**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 04 02:59:57 2011 Feb 04 06:05:25 morning Feb 04 06:22:18 Lopi: pong Feb 04 08:32:59 hi, is it possible to install meego sdk and use qemu on win7 64bit? Feb 04 08:35:51 I guess not.. Feb 04 08:52:36 hey Jaffa Feb 04 08:52:45 & X-Fade :) Feb 04 08:52:58 morn lbt Feb 04 08:53:02 and you :) Feb 04 08:53:03 hello lbt Feb 04 08:53:10 hey to all :) Feb 04 08:53:32 * lbt just reading arjan and ryan's response on packaging ml Feb 04 08:53:52 I think I'm going to reply via the surrounds proposal to TSG Feb 04 08:54:35 don't do that Feb 04 08:54:47 There are plenty of "Yet another Linux distro"s out there - MeeGo is different at it has a very different target: to be a compliant baseline for building product on. One way to do this is to have the COBS as a reference vendor and focus on efficient delivery processes Feb 04 08:54:53 hey Cope Feb 04 08:55:04 woo lbt Feb 04 08:56:07 products Feb 04 08:56:25 you know ... like the "big I" Feb 04 08:56:58 the codename that everyone knows and isn't allowed to say even though it's a codename for a publicly announced project Feb 04 08:57:09 that kind of product... Feb 04 08:57:18 yes, but i meant "building product on" Feb 04 08:57:18 :P Feb 04 08:57:20 products Feb 04 08:57:21 :P Feb 04 08:57:24 :P Feb 04 08:57:29 name the second? Feb 04 08:57:39 any other Feb 04 08:57:40 :P Feb 04 08:58:03 product implies nokia is only user of meego and ever will be, that it only exists to serve it's purpose Feb 04 08:58:04 you can't... meego sucks at having a coherent MeeGo -> Vendor process Feb 04 08:58:06 :P Feb 04 08:58:24 actually product is plural in this context Feb 04 08:58:38 but that's subtle grammar I grant you Feb 04 08:58:45 "building a product on" Feb 04 08:58:45 ? Feb 04 08:58:55 I left out the "a" Feb 04 08:59:06 sigh, english grammar.. Feb 04 08:59:07 :P Feb 04 08:59:13 yep.... sorry Feb 04 08:59:21 but I will change it Feb 04 08:59:23 * Stskeeps offers lbt some polish adjectives Feb 04 08:59:42 * lbt declines politely but firmly Feb 04 09:00:14 so Cope... is this meego friday for you? Feb 04 09:04:29 vgrade, you wanted to know the status of the arm builds? Feb 04 09:48:54 * CosmoHill pokes auke Feb 04 10:11:18 heya everyone Feb 04 10:11:19 lo wazd Feb 04 10:11:27 hey Feb 04 10:11:44 Stskeeps: could you grab auke's op sword since he shouldn't be sleeping with it Feb 04 10:12:00 CosmoHill: i'll let him do that himself Feb 04 10:12:17 fair enough Feb 04 10:19:01 Stskeeps, CosmoHill: o/ Feb 04 10:19:14 http://www.esecurityplanet.com/trends/article.php/3086051/Is-Linux-Really-More-Secure-Than-Windows.htm Feb 04 10:19:25 I'm just reading this and thought others might find it interesting Feb 04 10:20:09 Stskeeps: Now I know the reason why "The Astonishing Tribe" guy decided not to go to the MeeGo Conference :) TAT has been aquired by RIM :D Feb 04 10:20:25 wazd: yes, we realized that too :) Feb 04 10:21:02 Stskeeps: somehow missed that, it just popped out on engadget post about PlayBook Feb 04 10:22:31 wazd: I thought the same Feb 04 10:22:40 wazd: but they cancelled before the acquisition was announced Feb 04 10:22:53 having gone through an acquitision, they don't let this happen Feb 04 10:23:21 before the acquisition is approved by proper authorities, the two companies *must* operate separately Feb 04 10:25:25 thiago: oh Feb 04 10:25:57 even more so, before the announcement, most people inside each company don't know about the plans Feb 04 10:26:25 wazd: out of curiousity, have you tried to be playing