**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 15 02:59:56 2011
Feb 15 03:47:34 <pupnik> is this funnier?  http://i.imgur.com/EfzVR.png
Feb 15 06:14:57 <Guest41481> what is new about meego project?
Feb 15 06:15:18 <Guest41481> I heard maybe it will change its name in the future.
Feb 15 06:22:10 <hena> Guest41481: to Meeblin?
Feb 15 06:23:46 <Guest41481> I also have no idea , maybe.
Feb 15 06:24:07 <zma> YouuComeBack
Feb 15 06:54:18 <treebeen> http://nokiaplanb.com/ - maybe nokia can be brought back to meego?
Feb 15 06:54:37 <Stskeeps> -bar, please
Feb 15 06:56:14 <Tm_T> I'm honestly annoyed with all the offtopic in meego mailinglists
Feb 15 07:03:37 * lofty306 tosses Stskeeps a guinness
Feb 15 07:04:46 <Dijit> :o this isn't the bar
Feb 15 07:14:38 <npm> Meego 1.2 runs pretty nice on a netbook :-)
Feb 15 07:18:54 <npm> but is there a way of widening the "Toolbar/Nav Bar" pulldown at the top so it senses a finger? (works ok w/ trackpad, but hard to get to very edge of screen w/ fat finger and screen bezel)
Feb 15 07:19:26 <npm> not making it physically wider when down, but when hidden, having a wider area sensitive
Feb 15 07:23:24 <dotblank> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/02/intel-meego-phone-and-tablet-pictured-at-mwc/
Feb 15 07:23:29 <dotblank> that looks pretty cool
Feb 15 07:24:29 <npm> meewant
Feb 15 07:26:20 <timeless> lbt: ping
Feb 15 07:29:43 <timeless> x-fade: ping
Feb 15 07:30:30 <mece> timeless, \o
Feb 15 07:31:11 <mece> mece, nobody's home
Feb 15 07:31:14 <mece> LOL
Feb 15 07:31:27 * mece bonks himself on the head for being an idiot
Feb 15 07:31:33 <mece> timeless, nobody's home
Feb 15 07:32:17 <timeless> thanks
Feb 15 07:38:29 <freaksed> can anyone lend a thought on getting qjackctl working on meego? i havent been able to figure out how to get rid of the x11/xatom.h missing error
Feb 15 07:48:01 <freaksed> has anyone had success installing qjackctl on meego?
Feb 15 07:48:49 <timeless> freaksed: do you have xorg-x11-devel?
Feb 15 07:49:08 <freaksed> i was having trouble finding it in the repository
Feb 15 07:49:33 <eg81> freaksed: zypper install xorg-x11-proto-xproto
Feb 15 07:49:59 <timeless> http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.0:/Netbook/MeeGo_1.0/repodata/repoview/glew-devel-0-1.5.2-1.2.html
Feb 15 07:50:28 <timeless> proto-xproto? wow
Feb 15 07:50:34 <freaksed> ah i think i remember seeing that it the list, and links! sweet
Feb 15 07:51:55 <freaksed> those look like what im looking for, thank you
Feb 15 07:53:17 <eg81> timeless: rpm -qf /usr/include/X11/Xatom.h
Feb 15 07:53:18 <eg81> xorg-x11-proto-xproto-7.0.17-1.3.i586
Feb 15 08:00:40 <timeless> eg81: that only works if you have it handy
Feb 15 08:01:14 <mece> oo... ivi looks pretty sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJhLah_u_4U
Feb 15 08:06:13 <hlzxy> I use rsync to load meego packages but failed, do server work well or my host problem?
Feb 15 08:06:22 <Stskeeps> both maybe
Feb 15 08:09:34 <hlzxy> anyother way to load ?
Feb 15 08:09:49 <Stskeeps> we use oss/ and non-oss/ now, not "core"
Feb 15 08:13:55 <hlzxy> but nothing on ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/oss/ ,do its'resource from that url when I load?
Feb 15 08:15:32 <timeless> Stskeeps: oh joy
Feb 15 08:15:41 * timeless loves the random renames in meego
Feb 15 08:15:50 <Stskeeps> timeless: it was announced, though
Feb 15 08:16:02 <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmXi50cC6Nc, tabet ux devs
Feb 15 08:16:03 <timeless> yeah, my computer doesn't parse announce
Feb 15 08:16:29 <timeless> Stskeeps: can i get people to actually file bugs or update a script if they do things like that?
Feb 15 08:16:32 <vgrade> any of you guys on here?
Feb 15 08:18:25 <Dijit> I'm here
Feb 15 08:18:45 <timeless> Dijit: i think he wants to know if you're in the video ;-)
Feb 15 08:18:55 <timeless> (he failed to ask that, but hey)
Feb 15 08:19:01 <Dijit> oh
Feb 15 08:19:04 <Dijit> I probably am.
Feb 15 08:19:09 <Dijit> I'm in all the videos
Feb 15 08:19:57 <mece> Peter Schneider is ever positive :)
Feb 15 08:21:56 <timeless> mece: that's his job
Feb 15 08:22:00 <timeless> he's in marketting
Feb 15 08:26:44 <timeless> mece: when do lbt/x-fade generally de-idle?
Feb 15 08:35:27 <Mirv> I guess lbt generally around now, but depends of course what stuff to do
Feb 15 08:36:24 <mece> timeless, I would have thought they'd be here by now.
Feb 15 08:49:42 <dneary_> Anyone with a few euros lying around should probably buy some Nokia stock about now
Feb 15 08:49:54 <dneary_> It hit bottom at $8.80
Feb 15 08:50:23 <dneary_> And will rise a few percent today
Feb 15 08:50:24 * dm8tbr lacks the monopoly money right now
Feb 15 08:51:55 <lbt> o/
Feb 15 08:51:56 <odin_> Happy Birthday MeeGo is it day
Feb 15 08:52:06 <Stskeeps> yeah
Feb 15 08:52:13 <Dijit> heh
Feb 15 08:52:24 <Dijit> I wish I could invest in nokia right now
Feb 15 08:52:30 <dneary_> There's a common effect at work: some news comes out, people react badly, and the stock over-sells
Feb 15 08:52:32 <Dijit> because when they bounce back.. I'd be rich
Feb 15 08:52:43 <dneary_> Until the point that it's really cheap
Feb 15 08:52:56 <dneary_> And then rebounds a little - all the news is priced in
Feb 15 08:53:14 <odin_> show us the chart of the previous low (before the price in)
Feb 15 08:53:18 * dazo takes on the provocative prophesy hat
Feb 15 08:53:30 <dneary_> odin_, I reckon yesterday evening
Feb 15 08:53:39 <dneary_> Sorry - Friday evening
Feb 15 08:53:42 <dazo> Dijit: Nokia will go even lower and will be bought up by Microsoft ... Finland offices will be closed down, and a Microsoft is happy
Feb 15 08:53:50 <Dijit> lol
Feb 15 08:53:51 * dazo takes off the provocative prophesy hat
Feb 15 08:53:53 <Dijit> pessimist much?
Feb 15 08:54:06 <dneary_> And the Monday morning selling was people who didn't really understand what was happening & saw the stock drop over 10% in a day
Feb 15 08:54:32 <dneary_> But then again, even a dead cat bounces on its way down, they say
Feb 15 08:54:37 <Dijit> xD
Feb 15 08:54:53 <Dijit> Elop must have an agenda.
Feb 15 08:54:54 <dneary_> Sometimes you see a downward slide up-tick before carrying on down
Feb 15 08:55:05 <dazo> Dijit: Nokia has said no Qt for WP7, Symbian will die slowly and MeeGo will not get much attention ... rumours about massive downsizing is already swirling .... Nokia will pull themselves out of MeeGo, because they will focus on the hardware now and let Microsoft do the software
Feb 15 08:55:07 <Dijit> who walks into a meeting with "the devil" without a plan?
Feb 15 08:55:14 <dneary_> (that's the people who had short options on the share buying to fill their option)
Feb 15 08:55:26 <Dijit> dazo: have you seen the stuff surrounding meego?
Feb 15 08:55:29 <Dijit> it's not just nokia
Feb 15 08:55:39 <dneary_> Dijit, You're assuming he isn't an emmisary
Feb 15 08:55:40 <TuOki^> http://nokiaplanb.com/
Feb 15 08:55:43 <dneary_> A Trojan Horse
Feb 15 08:55:45 <Dijit> haha
Feb 15 08:56:14 <mak1> HEY GUYS I KNOW I M ON THE WRONG CHANNEL BUT CAN ANY ONE TELL ME HOW TO CONNECT TO EFnet..
Feb 15 08:56:15 <dneary_> TuOki^, That has no chance, I'm afraid. The board has spoken
Feb 15 08:56:18 <dazo> Dijit: I'm not saying MeeGo will die ... but Nokia + MeeGo is a dead horse ... MeeGo on the tablets, In-Vehicle and set-top boxes, MeeGo got big chances there
Feb 15 08:56:22 <Dijit> I know this may seem bad, but no matter what happens, meego will live on, it already has been snapped up by a lot of car manufacturers for infotainment systems
Feb 15 08:56:28 <Dijit> it's the standard in most places
Feb 15 08:56:32 <Dijit> it's going nowhere.
Feb 15 08:56:37 <TuOki^> i allready send email those guys and said that i can give my share proxy to them
Feb 15 08:56:40 <Dijit> nokia can either make money on it, or not.
Feb 15 08:56:54 <Dijit> business wise... elop would be a fool to stop production.
Feb 15 08:56:56 <timeless> dazo: why should microsoft buy nokia?
Feb 15 08:57:03 <dazo> Dijit: and in addition ... Intel and ARM is competitors ... that Nokia, driving the ARM part in MeeGo with hardware now pulls themselves out, is not a bad thing for Intel
Feb 15 08:57:04 <Dijit> timeless: patents
Feb 15 08:57:08 <timeless> right now microsoft gets large distribution at minimal risk
Feb 15 08:57:11 <_berto_> TuOki^: http://nokiaplanc.com/
Feb 15 08:57:18 <timeless> dijit: microsoft isn't really that big of a patent house
Feb 15 08:57:21 <Dijit> between them, they'd be able to put royalties on a computer guru sneezing
Feb 15 08:57:21 <ruskie> mak1, try www.efnet.net
Feb 15 08:57:22 <dazo> timeless: good point
Feb 15 08:57:27 <Dijit> timeless: nokia is.
Feb 15 08:57:28 <odin_> I looked over a 1 year in US markets and it was 7 months ago it was this low, and then briefly, the last Thu/Fri price was the best closing price since that low
Feb 15 08:57:29 <TuOki^> _berto_ : heheheh
Feb 15 08:57:37 <Dijit> timeless: GSM, Bluetooth, WiFi
Feb 15 08:57:41 <Dijit> 3G
Feb 15 08:58:07 <timeless> you missed a couple of interesting areas
Feb 15 08:58:14 * Dijit shrugs
Feb 15 08:58:15 <timeless> but i don't think microsoft really cares
Feb 15 08:58:42 <Dijit> I think they do
Feb 15 08:58:48 <dazo> timeless: Microsoft cares about getting a real hardware vendor commitment for shipping WP7 phones .... Nokia gives them that now
Feb 15 08:58:48 <Dijit> they've mentioned "an interest"
Feb 15 08:59:35 <timeless> anyone here familiar w/ meego repository structure? i'm wondering how likely http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1063213 is to give me something useful
Feb 15 08:59:48 <timeless> dazo: yes
Feb 15 08:59:54 <timeless> but why buy it? there's no point
Feb 15 09:00:08 <timeless> ms is generally happy when it has multiple vendors taking/sharing risk for it
Feb 15 09:00:12 <timeless> buying them is pointless
Feb 15 09:00:41 <dazo> well, as Dijit said, patents ... Microsoft don't have too much patents now ... but more patents in the mobile marked is not a bad strategy, and considering the battle between Nokia and Apple ...
Feb 15 09:01:13 <dazo> or rather, Microsoft don't have too much patents in the mobile area ... they do have quite some in the software area, I believe
Feb 15 09:01:30 <Dijit> yeah
Feb 15 09:01:38 <Dijit> they have a patent on the double click
Feb 15 09:01:52 <dazo> With more patents, they can threaten Andriod and Apple much more efficient
Feb 15 09:01:57 <Dijit> and apple have the patent for the click and hold.
Feb 15 09:01:58 <Dijit> so.
