**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011 Feb 23 03:00:11 ok after I zero'd my drive out and re-ran the installer everythings good Feb 23 03:00:22 ngharo: sweet! Feb 23 03:00:46 ---------------------------rnQt SDK 2010.05 Setuprn---------------------------rnThe installation path can't contain spaces.rn---------------------------rnOK rn--------------------------- Feb 23 03:01:09 right, doesn't play nice with anyone Feb 23 03:08:46 lcuk: oh, it doesn't let me not install the examples afaict Feb 23 03:08:53 even though it's quite likely that i don't care for them Feb 23 03:09:12 timeless_w7ip: but its for teh windoze uzerz... they likes the rudes. Feb 23 03:09:30 (and it seems to spend an inordinate amount of time touching examples) Feb 23 03:12:29 timeless, the examples are good, if for nothing else, than shared benchmarking and collaborative improvements Feb 23 03:13:07 lcuk "i can install the Qt SDK in 10 hours" Feb 23 03:13:18 "well I can install the Qt SDK in 9.3 hours!" Feb 23 03:13:19 =b Feb 23 03:13:36 lol wtf! Feb 23 03:13:56 well, you said benchmarking Feb 23 03:14:05 i recall a microsoft installer once telling me something similar Feb 23 03:14:05 and i'm saying that they take up the majority of the install time Feb 23 03:15:06 oh, note that vce installed first Feb 23 03:15:17 good night, don't wreck the machinery Feb 23 03:15:57 timeless, i still desire an ide designed for touch. Feb 23 03:16:10 oh brother Feb 23 03:16:14 it's patching binaries? Feb 23 03:16:19 lol Feb 23 03:16:20 what kind of ****d up installer does that? Feb 23 03:16:33 Patching qmake, core and gui libs... Feb 23 03:17:17 oh, um Feb 23 03:17:24 windows update is offering me w7sp1 Feb 23 03:18:01 timeless, you heard about the wp7 update niggles? Feb 23 03:18:13 ? Feb 23 03:18:42 was on slashdot earlier, i havent got easy way to get you a link Feb 23 03:18:48 eh,, wtf Feb 23 03:19:20 Create folder: c:\users\timeless\AppData\Roaming\Nokia Feb 23 03:19:22 !!? Feb 23 03:19:32 wtf is an installer touching my appdata directory? Feb 23 03:20:25 first run should detect empty/missing localuser data and act accordingly, but i am betting it is dropping a heavy amount of examples in there Feb 23 03:20:49 you'll lose that bet\ Feb 23 03:20:58 if it tries to stick a lot of stuff into a roaming directory Feb 23 03:21:01 heads will roll Feb 23 03:21:01 what is it putting there? Feb 23 03:21:36 nothing Feb 23 03:21:39 it just created it Feb 23 03:21:44 even though it already existed Feb 23 03:21:54 nice Feb 23 03:22:07 (i have ovi suite and intellisync directories in it) Feb 23 03:22:10 anyway for about the 4th time, gnite Feb 23 03:22:20 i'll post pictures somewhere Feb 23 03:26:06 any irssi users in the house? how to get alt+upkey to scroll in gnome-term? Feb 23 03:33:34 hello,i have a intel platform which installed meego handset 1.1, here i cannot configure the network,who can give me some suggestion? thank a lot Feb 23 05:25:21 vgrade: were you or arfoll able to get libva working correctly? Feb 23 05:32:41 morning Feb 23 07:05:13 hi, how can amixer select the audio what I'm playing, and send it to Another phone(when calling)? can anybody give me some info? thanks. Feb 23 07:08:18 pulseaudio over network? Feb 23 07:11:08 pulseaudio? yes the pulseaudio is worked, and I want use amixer wo do the job, is it ok? Feb 23 07:12:26 fun question chxie Feb 23 07:13:37 sorry, I'm a new come with this, can you discribe something for me? Feb 23 07:13:53 both pulseaudio and alsa (not amixer) can route audio from one place to another Feb 23 07:14:45 so you mean amixer cannot toute audio? Feb 23 07:16:04 amixer itself cannot Feb 23 07:16:50 how do you want to provide this service chxie ? Feb 23 07:17:15 just for yourself? or do you want to make a widget that can route audio to the phone somehow? Feb 23 07:17:50 this is an interesting question : for example, i am speaking on the 