**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 19 02:59:57 2011
Feb 19 03:09:18 <lpotter> naaa. they are just NASA farting
Feb 19 04:00:54 <pupnik> IControlpad now available for gaming with your cellphone - very cool indie project - http://icontrolpad.com/  http://www.gp2x.de/shop/index.php/cPath/45
Feb 19 05:47:49 <Termana> morning
Feb 19 06:34:35 <Termana> Damn it. I think I just sent a LinkedIn invitation to the MeeGo l1on list :\ LinkedIn is such an awkward site
Feb 19 06:37:36 <TSCHAKeee> congratulations
Feb 19 06:37:40 <TSCHAKeee> we all hate you now
Feb 19 06:37:44 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
Feb 19 06:37:57 * TSCHAKeee hugs Termana ... kiddin. ;)
Feb 19 06:38:05 <Termana> :p
Feb 19 08:05:21 <amarsman_nl> I would like to buy a netbook for running meego IVI, does a current hp mini 210 work? it doesn't have the the atom Z530 but the N455
Feb 19 08:07:42 <pupnik> does N455 have SSE3?
Feb 19 08:07:48 <TSCHAKeee> yes, it does.
Feb 19 08:08:14 <pupnik> then you must check for graphics support
Feb 19 08:12:26 <amarsman_nl> I checked SSE3, it does have it
Feb 19 08:12:34 <Stskeeps> SSSE3
Feb 19 08:12:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 19 08:12:54 <amarsman_nl> Graphics is Intel GMA 4150
Feb 19 08:13:16 <amarsman_nl> s/4150/3150/
Feb 19 08:13:16 <infobot> amarsman_nl meant: Graphics is Intel GMA 3150
Feb 19 08:14:07 <amarsman_nl> according to the install page it's using VESA, no hw accelerated graphics
Feb 19 08:15:35 <amarsman_nl> On the Netbook page it states for v1.0 the HP mini 210-1044 is supported, nothing about v1.1. What I can buy now is a HP mini 210-2001sd
Feb 19 08:16:13 <amarsman_nl> not sure what the differences are
Feb 19 08:17:08 <amarsman_nl> another option would be a Samsung notebook with a N550 and same graphics
Feb 19 08:18:12 <amarsman_nl> need to check what the higher price and going from N455 to N550 brings
Feb 19 08:18:50 <pupnik> http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/711/Intel_Atom_N455_vs_Intel_Atom_N550.html
Feb 19 08:18:59 <amarsman_nl> the N550 has 2 cores
Feb 19 08:19:17 <amarsman_nl> both max 2 GB memory
Feb 19 08:36:18 <npm> http://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/
Feb 19 08:36:48 * Stskeeps looks
Feb 19 08:37:04 <Stskeeps> merged uis?
Feb 19 08:38:31 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://www.noteslate.com/philosophy.htm
Feb 19 09:10:12 <timoph> hrrr. -27
Feb 19 09:11:20 <Stskeeps> sounds cold
Feb 19 09:11:27 * Stskeeps makes note to pack long underwear
Feb 19 09:11:31 <timoph> it is :)
Feb 19 09:12:06 * timoph is mentally preparing for a trip to buy food
Feb 19 09:12:38 * kyb3R same here
Feb 19 09:12:47 <Stskeeps> order pizza?
Feb 19 09:12:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 19 09:12:59 <timoph> not a bad idea
Feb 19 09:14:31 <sandst1> timoph: naah, just go to pizzaonline.fi :P
Feb 19 09:14:33 <kyb3R> timoph: did sandst1 sugget you already that we meet at Demola next week to hack with meego-drone stuff?
Feb 19 09:14:43 <timoph> kyb3R: he did
Feb 19 09:15:09 <kyb3R> good
Feb 19 09:16:07 <timoph> tueday would work for me. Monday is going to be a long day so not sure if I'll have energy to hack anymore after work
Feb 19 09:16:10 <kyb3R> timoph: tuesday would be best for me
Feb 19 09:16:30 <sandst1> +1 for tuesday then
Feb 19 09:16:44 <kyb3R> ok, around 5pm?
Feb 19 09:16:45 <timoph> so tuesday it is?