Feb 15 09:02:09 <timeless> patents don't really work that well against big fish
Feb 15 09:02:17 <timeless> a big fish can work around the patents or counter
Feb 15 09:02:29 <timeless> they're much more effective against medium sized fish
Feb 15 09:02:47 <ab> yep, most times they only used to negotiate deals
Feb 15 09:02:54 <dneary_> Actually, Nokia Oyj is already up 2% on its closing price in the Finnish stock market this morning, will open higher on Dow
Feb 15 09:03:15 <dazo> yeah, and with patents which they can threaten Android or Apple with ... they can dare to implement features the others have patents on in WP7 ... and if they go to attack on Microsoft, they can do a counter attack with their patents
Feb 15 09:03:46 <dneary_> And trey give a nice dividend (€0.40 last time, works out at a 7% yield on current price
Feb 15 09:04:40 <dneary_> ok gotta get a bunch of work done today... off IRC
Feb 15 09:04:52 <RST38h> Have to wait for a few months to see what happens to the stock price
Feb 15 09:05:59 <timeless> so... anyone here familiar w/ rpm repo structure?
Feb 15 09:06:11 <Dijit> I'm.. familiar
Feb 15 09:06:15 <raster> this nokia -> wp7 stuff has given me more amusing popcorn moments than anything has for a long time
Feb 15 09:06:16 <dazo> RST38h: if you have faith in Nokia, that they will go up ... now is probably the best time to buy Nokia stocks, when the market is uncertain - as that drives the price down ...
Feb 15 09:06:23 <timeless> raster++
Feb 15 09:06:36 <pupnik> i'm sticking with the cthulhu story
Feb 15 09:06:40 <timeless> Dijit: i'm considering http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1063213 as a way to get a list of packages
Feb 15 09:07:11 <timeless> and i'm wondering if there's some value in looking in the repodata/ directory, e.g. pupnik at the *-filelists.xml.gz things
Feb 15 09:07:13 <raster> its almost like half the world has already dug a grave for nokia and put the headstone in
Feb 15 09:07:25 <timeless> raster: years ago
Feb 15 09:07:28 <raster> but another small group are cheering them on in their new microsoft embrace
Feb 15 09:07:29 <timeless> and with good reason
Feb 15 09:07:38 <timeless> who's cheering?
Feb 15 09:07:44 <Dijit> timeless: it should all be contained in filelists
Feb 15 09:07:44 <dazo> timeless: if you're interested in the filenames, then the filelists.xml.gz is a good thing ... except of that, no point
Feb 15 09:07:51 <raster> and tyhe rest just dont know what to make of it all and are going to just buy some non-nokia thing anyway
Feb 15 09:07:56 <Dijit> there is a repodata file
Feb 15 09:08:02 <Dijit> (or there should be)
Feb 15 09:08:13 <raster> its a hyper-polarising thing is seems
Feb 15 09:08:19 <raster> and seems mostly negative
Feb 15 09:08:21 <raster> \:(
Feb 15 09:08:30 <raster> poor nokia enignerrs
Feb 15 09:08:42 <raster> nice shock just for the weekend
Feb 15 09:08:45 <odin_> if they are familiar with the rpm repo, could they fix that drpm issue bug#10113
Feb 15 09:08:48 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10113 nor, Medium, ---, qiang.z.zhang, REOP, applydeltarpm failed
Feb 15 09:08:48 <dazo> timeless: another approach is to look at the yum python code ... that might do what you're looking for
Feb 15 09:09:04 <Dijit> dazo: I was thinking that
Feb 15 09:09:15 <lbt> timeless: pong
Feb 15 09:09:34 <timeless> dazo: the question is, am i better served by actually reading repomd.xml, calculating filelist's path and then reading + parsing it
Feb 15 09:10:22 <timeless> dijit / dazo: the goal is to collect *all* rpm's assuming there's only one ver of a given package in the repo space
Feb 15 09:10:25 <lpotter> raster: rumors of Nokia's death are greatly exaggerated
Feb 15 09:10:42 <lbt> timeless: hmm you want a pkg DB ?
Feb 15 09:10:45 <timeless> lbt: /query
Feb 15 09:10:48 <raster> lpotter: nokia wont die
Feb 15 09:10:54 <raster> its too big to just impode overnight
Feb 15 09:11:00 <raster> implode
Feb 15 09:11:00 <jonwil> Last I read, xda-developers LOVES the new MS-Nokia deal
Feb 15 09:11:02 <lbt> we are talking about pushing REVS onto meego.com this sprint
Feb 15 09:11:17 <Stskeeps> guys, nokia death etc -> #meego-bar
Feb 15 09:11:25 <ruskie> :)
Feb 15 09:11:38 <raster> but the question is... will nokia ever regain even a semblance of its marketshare, dominance and profitability as a result of this decision?
Feb 15 09:11:41 <alterego> Heh
Feb 15 09:11:49 <raster> stfair enough :)
Feb 15 09:11:54 <raster> Stskeeps: fair enough :)
Feb 15 09:12:06 <lpotter> raster: yes; meego
Feb 15 09:12:10 <Dijit> raster: I think it will.
Feb 15 09:12:16 <raster> -> bar
Feb 15 09:12:39 <Dijit> it's just opened another playform for itself
Feb 15 09:12:48 <dazo> timeless: well, the repomd.xml should only contain an overview over the files with package information available in the repo  .... so to get packages, you must at least parse primary.xml.gz, iirc
Feb 15 09:13:15 <timeless> dazo: what's a primary?
Feb 15 09:14:45 <dazo> timeless: primary.xml.gz should contain the core packages available in the repository
Feb 15 09:14:52 <dazo> it's kind of the primary database
Feb 15 09:15:04 <timeless> dazo: but not actually the filenames?
Feb 15 09:15:22 <dazo> timeless: not of the files inside the packages
Feb 15 09:15:39 <timeless> i only care about the rpm file names, not the contents
Feb 15 09:15:49 <timeless> i get to discover the contents when i extract the rpm's...
Feb 15 09:16:11 <dazo> timeless: then you'll find that in the primary.xml.gz
Feb 15 09:16:16 <timeless> all that interests me is a *reliable* way to get all rpm's from a given meego "release"
Feb 15 09:16:18 <mauricelynch> Has anyone installed Evolution 2.32 on MeeGo 1.1?
Feb 15 09:16:38 <Dijit> isn't evolution a bit heavy for a mobile device?
Feb 15 09:17:00 <Mek> primary.xml.gz and/or primary.sqlite(.gz?)
Feb 15 09:17:00 <mauricelynch> yes but I want just try it
Feb 15 09:17:07 <dazo> timeless: in the primary.xml.gz ... //metadata/package/location should contain that
Feb 15 09:17:19 <Dijit> hmm, mauricelynch you'll need a lot of gnome stuff
Feb 15 09:17:25 <Dijit> since evolution gnome
Feb 15 09:17:36 <timeless> ok, it seems to
Feb 15 09:17:39 <Dijit> but I'm pretty sure it's new ground
Feb 15 09:17:47 <Dijit> evolution is gnome*
Feb 15 09:18:11 * timeless tries to decide if that's more or less efficient than just using the listing from the other level
Feb 15 09:20:09 <timeless> dazo: so... a quick skim shows that the data it has is really mostly worthless
Feb 15 09:20:15 <dazo> timeless: the XML is a fixed format ... if you just base it on a file listing of files, you're depended that the web server always allows file listing + that it doesn't change the way the files are listed ... some web servers might change the layout, which changes the HTML you'll need to parse ... unless you're using ftp
Feb 15 09:20:38 <timeless> dazo: the web server layout has changed probably a dozen times already
Feb 15 09:20:47 <timeless> but the problem is that its depth and general paths have changed
Feb 15 09:21:06 <timeless> meaning that even if i had an algorithm for parsing a repodata/, it would have been useless
Feb 15 09:21:31 <timeless> as for directory listing, do you think it's likely that meego would turn it off?
Feb 15 09:21:35 <dazo> yeah, when the base URL changes, there's no way to "fix" that automagically
Feb 15 09:22:06 <timeless> the wonderful thing about distributed (repositories|version control) is that there are an infinite number of possible locations
Feb 15 09:22:08 <timeless> ...
Feb 15 09:22:16 <RST38h> hey raster
Feb 15 09:22:23 <raster> RST38h: boo
Feb 15 09:22:24 <bergie> timeless: depends on the repo  you're working with, for the community OBS we're setting up OCS API
Feb 15 09:22:44 <RST38h> raster: not making an announcement at the MWC? now feels like the right time, if any... =)
Feb 15 09:23:11 <timeless> bergie: i don't speak geek. accept-languages: en-US, en-US-perl
Feb 15 09:23:24 <timeless> what's OCS?
Feb 15 09:23:35 <dazo> timeless: I don't know if meego server admins will change their mind to turn of dir listing ... but that's a real risk ... but for yum to work, it will always look for specific files, which defines which files is to be found in the repository, so I consider this a safer path in the long run
Feb 15 09:23:44 <bergie> timeless: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services
Feb 15 09:24:00 <bergie> we have the same available for Maemo Downloads
Feb 15 09:25:03 <timeless> bergie: that's geek-greek
Feb 15 09:25:12 <dazo> :)
Feb 15 09:25:19 <timeless> where's the human readable executive summary?
Feb 15 09:25:27 <timeless> apropos (?)
Feb 15 09:25:45 <bergie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Collaboration_Services
Feb 15 09:26:00 <raster> RST38h: limo went and annoinced limo4 - efl part of its spec
Feb 15 09:26:01 <raster> :)
Feb 15 09:26:12 <timeless> to quote Luke "what a piece of junk"
Feb 15 09:26:43 <lbt> bergie: we have a package DB in Nokia called REVS
Feb 15 09:27:06 <lbt> it is designed to hold authoritative info to be used for release reporting
Feb 15 09:27:18 * timeless shrugs
Feb 15 09:27:19 <raster> voom voom
Feb 15 09:27:22 <bergie> lbt: ok, we track only community-made packages anyway :-)
Feb 15 09:27:26 <lbt> ie a diff of this weeks release vs last weeks
Feb 15 09:27:35 <Guest41481> what 's new on MWC?
Feb 15 09:27:39 <timeless> i don't see a commandline @ lbt http://www.socialdesktop.org/library/
Feb 15 09:27:44 <lbt> bergie: ok-  that's good
Feb 15 09:28:01 <timeless> which from my perspective makes it relatively useless
Feb 15 09:28:09 <timeless> i'm not going to write my daemon in php
Feb 15 09:28:15 <timeless> nor am i going to use Qt
Feb 15 09:28:17 <bergie> timeless: curl is your command line ;-)
Feb 15 09:28:19 <lbt> bergie: but I'm hoping to push/support builds on top of meego
Feb 15 09:28:25 <lbt> timeless: REST?
Feb 15 09:28:28 <timeless> bergie: yes, i'm using curl
Feb 15 09:28:42 <timeless> lbt: if i have to write a huge parser engine to deal w/ OCS, then it's a waste of my time
Feb 15 09:28:47 <timeless> i'd rather crawl to HEL and back
Feb 15 09:28:48 * dazo wonders what's the point of going one extra step, to end up in practically the same place
Feb 15 09:28:53 <lbt> timeless: awww
Feb 15 09:29:05 <timeless> dazo: exactly
Feb 15 09:29:06 <lbt> you want to grep xml... go ahead
Feb 15 09:29:16 <timeless> i'm pretty sure i'm already there skipping the xml
Feb 15 09:29:18 <lbt> the sane development people use json
Feb 15 09:29:32 <timeless> lbt: i'm quite happy to just parse html
Feb 15 09:29:36 <Mek> you can also opt for primary.sqlite instead of primary.xml for most repos :P
Feb 15 09:29:50 <dazo> json == XML replacement for those struggling to understand XML implementations
Feb 15 09:29:52 <lbt> I was offerering you a "curl http://all_packages_in_release_X"
Feb 15 09:29:52 * dazo hides
Feb 15 09:30:09 <lbt> timeless: yeah ... welcome to the 90's
Feb 15 09:30:09 <timeless> lbt: via revs?