with qml yet? Feb 04 10:26:36 i'd be really interested to see what magic you can acheive with it Feb 04 10:26:47 Stskeeps: you bet :) Feb 04 10:27:17 i mean, when an idiot like me can make something that might fool someone into believing it's a professional interface, my imagination doesn't stretch far enough to see what you'd be able to ;) Feb 04 10:27:22 Stskeeps: I'm having a "JavaScript for dumb designers" book right in front of me :D Feb 04 10:27:44 wazd: try the tooling in the new Creator 2.2 Feb 04 10:28:03 I especially like the "modification highlighting" Feb 04 10:28:13 if you make changes in the visual editor, the text editor shows where they are Feb 04 10:29:06 thiago: my creator is 2.0.1, I guess it's ancient :) Feb 04 10:29:18 i wonder how long time it would take to rebuild honeycomb UI in QML, given enough talent in graphics Feb 04 10:29:24 could make an excellent case study Feb 04 10:29:41 Stskeeps: It's possible to do virtually any ripoff Feb 04 10:30:10 Stskeeps: without mad skills Feb 04 10:30:31 wazd: positively jurassic :-) Feb 04 10:30:46 Stskeeps: if you take their files, probably a couple of days Feb 04 10:32:02 Stskeeps: but also it's possible to do things far beyond existing UI's Feb 04 10:32:12 Stskeeps: and that makes me crazy :D Feb 04 10:32:34 wazd: ah, making graphics people froth around the mouth is probably a good sign ;) Feb 04 10:38:10 Stskeeps: sort of :D Feb 04 10:42:07 Stskeeps: thp and I are currently making QML gPodder UI, hope it well be a nice showreel of basic QML capabilities Feb 04 10:42:54 nice Feb 04 10:48:16 Stskeeps: http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/1102/78/4300e87f1fda.jpg <- something like this :) Feb 04 10:48:55 wazd: nice Feb 04 10:51:50 * Stskeeps gets tired of hearing the 'meego is a joke in the tech industry' article in a bunch of media Feb 04 10:52:35 Stskeeps, americans predicting Nokia's death is nothing new Feb 04 10:53:05 then again, i guess a rebuttal to the pissing in pants to keep warm was to come at come point Feb 04 10:54:49 * Stskeeps goes back to thinking meego's actually ahead of the times instead of behind Feb 04 11:02:15 yes indeed Stskeeps keep at it, hopefully as the device count increases the PR might change, in some ways the OS is ahead of the (times) devices :( Feb 04 11:29:05 hello, Feb 04 11:29:17 hi Feb 04 11:30:02 bad news for meego ? nokia will use win7 phone and abandon meego ? Feb 04 11:30:06 hi CosmoHill Feb 04 11:30:15 niala: that's just rumours Feb 04 11:30:24 sorry it's french http://www.businessmobile.fr/actualites/nokia-sous-pression-pour-adopter-windows-phone-7-39758013.htm Feb 04 11:31:16 Stskeeps: ok, wait and see so ? Feb 04 11:31:25 as always Feb 04 11:31:37 i like to work on meego to make it better instead of bothering with stupid rumours :) Feb 04 11:31:42 like one year :) Feb 04 11:31:53 even without nokia, meego has a lot of ability, not only potential Feb 04 11:31:59 it's a lean and mean qt stack Feb 04 11:32:30 yes i like meego to for this reason, i m juste a little afraid to saw you work for windows !!! :) Feb 04 11:32:49 I very must doubt that Nokia will invest a lot of time and money developing a new product and then throw it away and buy someone else's product Feb 04 11:32:54 ah, i'm not in nokia if that's what you are implying Feb 04 11:33:00 Stskeeps: thanks for your answer Feb 04 11:33:48 Stskeeps: ok but all the other risk to migrate... Feb 04 11:33:55 ok i ll stop to troll :) Feb 04 11:34:23 niala, and don't bother =) no win for nokia Feb 04 11:34:38 no