**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 05 02:59:57 2011 Feb 05 03:47:34 Anyone going to SCALE at the end of the month? Let's have a MeeGon meeting. Feb 05 08:32:43 hello all :) Feb 05 08:41:09 hello wazd Feb 05 09:07:22 Hello. How can I share folders in Meego? Feb 05 09:12:33 I become this error: net usershare: usershares are currently disabled.What can I do? Feb 05 09:24:42 hi, I'm trying to instell meego sdk for ubuntu 10.10 but keyserver timeouts. Any tips how to fix it? Feb 05 09:36:11 got it work with different keyserver Feb 05 09:36:38 documentation should be fixed if listed keyserver does not work Feb 05 09:36:51 or list alternative keyservers Feb 05 10:58:51 oh crap... no more test with meego and ipad clone :/ damn damn... i burn CPU... Feb 05 10:59:11 Matan[M]: :( Feb 05 10:59:21 what is the Qt Creator #ifdef for Meego? Feb 05 10:59:54 Yo! MeeGo Feb 05 11:00:01 lots of meegoers here at FOSDEM :D Feb 05 11:04:35 waiting for maemo autobuilder is like having a baby. Feb 05 11:05:13 ah, that may be why I can't find Stskeeps? Feb 05 11:05:25 lardman, yes, he is here. Feb 05 11:05:33 I saw him and his lovely wife last night in the bar Feb 05 11:05:54 can you ask him about OpenCL and whether Ti would be amenable to releasing some user-space binaries for us? Feb 05 11:06:05 :) Feb 05 11:06:15 I'll catch him next week anyway Feb 05 11:06:31 lardman, hrm? Feb 05 11:06:36 opencl is around already isn't it? Feb 05 11:06:39 lcukx200: speaking of babies, we have some news :) Feb 05 11:06:57 lcukx200: not sure I've seen any userspace stuff for the N900 Feb 05 11:07:01 oooh you been kissing Holly under the mistletoe? Feb 05 11:07:12 I think it probably started that way Feb 05 11:07:21 anyway due Aug 14 or thereabouts Feb 05 11:07:32 :D congratulations Feb 05 11:07:37 thanks :) Feb 05 11:08:06 that's later than Tracy with hers :) Feb 05 11:09:22 she's also expecting? Feb 05 11:09:51 :) Feb 05 11:10:02 congrats to you too then Feb 05 11:10:13 :D Feb 05 11:10:21 lardman, lcukx200: congrats to both of you :) Feb 05 11:10:22 we shall have to let the ladies chat about babies Feb 05 11:10:45 indeed :) Feb 05 11:12:04 lardman, blame the snow Feb 05 11:12:13 * lardman curses ImgTech for not sending him emails Feb 05 11:12:17 lcukx200: lol Feb 05 11:13:41 * lcukx200 paces around the Maemo autobuilder delivery room Feb 05 11:13:53 lol Feb 05 11:14:08 awesome Feb 05 11:14:11 at least the gory details are hidden a long way away Feb 05 11:14:14 thats new lib on diablo :) Feb 05 11:14:48 who said people did not push to older devices anymore?! Feb 05 11:16:25 took you a couple of gos though ;) Feb 05 11:16:55 so will we be seeing a complete update for Fremantle (and indeed Meego#) too? Feb 05 11:18:19 lardman, yeah it was sent to both queues Feb 05 11:19:02 and the UI too? Feb 05 11:19:03 yes, its passed for fremantle too Feb 05 11:19:16 that was the lib wasn't it? Feb 05 11:19:17 I am just filling in the autobuilder stuff Feb 05 11:19:20 yeah Feb 05 11:19:22 cool :) Feb 05 11:20:06 argh, bloody Img Tech, seems it is their fault, I've clicked the "send my password reminder" button, no email; registered twice more with different email addresses, no email Feb 05 11:20:13 diablo build queue Feb 05 11:20:14 Application submitted Feb 05 11:20:14 liqbook_0.1.0 Feb 05 11:20:25 likewise, fremantle Feb 05 11:20:28 the bets are on, will it build.... Feb 05 11:20:28 I am going for a smoke. Feb 05 11:21:32 it should Feb 05 11:22:07 \o/ Feb 05 11:22:11 diablo at least Feb 05 11:27:03 looks like I am cloning again Feb 05 11:27:07 and I am not even in my house Feb 05 11:28:54 yay, mini bt kb just turned up in the post Feb 05 11:29:07 and only £15 Feb 05 11:34:54 where did you get it from? Feb 05 11:47:12 who's @ fosdem ?? dlp9f / Jan-Simon is trying to find people :) Feb 05 11:47:27 lcukx200: you're there? Feb 