**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 20 02:59:57 2011
Feb 20 04:00:17 <siva> hai
Feb 20 07:43:29 <Stskeeps> morn RST38h
Feb 20 07:43:46 <RST38h> Moo, Stskeeps
Feb 20 09:02:34 <djszapi> How can I build an rpm package for meego about my cmake based KDE project in the easiest manner ? (locally, without OBS if that is possible).
Feb 20 09:03:01 <djszapi> (like with cpack for Maemo5 - deb package previously).
Feb 20 09:04:08 <djszapi> The target is my N900 - arm.
Feb 20 09:09:28 <sjokkis> djszapi: osc
Feb 20 09:09:52 <sjokkis> djszapi: or just convert your deb, i guess
Feb 20 09:32:55 <djszapi> sjokkis: Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: basic auth failed -> when I try to follow this first step: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1#Running_OSC_the_first_time
Feb 20 09:44:06 <Cptn_Sandwich> hello
Feb 20 09:44:34 <Cptn_Sandwich> is it possible to install meego to a usb drive and then switch off the hd completely for energy savings?
Feb 20 09:59:17 <djszapi> I have read pro/cont about the battery charging option via the laptop usb on the internet in case of N900. Can it be charged properly from the host PC over the usb connection ? How could I check this from cli for instance to make sure ?
Feb 20 10:25:01 <obit_sweden> Have a little gpl license question. A nice thing would be to have zfs  capability in meego . This could be achieved by compiling and make the KQ Infotech zfs loadable kernel module available as a package for meego. But will this violate GPL or not ?
Feb 20 10:27:49 <obit_sweden> Or if a manufacture would like to include ZFS in a product based on meego where he preload the ZFS  loadable kernel module , will that violate GPL ?
Feb 20 10:28:25 <Stskeeps> obit_sweden: possibly, but there are many interpretations
Feb 20 10:29:48 <obit_sweden> Stskeeps: Yes seems like this is a tricky question to get a 'full' answer.
Feb 20 10:29:48 <achipa> obit_sweden: is this about http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatAboutTheLicensingIssue ?
Feb 20 10:31:11 <obit_sweden> achipa: yes that's what I'm talking about. Problem is that some people thinks it's ok to mix CDDL with gpl as long as you don't make it a part of the kernel
Feb 20 10:31:21 <obit_sweden> and some don't
Feb 20 10:32:21 <obit_sweden> And what if I make it a part of my product ? it's still a loadable kernel module and thereby not a part of the kernel itself
Feb 20 10:33:30 <obit_sweden> but if I make it a part of a 'ready' product it's already preloaded in the kernel and what defines a loadable kernel module ?
Feb 20 11:33:49 <vgrade1> morning
Feb 20 11:50:45 <Jaffa> lcuk: Your bday today?
Feb 20 11:50:55 <lcuk> yessir
Feb 20 11:51:11 <lcuk> I am heading to the Manchester Museum of Science and tech too :)
Feb 20 11:52:16 <pixelgeek> Happy Birthday lcuk!
Feb 20 11:53:25 <CosmoHill> happy birthday lcuk :D
Feb 20 11:53:47 <iekku> lcuk, happy birthday!
Feb 20 11:53:59 <Jaffa> lcuk: Cool place
Feb 20 11:54:09 <Jaffa> lcukL Happy birthday (and to lbt too)
Feb 20 11:54:26 <CosmoHill> is it lbt's birthday too?
Feb 20 11:55:03 <Jaffa> According to my N900 calendar which'll've got it from FB
Feb 20 11:59:31 <lcuk> :D thx
Feb 20 11:59:40 <lcuk> and Happy Birthday lbt too!
Feb 20 12:20:35 <lcuk> Jaffa, did you read Stskeeps' mail about r&d branding?
Feb 20 12:42:11 <beleo> hi
Feb 20 12:43:10 <beleo> intel showed some tablets running meego at the mwc
Feb 20 12:43:27 <beleo> I was wondering where are the source for the meego tablet ux?
