**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:58 2011 Feb 22 03:09:37 NishanthMenon: You still working on the panda board? Feb 22 03:09:51 gabrbedd, on and off Feb 22 03:11:22 NishanthMenon: doing too much at once? Feb 22 03:12:00 gabrbedd, :) just another day ;) -> got shifted to project management recently, so I do try to code on the sly on weekends Feb 22 03:12:12 but usually that is mostly on my primary passion - the linux kernel Feb 22 03:12:35 mostly sending patches on linux-omap now a days :( Feb 22 03:12:59 wish I could get more time to do some distro hacking.. but that tends to become rarer now a days Feb 22 03:13:01 :( Feb 22 03:13:02 NishanthMenon: Ugh! PM == babysitting. I hate it. Feb 22 03:13:23 gabrbedd, yeah - i hate it as well.. just that someone's gotta do the job.. Feb 22 03:13:36 Yeah, I know. Feb 22 03:13:37 :-) Feb 22 03:13:40 :) Feb 22 03:14:49 btw, on a different note, http://bitbar.com/blog/54/automated-ui-testing-android-applications-robotium -> something of this form for MeeGo might be nice as well Feb 22 03:16:12 I thought I saw something like that for MeeGo... Feb 22 03:18:23 qtuitest? not sure if it's the whole solution Feb 22 03:20:58 I'm not sure if it was that. I remember seeing a youtube video on it. Feb 22 03:33:36 gabrbedd, that + some equivalent of monkey test of android http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/monkey.html Feb 22 03:54:36 good night folks Feb 22 04:00:01 arrrrggghhhhh Feb 22 04:00:05 OBS is broken Feb 22 04:00:21 how the fuck am I supposed to... Feb 22 04:00:25 sigh, nevermind. Feb 22 04:00:32 and you guys wonder why people never stick around.. Feb 22 04:00:49 OBS Web Interface Error: Feb 22 04:00:53 Error Details: Feb 22 04:00:57 Errorcode: unknown Feb 22 04:00:59 Message: TSCHAKeee, i've seen few hickups with OBS once in a while, usually when OBS crew does a maintenance. have'nt noticed any notification lately though. can you drop an email to meego-packaging ML for a quick check? Feb 22 04:05:16 i'm not on that ML Feb 22 04:05:23 nor do I wish to be. Feb 22 04:05:32 I just want to develop my ($#@($#@ software Feb 22 04:05:42 TSCHAKeee, :) yep.. so do we all ;) Feb 22 04:06:01 since YOU know what to do, why don't YOU tell them? ;) Feb 22 04:06:03 * gabrbedd uses chroots instead of obs. Feb 22 04:06:25 I have a massive software project to take care of Feb 22 04:06:41 TSCHAKeee, hoping you'd get an answer.. /me does'nt like to be middle man. Feb 22 04:06:57 TSCHAKeee, ofcourse... most of us do the same thing :) Feb 22 04:07:11 meego-packaging@meego.com is the ML if you are interested Feb 22 05:24:01 can anyone tried to install meego on hp dm1z? Feb 22 05:24:07 will it work on AMD fusion e-350? Feb 22 05:25:59 anyone? Feb 22 05:29:30 doh Feb 22 05:44:26 Moaning all Feb 22 05:46:02 moaning wazd Feb 22 05:46:32 Rst38h: o/ Feb 22 05:48:41 Rst38h: starting my day with blood donation :D Feb 22 05:48:51 wazd: ticks? Feb 22 05:51:30 Rst38h: friend :) Feb 22 05:51:45 Rst38h: I'm the only one with AB- around :) Feb 22 05:51:58 vampire friend? Feb 22 05:52:47 Gabrbedd: sorta :) likes exotic food :) Feb 22 06:00:40 wazd: Oh Feb 22 07:14:24 LoCusF: ping Feb 22 07:32:37 * wazd 's dry :) Feb 22 07:33:02 ? Feb 22 07:33:11 * timeless needs a kick delivered :( Feb 22 07:33:43 timeless: pong Feb 22 07:33:55 Timeless: donated some blood Feb 22 07:35:42 http://mxr.meego.com/theme/images/meego-errors-charactor.png is cute fwiw Feb 22 07:36:45 Timeless: ehehe, true :) Feb 22 07:37:38 Timeless: I'd rather use it for "program is not responding" Feb 22 07:39:15 wazd: in my case that was the actual cause of my error Feb 22 07:40:13 Timeless: :) Feb 22 07:44:39 morn david Feb 22 07:51:03 * timeless wonders what the status of the meegon generator is