**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011
Feb 08 03:00:10 <Reffy> AAaaand solved
Feb 08 03:00:32 <Reffy> Just edited the serial.sh to output a number
Feb 08 03:05:58 <Reffy> Right, the screen position is slightly off. It's showing the desktop as being far bigger than the Joggler can handle. Anyone know how to fix this?
Feb 08 03:13:42 <JunJi> Anybody got a meego emulator for ARM on windows?
Feb 08 03:21:51 <berndhs> 10 month long trade show http://qt.nokia.com/about/events/mobile-world-congress-2011/   :)
Feb 08 04:43:44 <SER_> hello
Feb 08 06:47:59 <josh_> hi all, which is the latest working image of meego for N900?
Feb 08 06:48:06 <Stskeeps> define 'working' ;)
Feb 08 06:48:22 <Stskeeps> josh_: qa-reports.meego.com is always a good pointer
Feb 08 06:48:40 <josh_> working: that one which atleast boots up the device and connects to laptop through ssh :)
Feb 08 06:50:18 <josh_> Stskeeps: this is a very informative and useful link. Thanks.
Feb 08 06:50:49 <Stskeeps> it tells very straightforward what issues we have at any given time, at least
Feb 08 09:09:46 <Alex-Meego> Is there any virtual keyboard on Meego IVI? standart, which will stay in future releases
Feb 08 09:46:19 <Mek> hmm, is there an easy way to import packages or repositories or something from the core obs into the community obs?
Feb 08 09:46:40 <X-Fade> Mek: Example?
Feb 08 09:47:08 <Mek> X-Fade: well, I need some package that is in somebodies home: project on the core obs...
Feb 08 09:47:12 <Stskeeps> Mek: linkpac :)
Feb 08 09:47:27 <Mek> ah, the command line does allow that cross-obs?
Feb 08 09:47:32 <X-Fade> Mek: We support links now. (Well unannounced feature) :)
Feb 08 09:50:04 <Mek> hmm, I don't see how to create cross-obs instance links with linkpac?
Feb 08 09:50:23 <Stskeeps> we named it meego.com, right?
Feb 08 09:51:14 <X-Fade> MeeGo.com:home:whaterever for instance.
Feb 08 09:51:35 <Mek> ah, I see...
Feb 08 10:03:43 <arfoll> vgrade, thx for the new image, will test when I get home!
Feb 08 11:11:15 <PawlaQsE> Is some1 here?
Feb 08 11:11:31 <PawlaQsE> I have problem with ,, Gadu Gadu '' comunicator on meego.
Feb 08 11:11:47 <PawlaQsE> Can some1 helo me ?
Feb 08 11:12:05 <CosmoHill> have you searched the forums / mailing lists / wiki?
Feb 08 11:12:45 <PawlaQsE> Yes . But I found only Kadu for Maemo .
Feb 08 11:13:25 <PawlaQsE> Client installed on MeeGo have problem - Won't download contacts from server.
Feb 08 11:19:42 <CosmoHill> PawlaQsE: maybe you should file a bug at bugs.meego.com
Feb 08 11:24:23 <Pawlaqse> is some 1 who can help me ?
Feb 08 11:24:40 <Pawlaqse> With MeeGo system ?
Feb 08 11:25:29 <Pawlaqse> Hello ?!
Feb 08 11:25:55 <Pawlaqse> I have problem with Polish IM Client on MeeGo comunicator.
Feb 08 11:26:43 <CosmoHill> PawlaQsE: maybe you should file a bug at bugs.meego.com
Feb 08 11:27:58 <Pawlaqse>  I belive that's some other way than reporting and waiting ..
Feb 08 11:28:48 <Pawlaqse> Polish IM Client called Gadu Gadu. Client on MeeGo won't import contacts from server. on other comunicator it happens automatically.
Feb 08 11:30:10 <andre__> file a bug, with good steps.
Feb 08 11:30:13 <Pawlaqse> And I think that some1 can help me. I found client named ,, Kadu '' . But idk how to install it on MeeGo. It's made for linux platform.
Feb 08 11:30:54 <andre__> is it availabe for MeeGo?
Feb 08 11:31:42 <Pawlaqse> I don't know. But I know that is avaliable for Maemo.
Feb 08 11:32:08 <Pawlaqse> That's only what I need more on MeeGo .
Feb 08 11:32:36 <thiago> if it's not packaged, compile it on your own
Feb 08 11:32:58 <Pawlaqse> I don't know how to do this ; ) .
Feb 08 11:33:12 <thiago> follow the README :-)
Feb 08 11:33:45 <Pawlaqse> Will it help ?
Feb 08 11:33:59 <thiago> it won't hinder :-)
Feb 08 11:34:01 <Pawlaqse> MeeGo hasn't got somethink like Wine ?
Feb 08 11:34:08 <Pawlaqse> something*
Feb 08 11:34:17 <thiago> I doubt it's packaged
Feb 08 11:34:27 <thiago> you can install it if you want, by the same way: compile yourself
Feb 08 11:34:45 <thiago> you can also try and install .rpm files from Fedora or OpenSUSE. They may work. No guarantees though.
Feb 08 11:34:59 <Pawlaqse> I don't need Wine, but Gadu have Windows-based cliend .
Feb 08 11:35:08 <Pawlaqse> client*
Feb 08 11:35:21 <andre__> unrelated.
Feb 08 11:35:30 <Pawlaqse> Afff... So I have to report this as a bug.
Feb 08 11:35:49 <poutsi> that's how things tend to work
Feb 08 11:35:54 <poutsi> or not, as sometimes happens
Feb 08 11:36:16 <poutsi> it's just people, after all
Feb 08 11:36:53 <Pawlaqse> Cuz client support gadu gadu, but it won't save contacts , just for few minutes. Won't import and I can't change name of contacts .
Feb 08 11:37:15 <Pawlaqse> Gadu have number names , meaby that's the problem .
Feb 08 11:37:48 <Pawlaqse> So I have to uinstall MeeGo. . . grr ...
Feb 08 11:38:58 <Pawlaqse> Anyway, thank's for answering my question. Meaby see ya in future, if MeeGo project will still alive.
Feb 08 11:39:29 <Pawlaqse> #quit
Feb 08 11:39:31 <poutsi> I see no vultures circling just yet :)
Feb 08 11:40:34 <sergiusens> Pawlaqse: try installing pidgin, dunno if it has gadu gagu in it or not though
Feb 08 12:08:56 <niala1> heloo
Feb 08 12:08:59 <niala1> hello
Feb 08 12:19:53 <CosmoHill> plop niala1
Feb 08 12:26:45 <Mek> hmm, is the community obs down? or is it just me... both ocs and my webbrowser don't seem to be able to reach it anymore...
Feb 08 12:28:29 <X-Fade> Mek: Ah.. load is too high ;) We still have very conservative settings there.
Feb 08 12:29:11 <Mek> :)
Feb 08 12:30:34 <Mek> X-Fade: could that also cause my own build to be stuck? (or at least seem to be stuck)
Feb 08 12:34:04 <X-Fade> Mek: Could be as the api did not respond. But let me see if the build is still running or not.
Feb 08 12:37:10 <john__> This is the first access at #meego.
Feb 08 12:37:23 <Stskeeps> welcome
Feb 08 12:38:16 <X-Fade> Mek: Kicked the build and has restarted.
Feb 08 12:38:58 <Mek> X-Fade: thanks
Feb 08 12:40:47 <X-Fade> Mek: I know it is like watching paint dry, but it is going now ;)
Feb 08 12:41:21 <X-Fade> Mek: Hopefully we have time soon to duplicate Stskeep's experiments there.
Feb 08 13:38:48 <Christer2> hey guys, im looking to develop an application using the accelerometer. can you point me to any good learning resources?
Feb 08 13:40:23 <slaine> Christer2: Not entirely sure, but I think that's covered by the qt-mobility API's. So perhaps look at some of their documentation
Feb 08 13:41:52 <sandst1> Christer2: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/sensors-api.html
Feb 08 13:44:19 <Christer2> that's all helpful thanks guys
Feb 08 14:25:59 <dneary> slaine, Ping?
Feb 08 14:26:03 <milian> any hint on how I can debug why the meego sdk is not workin on my maverik machine: http://paste.kde.org/4326/ ?
Feb 08 14:26:17 <milian> the "this may take some time" instantely returns
Feb 08 14:27:09 <slaine> dneary: ACK
Feb 08 14:27:19 <slaine> dneary: Exactly what I was leading to
Feb 08 14:27:39 <slaine> #irc backchannel
Feb 08 14:27:41 <lcuk> hey dneary \o
Feb 08 14:27:54 <dneary> slaine, Depressing doing the commit counts
Feb 08 14:28:10 <slaine> It can't be "done" so it looks like it's been dropped
Feb 08 14:28:11 <dneary> slaine, I knew from recent conversations that things were bad, didn't think they were that bad
Feb 08 14:28:17 <dneary> Hi lcuk
Feb 08 14:28:42 <lcuk> dneary, this makes me smile :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110208_002.liqbook.on.meego.ideapad.jpg
Feb 08 14:31:07 <lardman> lcuk: do you parse the text and render each letter one by one?
Feb 08 14:31:47 <lcuk> lardman, yes, when there is no sketchfont available, it falls back on normal ones
Feb 08 14:31:48 <lardman> or do you generate a font using the written alphabet for each person, and then let the font subsystem deal with it?
Feb 08 14:31:50 <dneary> slaine, I tend to agree. It's not done, so people have been moved to other stuff
Feb 08 14:32:19 <lcuk> lardman, liqbook includes mine and tracy's handwriting sketch fonts :)
Feb 08 14:32:45 <lcuk> it was so good to take that extra little piece of her with me this weekend
Feb 08 14:32:45 <lcuk> :)
Feb 08 14:32:45 <lardman> and can it generate a font for users, automatically?