Feb 19 09:16:58 <timoph> works for me
Feb 19 09:16:58 <sandst1> tuesday 5pm
Feb 19 09:17:11 <kyb3R> done, tuesday at 5pm at demola
Feb 19 09:30:48 <lcuk> Stskeeps, that is nice indeed :)
Feb 19 10:07:35 <lcuk> nice article, Making things hard to read 'can boost learning'       http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666
Feb 19 11:33:05 <RainCT> Where should bug reports for the intel tablet thing go?
Feb 19 11:35:26 <pupnik> RainCT: intel
Feb 19 11:46:20 <lcuk> RainCT, bugs.meego.com  - file them probably in netbook for now, but it might be an idea to also file a bug to request tablet ux categories
Feb 19 11:55:16 <bash`> hi all
Feb 19 11:56:02 <lcuk> \o
Feb 19 11:56:38 <bash`> if I create a set of PKGBUILDs (ebuilds in Gentoo) to build MeeGo for Arch Linux, can I keep the meego name for the X session or I've to change the name? (like Smeegol for SuSE)?
Feb 19 11:56:51 <bash`> ps. I don't ship binaries, only PKGBUILDs
Feb 19 11:58:15 <Stskeeps> bash`: there is guidelines, sec
Feb 19 11:59:59 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance_primer_1.0
Feb 19 12:00:02 <bash`> ok
Feb 19 12:00:41 <Stskeeps> this is -current policy- and there is policy bugs where clarifications/less harsh policy is being crafted
Feb 19 12:02:25 <lcuk> are there any qt/meego/maemo apps for testing responsiveness of touchscreens, so check for misclicks or misswipes and actually come up with a comparative figure
Feb 19 12:02:36 <lcuk> *to check for
Feb 19 12:08:35 <ShadowJK> hm, how would you measure that
Feb 19 12:08:51 * ShadowJK is having lots of issues with his new samsung netbook's capacitive touchpad
Feb 19 12:08:59 <ShadowJK> would be nice to have metrics
Feb 19 12:15:07 <lcuk> ShadowJK, yeah I don't know either
Feb 19 12:15:42 <lcuk> but certainly, touchscreen experiences in street use vs lab conditions is different
Feb 19 12:15:54 <lcuk> it does not help when UI expects lab condition precision
Feb 19 12:15:57 <ShadowJK> biggest issue is that it's flush with the case, I don't feel where it starts or stops
Feb 19 12:16:11 <lcuk> ShadowJK, that is device specific (n900)
Feb 19 12:16:12 <ShadowJK> asus has textured touchpad area and smooth glossy the rest so you can feel where it is
Feb 19 12:16:33 <lcuk> I wasn't thinking touchpads necessarily
Feb 19 12:16:38 <lcuk> touchscreens
Feb 19 12:17:00 <ShadowJK> Yeah I know
Feb 19 12:19:05 <ShadowJK> accuracy, precision, sensitivity
Feb 19 12:20:29 <lcuk> ShadowJK, when I had the n810
Feb 19 12:20:44 <lcuk> it never had a perfect ts for finger use
Feb 19 12:20:56 <lcuk> so all the ui and interactions I thought of tried to account for that
Feb 19 12:21:00 <lcuk> "imperfect computing"
Feb 19 12:22:13 <ShadowJK> the edges and stylus keyboard are finger usable on my N800, but the thumb keyboard is harder to use cause of low sensitivity in the middle of screen :)
Feb 19 12:22:34 <lcuk> yeah over time it seems they sag in the middle like a cake
Feb 19 12:22:36 <ShadowJK> N810 is overall less sensitive for me
Feb 19 12:22:55 <lcuk> yeah my original n810 now has an entire zone in the centre that does not react to finger at all
Feb 19 12:23:02 <lcuk> but works happily on its stylus
Feb 19 12:23:35 <ShadowJK> I mostly use N800 with fingers nowadays
Feb 19 12:23:47 <ShadowJK> except when typing in lots of things in xterm
Feb 19 12:24:08 * lcuk still really prefers hardware keyboard
Feb 19 12:24:24 <ShadowJK> of course
Feb 19 12:24:48 <lcuk> to the extend I never saw the n800 or iphone as a computer
Feb 19 12:24:55 <lcuk> extent
Feb 19 12:25:06 <ShadowJK> N800 = surf in bed, N810 = alarm clock, weather forecast, music on bedside table :)
Feb 19 12:25:12 <lcuk> haha
Feb 19 12:25:47 <lcuk> ShadowJK, setting the alarm on the n810 was a bit bob
Feb 19 12:25:52 <lcuk> n900 got it much better :)
Feb 19 12:25:58 <ShadowJK> well
Feb 19 12:26:02 * lcuk adores the unlimited alarm feature :)
Feb 19 12:26:17 <ShadowJK> oh you mean snooze forever?
