**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 16 02:59:57 2011 Feb 16 04:01:48 what happen to #meego-pub Feb 16 04:02:45 you mean #meego-bar ? Feb 16 04:03:27 oh ty Feb 16 04:03:45 stupid americans ... it's a 'pub' :) Feb 16 06:44:10 my office is empty Feb 16 06:44:17 where is everyone :o Feb 16 06:44:28 Dijit: panic room? Feb 16 06:44:51 good point, I'm going to check the meeting rooms Feb 16 06:44:54 brb Feb 16 06:45:19 LOL Feb 16 06:48:14 there are people in the meeting room, but the blinds are closed. Feb 16 06:49:17 Dijit: ah, so there's alcohol involved Feb 16 06:49:18 :P Feb 16 06:51:49 this is finland. Feb 16 06:52:08 so there is truth to be had somewhere in that statement.. alcohol is /always/ involved xD Feb 16 06:54:00 thanks for that amusing image Dijit Feb 16 06:54:15 haha, yw Feb 16 06:54:39 morning #meego Feb 16 06:54:46 mornin' niala1 Feb 16 06:55:01 finns are just superior people. i was really impressed when i went around talking to strangers. Feb 16 06:55:07 yeah Feb 16 06:55:12 no doubt in my mind. Feb 16 06:56:00 never been to a friendlier place in the world.. say two words and a finn is your best friend. Feb 16 06:56:09 although that is a massive over-generalisation. Feb 16 06:56:14 I'm sure there are some assholes. Feb 16 06:56:33 oh yes Feb 16 06:56:43 I'm pretty sure I qualify for that label Feb 16 06:57:31 woop Feb 16 06:59:48 Are there mirror sites for the meego-tablet image ? I'm not able to complete a download it gets interrupted before it finished. Feb 16 07:06:18 obit_sweden: install downthemall plugin to firefox and download it with it. worked for me that way Feb 16 07:10:24 elop said: "With MeeGo, we could see the emergence of other products such as GPS navigation devices." http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2011/02/14/04015-20110214ARTFIG00719-stephen-elop-nokia-va-recevoir-plusieurs-milliards-de-dollars-de-microsoft.php sorry french interview of elop Feb 16 07:10:57 heh Feb 16 07:14:04 Stskeeps: funny no? i think it"s not true. i think they will leave meego. Feb 16 07:14:33 i'm not seeing any signs of them leaving meego totally Feb 16 07:15:22 lol "On the one hand, we will buy Microsoft's Windows operating system Phone for our future smartphones. This allows us to reduce our investment in research and development. We will reduce our operational expenses. On the other, Microsoft will give us a lot of cash. This amount is counted in billions of dollars." google translate Feb 16 07:16:40 niala1: el reg reported more accurately on that, I'll look for the url; and let that be the only time I dip in the subject and derail the channel discussion Feb 16 07:17:08 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_mwc_investor_assurances/ Feb 16 07:21:33 "Microsoft will give us a lot of cash", or a lot of cash equivalent (such as software/developer resources, .net ecosystem, reference hardware devices), all looks good on paper but not clear what "Nokia spice" will make this attempt a success Feb 16 07:21:43 let's take it to the bar, guys :) Feb 16 07:21:57 please Feb 16 07:22:52 go to work have a nice day Feb 16 07:34:38 do we keep track of regressions over time? Feb 16 07:35:00 better as a QA question, but we do have [REG] tags Feb 16 07:35:03 it looks like there have been some regressions in the UI part of handset since I last saw it a couple of months ago. Feb 16 07:35:16 ok Feb 16 07:36:13 i tried the latest handset build on my n900.. :/ meh. Feb 16 07:36:18 anyway. Feb 16 07:36:36 bugs are more than welcome Feb 16 07:36:47 and weekly is faairly broken due to a OBS fuckup :) Feb 16 07:38:34 ahh...what's the last non-fairly-broken snap? Feb 16 07:38:48 qa-reports is always good to help spot it Feb 