Feb 15 09:30:16 <lbt> timeless: yes
Feb 15 09:30:21 <lbt> that's the point of it
Feb 15 09:30:25 <timeless> lbt: hey, i grew up there, it was a nice peaceful place
Feb 15 09:30:37 <timeless> lbt: i'll let someone drop that in when it arrives
Feb 15 09:30:43 <lbt> to provide a consistent API to MeeGo-ish package data
Feb 15 09:30:51 <timeless> that sounds tolerably usable
Feb 15 09:30:57 <timeless> OCS seems like an utter waste of effort
Feb 15 09:30:58 <lbt> I want to ensure it doesn't clash with bergie's work
Feb 15 09:31:19 <lbt> OCS is about as much use to you as openGL
Feb 15 09:31:30 <lbt> doesn't mean it's not relevant to other people
Feb 15 09:31:39 <lbt> so don't be so offensive
Feb 15 09:31:41 <bergie> lbt: the OCS stuff is mainly intended for "app store"-like clients
Feb 15 09:31:57 <bergie> it could be used for reporting, but that isn't really the intended purpose
Feb 15 09:32:08 <timeless> s/of/of *my*/
Feb 15 09:32:09 <infobot> timeless meant: OCS seems like an utter waste of *my* effort
Feb 15 09:32:22 <lbt> bergie: yeah - I wasn't sure how REVS/OCS would interact (if at all)
Feb 15 09:32:32 <lbt> quim had an issue on one bug report
Feb 15 09:32:38 <lbt> and it makes sense just to check
Feb 15 09:32:52 <timeless> lbt: yeah, the comparison w/ openGL is pretty accurate
Feb 15 09:33:37 <lbt> especially since REVS may now watch community areas if I get my way (which is not likely)
Feb 15 09:34:49 <mauricelynch> Dijit: Thanks :)
Feb 15 09:34:57 <timeless> yeah, that's also a problem
Feb 15 09:35:14 <timeless> i'm not interested in implementing something that only covers 30-70% of a problem space
Feb 15 09:35:37 <timeless> if i have to do something else for the other side, and that something else works on both sides, then, it's just extra effort for no gain
Feb 15 09:36:29 <sivang> morning
Feb 15 09:36:43 <sivang> timeless: what are you implementing? :)
Feb 15 09:36:54 <timeless> sivang: same thing i'm always implementing :)
Feb 15 09:37:02 <sivang> timeless: microb/firefox?
Feb 15 09:37:13 <timeless> pbbt
Feb 15 09:37:21 * sivang googles
Feb 15 09:38:03 <sivang> http://www.pbbt.com/pbbt.shtml ?
Feb 15 09:43:01 <RST38h> raster: LiMo is nice but will we see open devices with it at the MWC?
Feb 15 09:43:52 <RST38h> XML == bunch of non-programmers reinventing hierarchical data storage and predictably failing at it
Feb 15 09:44:05 <RST38h> Hence json.
Feb 15 09:44:30 <raster> RST38h: can't say :)
Feb 15 09:44:45 <RST38h> raster <== positively evil
Feb 15 09:44:49 <raster> i just dont like xml because its verbose as all bejesus...
Feb 15 09:44:57 <raster> and requires PARSING
Feb 15 09:44:59 <raster> i hate parsing
Feb 15 09:45:15 <RST38h> raster: If you do not like XML, check out XPath, XSLT, XSD, etc
Feb 15 09:45:20 <raster> why people arent happy with nice container binary formats i dont know :)
Feb 15 09:45:21 <raster> eg
Feb 15 09:45:25 <raster> HEAD
Feb 15 09:45:29 <raster> SIZE
Feb 15 09:45:32 <raster> DATA
Feb 15 09:45:34 <raster> DATA
Feb 15 09:45:36 <raster> ...
Feb 15 09:45:41 <raster> HEAD
Feb 15 09:45:42 <raster> SIZE
Feb 15 09:45:43 <raster> DATA
Feb 15 09:45:46 <raster> ..
Feb 15 09:45:47 <raster> etc.
Feb 15 09:45:49 <raster> and just let u ned them
Feb 15 09:46:09 <RST38h> raster: And if your stomach is still full, check the available tools, THAT inevitably causes people to throw up
Feb 15 09:46:24 <raster> any element of a list  can be insta-skipped by just movign forward SIZE bytes :)
Feb 15 09:46:48 <RST38h> raster: You are describing IFF format (Hello, AmigaOS)
Feb 15 09:46:53 <raster> u can also throw in tag names into the data segment trivially
Feb 15 09:47:01 <raster> RST38h: indeed i am :)
Feb 15 09:47:10 <raster> what do u think i grew up on? :)
Feb 15 09:47:25 <RST38h> Yes, it is one way to store hierarchical data (also see SNMP, XRDB, and to some degree .INI files)
Feb 15 09:47:26 <raster> my trusty a500
Feb 15 09:47:32 <raster> and before that c64's and vic20's
Feb 15 09:47:33 <raster> :)
Feb 15 09:47:34 <RST38h> A2000 then A3000 here
Feb 15 09:47:48 <raster> oh hyper high-end
Feb 15 09:48:06 <RST38h> Unfortunately, non-geeks do not understand this binary crap, they like little roman letters and cute brackets :)
Feb 15 09:48:19 <javispedro>  cute?
Feb 15 09:48:24 <RST38h> raster: Bought both used, for relatively cheap
Feb 15 09:48:47 <raster> RST38h: just provide a compielr/decompiler :)
Feb 15 09:49:08 <raster> RST38h:  used... damn. i had to get my s500 new in 88
Feb 15 09:49:11 <raster> err a500
Feb 15 09:49:23 <raster> not cheap
Feb 15 09:49:38 <RST38h> I used MSX in 88
Feb 15 09:50:12 <RST38h> And a bunch of self-made machines immediately after that
Feb 15 09:50:41 <raster> msx
Feb 15 09:50:44 <raster> god.. wow
Feb 15 09:50:45 <raster> niche!
Feb 15 09:51:01 <RST38h> Maybe niche where you were, but not in .SU
Feb 15 09:51:24 <RST38h> Amiga was rather niche there though, mostly owned by musicians and video studios
Feb 15 09:51:33 <raster> hmmm
Feb 15 09:51:42 <raster> non-globalized world back then
Feb 15 09:51:43 <raster> :)
Feb 15 09:51:58 <ab> yep, MSX were almost everywhere, along with PDP-10/11 offsprings
Feb 15 09:52:22 <raster> not in au
Feb 15 09:52:28 <raster> i had heard of them
Feb 15 09:52:32 <raster> never seen one
Feb 15 09:52:41 <RST38h> ab: There even was a PDP-11-compatible pocket calculator!
Feb 15 09:52:52 <Tm_T> Memotech <3
Feb 15 09:52:58 <ab> :)
Feb 15 09:53:35 <RST38h> ab: http://www.computer-museum.ru/histussr/mk_85_1.htm
Feb 15 09:54:20 <ab> RST38h, yep, actually worked with that circa 86
Feb 15 09:54:32 <RST38h> ab: I still have it back in the US.
Feb 15 09:54:43 <raster> tho back in 80's the amiga (a1000, a500) did run rings around the msx in hw
Feb 15 09:54:58 <raster> u didnt get much better than those 2 back then
Feb 15 09:55:03 <RST38h> raster: Yes, but it also was not imported in such huge numbers
Feb 15 09:55:06 <raster> yeah
Feb 15 09:55:16 <raster> shame it didnt get a big enough following
Feb 15 09:55:20 <raster> anyway
Feb 15 09:55:28 <raster> iff was good :)
Feb 15 09:55:30 <ab> in 80ies I was mostly playing with BK-0010/11, Corvette and MSX
Feb 15 09:55:34 <RST38h> raster: While the ministry of education imported hundreds of Yamaha YIS503s
Feb 15 09:55:39 <raster> i have ever since been influence by it :)
Feb 15 09:55:50 <raster> eet is very iff-ey
Feb 15 09:56:01 <raster> with well... some zippiness thrown in
Feb 15 09:56:03 <RST38h> raster: IFF is still being used, just not hyped
Feb 15 09:56:19 <raster> and crammed into a shared lib with an api so u can forget about the format of goop
Feb 15 09:56:29 <raster> and also decompile/compile to and from text too
Feb 15 09:56:52 <raster> it lets me fire and forget for data storage and loading
Feb 15 09:57:01 <raster> and i also get to not worry about performance :)
Feb 15 09:58:24 <timeless> ok, i now have a script which can identify files from 1.0, 1.1, and turnk
Feb 15 09:58:27 <timeless> s/turnk/trunk/
Feb 15 09:58:28 <infobot> timeless meant: ok, i now have a script which can identify files from 1.0, 1.1, and trunk
Feb 15 09:59:01 <RST38h> raster: About the guy who developed AmigaOS: ""I went to see the person writing this operating system," he remembered. "We flew out to his home, where he was writing this software on a bunch of early Sun workstations. He had about four or five Suns and a big cage with a rabbit in it. And he spent a lot of time talking to the rabbit."
Feb 15 09:59:41 <timeless> heh
Feb 15 09:59:41 <RST38h> Apparently, talking to a rabbit is useful, design wise. I wonder who Elop is tlaking to =)
Feb 15 10:00:13 <javispedro> a dancing monkey
Feb 15 10:00:14 <raster> RST38h: hhahahaha
Feb 15 10:00:25 <thresh> moroning
Feb 15 10:00:27 <zx2c4> yo
Feb 15 10:00:27 <raster> i have a cat for that
Feb 15 10:00:32 <talmaiMAD> hi peeps.
Feb 15 10:00:32 <raster> my cat's name is malloc
Feb 15 10:00:34 <RST38h> hello thresh
Feb 15 10:00:39 <thresh> anyone tried meego on archos 101 tablet?
Feb 15 10:00:39 <zx2c4> so what the hells gonna happen
Feb 15 10:00:45 <talmaiMAD> decided to participate in meego project since Nokia gave up
Feb 15 10:00:53 <raster> most of the time he doesn't have a lot to say about making a design decision
Feb 15 10:00:54 <RST38h> raster: Does he ever...mm...free? Or does he eventually dump core?
Feb 15 10:01:00 <raster> except maybe "prrrrrr"
Feb 15 10:01:11 <raster> RST38h: dumps core
Feb 15 10:01:17 <raster> heap overrun
Feb 15 10:01:23 <RST38h> Oh, condolences
Feb 15 10:01:29 <raster> luckily he dumps in his sandbox
Feb 15 10:01:32 <raster> so its contained
Feb 15 10:01:33 <raster> :)
Feb 15 10:01:45 <Tm_T> zx2c4: life happens, just like every day
Feb 15 10:01:55 <zx2c4> i waited so long for meego
Feb 15 10:02:01 <zx2c4> i'm using a nokia phone from 2002
Feb 15 10:02:09 <zx2c4> anxiously been waiting to upgrade to a meego device
Feb 15 10:02:12 <zx2c4> now what?
Feb 15 10:02:34 <zx2c4> spent time learning Qt... I don't want to learn android or objective-c
Feb 15 10:02:48 <zx2c4> what do i do?
Feb 15 10:03:09 <mikhas> give up. obviously learning *yet another toolkit* is just a waste of time
Feb 15 10:03:10 <Tm_T> zx2c4: meego isn't going anywhere, it's still developed and used
Feb 15 10:03:40 <Tm_T> zx2c4: if you really insist you need nokia device with meego, n900 is prolly the way to go
Feb 15 10:03:58 <raster> could just install the x86 meego on a pc :)
Feb 15 10:04:01 <raster> dont need a device
Feb 15 10:04:02 <raster> :)
Feb 15 10:04:12 <talmaiMAD> Tm_T, is Meego usable on an N900? I mean does it run smooth enough?
Feb 15 10:04:14 <timeless> sivang: good job. you might be able to compete on Jeopardy :)
Feb 15 10:04:19 <zx2c4> I guess... I had looked forward to developing OSS mobile apps
Feb 15 10:04:26 <ab> raster, how far we are from SLP being public?
Feb 15 10:04:40 <Tm_T> talmaiMAD: no idea, I don't own any meego-capable device
Feb 15 10:04:57 <raster> ab: i can tell you many things. that is one thing i cannot tell you :) you may now ask another question :)
Feb 15 10:05:15 <sivang> timeless: heh :)
Feb 15 10:05:17 <Tm_T> raster: there's non-sssesomething binaries available these days?
Feb 15 10:05:19 <raster> (really sorry there. being open only goes so far :()
Feb 15 10:05:32 <ab> raster, that's fine, I'm not really expecting you to break your contract :)
Feb 15 10:05:55 <timeless> sivang: finla question. the name of the recent contestant. Please remember to state your answer in the form of a question.
Feb 15 10:05:59 <timeless> s/finla/final/
Feb 15 10:05:59 <infobot> timeless meant: sivang: final question. the name of the recent contestant. Please remember to state your answer in the form of a question.
Feb 15 10:06:26 <raster> i can say that we havent had any change in direction or layoffs or downsizing etc. :) its full steam ahead here. i'm getting lost in all the groups and enigneers involved
Feb 15 10:06:27 <sivang> timeless: oh that is hard
Feb 15 10:06:32 <raster> keep finding out about new ones al lthe time
Feb 15 10:06:52 <RST38h> raster: But do understand that in the light of the recent news, SLP looks like the only opportunity to have a decent handset
Feb 15 10:06:53 <sivang> raster: working for Nokia?
Feb 15 10:07:06 * sivang googles for SLP
Feb 15 10:07:07 <ab> sivang, no, he is from Samsung's empire
Feb 15 10:07:12 <raster> sivang:  nahp.