win7! ... Feb 04 11:35:52 :D :D :D Feb 04 11:36:02 taking win isn't win? Feb 04 11:36:03 :P Feb 04 11:37:06 I never understand anything about business Feb 04 11:39:05 for some reason all this reminds me that I need a new battery for my phone Feb 04 11:39:49 people want just to clic, they don't now why or how, but they want to clic Feb 04 11:40:19 click* ? Feb 04 11:40:24 CosmoHill: ways of spirit are strange sometimes :) Feb 04 11:40:32 manara's click? Feb 04 11:40:44 yes click sorry Feb 04 11:41:18 it's annoying having the low battery sound play in your ear whenever you make a call Feb 04 11:41:50 CosmoHill, that's familiar with n900 Feb 04 11:42:19 but not with android - your battery is over before you call =) Feb 04 11:42:32 :D Feb 04 11:42:35 does it go "omg I'm low on battery" but afterwards "actually my bad, I'm full" Feb 04 11:45:48 Nokia Ovi Suite just told me "I'm busy right now, ask again later" Feb 04 11:46:06 wtf Feb 04 11:46:10 :) Feb 04 11:46:37 mine told me there was a new update available but forgot to mention how ugly it looked Feb 04 11:52:52 XmlListModel works on meego from qml? Feb 04 11:53:04 should, i think Feb 04 11:57:06 yes it does Feb 04 11:57:57 hm... so it is strange. Parsing data with XmlListModel works on windows. But from meego ivi my list is always empty. But reading the same file with QDomDocument - ok Feb 04 12:01:23 going to make "debug" file. May be there will be something new with xml Feb 04 12:02:19 are there any plans to release images for qemu for Meego IVI??? Feb 04 13:10:29 I have a question about meego. There is package like rdsd-0.1-1.2.rpm. Does it mean that there's Radio RDS (digital data) is available on Meego? Anybody tried it? Feb 04 13:16:16 * CosmoHill looks at his assignment and thinks "I need a white board" Feb 04 14:00:39 hrm, anybody know of any work around coupling UI design layout with internationalization? specifically, there's an issue that arises when some translation exceeds the capacity of the designer's space for text. Feb 04 14:02:37 and they can't see that problem until they cycle through and probably are late in QA :) Feb 04 14:06:07 mdp, Qt layouts automatically fit sizes to text inside (depends on layout policy) Feb 04 14:08:34 Alex-Meego, yeah, I've got some designers that don't want adaptive components, but want to be warned somehow if their fixed size components will cause problems Feb 04 14:09:06 I suspect they may need to change their ways from their old HMI design Feb 04 14:09:42 in theory, one could create a tool (having all the translations done) to validate fixed size text components...but you have to have all the translations done Feb 04 14:10:01 want to be warned somehow? they will be warned by testers and programmers =) Feb 04 14:10:36 yes. I think that it simply should be tested. Feb 04 14:12:40 Alex-Meego, well, they want to validate their fixed layout versus the content :) Feb 04 14:13:07 I bring it up here in case I was missing something obvious...my preference is to force the issue of them giving up their fixed layout mentality Feb 04 14:14:17 this particular team has had the "luxury" in the past of assuming one screen layout / resolution and using it for 10+ years..so they just design for that...so they're stuck in that thinking Feb 04 14:14:20 also I am missing something =) Feb 04 14:15:06 you may calculate text width for Painter and compare it with widget Feb 04 14:15:37 but it not so obvious Feb 04 14:15:41 text width varies based on translation though Feb 04 14:15:47 yes Feb 04 14:16:23 to make