16 07:38:55 ok Feb 16 07:39:03 really bad timing..ugh. Feb 16 07:56:05 Stskeeps: got a error number or anything from OBS? maybe I can do something to fix it. Feb 16 07:56:51 Dijit: nah, it's just a prjconf problem Feb 16 07:56:53 we identified it already Feb 16 07:57:00 okidoke np Feb 16 09:20:00 "It is shipping and there is momentum across multiple segments today, including automotive systems, netbooks, tablets, set-top boxes, and phones" What exactly is shipping? I assume the list of platforms is only reffering to the 'momentum', not the 'shipping'... Feb 16 09:20:58 And there's a tutorial for aava devices but I'm having a hard time finding any to buy Feb 16 10:31:14 * timeless pokes lbt Feb 16 10:54:39 is there a way to use the maemo flasher with libusb 0.1.3? Feb 16 10:55:02 bash`: wrong channel :P Feb 16 10:55:22 alterego: I'm trying to flash my n900 installing meego, then right channel :P Feb 16 10:56:05 bash`: still more of a maemo thing, thought #meego-arm would be better, anyhow, lets talk in #maemo :P Feb 16 11:04:13 Hi all Feb 16 11:08:03 Next conference is May 23-25 in SF, correct? Feb 16 11:08:58 Cool, who's going to pay for me to come? :D Feb 16 11:09:34 Jaffa: yes Feb 16 11:09:52 alterego: I'll book the holiday and worry about the cost of a UK->US flight later. Much later. Feb 16 11:10:15 :) Feb 16 11:10:32 Good plan, I'll note the dates in my calendar Feb 16 11:19:26 "If you're an OEM, you should choose a software partner the way you'd choose a spouse," said Mark Lee, CEO of Splashtop. "It should be someone you trust, someone who understands how you operate, and someone who can help you bring a beautiful product into the world." Feb 16 11:19:51 CosmoHill: Intel! Feb 16 11:19:59 Oh wait ... Feb 16 11:20:05 SplashTop have released an MeeGo based OS Feb 16 11:21:02 alterego: yes, Intel cos of MeeGo's AppUp store and cos of all the work they're doing on optimisation and minimal boot times Feb 16 11:23:20 oh hello, that wasn't the full quote from Mark Lee, there is more in their press release Feb 16 11:23:25 http://www.splashtop.com/press/splashtop-releases-meego-based-splashtop-os-for-oems Feb 16 11:25:12 CosmoHill: Intel are very good at software :) Feb 16 11:25:32 And I really enjoy reading their random programming papers. Feb 16 11:25:45 I'd imagine a lot of people in the world don't reliase that intel do software Feb 16 11:26:03 Yeah, well, probably only developers ;) Feb 16 11:27:54 Intel defiantly have a lot of product awareness in the general public cos they're logo and theme music is shown on every advert with an Intel processor Feb 16 11:28:11 even if they can't tell the difference between a Pentium and i7 Feb 16 11:28:31 CosmoHill: Which makes me want to punch my television. Feb 16 11:28:47 CosmoHill: Isn't an i7 that new version of the internet from Microsoft? Feb 16 11:29:19 if I say "yes", will there be any follow up questions? Feb 16 11:29:31 Hahah Feb 16 11:29:40 I see the adverts with all those people. Feb 16 11:29:59 "I'm a PC and windows was my idea?" Feb 16 11:30:27 if that was true I'd be punching a lot of people cos of vista Feb 16 11:30:40 CosmoHill: Yup Feb 16 11:31:01 Heh, well, it just shows MSs tactics, stealing others' ideas and code :P Feb 16 11:31:04 in one advert a woman stops here kids from using the laptop between set times Feb 16 11:31:16 a good parent would put a laptop out of reach Feb 16 11:31:54 Meh, dentist appointment in 40 mins Feb 16 11:31:56 Jaffa: have you seen the US adverts? Feb 16 11:32:26 CosmoHill: I assume they use the same ones with some re-dubs. Certainly the UK ones look like they're US shot. Feb 16 11:32:56 Jaffa: is that because US videos always seem better produced? :D Feb 16 11:33:03 they get