Feb 15 10:07:17 <RST38h> raster: So, a lot of people here will be getting restless about it just about now ;)
Feb 15 10:07:22 <raster> im from the evil empire of the east
Feb 15 10:07:35 * raster throws kimchi around the channel
Feb 15 10:07:46 <timeless> raster: i don't suppose you could write 'Qt' without a capital 'T' on http://www.rasterman.com/ ?
Feb 15 10:07:59 <sivang> raster: oh, I have a good friend who was a product manager in the israli branch before it got downsized heavily :-)
Feb 15 10:08:03 <raster> RST38h: totally understand. it's also what i wanted. REAL linux handsets
Feb 15 10:08:04 <ab> raster, I guess many people wouldn't mind if east empire would open R&D northwest ;)
Feb 15 10:08:09 <RST38h> raster: write it as "qt", make him happy ;)
Feb 15 10:08:11 <raster> like kernel, userspace, x11, etc. etc.
Feb 15 10:08:12 <sivang> timeless: lol
Feb 15 10:08:14 <timeless> oh, and then spell 'MeeGo' with a capital 'G' on the same
Feb 15 10:08:28 <sivang> raster: Qt on MeeGo :-)
Feb 15 10:08:37 <raster> its all working like a charm atm. silky smooth. pretty solid "works for me" :)
Feb 15 10:10:10 <raster> timeless: i could... there. happy?
Feb 15 10:10:17 <dneary> hi
Feb 15 10:10:28 <sivang> raster: nice, using your own crafted linux based cut right ?
Feb 15 10:10:28 <dneary> Anyone know what the IRC log file format we use is?
Feb 15 10:10:39 <RST38h> dneary: ASCII :)
Feb 15 10:10:40 <Stskeeps> dneary: which one of the sites?
Feb 15 10:10:42 <timeless> raster: dunno, is the page cached?
Feb 15 10:10:45 <dneary> More specifically, is it in this list? http://code.google.com/p/superseriousstats/wiki/LogfileFormats
Feb 15 10:10:49 <sivang> RST38h: lol
Feb 15 10:10:51 <dneary> RST38h, They're all ascii
Feb 15 10:10:56 <sivang> timeless: stop using chrom!
Feb 15 10:10:57 <dneary> We're talking interchange here
Feb 15 10:10:59 <sivang> timeless: :-p
Feb 15 10:11:08 * timeless wonders if this box even has chrome
Feb 15 10:11:12 <sivang> timeless: I stopped and I have a pretty life now
Feb 15 10:11:23 <timeless> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0b12pre) Gecko/20110214 Firefox/4.0b12pre
Feb 15 10:11:24 <Stskeeps> dneary: i think i convert to irssi format
Feb 15 10:11:27 <dneary> Stskeeps, I want to get the logs parsed & into a database for analytics
Feb 15 10:11:37 <dneary> Stskeeps, Cool, thanks
Feb 15 10:11:39 <sivang> it happesn so that all of my browsing problem were due to Chrome.
Feb 15 10:11:40 <Stskeeps> dneary: ok, that's possible
Feb 15 10:11:44 <sivang> timeless: great.
Feb 15 10:11:57 <sivang> timeless: embracing the change? ;)
Feb 15 10:12:04 <sivang> timeless: re: os string
Feb 15 10:12:10 * sivang stops trolling
Feb 15 10:12:10 <timeless> sivang: avoiding disruption
Feb 15 10:12:15 <sivang> timeless: hahah
Feb 15 10:12:16 <raster> god damn silly capitalization goop
Feb 15 10:12:17 <raster> there
Feb 15 10:12:41 <dneary> Stskeeps, When you say "that's possible", you mean by modifying the logger, or using SSS to parse the logs?
Feb 15 10:12:41 <dneary> Stskeeps, Easiest is to use upstream standard tools that already work togetherr :)
Feb 15 10:12:42 <timeless> raster: and MeeGo? :)
Feb 15 10:13:08 <timeless> raster: thanks for fixing Qt
Feb 15 10:13:16 <raster> sivang: yes. we have crafted our own os .. its basically debian - we rebuilt it all from scratch but its the same deb package names and content etc. for pretty much all of it
Feb 15 10:13:36 <sivang> Stskeeps: any idea where latest daily image went? I wanted to see if there's a newer image and there's only the kernel left at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel/
Feb 15 10:13:47 <sivang> raster: not bad.
Feb 15 10:14:01 <timeless> raster: sorry. personal opinion, if you're going to claim to be a  serious savy person in a given domain, you should be able to properly identify the other groups in that domain
Feb 15 10:14:15 <RST38h> timeless <-- obviously a wikipedian
Feb 15 10:14:21 <RST38h> With the small "w" too
Feb 15 10:14:52 <timeless> given that Nokia and Apple are hypothetically in a common domain and given that Apple has a product called 'QT' (and has for well over a decade), it's really not a good idea to use incorrect capitalization
Feb 15 10:15:02 <timeless> as for MeeGo, well....
Feb 15 10:15:20 <raster> timeless: if other groups choose bizarre capitalizations - i'm not going to go research the "right capitalization" when its irrelevant to the topic :)
Feb 15 10:15:30 <lpotter> I prefer m33g0
Feb 15 10:15:35 <timeless> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego_%28TV_series%29 <- that's Meego with a lowercase G
Feb 15 10:15:48 <raster> if i called evas EvAs
Feb 15 10:15:48 <timeless> and again, MeeGo the family is theoretically going to be involved in the TV space
Feb 15 10:15:52 <raster> and u didnt captialize it right
Feb 15 10:15:55 <raster> i wouldnt give a hoot
Feb 15 10:16:09 <raster> it doesnt mean you know any more or less about the topic at hand :)
Feb 15 10:16:15 * Lynoure prefers Mi-Go
Feb 15 10:16:21 <raster> but maybe thats just me
Feb 15 10:16:23 <timeless> is that Ethylene Vinyl Acetate ?
Feb 15 10:16:26 <sivang> raster: it is going to be completely open source including drivers and everything?
Feb 15 10:16:39 <raster> i've learned that a boosk cover is more often than not far from the reality of its content
Feb 15 10:16:44 <sivang> raster: you'd be surprised to learn how much good strings make you look professional and polished.
Feb 15 10:16:56 <raster> i've interviewed enough candidates to notice a trend
Feb 15 10:17:00 <raster> the better the dressed
Feb 15 10:17:07 <raster> ties, suits.. nice shiny shoes
Feb 15 10:17:09 <raster> the less they knew
Feb 15 10:17:15 <raster> the more useless they were
Feb 15 10:17:24 <Lynoure> raster: I wonder what you'd make of me =)
Feb 15 10:17:28 <raster> it was a pretty strong trend after having maybe interviewed 40 or 50
Feb 15 10:17:44 <raster> this was at an investment bank though
Feb 15 10:17:48 <sivang> raster: some companies have a code of conduct for attire
Feb 15 10:17:48 <raster> so who knows :)
Feb 15 10:18:05 <raster> Svendsen:  open source what can be made open source
Feb 15 10:18:12 <raster> cant control 3rd party drivers
Feb 15 10:18:23 <raster> eg opengl libs - there are zero open drivers for arm soc's
Feb 15 10:18:24 <raster> for those
Feb 15 10:18:30 <raster> if u have an nvidia tegra2
Feb 15 10:18:36 <raster> u wont be shipping any source for opengl
Feb 15 10:18:43 <raster> same with any thing with an SGX
Feb 15 10:18:49 <raster> or mali
Feb 15 10:18:58 <RST38h> Ah, who cares, just ship stable binary drivers
Feb 15 10:19:00 <raster> or qualcomm too
Feb 15 10:19:01 <timeless> raster: what did you do at the bank?
Feb 15 10:19:04 <RST38h> As long as they WORK!
Feb 15 10:19:12 <raster> timeless: unix architect
Feb 15 10:19:17 <raster> in tokyo
Feb 15 10:19:25 <raster> for the asia region
Feb 15 10:19:31 <timeless> candidates were local?
Feb 15 10:19:51 <raster> they were almost entirely westerners who happned to be in tokyo
Feb 15 10:19:59 <timeless> ok
Feb 15 10:20:04 <raster> the place was peerry much western
Feb 15 10:20:10 <raster> like 80%+
Feb 15 10:20:16 <timeless> wow
Feb 15 10:21:18 <raster> full of poms, aussies, yanks, cehnucks, french... and some japanese :)
Feb 15 10:21:52 <RST38h> raster: sounds delicious
Feb 15 10:22:41 <sivang> RST38h: food fusion?
Feb 15 10:22:47 <raster> hahahahah
Feb 15 10:22:56 * timeless didn't recognize poms=british
Feb 15 10:22:59 <raster> it wasnt a bad place
Feb 15 10:23:09 <raster> it was heavily built on linux
Feb 15 10:23:20 <raster> trading farm and server infra all linux boxen
Feb 15 10:23:39 <raster> with some dwindling sun boxen getting the boot
Feb 15 10:26:46 <timeless> so, who suggested i look at repodata?
Feb 15 10:27:05 <timeless> afaict repodata doesn't actually give me much useful info
Feb 15 10:27:22 <timeless> e.g. http://repo.m2.org/MeeGo/updates/1.0/core/repos/source/repodata/7bf577c2ed3ce0bf4c9a7c101ba2898544b73ef0c4b60e3e9dc645f427f1b7a0-primary.xml.gz shows 2 versions of Qt
Feb 15 10:27:31 <sivang> http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/
Feb 15 10:27:33 <timeless> which means i'm stuck figuring out which one i'd actually want
Feb 15 10:27:46 <timeless> sivang: nseries isn't dead yet?
Feb 15 10:27:50 <dneary> Hi raster
Feb 15 10:28:15 <sivang> timeless: look at the date
Feb 15 10:28:21 <sivang> 15.02.2011
Feb 15 10:28:30 <dneary> raster, Is EFL being used on MeeGo, or is there a potential Linaro hook-up, or are you just in here to gloat? ;)
Feb 15 10:28:58 <smoku> raster, there is an open driver for snapdragon 3D.  not from qualcom though ;-)
Feb 15 10:29:25 <raster> dneary:  dave! wassap!
Feb 15 10:29:34 <dneary> stuff
Feb 15 10:29:39 <sivang> heh
Feb 15 10:29:59 <raster> dneary: i've been lurking here for a while
Feb 15 10:30:12 <dneary> I hear Intel are showing off a table this year - codename "bitter pill"
Feb 15 10:30:16 <raster> dneary: not glaoting - more here just to see wassap in meego-land
Feb 15 10:30:22 <dneary> tableT
Feb 15 10:30:35 <Stskeeps> dneary: i wouldn't mind a table running MeeGo..
Feb 15 10:30:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 15 10:30:41 <dneary> Things are going swimmingly, thanks for asking :)
Feb 15 10:30:43 <sivang> me too
Feb 15 10:30:44 <raster> smoku: thats my point. someone reverse enigneered.. some of it at least
Feb 15 10:30:53 * sivang goes to fetch old daily from laptop
Feb 15 10:30:54 <raster> probablky not a full driver
Feb 15 10:31:17 <raster> i know the kernel bits are open for qcm stuff and powervr stuff
Feb 15 10:31:21 <raster> for nvidia too as i gather
Feb 15 10:31:26 <raster> but userspace for all is closed
Feb 15 10:31:38 <dneary> Stskeeps, Reminds me of this project: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2oMmCyiJZA
Feb 15 10:31:43 <raster> dneary:  awesome.
Feb 15 10:32:05 <dneary> raster, How about where you are? LiMo 4 announced today, I see
Feb 15 10:32:17 <raster> dneary:  all is going swimmingly here
Feb 15 10:32:23 <raster> more a problem of being able to keep up
Feb 15 10:32:26 <raster> too much stuff happening
Feb 15 10:32:44 <raster> indeed limo4 was announced
Feb 15 10:32:51 <dneary> raster, Great! Looks like Samsung basically still-born Bada though... haven't heard a thing about it in a year
Feb 15 10:32:56 <raster> tho that isnt in and of itself anything that interesting
Feb 15 10:33:05 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: get an Archos101. the first units were shipped with a letter missing ;)
Feb 15 10:33:22 <dneary> Interesting in the context of Samsung staying committed to the LiMo route...
Feb 15 10:33:23 <raster> what would be is an actual product launching with a decent linux on it with an sdk that you can actually buy and use and hack away at :)
Feb 15 10:33:41 <dneary> You are an ambitious little boy, aren't you?
Feb 15 10:33:54 <dneary> Why, if you wanted that, you'd have to use Android ;)
Feb 15 10:34:45 <raster> lucky for me i am surrounded by such little beauties with their friendly little glowing screens giving me a moon-tan :)
Feb 15 10:34:53 <dneary> hehe
Feb 15 10:35:02 <dneary> Anyway... more work!
Feb 15 10:35:05 <dneary> Bye
Feb 15 10:35:40 <thresh> dm8tbr: how does one run meego on archos 101 ?