Feb 22 07:51:19 * thiago_home needs one Feb 22 07:52:13 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16584&postcount=75 Feb 22 07:54:15 supposedly there's a web version.. Feb 22 08:16:49 morning Feb 22 08:27:41 gm Termana Feb 22 08:39:09 * timeless grumbles Feb 22 08:39:43 http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons#Creating_your_own is so misleading Feb 22 08:39:56 it doesn't provide any pointer to existing meegon svg files Feb 22 08:40:05 and just has links to generic inkscape tutorials Feb 22 08:53:10 timeless: hopefully, you will fix that Feb 22 08:53:29 not tiday Feb 22 08:53:33 s/i/o/ Feb 22 08:53:34 timeless meant: not today Feb 22 10:32:22 anyone out there who can tell me how to test the swype keyboard in the MWC build of the tablet UX? Feb 22 11:00:24 Hello, Who could grant me access to meego OBS? Feb 22 11:03:54 greg_: community or core? Feb 22 11:04:50 ali1234: community, I thing X-Fade is right person... Feb 22 11:04:58 yeah or lbt Feb 22 11:05:10 thanks Feb 22 11:05:47 he's going to ask you what you want to do on it too Feb 22 11:06:30 it's only for open source stuff Feb 22 12:28:31 Why is OBS access limited anyway? Is it a duallicensed free/commercial service? Feb 22 12:40:26 * lcuk goes offline to concentrate on complex instructions, I wonder whether any more will arrive later too Feb 22 13:05:37 stskeeps ping Feb 22 13:15:17 stskeeps ping Feb 22 13:17:58 notmart: you on the community list? Time to chime in on that flame fest about the tablet ux ;) Someone finally went devil's advocate, and well... time to point out that a set of community uxes has been in development for a while, but that intel threw their money at something else for some unexplored reason ; Feb 22 13:18:00 ;) Feb 22 13:18:28 leinir: uh Feb 22 13:18:35 nope, i'm not subscribed.. Feb 22 13:18:41 but that is easy to fix :p Feb 22 13:21:02 huh? Feb 22 13:22:12 leinir? Feb 22 13:22:32 trip901: yes? :) Feb 22 13:22:44 ppl complaining about the tablet ux? Feb 22 13:23:01 well, it's not about the tablet ux itself, but rather the process of creating it :) Feb 22 13:23:12 the whole walk-the-walk thing :) Feb 22 13:23:53 hmm Feb 22 13:24:44 well, in fairness, all of thre ux were developed in house before they were opened Feb 22 13:25:24 *nods* This was also pointed out... which just makes this yet another example of someone not walking the walk :) Feb 22 13:29:30 let's say this: ignoring what other communities were doing, and the desire to control the whole development is one of the reasons of the slowness of development, that in turn was one of the reasons nokia did what they did Feb 22 13:29:50 but i won't add other because it's just adding bitterness at this point Feb 22 13:37:24 slowness in development i dont think applies here Feb 22 13:37:36 notmart: i still think you should add to it... traditionally, kde has been way too much of a pushover... we can't keep doing this to ourselves :P Feb 22 13:38:34 leinir: eheh, true :) Feb 22 13:40:15 In fact, i'd suggest replying and adding a link to the video you mentioned when the tablet ux coming out, and it being somewhat reminiscent of something... ;) Feb 22 13:41:04 ooo link? Feb 22 13:42:26 trip901: if it isn't clear by now, we're of course talking about plasma-netbook, plasma-mobile and plasma-tablet here :) Feb 22 13:44:12 still, i like video Feb 22 13:44:32 and im bored and cant sleep Feb 22 13:44:34 Don't we all ;) i'm sure notmart is all over that :) Feb 22 13:44:57 * notmart digging in his blog archives Feb 22 13:45:20 *giggles and nods* Thanks! :) i could dig as well, but am working, and also expect notmart knows his archives better than me ;) Feb 22 13:45:49 trip901: ah, don't tell me about it, i'm insomniac as hell lately :p Feb 22 13:47:07 