some system to calculate text width before (on while) passing text to widget Feb 04 14:16:59 right, ok Feb 04 14:17:23 or not with widget but with your inner array of Sizes - you already know them Feb 04 14:17:44 right Feb 04 14:17:58 my greetings to your desiners =) Feb 04 14:18:30 *designers Feb 04 14:18:30 I do see the big picture issue they have...you need to know your worst case text width (whatever glyph set and translation it is) in order to be sure your screen layout is usable Feb 04 14:18:55 any automagic adaptation may produce undesirable "designer" results :) Feb 04 14:20:24 Alex-Meego, I'm not sure I can even convey a greeting to the designers...they don't communicate the same way :) Feb 04 14:20:26 design without layouts or anchors is always "undesirable" =) Feb 04 14:21:29 that's what I'm going to try to push as I believe it's the case. always an uphill battle with an old corporate design group :( Feb 04 14:21:43 have you thought about making design in qml? Feb 04 14:21:44 thx for the help Feb 04 14:21:55 this is what I'm introducing them to Feb 04 14:22:05 I use it in my hacking so I'm familiar Feb 04 14:22:58 we are selecting an HMI framework for a product...and although it's OSS-based I have to compare Qt to several commercial options..such as TAT Cascades Feb 04 14:23:28 one of the groups with input on reqmts is the design team :) Feb 04 14:24:29 so the matrix has all the usual stuff about Qt Designer, QML, and the declarative UI model covered for Qt. Feb 04 14:25:34 AFAIK, nobody else has any special translation validation tools like this so it probably doesn't matter...but they sure liked to talk about the problem for 1+ hours Feb 04 14:35:03 thiago: still around? :) Feb 04 14:36:40 wazd: yep Feb 04 14:37:05 thiago: where can I get that fancy new Qt creator? :) Feb 04 14:37:41 wazd: I get the sources and compile. Feb 04 14:38:21 thiago: aw :) Feb 04 14:38:45 thiago: rude joke on me :D Feb 04 14:39:38 thiago, is there a handy link with new features for the designer tool included in 2.2? Feb 04 14:40:34 wazd: the new Qt SDK 1.1 beta should have it Feb 04 14:41:01 mdp: I don't know. Feb 04 14:41:26 ok, use the source Feb 04 14:55:07 slaine: .o/ Feb 04 14:55:18 Howdy Feb 04 15:01:44 * CosmoHill stabs MSDN-AA for not being a decent service Feb 04 15:10:26 * thiago needs a kernel developer to talk to Feb 04 15:10:36 where's arjan when you need him? Feb 04 15:19:19 thiago, what do you need? Feb 04 15:19:53 hena: I need a new syscall :-) Feb 04 15:20:19 ok, not a big thing in general Feb 04 15:20:21 I need a pidfd or waitfd Feb 04 15:20:29 signalfd is useless for libraries Feb 04 15:20:36 getting it into linus tree is not gonna happen ;) Feb 04 15:20:45 why not? Feb 04 15:20:58 using SIGCHLD for notification of child processes dying is pre-historic Feb 04 15:21:02 syscall policy is really anal Feb 04 15:21:10 we need something more modern, thread-safe, etc. Feb 04 15:21:17 I see new syscalls in every release Feb 04 15:21:48 i wonder if greg let's stuff go past more easily ;) Feb 04 15:22:24 not even if I have a very good reason for this? Feb 04 15:22:30 but yeah, there's changes often, but it really has to be something to get thru Feb 04 15:44:16 to those who are interested in such things, there's a new draft of the compliance spec on the wiki Feb 04 15:44:59 mwichmann: cool Feb 04 16:00:33 a link mwichmann ? Feb 04 16:02:03 niala: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance#Specification Feb 04 16:03:00 CosmoHill: thank you darling Feb 04 16:03:57 you're