'phone' application - can I start a music player and show some audio to the person i am calling Feb 23 07:18:32 you are right, show some audio to the person I am calling Feb 23 07:18:59 chxie: do you just want a hack for yourself, or to make this function a builtin part of meego? Feb 23 07:19:20 it involves the handset application framework Feb 23 07:19:50 just for myself. Feb 23 07:20:20 chxie: is it possible to start/run another program while using the phone application? Feb 23 07:21:09 yes, it's possible Feb 23 07:21:44 the software layer that can do this 'live' routing of audio is called pulseaudio Feb 23 07:22:23 you /nick pupnik Feb 23 07:22:26 damnit Feb 23 07:24:03 is it used as "pulseaudio xxx xxx"? Feb 23 07:24:19 i'm really new comer about this.. Feb 23 07:24:25 also "The Resource Manager can be used e.g. to change the audio routing in the device " Feb 23 07:24:41 "Event listening and change enforcement in the Resource Manager happens through plugin modules" Feb 23 07:25:10 "The audio architecture in MeeGo is centered around the GStreamer and PulseAudio frameworks. In addition, the Resource Manager plays a role in coordinating the audio related behavior of the device (audio routings)." Feb 23 07:26:33 chxie: i would learn how the 'Resource Manager' works, and then how it 'routes' audio with PulseAudio Feb 23 07:30:39 @pupnik, could you show me some docs? Feb 23 07:32:04 chxie: i can only google Feb 23 07:33:09 before I ask question, I have googled so much... Feb 23 07:33:15 hmmm Feb 23 07:35:46 "route audio" pulseaudio Feb 23 07:39:06 and of course you must look at the sourcecode Feb 23 07:39:41 now I'm looking for the source code Feb 23 07:43:27 found the code, thanks pupnik Feb 23 08:58:19 Morning, all Feb 23 11:13:35 heya, what inputmethod-related wiki.meego.com pages do you know about? Feb 23 11:14:52 http://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework/MeeGo_1.1 Feb 23 11:15:04 http://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework rather Feb 23 11:21:47 hi Feb 23 11:22:35 does meego work good with nokia n900? or are there still some "placeholder" or not working apps? Feb 23 11:23:25 Skyscraper, how about you get latest image and try for yourself? Feb 23 11:23:51 and file bugs/make noise/get stuck into fixing/improving any you notice Feb 23 11:24:08 lcuk: why should i do that if you could tell me "phone not work" or "sms not work" or "browsing not work"... so dayli use is impossible Feb 23 11:24:48 daily use for many people is different and no one person knows the status of all things Feb 23 11:25:08 go and look at bugs.meego.com and see if specific issues are there blocking your way Feb 23 11:25:30 lcuk: i need phone, sms and browsing at least... - and would be cool if its possible to REAL multiboot maemo/meego Feb 23 11:32:29 NZ is still shaking, lots of tremors and aftershocks :O Feb 23 11:34:47 nz? Feb 23 11:37:58 Skyscraper, New Zealand http://twitter.com/nz_quake/status/40372318131724288 Feb 23 11:38:58 the N950 sounds interesting Feb 23 11:40:21 allthough the only released information was the name and it probably isn't even going to be the final name of the product Feb 23 11:48:00 does http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot work? Feb 23 11:49:49 yes Feb 23 11:50:16 Skyscraper, yes, however it is very technical and includes many things that need checking by yourself first Feb 23 11:51:22 ive checked my kernel like described there... its all great.. ive not installed many things, because i reflashed my n900 yesterday Feb 23 11:53:12 since this is not arm-specific, I will post links here too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9f_qIsqdxg http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:install_guide Feb 23 11:53:19 ok install of uboot-pr13 worked great... seeing penguin on boot and then it boots noloboot Feb 23 11:54:17 smoku: what does that? installs the hildon ui on