps> lbt: QML+pyside is a fun way to spend an evening
Feb 02 20:19:27 <lardman> quick, more caffeine for this man!
Feb 02 20:19:58 <lcuk3> lbt, Nescafe have some great different blends of instant coffee
Feb 02 20:20:00 <lcuk3> sigh @ internet
Feb 02 20:20:02 <lcuk3> DawnFoster, the LFCS sessions - you did not add werewolf!
Feb 02 20:20:16 <lbt> nooo
Feb 02 20:20:42 <DawnFoster> lcuk3: We'll do that as a secret evening session after one of the parties :)
Feb 02 20:20:50 <Stskeeps> lcuk3: you should try the horrible things they claim is coffee here..
Feb 02 20:21:00 <lbt> .... bridge building.... for real cars
Feb 02 20:21:22 <lcuk> well lbt I was thinking something more meego related lol
Feb 02 20:21:26 <lardman> Stskeeps: you're not in India are you?
Feb 02 20:21:34 <lardman> very weak and very milky coffee
Feb 02 20:21:53 <lcuk> coffee should be strong and milky :D
Feb 02 20:21:54 <DawnFoster> *wonders if lcuk is trying to clone himself on IRC. Which one is the real lcuk?* :)
Feb 02 20:22:03 * CosmoHill has a 450MB auth.log file :/
Feb 02 20:22:56 <lcuk> DawnFoster, heh
Feb 02 20:23:00 * lcuk stands up
Feb 02 20:23:31 <lardman> this isn't like Simon Says is it?
Feb 02 20:25:06 <lcuk> lardman, it is if you say stuff
Feb 02 20:25:12 <lardman> ;)
Feb 02 20:25:19 <CosmoHill> my cousin has a t-shirt that reads "Simon says: Let's get wasted"
Feb 02 20:25:35 <lcuk> shhh CosmoHill you cannot post that online
Feb 02 20:25:36 <lardman> I normally just say "let's go to the bar"
Feb 02 20:25:42 <lcuk> lbt might read it and he HAS to follow it
Feb 02 20:25:58 <CosmoHill> the funny thing is that he's not old enough to buy drink yet
Feb 02 20:26:09 * lardman / simon says eat coffee beans
Feb 02 20:26:24 * lbt is halfway there on coffee beans ... dark chocolate covered ones
Feb 02 20:26:25 <lcuk> lol
Feb 02 20:26:39 <CosmoHill> now I want a hot chocolate
Feb 02 20:26:41 <lardman> CosmoHill: that's when you actually get wasted, once you're old enough you have built up a tolerance
Feb 02 20:26:54 <lbt> lardman: as it happens I went to Whittards yesterday and got 3 packs :)
Feb 02 20:26:54 * lardman continues with his glass of vino
Feb 02 20:27:00 <lcuk> DawnFoster, will most people be carrying their meego devices with them?
Feb 02 20:27:05 <CosmoHill> in all honestly I think he drinks more than I do
Feb 02 20:27:20 <lardman> lbt: don't tempt me, if I start eating those I'll never get to sleep at a reasonable hour! :)
Feb 02 20:27:21 <lcuk> suggest something simple like give them a piece of logo to draw - then stack devices together
Feb 02 20:27:51 <lbt> crunchy and stick in your teeth .... but in a "ooh, that tastes nice" kinda way
Feb 02 20:27:54 <DawnFoster> lcuk: carrying devices to the collab summit? (Or did I miss something)?
Feb 02 20:28:03 <lcuk> yes DawnFoster
Feb 02 20:28:12 * lbt goes to work...
Feb 02 20:28:24 <lcuk> will they have ideapads or other touchable meego devices
Feb 02 20:28:46 * thiago_home hopes to be allowed to carry his meego device in public soon
Feb 02 20:28:49 <DawnFoster> lcuk: I hope so. I usually have a MeeGo netbook at conferences
Feb 02 20:28:58 <DawnFoster> lcuk: and I do my presentations from the netbook :)
Feb 02 20:29:15 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: PDF?
Feb 02 20:29:17 <lcuk> I know you do DawnFoster, I meant the audience
Feb 02 20:29:32 <lcuk> /participants in a collaborative session
Feb 02 20:29:46 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: open office usually
Feb 02 20:29:51 <CosmoHill> I like the idea of the meego devices being carried around in secert and flashes to those who need to see them like some kinda ID
Feb 02 20:30:04 <lardman> lol
Feb 02 20:30:06 <lcuk> CosmoHill, I tried that at the meegoconf
Feb 02 20:30:26 <lcuk> (I did not have my badge on and the security guard was there lol)
Feb 02 20:30:30 <CosmoHill> like spys in files
Feb 02 20:30:33 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: but oo is really wonky on meego - I'm hoping LibreOffice has their meego build soon.
Feb 02 20:30:42 <lardman> lcuk: he didn't like the trenchcoat?
Feb 02 20:31:04 <CosmoHill> lardman: a bad spy, searching his many pockets for the meego device
Feb 02 20:31:08 <lcuk> lardman, nahh he was fine with that, I think it was my stockings and high heels that threw him.
