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Feb 03 05:19:59 <npm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lleYf7XHuMc ("Fun with QML and YouTube")
Feb 03 05:32:07 <beford> looks nice npm
Feb 03 08:02:06 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: nokia n900 hardware adaptation meeting NOW in #meego-meeting
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Feb 03 10:46:23 <arfoll> i'm lost, to use spectacle do you need to have written a .spec file allready?
Feb 03 10:46:28 <Stskeeps> no
Feb 03 10:46:56 <arfoll> ok i have a brand new project, small follows autogen, make, make install
Feb 03 10:46:59 <Stskeeps> start with yaml file, specify, that creates a .spec file, customize .spec to your needs. when new patch / version comes along, update yaml, re-run specify, maintains your custom changes
Feb 03 10:47:18 <arfoll> ok but i have to write the yaml file by hand?
Feb 03 10:47:26 <Stskeeps> right, but that's hardly difficult :)
Feb 03 10:47:27 <Stskeeps> sec
Feb 03 10:47:44 <arfoll> it's not the difficulty, i just want to do it the "meego" way
Feb 03 10:47:50 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial#Create_YAML_package_meta-data_file
Feb 03 10:48:12 <arfoll> cheers, that looks perfect.
Feb 03 10:48:25 <Stskeeps> look at examples from meego components, many of them have yamls
Feb 03 10:50:28 <arfoll> is there a way to generate the file list automatically?
Feb 03 10:51:33 <Stskeeps> well, that's what your app installs, so unsure
Feb 03 10:52:11 <arfoll> fair enough, in this case it's one file so it's not exactly a big deal ;-)
Feb 03 10:53:33 <arfoll> i have to admit i still dont really understand why the yaml instead of just editing the spec file straight out
Feb 03 10:54:25 <Stskeeps> i find yaml easier to deal with, as a spec beginner
Feb 03 10:54:32 <Stskeeps> gives a nice template to package with
Feb 03 10:54:54 <Stskeeps> remember yaml isn't obligatory, but it does make your life easier
Feb 03 10:57:34 <arfoll> I guess i'm more used to writting .spec files, i know it's not obligatory but I wanted to understand it a little and thought my tiny package was a great way to start...
Feb 03 10:57:43 <Hq`> I decided to go straight for the spec file, yaml just seemed like an unnecessary step
Feb 03 10:58:56 <arfoll> Hq`, the advantage i see is that no longer can you have a patch as a source and forget to apply it...
Feb 03 11:12:16 <Hq`> yeah I guess it has to have some advantages :)
Feb 03 11:13:12 <Hq`> but with a quick glance yamls looked just like specs but with a slightly different formatting
Feb 03 11:13:33 <Stskeeps> it does have a lot of automagic
Feb 03 11:13:40 <Stskeeps> seemingily 'autospectacle' exists too
Feb 03 11:13:45 <Stskeeps> point to a tarball, it does the rest
Feb 03 11:14:07 <CosmoHill> sounds interesting, but potentialy bad
Feb 03 11:20:14 <arfoll> do i have to upload the spec file when putting the package in OBS?
Feb 03 11:20:29 <arfoll> or will the yaml be understood and the spec generated as part of the OBS build routine?
Feb 03 11:21:10 <sandst1> arfoll: the spec file needs to go to OBS
Feb 03 11:21:16 <Stskeeps> spec is what obs understands, yaml goes along usually for later usage
Feb 03 11:21:25 <arfoll> ok fair enough
Feb 03 12:35:22 <Jartza> http://gizmodo.com/5750713/analyst-says-nokias-meego-is-the-biggest-joke-in-the-tech-industry-right-now
Feb 03 12:36:07 <Titogelo> does anyone knows anything about velneo and meego?
Feb 03 12:36:18 <Stskeeps> Jartza: heh
Feb 03 12:37:45 <tudovio_> I'm looking for Time management Meego API's, time automatic updates, but I dind't find any available info. Any clues?
Feb 03 12:37:54 <Stskeeps> tudovio_: 'timed'
Feb 03 12:40:19 <tcs-meego_> why do i get Installing package to device...
Feb 03 12:40:20 <tcs-meego_> bash: /usr/lib/mad-developer/devrootsh: No such file or directory ?
Feb 03 13:04:31 <tudovio_> Stskeeps: I dind't find any reference to 'timed', Could you please explain the context of use it? I need to know how to manage the time automatic updates. Thanks!