Feb 08 14:32:52 <lcuk> no
Feb 08 14:33:12 <lardman> that would be useful if you wish to have people's messages, etc., appear in the correct font
Feb 08 14:33:21 <lcuk> you have your own handwriting and you must enter it for it to be useable
Feb 08 14:33:31 <lcuk> yes :)
Feb 08 14:33:39 <lardman> and indeed it would be useful to be able to do that wihtout liqbase, so that e.g. someone who uses Windows only in Australia, could send you their font
Feb 08 14:33:46 <lcuk> btw, it is on maemo extras-devel now
Feb 08 14:33:55 <lcuk> I got scratchbox working and pushed an update
Feb 08 14:33:57 <lardman> good good, what was the blocker?
Feb 08 14:34:06 <lcuk> Tracy helped lots with English grammar and punctuation :)
Feb 08 14:34:23 <lcuk> it needed a description
Feb 08 14:34:26 <dneary> slaine, Maybe no-one cares about the netbook?
Feb 08 14:34:27 <villev> dneary: commit counts for what?
Feb 08 14:34:41 <lcuk> lardman, yes
Feb 08 14:34:42 <dneary> villev, Netbook UX modules
Feb 08 14:34:47 <lardman> lcuk: ok, so I was right first time
Feb 08 14:34:49 <lcuk> I want to implement this in Qt
Feb 08 14:34:54 <dneary> villev, Core apps, panels, window manager
Feb 08 14:34:58 <lcuk> so that our existing apps can take advatage of it
Feb 08 14:34:58 <lardman> Ah ok, sounds cool
Feb 08 14:35:05 <dneary> Menus
Feb 08 14:35:08 <villev> dneary: ah... figures, if there are plans of qt version eventually
Feb 08 14:35:09 <dneary> I didn't look at themes
Feb 08 14:35:29 <lcuk> lardman, yes :)
Feb 08 14:35:40 <lcuk> btw, I will be in London very soon
Feb 08 14:35:49 <slaine> dneary: Or the focus is on CoreOS, Tablets and Handsets
Feb 08 14:35:55 <lcuk> let me sort out specific travel plans and I will let you know asap
Feb 08 14:36:51 <lardman> lcuk: If you can organise some sort of get-together then that would be cool, otherwise it's at least £50 to get there, rising to ~£160 if I travel on peak
Feb 08 14:37:05 <lardman> which is pretty painful!
Feb 08 14:37:39 <lcuk> yes its about the same for me, I will see what can be organised
Feb 08 14:38:21 <lardman> ah but yours is probably covered by work, while mine isn't ;)
Feb 08 14:39:33 <lcuk> lardman, where there is a will, there is a way.
Feb 08 14:39:44 <lardman> of course :)
Feb 08 14:39:51 <lcuk> I had not actually considered London via work, I am meeting a friend
Feb 08 14:40:08 <villev> http://static.stara.fi/uutiskuvat/oddee_martinantatuointi.png
Feb 08 14:41:35 * lardman goes to book a train to Northampton for tomorrow
Feb 08 14:41:41 <lardman> 6.28am! urgh
Feb 08 14:41:49 <lcuk> EEP!
Feb 08 14:44:19 <lcuk> lardman, that letter took so much effort to write.
Feb 08 14:44:43 <lcuk> I was asked years ago to make a powerpoint to explain what I want to do, I said I couldn't. :)
Feb 08 14:47:56 <milian> anyone ever seen a "failed to allocate pixmap" error when trying to poweron a remote? http://paste.kde.org/4328/
Feb 08 14:48:12 <dneary> slaine, Yeah
Feb 08 14:48:16 <milian> it's btw pretty tough that poweron does not print errors if not started with -fg...
Feb 08 14:48:43 <dneary> slaine, Would have been nice to make at least a small effort to enable a co-developer community to take over the maintenance of NUX
Feb 08 14:49:18 <dneary> By the way, what do you think of calling the set of modules I posted Nux, setting up a wiki page & mailing list for them, and seeing what happens?
Feb 08 14:49:44 <dneary> We would have OpenSuse Nux, Debian Nux, Fedora Nux... no more trademark issues!
Feb 08 14:49:52 <slaine> Unless, as was mentioned earlier, there's a team looking at a Qt/Quick port. But yes, seems weird that it's been left unloved for quiet a while
Feb 08 14:49:58 <dneary> "Nux" is short for "Netbook UX"
Feb 08 14:50:25 <slaine> It'd have to drop the MeeGo prefix which is the crux of the problem
Feb 08 14:50:31 <dneary> Of course, there might be problems if people wanted to do the same thing with the Smartphone UX or the PHone UX
Feb 08 14:50:40 <slaine> lol
Feb 08 14:50:53 <dneary> It's the way I tell'em
Feb 08 14:50:54 <dneary> :)
Feb 08 14:51:10 <slaine> boom 'tish. Try the fish
Feb 08 14:53:59 <Stskeeps> slaine: wouldnt it have been a better -pm@ topic?
Feb 08 14:54:35 <slaine> Stskeeps: as in meego-pm@meego.com ?
Feb 08 14:54:52 <Stskeeps> yrs
Feb 08 14:55:15 <slaine> hmm, wasn't aware of that one, clearly I haven't kept up as well as I thought
Feb 08 14:56:06 <Stskeeps> also a good post by one of the jari's that illustrates 1.2 state
Feb 08 14:59:00 <slaine> Stskeeps: that's on the pm list ?
Feb 08 15:04:23 <Stskeeps> slaine: yeah, the MM3 thread
Feb 08 15:07:39 <slaine> Stskeeps: possibly even -releases
Feb 08 15:16:45 <Mek> packages becoming available also seems to take quite a while after building finished today on the community obs...
Feb 08 16:12:20 <Mek> X-Fade: is there maybe something wrong with packages showing up on repo.pub.meego.com? I build some stuff in the home:mkruisselbrink:branches:MeeGo.com:home:bwachter project today, but repo. doesn't know that project yet...
Feb 08 16:13:25 <X-Fade> Mek: Might be related to the api being down at that point? I see new xbmc packages etc which are published a short while ago.
Feb 08 16:14:25 <Mek> well, I don't think it was down when the first of the two packages was build, and it certainly wasn't down when the second of the two packages was build for the second time...
Feb 08 16:19:38 <Cosmo> hey vgrade, how was the meego meeting?
Feb 08 16:23:11 <vgrade> Cosmo, six of us in all
Feb 08 16:23:49 <vgrade> alterago from here and -arm plus one and 3 guys from Collabora in Cambridge
Feb 08 16:25:27 <vgrade> we had N900, pandaboard and joggler running MeeGo
Feb 08 16:26:37 <vgrade> oh and some guy from Makespace in Cambrigde was eating there and came over for a chat
Feb 08 16:26:40 <Cosmo> a nice selection there
Feb 08 16:27:40 <vgrade> I had problems getting the panda image up so not much of a demo
Feb 08 16:28:13 <vgrade> did you manage to get the invite onto the infotubes
Feb 08 16:29:29 <lcuk> vgrade, its really handy to whip out the ideapad
Feb 08 16:29:41 <lcuk> at fosdem I had mine on me
Feb 08 16:30:14 <lcuk> i could just plop it down and have my office wall alongside
Feb 08 16:30:45 <slaine> Stskeeps: I think that pm MM3 thread actually detailed what I wanted
Feb 08 16:30:50 <slaine> "o   Netbook - no features for 1.2
Feb 08 16:30:50 <slaine> -          All data flows verified from UX"
Feb 08 16:31:42 <Cosmo> vgrade: I emailed them but I never heard anything back
Feb 08 16:32:01 <vgrade> Cosmo, thanks
Feb 08 16:33:30 <DawnFoster> MeeGo events IRC meeting starting in 30 minutes. Agenda here: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings
Feb 08 16:33:50 <vgrade> lcuk, yes, a bit more mobile than my box of demo kit, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=106210156123415&set=o.192977094048912&theater
Feb 08 16:34:17 <lcuk> wowsers!
Feb 08 16:37:52 <TSCHAKeee> holy crap
Feb 08 16:38:00 <vgrade> lcuk, joggler, n900, pandaboard, netbook, 23" screen, cables
Feb 08 16:38:22 <TSCHAKeee> i'm having difficulty getting a pandaboard
Feb 08 16:38:25 <TSCHAKeee> :(
Feb 08 16:38:31 <lcuk> vgrade, you are going to need roadies soon!
Feb 08 16:38:58 <vgrade> so did I, ordered mid November, promised delivery mod december, actual delivery 1st week Feb
Feb 08 16:39:06 <TSCHAKeee> holy crap
Feb 08 16:39:10 <TSCHAKeee> ok sorry, i'm repeating myself
Feb 08 16:39:13 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
Feb 08 16:39:26 <vgrade> lcuk, good job its got wheels
Feb 08 17:00:50 <vgrade> arfoll, wifi, eth0, ssh, image uploading
Feb 08 17:01:36 <arfoll> vgrade, great work! also why are you not using btrfs for /?
Feb 08 17:02:11 <vgrade> arfoll, one small step at a time for me I'm afraid
Feb 08 17:02:50 <arfoll> ehehe fair enough
Feb 08 17:02:50 <vgrade> arfoll, what do I need to do? Enable in kernel and set fstype to btrfs  in ks?
Feb 08 17:03:10 <arfoll> vgrade, I guess so, I'm not too sure
Feb 08 17:03:45 <arfoll> it would be nice because the we can use SSD mode in btrfs to reduce wear leveling on our USB sticks
Feb 08 17:04:01 <vgrade> arfoll, ah ok,
Feb 08 17:04:16 <vgrade> arfoll, I tried that ivinfo
Feb 08 17:04:35 <arfoll> vgrade, and?
Feb 08 17:05:31 <vgrade> as I recall it failed looking for lib/dri/emgd_drv_video.so
Feb 08 17:05:58 <arfoll> uhm is that not provided by the EMGD rpm?