a kid and an OAP to do the same task in the fastest time possible Feb 16 11:33:38 you can't show US adverts over here, they noticeably cheesing and american Feb 16 11:33:59 some adverts are european and the child sounds a lot like the woman... Feb 16 11:34:26 Are you saying European boys sound girly? :P Feb 16 11:34:46 only when you use the same voice actor in the sub Feb 16 11:34:47 dub* Feb 16 11:35:28 alterego: I'm going off grain & lighting. Though Episodes on BBC2 looks mostly US-shot/produced whereas it has been UK-shot/produced with just a few establishing shots in the US. Feb 16 11:36:29 Yeah, I dunno what it is, I guess TV just has a much larger budget in the US so they have much better equipment and higher production quality. Feb 16 11:36:46 Just compare Dr Who with House or something. Feb 16 11:36:48 alterego: Or they like the NTSC look and reproduce it even on modern equipment ;-) Feb 16 11:37:12 Good old "Never The Same Colour" :D Feb 16 11:37:14 I hate watching US cop shows, it leaves you wondering if they have an attention span Feb 16 11:37:16 Sorry Color :D Feb 16 11:37:24 Heh Feb 16 11:37:37 if you're gonna show a car chase at least do so in a linear fashion Feb 16 11:38:07 I don't think I've watched a Us cop show since miami vice Feb 16 11:38:29 Well, unless you count 24 Feb 16 11:38:36 I'm a big fan of 24 :D Feb 16 11:38:41 hi Feb 16 11:38:46 He Venemo Feb 16 11:38:49 hi Feb 16 11:38:51 Hey .. Feb 16 11:39:16 yes alterego, Venemo is a he Feb 16 11:39:27 CosmoHill, that's correct Feb 16 11:39:50 I dunno, I've heard stories! :P Feb 16 11:40:10 it's a weekday Feb 16 11:40:16 I need some help. I'd like to know how MnbToolbar finds out what panels are installed and what buttons to display Feb 16 11:40:55 only thing i can think of is a .desktop file in your home directory Feb 16 11:41:20 CosmoHill: if you can point me to the code that reads those supposed .desktop files, I'd be more than happy Feb 16 11:41:30 I can't, sorry Feb 16 11:41:43 CosmoHill: I would rather think that it's done through gconf Feb 16 11:43:59 CosmoHill: it's > 4000 loc, a bit hard to comprehend at first glance Feb 16 11:44:17 * CosmoHill stares blankly Feb 16 11:44:27 Venemo: search/find? :P Feb 16 11:44:33 alterego: doing that... Feb 16 11:44:42 alterego: but it's not very effective :) Feb 16 11:46:00 :P Feb 16 11:54:42 hi there Feb 16 11:55:15 do you know why is not possible to use the usb-host on n900 with meego? Feb 16 11:55:48 vanezy: the patches we use for usb host on maemo are not applied to a meego kernel. Feb 16 11:56:31 why not? and if you modify them in some way? Feb 16 11:56:36 maybe in theory is possible Feb 16 11:56:36 Also, meego likes to upstream patches, and it's extremely unlikely that kernel.org would accept the maemo usb host patches, because they're basically a series of hacks ;) Feb 16 11:56:47 god dammit Feb 16 11:56:48 :D Feb 16 11:56:56 why can't I paste something without word screwing up all the formating Feb 16 11:57:13 Oh it is possible, but like I told you. It would require you to build your own kernel as the N900 adaptation kernel wont have it. Feb 16 11:57:33 ok Feb 16 11:57:43 got it Feb 16 11:57:57 thank you for the explanations you were really usefull Feb 16 11:57:58 :) Feb 16 11:58:03 (alterego) Feb 16 11:58:05 So you, or someone else, would have to rebase the patchset to the latest kernel version and cross your fingers it works :P Feb 16 11:58:18 Also, there's no UI :) Feb 16 11:58:27 I don't mind of UI :P Feb 16 11:58:38 But you can compiile MohammadAG's UI as it's in Qt Feb 16 11:58:43 cool Feb 16 11:59:08 Anyhow, bbl :) Feb 16 11:59:27 bye :=) Feb 16 12:00:09 X-Fade: hi, I'd like to use OBS for newest versions of clutter/mx and