Feb 15 10:35:46 <thresh> dm8tbr: I happen to have one here :)
Feb 15 10:36:38 <dm8tbr> thresh: well, so far we're not thaaat far yet. step one is to install the SDE enabler firmware
Feb 15 10:37:06 <dm8tbr> core somewhat worked but I'd need to check again for watchdogs etc.
Feb 15 10:37:12 <dm8tbr> others are working on the SGX driver
Feb 15 10:37:21 <dm8tbr> sadly no joy with the n900 backports
Feb 15 10:37:58 <dm8tbr> so we're hoping bug 5616 goes magically away or that the sgx core on 36xx silicon is not hit by it...
Feb 15 10:38:01 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled
Feb 15 10:38:25 <dm8tbr> I'm sure the tablet UX will give this a push
Feb 15 10:38:37 <dm8tbr> so we're waiting for those sources to happen too
Feb 15 10:38:50 <Khertan> http://twitter.com/#!/limofoundation/statuses/37247936605724672 <<< hihi
Feb 15 10:39:11 <Khertan> limofoundation: LiMo hopes to gain from Nokia-Microsoft pact - http://tinyurl.com/6jg825w
Feb 15 10:49:29 <timeless> dneary: so, who do i have to bribe to get meego.com to use www.?
Feb 15 10:49:42 <timeless> not using www. means that i can't do site: w/ google
Feb 15 10:49:44 <dneary> timeless, I'd ask Mike Shaver
Feb 15 10:49:49 <dneary> Or Elliot Smith
Feb 15 10:50:00 <dneary> lbt or X-Fade would know better than me, though
Feb 15 10:50:17 <timeless> also, anyone know why http://meego.com/users gives some user?
Feb 15 10:50:22 <dneary> And there are some Nokia people on that team too, but I never see them out in daylighht
Feb 15 10:51:07 <dneary> timeless, Yes, yes I do.
Feb 15 10:51:26 <timeless> dneary: that's because we don't have daylight here :(
Feb 15 10:51:36 <lbt> timeless: do you seriously think that that is a good use of our time right now?
Feb 15 10:51:36 <timeless> dneary: cool, why?
Feb 15 10:51:46 <dneary> The arctic circle would be a great place to be a vampire
Feb 15 10:51:49 * lbt starts ignoring irc highlights
Feb 15 10:52:01 <dneary> timeless, It's a secret
Feb 15 10:52:14 <timeless> hey, i didn't nick highlight you, that was dneary !
Feb 15 10:52:37 <dneary> timeless, You asked me a question that I can't answer, I pointed you at the better person
Feb 15 10:52:48 <dneary> Not my fault he's grumpy. /cc lbt
Feb 15 10:52:57 <timeless> dneary: yeah, nothing wrong w/ that
Feb 15 10:53:41 * timeless is just trying to find max
Feb 15 10:54:16 <timeless> grr, is there a plan to get openid login to work the way it does at sane sites? like sf.net
Feb 15 10:54:31 <timeless> expecting me to know how to spell my openid url is just mean :(
Feb 15 10:56:00 * timeless wonders if there's an openid extension for firefoxx
Feb 15 10:56:02 <timeless> s/xx/x/
Feb 15 10:56:27 <dneary> timeless, Can you find any user account older that 52 weeks & 12 hours?
Feb 15 10:56:56 <dneary> (mshaver is older... that's that theory blown out of the water)
Feb 15 10:57:53 <timeless> dneary: i can't find a search ui that has anything remotely sane
Feb 15 10:58:26 <timeless> http://meego.com/search/node/ivanov in advanced doesn't offer 'user' as a search choice
Feb 15 10:58:52 <timeless> but no, i can't find shaver or mshaver
Feb 15 10:59:07 <dneary> users/mshaver
Feb 15 10:59:27 <timeless> well, sure, if i knew the user name i wouldn't need to go searching for it
Feb 15 10:59:30 <timeless> ...
Feb 15 10:59:51 * timeless is starving
Feb 15 10:59:56 * timeless should go looking for breakfast
Feb 15 10:59:56 <dneary> I dunno - maybe userid 42 is chosen by default in Drupal if you go to /users
Feb 15 11:00:04 <timeless> heh
Feb 15 11:00:13 <dneary> And a user search for shaver gives mshaver
Feb 15 11:00:48 * timeless wonders how to find a user search
Feb 15 11:20:15 <Hardeep> okay I am dying of confusion here... can someone explain what the difference between the pre-alfa meego tablet ui and intel mego ui is? The intel on looks like it went backwards in functionality. There is no longer that arrow to open the "icon's home page".
Feb 15 11:20:27 <Hardeep> etc
Feb 15 11:20:42 <timeless> dneary: where is this mystical user search ui? :((
Feb 15 11:20:47 <Stskeeps> Hardeep: press windows key
Feb 15 11:21:07 <dneary> timeless, You pointed me to it yourself. The User tab above the search box
Feb 15 11:21:45 <dneary> Hardeep, I imagine that many stability issues were addressed, the touch has improved considerably, and some new apps are available
Feb 15 11:21:45 <Hardeep> Stskeeps: I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing. I'm referencing the tablet UIs
Feb 15 11:21:50 <dneary> But I'm hasarding a guess
Feb 15 11:21:58 <Stskeeps> Hardeep: yes, but i don't know what you mean by "icon's home page" :P
Feb 15 11:22:06 <timeless> dneary: did not. the ui there is so bad that i didn't realize 'users' existed or wasn't highlighted
Feb 15 11:22:24 <lcuk> Hardeep, applications evolve.  what device do you have the earlier version installed on?
Feb 15 11:22:27 <timeless> thanks though
Feb 15 11:22:44 <dneary> timeless, In search, there's "pages" and "users" or something like that
Feb 15 11:22:48 * javispedro ponders if the reason they use the Super key as "key" is because his s10-3t front keys module used Super.
Feb 15 11:23:10 <Hardeep> watch at 1:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU they switch to the page mode I'm talking about
Feb 15 11:23:27 <timeless> dneary: yeah, when you pointed me to it again, i saw 'users'
Feb 15 11:23:37 <timeless> that "tab" ui is horribly broken
Feb 15 11:24:38 <Hardeep> Stskeeps: were you able to figure out what I mean?
Feb 15 11:25:09 <Stskeeps> Hardeep: not exactly, but did you try to install the ux?
Feb 15 11:25:41 <lcuk> Hardeep, I would say get a diff of both versions, but since you have not got the original (ie vapourware) the best/simplest would be to file a feature request to put it back "because you saw it on a video"
Feb 15 11:26:58 <treebeen> http://www.youtube.com/user/MeeGoZone#p/u/1/6ukQdlkmSDA
Feb 15 11:27:22 <Hardeep> lcuk: so its safe to assume it was removed? I have read that Intel is keeping only the scrolling view
Feb 15 11:27:28 <Hardeep> panel mode*
Feb 15 11:27:41 <lcuk> Hardeep, you have the released code in front of you
Feb 15 11:28:15 <lcuk> just like any development process things evolve, if you care about this feature, chase it.
Feb 15 11:29:07 <Hardeep> lcuk: fair enough seems I will have to investigate further. I was just being optimistic that someone knew if it was scrapped. I have been following meego for a while however I have not got into any technical details
Feb 15 11:30:11 <forcer> Hardeep: have you thought about why it was scrapped? I don't think they would do it without reason
Feb 15 11:30:17 <Hardeep> Thanks god for the community and the other players in meego because Nokia just ripped my heart in half :(
Feb 15 11:30:45 <forcer> Hardeep: elop did, not nokia :)
Feb 15 11:30:59 <Hardeep> focer: yes elop* did sorry
Feb 15 11:31:47 <lcuk> in other things, is that carrypad resistive? the guy is using his fingernail
Feb 15 11:33:07 <Hardeep> lcuk: he appears to be using the edge of his fingers
Feb 15 11:33:34 <Hardeep> luck: looks more like a capacitive scree,n
Feb 15 11:34:02 <lcuk> bah, at fosdem, my ideapad would not work outside because of capacitive
Feb 15 11:35:29 <arfoll> lcuk, why would it not work outside?
Feb 15 11:35:46 <timeless> lcuk: too mmuch moisture?
Feb 15 11:35:47 <lofty306> what pkg system meego usse?
Feb 15 11:35:50 <Hardeep> lcuk: yes unfortunately most of these companies use the capacitive screens now just the way of the future my friend
Feb 15 11:35:54 <timeless> lofty306: rpm
Feb 15 11:36:12 * lofty306 bangs head on kb
Feb 15 11:36:20 <lcuk> temperature I guess, it went very spotty and unresponsive, but back inside it was fine
Feb 15 11:36:29 <arfoll> i've never had a problem outside with my nexus one's screen...
Feb 15 11:36:52 <arfoll> i think blaming it on capacitive screens would be going a little far ;-)
Feb 15 11:37:00 <Kevin_B> hi all,
Feb 15 11:37:06 <Hardeep> :)
Feb 15 11:37:13 <lcuk> Hardeep, if we rest on low resolution input being a way of the future then I will be saddened.
Feb 15 11:37:53 <lcuk> it is nice to have and good in some respects, but it is a step backwards in others.
Feb 15 11:37:55 <lofty306> you serious timakima ?
Feb 15 11:38:00 <lofty306> ack
Feb 15 11:38:04 <lofty306> you serious timeless
Feb 15 11:38:06 <Hardeep> lcuk: are there any alternatives you suggest?
Feb 15 11:38:20 <Kevin_B> when u think the next handset device running meego, will b released?
Feb 15 11:38:26 <lcuk> Hardeep, my N900 laughs at the puny cold.
Feb 15 11:39:06 <lcuk> there are other high resolution input devices which may be suitable for a dual layer input method
Feb 15 11:39:15 <lcuk> low resolution capacitive with high resolution stylus
Feb 15 11:39:23 <Hardeep> lcuk: lol because the N900 is a fantastic device
Feb 15 11:39:26 <timeless> lofty306: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=meego+package+format+rpm
Feb 15 11:39:54 <lofty306> ?nice timeless
Feb 15 11:40:04 <lofty306> havent seen that oone in years
Feb 15 11:40:26 <Hardeep> I swear if someone gives me an official meego device I will develop till I wish I was no longer a CSS
Feb 15 11:40:32 <Tumi_> timeless: :D
Feb 15 11:41:07 <Hardeep> by someone I mean the manufacturing sector haha
Feb 15 11:41:21 <Hardeep> aka now intel
Feb 15 11:41:23 <Hardeep> -_-
Feb 15 11:41:50 <lofty306> or a bunch of others
Feb 15 11:42:19 <Hardeep> lofty306: care to point some other promising ones in my direction?
Feb 15 11:42:56 <Hardeep> lofty306: preferably phone or tablet specific
Feb 15 11:43:22 <Hardeep> I don't think I want to get into developing car software haha
Feb 15 11:43:36 <lofty306> dunno yet i jumpped in yesterday and am still just seeing what is comming outta WMC
Feb 15 11:43:51 <Hardeep> lofty306: fair enough
Feb 15 11:44:18 * lofty306 shakes his head at rpm... hope it works better thaan in the past 
Feb 15 11:44:34 <lcuk> Stskeeps, did you generate the IRC stats for DawnFoster yet?
Feb 15 11:44:42 <Stskeeps> yes
Feb 15 11:44:53 <lcuk> oooh, do you have link
Feb 15 11:46:32 <Hardeep> anyone heard any news on the fate of Qt?
Feb 15 11:46:57 <Stskeeps> Hardeep: still alive
Feb 15 11:47:46 <Hardeep> Stskeeps: hopefully it stays that way... :D
Feb 15 11:55:42 <foolano> hi
Feb 15 11:56:49 <foolano> i'm using this image: meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.12.20100727.1-sdk-pre0901.raw.tar.bz2. I would like to install poppler-qt4, is there any repo I could use?
Feb 15 11:57:19 <deno> hi there
Feb 15 11:57:32 <niala1> hi, it's raining again.... lalalalalala
Feb 15 11:57:56 <lcuk> it is always raining somewhere in the world.
Feb 15 11:58:08 <lcuk> thankfully, the sun is also shining too, so it balances out.
Feb 15 11:58:55 <Alison_Chaiken> javispedro, I hear that you have investigated the question of display swivel on IdeaPad generating a catchable event.   With 1.1 netbook UX, I don't see anything with "udevadm monitor" or "xev," but maybe 1.2 touch system addresses this?
Feb 15 11:59:13 <Kevin_B> lcuk : Sun is not shining at all now...