Feb 03 13:05:07 <Stskeeps> tudovio_: it's an API and a daemon, i think
Feb 03 13:54:25 <Venemo_N900> hey lcuk, I got good news
Feb 03 14:08:10 <lcukn900> oooh internet
Feb 03 14:08:18 <sig^> any wetab users here? There seems to be no #wetab
Feb 03 14:08:37 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: hi! :)
Feb 03 14:08:48 <sig^> I'm wondering the handicapped soft keyboard on wetab
Feb 03 14:08:57 <sig^> no esc, no arrow keys? what is this shite?
Feb 03 14:09:13 <Stskeeps> well, they aren't using the meego UX'es for that, afaik
Feb 03 14:09:30 <Stskeeps> so you're better off complaining to them instead :)
Feb 03 14:09:38 <Venemo_N900> sig^: wetab uses meego with a custom ux.
Feb 03 14:09:40 <sig^> mm, if I just could find "them"  I:
Feb 03 14:10:03 <Venemo_N900> sig^: I don't know if any of the official UXes can run on it
Feb 03 14:10:17 <Stskeeps> it can, afaik
Feb 03 14:10:18 <sig^> otherwise it's promising, but come on, how I'm supposed to use VIM if I don't have esc  >_<
Feb 03 14:10:22 <sig^> maybe it's ctrl+something?
Feb 03 14:10:26 <Stskeeps> people are working on real meego.com there
Feb 03 14:10:30 <lcukn900> netbook and handset afaik are both available, alison looked afaik
Feb 03 14:11:45 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: the good news is that they're gonna lend me a Symbian device for porting puzzle-master
Feb 03 14:12:16 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: so until I have it, I can use that as a phone and try meego on the N900
Feb 03 14:12:31 <lcukn900> yeahhhhhhh venemo
Feb 03 14:12:49 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: :)
Feb 03 14:12:58 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: how're you today?
Feb 03 14:13:17 <lcukn900> really pleased you made your app, made me smile broadly when i ran it on my ideapad and your shock it ran lol
Feb 03 14:14:26 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: :) that's what portability means
Feb 03 14:15:01 <lcukn900> venemo, smiling.  even tho i have a stinker of a headache, no real internet, holes in my socks and toothache
Feb 03 14:15:18 <sig^> I tried  sudo echo "a.d.d.r ser ser" >> /etc/hosts  and got  bash: /etc/hosts: Permission denied
Feb 03 14:15:25 <sig^> this is maybe a #meego issue?
Feb 03 14:15:52 <lcukn900> venemo, smiling.  even tho i have a stinker of a headache, no real internet, holes in my socks and toothache
Feb 03 14:15:56 <lcukn900> feck
Feb 03 14:16:10 <lcukn900> sig login as root instead of sudo
Feb 03 14:17:17 <sig^> mm, I used a "root shell" app  >_>
Feb 03 14:17:53 <Stskeeps> sig^: try to read what you said as (sudo echo "a.d.d.r ser ser") >> /etc/hosts
Feb 03 14:17:53 <Venemo_N900> sig^: if you logged in to a root shell, then sudo is unneeded
Feb 03 14:18:05 <Stskeeps> sig^: that explains why it can't write there
Feb 03 14:18:15 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: where are you?
Feb 03 14:18:19 <sig^> I tried without sudo too
Feb 03 14:18:24 <sig^> I could try the parens
Feb 03 14:18:38 <Stskeeps> sig^: sudo su, then echo "foo" >> /etc/hosts.
Feb 03 14:18:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 14:18:57 <Venemo_N900> lcukn900: are you travelling somewhere?
Feb 03 14:19:31 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: I thought that only one > was needed
Feb 03 14:19:37 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: append
Feb 03 14:19:47 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: oh. right.
Feb 03 14:20:19 <lcukn900> venemo no am at home, internet is a bit topsyturvy right now.  should realign itself shortly I bet.
Feb 03 14:20:57 <Venemo_N900> so lcukn900, if you have a toothache, why don't you go to a dentist?
Feb 03 14:26:45 <lcuk> \o DawnFoster
Feb 03 14:27:10 <DawnFoster> hey lcuk
Feb 03 14:27:13 <Venemo_N900> lcuk, interned solved?
Feb 03 14:27:42 <lcuk> I certainly hope so!
Feb 03 14:50:26 <lcuk> alterego, vgrade - how did last night go?
Feb 03 15:10:30 <thp> lcuk: your vb mail was quite the flamewar starter :p
Feb 03 15:10:44 * lcuk giggles
Feb 03 15:10:54 <Venemo_N900> I've just boarded an intercity train
Feb 03 15:10:55 <lcuk> its the one app I miss from windows
Feb 03 15:11:11 <thp> did you have any luck with wine?