dependencies, nick=pavlix Feb 16 12:07:09 pavlix: Your account should work now. Feb 16 12:07:30 X-Fade: thanks Feb 16 12:09:21 offtopic: 95% of all british 19-24's are either students or unemployed. Feb 16 12:09:56 ? Feb 16 12:10:21 so our president is right and we are the first world :P Feb 16 12:11:26 Dijit: Nice Feb 16 12:11:54 I was both before coming to finland Feb 16 12:11:57 xD Feb 16 12:12:12 foreverunemployed Feb 16 12:12:26 X-Fade: do you know about anyone already building clutter-related stuff? quick-searching did not work for me Feb 16 12:12:48 s/did not work/did not give any results/ Feb 16 12:12:50 pavlix meant: X-Fade: do you know about anyone already building clutter-related stuff? quick-searching did not give any results for me Feb 16 12:13:08 +1 Feb 16 12:13:32 pavlix: No, I haven't see anybody working on that. Feb 16 12:14:01 X-Fade: but it's still being used in meego 1.1, isn't it? Feb 16 12:15:36 pavlix: Yes, in netbook UX. Feb 16 12:16:49 X-Fade: sorry for newbie questions... but then I'd guess there should be these packages in the build service if only because of netbook UX, no? Feb 16 12:17:21 pavlix: Yes, but they are in Core obs. Feb 16 12:20:48 X-Fade: how do I get spec files from the core to use as reference? Feb 16 12:30:04 Netbook UX(intel hw?) uses Clutter for UI bling blign. How was Nokia meego about to use, QtQuick based bling bling. I know invehicle builders use QtQuick ui. Feb 16 12:30:15 *^^? Feb 16 12:30:53 MurmurOR: ERROR: failure to parse Feb 16 12:31:33 :) sorry about that, my multitasking broke runtime grammar. Feb 16 12:32:14 MurmurOR: was that related to my question? Feb 16 12:32:41 pavlix: just a spinoff, Clutter vs QtQuick adoption in meego scene. Feb 16 12:33:23 MurmurOR: clutter was mostly used for netbook ux which was already there when meego started Feb 16 12:33:26 long term is qt quick Feb 16 12:33:52 ok, Ive seen in-vehicle devices use QtQuick based UI bling bling. Feb 16 12:33:54 meego-ux uses clutter? Feb 16 12:34:07 netbook ux Feb 16 12:34:12 yes Feb 16 12:34:13 ok Feb 16 12:36:42 Nokia plan was to use QtQuick for cellphone UI, but time(and will?) run out + driven over by software politics. Feb 16 12:36:42 MurmurOR: nice where? Feb 16 12:37:04 that was mu question did Nokia was bettinig on QtQuick development timeline? Feb 16 12:37:14 \o/ omg bling bling Feb 16 12:37:41 I'm having trouble linking my private OBS to api.meego.com. Anyone had experience with that? Feb 16 12:37:44 * tybollt rolls eyes so hard they almost get stuck ina loop Feb 16 12:37:58 shahinghazinouri: how are you doing it specifically? Feb 16 12:39:10 Setup OBS -> fill in details for api.meego.com Feb 16 12:39:10 sivang: Integrated Computer Solutions uses Meego IVI v1.1 + QML + Qt/C++ Feb 16 12:39:28 tybollt, :P Feb 16 12:40:15 shahinghazinouri: ok, so, do you know osc meta prj? Feb 16 12:41:39 sivang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJhLah_u_4U found it IVI meego demo, last year demo. Feb 16 12:42:03 Stskeeps, I think I know how to use it yes. Feb 16 12:42:29 I've been able to clone projects off api.meego.com with osc, but I don't know how to set up the repository link. Feb 16 12:42:45 shahinghazinouri: ok, so, you need to manually add a repository shahinghazinouri: or hack the "easy" repository page in obs Feb 16 12:44:23 Stskeeps: I've added this to Raw Config for a project: Feb 16 12:44:23 1. Feb 16 12:44:23 2. Feb 16 12:44:23 3. Feb 16 12:44:45 you need and you need repository "standard" Feb 16 12:45:19 hey guys i wonder, how do we get a application in meego 1.2 release? Feb 16 12:45:28 what are the gates to pass Feb 16 12:45:35 deadlines and such Feb 16 12:45:36 jbos: requirements process Feb 16 12:45:42 wikipage? Feb 16 