top of meego? Feb 23 11:54:47 Skyscraper, yup Feb 23 11:54:55 see the yt video Feb 23 11:55:07 smoku: does it work with an image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php, too? Feb 23 11:55:22 Skyscraper, trunk only Feb 23 11:55:43 smoku: how to install trunk to n900? Feb 23 12:03:01 DOH! Feb 23 12:03:11 who deals with the http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/latest/ links? Feb 23 12:03:20 latest/ still points to 0218 Feb 23 12:03:49 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ smoku with this? Feb 23 12:03:53 even worse, its got a changelog from 17 Feb 23 12:04:17 Skyscraper, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.4.20110222.2/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ Feb 23 12:04:32 Skyscraper, or the one you found :) Feb 23 12:04:47 smoku: do you know a working version? Feb 23 12:05:14 Skyscraper, nope. I don't use n900 for development Feb 23 12:05:21 hm Feb 23 12:05:33 whats better? your version or the "latest"? Feb 23 12:06:15 smoku, would be handy for it to be tested Feb 23 12:06:43 its very easy to make apps and projects work on x86, but takes special skills to make them also work well on ARM :) Feb 23 12:07:53 lcuk, that's why I'm working on x86 first. it's hard enough. don't want to make it even harder Feb 23 12:07:56 hey guys - i wonder Feb 23 12:08:20 when i want to request something as meego core feature Feb 23 12:08:35 (or meego core handset / netbook) Feb 23 12:08:38 smoku, well, since you are bringing it from ARM, I would have thought it would be half done Feb 23 12:08:50 where and how to place it correctly in bugzilla Feb 23 12:09:09 is there some kind of "good practice feature request text" Feb 23 12:09:14 what infos are needed Feb 23 12:09:42 use your head, discuss preferably first, word it carefully, use your neatest handwriting Feb 23 12:09:50 and hope it gets onto the desk of the right person Feb 23 12:09:52 lcuk, should be. but working on a device with a keyboard, real ethernet port, and USB port is so much easier... ;P Feb 23 12:10:23 smoku, how on earth do people manage to develop for n900 then :O Feb 23 12:11:20 lcuk, I believe they are secretly masohists ;P Feb 23 12:12:24 smoku, gah, if they are masochists, what about the folks who actively compile and build and even write apps directly on their devices! Feb 23 12:12:50 lcuk, they don't even try to hide! Feb 23 12:36:54 smoku, those same people did it from n8x0 as well ;) Feb 23 12:48:40 jbos: make sure it is not an upstream feature (in which case it should go directly upstream) Feb 23 12:50:41 Help needed: meego zypper giving error: url scheme is required error-i get this when trying to install/search in zypper, anyone seen this before? Feb 23 12:51:20 fearghalohare: please pastebin the exact usage and exact errormessage Feb 23 12:52:36 jonnor, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13762 Feb 23 12:52:39 Bug 13762 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Provide Peregrine Communicator in MeeGo Core Feb 23 12:52:51 hope thats fine so Feb 23 12:53:01 and correct process :D Feb 23 12:54:55 jonner: unexpected exception Url scheme is required component. please file a bug report for this see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Troubleshooting for instructions Feb 23 12:55:19 i checked that url but couldnt see a solution Feb 23 12:55:53 fearghalohare, reset your cache and refresh, just trying to find the command line to do it Feb 23 12:59:47 fearghalohare, you could try: zypper clean --all Feb 23 12:59:52 then zypper refresh Feb 23 13:00:04 it flushes the cache and redownloads the repo lists and stuff Feb 23 13:01:56 jbos: looks good. Feb 23 13:05:38 I wish my cluster was made of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinemafia_photography/4998293301/ Feb 23 13:06:02 in fact that one server has 4 times as many cores as my cluster :( Feb 23 13:06:52 I have