Feb 15 11:59:30 <Kevin_B> The great Computing Oracle said so already
Feb 15 11:59:32 <Hardeep> well gnite people and thanks for the information I will be back soon :)
Feb 15 11:59:34 <niala1> often is here lcuk... drought on one side, another flood
Feb 15 12:00:48 <timoph> foolano: that image is almost antique
Feb 15 12:00:55 <javispedro> Alison_Chaiken: I don't know what exactly the 1.2 roadmap is, but I published a kmod that made some events (like swivel or front buttons) avail
Feb 15 12:01:24 <javispedro> it should be on the meego.com forum, at the s10-3t improvements thread
Feb 15 12:01:38 <Alison_Chaiken> Thanks javispedro, I will have a look.
Feb 15 12:03:57 <foolano> timoph: i see. may i ask where the lastest image is? I followed a tutorial on the meego wiki and that's where i found the link to that image
Feb 15 12:05:07 <niala1> javispedro: question: have s10-3t right clic on touchscreen ?
Feb 15 12:06:43 <javispedro> niala1: how? if anything, it will be software emulation
Feb 15 12:07:00 <niala1> ok
Feb 15 12:07:25 <timeless> on windows, you get a circle if you hold long enough
Feb 15 12:07:32 * timeless never understood what that was for
Feb 15 12:08:17 <niala1> sometimes right clic is important
Feb 15 12:08:57 <javispedro> timeless: right clic if you lift the finger during the circle animation, left click hold event otherwise
Feb 15 12:09:26 <javispedro> (so that a window doesn't get left hold event first then right click)
Feb 15 12:09:26 <timeless> :o
Feb 15 12:11:04 <foolano> this one seems to be more recent: meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20110104.1305-raw.tar.bz2
Feb 15 12:12:05 <timeless> javispedro: is that a convention of sorts?
Feb 15 12:13:35 <lcuk> timeless, if you think thats antique, imagine my surprise at booting up development code branch from 2008
Feb 15 12:14:00 <lcuk> doh!   s/timeless/timpoh/
Feb 15 12:14:11 <lcuk> timoph even
Feb 15 12:14:15 * lcuk stops typing
Feb 15 12:14:21 <timeless> thanks :)
Feb 15 12:14:23 <timoph> foolano: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/
Feb 15 12:14:36 <timoph> lcuk: :)
Feb 15 12:15:30 <javispedro> timeless: no, operating system enforced.
Feb 15 12:15:32 <timoph> foolano: that's the most recent development image (You can build your own image if you want a newer one)
Feb 15 12:16:01 <lcuk> timoph, that was where I pulled up the organic/handwritten gpl from :)
Feb 15 12:16:12 <timoph> :)
Feb 15 12:17:13 <timeless> is 1.1 newer or older than 1.1.90?
Feb 15 12:17:23 <timoph> 1.1 is older
Feb 15 12:18:13 * niala1 note 1.1.90 is not just before 1.2  ..?
Feb 15 12:18:36 <timeless> niala1: this is linux we're talking about
Feb 15 12:18:46 <timeless> version numbers are intentionally confusing, random, and absolutely useless and untrustworthy
Feb 15 12:18:50 <lcuk> but with updates may include patches from the 1.2 branch
Feb 15 12:19:03 <lcuk> (backported from)
Feb 15 12:19:20 <timeless> there were some really great debian packages with like 4 sets of lies encoded in their versioning scheme
Feb 15 12:19:28 * timeless isn't sure offhand how to find that
Feb 15 12:19:49 <niala1> solve the problem get trunk...
Feb 15 12:19:49 <Dijit> timeless: versions.. afaik are odd for unstable or testing. even for stable
Feb 15 12:20:13 <Dijit> and go <$MAJOR>.<$MINOR>.<$REVISION>
Feb 15 12:20:15 <timeless> 1.1 is stable, no?
Feb 15 12:20:40 <timeless> version numbers are random
Feb 15 12:20:41 <Dijit> well, I keep hearing the words "it's broken" flying around, so I hope not
Feb 15 12:20:42 <Dijit> xD
Feb 15 12:20:56 <timeless> and their meaning is subject to change without proper-effective notice
Feb 15 12:22:02 <timeless> anyway, http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/crawl-meego.pl seems to do a tolerable job
Feb 15 12:22:05 <timoph> x.x.80 when trunk is open, x.x.90 feature freazed, x.x.99 for rc or something like that
Feb 15 12:22:22 <timoph> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2
Feb 15 12:22:37 <timeless> it doesn't script the repodata/ directory, but that's trivial to do
Feb 15 12:23:19 <lcuk> I drastically need to increase my broadband speed.
Feb 15 12:23:35 <timoph> lcuk: stop downloading pron
Feb 15 12:23:35 * lcuk considers phoning Virgin Media
Feb 15 12:24:19 <lcuk> timoph, tech pron, 20110214 daily-testing images for N900 and pinetrail
Feb 15 12:24:25 <timoph> :)
Feb 15 12:24:53 <lcuk> this stuff runs on silicon, not silicone
Feb 15 12:24:53 <niala1> lcuk: :) i get vinrginphone just before nokia dies. sad
Feb 15 12:25:32 <lcuk> niala1, some days I am sure my friend has better broadband out in the BVI on his yacht
Feb 15 12:26:01 <timeless> bvi?
Feb 15 12:26:16 <alterego> Heh, sat broadband isn't that bad anymore, just expensive :D
Feb 15 12:26:17 <lcuk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Virgin_Islands
Feb 15 12:26:39 <timeless> alterego: not particularly great ping times
Feb 15 12:26:50 <timeless> i don't think network Quake is recommend
Feb 15 12:26:51 <alterego> Hah, no suppose not.
Feb 15 12:27:24 <alterego> I've been doing some work for a sat broadband company, a web based accounts and network management system.
Feb 15 12:27:30 <alterego> Quite cool stuff :)
Feb 15 12:30:25 * niala1 dream for sun and beach... 
Feb 15 12:31:05 <alterego> Are there any recommended devices to run the tablet UX on?
Feb 15 12:31:15 <lcuk> whats the download link for tablet/slate ?
Feb 15 12:39:16 * lardman wonders if the tablet ux will build for ARM
Feb 15 12:39:41 <RST38h> Considering running it on N900 or a Samsung?
Feb 15 12:39:42 <Stskeeps> lardman: i'm more curious if it will be meego.com or not.
Feb 15 12:40:16 <lcuk> who has download link for it, I have no scrollback today :$
Feb 15 12:40:17 <lardman> RST38h: Samsung
Feb 15 12:40:30 <lardman> Stskeeps: yes indeed
Feb 15 12:41:10 <lardman> lcuk: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ ?
Feb 15 12:41:29 <lcuk> tablet build everyone is discussing
Feb 15 12:41:38 <lardman> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla
Feb 15 12:41:43 <niala1> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-evaluation-iso
Feb 15 12:41:46 <lardman> sorry netbook, missed that
Feb 15 12:41:49 <lcuk> lardman, I have MeeGo images for N900 and Pinetrail already downloading today
Feb 15 12:41:55 <lcuk> thanks!
Feb 15 12:48:14 <polteus> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/15/nokia_shareholders_are_revolting/
Feb 15 12:48:15 <polteus> :O
Feb 15 12:48:36 <Stskeeps> polteus: yeah, not much related to meego.com, please take it to #meego-bar :)
Feb 15 12:49:22 <smoku> https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10260  oh how I like being treated like a moron.  very proffesional of rbradford
Feb 15 12:49:24 <MeeGoBot> Bug 10260 nor, Low, ---, robert.bradford, RESO WORKSFORME, No IM conversation active indicator
Feb 15 12:49:31 <smoku> and very encouraging to report more bugs
Feb 15 12:49:43 <smoku> good work... definetely
Feb 15 12:51:18 * Stskeeps looks
Feb 15 12:51:43 <Stskeeps> smoku: netbook ux is .. interesting design, yeah
Feb 15 12:52:07 <iekku> not very nice commenting...
Feb 15 12:52:28 <smoku> Stskeeps, that's not the point
Feb 15 12:52:41 <Stskeeps> smoku: i know and it's not good behaviour either in comment or design :P
Feb 15 12:52:54 <smoku> if you are going to treat contributors like this, wave this project bye bye...
Feb 15 12:53:09 <iekku> has he invented a perpetual motion machine?
Feb 15 12:53:31 <lardman> I don't suppose the last part of your bug report had anything to do with it? "USER IMPACT: Hates MeeGo Netbook UI" ;)
Feb 15 12:53:56 <timeless> smoku: err
Feb 15 12:53:58 <Stskeeps> iekku: do we have any guidelines for good behaviour on bugtracker?
Feb 15 12:53:59 <timeless> he smiles
Feb 15 12:54:03 <timeless> and isn't particularly rude
Feb 15 12:54:12 <timeless> he's much gentler than i generally am in bug trackers
Feb 15 12:54:17 <iekku> Stskeeps, not good enough
Feb 15 12:54:28 <iekku> Stskeeps, but I will check them and add my comments
Feb 15 12:54:31 <timeless> smoku: note that i don't necessarily agree w/ him
Feb 15 12:54:45 <timeless> having had this stuff go wrong w/ nokia, i firmly believe that you're mostly right
Feb 15 12:55:10 <timeless> smoku: but... what happens if you get 1000 people im'ing you while you're away?
Feb 15 12:55:48 * lcuk has that often
Feb 15 12:56:04 <timeless> you contribute to that problem too =b
Feb 15 12:56:26 <lcuk> hehe
Feb 15 13:02:27 <lardman> with that said, there is a fundamental problem in hiding the notification bar
Feb 15 13:02:40 <lardman> unless it could be made to pop up if there were a notification
Feb 15 13:02:45 <lardman> or somesuch
Feb 15 13:03:08 <lcuk> hiding ui on touchscreens is wibbly anyway
Feb 15 13:03:32 <lardman> wibbly? Bad idea?
Feb 15 13:03:49 <lcuk> the launcher buttons on netbook ux for instance, have a pin icon in corner and an X in the shortcut bar, but you do not know the position of these nobbles until you click on the icon
Feb 15 13:03:55 <lcuk> since you cannot "hover" on touch
Feb 15 13:03:59 <lardman> ah ok
Feb 15 13:04:06 <lardman> I've not had a chance to use it, so don;t know
Feb 15 13:04:12 <lcuk> so you try to pin an app to quick launch
Feb 15 13:04:19 <lcuk> and if you miss, you launch the app itself
Feb 15 13:04:46 <iekku> Stskeeps, we definitely need more specific guidelines...
Feb 15 13:04:47 <lcuk> causing that "damn" "shit" expressions
Feb 15 13:13:48 * timeless wonders what the status on unified auth for bugzilla is
Feb 15 13:14:26 <timeless> sp3000: please remind me to ask my mac what my password for bugs-meego is
Feb 15 13:15:39 <timeless> hrm, is developer.meego.com a secret page?
Feb 15 13:17:13 <alterego> timeless: whilst it's in it's alpha/beta state yeah, they don't want google indexing or something.
Feb 15 13:17:34 <alterego> Think the u/p is developer/meego
Feb 15 13:17:41 <alterego> Or the other way around :)
Feb 15 13:17:49 <alterego> bbl
Feb 15 13:18:12 <timeless> the other way around; thanks
Feb 15 13:18:46 <timeless> ok, that looks shiny
Feb 15 13:19:31 <timeless> eventually when mxr is up, i'd hope it could trade spots w/ doxygen, but..
Feb 15 13:28:18 <mece> wow... seems intel's servers are under some seriously heavy load...
Feb 15 13:28:28 <mece> 70kb/s...
Feb 15 13:35:00 <CosmoHill> mece: what are you downloading?
Feb 15 13:36:37 <niala1> good day CosmoHill
Feb 15 13:36:46 <CosmoHill> salut niala1
Feb 15 13:38:23 <mece> CosmoHill, the tablet ui image
Feb 15 13:41:45 <lcuk> a lot of the Intel meegons being used around twitter are looking very polished.
Feb 15 13:41:56 <lcuk> were they created using the meegon editor
Feb 15 13:42:02 <lcuk> or custom artwork?
Feb 15 13:42:35 <lcuk> for instance: http://twitter.com/amybarton
Feb 15 13:44:31 <mece> there's a meegon editor?
Feb 15 13:45:40 <luist> hello im using an old customized version of garage, and i updated connman from 0.60 to 0.67... now im getting ApplicationManager::ApplicationManager connman not found  can anyone help me?
Feb 15 13:46:11 <lcuk> [PROJECT] Custom MeeGo avatar (meegon) generator    http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338
Feb 15 13:48:47 <timeless> lcuk: i think intel has an art team available, i wonder if people just ask
Feb 15 13:50:15 <lcuk> timeless, possibly
Feb 15 13:50:39 <lcuk> but theres a whole set of them that look good
Feb 15 13:50:52 <timeless> sure, and presumably they could ask the team :)
Feb 15 13:50:59 <timeless> but how do you find this set?