Feb 03 15:11:23 <Venemo_N900> some people are playing with their netbooks here, all of which're running wincraqp
Feb 03 15:11:24 <lcuk> No, but the Guinness was nice.
Feb 03 15:11:39 <lcuk> I haven't the skill to setup Wine.
Feb 03 15:11:40 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: what app is it that you're missing?
Feb 03 15:11:54 <lcuk> I have tried a couple of times, but never managed to get it working
Feb 03 15:12:00 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, VB classic :P
Feb 03 15:12:06 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: :)
Feb 03 15:12:17 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: have you tried MonoDevelop?
Feb 03 15:12:53 <lcuk> I have tried many IDEs over the time, Qt creator is great on a modern fast machine
Feb 03 15:13:58 <Aard> what's wrong with emacs? ;)
Feb 03 15:14:01 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: with MonoDevelop you can develop VB :)
Feb 03 15:14:58 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, I know :)
Feb 03 15:17:33 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: about Wine, it's dead easy
Feb 03 15:17:44 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: I managed to get SC2 working :P
Feb 03 15:17:53 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: without issue! :P
Feb 03 15:18:23 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: if you can't, you can always turn to #winehq
Feb 03 16:05:41 <lcukn900> spyro ping
Feb 03 17:03:12 <prasad> Hi i am a new bee.. I am trying to install Meego on my sony vaio.. but after installation it give error like "cannot work with out intel arm module" can someone help on this issue
Feb 03 17:05:56 <makulkar> prasad, as error says, can not work without arm chip. Do you have arm device
Feb 03 17:08:34 <prasad> @nakulkar I am not sure of that.. how can i check it?
Feb 03 17:18:05 <beford> I don't think that's the issue, what laptop are you using prasad ? does it have nvidia/ati video?
Feb 03 17:18:27 <beford> if so, you can't use the default installer from meego.com since it does not include those drivers
Feb 03 18:15:46 <lcuk> oh cool RT: @meegofi Meet us at #FOSDEM http://ping.fm/yspAl    http://twitter.com/meegofi/status/33226668650795008
Feb 03 19:08:44 <Mek> does anyone know if http://gitorious.org/qtquickcompat is packaged for meego somewhere, since it seems meego 1.1 only has qt 4.7.0?
Feb 03 20:12:58 <Stskeeps>  /whois obarron|dx
Feb 03 20:13:05 <Stskeeps> meh, got me there..
Feb 03 20:13:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 20:13:43 <obarron|dx> He
Feb 03 20:14:00 <Stskeeps> how's the travel going?
Feb 03 20:14:15 <obarron|dx> Hey stskeeps
Feb 03 20:14:29 <obarron|dx> Stuck in washington
Feb 03 20:14:40 <Stskeeps> sounds fun :P
Feb 03 20:42:29 <Umeaboy> Hi!
Feb 03 20:42:45 <Umeaboy> Stskeeps: Shouldn't Meego have support for 3G-modems?
Feb 03 20:42:50 <Umeaboy> Built-in.
Feb 03 20:43:02 <Stskeeps> Umeaboy: it really depends on a lot of factors :)
Feb 03 20:43:15 <Umeaboy> Okey.
Feb 03 20:43:50 <Stskeeps> i mean, it supports the 3g modem inside a nokia n900 when meego runs on it, but it might not support every 3g usb modem.
Feb 03 20:43:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 20:43:59 <Umeaboy> And btw.........if Meego is based on Linux, why doesn't lshw or service network status work?
Feb 03 20:44:32 <Umeaboy> I wrote it as root.
Feb 03 20:44:34 <Stskeeps> is that part of normal gnu/linux?
Feb 03 20:44:38 <Umeaboy> Yes.
Feb 03 20:44:51 <Stskeeps> highly doubt that - which package?
Feb 03 20:45:04 <Umeaboy> lshw is sort for ls hardware.
Feb 03 20:45:24 <Umeaboy> It's called the same.
Feb 03 20:45:27 <Umeaboy> lshw.
Feb 03 20:45:57 <Stskeeps> i don't believe that's one of the gnu utils or part of LSB :P
Feb 03 20:46:22 <Umeaboy> http://sophie.zarb.org
Feb 03 20:46:26 <Umeaboy> Chat with the bot.
Feb 03 20:46:34 <Umeaboy> Type :s lshw
Feb 03 20:46:46 <dm8tbr> Umeaboy: I think you are missing the point
Feb 03 20:47:06 <Stskeeps> yes, i know - i'm just saying lshw isn't part of linux standard base, nor is 'service'
Feb 03 20:47:19 <Stskeeps> that's up to the init implementation (service) and lshw is an optional package
Feb 03 20:47:44 <Umeaboy> Well, how to check if there's a connection-issue?