a problem with my sd card on n900 Feb 23 13:07:37 i dropped it and now the sd card is read only Feb 23 13:07:42 how can I fix it? Feb 23 13:10:00 CosmoHill, if you drool over the stuff you do not have, you miss the beauty and importance in what you do have. Feb 23 13:12:18 hirabayashitaro: you sure the "read-only" switch is set correctly ? Feb 23 13:13:08 lcuk: good point, I think I've found another test for the nodes to run, blender rendering. found a cross platform render software which hopefully won'y need a GUI Feb 23 13:15:33 slaine, what do you mean? Feb 23 13:16:33 slaine, if you mean the switch on the card itself, I don't have it, because it is a micro sd Feb 23 13:22:31 cyas Feb 23 13:40:00 dneary: ping Feb 23 13:45:23 kyber, Pong, but busy Feb 23 13:53:57 how can i configure the network in meego1.1? who can give me some suggestion Feb 23 13:54:58 newjor, which UX? Feb 23 13:56:23 handset Feb 23 13:58:29 i have configured the ip,DNS, and from XP i can succeed to ping meego,but from meego failed to ping xp Feb 23 14:00:09 newjor, perhaps your XP has a firewall. Feb 23 14:00:24 since XP == xtra paranoid Feb 23 14:01:59 how can i solve it Feb 23 14:02:40 newjor, can other machines on your network ping the xp machine? Feb 23 14:03:44 yeah,i can do ping the xp from other xp platform Feb 23 14:06:48 and always print bad address when executed the ping command Feb 23 14:09:03 newjor, do you ping by name or address? Feb 23 14:17:05 Heya all Feb 23 14:17:14 morning wazd \o Feb 23 14:17:38 Lcuk: heya, long time no see :) Feb 23 14:17:58 Lcuk: how r u? :) Feb 23 14:19:40 wazd, as good as someone living around hormonal pregnant woman can be. Feb 23 14:20:17 Lcuk: aw, nice shot :D Feb 23 14:20:26 Lcuk: I mean congrats :) Feb 23 14:20:58 :D Feb 23 14:21:56 wazd you and vlad and many others are noted here: http://liqbase.net/liqbase.info.txt Feb 23 14:23:37 Lcuk: it's pretty nice to live with a woman that's not fat and crazy when not pregnant anyway :) so you can see the difference :) Feb 23 14:24:10 lol yeah, hormones make quite a difference Feb 23 14:24:17 * gabrbedd came in at the wrong point in this conversation... Feb 23 14:24:27 interestingly enough, my wife' best times when she was pregnant Feb 23 14:24:52 she has a slight tendency to depression/disthimia and it simply vanished while pregnant Feb 23 14:25:00 epx, similar here, although I mustv said something wrong this morning, she did not make me a bacon butty! Feb 23 14:25:07 too bad I alrady made vasectomy Feb 23 14:25:12 haha Feb 23 14:25:34 * lcuk patched it up by fixing her computer :) Feb 23 14:25:46 and grabbed a bite of sons bacon butty instead :O Feb 23 14:26:03 Lcuk: epx: jeez :). Feb 23 15:19:30 vgrade, is it the 1.5.2 EMGD running on your joggler images? Feb 23 16:43:48 I wonder what happened to Intel shipping an x86 build of froyo last summer Feb 23 17:12:03 when i view the tablet ux thread in gmail the sponsored links are "project management", "business management", "effective management" and "android tablet" Feb 23 17:12:58 when i run this command ..nothing happens chinmaya@chinmaya-workstation:~$ sudo mad remote -r meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime poweron Feb 23 17:12:59 Starting QEMU runtime meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime Feb 23 17:12:59 This may take some time ... Feb 23 17:13:24 and after that again i get the $ prompt Feb 23 18:46:08 does anyone know if the MeeGo API has any kind of MIDI device abstraction? Feb 23 18:50:24 gabrbedd, how would you do it in other programming languages? Feb 23 18:50:57 only real toe dipping with midi for me has been with OpenSoundControl library, which existed on Maemo (cos I ported it) and not so far as part of qt Feb 23 18:51:00 lcuk: I would use JACK or ALSA. Feb 23 18:51:22 which misses out a whole class of interactive collaborative instruments Feb 23 18:51:25 JACK isn't MeeGo, and ALSA is "Platform API" Feb 23 18:51:36 so then you answered your own question? Feb 23 18:51:43 if ALSA does what you need, then its there? Feb 23 18:52:30 lcuk: I do intend to use OSC, too... but sometimes you need the hardware device. Feb 23 18:52:40 I know that feeling Feb 23 18:53:05 lcuk: Well, there are all kinds of promises about the "MeeGo API" -- and the promises on "Platform API" keep changing. Feb 23 18:53:29 lcuk: It's obvious they want us to use the MeeGo API as much as possible, esp. if we want to stick it in an app store. Feb 23 18:53:37 gabrbedd, then pin it down and ask specific related questions (not just here) check bugzilla for features expected and CC yourself Feb 23 18:53:42 follow bugs related to implementation Feb 23 18:53:44 etc Feb 23 18:55:21 lcuk: So, are you suggesting that I put in a feature request for MIDI hardware abstraction? Feb 23 18:55:23 hey lcuk, I made a good ammount of progress today on my cluster Feb 23 18:57:14 gabrbedd: best shot for MIDI in the Meego API would likely be to implement in gstreamer (see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gstreamer/tree/docs/random/uraeus/gstreamer_and_midi.txt and related), then wait for that to be available in QtGstreamer Feb 23 18:57:27 by then QtGstreamer will probably be Meego API Feb 23 18:58:41 on the other hand, I would not be very worried about alsa going away/changing Feb 23 18:59:56 well, I guess it could be restricted to use from apps by security framework... Feb 23 19:00:32 please do fix MIDI in gstreamer :D many people will love you Feb 23 19:01:51 or here's a thought Feb 23 19:01:59 actually implement DVD menu navigation Feb 23 19:02:06 *SHOCK* Feb 23 19:02:08 jonnor: Thanks for the suggestion... I'll probably stick with ALSA. I tried to do an appsrc/appsink thing once, and quit after lots and lots of cussing. Feb 23 19:02:11 :-) Feb 23 19:03:24 gabrbedd: now is your chance for revenge! :D Feb 23 19:06:49 lbt: X-Fade: can I get access to the community OBS? I would like access so that I can help Extras/Surrounds by porting existing, free multimedia software to MeeGo. For example: JACK, liblo, qjackctl. My meego.com username is gabrbedd. Feb 23 19:07:39 gabrbedd: sure Feb 23 19:07:53 lbt: thanks. Feb 23 19:07:57 beaware that we're working on process and policy here Feb 23 19:08:10 so the 'surrounds' isn't setup yet Feb 23 19:08:18 also with the turmoil Feb 23 19:08:26 we may steer a different course Feb 23 19:08:48 Can I suggest that you don't "port" Feb 23 19:09:00 :-D Feb 23 19:09:00 and instead focus on "maintain" Feb 23 19:09:01 lbt: Well, I'll ask before doing something silly. Just to be clear: the Nokia turmoil? Feb 23 19:09:07 yes, that Feb 23 19:09:15 lbt: What do you mean by "don't 'port'" Feb 23 19:09:17 ? Feb 23 19:09:24 porting is trivial and almost automatable Feb 23 19:09:43 maintain means you take a commitment to monitor upstream and be around for a while Feb 23 19:10:01 the former is frankly more harm than good Feb 23 19:10:05 so... s/port/maintain/ in my above request? Feb 23 19:10:14 the latter earns undying gratitude :) Feb 23 19:10:24 :) Feb 23 19:10:26 ok, I can agree to that. :-) Feb 23 19:12:35 ga Feb 23 19:12:43 gabrbedd: you're enabled Feb 23 19:12:55 i am trying to install Qt on my wetab here. i just compile Qt for 32-bit (am on 64-bit os) and copy over the libs? that's it? Feb 23 19:13:00 lbt: thanks! Feb 23 19:13:59 thiago_home, Feb 23 19:14:25 ping Feb 23 19:16:22 i am wondering if any special compile options are required for qt other than 32-bit Feb 23 19:17:31 lani: Maybe ask on qt-interest ML or in a #qt channel. Most of us here have been working in 32-bit land. Feb 23 19:17:48 (as far as MeeGo goes, anyway...) Feb 23 19:18:21 gabrbedd: 32-bit is fine too. so , i just compile qt on my desktop and copy over the libs? that's it? Feb 23 19:18:46 sorry for the 64-bit distraction :) Feb 23 19:20:01 is anyone there? Feb 23 19:20:07 