basically this http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Converging_minds Feb 22 13:52:47 trip901: So, put shortly - they could've put a bit of funding into getting notmart some help, in stead of reinventing the wheel :) Feb 22 13:54:56 leinir: the point isn't me, the point is that there was already a pretty good platform, based on qt, that will get literally years and yars to recreate Feb 22 13:55:44 notmart: Yes - just using you as a personification of a "victim" ;) Feb 22 13:55:45 but i'm not putting the blame to just one side, probably we also failed to communicate that most of it isn't about "desktop" at all Feb 22 13:56:16 leinir: eheh:) (/me goes on the sacrifice altar) Feb 22 13:57:34 True, Plasma has, after the initial bout of people calling it vapourware, sort of retreated back behind the entrance to the irc channel, and rather than talking about it, just sort of did stuff... so yeah, maybe now's the time to open those doors back up and pointing out, to the larger world, what's actually happening :) Feb 22 13:58:59 so in the end ended up with one part that didn't get its message out, the other part that didn't want to really listen (we don't need your stinky dependencies) Feb 22 13:59:08 but as i said, not time to reciminate now ;) Feb 22 13:59:33 Well, not recriminate, but point out that there is, in fact, a community effort :) Feb 22 14:00:10 interesting Feb 22 14:01:07 * trip901 atempts to sleep Feb 22 14:01:20 sleep well, trip901 :) Feb 22 14:01:48 trip901: eh, i wish you more luck on that than i had last night :p Feb 22 14:04:49 MeeGo Feb 22 14:20:25 After reading this article http://maemo.org/community/council/state_of_maemo-q12011-1/ I was wondering how many things of maemo can be useful for meego. Anyone has an answer for this? Feb 22 14:21:07 And in particular, is the thing worth the effort on maemo? Feb 22 14:25:55 * lcuk scratches head and goes to try other things to fixup networking Feb 22 14:33:01 notmart, are you saying that developping behind closed doors is slower than the same development in the open? Feb 22 14:41:40 smoku: well, when what is being developed in the open is based on something that is being developed since uhm, 13 years or so, and is completely ignored, what is being developed behind closed doors will find they have to reimplement much of this, and what could have seemed a work of some months becomes a work of years and years Feb 22 14:43:55 assuming you can reuse previous work... Feb 22 14:49:15 notmart, my point is licensing. if you own your code, you can license it however you want. jumping someone elses wagon does not give you the luxury. Feb 22 14:50:29 well, there is licensing, and there is also control of direction and decisions Feb 22 14:51:08 if you continue someone elses work, they still own it, and can decide what gets changed and what doesnt Feb 22 14:59:02 berndhs: you were right, i should have killed everything and rebooted :( Feb 22 14:59:23 that's unfortunate Feb 22 14:59:26 * timeless wonders if any intel-meego people are around Feb 22 14:59:50 arg Feb 22 14:59:57 and i can't actually get to there from here Feb 22 15:00:01 whats up timeless ? Feb 22 15:00:07 lcuk: i need mxr.in rebooted Feb 22 15:00:16 long pointy stick? Feb 22 15:00:21 i pushed the load well over 1000 Feb 22 15:00:31 or is it transatlantic length required Feb 22 15:00:36 transatlantic Feb 22 15:01:05 is it intel people you need, or LF? Feb 22 15:01:14 afaik it's intel Feb 22 15:01:43 roger Feb 22 15:03:02 if it's servers won't it be LF? Feb 22 15:03:29 hence my question CosmoHill - but I think timeless would know since he is dealing with mxr Feb 22 15:04:03 the last time I saw MXR it told me about the wonders of IE8 and SilverLight Feb 22 15:05:36 * lcuk goes