Feb 19 12:26:27 <lcuk> no, once you set an alarm time
Feb 19 12:26:32 <lcuk> you can set more and more
Feb 19 12:26:35 <ShadowJK> one time I hit snooze for 9 hours before getting up
Feb 19 12:26:39 <lcuk> and activate and deactivate at will
Feb 19 12:27:21 <ShadowJK> My Nokia E75 replaces "Snooze" with "Stop" after an hour or so
Feb 19 12:27:30 <lcuk> lol
Feb 19 12:27:31 * ShadowJK discovered it the unpleasant way :P
Feb 19 12:50:12 <trumee> are there any plans of incorporating MythTv in meego?
Feb 19 12:50:36 <pupnik> what's that
Feb 19 12:50:50 <trumee> pupnik, pvr
Feb 19 12:51:08 <niala1> a xbmc like
Feb 19 12:51:14 <pupnik> oh yes
Feb 19 12:51:44 * trumee has never used xbmc but loves MythTV
Feb 19 12:51:56 <trumee> pupnik, http://www.mythtv.org/
Feb 19 12:52:11 <pupnik> i tried getting it working once - hated the setup
Feb 19 12:52:24 <trumee> It will be ubercool to use mythtv on a tablet
Feb 19 12:52:42 <pupnik> what - exactly - do you want to do?
Feb 19 12:53:01 <trumee> pupnik, watch LiveTv on a meego device
Feb 19 12:53:20 <pupnik> from what source?
Feb 19 12:53:24 <trumee> pupnik, streamed from my mythtv backend
Feb 19 12:53:30 <pupnik> oh you mean a client
Feb 19 12:53:46 <trumee> pupnik, yes or a frontend
Feb 19 12:53:57 <pupnik> you could have been talking about a server for a settop box
Feb 19 12:54:35 <pupnik> on the n900 i use knots client to watch movies, streamed/captured video
Feb 19 12:54:48 <pupnik> but that doesn't do the pvr
Feb 19 12:55:03 <trumee> pupnik, yes i do use knots as well with mythtv. but it cannot do livetv
Feb 19 12:55:16 <niala1> readme say he need libmp3lame so you must start with this
Feb 19 12:56:10 <niala1> i don't know about XMLTV
Feb 19 12:56:34 <trumee> niala1, XMLTV is not really required on the frontend
Feb 19 12:56:47 <trumee> niala1, it is only needed at the backend
Feb 19 12:56:52 <pupnik> is there a QT mythtv frontend?
Feb 19 12:57:08 <trumee> niala1, yes. Mythtv is coded in Qt
Feb 19 12:57:57 <trumee> pupnik, No other frontend except Qt
Feb 19 12:58:41 <trumee> pupnik, although there were bits of Qt3 before but now it is mostly Qt4
Feb 19 12:58:49 <pupnik> sounds good
Feb 19 12:59:11 <plr_> trumee: what kind of hardware is needed for the mythtv backend
Feb 19 12:59:43 <trumee> plr_, depends on what is the source of your Tv
Feb 19 12:59:49 <Stskeeps> myth is qt?
Feb 19 12:59:54 <Stskeeps> nice
Feb 19 13:00:16 <plr_> trumee: we have cable, dvb-c
Feb 19 13:00:29 <trumee> plr_, atom is good enough for SD content
Feb 19 13:01:13 <trumee> plr_, either a dvb-c card or hookup your settopbox via svideo
Feb 19 13:01:29 <trumee> plr_, which part of the world are you in?
Feb 19 13:01:35 <plr_> trumee: finland
Feb 19 13:02:23 <trumee> plr_, not sure if dvb-c is encrypted in finland. but you can connected stb to the pc
Feb 19 13:02:47 <plr_> trumee: I don't think the public channels are, but commercial ones for sure
Feb 19 13:03:03 <trumee> Stskeeps, so will there be any interest in mythtv on meego?
Feb 19 13:03:40 <Stskeeps> trumee: dunno, but qt would help. how about licensing?