occasionally Feb 23 19:20:43 does anyone speak german? my english is very bad, sorry Feb 23 19:21:13 I do, sort of Feb 23 19:22:13 kennst Du Dich mit dem Konzept von buteo aus? Ich verstehe leider nicht alles im wiki und in den foren bzw. mailinglists Feb 23 19:22:21 lani: Yeah, I've done something like that before. Compile a bunch of stuff on a faster PC and then rsync it to the slower device. That should work. Feb 23 19:22:42 lani: Works a little more reliable if the desktop is compiling in some sort of MeeGo environment (qemu, chroot, etc.) Feb 23 19:22:59 gabrbedd: is that the normal way of compiling? Feb 23 19:23:05 gabrbedd: ah Feb 23 19:23:06 gprade: Nein, buteo kenn ich nicht Feb 23 19:23:25 lani: the "official" way to compile stuff is through OBS. Feb 23 19:23:32 lani: For everyone else, yes. Feb 23 19:23:39 lani: :-) Feb 23 19:23:49 berndh: ok, dann versuch ich es mal auf englisch, vieleicht kennt einer der anderen sich aus, aber danke Feb 23 19:23:49 * lani googles OBS Feb 23 19:24:25 lani: it's an automated build system located here: http://build.meego.com Feb 23 19:24:40 does anyone knows with buteo? Feb 23 19:24:44 gotta go... good luck! Feb 23 19:25:46 gprade: no, but if you have a specific question you normally get better results Feb 23 19:27:19 gprade: take a talk with pohly when he's around Feb 23 19:28:05 gabrbedd: thanks for your help Feb 23 19:29:51 tripzero: pong Feb 23 19:30:13 ok, that's concept of buteo compare with activesync? there is a working chance that buteo like activesync? I once had windows and a windows mibile phone, it was very easy to sync the contacts. Today I am using opensuse and hope has long been an alternative. could it would be nice if I have a Meego phone with thunderbird and lightning sync. as with activesync. will that work? or it will in future only give away the external server? nice would be Feb 23 19:30:15 the phone directly to the pc to connect. I've read something about device-device-sync, but do not understand how far the development is. Feb 23 19:30:22 sorry, for my bad english Feb 23 19:30:38 gprade: that was pretty good english, don't worry too much :) Feb 23 19:31:15 :-) thx Feb 23 19:34:37 i dont wont use m$ or apple in future, but i need sync, i am a teacher in school and have a lot of dates, mobilme from apple is a very easy thing, i see it by other, it would be great if meego could the same directly to the desktop pc Feb 23 19:35:25 and on my desktop i use thunderbird, but if it works i would use kontact from kde Feb 23 19:35:51 but better would be thunderbird Feb 23 19:42:08 ;-( noone any idea? Feb 23 19:45:39 gprade: There are currently no MeeGo phones shipping... so I think that even if we had an answer it wouldn't help you much. Feb 23 19:46:34 "i am a teacher in school and have a lot of dates" - that's so wrong ... Feb 23 19:47:09 gabrbedd: i found http://wetab.mobi/en/developers/downloads-and-howtos/. so basically, they provide a virtualbox image for development Feb 23 19:47:36 i guess for other devices s/virtualbox/qemu but the idea is the same Feb 23 19:47:38 mikhas: keep in mind that the line before was "sorry for my bad english" Feb 23 19:48:06 a-ha Feb 23 19:48:09 andre__: +1 Feb 23 19:49:38 lani: Pretty much. However, some of these environments are great for compiling a single app... but not so great for trying to recompile qt. Feb 23 19:49:53 lani: I've recompiled qt before, and done it in a chroot. Feb 23 19:50:01 lani: btw, why are you recompiling qt? Feb 23 19:50:19 wetab doesn't have qt, afaict Feb 23 19:50:36 i cannot find it in their repos either Feb 23 19:51:04 wetab is meego, isn't it? I think that means they're required to have qt libs to call themselves meego. Feb 23 19:51:31 lani: What does `cat /etc/meego-release` give you from a command-line/terminal? Feb 23 19:52:35 gabrbedd: ah, nice. i was wondering how to find that out. it says 1.0 Feb 23 19:53:03 And what