05 12:04:35 lbt: he said he was earlier Feb 05 12:05:04 want an old-school mobile # for him? Feb 05 12:05:59 lardman: thanks - he's there, I'm not. Just being a proxy :) Feb 05 12:07:37 ah ok :) Feb 05 12:12:09 lbt: Can you tell Jan-Simon that I'm _not_ there, I've emailed him but one doesn't always check email at a conference Feb 05 12:13:49 jeremiah: will do Feb 05 12:14:12 * dm8tbr waves from fosdem Feb 05 12:14:46 hey dm8tbr o/ did you get that Jan Simon is looking for the meego guys Feb 05 12:15:59 lbt: hm I was on a flight from tampere/helsinki yesterday with a bunch of them. haven't met them here though Feb 05 12:17:00 OK ... np Feb 05 12:19:00 I'd expect them in the embedded room. also look for meegofi summit tshirts Feb 05 12:20:26 lbt: btw- need something from here? I'm going back to HEL sunday evening and will be there for 2 days Feb 05 12:21:54 well, I'm in Hel on mon/tue anyway ... are you at Nokia ? Feb 05 12:22:53 we could at the very least get a coffee @ Ruoholati Feb 05 12:24:10 dm8tbr: but .. yeah - if there's any cool swag ... I still need a Debian T-shirt for the MeeGo SF conference ;) Feb 05 12:29:29 http://summit.meegonetwork.fi/ Feb 05 12:29:48 i accidentally it. Feb 05 12:30:44 * thiago_home was invited to speak there but is now reconsidering Feb 05 12:37:23 lbt: I'll see what they have. I'll bee at tieto in haaga, but Aard wanted to meet with me anyway and also my hotel is next to esplanaadi Feb 05 12:38:28 OK - I'm busy monday night but hoping to get out with a few guys from OTS and our team on tue for a drink/food Feb 05 12:38:49 lbt: I was thinking about taking dm8tbr to monday-evening-dinner, if we manage to Feb 05 12:41:03 Aard: I'm pretty sure I have a meeting...will know more on monday - otherwise would be nice to do that Feb 05 12:42:04 thiago_home: why are you reconsidering? We need you there :) Feb 05 12:46:51 matrixx: the date Feb 05 12:46:57 matrixx: it's the weekend before Easter Feb 05 12:47:23 thiago_home: oh :( Feb 05 12:48:19 I think no one remembered Easter when deciding the date :/ Feb 05 12:48:37 * matrixx hopes thiago_home can still make it Feb 05 12:49:01 matrixx: what's so bad about weekend before easter? Feb 05 12:49:23 Aard: I think some people are going to see their families Feb 05 12:49:37 I didn't think that, cause we don't have any traditions Feb 05 12:50:52 oh. I'm usually grateful for events which are _at_ easter ;) Feb 05 12:53:18 lbt: Cheers. :-) Feb 05 12:56:32 hmm, it seems really seems to be weekend week before easter, shouldn't matter much Feb 05 13:08:04 Venemo, did you by chance check if liqbook is up on -devel? Feb 05 13:15:41 lbt, yes I am here Feb 05 13:19:28 lcukx200: atm I'm tethering the N900 and I can't really check stuff on it :( Feb 05 14:00:20 :) Feb 05 14:01:21 damn, twitter won't reload, can anyone check how many rt's my latest has? twitter.com/lcuk Feb 05 14:01:23 lcukn900: having fun over there? Feb 05 14:01:44 yes cosmo Feb 05 14:02:12 but my ideapad does not work outside! its too cold to touch the screen. my n900 is happy Feb 05 14:02:37 oh cripes, my clones are cloning Feb 05 14:07:22 lardman, where would be best for us to meetup? London you think yes? Feb 05 14:08:49 probably the easiest yeah - you thinking of the Meego/Maemo meetup Feb 05 14:10:49 yeah lardman Feb 05 14:11:34 afternoon guys, count me in for a london meet Feb 05 14:11:38 theres a provisional date of 15feb marked on calendar to meetup with noobmonkey and kathy, perhaps we can combine it Feb 05 14:13:37 during the week? Feb 05 14:13:52 no beer on weeknights? Feb 05 14:14:34 just that it takes 1.5h+ to get there, so won't make it very early, or will have to pay quite a bit of money to travel at peak time Feb 05 14:14:49 roger. ask them and find out Feb 05 14:15:29 its my birthday the following Sunday (20th) Feb 05 14:16:45 Happy Birthday in