Feb 19 13:03:52 <trumee> Stskeeps, gpl i suppose
Feb 19 13:05:42 <niala_big-bang-t> later trumee
Feb 19 14:10:36 <CosmoHill> get berndhs and GAN900
Feb 19 14:11:17 <GAN900> What?
Feb 19 14:11:22 <CosmoHill> hey*
Feb 19 14:11:29 <GAN900> Oh, hi. :)
Feb 19 14:11:37 <berndhs> mornin
Feb 19 14:11:48 <CosmoHill> my right hand was one key to the left
Feb 19 14:12:40 <berndhs> so should have been "hry" ?
Feb 19 14:13:02 <CosmoHill> e is on the left hand
Feb 19 14:13:20 <berndhs> ah
Feb 19 14:28:51 <alterego> Anyone know how to do compile time meego platform detection in Qt .pro files?
Feb 19 14:29:20 <thiago_home> alterego: what are you trying to detect?
Feb 19 14:30:14 <alterego> thiago_home: presence of OpenGL ES 2 headers
Feb 19 14:30:27 <thiago_home> alterego: no test needed
Feb 19 14:30:32 <thiago_home> MeeGo should have it
Feb 19 14:32:37 <alterego> Currently I'm using Q_WS_MAEMO_5, but I need to build for maemo/meego and desktop
Feb 19 14:32:51 <alterego> So I need to know whether to look for GLES headers or normal GL headers
Feb 19 14:32:58 <alterego> This is basically my problem ;)
Feb 19 14:32:59 <Stskeeps> gles
Feb 19 14:33:05 <thiago_home> ah
Feb 19 14:33:05 <Stskeeps> always gles
Feb 19 14:33:13 <alterego> My desktop doesn't have GLES :P
Feb 19 14:33:15 <thiago_home> let me check, I think there's a #define
Feb 19 14:33:30 <alterego> My code is compatible with both GL2/3 and GLES2
Feb 19 14:33:40 <alterego> But obviously the GLES2 headers arn't on desktop
Feb 19 14:33:52 <thiago_home> QT_OPENGL_ES_2 is defined
Feb 19 14:35:09 <Django84> hi!!
Feb 19 14:35:11 <Django84> I'm looking to buy a wireless router that has the ability to configure when connect to internet (by PPPoE) and when disconnect, automatically.
Feb 19 14:35:35 <thiago_home> Django84: good for you. Also not relevant here.
Feb 19 14:35:48 <CosmoHill> Django84: sorry, this place is for MeeGo related issues / chat
Feb 19 14:36:19 <Django84> ok guys thanks anyway
Feb 19 14:36:22 <CosmoHill> Django84: all I'd say is avoid netgear and belkin
Feb 19 14:36:24 <CosmoHill> say*
Feb 19 14:41:02 <alterego> thiago_home: by QtOpenGL?
Feb 19 14:41:08 <thiago_home> alterego: by qconfig.h
Feb 19 14:59:18 <svip> So like, after I have flashed the device, how long does it take the device to boot into MeeGo?
Feb 19 15:01:29 <Stskeeps> what device?
Feb 19 15:01:33 <svip> N900.
Feb 19 15:01:47 <Stskeeps> did you write the image to microsd?
Feb 19 15:01:52 <svip> Yes.
Feb 19 15:02:42 <Stskeeps> loaded the kernel with flasher -l -k -b?
Feb 19 15:02:54 <svip> Not -b
Feb 19 15:03:16 <Stskeeps> -f?
Feb 19 15:03:18 <CosmoHill> svip: first time takes the longest
Feb 19 15:03:27 <CosmoHill> it also depends upon the speed of the SD card you bought
Feb 19 15:03:53 <svip> Now something is happening!
Feb 19 15:04:04 <Stskeeps> i hope you used -b
Feb 19 15:04:10 <svip> I did now.
Feb 19 15:08:04 <svip> CosmoHill: It seems to be booted, but the system seems rather slow.
Feb 19 15:08:09 <svip> It took a minute for Firefox to boot.
Feb 19 15:08:49 <svip> Also, do I need the SD card afterwards?
Feb 19 15:09:09 <CosmoHill> yes, meego runs off the SD card
Feb 19 15:09:38 <svip> Hm.
Feb 19 15:09:45 <svip> That's why you recommend SDHC.