Feb 03 20:48:05 <Stskeeps> interfacing with connman somehow
Feb 03 20:48:16 <Stskeeps> there's some test scripts that's useful
Feb 03 20:48:30 <Stskeeps> normally i would just run "ifconfig" "route" and "ping", but that's me :)
Feb 03 20:48:36 <Umeaboy> I use And how should a noob be aware of that?
Feb 03 20:48:54 <Stskeeps> a noob rarely ventures into the shell as root
Feb 03 20:48:54 <Umeaboy> Oooooops.
Feb 03 20:48:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 20:48:56 <kyb3R> meego is not for noobs atm
Feb 03 20:48:58 <Umeaboy> And how should a noob be aware of that?
Feb 03 20:49:01 <Umeaboy> Okey.
Feb 03 20:49:15 <Stskeeps> they shouldn't - and there should be proper network applets to tell you of a status
Feb 03 20:49:19 <Stskeeps> of the network connection
Feb 03 20:49:27 <Umeaboy> Yes.
Feb 03 20:49:40 <Umeaboy> Installed Totem, but still can't see it in the list of Programs.
Feb 03 20:49:42 <Umeaboy> Why?
Feb 03 20:49:48 <Umeaboy> No error during the installation.
Feb 03 20:50:02 <Stskeeps> i don't know much about netbook, i work on core and handse
Feb 03 20:50:02 <Stskeeps> t
Feb 03 20:50:09 <Umeaboy> I installed from Garage.
Feb 03 20:50:27 <Stskeeps> i don't know what that is actually like :P
Feb 03 20:50:43 <Umeaboy> Totem is a mediaplayer.
Feb 03 20:50:56 <Umeaboy> A general one like Banshee, but better.
Feb 03 20:51:13 <Umeaboy> Garage is the program-bank AFAIK.
Feb 03 20:52:59 * kyb3R does not use garage...yet
Feb 03 20:53:42 <dm8tbr> we have a garage for meego?
Feb 03 20:53:55 <vgrade> dm8tbr, hi
Feb 03 20:54:04 <dm8tbr> hullo vgrade
Feb 03 20:54:30 <vgrade> i am planning to upload a jogger image to 10738
Feb 03 20:54:47 <vgrade> do you have an area for pandaboard
Feb 03 21:02:35 <dm8tbr> vgrade: I can create one for the panda
Feb 03 21:05:21 <vgrade> cool thanks
Feb 03 21:05:25 <vgrade> looks for his login
Feb 03 21:05:27 <dm8tbr> vgrade: who would provide panda images? you or nishanth?
Feb 03 21:05:39 <Venemo> hey meegoists
Feb 03 21:06:06 <vgrade> dm8tbr, I was going to throw the one I built for the meego cambridge meeting
Feb 03 21:06:19 <vgrade> over the wall
Feb 03 21:07:21 <dm8tbr> ok
Feb 03 21:07:37 <dm8tbr> let me create that space
Feb 03 21:07:51 <dm8tbr> vgrade: oh and the filenames please s/meego/mg/
Feb 03 21:09:23 <vgrade> if your expecting something from nm or others please move my image off to a subdir as I know nm is probably far further on than me with panda
Feb 03 21:10:40 <dm8tbr> I'll ask him later and then we could rearrange
Feb 03 21:10:58 <vgrade> np
Feb 03 21:11:30 <dm8tbr> oh and expect a comment from me on the bug itself now that we are reaching critical mass :)
Feb 03 21:11:57 <vgrade> bug 10738
Feb 03 21:12:01 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed
Feb 03 21:24:34 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps - or others - how impolite is it to add t MeeGo adaptation
Feb 03 21:24:36 <dm8tbr> grrr
Feb 03 21:24:38 <dm8tbr> pastefail
Feb 03 21:25:13 <dm8tbr> ... to add 'http://bug10738.openaos.org/' to the Bug URL field?
Feb 03 21:25:16 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed
Feb 03 21:26:07 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: i'm actually occasionally wondering if we can use bug10738 for n900 images, that's how useful it would be :)
Feb 03 21:27:26 <dm8tbr> let me create an account for you... ;)
Feb 03 21:27:44 <Stskeeps> or hardfp, for that matter :P
Feb 03 21:29:23 <N900addikt> I got kicked outta maemo
Feb 03 21:30:18 <Stskeeps> well, you're technically still banned here, just not properly
Feb 03 21:31:15 <N900addikt> Banned why?