welcome dear Feb 04 16:05:38 CosmoHill: if i remember right, you have a minimal .spe somewhere ? Feb 04 16:08:34 oui, a moment Feb 04 16:08:50 http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/template.spec Feb 04 16:09:18 I might have a look at the spec and try and write a better one Feb 04 16:09:28 "oui" reminds me, I have to check if there is some french-courses beginning soon Feb 04 16:09:31 or I might download a meego .src.rpm and blank it's spec file Feb 04 16:12:41 I need to learn some french in 3 months Feb 04 16:13:00 niala: it should be noted that my .spec files are questionable at best Feb 04 16:14:13 having said that I've put them all together in a distro and they've been running for 2 years :) Feb 04 16:17:02 yes ./configure ./makee thats all Feb 04 16:18:13 need to say to privoxy.rpm that's his config file is in /etc Feb 04 16:18:28 feel free to have a look at the other spec fles in there Feb 04 16:21:00 Stskeeps: kudos, I downloaded binutils.src.rpm from meego and the .spec file looks scary Feb 04 16:21:02 pfff i don't remember pass for build.meego Feb 04 16:21:43 it's the same as meego.com Feb 04 16:22:48 niala: http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/clamav-4.spec << lastest spec file Feb 04 16:23:57 CosmoHill: do you use build.meego ? Feb 04 16:24:03 nope Feb 04 16:24:43 oh we need your rpm :) Feb 04 16:25:15 I think I'd need to clean my up a lot before it would be compliant / up to scratch Feb 04 16:25:29 actually I did try compiling that spec file and it failed with something about debug Feb 04 16:26:05 do a cluster-meego.rpm Feb 04 16:26:19 I have openmpi.rpm somewhere Feb 04 16:26:51 anyone around to help me with submitting a package upstream from OBS? Feb 04 16:27:44 TSCHAKeee2: how? Feb 04 16:27:58 Hello! I've put the meego image on an usb stick using dd, but it won't boot. I've tried the same stick using slackware 13.1 and archlinux images, they both boot fine. What do I need to get the meego image booting? Feb 04 16:28:04 (this is on an eeepc) Feb 04 16:28:32 I need to figure out what "project" to submit these to... basically, I've got a whole set of packages that are dependencies for my big package Feb 04 16:28:33 Coke: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Feb 04 16:29:00 Venemo: that doesn't tell me why it won't boot. Feb 04 16:29:01 and I can't get my dependencies to resolve Feb 04 16:29:30 Coke: did you follow the instructions? Feb 04 16:29:30 even though they are part of my project as a subproject..so i am wondering if i have to submit my individual dependencies upstream Feb 04 16:29:32 TSCHAKeee2: what package? Feb 04 16:29:38 Venemo: yeah. Feb 04 16:30:02 Venemo: i've tried a few other images for other distros, they all boot fine. Feb 04 16:30:18 niala: SDL_ttf, sge, mysql (client) Feb 04 16:30:18 oh bugger, I can't find my own FAW Feb 04 16:30:21 Coke: hmm. maybe the image you downloaded is corrupted? Feb 04 16:30:21 FAQ* Feb 04 16:30:26 Coke: I'm just guessing Feb 04 16:30:28 Venemo: took it down twice Feb 04 16:30:35 Venemo: can I check with an md5 somewhere? Feb 04 16:30:54 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Distribution_Frequently_Asked_Questions Feb 04 16:31:39 Coke: search for md5 on http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-netbooks Feb 04 16:32:13 Ah. It's the same. Feb 04 16:32:31 sorry, empathy crashed. Feb 04 16:34:14 crash often i use pigdin now, sorry for integration with people panel :( Feb 04 16:34:14 you know "meego" is a distro right, how would you describe