12:46:24 Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll try it out :) Feb 16 12:46:29 http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap , http://meego.com/developers/requirements Feb 16 12:47:47 is there an updated version vor 1.2? Feb 16 12:47:54 or keep it the same Feb 16 12:48:14 wiki.meego.com/Roadmap might help Feb 16 12:48:44 just talking about 1.1 :) Feb 16 12:48:55 featurezilla is live, so :) Feb 16 12:49:22 basically what we want is something like getting our app preeinstalled in a meego 1.2 release :D Feb 16 12:49:35 jbos: well, it's reference app then Feb 16 12:50:16 yes that is our goal (reference impl. for telepathy, voice call, celluar call, video, chat) Feb 16 12:51:26 but so there is this goal but basically zero idea what the qa / processes are... some people seems to have thought its all happing by some vodoo magic :D Feb 16 12:51:52 thanks so far Feb 16 12:53:28 jbos: meego-pm@ :) Feb 16 12:53:43 Still all voodoo to me Feb 16 12:54:11 Is there a roadmap for 3G video calling in meego/handset Feb 16 12:54:27 * Stskeeps twitches Feb 16 12:55:17 Heh Feb 16 12:55:24 What did I do? :P Feb 16 12:55:51 you asked about roadmaps for a dead OS...? Feb 16 12:55:54 * LjL ducks Feb 16 12:56:22 does a dead os have zombie processes? Feb 16 12:57:04 yes, because they are in a deadlock Feb 16 12:57:10 it's not over until the fat lady sings :P Feb 16 12:57:44 Even if I have to single handedly keep meego/handset alive, I will, because I believe in it that much :P Feb 16 12:58:13 There are other companies behind Meego than just Nokia, too. Feb 16 13:00:11 Who's Nokia? Feb 16 13:00:23 * alterego asks from his now unbranded N900 Feb 16 13:00:34 is it possible to boot the daily builds on n900 with uboot? Feb 16 13:00:38 ahiemstra: yes Feb 16 13:00:42 ok Feb 16 13:00:51 then I guess im doing something wrong :p Feb 16 13:00:55 ahiemstra: I do it, almost daily ;) Feb 16 13:02:32 any specific tricks i need to know of? because im getting a "wrong image format" error Feb 16 13:03:05 ahiemstra: are you typing "run mmcboot"? Feb 16 13:03:13 yeah Feb 16 13:03:38 don't Feb 16 13:03:49 just turn it on with the micro sd in and let it time out Feb 16 13:03:54 ah right, yeah, that seems to work Feb 16 13:03:58 It boots meego automatically. Feb 16 13:10:22 hmm, the daily image really seems far more responsive then the 1.1 image Feb 16 13:12:09 Nice new sgx drivers :) Feb 16 13:14:39 alterego: has the clock speed on the gpu been solved ? Feb 16 13:16:14 slaine: dunno, ask Stskeeps he's the man for that I believe. Feb 16 13:18:07 slaine: not yet, but it's faster Feb 16 13:18:48 Stskeeps: last I heard it was running about 80% iirc Feb 16 13:18:56 slaine: yeah, true Feb 16 13:19:01 Good enough for most Feb 16 13:22:21 hey slaine Feb 16 13:22:33 CosmoHill: howdy Feb 16 13:26:16 Where I get account to http://build.meego.com ? Feb 16 13:26:29 jsjarvi: is it for open source software? Feb 16 13:26:41 yes Feb 16 13:26:48 do you have an account on meego.com ? Feb 16 13:27:58 Hi all! I want to know what is the good way to start Meego programming. Is it done via Qt or we code in eclipse. I'm using Windows environment. Feb 16 13:28:01 Please guide me Feb 16 13:28:08 abhy: Qt SDK is a good start :) Feb 16 13:29:05 Moreover I have expertise in Java and I think Meego supports C/C++ right Feb 16 13:29:07 ? Feb 16 13:29:10 No I don't have account to meego.com Feb 16 13:29:30 I have N900 will I be able to rum my programs developed on Qt Feb 16 13:29:34 jsjarvi: you will require one Feb 16 13:29:39 I mean test Feb 16 13:29:45 ok, good thanks Feb 16 13:29:58 Qt is an extension of C++ Feb 16 13:30:20 CosmoHill: no it's not Feb 16 13:30:28 Hmm.. how do you people test applications... on