Feb 08 17:06:14 <vgrade> or something similar, I did have an emgd_video.so
Feb 08 17:06:20 <vgrade> but wihout the drv
Feb 08 17:06:39 <vgrade> just checking the rpm contents now
Feb 08 17:07:33 <arfoll> well thats a shame, but either way XBMC won't compile with vaapi + opengl ES :-(
Feb 08 17:08:12 <arfoll> they use pbo for vaapi rendering which isn't in opengl es
Feb 08 17:09:31 <arfoll> vgrade, i'm liking the rpmlintrc in your emgd package ;-)
Feb 08 17:11:08 <vgrade> arfoll, I wonder where I got that idea from :)
Feb 08 17:11:24 * arfoll looks quietly away
Feb 08 17:12:37 <vgrade> arfoll, image will be up in 23 mins
Feb 08 17:13:14 <arfoll> vgrade, british internet sucks ;-)
Feb 08 17:13:47 <arfoll> i won't be able to test for a few hours anyways
Feb 08 17:16:26 <arfoll> vgrade, what version did you check vainfo with? Because I noticed last night that vaapi is broken in Meego 1.1 and in current it's fixed. Maybe by updating the valibs to the latest version from trunk it'll work
Feb 08 17:16:40 <vgrade> arfoll, I have 50Meg down but up is shocking
Feb 08 17:18:07 <arfoll> that's not bad, but contention ratios with cable scare me...
Feb 08 17:18:32 <vgrade> 11 jan trunk
Feb 08 17:19:48 <arfoll> vgrade, libva-1.0.7 in latest vs 1.0.6 for 11jan
Feb 08 17:20:19 <arfoll> i'm not sure if it makes much difference, we'll have to see!
Feb 08 17:20:59 <vgrade> arfoll, give the current build a go then if there is anything else you need in it I can do another one later on with a daily
Feb 08 17:22:50 <arfoll> vgrade, i'll see how it works and try upgrade just libva if vaapi doesn't work - don't believe there are that many changes between 11jan -> latest
Feb 08 17:23:17 <TSCHAKeee> is libva working?
Feb 08 17:27:45 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, I did the vainfo and got file not found error
Feb 08 17:28:40 * TSCHAKeee chuckles ..hmm
Feb 08 17:29:55 <slonopotamus> tschakles
Feb 08 17:35:46 <vgrade> arfoll, image is up
Feb 08 17:36:34 <arfoll> vgrade, awesome downloading now
Feb 08 18:02:46 <vgrade> who rearranged the repos
Feb 08 18:03:06 <vgrade> did I miss something
Feb 08 18:03:27 <alterego> Heh
Feb 08 18:04:09 <vgrade> alterego, hi
Feb 08 18:04:27 <vgrade> just rebuilding a new Joggler image and everythings moved
Feb 08 18:04:46 <alterego> I hadn't noticed.
Feb 08 18:05:03 <alterego> I need to generate a new image actually, think I'll do that in a bit.
Feb 08 18:05:36 <vgrade> uboot on my n900 now
Feb 08 18:05:44 <alterego> Nice :)
Feb 08 18:06:18 <vgrade> really like the device the more I use it but I need to visit the optitions to get my eyes adjusted so I can see the screen
Feb 08 18:08:08 <slaine> dneary: excellently put, buala bós (spelling ?)
Feb 08 18:08:33 <dneary> búla bos, I think
Feb 08 18:08:46 <MeegoBoy> Knoc knock....guess who
Feb 08 18:08:47 <dneary> Go raibh maith agat
Feb 08 18:09:35 <alterego> vgrade: hahah ..
Feb 08 18:09:38 <slaine> dneary: bualadh bos it seems
Feb 08 18:09:43 <slaine> or so I'm told here
Feb 08 18:10:23 <MeegoBoy> rumors are flying fast and furious boys!
Feb 08 18:11:15 <Ans5i> 300+ registered for meego summit @ tampere. few extra seats still left.
Feb 08 18:11:27 <dneary> MeegoBoy, Did you hear the rumour that there's going to be a reset of the MeeGo project?
Feb 08 18:11:54 <dneary> MeegoBoy, Apparently Mr. Elop tried Harmattan, didn't like Qt, and decided the whole thing should be re-written in tk
Feb 08 18:13:19 <slaine> dneary: lol
Feb 08 18:13:21 <andre__> crazy times. but tk has some advantages, yeah...
Feb 08 18:13:43 <dneary> Could be true...
Feb 08 18:13:57 <dneary> It's about as likely as some of the rumours flying around
Feb 08 18:14:08 <iekku> i'm waiting for the rumours on Thu
Feb 08 18:14:09 <slaine> this the windows phone 7 rumours ?
Feb 08 18:14:09 <dneary> My bet? Eat your hat, bring out an Android phone
Feb 08 18:14:21 <MeegoBoy> What do y,all think? nokia dropping meego like a sack of potatos on friday?
Feb 08 18:14:35 <iekku> wilder they get before fri
Feb 08 18:14:58 <dneary> slaine, There's a round-up somewhere. There's the Windows 7 rumour, the "move HQ to US" rumour, the WebOS rumour, the "fire all the head executives" rumour
Feb 08 18:15:15 <dneary> And the "dropping MeeGo" rumour has come up a few times
Feb 08 18:15:33 <dneary> I've also heard it as a "merging MeeGo with WebOS"
Feb 08 18:15:38 <slaine> right, it's hard to keep track
Feb 08 18:15:39 <MeegoBoy> Heard theyre moving HQ to USA
Feb 08 18:15:55 <dneary> MeegoBoy, I heard they're migrating to tk
Feb 08 18:15:59 <dneary> I swear I did
Feb 08 18:16:11 <dneary> From a credible source who's worked with Nokia recently
Feb 08 18:16:17 <slaine> They're probably going to announce that they're throwing in the towel with Phones and making TV's instead
Feb 08 18:16:41 <dneary> slaine, Wouldn't surprise me - that's what they did for boots & tyres
Feb 08 18:16:49 <mihero> dropping symbian rumour has also been
Feb 08 18:17:04 <MeegoBoy> Just remember: arsi jaksi left meego for a reason... Think fellas, think hard
Feb 08 18:17:05 <Ans5i> i've heard that they dropped android in meego and it runs faster than before.
Feb 08 18:17:44 <slaine> So long as they don't drop the Ponies, I'll be happy
Feb 08 18:18:06 <javispedro> WebOS rumour!
Feb 08 18:18:14 <RST38h> what is it?
Feb 08 18:18:45 <javispedro> merge WebOS with Symbian and Windows Phone 7, call the resulting monster MeeShit.
Feb 08 18:18:55 <MeegoBoy> Why d y'all think the Jaaksi dude went to HP? Simple.
Feb 08 18:19:10 <Cosmo> cos he saw you coming
Feb 08 18:19:15 * javispedro quickly goes to notify Engadget on this new rumour.
Feb 08 18:20:07 <RST38h> javispedro: Coool
Feb 08 18:20:24 <MeegoBoy> Think einstein, think! Nokia and HP swapped jaaksi for skillman to produce new os....trust me
Feb 08 18:20:53 <RST38h> javispedro: I suggest "Nokia licensing iOS UI to run it on top of Meego"
Feb 08 18:20:56 <Matan[M]> webos sux
Feb 08 18:21:18 <RST38h> javispedro: It is just barely credible and mentions iOS, which is an important requirement for any Engadget newsitem
Feb 08 18:21:28 <Matan[M]> webos was good when it named palm webos, now its webshit
Feb 08 18:21:33 <TSCHAKeee> oh no, fucktard is back.
Feb 08 18:21:55 <Cosmo> did someone kill the no swearing rule or is DawnFoster just out to lunch?
Feb 08 18:22:04 <DawnFoster> hey
Feb 08 18:22:21 <DawnFoster> I look away for 3 minutes and look what happens :)
Feb 08 18:22:35 <iekku> :)
Feb 08 18:22:41 <iekku> never sleep :)
Feb 08 18:22:42 <MeegoBoy> Cant wait for friday
Feb 08 18:22:43 <javispedro> he started it!!
Feb 08 18:23:03 <javispedro> ( ;) )
Feb 08 18:23:11 <iekku> is there #meego-sandbox?
Feb 08 18:23:32 <Cosmo> iekku: yes but it's only for the developer's kids
Feb 08 18:23:39 <dogi> :P
Feb 08 18:23:55 <jarkko^> what's more irritating swearing or constant smileys? :)
Feb 08 18:23:57 * dogi should join then
Feb 08 18:23:58 <Cosmo> they can configure IPtables but that can't wear...nevermind
Feb 08 18:24:36 <MeegoBoy> Theres a reason boys why nokia dropped the N9...think.
Feb 08 18:25:25 <Cosmo> they had wet hands?
Feb 08 18:25:28 <lpotter> troll
Feb 08 18:25:59 <Cosmo> lpotter: ah you're not familar with him
Feb 08 18:26:04 <lpotter> how can nokie drop something that never existed
Feb 08 18:26:06 <thiago> lpotter: moin, you're up warly today
Feb 08 18:26:10 <javispedro> Number 9 is to some obscure country the same number 13 is to some occidental countries?
Feb 08 18:26:14 <thiago> lpotter: even for you :-)
Feb 08 18:26:34 <lpotter> thiago: no. its usual
Feb 08 18:26:43 <thiago> at 4:25 am?
Feb 08 18:26:55 <lpotter> sleep is for the week
Feb 08 18:27:11 <Cosmo> lpotter: is it late at night or early in the morning? or some kinda middle ground
Feb 08 18:27:24 <MeegoBoy> dont be naive folks, the n9 was in preproduction stages and then kaboom....silence...why??? They didnt like the state meego was on the said n9.
Feb 08 18:27:24 <lpotter> early morning
Feb 08 18:27:28 <thiago> I see MeegoBoy is back...
Feb 08 18:27:54 <iekku> MeegoBoy, why you talk only to boys?
Feb 08 18:27:55 <MeegoBoy> Thiago: hello mate, nice to see you
Feb 08 18:28:01 <thiago> MeegoBoy: it was silence before and it's silence now.
Feb 08 18:28:02 <Cosmo> shall we all just agree to ignore him here and now
Feb 08 18:28:34 <MeegoBoy> Iekku: im assuming only males give a rats ass about this subject
Feb 08 18:28:47 <iekku> MeegoBoy, hah
Feb 08 18:28:50 <thiago> you know very well that Nokia doesn't talk about unannounced devices. So the 2010 message about meego was "wait for 2011"
Feb 08 18:29:22 <iekku> Cosmo, nice idea
Feb 08 18:29:29 <alterego> MeegoBoy: the N9 wasn't even MeeGo ..