Feb 20 12:43:42 <beleo> I couldn't find them on http://meego.gitorious.org/
Feb 20 12:45:47 <CosmoHill> beleo: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/sourcecenter
Feb 20 12:49:00 <lcuk> haha in the screenshot I added to bug 13516 it shows a bit of the calendar where I used to test building sketchfonts
Feb 20 12:49:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project"
Feb 20 13:35:50 <jbos_away> hi there,
Feb 20 13:36:22 <jbos_away> i just put some thoughts about the meego-sdk together on www.jeremias-bosch.com
Feb 20 13:36:26 <jbos_away> :D
Feb 20 13:37:02 <jbos_away> would love to see comments. I have some Ideas how to improve the thing but well...
Feb 20 16:16:55 <vlj> hi
Feb 20 16:17:04 <vlj> ab: ping
Feb 20 16:19:37 <vlj> thiago_home: ping too
Feb 20 17:23:31 <CosmoHill> looks like I can get free navigation on my nokia 6220c now where as before I'd of had to pay for it
Feb 20 17:35:00 <berndhs> CosmoHill: all right, you can travel the world now
Feb 20 17:44:17 <CosmoHill> dammit, I don't want a damn ovi account, I just want the map
Feb 20 17:53:24 <fosstux> Hi! How can I help the development of meego core? What programming languages are needed?
Feb 20 17:53:40 <Stskeeps> fosstux: there's a lot of different ones :)
Feb 20 17:54:03 <fosstux> okay.
Feb 20 17:54:40 <Stskeeps> fosstux: best skill is to learn packaging, really :) and shell script/C/C++/Qt/QML
Feb 20 17:59:11 <CosmoHill> anyone know why I'm downloading 72MB for 3 fixes on the ovi suite?
Feb 20 18:00:50 <lcuk> because they are big fixes!
Feb 20 18:01:46 <iekku> small fixes in the big package?
Feb 20 18:02:25 <lcuk> anti-compression technology
Feb 20 18:03:00 <CosmoHill> instead of patching my current install it wants the whole new thing
Feb 20 18:03:45 <CosmoHill> I better have free navigation by the end of all this
Feb 20 18:04:42 <lcuk> and a Hannah Montana screensaver.
Feb 20 18:04:52 <CosmoHill> a what?
Feb 20 18:05:45 <lcuk> o_O a really really old but awesome pisstake on old ovi experience http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009/10/shopping-at-the-ovi-store/
Feb 20 18:12:41 <MindWarper> has everybody joined #reactOS ?
Feb 20 18:13:01 <Stskeeps> what does that matter here? P
Feb 20 18:13:07 <javispedro> yes!
Feb 20 18:13:29 <javispedro> (err... no ;) )
Feb 20 18:13:43 <lcuk> MindWarper, We asked the people in #reactOS before and they said they were installing #MeeGo instead
Feb 20 18:14:05 <lcuk> if you don't believe me, ask them yourself
Feb 20 18:14:27 <CosmoHill> interesting, the nokia installer is requesting permission to install
Feb 20 18:14:35 <CosmoHill> "program name: ${sign.name}"
Feb 20 18:14:36 <berndhs> but be sure to ask every one of them, there must be billions and billions
Feb 20 18:15:04 <lcuk> CosmoHill, real signature needed?
Feb 20 18:15:52 <lcuk> . o O ( keysigning would indeed be different if it needed handwritten signature )
Feb 20 18:16:15 <CosmoHill> the program name should be "Ovi Suite"
Feb 20 18:27:22 <CosmoHill> I have a feeling the ovi suite is being a cockend
Feb 20 18:27:49 * CosmoHill puts a coin in the swear jar
Feb 20 18:37:28 <CosmoHill> "something's wrong, try removing and reinstalling the ovi suite"
Feb 20 18:37:32 <CosmoHill> get knotted!