advance! :) Feb 05 14:17:35 \o/ Feb 05 14:17:47 loads and loads of n900s here. Feb 05 14:18:10 seeing them everywhere Feb 05 14:18:39 lardman take a peek at the twitter link for me please, i cannot see wed Feb 05 14:18:41 web Feb 05 14:19:39 what are you after there? Feb 05 14:20:47 did the post about google get up and has it been rt'ed? Feb 05 14:21:32 no smiles at google? Feb 05 14:21:34 yeah Feb 05 14:22:13 awesome stuff ! did you try it? Feb 05 14:22:34 cos i noticed it recently and giggled Feb 05 14:23:13 doesn't seem to do anything Feb 05 14:23:23 http://www.google.co.uk/#q=:) Feb 05 14:23:25 ? Feb 05 14:23:50 lardman, yeah hence: no smiles at google Feb 05 14:24:09 ah, co.uk does nothing (blank page) and .com says it didn't match docs Feb 05 15:00:55 morning Feb 05 15:25:35 i can't get text to properly display in meegotouch-controlpanel (duicontrolpanel). I suspect its a style issue. Anybody know how to track down what's happening? Feb 05 15:26:56 What I'm seeing: No text, anywhere... except that when I return from a category to the main view... I will briefly see something like "!! Connections" in white... but then it it disappears. Feb 05 16:07:15 O2 Joggler users, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade, now with full image download link Feb 05 16:09:30 what is Joggler? Feb 05 16:14:53 vgrade: awesome Feb 05 16:15:31 to me it still seems stupid to build a linux device with a GMA500 chipset and to then make the UI with Adobe Flash Feb 05 16:46:25 vgrde does the joggler require anything other thn usb stick copy? Feb 05 16:56:11 vgrade: mmm Feb 05 16:56:35 lbt: they have plenty of t-shirts. any preferences? size? colour? poloshirt? Feb 05 16:57:12 dm8tbr: cool ... Medium Feb 05 16:57:25 any pics? Feb 05 16:57:41 I can go and snap one :) Feb 05 16:57:43 brb Feb 05 16:58:03 hehe - thanks Feb 05 16:59:48 dm8tbr are you fosdemming? Feb 05 17:01:48 lbt, have you read liqbook yet? :) Feb 05 17:12:47 lcukn900, no, just the stick Feb 05 17:14:22 lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10011 http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10010 and probably in a few seconds http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10012 Feb 05 17:15:19 lbt: 15ā‚¬ or 25ā‚¬ if you want a regular plus a lenny t-shirt Feb 05 17:16:17 dunno which size the lenny's are as they only had 3 left Feb 05 17:17:33 the blue one with the 'space' theme looks good Feb 05 17:18:27 is the lenny one the black one ? Feb 05 17:20:36 vgrade (and dm8tbr) ... I'm looking at http://bug10738.openaos.org/ and thinking about tying it to MeeGo community "Team" areas Feb 05 17:20:39 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Feb 05 17:21:29 lbt, "Team" areas ? Feb 05 17:21:49 yeah ... see my recent blog post and the last CO meeting Feb 05 17:22:08 as in "how on earth do we structure community work" Feb 05 17:22:19 lbt: it's the darker blue Feb 05 17:22:34 dm8tbr: as long as it has stars on it :) Feb 05 17:22:45 lbt ah yes, the bug wasa raised after some discussions on #meego-arm Feb 05 17:22:57 lbt: the stars is regular. the lenny doesn't. do you want both? Feb 05 17:23:40 dm8tbr: yeah :) Feb 05 17:23:41 lbt, we needed a 'place' to dump images just like the Joggler one but there was no place for partial adaptations Feb 05 17:24:23 lbt, no place for an adaptation to mature to an official meego.com build Feb 05 17:24:49 vgrade: yep... hence the need for policy statements IMHO Feb 05 17:25:52 I personally have no problem with MeeGo.com providing non-compliant stuff as long as it's labelled as such Feb 05 17:26:13 especially during development Feb 05 17:27:06 lbt, I agree, and supported bug 10738 Feb 05 17:27:09 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Feb 05 17:27:10 eg the joggler adaptation aims to be 100% meego compliant.... but it's likely to be a looooong time in 