Feb 08 18:29:36 <alterego> Which is more likely the reason it got scrapped.
Feb 08 18:29:51 <javispedro> omg it got scrapped.
Feb 08 18:30:04 <MeegoBoy> Heres the deal folks: this channel isnt for Joe Public Schmoe, its for folks like you and I with the industry knowledge and experience. Lets have an intelligent and civil discussion, shall we?
Feb 08 18:30:08 <lpotter> *sigh*
Feb 08 18:30:08 <alterego> Well, it didn't really.
Feb 08 18:30:15 <javispedro> ( ;) )
Feb 08 18:30:15 <alterego> BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED! :D
Feb 08 18:30:26 <javispedro> that's more like it!
Feb 08 18:30:29 * Cosmo bops alterego and javispedro 
Feb 08 18:30:37 * javispedro quickly shreds the letter he was writing to Engadget and starts over
Feb 08 18:30:38 <alterego> Heh
Feb 08 18:30:47 <MeegoBoy> Smile folks
Feb 08 18:31:25 <alterego> What makes you think we're not?
Feb 08 18:31:42 <MeegoBoy> I was at the meego conference in dublin and i heard a lot of negative talk from developers
Feb 08 18:31:50 <mihero> javispedro: just copy-paste the logs and you have good sources deep inside the company
Feb 08 18:32:12 <alterego> MeegoBoy: really? What were they saying?
Feb 08 18:32:23 * Cosmo bops alterego again
Feb 08 18:32:40 <Matan[M]> i like wp7 lovers :P they are rly stupid ;A
Feb 08 18:32:46 <MeegoBoy> Alterego: just disinterested and indifferent in general, lack of excitement
Feb 08 18:32:57 * thiago heard a lot of good things
Feb 08 18:33:10 <thiago> but I probably got a biased opinion
Feb 08 18:33:13 <alterego> Well, obviously you're not talking to the developers I talk to
Feb 08 18:33:17 <thiago> and skewed sample
Feb 08 18:33:22 <DawnFoster> Let's keep it nice and drop the sexist talk about only males caring about meego
Feb 08 18:33:31 <alterego> DawnFoster: :)
Feb 08 18:33:34 <MeegoBoy> Alterego: well a couple of big publishing houses
Feb 08 18:33:36 <DawnFoster> reminder: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines
Feb 08 18:33:45 <alterego> MeegoBoy: they go where the users go
Feb 08 18:33:46 <DawnFoster> I'm happy to ban people who don't behave :)
Feb 08 18:33:56 <Cosmo> people seem to be ignoring my plan of ignoring rather than ignoring the person meationed
Feb 08 18:34:10 <MeegoBoy> DawnFoster: not neccessary mate, we're all adults here. Cheers.
Feb 08 18:34:11 <Cosmo> DawnFoster: I was thinking of adding a note about english being the channel's language
Feb 08 18:34:21 * thiago agrees with Cosmo
Feb 08 18:34:25 <DawnFoster> agree with Cosmo - please stop feeding the trolls
Feb 08 18:34:27 <thiago> better go home instead
Feb 08 18:34:46 * thiago is a Troll (capital T) and needs food, so he'll stop by the supermarket on his way home
Feb 08 18:34:54 <MeegoBoy> Trolls???? Are you folks referring to me??? Im disgusted. Why?
Feb 08 18:35:13 <DawnFoster> Cosmo: feel free to add it
Feb 08 18:35:15 <Cosmo> I think thiago was refering to his employer
Feb 08 18:35:28 <lpotter> heh
Feb 08 18:35:29 <DawnFoster> thiago: have a nice evening
Feb 08 18:35:30 <MeegoBoy> Is anyone that engages in compelling and intelligent discussion a TROLL ??
Feb 08 18:35:48 <lpotter> compelling?
Feb 08 18:35:53 <Cosmo> DawnFoster: I was wondering about the guy I spoke to his morning tho, english wasn't his first language and he was stuggling
Feb 08 18:35:57 <MeegoBoy> Compelling
Feb 08 18:36:11 <Cosmo> so maybe have an expection allowing you to speak another language in order to help someone
Feb 08 18:36:20 <Cosmo> either than or quickly teach them english
Feb 08 18:36:44 <lcuk> * English.
Feb 08 18:37:03 * lbt offers to teach the americans english
Feb 08 18:37:19 <MeegoBoy> Thats English lcuk ;-)
Feb 08 18:37:39 <Cosmo> lcuk: capitals cost extra, lbt, lol
Feb 08 18:37:55 <MeegoBoy> Lol....good one cosmo
Feb 08 18:38:31 * lpotter offers to teach the English reformed spelling
Feb 08 18:39:06 <MeegoBoy> So....who else is excited about friday?
Feb 08 18:39:45 <MeegoBoy> Anybody?
Feb 08 18:40:00 <Ans5i> not me because nothing new is coming.
Feb 08 18:40:10 <javispedro> what happens on friday?
Feb 08 18:40:18 <lbt> crackerjack!
Feb 08 18:40:20 <hena> weekend
Feb 08 18:40:21 <lpotter> beer drinking
Feb 08 18:40:32 <dgc03052> MeegoBoy: Well, not sure if excited is the best word.... extremely interested?
Feb 08 18:40:35 <javispedro> more coding for me. but just asking.
Feb 08 18:40:44 <iekku> hena and lpotter had the correct answer :D
Feb 08 18:40:55 <Ans5i> Academic kyykkä is on staturday
Feb 08 18:40:58 <MeegoBoy> Im talking about the elop speech
Feb 08 18:41:16 * Cosmo gets to work on his cluster on friday
Feb 08 18:41:25 <iekku> Ans5i, so you are in tampere also?
Feb 08 18:41:27 <Ans5i> i thought i might go to see that if it is not too cold.
Feb 08 18:41:35 * andre__ mumbles "ignore" again...
Feb 08 18:41:36 <Ans5i> iekku: yep
Feb 08 18:41:52 <iekku> andre__, ;)
Feb 08 18:42:19 <MeegoBoy> Hopefully elops gives us a reason on friday to be excited about the mobile industry again. Too many damned iOs loverboys and pimple faced Linux geeks around these days...
Feb 08 18:42:40 <berndhs> NASCAR season starts friday, its worth a look
Feb 08 18:42:44 <MeegoBoy> Agree?
Feb 08 18:42:46 <lpotter> I havent had a pimple in years...
Feb 08 18:42:49 <RST38h> Great disappointment happensonFriday!
Feb 08 18:42:52 <pixelgeek1> lbt - lol "It's Friday, It's 5 o'clock.."
Feb 08 18:43:08 <RST38h> [I mean, given the expectations, whatever Elop says on Friday will not be enough]
Feb 08 18:44:07 <Ans5i> i guess he says Developers Developers Developers and hang the phone.
Feb 08 18:45:05 * ahf only dislikes that he has to be at work so early to hear the announcement :'(
Feb 08 18:45:28 <Cosmo> "developers, developers, devel...hello? hello? damn reception"
Feb 08 18:45:48 <mihero> developers talk was from opk?
Feb 08 18:45:56 <ahf> no, balmer.
Feb 08 18:46:00 <MeegoBoy> You gotta agree folks...i bring some much needed humor to this channel, no?
Feb 08 18:46:08 <berndhs> no
Feb 08 18:46:23 <lpotter> humor?
Feb 08 18:46:44 <lbt> he means humour
Feb 08 18:46:51 <lpotter> heh
Feb 08 18:47:35 <javispedro> Humor was already fine.
Feb 08 18:48:49 <Ans5i> elop quoted balmer at nokia world
Feb 08 18:53:38 <Stskeeps> is MeegoBoy misbehaving again?
Feb 08 18:53:41 <MeegoBoy> Give an old fart a break will you?
Feb 08 18:54:33 <MeegoBoy> I am not!
Feb 08 18:55:05 <MeegoBoy> Stskeeps: hello mate
Feb 08 18:56:19 <MeegoBoy> Did i ever?
Feb 08 18:57:49 <MeegoBoy> i'm fondling my n900 right now...so many promises...so many lost opportunities...sigh
Feb 08 18:58:25 <Stskeeps> MeegoBoy: yet you're ircing from a s60 device
Feb 08 18:58:38 <Cosmo> you people suck at ignoring him
Feb 08 18:59:12 <Stskeeps> Cosmo: problem is that if ops ignore him, he will wind up strangers instead
Feb 08 18:59:14 <MeegoBoy> Stskeeps: yes my simcard is in my e71 again
Feb 08 18:59:35 <Cosmo> good point
Feb 08 18:59:52 <javispedro> Cosmo: it's kinda entertaining. and there's always +q (hint hint ;) )
Feb 08 19:01:57 <Stskeeps> MeegoBoy: please read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines
Feb 08 19:02:38 <Stskeeps> MeegoBoy: and act accordingily in your future activities
Feb 08 19:03:19 <MeegoBoy> may i ask why so much hate against me? One example why. One!
Feb 08 19:04:16 <Stskeeps> MeegoBoy: well, it's simple, you wind up people and sling around insults
Feb 08 19:04:24 <Stskeeps> MeegoBoy: but anyway, read guidelines
Feb 08 19:04:37 <MeegoBoy> Stskeeps: insults? No.
Feb 08 19:05:21 <Stskeeps> Don't be a jerk: treat people with respect and consideration - no regional, racial, gender or other abuse will be tolerated,, as well
Feb 08 19:05:28 <MeegoBoy> I may ocasionally speak negatively in general sense but never personally. You have to agree no?
Feb 08 19:09:03 <MeegoBoy> Yet i get insulted all the time
Feb 08 19:09:45 <wmarone> you're back
Feb 08 19:10:10 <RST38h> MeegoBoy: In a nutshell: Speaking negatively is ok, as long as you have a point. Behaving like a blubbering idiot (positive or negative) is a bad idea though.
Feb 08 19:10:39 <RST38h> MeegoBoy: If you suspect yourself of the latter, the best idea is to sit quietly for a while and listen to other people.