Feb 03 21:31:38 <Stskeeps> well, you have a bad long term memory it sounds like :)
Feb 03 21:32:03 <N900addikt> You mistake me for someone else bro
Feb 03 21:32:38 <Stskeeps> fairly sure i'm not, but okay
Feb 03 21:33:03 <N900addikt> Did i offend somebody?
Feb 03 21:33:08 <N900addikt> Proof man proof
Feb 03 21:33:39 <Stskeeps> we do actually have public logs here, so hang on..
Feb 03 21:33:50 <N900addikt> I know...show me
Feb 03 21:36:59 <N900addikt> Silence of the lambs
Feb 03 21:40:38 <Stskeeps> http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-07-30.log.html#t2010-07-30T17:50:55 , http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego/log.10-05-2010 22:57 and down, always the same MO, similar IP ranges, similar nicknames, similar behaviour -- or you have a large bunch of trolls in your neighbourhood
Feb 03 21:41:28 <N900addikt> Its not me man i swear this is a public library
Feb 03 21:42:02 <Stskeeps> i'll keep that in mind next time you claim you're driving and ircing at same time ;)
Feb 03 21:42:47 <Stskeeps> anyway, time to clean up the bans anyway
Feb 03 21:42:47 <ShadowJK> same gecos
Feb 03 21:43:01 <Stskeeps> ah, yeah - same irc realnames adding up to the pile of evidence :P
Feb 03 21:44:16 <N900addikt> Who would be sill to irc and drive?
Feb 03 21:44:27 <N900addikt> *Silly
Feb 03 21:44:56 <Stskeeps> people in your neighbourhood, it seems like, so i would watch out when walking on the street ;)
Feb 03 21:45:06 <N900addikt> Lol
Feb 03 21:45:20 <N900addikt> Not me man
Feb 03 21:49:03 <N900addikt> all i see is intelligent but sometimes heated conversation no?
Feb 03 21:49:39 <auke> dang, the ban list is awfully empty at the moment
Feb 03 21:50:08 <Stskeeps> auke: it's good to clean up occasionally - if you have any that needs to be re-added for sure, go ahea
Feb 03 21:50:11 <Stskeeps> d
Feb 03 21:50:35 <berndhs> yeah you dont want to risk ban-list underrun :)
Feb 03 21:50:48 <auke> actually I think that's a good idea, clean it out once in a while...
Feb 03 21:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> technically I've just silenced him in #maemo, as it's absolutely obvious this is our beloved N900lova/hater IRC+drive gasoline lorry troll
Feb 03 21:51:48 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: really, he upped his game to ircing while driving a gasoline lorry?
Feb 03 21:53:00 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, quite a long time ago, but nothing changed it seems. Still the same whining and trolling
Feb 03 21:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> and same IP range
Feb 03 21:53:45 <DocScrutinizer> and same type of nick
Feb 03 21:54:54 <DocScrutinizer> anyway - take care
Feb 03 21:54:56 <DocScrutinizer> cya
Feb 03 21:55:07 <N900addikt> Why?
Feb 03 21:55:17 <N900addikt> you are mistaken
Feb 03 21:56:17 <N900addikt> Why u dont believe me man?
Feb 03 21:57:08 <N900addikt> Noone believes me man
Feb 03 21:58:04 <Stskeeps> N900addikt: i've been around IRC for over 11 years, founded an IRC server that was at least last i looked, used at 84% of all IRC servers. i've dealt with trolls, being DDoSed, etc. and that's why i'm not inclined to believe you, but since i'm not an idiot and believe that people can change, well, you're still here :)
Feb 03 21:58:59 <Stskeeps> but now back to normal discussion
Feb 03 22:00:47 <N900addikt> Ok
Feb 03 22:04:06 <Stskeeps> N900addikt: so what do you think of the latest images of meego on n900 now that we've upgraded the graphics drivers?
Feb 03 22:05:01 <Venemo> Stskeeps: is hardfp there yet?
Feb 03 22:05:37 <Stskeeps> Venemo: waiting for a OBS patch, but it's comparable in ability to softfp
Feb 03 22:06:57 <N900addikt> I havent tried yet
Feb 03 22:07:19 <Stskeeps> N900addikt: ah, that's a shame
Feb 03 22:07:50 <Venemo> Stskeeps: so, did it bring the improvements you guys hoped from it? :)
Feb 03 22:08:02 <Stskeeps> Venemo: fairly, but there's still issues to be ironed out
Feb 03 22:08:38 <Stskeeps> N900addikt: so what are you expecting from meego on n900?