'beta' until we get the hardware drivers from..... Intel Feb 05 17:27:34 lbt, the GMA500 drivers are already at meego.com Feb 05 17:27:53 lbt and upto date with meego xorg version Feb 05 17:27:59 AFAIUI they weren't meego1.2 compatible? Feb 05 17:28:18 damn ... that would have been a useful test case :) Feb 05 17:29:00 dm8tbr: would like download stats for http://bug10738.openaos.org at some point - can you see if it's being monitored? Feb 05 17:31:35 vgrade: when you have time can you read: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html there's a bit at the bottom called Team areas... and I wonder if HW adaptation makes a good team. Want to help propose something Feb 05 17:31:58 lbt, one point which is missed in the discussion is that having a downloadable partial adaptation image may drive interest in Meego to people who may not initially want the steep learning curve of MIC2 image building Feb 05 17:32:43 vgrade: yep... heck... *I* am about to dl the image ;) Feb 05 17:32:51 lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10015 http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10014 - the lenny is only available in large Feb 05 17:33:14 dm8tbr: nah ... I'm not that big Feb 05 17:33:32 what about the black ones : http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10012 Feb 05 17:33:32 ok, just the stary one then. that will be 15. Feb 05 17:33:51 yes, let me snap them Feb 05 17:33:57 * lbt likes the whol personal shopper via irc thing... Feb 05 17:36:00 lbt, Stskeeps and dm8tbr have a similar project as one of the task forces, see http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/LBE_HW_Adaptations Feb 05 17:36:42 vgrade: hint, that's my name on that TF page ;) Feb 05 17:36:53 err Feb 05 17:37:03 disregard, I'm confused by local conversations Feb 05 17:37:19 yeah ... haggle for my clothing! Feb 05 17:37:27 lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10016 Feb 05 17:37:57 apt-get install :) Feb 05 17:38:32 the polo is 25, the left and right is front and back of the same shirt Feb 05 17:38:45 apt-get install anarchy it says Feb 05 17:39:00 awww .. Feb 05 17:39:09 not sure I want the anarchy... Feb 05 17:39:13 I'll get a polo Feb 05 17:39:16 cheers Feb 05 17:39:17 acttually Feb 05 17:39:22 there is one without Feb 05 17:39:25 let me check for M Feb 05 17:39:38 OK - I'm not part of the OSS==Anarchy crowd :) Feb 05 17:40:17 You're part of the establishment :) Feb 05 17:40:29 yeah, one of them has the swirl and on the back 'debian/rules' Feb 05 17:40:39 dm8tbr: love that one ! Feb 05 17:41:00 lbt: so both or the black one? Feb 05 17:41:04 both Feb 05 17:41:07 ok Feb 05 17:41:24 30eur Feb 05 17:41:25 cheers ... I owe you an image download server on meego.com Feb 05 17:41:28 aswell Feb 05 17:41:33 :) Feb 05 17:42:15 vgrade: would be good to see a solid proposal to manage torrents of images too Feb 05 17:42:29 lbt: they alsso have the tie Feb 05 17:42:41 a tie.... :) Feb 05 17:42:46 sometimes you have to... Feb 05 17:42:48 go on :) Feb 05 17:42:50 in that debian tart Feb 05 17:43:12 oh and laptop stickers, 1,5eur Feb 05 17:43:43 and a mini acer I think I see Feb 05 17:44:21 wife veto'ed the tie :( Feb 05 17:44:58 15cm swirl for the laptop 1,5ā‚¬ Feb 05 17:45:04 god help me... she saw the kilt! Feb 05 17:45:31 want it? :) Feb 05 17:45:32 4 of the swirl stickers ... Feb 05 17:45:39 please no! Feb 05 17:46:55 but it spells debian in morse code in the pattern! ;) Feb 05 17:47:55 can you tell I'm waiting for the joggler image to download? Feb 05 17:50:03 :) Feb 05 18:10:48 lbt, torrents would have the suits running for the hills :) Feb 05 18:11:17 lbt, a simple ftp site seems a bridge too far Feb 05 18:11:49 vgrade: ah... that's the beauty of the community area.... less suits Feb 05 18:12:08 you are correct that core meego is quite resistant Feb 05 18:13:00 