Feb 08 19:12:29 <MeegoBoy> i'm AN
Feb 08 19:13:52 <MeegoBoy> I do have access to some information
Feb 08 19:14:27 <RST38h> We are not interested in your medical information.
Feb 08 19:16:03 <sivang> javispedro: lol
Feb 08 19:16:11 <MeegoBoy> medical?
Feb 08 19:17:37 <berndhs> medical is private, you dont have to reveal it
Feb 08 19:17:51 <RST38h> Only to a doctor
Feb 08 19:18:10 <RST38h> PhDs and Dr Whodo not count as above
Feb 08 19:18:19 <berndhs> i'm a doctor, but not in the medical field :)
Feb 08 19:18:37 <MeegoBoy> The insults keep coming
Feb 08 19:24:51 <vgrade> arfoll, emgd_drv_video.so was not part of package I am picking up.  It was fixed in this commit http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.scm/7695
Feb 08 19:26:07 <vgrade> arfoll, just checking if that commit has made it into trunk
Feb 08 19:44:23 <CosmoHill> vgrade: was everyone at the meeting from / around cambridge?
Feb 08 19:50:05 <Stskeeps> hmm. there's this talk about poisonous people in open source projects, but i recall reading a rather long summary of it at some point and i can't find it
Feb 08 19:50:10 <Stskeeps> hate when that happens..
Feb 08 19:51:13 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: ah, I know what you are talking about, I read that recently
Feb 08 19:51:40 <Stskeeps> ah, this one: http://blogs.oreilly.com/conferences/2006/07/oscon-how-open-source-projects.html
Feb 08 19:51:45 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: http://blogs.oreilly.com/conferences/2006/07/oscon-how-open-source-projects.html
Feb 08 19:51:50 <CosmoHill> snap!
Feb 08 19:52:38 <auke> Stskeeps: sigh, I need to get that boardname shit done :/
Feb 08 19:52:45 <auke> <- buried
Feb 08 19:53:25 <Stskeeps> auke: seems like we also need to convince PM about the need for it, or lose the ability to decline based on the 'autodetection' argument for 1.2 :P
Feb 08 19:53:46 <Stskeeps> auke: +1 on sreadahead ionice btw
Feb 08 19:54:09 <auke> yeah, that just made sense
Feb 08 19:54:21 <auke> not that it helps much if you're on a slow SD card :)
Feb 08 19:54:25 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 08 19:55:13 <auke> it's like driving a clunker with the radio out loud - you do more but aren't getting there faster :)
Feb 08 19:56:05 * CosmoHill gives auke a biscuit
Feb 08 19:57:08 <sivang> did we arrive at this blog post again? :)
Feb 08 19:57:44 <sivang> *just :)
Feb 08 19:58:05 <sivang> CosmoHill: I want a biscuit as well, and some keeping up appearances episodes :)
Feb 08 19:58:08 <vgrade> CosmoHill, yes except me, although I'm only in Kettergin
Feb 08 19:58:47 <CosmoHill> sivang: I have 'allo 'allo or Fawlty Towers
Feb 08 19:59:08 <sivang> ohhh!
Feb 08 19:59:16 <sivang> CosmoHill: is it leagel for you to send it to me?
Feb 08 19:59:28 <Stskeeps> not on freenode
Feb 08 19:59:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 08 19:59:42 <sivang> CosmoHill: keeping up appearances just hypnotizes me on my poor BBC prime that I get here
Feb 08 19:59:52 <sivang> and though I've seen all of it when I was a child
Feb 08 19:59:58 <sivang> it is as relavant
Feb 08 20:00:12 <CosmoHill> what country are you in?
Feb 08 20:00:14 <Stskeeps> meh, go for Coupling. best series ever
Feb 08 20:00:14 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 08 20:00:17 <sivang> Israel :)
Feb 08 20:00:26 <sivang> couling is out of this world
Feb 08 20:00:32 <sivang> but literally life on mars as well
Feb 08 20:00:55 <sivang> CosmoHill: we have a mediterranian version of collective of BBC 1,2,3 shows munched into one 'channel'.
Feb 08 20:01:05 <sivang> CosmoHill: basically auto broadcasting loop
Feb 08 20:01:08 <CosmoHill> sivang: ah, I was gonna say, a few counties around europe get bbc1 and bbc2 as part of a package
Feb 08 20:01:23 <Stskeeps> i get BBC entertainment lectored in polish.
Feb 08 20:01:32 <Stskeeps> which is not the way bbc entertainment should be enjoyed.
Feb 08 20:01:32 <sivang> It does not smell, look, feel or work like europe :)
Feb 08 20:01:39 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Another Seinfeld copycat?
Feb 08 20:02:06 <Stskeeps> RST38h: nah, coupling's just funny
Feb 08 20:02:07 <sivang> heh
Feb 08 20:02:15 <sivang> coupling is amazing
Feb 08 20:02:19 <sivang> and not long ago
Feb 08 20:02:20 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: you might like "not going out"
Feb 08 20:02:28 <sivang> and black books!
Feb 08 20:02:40 <CosmoHill> black books is awesome, channel 4 but still awesome
Feb 08 20:02:42 <RST38h> Stskeeps: I am torn between Coupling being written by Moffat and its theme
Feb 08 20:03:07 <RST38h> Stskeeps: The show description cries "don't download me", BUT Moffat being the script writer...
Feb 08 20:03:16 <sivang> with the magnificant http://www.billbailey.co.uk/
Feb 08 20:03:28 <RST38h> sivang: thanks for reminding
Feb 08 20:03:33 <ali1234> coupling is an english copy of friends
Feb 08 20:03:41 <sivang> FAR better than friends
Feb 08 20:03:53 <CosmoHill> it's English, of course it's better
Feb 08 20:03:54 <sivang> friends is an american kitche, no offense :)
Feb 08 20:03:55 <CosmoHill> >.>
Feb 08 20:03:59 <sivang> CosmoHill++++++
Feb 08 20:04:01 <sivang> :)
Feb 08 20:04:14 <sivang> RST38h: ;)
Feb 08 20:04:15 <CosmoHill> channel 4 really need to stop broadcast friends...daily
Feb 08 20:04:31 <sivang> CosmoHill: I even managed to get the shakespear episode of the docter ;)
Feb 08 20:04:43 <CosmoHill> yep, it's on TV now
Feb 08 20:04:45 <sivang> little did I know it is bound to be so amazing and his new gf is so smart
Feb 08 20:05:16 <sivang> I owe my english BBC tv show literacy to some debian folks back then mind you, nothing of this really gets here.
Feb 08 20:05:27 <sivang> hurray for debian-uk
Feb 08 20:06:14 <sivang> CosmoHill: I managed to play BBC rave accidently. I was sitting at my keyboard and came up with something, and then it sounded familiar. I played bill's track and it sounded the same even the same octave.
Feb 08 20:06:23 <sivang> CosmoHill: I just missed the 'beep' of doom
Feb 08 20:07:36 <sivang> btw, this is an *excellent* movie about cyber world
Feb 08 20:07:38 <sivang> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0262826/
Feb 08 20:07:42 <sivang> french made
Feb 08 20:07:54 <sivang> extraordinare ;)
Feb 08 20:08:31 <sivang> belgium actually, IIRC
Feb 08 20:16:48 <dm8tbr> sivang: how was your 'conversation' back then?
Feb 08 20:22:38 <Stskeeps> FunkyPenguin: so, does your project in some way involve qml?
Feb 08 20:27:42 <FunkyPenguin> Stskeeps, heh, sorry but no
Feb 08 20:27:55 <FunkyPenguin> btw, sorry i missed you at fosdem
Feb 08 20:28:09 <Stskeeps> it's good, we did have plenty of people asking difficult questions about trademarks and compliance ;)
Feb 08 20:28:21 <FunkyPenguin> i was too busy selling beer at the opensuse booth :)
Feb 08 20:28:30 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Feb 08 20:28:48 <Stskeeps> i am looking forward to reading your blog post since i wonder wtf's up :P suspense's always horrible
Feb 08 20:30:05 <FunkyPenguin> Stskeeps, im sure you know already, but it came as a surprise to me
Feb 08 20:30:22 <Stskeeps> meh, what do i know, i'm just a nobody :P
Feb 08 20:30:47 <FunkyPenguin> hopefully get it out tonight/tomorrow - depending on work getting in the way
Feb 08 20:30:49 <Stskeeps> k
Feb 08 20:33:33 <Stskeeps> while we're at it, how horrible is netbook anyway with branding packages? like, how much breaks without them?
Feb 08 20:33:41 <Stskeeps> i'm sure you had first hand experience so
Feb 08 20:50:12 <FunkyPenguin> well part of the problem is that there is no branding package
Feb 08 20:50:28 <FunkyPenguin> so to de brand it, you have to manually patch half the ui stakc
Feb 08 20:51:34 <CosmoHill> if the branding could be moved into one package that would make it a lot easier to debrand
Feb 08 20:51:52 <CosmoHill> but wouldn't that mean people could just change the package and use the meego core
Feb 08 20:52:13 <CosmoHill> actually from a phone point of view that would be very helpful
Feb 08 20:52:27 <FunkyPenguin> CosmoHill, that would be the best way
Feb 08 20:52:43 <FunkyPenguin> also having a name for the ui that can be used
Feb 08 20:53:08 <Stskeeps> FunkyPenguin: ah, that's bad
Feb 08 20:53:18 <CosmoHill> that's a point, never really thought about what it's named
Feb 08 20:54:05 <Stskeeps> FunkyPenguin: Mnux, Mhux, Mtux maybe
Feb 08 20:54:35 <FunkyPenguin> having the same name for the ui/environment as the distro is basically the crux of the issue between the LF and openSUSE
Feb 08 20:54:45 <FunkyPenguin> you can s/openSUSE/me ;)
Feb 08 20:55:27 * Stskeeps heads to bed
Feb 08 20:55:31 <CosmoHill> night Stskeeps
Feb 08 20:56:38 <FunkyPenguin> g'night Stskeeps
Feb 08 20:57:57 <MeegoBoy> Good nite
Feb 08 21:01:50 <CosmoHill> FunkyPenguin: do you think that packagers could split their packages into program and branding
Feb 08 21:03:24 <dm8tbr> can we make that a compliance criterion please? ;)
Feb 08 21:03:56 <CosmoHill> "branding must be in a separate package"
Feb 08 21:04:02 <mikhas> wont work
Feb 08 21:04:16 <CosmoHill> doens't have to be a different spec file
Feb 08 21:04:27 <FunkyPenguin> CosmoHill, it should be possible, thats what happens with gnome and kde with distros
Feb 08 21:06:44 <CosmoHill> thinking about it, if you gave a .src.rpm file, when you open that it would have software.tar and branding.tar
Feb 08 21:07:03 <CosmoHill> if I wanted to change MeeGo to GoMee I could swap the branding.tar file and recompile
Feb 08 21:08:23 <ni1s> does meego package the nouveau driver now adays?