and types some analoue notes Feb 22 15:05:42 analogue even Feb 22 15:05:56 CosmoHill: it's OSU hosted Feb 22 15:05:57 i have to laugh at the rage over tablet ux Feb 22 15:06:05 it's not *that* good Feb 22 15:06:08 but MeeGo is big enough that the hosting is mostly power + cage space Feb 22 15:06:24 the actual people w/ access generally work for intel, nokia, or contract to one or the other Feb 22 15:06:56 good day people. Feb 22 15:07:30 what is the state of meego for n900? can't wait to get away from maemo Feb 22 15:07:55 not useable yet Feb 22 15:09:12 hi Nils^ Feb 22 15:46:12 ~seen X-Fade Feb 22 15:46:24 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'Nah, is documented. And USB->ttl convertor is $2 on ebay :)'. Feb 22 15:46:36 infobot: but when?! Feb 22 15:47:08 also which channel Feb 22 15:48:04 lardman: friday Feb 22 15:48:14 thanks CosmoHill Feb 22 15:48:56 * lardman would like OBS access, is there someone else I can talk to? Feb 22 16:00:51 question out of the blue: does meego have support for "wifi offloading" Feb 22 16:01:13 define offloading Feb 22 16:02:37 if you're on your phone network, and wifi is available, you transfer eligible data over the wifi Feb 22 16:03:11 like when I've copying stuff over the wifi, when I plug in the ethernet it starts using that instead cos it's faster? Feb 22 16:03:40 mwichmann: network namespaces, maybe Feb 22 16:04:12 CosmoHill - something like that, although here it's not specifically for speed but for cost Feb 22 16:04:28 still there's a policy choice made somewhere Feb 22 16:04:33 i'd image detection would still be in speed Feb 22 16:04:39 wifi > 3G Feb 22 16:04:48 even if the internet over the wifi is slower Feb 22 16:04:50 mwichmann: i think there's a FEA# open for network prioritization Feb 22 16:04:55 but i might be wrong Feb 22 16:05:24 I see what you mean tho, there might be some way to specify prefered data transmission type Feb 22 16:08:59 surely connman will disconnect itself from the data network when it has wifi? Feb 22 16:09:17 it allready does this when you plug in ethernet and you are on wifi. Annoys the hell out of me Feb 22 16:10:01 I don't think it's as clear-cut a choice Feb 22 16:10:31 there may be some stuff that can only come through the data network - stuff unique to the carrier Feb 22 16:10:39 what I find is that outgoing stuff moves from wifi to ethernet if avaiable but incoming stuff will stay with whatever it was using in the begining Feb 22 16:10:41 so "disconnect" would likely be wrong Feb 22 16:12:50 mwichmann, i believe thats what android does when it comes into contact with wifi Feb 22 16:12:59 saves battery power Feb 22 16:13:22 hmmm Feb 22 16:13:47 at least my n1 looses it's 3G IP address as soon as I walk into a wifi network i know Feb 22 16:13:57 could their be something that detechs the wifi signal strength, as it weakens it prepares the 3G modem for activation and connection Feb 22 16:14:04 s/their/there/ Feb 22 16:14:05 CosmoHill meant: could there be something that detechs the wifi signal strength, as it weakens it prepares the 3G modem for activation and connection Feb 22 16:14:41 CosmoHill, that would eat the battery even more, and connecting to 3g is fairly fast Feb 22 16:15:19 so disconnect-and-fire-up-on-demand might be a viable model then? Feb 22 16:17:11 mwichmann, have a look at what android does, or/and iphone but i believe thats the model they use. I think it's the only one that truly works, no one wants two active data and wondering if they are getting charged for using mobile data or not Feb 22 16:18:56 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/ConnectivityManager.html Feb 22 17:19:39 DawnFoster: do the intel people irc? Feb 22 17:19:50 DawnFoster: i kinda need to have my box rebooted :/ Feb 22 17:21:31 Some Intel people IRC ;) (when they're not trawling through email or in mtgs) Feb 22 17:27:18 they're too busy flying around on jets and going to parties, i think Feb 22 17:34:52 timeless: adam is rebooting now Feb 22 17:34:59 thanks Feb 22 17:35:03 or please thank him Feb 22 17:35:09 timeless: looks like memory exhaustion Feb 22 17:35:16 yeah, i did something stupid Feb 22 17:35:45 i was trying to do a bunch of things in parallel Feb 22 17:35:56 a normal update run wouldn't work that way Feb 22 17:38:16 cool, thanks Feb 22 17:38:37 ok, so the server's back up Feb 22 17:38:54 sadly i was silly and didn't proactively change the root view for repo, so people can't see what i see Feb 22 17:40:59 does system-ui status menu look as borked in handset images as it does in tablet images? Feb 22 17:44:58 tripzero: Not sure what 'system-ui status menu' is... but last I checked, everything's worse on handset images (pinetrail builds) Feb 22 17:45:31 status menu is what appears when you "pull down" on the status bar (also where notifications show) Feb 22 17:47:43 anyway, i'll have dinner and move the root so people can look around in about 90mins Feb 22 17:51:59 tripzero: ...and it gives you an icon for "setup" or "settings" (can't remember which) and a blank window with an X in the corner and otherwise a gray screen? Feb 22 17:52:24 tripzero: If so... then yes it's the same on current pinetrail handset builds. Feb 22 17:52:32 okay, thanks Feb 22 18:21:23 sabotage, ping - what would happen if the dialer app were compiled as a shared library and linked directly into the window manager? waiting important vital seconds to bring up what is a required feature seems odd. Feb 22 18:22:14 (of course, that assumes the app is fully OO and available in a manner that you can create an instance of dialer to be used easily (ie a simple api around using it) Feb 22 18:22:58 certain apps like the dialer should be locked into memory and their pages marked unswappable Feb 22 18:27:52 TSCHAKeee, perhaps. How would someone find out where to test it and how much of a difference it would make? Feb 22 18:28:22 where to test it? Feb 22 18:28:51 how to set it and/or confirm that it is or is not currently doing that at the moment Feb 22 18:54:01 i think people don't get that no devices are going to ship with the reference UX... Feb 22 18:54:35 I always thought vendors would create their own UX Feb 22 18:54:46 yeah, well, you're not whinging on the ML :) Feb 22 18:54:55 :) Feb 22 18:55:11 I was talking to someone about separating branding from the packages Feb 22 18:55:12 also, you're not a maemo old-timer Feb 22 18:55:42 I've been in here since #meego opened and Ive only just learnt how to spell Maemo Feb 22 18:56:17 the maemo community took "annoying fanboy" to a whole new level :/ Feb 22 18:56:48 not only do they hate everything else, they also hate the product they are a fanboy of :) Feb 22 18:56:49 before or after the MS/ Nokia partnership annoucement? Feb 22 18:56:59 long, long before that Feb 22 18:57:03 so they're emos basically? Feb 22 18:57:08 i'm talking before meego even existed Feb 22 18:57:14 lol, yeah, i suppose Feb 22 18:57:29 meego is almost 1yr old Feb 22 18:57:38 this week in fact Feb 22 18:57:42 not even teething yet Feb 22 18:58:00 well, maybe barely teething Feb 22 18:59:19 * gabrbedd goes to get a teething ring from the freezer. Feb 22 19:00:43 gabrbedd, see if there is a book about UX there too Feb 22 19:01:32 lcuk: ha! No, but there's a chalk tablet in there. Wierd. Feb 22 19:01:46 :) Feb 22 19:01:50 what did you draw on it? Feb 22 19:02:00 * lcuk draws people and flowers and fish and tictactoe tables Feb 22 19:02:28 (tictactoe is one of the best ways to learn and pickup writing on a