quote, We should look at this from the community applications perspective first and Feb 05 18:13:00 see what will be available there. Not sure if we need additional repos for Feb 05 18:13:00 images as well? Feb 05 18:13:28 quote, I don't really see this as a MeeGo provided service. Not in the current Feb 05 18:13:29 situation at least. Feb 05 18:14:46 quotes from the bug Feb 05 18:15:43 vgrade: want me to mirror something? Feb 05 18:18:15 CosmoHill, we have a space at bug10738.openaos.org, thanks for the offer Feb 05 18:18:18 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Feb 05 18:22:42 * CosmoHill giggles Feb 05 18:37:33 anyone here tried meego on nokia n8? Feb 05 18:37:47 nope Feb 05 18:38:12 :( Feb 05 18:38:31 as far as n8 tech specs go, should it be able to run meego properly? Feb 05 18:41:16 esdf, porting guide here, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Porting_Guide Feb 05 18:42:04 vgrade: ty, but do you know if n8 hardware can run meego properly? Feb 05 18:43:11 "Meet the minimum HW performance and component requirements for the applicable device category" Feb 05 18:43:17 i can't find those requirements tho :S Feb 05 18:43:35 http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view Feb 05 18:44:40 i keep wondering what it sounds like if I speak the words in the opening section of liqbook :) Feb 05 18:45:03 so basically meego is linux distro? Feb 05 18:45:09 that is awesome :D Feb 05 18:45:52 esdf: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/lp/page/meego Feb 05 18:47:12 well says arm based n900 Feb 05 18:47:37 thats arm cortex tho, not arm11 :S Feb 05 18:49:15 gah well, when ill have the time ill put it on my n8 and hopefully report success Feb 05 18:50:09 im really sad that nokia pushed the shitbian on n8 instead maemo ... dno what they were thinking :( Feb 05 18:51:08 maybe the meego wasn't out yet then. Feb 05 18:51:40 and there is lot good things in symbian Feb 05 18:51:55 imho Feb 05 18:52:04 i said maemo Feb 05 18:52:05 not meego Feb 05 18:52:14 yep. Feb 05 18:52:37 same qt stuff should basically work in all three Feb 05 18:52:47 i mean ive seen maemo on n900.. pretty much brilliant os lightyears ahead of android imo Feb 05 18:53:04 n900 is really excellent device. Feb 05 18:53:08 ye Feb 05 18:53:15 too bad that 2 years ago it cost over 1kā‚¬ in croatia Feb 05 18:53:19 :( Feb 05 18:53:28 and now there's no n900 in stores so i bought n8 Feb 05 18:53:53 have you tried bobbles? Feb 05 18:53:58 i see n900 in phone shops all over Feb 05 18:54:19 * lcukn900 sometimes even takes pictures :$ Feb 05 18:54:33 for n8, http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-bubbles Feb 05 18:55:07 n8 is good for video and pictures, haven't carry image since then i got mine. Feb 05 18:55:29 ans5i yeah I saw the bubbles. they are pretty :) Feb 05 18:58:18 *carry camera since then. Feb 05 19:05:31 ans5i yeah the n900 camera is awesome Feb 05 19:05:51 i too carried a camera until I got it Feb 05 19:06:15 Awsome for what? Feb 05 19:08:46 the n900 camera isn't good... Feb 05 19:08:55 and the flash is worse Feb 05 19:09:04 the only good camera phone is the n8 Feb 05 19:10:09 There is no good camera phone Feb 05 19:10:16 the n900 camera did something that no other camera phone had done for us. Feb 05 19:10:18 It is an oxymoron Feb 05 19:10:24 it's not the camera so much, it's more the lens Feb 05 19:10:26 lcuk: Which was? Feb 05 19:10:48 Cosmo: Lens + sensor, both of which are necessarily shitty in a phone Feb 05 19:10:59 meant I had a camera always to hand, before it I would have to carry multiple and forget Feb 05 19:11:13 RST38h: have you tried the n8? Feb 05 19:11:14 I keep comparing camera phones to my Nikon D70 + 17~50mm lens Feb 05 19:12:21 i would rather get a photo stored and usable than not take the picture at all Feb 05 19:12:23 thiago: Yes, yesterday