the rest of it Feb 04 16:34:32 Venemo: mounting the image it says it's mounted as iso9660 Feb 04 16:34:46 TSCHAKeee2: i think you will have more response in mailing list, Feb 04 16:34:52 niala: it's okay. Feb 04 16:34:56 niala: noted. Feb 04 16:37:49 Is meego booting using lilo or grub? Feb 04 16:38:06 (from the usb image) Feb 04 16:38:17 the livecd uses sysimg or something Feb 04 16:38:43 syslinux yeah, but its not the bootloader Feb 04 16:39:51 Does anyone here knows how to set the screen resolution of the Meego handset? Feb 04 16:40:21 I'm using the beagleboard. I set the boot to start with the 1024x768 and the /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/N900.conf to the same resolution, but it does not worked as I expected Feb 04 16:40:31 Is there an easy way to do this? Feb 04 16:40:35 Coke: syslinux is a boot loader Feb 04 16:40:47 hj: there might be something on the wiki about it Feb 04 16:41:22 meego boot on extlinux isn't it ? Feb 04 16:41:33 once installed is uses grub Feb 04 16:42:03 CosmoHill: y youre right Feb 04 16:42:18 But syslinux won't boot for some reason Feb 04 16:42:32 do you get the boot loader menu pop up at all? Feb 04 16:42:39 no Feb 04 16:42:54 the lappy doesn't find a bootable device. Feb 04 16:43:01 have you booted other distos from USB? Feb 04 16:43:08 i tried with slackware (extlinux) and archlinux (syslinux) Feb 04 16:43:20 both work fine Feb 04 16:43:28 have you checked the md5sum of the meego image? Feb 04 16:43:30 /boot/grub is empty only a splash.xpm.tgz Feb 04 16:43:31 yes. Feb 04 16:44:29 niala: if it didn't have grub there wouldn't be /boot/grub at all :) Feb 04 16:44:37 and win and other Os are add on /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Feb 04 16:45:08 I've seen blogs and screenshots of meego on the eeepc so some do get it working Feb 04 16:45:10 CosmoHill: I've being looking for it for 3 days. The solutions that I found does not work so good. Feb 04 16:45:24 Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place Feb 04 16:45:55 CosmoHill: Do you know where exactly I can found it in the Wiki Feb 04 16:46:13 I mean, in what part of wiki Feb 04 16:46:18 have you tried a different USB stick / SD card? Feb 04 16:46:24 yes Feb 04 16:46:51 CosmoHill: no, since it works with slack and arch. but im trying it now Feb 04 16:47:35 ahh you're both confusing me Feb 04 16:47:52 How can I clarify? :) Feb 04 16:47:55 Coke: does you eeePC have an Celeron or Atom processor? Feb 04 16:48:01 * Coke casts clarity on CosmoHill Feb 04 16:48:05 CosmoHill: atom Feb 04 16:48:19 awesome, then meego will work Feb 04 16:48:22 synergys Feb 04 16:48:25 oups :) Feb 04 16:48:31 CosmoHill: sweet. how do I get it to boot? Feb 04 16:49:09 no idea Feb 04 16:49:19 I just stuck the DVD in the drive but you don't have one Feb 04 16:49:20 I'm gonna try the second usb stick here. its a different vendor too Feb 04 16:49:55 dee vee dee? as in the obsolete optical media? :) Feb 04 16:50:34 Nope. The other USB stick did not work either. Feb 04 16:50:42 well i remember amstrad cpc464 with tape....... Feb 04 16:51:31 Guess this is a sign that I should be social on a friday night rather than tinker with the computer. Feb 04 16:52:25 arfoll, yes, a joggler in control of XBMC on a pandaboard with big tv would make a great demo Feb 04 16:53:08 vgrade-nexus, yes that would be very nice - unfortunately i have no pandaboard hardware :-( Feb 04 16:53:37 * TSCHAKeee2 will have Joggler running LinuxMCE Orbiter very soon Feb 04 16:53:40 Coke: yes, you should sod off and