touchscreen!) Feb 22 19:02:42 I draw odd, amorphous shapes and then turn them into people's heads. Feb 22 19:02:48 heh Feb 22 19:02:57 I often draw a circle Feb 22 19:03:07 then draw loads of others around filling gaps but not overlapping Feb 22 19:03:24 me and jake made a game from it where we carried on until no space left Feb 22 19:03:37 he learnt quickly to make good consistent shapes :) Feb 22 19:03:40 impossible! Feb 22 19:04:11 you can never fill a shape completely with circles, unless the original shape is a circle Feb 22 19:05:02 http://xkcd.com/8/ Not circles... but still fun. Feb 22 19:05:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_gasket Feb 22 19:07:00 Oh... here's the doodle I was looking for: http://xkcd.com/24/ Feb 22 19:07:16 ali1234, gabrbedd bottom of there http://liqbase.net/liq.20110222_190506.liqrecentsketches.scr.png Feb 22 19:07:32 (the rest is a discussion from Manchester Museum about Alan Turing Feb 22 19:07:43 "what is a computer?" Feb 22 19:07:46 ali1234: Nice! Feb 22 19:08:16 lcuk: :-) Feb 22 19:08:25 ali1234, heh yeah Feb 22 19:08:34 was a great presentation, by a fake Alan Turing Feb 22 19:08:55 * lcuk went on Sunday Feb 22 19:10:23 anyway, playing that on a bit screen is good fun, just drawing circles in turn until we fill screen :) Feb 22 19:10:30 lcuk: interesting question, and possibly worth looking into, though I would not like to be WM dependant, so it would need to be done in an ICCCM/EWMH compliant manner. Feb 22 19:11:23 sabotage, I thought Qt was object oriented really - ie you have a self contained object that you can instantiate anytime? (as long as the factory api is avilable) Feb 22 19:11:37 like creating an instance of textbox Feb 22 19:11:42 but create an instance of dialer Feb 22 19:11:42 but FYI, I'm expecting patches from a co-worker this week that will add in pre-launch capabilities, making the appearance of startup now nearly instantanious Feb 22 19:12:31 ok, is there a bug to track, I don't see one on the page Feb 22 19:12:36 http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer Feb 22 19:12:49 1sec Feb 22 19:12:54 ta Feb 22 19:13:54 1977 and 7074 are the most relevant, and the ones I am using to get these patches SR'd once they land Feb 22 19:15:58 lcuk: so you go "phone home" and it starts calling your home number? Feb 22 19:26:31 heya DawnFoster, does https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 need more details? Feb 22 19:26:34 Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML Feb 22 19:27:42 http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ Feb 22 19:27:49 (not indexed, rough demo) Feb 22 19:28:15 mikhas: did you also post something to meego-touch with a link to the bug to see if anyone objects? Feb 22 19:30:12 hrm Feb 22 19:30:21 Ah ok, will do that Feb 22 19:30:24 timeless: that's pretty cool! :-) Feb 22 19:30:39 gabrbedd: it seems to be somewhat under resourced Feb 22 19:30:55 * timeless wonders how many people attacked that url but can't really tell as the system stopped answering Feb 22 19:32:11 timeless: um, sorry. I didn't mean to break it. Feb 22 19:32:20 not your fault Feb 22 19:32:24 unless you chose to spider it Feb 22 19:32:40 well, you didn't *say* not to spider it! Feb 22 19:32:43 :-p Feb 22 19:33:10 javispedro, hi. Do still plan to create /media/internal on preenv install/update? Feb 22 19:33:22 s/do still/do you still/ Feb 22 19:33:48 gabrbedd: the parent of that url does say not to spider it, as does the robots.txt file :) Feb 22 19:34:05 so, there are 140 directories in that list out of 1440 source rpms Feb 22 19:34:10 not a bad sample Feb 22 19:34:47 DawnFoster: hrm, is adam around? Feb 22 19:35:05 i can't ping mxr anymore, host unreachable :( Feb 22 19:36:20 timeless: he's in an all week