Feb 20 19:08:47 <VLJ> ab: hi
Feb 20 19:25:59 <Railroadmaster> hello
Feb 20 19:27:31 <Railroadmaster> anyone their?
Feb 20 19:27:40 <Stskeeps> evening
Feb 20 19:27:49 <Railroadmaster> to you to
Feb 20 19:27:52 <lpotter> morning
Feb 20 19:28:04 <Railroadmaster> for me its about noon
Feb 20 19:30:12 <Railroadmaster> did anyone here about MeeGo being ported to the Archos 5 http://www.openaos.org/archives/666
Feb 20 19:32:12 <Railroadmaster> k
Feb 20 19:42:25 <Jaffa> lcuk: No, where did he send it?
Feb 20 19:42:37 <Jaffa> lcuk: I've now seen bug 13515
Feb 20 19:42:38 <Stskeeps> not an email, it's on bugzilla
Feb 20 19:42:40 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13515 nor, Undecided, ---, fathi.boudra, NEW, QtWebkit rendering slow probably due to no gl
Feb 20 19:43:59 <Jaffa> s/13515/13516/
Feb 20 19:43:59 <infobot> Jaffa meant: lcuk: I've now seen bug 13516
Feb 20 19:44:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project"
Feb 20 19:44:07 <Stskeeps> yeah, that one
Feb 20 19:44:14 <Stskeeps> i think it's a pretty nice way to deal with a lot of issues
Feb 20 19:51:46 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Including Tablet UX, perhapsd ;-)
Feb 20 19:56:50 <Jaffa> Gah, laggy Mobile Hotspot connection
Feb 20 19:57:21 <hena> haha
Feb 20 20:08:07 <VLJ> hi
Feb 20 20:08:09 <VLJ> ab: ping
Feb 20 20:08:18 <VLJ> RST38h: ping too
Feb 20 20:10:47 <Aranel> is there any way to speed up VNC Server on N900? It's very slow and painful to use :|
Feb 20 20:11:43 <thiago_home> yes
Feb 20 20:24:26 <Aranel> oops wrong channel :)
Feb 20 20:24:35 <Aranel> thiago_home: anyway, how? :)
Feb 20 20:25:00 <thiago_home> maemo5 or meego?
Feb 20 20:25:11 <Aranel> maemo5
Feb 20 20:25:39 <thiago_home> install the vnc server
Feb 20 20:27:00 <Aranel> thiago_home: x11vnc isn't it? already installed.
Feb 20 20:27:15 <thiago_home> now run it
Feb 20 20:27:35 <Aranel> running
Feb 20 20:28:55 <Aranel> it's very slow, It feels like 2 frames per second and I'm on a LAN connection.
Feb 20 20:29:15 <Stskeeps> well, that's vnc for you..
Feb 20 20:30:26 <Aranel> can't I make it perform better? by a dirty hack? howto page? something I missed?
Feb 20 20:31:59 <VLJ> Aranel: reduce resolution ?
Feb 20 20:32:37 <Aranel> VLJ: would Maemo perform good on other resolutions?
Feb 20 20:32:43 <VLJ> no idea
Feb 20 20:32:49 <Aranel> VLJ: and how can I try that? :)
Feb 20 20:32:49 <thiago_home> Aranel: wrong channel to ask...
Feb 20 20:32:59 <VLJ> but on desktop computer, reducing resolution helps
Feb 20 20:33:11 <timoph> read the man page :)
Feb 20 20:33:11 <thiago_home> VLJ: pong btw
Feb 20 20:33:17 <Aranel> yup I know <Aranel> oops wrong channel :) , then you said "yes" and got my attention :P
Feb 20 20:33:22 <VLJ> pong thiago_home
Feb 20 20:33:34 <thiago_home> VLJ: no, you pinged me. I'm replying to the ping.