Feb 08 21:08:46 <CosmoHill> nope
Feb 08 21:08:59 <MeegoBoy> No
Feb 08 21:09:03 <ni1s> will it ever?
Feb 08 21:09:13 <CosmoHill> maybe someday
Feb 08 21:10:02 <MeegoBoy> Lol
Feb 08 21:10:10 <CosmoHill> it's currently down to the vendor to provide driver support
Feb 08 21:10:56 <ni1s> the actual hardware vendor?
Feb 08 21:11:23 <CosmoHill> I mean, for example, if Dell ships computers with MeeGo and Nvidia graphics cards
Feb 08 21:11:39 <CosmoHill> it would be down to Dell to provide the Nvidia drivers
Feb 08 21:11:54 <MeegoBoy> Dell will never ship anything with anything that resembles meego
Feb 08 21:12:00 <CosmoHill> FOR EXAMPLE
Feb 08 21:12:34 <ni1s> right
Feb 08 21:18:59 <MeegoBoy> How do install meego on my n900? Quick and easy please
Feb 08 21:19:18 <CosmoHill> no idea, how do you use google.com?
Feb 08 21:19:56 <MeegoBoy> Any hints or special instructions from the gurus here?
Feb 08 21:20:03 <CosmoHill> it's on the wiki
Feb 08 21:20:04 <ni1s> there's a n900 article on the meego wiki
Feb 08 21:20:07 <ni1s> yeah
Feb 08 21:20:46 <MeegoBoy> I saw it...looks time consuming
Feb 08 21:21:34 <thiago_home> get the image, put it in an SD card, get the system to boot that
Feb 08 21:21:34 <TSCHAKeee> sigh
Feb 08 21:22:08 <CosmoHill> MeegoBoy: it will take less time than someone explaining it to you
Feb 08 21:23:53 <niala1> CosmoHill: you don't just ignore meegoboye
Feb 08 21:24:03 <CosmoHill> good point
Feb 08 21:25:04 <alterego> Takes me 20 minutes to download an image, flash it to SD and boot it.
Feb 08 21:26:16 <alterego> 1.5 minutes of that is booting :D
Feb 08 21:26:26 <CosmoHill> first time takes a while
Feb 08 21:26:38 <alterego> Sure, not timed successive boots :)
Feb 08 21:26:47 <CosmoHill> it's notsiable
Feb 08 21:27:29 <alterego> Yeah, 1.5 minutes was taken from the qa-reports :)
Feb 08 21:27:59 <MeegoBoy> I did that but i keep getting damn error messages and black screens...any tips?
Feb 08 21:28:20 <alterego> MeegoBoy: depends on the errors
Feb 08 21:29:26 <MeegoBoy> Do i have to get shit off my sd card? music and pics and shit?
Feb 08 21:29:36 <CosmoHill> yes
Feb 08 21:29:40 <MeegoBoy> Ok
Feb 08 21:29:49 <alterego> That is why I have two :)
Feb 08 21:30:03 <berndhs> can't have enough SD cards
Feb 08 21:30:08 <MeegoBoy> Pain in the a** i have 5 gigs of music on my sd card...damn!
Feb 08 21:30:19 <CosmoHill> buy a new one then
Feb 08 21:30:40 <MeegoBoy> Once meego is installed can i swap cards?
Feb 08 21:30:44 <dm8tbr> cards are cheap
Feb 08 21:30:46 <alterego> Heh, all my music and stuff is on the internal emmc anyway.
Feb 08 21:31:06 <alterego> MeegoBoy: not whilst it's running no.
Feb 08 21:31:08 <MeegoBoy> I dont wanna fill up internal memory with shit
Feb 08 21:31:18 <MeegoBoy> Freak!
Feb 08 21:31:20 <alterego> Get a better taste in music?
Feb 08 21:31:52 <alterego> You've got to fill up the 32 gigs with something ..
Feb 08 21:31:55 <alterego> Why not music ..
Feb 08 21:32:04 <MeegoBoy> Is meego usable in its current state on n900? Or am i wasting my time?
Feb 08 21:32:20 <alterego> Depends what you want to use it for.
Feb 08 21:32:35 <CosmoHill> it won't waste as much of your time as you have wasted of ours
Feb 08 21:32:41 <MeegoBoy> I want to chcek it out and get  a feel for it
Feb 08 21:33:13 <MeegoBoy> Hear what all the hype is about
Feb 08 21:33:14 <berndhs> its not like windows :)
Feb 08 21:33:22 <MeegoBoy> I know
Feb 08 21:33:42 <wmarone> meego is all about the underlying system, not the reference UI
Feb 08 21:33:57 <MeegoBoy> I wanna see the os that will save nokia's ass in action, thats all.
Feb 08 21:34:16 <wmarone> well if you're expecting it to sparkle in 3D, you may be disappointed
Feb 08 21:34:21 <wmarone> all that has to be added later
Feb 08 21:34:22 * CosmoHill rolls eyes and goes back to tv
Feb 08 21:34:35 <MeegoBoy> i understand
Feb 08 21:34:43 <jonnor> MeegoBoy: Meego 1.1, especially handset, targets OS developers, not end-users
Feb 08 21:34:49 <MeegoBoy> I know
Feb 08 21:35:06 <jonnor> So don't use it if you're an end user, it will not be very nice.
Feb 08 21:35:09 <MeegoBoy> Is telephony working?
Feb 08 21:35:21 <alterego> Yes
Feb 08 21:35:38 <alterego> MeegoBoy: I think you should just ignore this place and go hang about some where else.
Feb 08 21:35:52 <MeegoBoy> Alterego: how so?
Feb 08 21:36:11 <berndhs> you would probably be happier in another place
Feb 08 21:36:14 <MeegoBoy> Not very helpful, are you?
Feb 08 21:36:18 <alterego> MeeGo as you can use it now is good for developers, it's quite a way from being user-ready, it's not pretty and very minimal.
Feb 08 21:36:26 <MeegoBoy> Ok...fair
Feb 08 21:36:57 <berndhs> they shiny end-user oriented stuff is still kept private by the manufacturers
Feb 08 21:37:10 <berndhs> so they can get the market release timing right
Feb 08 21:37:14 <MeegoBoy> I understand
Feb 08 21:37:30 <MeegoBoy> Makes sense
Feb 08 21:37:35 <CosmoHill> berndhs: this is where the different branding packacges would come in handy
Feb 08 21:37:44 <berndhs> yes
Feb 08 21:38:29 <MeegoBoy> But so far only nokia will be releasing devices with meego no? I dont see other manufacturers jumping on board any time soon
Feb 08 21:39:02 <berndhs> there are others, I forget who they are
Feb 08 21:39:10 <wmarone> a couple vendors have utilized the core on a handful of devices
Feb 08 21:39:19 <CosmoHill> like LG, Nokia and HTC could have the same software with their own UI ./ branding
Feb 08 21:39:30 <CosmoHill> like HTC currently do for android and WP7
Feb 08 21:39:45 <wmarone> the "Indamixx 2" tablet utilizes meego for the core OS
Feb 08 21:39:52 <MeegoBoy> COULD have...big difference
Feb 08 21:40:39 <wmarone> sure, /could/. that's not the same as /won't/
Feb 08 21:41:01 <MeegoBoy> Nor the same as will
Feb 08 21:41:16 <wmarone> indeed, but that's beside the point
Feb 08 21:41:35 <TSCHAKeee> why the hell are we still talking to this douche?
Feb 08 21:41:50 <CosmoHill> cos I have low standards?
Feb 08 21:42:26 <MeegoBoy> Keep insulting
Feb 08 21:42:48 <CosmoHill> oh hey, we have 500 people in the channel
Feb 08 21:47:18 <MeegoBoy> I gotta say this is one edgy lot you people... Friday and Elop cant come soon enough with his chopping block
Feb 08 21:47:51 <CosmoHill> well you aren't an easy person to get along with
Feb 08 21:47:53 <auke> MeegoBoy: please, you're talking to the wrong people in the wrong tone
Feb 08 21:48:03 <CosmoHill> you're basically poking us looking for a nerve
Feb 08 21:48:07 <MeegoBoy> Am i???
Feb 08 21:48:10 <wmarone> yes
Feb 08 21:48:12 <thiago_home> you are
Feb 08 21:48:29 <auke> MeegoBoy: you're treating developers like they are your personal end-user support "complaint department"
Feb 08 21:48:34 <MeegoBoy> What are you guys??? Saints???? Or presidents of USA ???
Feb 08 21:48:42 <auke> we're developers
Feb 08 21:48:44 <Mek> X-Fade / lbt : so is there anything I can do to get packages in my home:mkruisselbrink:branches:MeeGo.com:bwachter project to show up on repo.pub.meego.com?
Feb 08 21:48:45 <auke> we work on meego
Feb 08 21:48:46 <thiago_home> lowly developers
Feb 08 21:48:49 <thiago_home> we don't get to make the decisions
Feb 08 21:48:50 <MeegoBoy> ok
Feb 08 21:49:02 <auke> if you would like to continue to complain, let me know
Feb 08 21:49:09 <auke> and I'll remove you from the channel
Feb 08 21:49:11 <auke> thanks.