Feb 19 15:11:35 <psycho_oreos> SDHC just means High Capacity SD :p It doesn't imply anything to do with speed. Speeds for SDHC are noted as Class ranging from 2 - 10, with 10 being the fastest
Feb 19 15:12:32 <svip> Well, I will have to redo this process when I get my own MicroSD card.
Feb 19 15:12:43 <svip> I got impatient, so I lended a friend's.
Feb 19 15:13:28 <psycho_oreos> you meant you borrowed
Feb 19 15:45:57 <quetzalzun> join #libreplanet
Feb 19 15:46:17 * thiago_home gives quetzalzun a slash
Feb 19 15:46:31 <quetzalzun> sorry for that : P
Feb 19 16:02:52 <Venemo_N900> hi
Feb 19 16:04:19 <CosmoHill> .o/
Feb 19 16:08:41 <lynxis> n'abend
Feb 19 16:13:36 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Is that a side-ways, one-eyed frown?  Or a dude waving at his friened from a long distance?
Feb 19 16:19:38 <gabrbedd> npm: I tried changing themes in Mixxx... and it didn't change the issue I'm having.  Thanks for the suggestion, tho.
Feb 19 16:22:10 <vgrade1> Take the red pill, #meego #tegra2 xterm and meegotouchhome images. #joggler #tablet ux and #xbmc images on bug10738.openaos.org
Feb 19 16:22:13 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed
Feb 19 16:27:26 <wazd> Hello all
Feb 19 16:27:32 <Stskeeps> lo wzzd
Feb 19 16:27:35 <Stskeeps> er, wazd
Feb 19 16:28:04 <wazd> Stskeeps: o/, hows it going?
Feb 19 16:29:27 <Stskeeps> wazd: good, you?
Feb 19 16:31:34 <wazd> Stskeeps: me too, we've decided to participate in intel's meego app contest :)
Feb 19 16:31:47 <Stskeeps> sounds like a good idea, a lot of prices :)
Feb 19 16:32:07 <wazd> Stskeeps: $50k for the "most elegant app" :)
Feb 19 16:32:58 <wazd> Stskeeps: looks like a nice opportunity for me :)
Feb 19 16:33:59 <Stskeeps> wazd: hehe ;)
Feb 19 16:35:00 <wazd> Stskeeps: you can try to do something too :)
Feb 19 16:35:18 <Stskeeps> wazd: nah, i'm good
Feb 19 16:42:09 <wazd> Stskeeps: you don't want additional 50k? Damn, it's good to be you :D
Feb 19 16:43:04 <Stskeeps> wazd: i'm not much for competitions, i'm better at earning through good work :)
Feb 19 16:43:44 <wazd> Stskeeps: well, me too, but I'd take a shot anyway :)
Feb 19 17:26:47 <CosmoHill> oh bollocks, my two select keys have come off my phone
Feb 19 17:31:12 <MindWarper> toutchy toutchy
Feb 19 17:31:21 <MindWarper> :)
Feb 19 17:31:40 <berndhs> 50% change of gluing them back on in the wrong order ?
Feb 19 17:32:14 <CosmoHill> nope, they're attached to each other
Feb 19 17:32:59 <MindWarper> if you laptop keys come of your in for treat
Feb 19 17:33:54 <CosmoHill> I'll need to go to the market on tuesday and get a new keypad, maybe a new case too
Feb 19 17:33:54 <MindWarper> try to stik them in is almost impossible :)
Feb 19 17:34:49 * CosmoHill goes off to play ganmes
Feb 19 18:52:52 <npm> gabrbedd: hmmm.. changing skins in mixxx did it for me . in fact if you use the stock CCRMA version of MIXXX on fedora, you'll see the same problem (but it may be dependent on graphics drivers etc according to KDE/Qt people)
Feb 19 18:56:08 <gabrbedd> npm: Yeah, I think this is a different issue.
Feb 19 18:56:36 <gabrbedd> npm: I don't know of many people playing with Mixxx on a GLES setup.
Feb 19 18:59:59 <npm> hmm... yeah i forgot about the GLES part. so what happens with different values for QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM
Feb 19 19:01:05 <npm> e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-graphics-wg/+spec/multimedia-linaro-qt-1105
Feb 19 19:02:15 <npm> gabrbedd: have you seen this: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/ :-) :-)
Feb 19 19:02:50 <npm> ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003477.html )
Feb 19 19:07:40 <gabrbedd> npm: I tried `mixxx -graphicssystem raster` and it didn't really change anything... and I couldn't get menus and stuff to pull up.