in a Nokia Store Feb 05 19:12:56 thiago: You do not want to use that for photos that you are going to print/keep Feb 05 19:13:21 i got mine at nokia workd. Feb 05 19:13:23 world Feb 05 19:14:49 Hello, is anyone able to do a zypper refresh on the community repository? Feb 05 19:15:34 swims whats wrong? and easy solution is to reset the zypper cache but i cannot recall the commandline Feb 05 19:15:45 araujo perhaps you can? Feb 05 19:16:08 RST38h: right Feb 05 19:16:11 Hi lcukn900, I'm getting a timeout :-( Feb 05 19:16:15 RST38h: it's not a real camera Feb 05 19:16:37 thiago: So, it is pointless claiming that N8 has a real camera Feb 05 19:16:37 RST38h: but it does take decent quality photos Feb 05 19:16:58 rst printing out photos to go into album is fine Feb 05 19:17:11 printing on a4 and beyond is not Feb 05 19:17:23 thiago: Yes, in ctightly controlled environment, where the lighting is perfect,and the subject is at just the right distance, and you are not gonna print that to A4, it takes a decent photo Feb 05 19:18:02 so for 99% of people, it is a decent camera phone Feb 05 19:18:14 yes Feb 05 19:18:14 thiago: I have a friend who does professional photography and he explained the difference between a good camera and a bad camerato me Feb 05 19:18:47 RST38h: it takes even decent photos in poor lighting conditions Feb 05 19:19:02 RST38h: I never claimed it was a real camera. But it's a good camera phone. Feb 05 19:19:05 thiago: Good camera lets you shoot pictures without having to care about environmental conditions and where you stand Feb 05 19:19:27 heh Feb 05 19:19:30 thiago: You only think about the composition and maybe a few other things Feb 05 19:19:37 a good camera phone is one that you can look at the pictures and not be embarrassed Feb 05 19:19:56 most phones produce grainy, blurry things I have no idea why I took the picture for Feb 05 19:19:59 rst a good *photographer* will check all those conditions anyway Feb 05 19:20:16 they're worth at most to look at on the phone itself Feb 05 19:20:25 lcuk: He will, but not from the point of view "if this condition is not there, I will not get aphoto" Feb 05 19:20:38 even if the camera can handle it, professional photographers do not use automatic mode do they? Feb 05 19:20:47 thiago: N8 produces just the same grainy blurry thing Feb 05 19:21:07 RST38h: that's not my experience Feb 05 19:21:12 but anyway, I don't have an N8 Feb 05 19:21:15 not gonna buy one Feb 05 19:21:16 thiago: Try it on "difficult" subjects Feb 05 19:21:20 but fairly good, enough for holiday trip or something. the video part is actually even better. Feb 05 19:21:43 thiago: try it on a car grille for example Feb 05 19:21:43 probably better than in many pro cameras. Feb 05 19:21:44 they solution is to specialize in pictures that are supposed to be grainy and blurry, artistic-like :) Feb 05 19:22:09 when we last went on holiday, Tracy and I had N900s and my pics were blurry, hers were great. Feb 05 19:22:18 thiago: try shooting buildings, from a distance, see how many details you can retain, in closeups Feb 05 19:22:59 rst38h I personally cannot resolve fine details from that far lol Feb 05 19:23:00 i can take panorama with video and put in 50" tv and it looks great. Feb 05 19:23:11 lcuk: But Canon can Feb 05 19:23:18 lcuk: Even a lowly Casio can Feb 05 19:23:37 can they make phone calls? Feb 05 19:23:45 :) Feb 05 19:23:57 No, but this is not what cameras a re for Feb 05 19:24:27 they are for capturing whats happening and mine does a good job of it Feb 05 19:24:47 * lcukn900 overlooks the limitations and gets on with it Feb 05 19:25:00 RST38h: your whole thing sounds like you just dont like digital zoom Feb 05 19:25:08 thaigo_home: I'm having trouble with MTF controlpanel... It only displays text briefly when changing pages (inactive style?). Otherwise, there's not