pull Feb 04 16:53:40 :p Feb 04 16:53:47 CosmoHill: gonna try Debian's live system now Feb 04 16:53:53 CosmoHill: if it works, where can I file a bug? Feb 04 16:53:58 I was actually thinking of going one further, running XBMC on the joggler, and writing a player that is actually just a JSON querier that connects to the pandaboard Feb 04 16:54:03 bugs.meego.com Feb 04 16:54:04 or, is meego even supposed to work on an eeepc? i dont know the rules. Feb 04 16:54:20 make sure you specific you exact model Feb 04 16:54:26 * TSCHAKeee2 rolls his eyes at the sheer hackery Feb 04 16:54:34 but there is still the problem that the EMGD drivers are still too unstable. Although is there any chance the new drivers may include GLES2? Feb 04 16:54:44 CosmoHill: man. i dont remember. :) Feb 04 16:54:59 CosmoHill: does meego work on an i7? Feb 04 16:54:59 arfoll: you should look at LinuxMCE sometime...we have a lot of plumbing for what you're trying to do, already there as standard operating procedure. ;) Feb 04 16:55:01 arfol, have you seen the 1812 drivers Feb 04 16:55:01 I'd image you'd read it since it's intfront of you Feb 04 16:55:23 Coke: http://wiki.meego.com/FAQ Feb 04 16:55:29 vgrade-nexus, don't know do you have a joggler image with them on? Feb 04 16:55:39 oh, asus eeepc S101 Feb 04 16:55:50 said on the bottom Feb 04 16:55:53 Coke: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Feb 04 16:56:04 Coke: yes s101 it s me :) Feb 04 16:56:13 it should work Feb 04 16:56:18 TSCHAKeee2, looks interesting i have to read :-) Feb 04 16:56:22 niala: u running 1.1? Feb 04 16:56:30 out of box Coke yes I confirm Feb 04 16:56:42 arfoll: it's the most advanced smart home platform in existance. ;) Feb 04 16:57:02 arfoll, yes, i'll be uploading the image this weekend, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/daily/non-oss/repos/ia32/packages/i586/emgd-bin-1812-1.1.i586.rpm, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade Feb 04 16:57:26 vgrade-nexus, great i'll be waiting for it ;-) Feb 04 16:57:39 does it provide GLES? Feb 04 16:57:53 niala: did u install any firmware on your asus? Feb 04 16:57:55 arfoll, yes Feb 04 16:58:00 TSCHAKeee2, is there a 10ft UI? And is the playback implemented with gstreamer? Feb 04 16:58:03 arfoll: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829 <-- demo video. old, but still apropos. Feb 04 16:58:06 So, arch and slack boots, debian and meego does not. Feb 04 16:58:12 vgrade-nexus, awesome i'll have to play then :-) Feb 04 16:58:21 Coke: you mean bios update? no Feb 04 16:58:36 arfoll: we have a massively distributed UI called orbiter, runs on-screen, and on lots of off-screen devices Feb 04 16:58:54 arfoll: playback is much more abstracted than that. You don't understand yet.. that's okay ;) Feb 04 16:58:56 vgrade-nexus: you were right, I disabled signalfd and it came right up Feb 04 16:59:08 TSCHAKeee2, yes but is your backend gstreamer based? Feb 04 16:59:20 wmarone, :) Feb 04 16:59:28 niala: very weird Feb 04 16:59:32 arfoll: no, we provide xine and mplayer devices... nothing stopping anyone from doing a gstreamer player though Feb 04 16:59:38 I'm working with one of the Android community kernels to get WiFi going Feb 04 16:59:44 TSCHAKeee2, :-( Feb 04 16:59:47 arfoll: to our system, software players and hardware players are interchangeable Feb 04 17:00:08 arfoll: we offer a great deal of flexibility that doesn't exist elsewhere Feb 04 17:00:17 arfoll: stop thinking so narrowly. Feb 04 17:00:21 ;) Feb 04 17:00:35 * CosmoHill gets an email Feb 04 