meego it meeting - best way to get him is by email. Feb 22 19:36:27 * timeless nods Feb 22 19:36:47 is there an on call person? it seems like general connectivity within the network fell over :( Feb 22 19:38:16 argretzi: ! Feb 22 19:38:35 it looks like part of the internal network failed? :( Feb 22 19:41:58 ok, turns out someone was doing network maintenance, totally not my fault :) Feb 22 19:43:20 sabotage, thanks, have cced onto them (had to just eat tea) Feb 22 19:43:37 CosmoHill, what do you mean? Feb 22 19:44:15 that link you gave, that voice recontiion for the phone Feb 22 19:44:26 so you speak the name of who you want to phone Feb 22 19:44:32 * Stskeeps yawns Feb 22 19:45:09 CosmoHill, I linked to the default Dialer page if that is what you mean? ( http://wiki.meego.com/Project/Dialer ) Feb 22 19:45:16 yes Feb 22 19:45:25 gabrbedd: please feel free to browse around a bit Feb 22 19:45:26 but I haven't even looked or noticed voice dialing Feb 22 19:45:36 still trying to get more mundane non star trek interfaces working Feb 22 19:45:43 so, anyone here do theme work? mxr.meego.com needs some theme help :) Feb 22 19:46:29 it probably wants to have a couple of meegons too Feb 22 19:47:34 timeless, theres a few folks around who do theming, do you have a rough idea of how you could see it looking Feb 22 19:47:48 or are you just at the point of "meh it needs prettifying Feb 22 19:49:55 lcuk: generally i'd want some cute meegon for MXR, and probably some css to get the colors right Feb 22 19:50:03 beyond that i hope people don't want to do much Feb 22 19:50:10 btw, is the N95 still any good? Feb 22 19:50:23 typically people just stick a banner at the top of the page Feb 22 19:50:49 CosmoHill: it's still the #1 nokia phone on flickr Feb 22 19:50:58 iirc Feb 22 19:51:34 i just saw that microsoft bought nokia's co-operation figures Feb 22 19:52:09 joeoshawa: eh? Feb 22 19:52:14 joeoshawa: please see topic Feb 22 19:52:37 nokia is not fully supporting meego anymore Feb 22 19:52:50 no meego phone Feb 22 19:52:52 joeoshawa: please see topic Feb 22 19:52:54 joeoshawa: yeah, let's take that in #meego-bar Feb 22 19:52:59 troll? Feb 22 19:53:38 general discussions about meego no? Feb 22 19:53:45 and no not a troll Feb 22 19:53:50 > For 'bar' talk (rumours, gossip, etc), please go to #meego-bar] Feb 22 19:54:12 not rumour Feb 22 19:54:17 announced Feb 22 19:54:18 not relevant Feb 22 19:54:24 and that isn't what was announced Feb 22 19:54:36 so since you didn't get your facts straight, please go to the bar, have a drink Feb 22 19:55:51 then why did intel announce they are looking for another partner and were disappointed in nokia's decision? Feb 22 19:56:00 what was the announcement Feb 22 19:56:03 joeoshawa: go to the bar! Feb 22 19:56:10 or be barred from here. Feb 22 19:56:30 i don't want gossip Feb 22 19:56:34 i want Feb 22 19:56:44 Windows Mobile 7 Feb 22 19:56:49 i want to know what is actually going on Feb 22 19:56:54 so do we all Feb 22 19:57:09 joeoshawa: nokia is still contributing to meego according to meego-commits@ mailing list. Feb 22 19:57:11 that would be valid disscussion no? Feb 22 19:57:11 CosmoHill: no such animal Feb 22 19:57:14 joeoshawa: does that answer your question? Feb 22 19:57:33 (a nokia employee just started setting up a cross reference for meego...) Feb 22 19:57:41 the meego n900 hardware adaptation team is stil working, too Feb 22 19:57:46 as is the SDK team Feb 22 19:57:52 thats good then Feb 22 19:58:19 hey Stskeeps o/ Feb 22 19:58:43 the difference is that Nokia's "next step" smartphone was supposed to be MeeGo and the primary strategy is now Windows Phone 7. There will still be a MeeGo device made from Nokia, that's fact Feb 22 19:58:54 well i know in the announcement i read