Feb 15 13:51:06 * timeless isn't very good w/ this web2 stuff
Feb 15 13:51:18 <lcuk> timeless, I have amybarton on my twitter
Feb 15 13:51:36 <lcuk> and remarked at how good they looked, she pointed me to some of the other folks with similar
Feb 15 13:52:14 <lcuk> http://twitter.com/amybarton/status/37271185343381504
Feb 15 13:52:21 <lcuk> @lcuk: Why, thank you! More of our AppUp Dev team's Meegonz: @bobduffy @KiraBoyko @rgunjan @intel_rhonda @obs3sd @maryanniannitti. Fun! :-)
Feb 15 13:54:43 <luist> hello im using an old customized version of garage, and i updated connman from 0.60 to 0.67... now im getting ApplicationManager::ApplicationManager connman not found  can anyone help me?
Feb 15 13:57:19 <slaine> arfoll: how did you get your meegon ?
Feb 15 14:05:21 <bunk> In case anyone is looking for a new job, the company I'm working for is looking for Software Developers in Helsinki: http://www.movial.com/aboutus/aboutmovial/careers/senior-sw-developers/
Feb 15 14:07:58 <Dijit> I'm on a contract. can't can me for 6 months.
Feb 15 14:08:28 <Dijit> they could stop me working though.. so I have no billable hours to invoice for.
Feb 15 14:08:35 <Dijit> but lets not let them know that xD
Feb 15 14:10:27 <berndhs> Dijit: isn't that the same thing as canning you ?
Feb 15 14:10:54 <Dijit> yeah
Feb 15 14:11:04 <Dijit> but I'm still an employee.
Feb 15 14:11:09 <Dijit> xD
Feb 15 14:13:18 <vlj> hi
Feb 15 14:13:43 <vlj> ab: is there some utility function that creates an image from a filename ?
Feb 15 14:14:01 <ab> vlj, you want QImage out of a file?
Feb 15 14:14:16 <vlj> yup
Feb 15 14:14:25 <ab> vlj, use load filter, set needed preview level
Feb 15 14:14:32 <ab> see the demos
Feb 15 14:14:38 <vlj> ok
Feb 15 14:14:44 <vlj> this is just for testing purpose
Feb 15 14:14:59 <ab> I think all typical uses are covered in that image editor demo app
Feb 15 14:15:04 <TuOki^> well QImage has constructor which takes a fileName
Feb 15 14:15:39 <TuOki^>  note that you need to check that which image formats are supported
Feb 15 14:15:41 <ab> TuOki^, it does not allow you to keep metadata and save it back
Feb 15 14:17:09 <ab> neither it cares about image size. Loading, lets say, 20MPix image fully into memory is hardly needed on a mobile device unless you do processing. Yet even in that case you might do a better job
Feb 15 14:20:53 <lcuk> ab, when you save modified file using original meta data, do you also append a note to say it was modified?
Feb 15 14:21:08 <berndhs> there is QImage::load () as well
Feb 15 14:21:13 <ab> lcuk, libexempi does it.
Feb 15 14:21:25 <lcuk> ab, reasonable enough
Feb 15 14:21:42 <ab> lcuk, though libexempi badly needs to be fixed to follow metadata working group guidelines
Feb 15 14:21:44 <berndhs> and QImage::fromData() if you read the file to a QByteArray and then load that
Feb 15 14:22:20 <lcuk> ab, yes - such thinking applies to many things.
Feb 15 14:22:37 <ab> berndhs, yep and they are just wrappers around more flexible QImageReader API which you should use if you want to be reasonable in constraint resources environment
Feb 15 14:23:06 <ab> berndhs, unfortunately, this does not solve problems with metadata handling, neither with pixmaps and explicit memory copies and so on
Feb 15 14:23:29 <berndhs> not if you want to mess with the metadata, no
Feb 15 14:23:54 <ab> berndhs, what vlj doing is image processing, not visualization so he has to protect metadata
Feb 15 14:24:12 <ab> Qt does not offer good means to handle image processing.
Feb 15 14:24:26 <vlj> right now I'm trying to have a way to visualize if my image processing works :p
Feb 15 14:24:30 <berndhs> ah, so for this purpose he doesn't necessarily want to even display the image
Feb 15 14:24:31 <ab> :)
Feb 15 14:25:05 <ab> vlj, then set a preview level in quill to be something like "full screen" and ask it to give you an image. The rest will be done by load filter.
Feb 15 14:25:32 <ab> it will also cache the representation (preview level) for consequentive access
Feb 15 14:26:17 <vlj> ok thx
Feb 15 14:40:52 <lcuk> ab, which graphics formats support preview based loading?
Feb 15 14:41:09 <lcuk> nd for those which don't, do you load the full image anyway and scale
Feb 15 14:41:10 <leinir> jpeg2000?
Feb 15 14:41:42 <lcuk> well technically, jpeg should, since all you store are the various tiles and then reconstruct as required
Feb 15 14:42:20 * lcuk recalls an amazing little algorithm discovery that allows jpeg lossless rotation
Feb 15 14:42:24 <lcuk> that made me smile :)
Feb 15 14:42:34 <lcuk> (years ago, and probably standard now)
Feb 15 14:45:02 <Jaffa> lcuk: Yeah, most things should support that algorithm. It was reasonably well known in the 1990s
Feb 15 14:45:51 <lcuk> Jaffa, yeah it was about that time
Feb 15 14:46:08 <lcuk> we huans have such long memories
Feb 15 14:46:14 <lcuk> humans do as well of course!
Feb 15 14:47:39 <timeless> Watson is better
Feb 15 14:48:07 <lcuk> probably is
Feb 15 14:50:57 * timeless wonders if people here know what Watson is
Feb 15 14:51:02 <timeless> it turns out people in .au don't
Feb 15 14:51:09 <timeless> hello qgil
Feb 15 14:51:17 <jonwil> I know what watson is :)
Feb 15 14:51:20 <leinir> i only know because i'm on the intertubes ;)
Feb 15 14:51:22 <qgil> hi timeless
Feb 15 14:51:41 <Stskeeps> morn qgil
Feb 15 14:51:44 <timeless> leinir: i was shocked to discover an intertube connected .au'ian didn't
Feb 15 14:51:49 * Stskeeps heads to polish classes
Feb 15 14:52:05 <timeless> Stskeeps: ask your classmates if they know what Watson is
Feb 15 14:52:31 <qgil> Watson is a narrator
Feb 15 14:54:00 <lcuk> morning qgil \o
Feb 15 14:54:33 <timeless> qgil: please state your (incorrect) answer in the form of a question
Feb 15 14:55:55 <qgil> timeless: are you referring to Dr Watson, maybe?
Feb 15 14:56:01 <timeless> no
Feb 15 14:56:19 <timeless> qgil: you are in .us, no?
Feb 15 14:56:30 * timeless tries to understand how qgil could have missed this
Feb 15 15:07:42 <qgil> qgil: can't read more these days, and I'm missing plenty of stuff
Feb 15 15:07:53 <qgil> I mean timeless :)
Feb 15 15:08:20 <timeless> qgil: http://www.google.com/search?q=watson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
Feb 15 15:08:36 <timeless> IBM - Watson 14 Feb 2011 ... Watson, the IBM computer that will compete on Jeopardy!, represents an impressive leap forward in analytics and systems design. www-03.ibm.com/innovation/us/watson/ - Cached
Feb 15 15:09:12 <sivang> timeless: oh!
Feb 15 15:09:27 * timeless shakes head
Feb 15 15:10:08 <sivang> timeless: a computer playing on jebordy ?
Feb 15 15:10:13 <qgil> timeless: funny, the last book I was reading these days is http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=5890
Feb 15 15:10:21 <sivang> hey qgil !
Feb 15 15:10:26 <sivang> qgil: how are things?
Feb 15 15:10:47 <timeless> qgil: interesting
Feb 15 15:10:55 <timeless> sivang: yes..
Feb 15 15:11:04 <qgil> sivang: things are  :)
Feb 15 15:14:19 <arfoll> slaine: textrat made my meegon for me
Feb 15 15:14:26 <sivang> qgil: am just checking new update on https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11084
Feb 15 15:14:28 <MeeGoBot> Bug 11084 maj, Medium, ---, ronan.maclaverty, RESO WORKSFORME, Device section burried to deep in information architecture
Feb 15 15:14:36 * sivang tries to recall the user/pass
Feb 15 15:14:45 <arfoll> slaine: I think theres a request page in the wiki
Feb 15 15:57:25 <Venemo> w00t_: ping
Feb 15 16:05:07 <luist> hello im using an old customized version of garage, and i updated connman from 0.60 to 0.67... now im getting ApplicationManager::ApplicationManager connman not found  can anyone help me?
Feb 15 16:07:40 <hbragge> luist: connman dbus api was renamed in 0.64
Feb 15 16:07:56 <luist> hbragge: ok so how can i fix this?
Feb 15 16:08:32 <hbragge> no idea
Feb 15 16:08:43 <hbragge> maybe update everything that uses connman
Feb 15 16:10:22 <luist> hbragge: this is in the garage's code: m_connMan = new QDBusInterface( "org.moblin.connman", "/", "org.moblin.connman.Manager", bus);
Feb 15 16:10:40 <luist> hbragge: should i change to com.meego?
Feb 15 16:11:01 <hbragge> luist: its net.connman now
Feb 15 16:11:21 <hbragge> "org.moblin.connman" -> "net.connman"
Feb 15 16:11:29 <luist> so QDBusInterface( "net.connman", "/", "net.connman.Manager", bus);  ?
Feb 15 16:11:55 <hbragge> yes
Feb 15 16:12:54 <luist> hbragge: ok ill try that
Feb 15 16:20:31 <Venemo> hey everyone
Feb 15 16:21:01 <Venemo> I need a little help from someone who worked on the development of the Netbook UX, or just knows a lot about its architecture
Feb 15 16:22:35 <gabrbedd> Venemo: what's your question?
Feb 15 16:23:27 <ab> lcuk: (been away) all formats supported by Qt in stock image plugins. However, on the device best optimized one will be jpeg.
Feb 15 16:48:57 <Ulf_> lcuk, are you there?
Feb 15 16:49:45 <lcuk> yes
Feb 15 16:49:57 <Ulf_> Lucky me :)
Feb 15 16:50:21 <Ulf_> lcuk, can you explain this bug a little further? https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13509
Feb 15 16:50:24 <MeeGoBot> Bug 13509 nor, High, ---, sean.v.kelley, NEW, Handset UX on pinetrail does not boot.
Feb 15 16:50:34 <Ulf_> Thx MeeGoBot ;)
Feb 15 16:50:51 <lcuk> Ulf_, I can in about 10 minutes, I was just copying the image onto a usb stick
Feb 15 16:51:03 <Ulf_> lcuk, cool, thank you
Feb 15 16:52:13 <lcuk> Ulf_, but the bug is quite clear, I downloaded the 20110211 image, copied to usb stick and booted from it
Feb 15 16:52:21 <lcuk> it got no further than showing the X11 cursor.
Feb 15 16:52:21 <Ulf_> lcuk, What's happeninng for me is that the display shutsdown once X comes up and the only way to eventually restore it is to suspend and resume operation
Feb 15 16:52:42 <lcuk> once this copies I will know if the 20110214 works
Feb 15 16:52:55 <Ulf_> lcuk, I didn't even get the X cursor on my S10
Feb 15 16:53:08 <lcuk> hold on, grabbing device now, usb copied
Feb 15 16:53:17 <Ulf_> lcuk, thanks for looking into this
Feb 15 16:53:56 <lcuk> Ulf_, having rock solid stable handset UI on the various devices is all our problem.
Feb 15 16:57:03 <Ulf_> lcuk, I agree
Feb 15 16:57:12 <lcuk> Ulf_, yes, the 0214 image is a regression on the 0211 image.  totally black screen now.
Feb 15 16:57:28 <lcuk> I am going to flash the 0211 image again to quadruple check
Feb 15 16:58:08 <lcuk> ahhh Ulf_ I see what you mean, I closed the lid and reopened and meego UI is there
Feb 15 16:58:16 <lcuk> showing at 800*480, but its there
Feb 15 17:00:05 <Ulf_> lcuk, yes and there is a bug open for that
Feb 15 17:00:11 <Ulf_> lcuk, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13518
Feb 15 17:00:13 <MeeGoBot> Bug 13518 cri, Undecided, ---, peng.li, NEW, Display frequently shuts down on Intel graphics based devices.
Feb 15 17:00:49 <lcuk> Ulf_, but that now is different to as it was on 0211 image
Feb 15 17:06:06 <Ulf_> lcuk, We'll have to wait for Peng Li to submit an updated pvr-bin in Trunk:Testing and test again. I doubt, I will find someone to look into the issue seen with the 0211 image
Feb 15 17:07:57 <lcuk> Ulf_, that is ok, I am used to waiting.