Feb 08 21:49:20 <auke> have a nice day, and keep it constructive.
Feb 08 21:49:22 <MeegoBoy> Im not asking you to make decisions im trying to get the goddamned thing installed on n900
Feb 08 21:49:32 <CosmoHill> auke: I saw a comic about a mass murder being made head of complaints
Feb 08 21:49:36 <auke> I'll consider that a complaint.
Feb 08 21:49:38 <auke> last warning.
Feb 08 21:49:41 <niala1> Mek: it's your first package?
Feb 08 21:49:41 <CosmoHill> or was it Terry Pratchett
Feb 08 21:50:07 <Mek> niala1: in that particular project, yes, in 5 other projects my packages used to show up fine
Feb 08 21:50:48 <Mek> niala1: supposedly it is related to the other problems the community obs was having earlier today when I build a couple of packages in that project... but later builds also don't show up
Feb 08 21:51:02 <niala1> Mek: you need only file.spe and source tar.gz
Feb 08 21:51:13 <MeegoBoy> Auke: didnt know you were god
Feb 08 21:51:25 <CosmoHill> it helps if your spec file is well written
Feb 08 21:51:34 <CosmoHill> I can't get my clamav.spec to compile on the OBS
Feb 08 21:51:51 * wmarone thanks auke
Feb 08 21:51:54 <Mek> niala1: I know how to build packages; the package build fine, but the publishing of the resulting packages on repo.pub.meego.com is broken. I can download the build packages via api.pub.meego.com, but that is not very helpful
Feb 08 21:52:00 <CosmoHill> I still want the channel to be made secret
Feb 08 21:52:15 <niala1> upload file choose version: netbook, arm,
Feb 08 21:52:38 <niala1> ok
Feb 08 21:52:39 <CosmoHill> auke: just wait until I get a sword, there will be so much blood we could swim laps
Feb 08 21:53:14 <niala1> Mek: you could add your reppo
Feb 08 21:53:32 <CosmoHill> (that came out gorier than I intended)
Feb 08 21:53:39 <thiago_home> auke: thank you
Feb 08 21:53:44 <TSCHAKeee> yes, thank you
Feb 08 21:53:53 * CosmoHill gives auke another biscuit
Feb 08 21:54:01 <Mek> niala1: sorry, you're not being very helpfull; there is a problem with the obs where it is not creating the actual repo for this project; it has had similar problems before, and then there was nothing a non-admin could do to fix it
Feb 08 21:54:04 <thiago_home> you were more polite and patient than I would've been
Feb 08 21:54:34 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: you say that, he probably just sat down at his desk and saw the nick
Feb 08 21:54:44 <niala1> Mek: ok understand
Feb 08 21:55:04 <CosmoHill> auke: thanks, productive chat may now resume :)
Feb 08 21:56:17 <TSCHAKeee> do I have to publish packages on OBS for them to be seen as resolved dependencies by my other packages in my user space?
Feb 08 21:58:20 <niala1> CosmoHill: what's wrong with your clamav.spec ?
Feb 08 21:58:33 <CosmoHill> it fails saying something about #debug
Feb 08 21:58:36 <CosmoHill> %debug
Feb 08 22:09:27 <niala1> CosmoHill: quiet when meegoboyle is not here :)
Feb 08 22:09:36 <CosmoHill> nice isn't it
Feb 08 22:10:04 <niala1> yes but nothing to read
Feb 08 22:10:21 <CosmoHill> it's rather not read than read merde
Feb 08 22:11:00 <berndhs> I can make up some press releases if you want :)
Feb 08 22:11:11 <niala1> give me your spe if you want, but i m pretty sure i can't help you
Feb 08 22:11:43 <CosmoHill> COMPANY is doomed if UNANNOUNCED PRODUCT does not succeed
Feb 08 22:20:42 <slaine> I enjoyed meegoboy earlier
Feb 08 22:20:52 <slaine> distracted me from the shit storm at work
Feb 08 22:21:01 <CosmoHill> slaine: you sick sick...oh that troll?
Feb 08 22:21:10 <mikhas> :-)
Feb 08 22:22:19 <slaine> CosmoHill: lol
Feb 08 22:22:28 <slaine> You where right the first impression
Feb 08 22:24:45 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: ping, are you still around?
Feb 08 22:34:19 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: Still here
Feb 08 22:34:32 <thiago_home> hi
Feb 08 22:36:35 <vladbph> Hi, does meego let changing thread priority with SCHED_OTHER policy? min and max are set to 0... anyway to change it?
Feb 08 22:37:26 <Khertan> Hi !
Feb 08 22:38:35 <Khertan> is there any vnc client on MeeGo Netbook
Feb 08 22:38:57 <Khertan> ?
Feb 08 22:40:17 <slaine> DawnFoster: Do your metrics include number of downloads from the meego.com server for the different releases ?
Feb 08 22:41:55 <niala1> Khertan: not package  yet but tigervnc compil if i remember right
Feb 08 22:41:59 <DawnFoster> slaine: I wish
Feb 08 22:42:17 <slaine> Awe well
Feb 08 22:42:25 <DawnFoster> slaine: because of the way that things are set up with mirrors, it's impossible to get an accurate count right now
Feb 08 22:42:34 <Khertan> niala1: hum ... ok thx
Feb 08 22:43:04 <slaine> DawnFoster: ah yes, I remember that being discussed with mshaver at one of the community office meetings
Feb 08 22:43:08 <niala1> Khertan: maybe in public repos
Feb 08 22:43:47 <DawnFoster> slaine: upside is that I'm meeting with Mr. kernel.org tomorrow and will chat with him about ideas for being able to measure it
Feb 08 22:44:01 <slaine> cool, that'll be a great metric to have
Feb 08 22:45:35 <niala1> it can be interresting to have metric for madde to ?
Feb 08 22:45:46 <niala1> -r
Feb 08 22:46:25 <niala1> to have idea how many people can dev for meego on no meego os
Feb 08 22:46:56 <niala1> may be it's not english.. :) sorry
Feb 08 23:08:17 <CosmoHill> auke: you still have your sword out
Feb 08 23:20:33 <arfoll> vgrade, i'm getting loads of ext3 inode errrors on booting the joggler image :-(
Feb 08 23:22:23 <vgrade> oh, not had that error
Feb 08 23:22:34 <arfoll> old friend?
Feb 08 23:23:25 <vgrade> I've had some problems in the past with sdcards if you pull the power at the wrong time
Feb 08 23:23:38 <arfoll> i guess i didn't do a sync...
Feb 08 23:23:54 <vgrade> ah sync, yes
Feb 08 23:23:57 <arfoll> i'm re-dd'ing anyways i'll see if it gets bette
Feb 08 23:23:59 <vgrade> always
Feb 08 23:24:16 <arfoll> i got a bit exited, and the usb stick had written it a good 30 minutes ago
Feb 08 23:24:20 <vgrade> I'm installing your xbmc-gles
Feb 08 23:24:51 <arfoll> cool
Feb 08 23:24:52 <vgrade> eth0, ssh work fine on mine
Feb 08 23:25:20 <vgrade> uploading a new image now which has the emgd_drv_video.so included this time
Feb 08 23:25:32 <vgrade> played buck bunny earlier
Feb 08 23:25:44 <arfoll> oooh perfect, i saw the vid was that with vaapi?
Feb 08 23:26:31 <arfoll> theres a gstreamer element that works with vaapi in FOSS, haven't tried it though
Feb 08 23:26:42 <vgrade> not sure
Feb 08 23:27:04 <arfoll> http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/gstreamer-vaapi/
Feb 08 23:27:38 <arfoll> it's not included in meego and from the gstreamer mailing list it's not considered a great element
Feb 08 23:28:37 <arfoll> second attempt
Feb 08 23:29:01 <vgrade> i've put the qt demos on there as well
Feb 08 23:29:38 <arfoll> uhm i think my usb stick may be dead
Feb 08 23:30:00 <arfoll> can you send me the md5sum of your image?
Feb 08 23:30:25 <arfoll> the extracted
Feb 08 23:31:22 <vgrade> blown the raw you have away to make space for the new image
Feb 08 23:31:34 <vgrade> new image will be up later
Feb 08 23:32:04 <arfoll> ok, i'm writing onto another stick anyways, the bzip2 extraction didn't complain so i assume the file was ok...
Feb 08 23:33:14 <vgrade> you managed to get one of my earlier images running, right
Feb 08 23:33:43 <arfoll> yes, the first image you told me about yesterday worked fine, although i didn't do much since networking wasnt up
Feb 08 23:34:15 <vgrade> ok, just checking that my image production process is ok
Feb 08 23:35:01 <vgrade> just finished libsamplerate, now into xbmc-gles
Feb 08 23:35:22 <arfoll> is installing the rpms really that slow?
Feb 08 23:38:03 <vgrade> yup
Feb 08 23:38:16 <vgrade> my stick is not very quick
Feb 08 23:38:29 <arfoll> as long as they work!
Feb 08 23:39:24 <vgrade> indeed
Feb 08 23:40:01 <CosmoHill> you talking about SD cards?
Feb 08 23:40:10 <arfoll> USB sticks
Feb 08 23:40:28 <arfoll> i'm using the stick i stole at the meego conference now...
Feb 08 23:40:50 <vgrade> ok installed
Feb 08 23:41:04 <arfoll> moment of truth
Feb 08 23:41:30 <arfoll> tbh i don't think you'll get past the main XBMC menu
Feb 08 23:42:23 <vgrade> its up
Feb 08 23:42:29 <arfoll> and workign"
Feb 08 23:42:30 <arfoll> ?
Feb 08 23:43:51 <vgrade> yes, but only with kb and mouse
Feb 08 23:43:56 <arfoll> wow nice :-)
Feb 08 23:44:41 <arfoll> normal it's only working with kb/mouse, see this http://www.madeo.co.uk/?page_id=676 for a hack
Feb 08 23:45:01 <arfoll> btw video playback may not work, theres probably a missing dep somewhere.