Feb 03 22:12:10 <N900addikt> Id like to run smoothly
Feb 03 22:12:31 <N900addikt> Like it
Feb 03 22:12:37 <Stskeeps> that's what we're hoping too - i mean, it is a project demonstrator
Feb 03 22:12:55 <N900addikt> Yes
Feb 03 22:13:36 <N900addikt> To be honest i think the hardware of n900 will be too weak to show meego's true potential.
Feb 03 22:14:39 <Stskeeps> well, to some degree you're right, but consider that if it performs quite well on low spec, it'll absolutely rock on later spec
Feb 03 22:15:08 <Umeaboy> Stskeeps: On www.meegosweden.com they wrote that #meegosweden is the place to go if you're a Swedish MeeGo-user, but noones there when checking.
Feb 03 22:15:12 <Umeaboy> No activity at all.
Feb 03 22:15:31 <Stskeeps> Umeaboy: well, not much irc'ers then - raise a topic on their forums maybe
Feb 03 22:16:18 <Stskeeps> N900addikt: i'm personally looking forward to seeing tablets with omap4 or tegra2 with meego arm port on, that'd be delicious
Feb 03 22:19:34 <Umeaboy> I can't login to that forum. I just regged.
Feb 03 22:20:03 <Stskeeps> hmm, ok
Feb 03 22:20:38 <Umeaboy> I have activated my account as well.
Feb 03 22:20:52 <Stskeeps> don't know, sorry
Feb 03 22:20:59 <Umeaboy> Okey.
Feb 03 22:21:10 <Umeaboy> How do I run .-files?
Feb 03 22:21:22 <Umeaboy> Run-files.
Feb 03 22:21:30 <Stskeeps> hmm?
Feb 03 22:21:31 <Umeaboy> ./XXXX doesn't work.
Feb 03 22:21:58 <Umeaboy> I went to the unzipped directory & wrote ./skype for example.
Feb 03 22:22:04 <Umeaboy> No such command.
Feb 03 22:22:06 <Umeaboy> .....?
Feb 03 22:22:29 <Stskeeps> oh, chmod +x them first
Feb 03 22:23:14 <Stskeeps> or /lib/ld-linux.so.2 filename (or 3 for arm) , if you're feeling insane
Feb 03 22:23:15 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 22:23:51 <Umeaboy> I AM insane.
Feb 03 22:23:54 <Umeaboy> I don'
Feb 03 22:24:01 <Umeaboy> t want to be like other people.
Feb 03 22:24:06 <Umeaboy> I want to be myself.
Feb 03 22:24:14 <Umeaboy> Who I am as a person.
Feb 03 22:24:31 <Stskeeps> here, have a cookie
Feb 03 22:24:39 * Stskeeps ponders sleep
Feb 03 22:26:24 <Venemo> Stskeeps, does MeeGo accept contributions from random people?
Feb 03 22:27:04 <Venemo> Stskeeps: eg. if I clone the repo of a meego app and do stuff with it, will my work be accepted to upstream?
Feb 03 22:27:25 <Umeaboy> I guess when it's properly tested.
Feb 03 22:27:47 <Stskeeps> Venemo: short and long answer: yes
Feb 03 22:28:00 <Venemo> just asking because one of the main problems of Maemo was that they never ever accepted a patch from the community
Feb 03 22:28:10 <Stskeeps> Venemo: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines , no paperwork, just signed-off-by
Feb 03 22:28:35 <Venemo> Stskeeps: yes, you mentioned it
Feb 03 22:28:38 <Venemo> Stskeeps: sounds nice :)
Feb 03 22:31:46 <Venemo> Stskeeps: one last question for today, do you have a guide to set up a MeeGo chroot on F14?
Feb 03 22:32:08 <Venemo> Stskeeps: or does the MeeGo SDK do that? (Is it similar to the Maemo5 SDK?)
Feb 03 22:33:19 <Stskeeps> Venemo: meego platform sdk does that, but meego sdk with madde is really the way to go if you're doing meego api stuff
Feb 03 22:33:56 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: has anyone been hacking on the GMA500 situation lately?
Feb 03 22:34:16 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee2: actually there's a xorg 1.9 driver out
Feb 03 22:34:27 <Stskeeps> still has quirks, i think
Feb 03 22:34:40 <Venemo> okay thank you Stskeeps
Feb 03 22:34:42 <TSCHAKeee2> *blink* REALLY?! wow!