Feb 20 20:33:45 <VLJ> err yup I had a question
Feb 20 20:33:55 <VLJ> I'm using qt-creator for developpement
Feb 20 20:34:09 <VLJ> in my project, I have a data/exposures/ directory
Feb 20 20:34:17 <VLJ> I'm loading files from this directory
Feb 20 20:34:21 <Aranel> timoph: can you point me to one? Should I read the x11vnc manpage or something else?
Feb 20 20:34:36 <VLJ> however I have to put the absolute path of the files in my project
Feb 20 20:34:53 <VLJ> because qt-creator does not build project in place, but in a -build directory
Feb 20 20:35:04 <timoph> use 'man -k vnc' to search
Feb 20 20:35:28 <VLJ> is there a way to "cheat" qt-creator so that it runs the program with pwd set to the source path ?
Feb 20 20:35:46 <thiago_home> VLJ: change the path in which qt-creator builds your project in
Feb 20 20:35:54 <thiago_home> VLJ: see the Projects page
Feb 20 20:35:58 <VLJ> ok
Feb 20 20:36:08 <VLJ> is it safe to build in the same directory than src directory ?
Feb 20 20:36:31 <thiago_home> your choice
Feb 20 20:36:39 <thiago_home> I don't do that for complex projects
Feb 20 20:37:12 <VLJ> thiago_home: how do you load various resources in an "elegant" way in your projects ?
Feb 20 20:38:34 <thiago_home> either put them in Qt resources, or find them at the install dir
Feb 20 20:39:40 <VLJ> ok
Feb 20 20:39:57 <ShadowJK> x11vnc is slow even on desktop
Feb 20 21:58:08 <r4co0n> Hey guys, I am trying to get my microphone to work with MeeGo on an Asus Eee PC 901. Couldnt find anything useful when googling, anyone of you got an idea what I could do next?
Feb 20 22:16:10 <newbie007> Greetings, I'm wondering if anyone has gotten meego working on a specific tablet? it's called "Nook Color" arm based
Feb 20 22:16:25 <microlith> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2150
Feb 20 22:16:48 <microlith> I don't think anyone's kicked it off, but due to the hardware similarities it's probably an easier target than most
Feb 20 22:17:04 <newbie007> wow thanks
Feb 20 22:17:34 <newbie007> can you describe meego at all?
Feb 20 22:18:16 <microlith> "infrastructure"
Feb 20 22:18:32 <microlith> all the system level bits needed that make up a good OS
Feb 20 22:18:43 <microlith> on top of which vendors and open source users can create whatever they want for a mobile device
Feb 20 22:19:56 <newbie007> huh thanks, I think I'm going to give it a shot.
Feb 20 22:20:15 <MindWarper> i friend of mine tells me that in the future all intel processors are going to have meggo inbebed in their code something similar to slashtop is this true ?
Feb 20 22:20:43 <newbie007> I noticed the google sdk and plugins really got the programmer up to speed quickly (emulator, visual editing) does maemo have anything similar ?
Feb 20 22:20:46 <MindWarper> its going to power their VPRO feature
Feb 20 22:20:53 <thiago_home> you'd have to ask someone from intel
Feb 20 22:20:57 <thiago_home> and I doubt they'd answer
Feb 20 22:21:08 <newbie007> that is scary to me, it's a backdoor
Feb 20 22:21:51 <microlith> newbie007: the SDK provides qemu support, code editor is up to you
Feb 20 22:22:05 <thiago_home> newbie007: the meego sdk is getting that too
Feb 20 22:22:17 <thiago_home> simulator, visual editor, C++ editor, cross compiler, deployment tools
Feb 20 22:22:22 <newbie007> it allows the fbi to plug in a device which can override the OS
Feb 20 22:22:37 <newbie007> thanks, I'm going to check it out
Feb 20 22:22:50 <microlith> newbie007: no no no, if that's true then the expressgate install on my motherboard would be a backdoor. instead, it's useless at its intended purpose ;)
Feb 20 22:23:42 <MindWarper> whats expressgate ?