Feb 08 23:45:55 <makulkar> how to hide my application or window I create from opened applications view? I create a qwidget in my app and I see my app and qwidget preview in running applications list
Feb 08 23:46:09 <arfoll> btw can you run `avahi-browse -a` (you need avahi-tools I think) on the joggler and tell me if avahi is broken? My lenovo running 1.1.80 doesn't detect any non local services whilst the meego 1.1 netbook is fine with it
Feb 08 23:48:14 <meegoman> greetings y'all ... what's new?
Feb 08 23:48:24 <CosmoHill> subtle
Feb 08 23:48:44 <ljp> heh
Feb 08 23:49:02 <meegoman> hmm?
Feb 08 23:50:19 <arfoll> vgrade, still the same problem on this key
Feb 08 23:50:24 <arfoll> i'll wait for your new image
Feb 08 23:52:35 <vgrade> its going on now
Feb 08 23:52:55 <arfoll> should i go to bed or is reasonable to wait?
Feb 08 23:54:39 <vgrade> 35 mins it will be up
Feb 08 23:54:45 <arfoll> can you also put the md5sum in the readme?
Feb 08 23:54:58 <vgrade> slideshow is cool
Feb 08 23:55:08 <arfoll> is video playback working?
Feb 08 23:55:13 <vgrade> videos don't play but do thumbnail
Feb 08 23:55:40 <arfoll> ok i'll fix that tmrw, unfortunately the xbmc build system still doesn't link properly
Feb 08 23:55:42 <vgrade> audio messed up until I patch the kernel
Feb 08 23:56:02 <vgrade> weather tab ok
Feb 08 23:56:16 <arfoll> yeah i noticed that in the previous build, however i'm not too bothered, i'm going to be using pulseaudio native tcp
Feb 08 23:56:23 <arfoll> the music should play with the visualisations
Feb 08 23:56:42 <vgrade> holymoly, programs
Feb 08 23:56:57 <vgrade> not tried this xbmc before
Feb 08 23:56:59 <vgrade> awsome
Feb 08 23:57:15 <arfoll> I sense you're becoming a fan
Feb 08 23:57:27 <arfoll> look in settings->addons
Feb 08 23:58:12 <vgrade> is there an irc client
Feb 08 23:58:20 <arfoll> lol dont think s
Feb 08 23:58:21 <arfoll> o
Feb 08 23:58:34 <arfoll> but there is launcher, which lets you launch external applications from within XBMC,
Feb 08 23:59:13 <arfoll> what I do is adapt the python script slightly and get it to open apps on the second openbox desktop and leave XBMC on the first
Feb 08 23:59:20 <CosmoHill> meegoman: is your first name William?
Feb 09 00:00:42 <vgrade> arfoll, playing a track killed it
Feb 09 00:01:06 <vgrade> very good though
Feb 09 00:01:11 <arfoll> well it is a build from git master...
Feb 09 00:01:37 <vgrade> can this control other instances
Feb 09 00:01:48 <arfoll> once i have the joggler running i'll try get an XBMC build working nicer
Feb 09 00:01:58 <arfoll> unfortunately not directly
Feb 09 00:02:16 <arfoll> you can share the library with another instance using mysql
Feb 09 00:02:52 <arfoll> however you have to use the webui to control another instance, or use your nexus one
Feb 09 00:03:06 <arfoll> lookup the official android XBMC remote on the market
Feb 09 00:07:36 <hirabayashitaro> hi, I have a suggestion. what do you think about something like a daily news about meego (expecially dev ones)? I think it could make people not directly involved on the project to stay focused on meego and accidentally catch some developer...
Feb 09 00:08:34 <lcuk> hirabayashitaro, do you mean announced in here?
Feb 09 00:08:53 <lcuk> because there are a number of news sources usable on the web.
Feb 09 00:09:08 <hirabayashitaro> but they are very sporadic
Feb 09 00:10:37 <hirabayashitaro> as far as I know obviously
Feb 09 00:11:16 <CosmoHill> like a weekly update?
Feb 09 00:11:43 <vgrade> arfoll, just took a video, youtube, vgrade100
Feb 09 00:11:49 <vgrade> time to turn in
Feb 09 00:11:53 <vgrade> for me
Feb 09 00:12:01 <mikhas> but there's already http://www.mwkn.net/2011/06/front.html
Feb 09 00:12:01 <hirabayashitaro> something like "today we were working on XY" and some links to bugtracking and stuff
Feb 09 00:12:16 <CosmoHill> the jelly?
Feb 09 00:12:59 <arfoll> vgrade, is the image up?
Feb 09 00:13:58 <arfoll> i can't see anything else than the bunny vid
Feb 09 00:14:05 <arfoll> s/else/newer
Feb 09 00:14:13 <CosmoHill> hirabayashitaro: one of the problems I see is that when developers are working on stuff, they're working on stuff
Feb 09 00:14:48 <CosmoHill> like when you're in the zone you keep going, you don't want to stop and write things down even if they'll benifit you / someone later
Feb 09 00:16:49 <hirabayashitaro> sure you're right but I also think that some suggestions/help could come from outside
Feb 09 00:17:45 <hirabayashitaro> anyway it was just an idea, and maybe an unuseful one
Feb 09 00:17:52 <arfoll> hirabayashitaro, whats wrong with daily digests from meego-dev?
Feb 09 00:18:07 <hirabayashitaro> where are they?
Feb 09 00:18:25 <vgrade> arfoll, give it a couple of mins, my upload is maxed with the image upload going on as well
Feb 09 00:18:25 <arfoll> you sign up to the meego-dev mailing list using your meego account and then sign up for the daily digests
Feb 09 00:18:58 <arfoll> vgrade, kk - i'm gonna update xbmc-gles so I don't need my patch anymore and try get the normal GL2 build to compile with vaapi
Feb 09 00:19:02 <vgrade> arfoll, 13mins on the image to go
Feb 09 00:19:04 <lcuk> hirabayashitaro, that is most useful though, perhaps having something from the top of your xml feed dropped here when people notice its quiet
Feb 09 00:19:11 <CosmoHill> you know, if you watch an iphone advert on mute, they make no sense at all
Feb 09 00:19:25 <lcuk> so to spark more discussion in a topic
Feb 09 00:20:10 <arfoll> how can i put something in a spec that only applies to a specific target?
Feb 09 00:20:14 <arfoll> in oBS
Feb 09 00:21:08 <CosmoHill> yes
Feb 09 00:21:41 <CosmoHill> http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/kernel.spec
Feb 09 00:21:50 <CosmoHill> see the %ifarch sections
Feb 09 00:22:06 <arfoll> CosmoHill, thanks but not what I want
Feb 09 00:22:22 <arfoll> I want to do something different if building for Meego Current but not do it for Meego 1,1
Feb 09 00:22:33 <CosmoHill> ah I see
Feb 09 00:22:52 <CosmoHill> there should be a way to do with %release or something but I'm nor familar with it
Feb 09 00:24:08 <vgrade> arfoll, video is up, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTWQZgsuuQ
Feb 09 00:25:27 <arfoll> vgrade, looks nice. hopefully tmrw evening same time i'll have a much better video ;-)
Feb 09 00:26:25 <CosmoHill> vgrade: very nice
Feb 09 00:26:29 <arfoll> the slideshow does look nice, but those are the default pics, so i guess they are tiny, problem is that cximage is not that fast at jpeg decoding :-(
Feb 09 00:26:51 <vgrade> how do I do the md5
Feb 09 00:27:01 <arfoll> just md5sum filename
Feb 09 00:27:26 <vgrade> of the bz2
Feb 09 00:27:35 <arfoll> either is fine
Feb 09 00:27:36 <CosmoHill> you trying to create an md5sum?
Feb 09 00:27:44 <vgrade> yup
Feb 09 00:27:45 <niala1> xmbc read mp3 divx?
Feb 09 00:28:01 <CosmoHill> vgrade: md5sum INFILE > INFILE.md5
Feb 09 00:28:05 <CosmoHill> that's how I do it
Feb 09 00:28:19 <vgrade> thanks CosmoHill
Feb 09 00:29:59 <vgrade> 3mins for the image
Feb 09 00:30:57 <niala1> xbmc has his own codec?
Feb 09 00:32:19 <arfoll> niala1, xbmc uses ffmpeg
Feb 09 00:33:05 <vgrade> arfoll, done, with md5 also
Feb 09 00:33:32 <niala1> thanks
Feb 09 00:33:41 * arfoll has 15m to wait while his connection maxes out
Feb 09 00:34:01 * arfoll considers closing xchat to speed up the donwnload
Feb 09 00:34:03 <vgrade> arfoll, good luck, I'm off to bed
Feb 09 00:34:11 <vgrade> talk tomorrow
Feb 09 00:34:14 <arfoll> thanks, gd night!
Feb 09 00:34:15 <vgrade> night
Feb 09 00:34:16 <CosmoHill> cyas p[eople
Feb 09 00:34:18 <CosmoHill> I'm off too
Feb 09 00:34:23 <vgrade> night CosmoHill
Feb 09 00:35:50 <niala1> night CosmoHill vgrade
Feb 09 00:36:03 <CosmoHill> bonne nuit niala1
Feb 09 00:47:04 <arfoll> download finished, md5's match, bzip2 time
Feb 09 01:03:57 * arfoll has a booting meego/joggler :-)
Feb 09 01:11:01 <Andy80> mmm....
Feb 09 01:11:08 <Andy80> so quiet here...
Feb 09 01:11:40 <Andy80> I did imagine to join and find an interesting discussion :P
Feb 09 01:18:24 <berndhs> you can start one
Feb 09 01:25:11 <Andy80> uhm..... I'll just come back tomorrow when more people will have already read this http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/
Feb 09 01:25:24 <Andy80> see ya for now
Feb 09 01:31:51 <jonnor> hoho
Feb 09 02:22:36 <wmarone> Oh Elop, why do you have to pour gasoline on the fire...
Feb 09 02:26:09 <berndhs> this is probably going to be a really boring presentation on friday
Feb 09 02:26:55 <wmarone> I hope so
Feb 09 02:27:10 <wmarone> that or there will be a million trolls in here
Feb 09 02:27:15 <berndhs> announcing that there will be an announcement in Q2, or something
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