emulator? Feb 16 13:30:41 abhy: or device Feb 16 13:30:43 It's an API framework written in C++ Feb 16 13:30:54 slaine: ah Feb 16 13:31:05 Stskeeps: Will I be able to test on my N900 Feb 16 13:31:10 abhy: yes Feb 16 13:31:28 then do I need to install Meego on my N900 ? Feb 16 13:31:35 or Maemo will do Feb 16 13:31:36 dual-boot is fine Feb 16 13:31:54 okay very thanks... will be soon joining you all Feb 16 13:31:58 :) Feb 16 13:33:25 okay just please let me one more thing, can Meego applications be developed on Eclipse too, like I just want to know different ways.. Feb 16 13:33:41 know* Feb 16 13:34:00 unsure :) Feb 16 13:34:01 maybe? Feb 16 13:34:48 that's what some Intel guys said would be the plan in December.. i don't know when (if not already that would be the case Feb 16 13:35:18 Btw, is GTK installed on Meego as standard? Feb 16 13:35:31 okay Feb 16 13:35:41 rmt2: not part of compliance so it doesn't -have- to be there Feb 16 13:35:47 rmt2: because of some stupid dependancies, it is Feb 16 13:35:47 :P Feb 16 13:36:20 so anyone know how to submit apps to the appup program? Feb 16 13:36:28 compile at obs or...? Feb 16 13:36:30 cobs Feb 16 13:36:47 or can you do local rpm build and just upload it? Feb 16 13:37:21 Stskeeps, Woo, Vala. ;-) Feb 16 13:43:06 villev: here's some info: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/how-submit-application Feb 16 13:43:51 kyb3R: ah, ok... so I need "AppUp SDK" Feb 16 13:44:18 Is there some replication time for build.meego.com after you have done account to meego.com, it says: Authentication failed Feb 16 13:44:47 er, for which there is windows binary Feb 16 13:45:32 jsjarvi: meego.com accounts doesn't give automatic right to build.meego.com - file a bug here https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service , "Build Service Accounts" and prod Ramez Hanna (i think that's the guy in Nokia) Feb 16 13:45:53 villev: i know :) Feb 16 13:46:11 rumor says linux version is somewhere.... Feb 16 13:46:29 X-Fade: ping Feb 16 13:47:57 Stskeeps, the handset images for N900 and pinetrail. pinetrail is 500mb, whilst n900 is 2gb. do you know where the extra comes from? Feb 16 13:48:11 jsjarvi: you then have to ask X-Fade or lbt for your account to be activated on the build, tell them your username Feb 16 13:48:23 CosmoHill: that's only for build.pub.meego.com Feb 16 13:48:30 lcuk: we're a full sd card image, pinetrail is a live image with a compressed 3000mb ext3fs in it too Feb 16 13:48:42 Stskeeps: ah, Feb 16 13:49:05 jsjarvi: sorry I misread what you wanted, I assumed you wanted access to build.pub.meego.com which is the commnity OBS Feb 16 13:49:14 Stskeeps, ahh, so its not missing data, its just where in the sequence the data gets decompressed and extracted. Feb 16 13:49:43 Stskeeps: should the n900 image compress well? Feb 16 13:49:54 timeless: it does Feb 16 13:51:00 bbl Feb 16 13:52:10 I'm not sure even myself where I need rights.... Looking for code for Settings and APN ui... Feb 16 13:57:15 jsjarvi: well one is for community members and the build.meego.com is only for trusted meego developers who need access to the core Feb 16 14:01:14 CosmoHill: yep, should not be problem when sitting inside Nokia... Only problem where to find proper documentation and code.... Feb 16 14:03:37 ah Feb 16 14:03:44 in that case I have no idea who you need to talk to Feb 16 14:04:05 X-Fade might be able to point you towards the right person Feb 16 14:08:20 jsjarvi: finding proper documentation inside nokia? won't happen Feb 16 14:08:22 cyas Feb 16 14:08:43 jsjarvi: what kind of code do you seek? wikis.in/Webtools/MXR can be your friend Feb 16 14:09:21 timeless: you'd be surprised how important documentation is to our