Feb 20 22:24:04 <microlith> MindWarper: it's a pre-boot, linux-based environment that ASUS included on a number of their motherboards
Feb 20 22:24:17 <microlith> some have it stored on the hard disk, others on the motherboard itself
Feb 20 22:24:24 <MindWarper> its the same has slashtop
Feb 20 22:24:41 <microlith> oh, you mean "splashtop"
Feb 20 22:24:41 <microlith> yes
Feb 20 22:24:59 <microlith> intel would have to get motherboard vendors to buy in on it.
Feb 20 22:25:09 <microlith> they're having a hard enough time pushing UEFI as it is...
Feb 20 22:26:00 <MindWarper> you know intel = inteligence
Feb 20 22:29:48 <microlith> MindWarper: Intel was founded on July 18, 1968, as Integrated Electronics Corporation (though a common misconception is that "Intel" is from the word intelligence)
Feb 20 22:29:54 <microlith> Intel was founded on July 18, 1968, as Integrated Electronics Corporation (though a common misconception is that "Intel" is from the word intelligence)
Feb 20 22:29:55 <microlith> err
Feb 20 22:29:59 <MindWarper> im beting whatson is loggin in on this channel has we speak :X
Feb 20 22:30:06 <microlith> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel
Feb 20 22:33:44 <MindWarper> its great to know that there are all this wealth of smart computer programs that are kept in secret because of the damn terrorist they cant be aloud to fall in the wrong hands ...
Feb 20 22:34:20 <microlith> except that makes no sense ;)
Feb 20 22:34:59 <MindWarper> i guess thats why we are moving once again into the mainframe era
Feb 20 22:36:06 <MindWarper> mainframe is such an ugly word lets call it cloud computing instead :)
Feb 20 22:41:34 <MindWarper> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/02/virtual-private-servers.ars
Feb 20 22:42:01 <MindWarper> its the new gold mine of inteligence
Feb 20 22:42:30 * TSCHAKeee rolls his @#($@ eyes
Feb 20 22:42:44 <TSCHAKeee> the world has A.D.D.
Feb 20 22:42:48 <TSCHAKeee> and a terrible memory
Feb 20 22:43:04 <MindWarper> whats aDD ?
Feb 20 22:43:32 <CosmoHill> Attention Deficit Disorder
Feb 20 22:43:37 <TSCHAKeee> Attention Deficit Disorder
Feb 20 22:43:48 <MindWarper> so what else is new ?
Feb 20 22:43:49 <CosmoHill> I win
Feb 20 22:43:49 <thiago_home> come again?
Feb 20 22:43:51 <thiago_home> :-P
Feb 20 22:44:10 <berndhs> the internet - as ubiquitous as your monthly payments
Feb 20 22:50:06 <pupnik_> Stskeeps: topic
Feb 20 23:19:01 <Dijit> hm
Feb 20 23:19:08 <Dijit> anyone know why:
Feb 20 23:19:21 <Dijit> use = Popen(["ps", "aux|", "awk '/chromium[-browser]/{total+=$4}END{print total}'"])
Feb 20 23:19:21 <Dijit> output = use.communicate()[0]
Feb 20 23:19:21 <Dijit> has the output of "None"
Feb 20 23:19:45 <Dijit> I know it's an ugly thing, but..
Feb 20 23:19:50 * Dijit shrugs
Feb 20 23:23:55 <CosmoHill> try splitting the command into smaller commands and testing them
Feb 20 23:36:09 <jonnor> Dijit: don't use awk when you have python available
Feb 20 23:36:42 <jonnor> Dijit: also, Popen does not run the process in a shell by default
Feb 20 23:36:51 <Dijit> damndamndamn
Feb 20 23:36:57 <Dijit> I'm slowly learning python
Feb 21 00:44:31 <CosmoHill> cyas
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