Feb 02 20:31:30 <CosmoHill> "is that a windows 7 phone? he's working for the other side, get him!"
Feb 02 20:31:37 <lardman> CosmoHill: no, has another connotation re flashing, which lcuk summed up quite nicely :D
Feb 02 20:31:38 <CosmoHill> (PS welcome to my imagination)
Feb 02 20:32:06 <lcuk> heh
Feb 02 20:32:14 <lcuk> will bbiab \o
Feb 02 20:32:19 <mwichmann> lbt, Stskeeps: the tests that exist are in git (meego-compliance-tools)
Feb 02 20:32:42 <mwichmann> there are no tools "that LF run" in the sense that it's a self-testing model, you run 'em yourself
Feb 02 20:32:59 <CosmoHill> now I have that image of lardman in my head only with a trenchcoat on over the top
Feb 02 20:33:08 <lardman> not me, lcuk !
Feb 02 20:34:19 * lardman curses os.popen
Feb 02 20:38:58 <mwichmann> and why does it need cursing? (any more than C popen(), that is)?
Feb 02 20:41:55 <lardman> it's being used on nm, and nm is presumably only producing a stderr output as the binary in question is statically compiled
Feb 02 20:42:08 <lardman> so I'm cursing it as I need to replace it
Feb 02 20:42:29 <lardman> so nothing too specific
Feb 02 20:44:12 <thiago_home> isn't there a popen3?
Feb 02 20:44:17 <thiago_home> or was that a Perl thing?
Feb 02 20:44:27 <lardman> apparently deprecated now
Feb 02 20:44:29 <lardman> but yes
Feb 02 20:45:01 <mwichmann> heck, there's even a popen4 afair
Feb 02 20:45:21 <lardman> indeed
Feb 02 20:46:13 <mwichmann> without looking it up, I think the intent is to move people to subprocess
Feb 02 20:47:13 <lardman> yes, though using the suggested import line results in something along the lines of NameError: global name 'Popen3' is not defined
Feb 02 20:56:10 <lardman> what can I do to check whether there are any lines to return with f.readlines() without blocking?
Feb 02 20:57:53 <RST38h> lardman:peek() or feof()?
Feb 02 20:58:16 <lardman> it's stdout, is that likely to still work?
Feb 02 20:58:33 <RST38h> stdin you mean?yes, peek() should work
Feb 02 20:58:49 <lardman> no stdout of a file I've popened
Feb 02 20:59:03 <lardman> that's confusing
Feb 02 20:59:10 <lardman> anyway it's the output of nm
Feb 02 20:59:19 <RST38h> it should work, try it
Feb 02 20:59:42 <lardman> this is Python btw
Feb 02 21:00:06 <RST38h> should work the same
Feb 02 21:00:26 <lardman> I can't see it in the docs
Feb 02 21:05:57 <RST38h> lardman: use file.next()
Feb 02 21:06:32 * lardman has a look at that one
Feb 02 21:06:36 <RST38h> lardman: and no, I am not responsible for python "architects" making you do everything through the anal orifice
Feb 02 21:06:44 <lardman> :)
Feb 02 21:07:22 <lardman> I've tried a "for line in file" and that seems to block too
Feb 02 21:07:33 <lardman> and that should be the same as file.ext
Feb 02 21:07:36 <lardman> next
Feb 02 21:08:08 * lardman gives up for the time being and starts writing something in C++
Feb 02 21:08:13 <lardman> or even C
Feb 02 21:09:11 <RST38h> A sensible idea.
Feb 02 21:43:25 <Alison_Chaiken> I'm having trouble getting WiFi to connect on Atom with meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf-1.1.90.0.    ath3k is loaded, "iwlist scanning" shows channels, so HW is working.     Do I need to start connman by hand, or if I type "ifconfig mywifi up" at CLI, should connman start?    connman docs are a bit light!
Feb 02 21:44:09 <Alison_Chaiken> I see "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): link is not ready" in dmesg, BTW.
Feb 02 21:58:59 <Venemo> hey guys
Feb 02 23:34:28 <hirabayashitaro> Hi, there's something that I don't get about wiki's Release Engineering/Plans
Feb 02 23:35:45 <CosmoHill> which is
Feb 02 23:36:35 <hirabayashitaro> what's the meaning of repeating solved bug for every weekly release in the wiki?
Feb 02 23:37:33 <CosmoHill> someone will be along to answer you
Feb 02 23:38:06 <hirabayashitaro> thanks
Feb 02 23:46:27 <Umeaboy> Hi
Feb 02 23:46:29 <Umeaboy> !
Feb 02 23:47:21 <Umeaboy> Isn't service network status meant to work?
Feb 02 23:48:12 <Umeaboy> And lshw.
Feb 02 23:48:17 <Umeaboy> And many other.
Feb 02 23:48:53 <Umeaboy> I went to Garage & installed Totem, but where's the icon/gui for it?
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