Feb 19 19:08:00 <gabrbedd> npm: But that's kind of beside the point... because I want OpenGL :-)
Feb 19 19:08:13 <gabrbedd> npm: Yeah, I saw the ML post... nice screen shots.  :-)
Feb 19 19:10:25 <npm> it's more than screenshots... it actually works as my netbook
Feb 19 19:10:57 <philips> build.meego.com has a lot of footer links still pointing at Novell/openSUSE
Feb 19 19:16:46 <andre__> philips, is that a problem?
Feb 19 19:17:42 <philips> andre__: Uh, yes, I think you would rather redirect people to bugs.meego.com instead of bugzilla.novell.com for example ;)
Feb 19 19:18:12 <andre__> philips, I don't get it.
Feb 19 19:18:48 <andre__> (and if Novell or Redhat own the copyright on a particular piece of software in my GNOME desktop, I still go to GNOME's Bugzilla, so I don't get your point)
Feb 19 19:18:49 <thiago_home> philips: it's the OpenSUSE Build Service
Feb 19 19:18:56 <thiago_home> why should we not credit OpenSUSE?
Feb 19 19:19:00 <andre__> if they have the copyright on it, they have it. full stop.
Feb 19 19:21:01 <philips> andre__: the footer on build.meego.com has a link called Help: "Reporting a Bug" which tells you how to report a bug against openSUSE the Linux distro...
Feb 19 19:21:14 <andre__> philips, aha! now that's something completely different.
Feb 19 19:21:30 <philips> andre__: Same with the forum link, etc
Feb 19 19:21:46 <andre__> I see. I thought you just refered to the copyright. Sorry, got you wrong
Feb 19 19:22:10 <philips> andre__: oh, no, I meant the links
Feb 19 19:22:13 <andre__> philips, file a report in bugs.meego.com about it, please
Feb 19 19:22:29 <andre__> thanks in advance!
Feb 19 19:26:28 <philips> andre__: done.
Feb 19 19:26:37 <andre__> thanks
Feb 19 19:26:51 <gabrbedd> npm: Yes, I know it's more than screenshots.  :-)
Feb 19 19:27:46 <ali1234> btw, the community OBS was the same, last time i checked
Feb 19 19:37:03 <slizardo> Hello!
Feb 19 19:37:37 <andre__> hi
Feb 19 19:38:15 <slizardo> Hi, andre__, we are only two here? :-o
Feb 19 19:38:56 <andre__> no, but this is IRC. if everybody starts writing "Hi" too I couldn't spot the real messages anymore in all that noise ;-)
Feb 19 19:39:07 <andre__> so I have the "Hi" response task for this hour, and next hour it's somebody else.
Feb 19 19:39:38 <slizardo> jeje, good to know that. Very convenient.
Feb 19 19:39:41 <gabrbedd> andre__: LOL!
Feb 19 19:40:06 <slizardo> Is this the right place to ask a technical question about MeeGo? (from a developer point of view)
Feb 19 19:40:25 <andre__> go ahead and just ask :)
Feb 19 19:40:33 <andre__> if it's the wrong channel we could still redirect you...
Feb 19 19:41:00 <slizardo> Ok. I am creating a MeeGo application using QtCreator, C++, and the wonderful Qt libraries...
Feb 19 19:41:36 <slizardo> All my "experiments" with the technology have gone ok so far.
Feb 19 19:43:03 <slizardo> Now I want to persist user preferences. And I couldn't find any example or documentation. My hesitates are basically,... can I write to the filesystem directly? Should I use a standard directory? The regular systems calls are permitted or should I use another mechanism?
Feb 19 19:44:15 <gabrbedd> slizardo: Either use QSettings...
Feb 19 19:44:32 <gabrbedd> slizardo: or write your data to $HOME/.config/my_app_name/
Feb 19 19:44:58 <slizardo> Humm... interesting, gabrbedd.  QSettings.
Feb 19 19:45:47 <gabrbedd> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qsettings.html
Feb 19 19:46:12 <thiago_home> see QDesktopServices::storageLocation
Feb 19 19:46:21 <thiago_home> it has a directory that is for your own app
Feb 19 19:47:03 <slizardo> Very useful that too, thiago_home.