Feb 15 17:08:14 * lcuk sends sms to fsfe
Feb 15 17:25:20 <Venemo> I need a little help from someone who knows about the inner workings of mutter-meego
Feb 15 17:26:42 <DawnFoster> Venemo: the best way to get help is to post a specific question about what you want to do or the issue you are having.
Feb 15 17:28:05 <Venemo> DawnFoster, I'd like to know where the mechanics take place that display one of the panels
Feb 15 17:29:12 <Venemo> DawnFoster, by 'where', I mean I'd like to know which method in which .c file does it
Feb 15 17:39:29 <sivang> anybody knows the DMC's user/pass. /me tries meego/developer
Feb 15 17:43:37 <TSCHAKeee> sivang: ask DJ Run.
Feb 15 17:43:45 * TSCHAKeee laughs profusely
Feb 15 17:58:55 <DawnFoster> sivang: meego/developer didn't work for you to get in past the login popup?
Feb 15 17:59:36 <pupnik> wheee
Feb 15 17:59:54 <Tscheesy_> nice - Fujitsus MH330 Netbook will come with Meego only
Feb 15 18:19:01 <freaksed> hello, i am having aproblem installing qjackctl in meego, i got past the xatom.h error but now have an 'EEXIST' was not declared
Feb 15 18:19:55 <dneary> lbt, Grats!
Feb 15 18:20:04 <dneary> lbt, You may also now suggest other sysops if you wish :)
Feb 15 18:22:19 <freaksed> has anyone gotten around this EEXIST error while installing qjackctl?
Feb 15 18:36:13 <pupnik> my qt applications take 10x as long to start as gnome apps
Feb 15 18:37:59 <obit_sweden> pupnik: what qt app ?
Feb 15 18:39:25 <pupnik> minitube obit_sweden
Feb 15 18:41:03 <freaksed> sorry im really hitting a wall with qjackctl, on make it spits an error about EEXIST not being declared
Feb 15 18:43:00 <obit_sweden> pupnik:  it's really hard to know what the cause are but it shouldn't have anything to do with qt.
Feb 15 18:43:02 <pupnik> on the other hand, i see some zippy qt apps as well.  it's all the coder's fault
Feb 15 18:44:47 <pupnik> ldd /usr/bin/minitube |wc -l
Feb 15 18:44:47 <pupnik> 5
Feb 15 18:44:52 <pupnik> 53
Feb 15 18:45:38 <pupnik> the qt stuff doesn't look bad at all... it's the app needing tons of media libs
Feb 15 18:49:52 <timeless_xchat> lbt: ping
Feb 15 18:56:30 <freaksed> has anyone compiled qjackctl on meego?
Feb 15 19:20:46 <obit_sweden> Anyone managed to get ''Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck'' when installing Handset UX from usb
Feb 15 19:24:44 <freaksed> where can i get libjack.so.0
Feb 15 19:36:28 * timeless repokes lbt/x-fade
Feb 15 19:37:53 <lbt> timeless: hey
Feb 15 19:38:02 <timeless> what's the status?
Feb 15 19:38:15 * lbt is still at work :)
Feb 15 19:43:36 <gabrbedd> freaksed: At the moment, you have to compile it by hand.  There's no package for it.
Feb 15 19:44:48 <freaksed> i found out i have it but qjackctl insists that it cans find it
Feb 15 19:46:46 <freaksed> gabrbedd: qjackctl says cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, but i saw the file
Feb 15 19:47:23 <gabrbedd> freaksed: Did you compile both by hand... or... how did you get jack and qjackctl.  And which version of jack?
Feb 15 19:48:49 <freaksed> gabrbedd: yes i had to compile both myself, it was jack1, the repositories for meego dont have any jack software
Feb 15 19:51:49 <gabrbedd> freaksed: Yes, I know.  However, I've known some folks to try and use Fedora/CCRMA rpms on meego.
Feb 15 19:52:09 <gabrbedd> freaksed: Is it a runtime error you're seeing... or a compile time error?
Feb 15 19:52:23 <freaksed> gabrbedd: runtime
Feb 15 19:52:45 <gabrbedd> Did you install jack to /usr ?
Feb 15 19:52:50 <freaksed> gabrbedd: though there were plenty of compile errors i had to get past
Feb 15 19:53:13 <freaksed> gabrbedd: yes, they are both in /usr/local/bin
Feb 15 19:53:41 <freaksed> and the libjack is in /usr/local/lib
Feb 15 19:54:07 <gabrbedd> freaksed: What is the exact error that qjackctl gives you?  (word-for-word)
Feb 15 19:54:58 <freaksed> gabrbedd: qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannotopen shared object file: No such file or directory
Feb 15 19:56:08 <gabrbedd> freaksed: After installing the lib, did you run `sudo /sbin/ldconfig` ??
Feb 15 19:56:31 <freaksed> gabrbedd: no
Feb 15 19:56:56 <gabrbedd> freaksed: That's probably the problem.
Feb 15 19:57:10 <gabrbedd> freaksed: Run it now, and then qjackctl will probably be able to find the lbi.
Feb 15 19:57:13 <freaksed> gabrbedd: i just tried running that and nothing happened
Feb 15 19:57:16 <gabrbedd> s/lbi/lib/
Feb 15 19:57:17 <infobot> gabrbedd meant: freaksed: Run it now, and then qjackctl will probably be able to find the lib.
Feb 15 19:57:45 <gabrbedd> Thanks, infobot.
Feb 15 19:58:31 <freaksed> gabrbedd: that command just went to the next line without any output, and then qjack still gave the same error
Feb 15 19:59:37 <bunk> freaksed: Please run
Feb 15 19:59:43 <bunk> ls -la /usr/lib/libjack* /usr/local/lib/libjack*; ldd `which qjackctl`
Feb 15 19:59:53 <bunk> and paste the output to pastebin.com
Feb 15 20:01:20 <freaksed> doing that now, thanks for all the help everyone
Feb 15 20:02:47 <freaksed> bunk: its up
Feb 15 20:03:01 <bunk> freaksed: URL?
Feb 15 20:03:33 <freaksed> bunk: 3VdLVANg
Feb 15 20:03:33 <bunk> git it
Feb 15 20:04:29 <bunk> wrong ticks, please try "ldd /path/to/qjackctl" (with whatever is the correct path to the program)
Feb 15 20:05:51 <bunk> you should get something like 10 or 20 lines of libraries listed, and that's the output I'm looking for
Feb 15 20:06:03 <freaksed> bunk: ammended it
Feb 15 20:06:39 <bunk> ah, try
Feb 15 20:06:55 <bunk> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib qjackctl
Feb 15 20:11:47 <freaksed> bunk:IT WORKED, thank you so much
Feb 15 20:11:49 <freaksed> bunk: did that point it to the right place permanently? or will i need to run it with that command in the future
Feb 15 20:11:55 <bunk> freaksed: That only works when this environment variable is set, for doing it permanently there are 3 choices:
Feb 15 20:11:55 <bunk> 1. install the libs to /usr/lib  ("./configure --prefix=/usr" when building libjack)
Feb 15 20:12:01 <bunk> 2. compile an rpath into your program
Feb 15 20:13:11 <bunk> 3. add /usr/local/lib in a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
Feb 15 20:13:41 <freaksed> that last one looks the simplest... whats the drawback
Feb 15 20:14:57 <bunk> there should be none
Feb 15 20:15:23 <freaksed> nice is that file called tracker-i386.conf?
Feb 15 20:15:40 <bunk> you should rather add a new file
Feb 15 20:16:19 <freaksed> ah ok, does it have no be named a certain way?
Feb 15 20:16:20 <gabrbedd> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/freaksed.conf
Feb 15 20:16:23 <gabrbedd> :-)
Feb 15 20:16:39 <gabrbedd> Probably just need to make sure there's a ".conf" at the end.
Feb 15 20:16:44 <freaksed> cool, saved lives you did
Feb 15 20:33:58 <timeless> lbt: how late do you work? :(
Feb 15 20:35:24 <lbt> 11pm-midnight usually
Feb 15 20:36:39 <timeless> grr
Feb 15 20:50:17 <vlj> hi
Feb 15 21:02:04 <lardman> what do I need to stick in my .ks to have dhcp installed?
Feb 15 21:03:29 <gabrbedd> lardman: dhcp server?  Or client?
Feb 15 21:03:35 <lardman> client
Feb 15 21:04:48 <gabrbedd> lardman: isn't it connman that does it?
Feb 15 21:05:19 <lardman> probably, but I can't start X. Does conman work from the term?
Feb 15 21:06:59 <gabrbedd> lardman:  Honestly... I'm not sure what does it... but I've never had trouble connecting via DHCP over ethernet... even when X11 doesn't start.
Feb 15 21:07:20 <gabrbedd> It just works.
Feb 15 21:07:40 <gabrbedd> So, maybe it's connman doing it... maybe something else.
Feb 15 21:07:43 <lardman> unfortunately it doesn't here, but I'm working on it
Feb 15 21:07:52 <lardman> nah conman isn't started
Feb 15 21:09:27 <lardman> nevermind, I should be able to set a static address anyway
Feb 15 21:10:58 * lardman goes to check his wpa_supplicant.conf file
Feb 15 21:47:38 <jeremiah> lastlog
Feb 15 23:33:07 <vgrade> meego tablet ux up on joggler, http://plixi.com/p/77686885
Feb 15 23:35:55 <CosmoHill> ooo
Feb 15 23:36:49 <vgrade> needs work,
Feb 15 23:37:07 <CosmoHill> doesn't everything?
Feb 15 23:37:37 <berndhs> i can run last weeks handset-ia32 image on a laptop, some of it works, can ssh into it
Feb 15 23:39:10 <vgrade> CosmoHill, is IRC quiet today
Feb 15 23:39:16 <vgrade> or just me
Feb 15 23:39:24 <CosmoHill> someone said Freenode was being DDoS'd
Feb 15 23:39:56 <CosmoHill> in the past 3 hours I've had about a dozen lines of people and the rest are just join and part messages
Feb 15 23:40:22 <niala1> :)
Feb 15 23:40:25 <vgrade> it went funny at work today
Feb 15 23:41:12 <CosmoHill> i spent the day with my friends which was pleasent :3
Feb 15 23:46:32 <auke> -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks! As you'll have noticed, we just lost about half the network due to hub issues. We're trying to put together what we can! Thanks for your patience.
Feb 15 23:59:58 <timeless> lbt: ping :)
Feb 16 00:12:19 <Venemo> is there any docs about libmeego-panel?
Feb 16 00:13:36 <niala1> Venemo: in git maybe ?
Feb 16 00:14:16 <Venemo> niala1: there is a very minimal doc on git, but no actual function reference or anything
Feb 16 00:19:52 <CosmoHill> i think it's all mental notes
Feb 16 00:22:30 <berndhs> you can always try to run doxygen over it, sometimes it helps
Feb 16 00:29:19 <MindWarper> ive just found the meego killer :) http://www.osnews.com/story/24421/Enlightenment_Libraries_Reach_1_0
Feb 16 00:33:08 <leinir> They had to do that, otherwise Samsung (rasterman's employe) would be very unhappy with him ;)
Feb 16 00:36:39 <diegows> is there a phone compatible with meego? N900 isn't an option because 3G doesn't work in my country :(
Feb 16 00:38:59 * CosmoHill randomly picks up a book and reads "The Innocent" by Graham Greene
Feb 16 00:45:24 <vgrade> night all
Feb 16 00:51:42 <CosmoHill> night vgrade
Feb 16 00:54:08 <niala1> night
Feb 16 00:54:49 <CosmoHill> bonne nuit niala1
Feb 16 01:01:52 <diegows> where I can but a aava phone? i haven't found a site where I can buy it
Feb 16 01:03:06 <TSCHAKeee> diegows: the only device available from AAVA is the CDK, and it is currently on hold.. it costs $2400
Feb 16 01:03:17 <TSCHAKeee> (this is because it is limited production development hardware)
Feb 16 01:03:40 <diegows> TSCHAKeee: :P it's out of my budget
Feb 16 01:03:53 <TSCHAKeee> then get a n900, and STFU
Feb 16 01:03:56 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
Feb 16 01:04:11 <diegows> N900 3G doesn't work in Argentina :(
Feb 16 01:04:37 <pupnik> qf
Feb 16 01:05:00 <diegows> qf?
Feb 16 01:05:10 * diegows is reading about STF
Feb 16 01:05:11 * diegows is reading about STFU
Feb 16 01:07:32 <diegows> aava and n900, that's all?
Feb 16 01:08:03 <TSCHAKeee> those are the official targets that are being built for at the moment.
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