Feb 03 22:34:54 <TSCHAKeee2> damn, that's great news..even if it only half works :P
Feb 03 22:35:08 <TSCHAKeee2> I love emgd to death
Feb 03 22:35:23 <TSCHAKeee2> but the whole VA-API situation damn near burst a blood vessel in my head.
Feb 03 22:35:25 <Stskeeps> http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/
Feb 03 22:35:49 <Stskeeps> (read release notes)
Feb 03 22:35:54 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Feb 03 22:35:59 * TSCHAKeee2 hugs Stskeeps
Feb 03 22:36:02 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee2: also, supposedly license terms has improved for redistribution
Feb 03 22:36:10 <TSCHAKeee2> good :)
Feb 03 22:36:10 <Stskeeps> at least the one i spotted in meego
Feb 03 22:36:28 <TSCHAKeee2> I'm currently making a small set of OBS build projects
Feb 03 22:36:35 <TSCHAKeee2> so I can build our current orbiter packages for meego
Feb 03 22:37:40 <TSCHAKeee2> i've got the main project built, but i am moving over package specs from Fedora Core 13 for SDL_ttf and a coulple of others.
Feb 03 22:40:34 <Venemo> Stskeeps: do you make use of the 'merge request' feature on Gitorious, or submitting patches via mailing list/bugzilla is the way to go?
Feb 03 22:41:02 <Stskeeps> Venemo: mailing list or bugzilla, MR's don't get proper notifications
Feb 03 22:42:05 <javispedro> lcuk: if you're that interested in running vb6, buy crossover :). it worked very well for me (had to install ie6 first though).
Feb 03 22:43:04 <mwichmann> I tried to use that for something and never could get it working very well
Feb 03 22:43:17 <Stskeeps> or just install virtualbox..
Feb 03 22:43:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 03 22:43:22 <mwichmann> it wants to install this, then that, then a third, and all of a sudden the whole setup has stopped working
Feb 03 22:43:33 <mwichmann> (crossover / wine, that is)
Feb 03 22:43:42 <javispedro> virtualbox on the lenovo unfortunately... (no vt-d)
Feb 03 23:07:09 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee2, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade/MeeGo_current_Core_standard/i586/
Feb 03 23:08:45 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee2, image will be up at http://bug10738.openaos.org/ soon
Feb 03 23:08:48 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed
Feb 03 23:12:08 <auke> bug 11626
Feb 03 23:12:11 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11626 is not accessible
Feb 03 23:13:01 <auke> ha, didn't know our bot was useful
Feb 03 23:13:19 <Umeaboy> Stskeeps: Stupid question, but do you know anyone good at reading Spanish?
Feb 03 23:23:44 <CosmoHill> did someone ping me?
Feb 03 23:28:11 <TSCHAKeee2> vgrade: no yum repo data? ;)
Feb 03 23:28:15 * TSCHAKeee2 runs!!!
Feb 03 23:29:11 <CosmoHill> try zypper, it's just as yummy
Feb 03 23:31:18 <TSCHAKeee2> don't care, was asking about repo data
Feb 03 23:31:22 <TSCHAKeee2> that could be used by MIC
Feb 03 23:40:14 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee2, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade
Feb 03 23:40:27 <vgrade> http://pastebin.com/UHPiCuzd
Feb 03 23:40:59 * CosmoHill backreads Meego* vs #meego users
Feb 03 23:44:48 <CosmoHill> it's coming up to Meegos 1st Birthday
Feb 03 23:47:52 <vgrade> TSCHKeee2, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade/MeeGo_current_Core_standard/
Feb 03 23:48:17 <wmarone> hi vgrade
Feb 03 23:48:30 <vgrade> hi there,
Feb 03 23:48:54 <vgrade> just catching up after the rush to get things ready for the Cambridge network meet
Feb 03 23:49:00 <wmarone> coolo
Feb 03 23:49:02 <wmarone> -o
Feb 03 23:49:16 <vgrade> any news on tegra?
Feb 03 23:49:28 <wmarone> nope, haven't had time to do anything with it
Feb 03 23:49:47 <Umeaboy> How's it possible to get my 3G-modem from Ericsson working in MeeGo?
Feb 03 23:50:30 <CosmoHill> Umeaboy: can you get it working with other linux distros?
Feb 03 23:51:28 <vgrade> wmarone, I have to get the joggler and pandaboard images uploaded then I will have another look at tegra
Feb 03 23:51:51 <Umeaboy> CosmoHill: Uuuuuuuuuuhm. It's missing a working driver, but yes.
Feb 03 23:52:08 <Umeaboy> The driver it comes with doesn't wake it up.