sysarchitect Feb 16 14:12:19 timeless: yep, MXR is good, but that link was going on some strange page... Feb 16 14:16:59 Dijit: i've dealt w/ them, i'm not surprised Feb 16 14:17:21 * timeless decides not to import Dijit 's vcard from the exchange server Feb 16 14:18:05 i was surprised (a while ago) at how much useless busywork they demanded of groups and how absolutely ineffective and otherwise useless they've been Feb 16 14:18:17 (at this point, i'm no longer surprised by such things) Feb 16 14:18:36 what did amuse me was how one external (to maemo-meego) team managed to steamroll them Feb 16 14:18:49 I'm on the exchange server Feb 16 14:18:55 yeah, i know Feb 16 14:19:00 ? Feb 16 14:19:01 0_o Feb 16 14:19:03 i looked you up before answering Feb 16 14:19:08 haha really? Feb 16 14:19:13 what does it say? Feb 16 14:19:24 n900 has MfE ... Feb 16 14:20:08 just your email address + job title Feb 16 14:20:55 anyway, the microb browser was required to have many many pages and charts for that team Feb 16 14:21:10 but another team basically wrote a 2-3 page document which said "if you want to know how a browser works, read wikipedia" Feb 16 14:22:08 it was a nice way to show the whole group the finger Feb 16 15:13:28 timeless, Festivus airing of grievances? Feb 16 15:18:11 timeless_xchat: heh Feb 16 15:20:43 timeless_xchat: mxr now shows nginx without a backend? :) Feb 16 15:21:25 Hello! I need your help Feb 16 15:21:58 I am using Ubuntu 10.04. Now I want to upgrade it to 10.10 Feb 16 15:22:30 Is it safe to upgrade it under a dial up connection Feb 16 15:22:54 ??? Feb 16 15:23:01 Idris: did you check the topic? :) Feb 16 15:23:08 Idris: ubuntu is not here :) Feb 16 15:23:46 this is not the OS you're looking for Feb 16 15:24:02 For this topic, where should I go? Feb 16 15:24:06 please tell me... Feb 16 15:24:16 #android Feb 16 15:24:35 mdp: you bastard :) Feb 16 15:24:37 sivang: i'm waiting for lbt or x-fade to set up my account Feb 16 15:24:37 mdp: heh Feb 16 15:24:49 timeless_xchat: and then you're goonna fix it? :) Feb 16 15:25:15 Idris: #ubuntu is the right channel, you better google for it and look at ubuntuforums.org Feb 16 15:25:19 yeah.. Feb 16 15:25:40 ok. thanks. bye Feb 16 15:25:52 weird Feb 16 15:35:09 Is it the right room for android? Feb 16 15:35:19 ...eh? Feb 16 15:35:22 Idris: no Feb 16 15:35:23 No, no it isn't :) Feb 16 15:35:37 what is the topic going on here? Feb 16 15:35:42 Idris: MeeGo. Feb 16 15:35:49 you just thought before this was Ubuntu :P Feb 16 15:36:00 If one might ask, what made you think this was Android related? :) Feb 16 15:36:10 Idris: better mobile OSs ? Feb 16 15:36:12 I'm terribly sorry. I did a mistake... Feb 16 15:36:18 ;) Feb 16 15:36:35 No problem, it happens :) Just wondering what led you to think that :) Feb 16 15:36:40 aw Feb 16 15:45:26 How is the performance of Meego on N900, is it laggy or runs smooth over it? Feb 16 15:45:44 could be better Feb 16 15:47:01 means currently not smooth Stskeeps Feb 16 15:47:23 it's not quite there yet, no Feb 16 15:47:27 but a lot of things being improved Feb 16 15:48:03 the performance of current nighlty/weekly is already quite improved over 1.1 Feb 16 15:48:05 okay Feb 16 15:48:47 ahiemstra: just wait for the hardfp images.. improves fps like 20-30fps Feb 16 15:49:06 nice :) Feb 16 15:49:23 Stskeeps, what are the harpfp images waiting for? Feb 16 15:49:35 * ahiemstra has a feeling 1.2 might actually be usable Feb 16 15:49:41 lcuk: OBS scheduler.. Feb 16 15:49:41 :P Feb 16 16:00:13 ahiemstra: from where can I get this 'Nightly/ Weekly' dumps Feb 16 16:00:26 abhy: check the wiki Feb 16 16:00:46 okay they must be under betas then Feb 16 16:01:11 the meego on n900 page has links Feb 16 16:03:15