Feb 19 19:47:44 <slizardo> From I can see on the documentation for QSettings...
Feb 19 19:48:41 <slizardo> Is an excellent class to store key=>value information. I will use it in certain
Feb 19 19:48:47 <slizardo> But...
Feb 19 19:51:06 <slizardo> If I want to store lot of information with structured information, such as an XML, .. the way to obtain a path where to save it is using the solution suggested by thiago_home, I suppose. Am I right?
Feb 19 19:51:44 <thiago_home> yes
Feb 19 19:54:00 <slizardo> Cool, and now the last thing. Is there something like a sqlite in MeeGo?
Feb 19 19:54:24 <slizardo> (I mean, official support for sqlite, or an alternative library/service)
Feb 19 19:54:47 <berndhs> there is sqlite
Feb 19 19:54:58 <gabrbedd> thiago_home:  Looks like you have to use QApplication::applicationName() and QApplication::organizationName() in order for QDesktopServices::storageLocation(DataLocation) to work.
Feb 19 19:55:00 <gabrbedd> Right?
Feb 19 19:55:25 <thiago_home> gabrbedd: right
Feb 19 19:55:50 <gabrbedd> thiago_home: thx  slizard: did you follow that?
Feb 19 19:56:24 <thiago_home> slizardo: sqlite should come standard
Feb 19 19:57:16 <slizardo> gabrbedd: yes.
Feb 19 19:57:34 <slizardo> Ok, that was all I needed
Feb 19 19:58:34 <slizardo> I'm very grateful for all your help, andre__, gabrbedd, thiago_home, berndhs!
Feb 19 19:59:03 <andre__> you're welcome!
Feb 19 19:59:05 <gabrbedd> slizardo: my pleasure!
Feb 19 20:01:36 <slizardo> See you next time, bye!
Feb 19 21:10:03 <crevetor> Stskeeps: Hi
Feb 19 21:10:57 <crevetor> I have a couple of questions regarding n900 camera and gps ? do you have a few minutes ?
Feb 19 21:16:26 <Stskeeps> crevetor: sorry, 10pm here so i'm not around :)
Feb 19 21:22:09 <crevetor> Stskeeps: at what time can I catch you ?
Feb 19 21:22:34 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, do you remember when am I supposed to send you the freerunner back?
Feb 19 21:23:18 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: 2013
Feb 19 21:23:29 <crevetor> Well maybe someone else knows this : I have a running 2.6.35.9 kernel with everything needed for the cameras to work but I can't get the v4l devices to show up
Feb 19 21:23:42 <crevetor> I don't know if I'm missing a module or something.
Feb 19 21:23:59 <Stskeeps> crevetor: ask theodor and guys in #meego-arm during typical office hours (8am-5pm finnish time)
Feb 19 21:24:26 <crevetor> Stskeeps: thanks
Feb 19 21:24:31 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: how broken is it nowadays?
Feb 19 21:25:08 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, it works great
Feb 19 21:25:17 <TomaszD> for limited values of "great"
Feb 19 21:25:39 <TomaszD> I mean, as good as a freerunner
Feb 19 21:25:46 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: well, just send it back when you don't want it, i guess :P
Feb 19 21:26:08 <TomaszD> I'm waiting for the replacement board with an OMAP 3850
Feb 19 21:26:09 <TomaszD> :)
Feb 19 21:26:30 <Stskeeps> if it didn't work, i would also have accepted a video with it falling from a high height
Feb 19 21:26:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Feb 19 21:27:04 <TomaszD> I'm gonna smash it on a slab of concrete during New Year's Eve in 2012
Feb 19 21:27:13 <TomaszD> record it and send you the video
Feb 19 21:27:14 <TomaszD> deal?
Feb 19 21:27:27 <Stskeeps> nah :P anyway, you know my addy if you want to send it back :)
Feb 19 21:27:36 <TomaszD> yup
Feb 19 21:28:09 <TomaszD> The Secure Office, Warsaw
Feb 19 21:33:24 <Jartza_> 120°C temperature change... that felt gooood :)
Feb 19 21:33:57 <Stskeeps> Jartza: finland sounds really cold atm
Feb 19 21:34:34 <CosmoHill> my aunty and cousin are going to lapland tomorrow
Feb 19 21:34:52 <Jartza> Stskeeps: it is.