even a hint of text. Any clue what might be wrong? Feb 05 19:25:11 rst, your glass is half empty, mine is half full Feb 05 19:25:33 gabredd i had that Feb 05 19:25:37 lpotter: True, I am not using digital zoom. But the same N900 cannot resolve detaisl even WITHOUT digital zoom Feb 05 19:25:39 its on some bug reports Feb 05 19:26:03 n900's camera is near the low end Feb 05 19:26:31 Take a look at this photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/y6SGc-XjCUsL2Bm_rDUhJw?feat=directlink Feb 05 19:26:44 perfect conditions, sunny, clear, no digital zoom Feb 05 19:26:57 lcukn900: anybody figured the cause? Feb 05 19:27:31 Look at the building details, you will see what I mean Feb 05 19:28:10 gabrbedd: difficult to say.. Feb 05 19:28:28 gabrbedd: could be a bug Feb 05 19:28:36 gab check the bug status Feb 05 19:28:47 ie do some legwork :p Feb 05 19:29:06 Ans5i: Right... that's why I'm trying to debug it. :-) Feb 05 19:30:43 gabrbedd: it probably good idea to use latest version also Feb 05 19:30:49 lcukn900: I've been doing legwork on this for 3 days, thanks. Wondering if anyone has insight into the MTF style/theme sytem (which is where I think the problem is) Feb 05 19:31:07 rst38h this has got to you for a while. has any of your research and photography work found a way round it? Feb 05 19:31:31 since we cannot obviously change the hardware, can we improve the algorithm Feb 05 19:31:39 lcuk Yes, I got myself a real camera :) Feb 05 19:32:01 thats cheating. you call yourself a developer :p Feb 05 19:32:15 on the n810 there was too much saturation Feb 05 19:32:30 lcuk: But I cannot bend the laws ofphysics, sorry Feb 05 19:32:39 i removed it in code on just UV planes and it helped immensely with noise Feb 05 19:33:07 rst38h but we can hold them at bay whilst we get the job done Feb 05 19:33:17 lcuk: Once the detail is lost at the lens level, or the sensor, or due to digital zoom, you cannot get it back Feb 05 19:33:37 i know, we cannot postprocess current images Feb 05 19:33:38 lcuk: You can seefrom the picture that we are not talking noise removal here. Feb 05 19:33:54 but if we look at cleansing the images Feb 05 19:35:12 lcuk: the image quoted above is clean Feb 05 19:35:21 lcuk: it just lacks detai Feb 05 19:35:28 l Feb 05 19:35:43 gabrbedd: most easiest approach could be to just make a bug request. let'em sort it out. Feb 05 19:36:08 Some other N900 camera problems can be partially remedied Feb 05 19:36:19 IRC is probably not best place on Saturday evening.. :) Feb 05 19:36:21 rst38h well do you know of any new things which might help future designs to be improved? Feb 05 19:36:33 For example, the magenta tint that it leaves at photos made on cloudy days Feb 05 19:36:47 lcuk: Of course, and Nokia knows some too Feb 05 19:36:56 i went to a kylie concert with my digicam years ago Feb 05 19:37:08 and onstage had bright vibrant colours Feb 05 19:37:18 lcuk: But they will not use these things in their current designs because they will not fit the iiPhone-like form factor Feb 05 19:38:01 lcuk: Look up "N93" with Google. That was the last real camera phone fromNokia Feb 05 19:38:33 rst38h well with meego form factor will be more flexible hopefully Feb 05 19:39:24 lcuk: Nah, Meego has nothing to do with it. Nokia is marketing their stuff against Apple,HTC, etc Feb 05 19:39:54 lcuk: All these companies produce flat, thin slabs of plastic with no external physical features Feb 05 19:40:14 lcuk: So, Nokia will inevitably produce exactly the same (or very similar) slabs Feb 05 19:40:46 You can easily see (by looking at N93 design) that the same trick will not work with an iPhone lookalike Feb 05 19:43:34 lol i just had to take my tshirt off to read a url from the back of it Feb 05 19:43:59 summit.meegonetwork.fi Feb 05 19:44:29 lcukn900: I hope nobody was around to witeness that Feb 05 19:44:55