17:00:37 arfoll: this isn't some duct taped together system Feb 04 17:00:41 TSCHAKeee2, lol i'm still watching Feb 04 17:00:50 "Hi, we are looking for 1000 students to program in java and .net DELETE" Feb 04 17:01:39 Coke: what is your problem in fact ? Feb 04 17:02:14 TSCHAKeee2, the UI is not very pretty, tbh - but the features are very interesting Feb 04 17:02:23 arfoll: we know. Feb 04 17:02:28 niala: the meego image wont boot Feb 04 17:03:17 TSCHAKeee2: all those things you mention are only a benefit to users Feb 04 17:03:31 usb stick is the problem, meego work on live on eeepc s101 Feb 04 17:03:43 niala: tried a different Feb 04 17:03:47 niala: slack and arch both work on that stick Feb 04 17:03:47 Coke: we provide a whole set of tools to quickly develop new devices for the system Feb 04 17:03:55 TSCHAKeee2: the industry wants lock down and control Feb 04 17:04:04 TSCHAKeee2: most popular phone is the most locked down. users dont care. Feb 04 17:04:17 TSCHAKeee2, i'm not sure i like the license though ;-) Feb 04 17:04:32 niala: gonna see if ubuntu live boots or not Feb 04 17:04:58 Coke: I honestly don't give a fuck. Feb 04 17:05:07 Coke: We are designing this system for people who want it. Feb 04 17:05:17 Coke: and me being a researcher, this is a platform for long term research Feb 04 17:05:17 TSCHAKeee2: yeah. im one of those people. Feb 04 17:05:41 Coke: i have already have issue with usb-stick when i write unbutu and after meego on same key. I have used windows to erase completly usb stick. I don't no why Feb 04 17:05:53 niala: you use dd? Feb 04 17:06:07 Coke: yes dd Feb 04 17:06:07 dd overwrites everything Feb 04 17:06:33 yes, i know.... sometines they are gremlins ........ Feb 04 17:06:37 Hmmm. Feb 04 17:07:00 Odd. Arch and slack works, they use extlinux, ubuntu debian and meego does not boot they use syslinux and isolinux Feb 04 17:07:06 wmarone, do you have kb and mouse control in x/xterm? Feb 04 17:07:48 ok thanks for your help Feb 04 17:07:54 im gonna reboot and see if meego works on this box Feb 04 17:08:04 vgrade-nexus: no, it's unresponsive once X starts Feb 04 17:08:33 wmarone, same here, I guess its because udev has not run due to the lack of signalfd Feb 04 17:09:08 wmarone, we need to find out what signalfd allows Feb 04 17:09:23 which is causing the traces Feb 04 17:09:27 I cut out all the Android build options, might try re-enabling signalfd Feb 04 17:10:37 or what does udev allow access to, which causes MeeGo to trace Feb 04 17:12:42 TSCHAKeee2, thanks for the video, i'm going to look into it, however what are the binariy parts of the project? Feb 04 17:13:26 nothing on our end. most of the binary blobs are device drivers for stuff like the nvidia GPU, etc. Feb 04 17:14:45 and a few small bits for the USB UIRT, Tira, and IRTrans transcievers (because they contain built in PRONTO translation code.) Feb 04 17:15:35 ok, cheers Feb 04 17:16:45 Meego boots on my clevo stylenot. :) Feb 04 17:16:53 can someone explain how do i restore my USB stick to normal, after byte-copying meego to it with Win32DiskImager ? Feb 04 17:17:09 it shows 832MB capacity though it's 16GB... Feb 04 17:17:14 so it's a night home with the lappy Feb 04 17:17:41 i dont like connman Feb 04 17:21:18 Coke: usb stick boot on anotherlaptop and no on s101... very strange.. try escape key when you turn ons101 Feb 04 17:34:13 CosmoHill: reading fc last ? Feb 04 17:35:27 in 2 hours Feb 04 17:36:19 they are last if they loose? i m right ? Feb 04 17:36:36 ? Feb 04 17:37:00 in 2 hours? Feb 04 17:37:42