Feb 03 23:52:24 <wmarone> vgrade: ok, no hurry. I imagine those are a lot easier to get working.
Feb 03 23:53:11 <vgrade> wmarone, both images are booting to ux but are not in any shape or form proper adaptations yet
Feb 03 23:53:25 <wmarone> sure, but they boot :)
Feb 03 23:54:03 <vgrade> wmarone, yes.  MeeGo core boots to xterm if you disable udev on my tegra
Feb 03 23:54:30 <wmarone> disable udev, huh
Feb 03 23:55:05 <vgrade> wmarone, udev did not start due to CONFIG_SIGNALFD missing from the stock kernel, but it booted to xterm
Feb 03 23:55:13 <wmarone> see I had it booting to xterm before the errata bug
Feb 03 23:55:18 <wmarone> but it only worked once
Feb 03 23:55:55 <wmarone> weord, I'll try and squeeze a look-see in this evening
Feb 03 23:55:58 <wmarone> weird*
Feb 03 23:56:36 <vgrade> once I had the kernel source I enabled SIGNALFD then I think I see the same things you do, ie loads of stack traces and nothing in messages
Feb 03 23:56:44 <wmarone> ok
Feb 03 23:57:15 <TSCHAKeee2>  what are you guys using for tegra test hardware?
Feb 03 23:57:21 <vgrade> advent vega
Feb 03 23:57:24 <wmarone> viewsonic g-tablet
Feb 03 23:57:32 <vgrade> 230 GBP, a steal
Feb 03 23:59:16 <vgrade> I'm guessing that whatever udev is doing its allowing access to something which MeeGo is not handling
Feb 03 23:59:40 <TSCHAKeee2> wow
Feb 04 00:00:33 <wmarone> vgrade: I've gotten some stack traces out via some USB serial adaptors, but they're too slow to catch the data in a complete enough manner
Feb 04 00:01:04 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee2, the problem with the one I have is that its was bought for my son at christmas
Feb 04 00:01:18 <TSCHAKeee2> *nod*
Feb 04 00:01:38 <vgrade> make an ideal orbitor
Feb 04 00:01:39 <TSCHAKeee2> I need to find these tablets over here ... hmm...
Feb 04 00:01:50 <vgrade> here is?
Feb 04 00:01:56 <TSCHAKeee2> USA
Feb 04 00:02:06 <wmarone> TSCHAKeee2: Sears carries the g-tablet
Feb 04 00:02:14 <vgrade> the g-tablet is over there I think, wmarone?
Feb 04 00:02:21 <wmarone> mine was $430 with tax, see if you can get a discount
Feb 04 00:02:27 <TSCHAKeee2> and yup, i am looking at the tegra hardware as another target for both orbiter and media playback
Feb 04 00:02:41 <vgrade> *WARNING*
Feb 04 00:03:10 <vgrade> as usual graphics drivers are an issue
Feb 04 00:03:38 <vgrade> nVidia has a linux4tegra download, but its locked to xorg 1.6
Feb 04 00:03:48 * TSCHAKeee2 facepalms
Feb 04 00:03:50 <TSCHAKeee2> of course.
Feb 04 00:04:05 <vgrade> you must be used to that with GMA500 :)
Feb 04 00:04:10 <blizzow> has anyone put to rest the rumour that the N9 is canceled or confirmed it?
Feb 04 00:04:47 <vgrade> I can confirm the rumour
Feb 04 00:05:09 <TSCHAKeee2> ...
Feb 04 00:05:13 <TSCHAKeee2> go Nokia
Feb 04 00:05:14 <blizzow> bummer :(
Feb 04 00:05:17 <vgrade> sorry, confirm there is a rumour
Feb 04 00:06:15 <wmarone> haha
Feb 04 00:07:46 <vgrade> TSCHKeee2, EMGD is now building for latest meego now so it looks like the EMGD and MeeGo releases are in step, for now at least. http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/daily/non-oss/repos/ia32/packages/i586/
Feb 04 01:42:57 <TSCHAKeee2> do I have to submit a package upstream, to resolve "unresolvable" ?
Feb 04 01:43:16 <TSCHAKeee2> i've got a package needed by my main home project, built successfully as a sub project
Feb 04 01:43:27 <TSCHAKeee2> but the builder is still saying unresolvable, looking for the same package.
Feb 04 02:02:24 <neopsis> which one do you guys think better, raid server or desktop with raid 5 supported?
Feb 04 02:09:54 <wmarone> server with hotswap and RAID 6
Feb 04 02:32:31 <Lopi> Stskeeps: ping
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