they did say they will still release a meego device Feb 22 19:59:10 yes just probably not a phone Feb 22 19:59:16 right? Feb 22 19:59:20 joeoshawa and there is lots of us still too :) Feb 22 19:59:41 joeoshawa: N900 was a tablet that happened to have phone capability ;) Feb 22 19:59:50 joeoshawa: http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/ Feb 22 20:00:16 i know actually i really like the idea and was going to get one but no network for 3g in ontario Feb 22 20:00:16 joeoshawa: long story short: nokia hasn't left the building and we're still all very much working and tired of all the rumours about our deaths ;) Feb 22 20:00:27 joeoshawa: well, then wait for official announcements from nokia :) Feb 22 20:01:59 Three years vision lol, reminds me too much of planned economy: "And after the plan for the last 3 years failed, we came up with an even bigger and more complex plan for the next 3 years, which is - given our history of implementing plans - also likely to fail. After that, we probably need a new plan." Feb 22 20:02:03 well that would be why i came here to ask and i understand your frustration but you will forgive me for not having confidence in microsoft's "fair business practices" Feb 22 20:02:42 joeoshawa: right - what we care about here is meego.com :) what the vendors do is technically none of our interest :) Feb 22 20:02:52 so that's why we ask people to take those discussions to the bar Feb 22 20:03:02 General question here to anyone who might help.I am noticing a gradual creep in boot up time.Mine seems to be a great deal longer than before? Any ideas where I can put a check safely on unneeded start ups in meego Feb 22 20:03:20 I mean on a netbook with meego 1.1 Feb 22 20:03:20 AndyBleaden: doesn't sound right - netbook? Feb 22 20:03:27 sorry yes Feb 22 20:03:43 had a look in xdg/autostart Feb 22 20:03:46 AndyBleaden: check if your HD is ok Feb 22 20:03:51 hmm Feb 22 20:03:57 well my interest is in good integration between a phone tablet pc and a linux os Feb 22 20:04:11 desktop Feb 22 20:04:23 how? Feb 22 20:04:26 joeoshawa, then scratch that itch ;-) Feb 22 20:04:31 AndyBleaden: 'smartctl' is what i normally use Feb 22 20:04:38 joeoshawa: well, then you're in the right place - connected devices is a meego goal (platform) Feb 22 20:05:26 the company providing the phone is of little concern to me but i am a linux only user i do not use any other os Feb 22 20:05:33 smartctl is that something I need to zypper in and use via terminal Feb 22 20:05:41 AndyBleaden: yeah, though i don't know if it exists in meego Feb 22 20:05:46 hmm Feb 22 20:06:13 ok will have a look ..again we aint talking minutes but it has got slower Feb 22 20:06:22 it takes a lot of effort to create such devices, joeoshawa Feb 22 20:06:49 AndyBleaden: Just a shot in the dark... what if you delete everything in /tmp and reboot? Feb 22 20:06:52 i was wondering if syncing with a linux os for callender and such had been considered Feb 22 20:07:02 hmm Feb 22 20:07:03 sure has been, buteo Feb 22 20:07:06 i do realise that Feb 22 20:07:13 * gabrbedd has noticed that /tmp isn't being cleaned out on reboots. Feb 22 20:07:15 sounds reasonable Feb 22 20:07:25 will have a look Feb 22 20:08:02 gabrbedd, wouldnt that be a bug? Feb 22 20:08:30 well I mean, why would you persist data on /tmp anyways? isn't it usally mounted as a tmpfs? Feb 22 20:08:39 hmm there is 145 items at 3.3 mb...not loads Feb 22 20:08:51 in my tmp Feb 22 20:08:56 btw with a backer like intel i had not even considered nokia's announcement to be meego's death Feb 22 20:09:10 mikhas: I could imagne that during dev... you would want to keep the contents of /tmp for debugging... but idunno. Feb 22 20:09:20 mikhas: so, yes, probably is a bug. Feb 22 20:09:30