Feb 19 21:35:09 <Jartza> it's -27°C outside here and I just came out from sauna which was over 90°C :)
Feb 19 21:35:19 <Jartza> chilled outside for few minutes
Feb 19 21:36:03 <Stskeeps> it occasionally baffles me why humans would settle in areas that gets that cold :P
Feb 19 21:36:34 <crevetor> Stskeeps: Where do you live ?
Feb 19 21:36:45 <Stskeeps> crevetor: poland, used to live in denmark
Feb 19 21:36:50 <crevetor> Stskeeps: Ok
Feb 19 21:36:57 <mihero_> some of us like to do thing hard way:)
Feb 19 21:37:05 <mihero_> things
Feb 19 21:37:13 <crevetor> I live in Canada but it rarely gets that cold.
Feb 19 21:37:25 <mihero_> Stskeeps: why now in poland?
Feb 19 21:37:28 <crevetor> -30 happens but not that often
Feb 19 21:37:52 <CosmoHill> the UK starts to crumple at about 5C
Feb 19 21:38:07 <Jartza> Stskeeps: I've spent days thinking, why on earth some prehistoric people settled down here in finland :)
Feb 19 21:39:17 <Jartza> my only logical solution is that they were chasing some reindeer over the icy sea and after 2 months when they were finally returning, the sea wasn't on ice anymore :)
Feb 19 21:39:25 <Jartza> and they just had to stay
Feb 19 21:40:07 <berndhs> reminds me of the first white people who came to Canada
Feb 19 21:40:15 <berndhs> Newfoundland
Feb 19 21:40:19 <berndhs> the vikings
Feb 19 21:40:57 <berndhs> after 2 years they had the good sense to go back home - to Greenland
Feb 19 21:43:24 <CosmoHill> http://i.imgur.com/qE1vp.png
Feb 19 21:43:54 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: It crumples because it's a bunch of hot air in a tin gas can.
Feb 19 21:44:23 <CosmoHill> do you remember when the euro star broke because it was "the wrong type of snow"
Feb 19 21:44:33 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Ha ha!  Nice pic.  Yours?
Feb 19 21:44:39 <CosmoHill> nope
Feb 19 21:45:11 <gabrbedd> no... googling it.
Feb 19 21:45:21 <CosmoHill> could you imagine after so many erm...things..he remote desktoped back to the first computer
Feb 19 21:45:45 <Stskeeps> mihero_: the usual story, meet beautiful polish girl, meet her culture..
Feb 19 21:45:45 <gabrbedd> LOL!  Who ordered this snow??
Feb 19 21:46:22 <npm> regarding app storage, also consider: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#offline-storage-api
Feb 19 21:46:41 <CosmoHill> gabrbedd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8423851.stm
Feb 19 21:50:58 <npm> finland looks colder than canada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMD1k16baVE (where is that video shot -- looks amazing)
Feb 19 21:51:06 <mihero_> Stskeeps: ah, good reason:) I thought you just had moved to lower cost country to do your work:)
Feb 19 21:51:46 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: That's wild! I can see how stuff like that happens, though.
Feb 19 21:51:49 <Stskeeps> mihero_: the taxes and prices of things here does help things
Feb 19 21:51:55 <berndhs> some parts of Canada are colder than others :)
Feb 19 21:52:30 <CosmoHill> gabrbedd: boredom and firewalls are the only two reasons I can come up with
Feb 19 21:53:48 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Well, a CS equivalent would be a race condition that worked for 15 years and is suddently being uncovered by a new use-case.
Feb 19 21:54:07 <mihero_> what kind of tax base there is in poland?
Feb 19 21:54:56 <Stskeeps> mihero_: slightly less than scandinavian countries :P
Feb 19 21:55:33 <mihero_> i was two years ago long weekend in gdansk, atleast that place was quite nice and zubrowska is cheep and good:)
Feb 19 21:55:56 <berndhs> mihero_: about 38 million ?
Feb 19 21:55:56 <mihero_> hehe
Feb 19 22:00:43 <CosmoHill> the nokia 6220c is actually fairly usable even without the two buttons at the top of the keypad
Feb 20 01:26:08 <CosmoHill> cyas
Feb 20 02:18:01 <rickabillie> does Meego work on older laptops (ie non-x64)?
Feb 20 02:20:02 <rickabillie> (the live image works fine on my GF's newer laptop, but doesn't get past the boot selection page on my older (Dell inspiton m600)one)
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