about `zypper repos` ? Feb 23 19:53:28 (might want to use pastebin on that one) Feb 23 19:54:43 ok, all thx, i see, i must wait till the first handset is released Feb 23 19:56:05 one sec, it has only yum Feb 23 19:57:18 No repositories defined. Use the 'zypper addrepo' command to add one or more repositories. Feb 23 19:57:42 i can paste the yum repolist Feb 23 19:58:10 http://pastebin.com/9ijicAcL Feb 23 20:06:03 how do I checkout my OBS project with osc? The documentation seems to only be for stuff on build.opensuse.org (where the base of the url is implied) Feb 23 20:06:46 lani: Three things to try.... Feb 23 20:07:11 lani: 1) muck about the URL's for the tiitoo repos to see if there's any extra repos for things like "-devel" packages. Feb 23 20:07:46 lani: 2) Contact WeTab and ask for their advice on how to add qt development tools to your machine Feb 23 20:08:19 lani: 3) Carefully add repos from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/ Feb 23 20:35:22 so, what is the apiurl for Meego Core OBS? Feb 23 20:36:37 jonnor: URL for community OBS is build.pub.meego.com Feb 23 20:36:44 jonnor: Is that what you're after? Feb 23 20:40:55 gabrbedd: no, I'm looking for the api url for the core OBS. The API url is what OBS clients like osc use when commnicating with the service Feb 23 20:41:42 shouldnt lbt know this? ^ Feb 23 20:42:07 mmm Feb 23 20:42:24 https://api.meego.com Feb 23 20:43:17 not sure if you have anon api access though Feb 23 20:44:51 I think meego is experiancing an identity crisis Feb 23 20:45:06 Probably not, but I got credentials. Is there any documentation apart from what is on wiki.meego.com for core OBS? Feb 23 20:46:47 https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/ Feb 23 20:46:50 In my opinion It is not clear which is the goal for the project, and so people are having talks like this one http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003470.html Feb 23 20:47:12 https://api.pub.meego.com/apidocs/ Feb 23 20:49:55 lbt: should have been more specific, I mean end-user docs for packagers. Right now my only goal is to be able to work one of my OBS projects (under my home) using osc Feb 23 20:54:41 hirabayashitaro: I wouldn't be too alarmed by those discussions. That thread in particular is simply different people with different interests trying to find a common ground to work from. Feb 23 20:57:41 jonnor: it's on my todo :) Feb 23 20:57:48 meanwhile there are some tutorials on the wiki Feb 23 20:58:49 hirabayashitaro: some of the confusion comes over the different ways and contexts that the name "MeeGo" is intended to be used. For example, if ACME, Inc. releases a MeeGo phone, it is indeed "MeeGo" if they meet the compliance specs. However, it's not necc. "MeeGo" in that they are governed by the LInux Foundation and part of the open development system. Feb 23 20:58:56 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers Feb 23 20:59:46 hirabayashitaro: There's similar confusion over the MeeGo Touch Framework... which is actually not a required component in a MeeGo device. Feb 23 21:00:14 guys, this is definitely worth a look and a vote: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 Feb 23 21:00:16 Bug 13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of ", a MeeGo R&D project" Feb 23 21:00:30 lbt: good. The api url was the most problematic for me, as I could not find that anywhere Feb 23 21:04:21 gabrbedd, Anyway I share the same problem as them. I don't understand exactly what meego is supposed to be Feb 23 21:05:34 gabrbedd, The UX is a point in case. Should meego have one or not? Which components are supposed to be in meego and which are supposed to be released by vendors? Feb 23 21:14:19 lbt, do you still have the builds of shopper for the n8x0? Feb 23 21:14:36 Guys there is a good video from the last conference on compliance. Answered a lot of questions in this area. Feb 23 21:14:51 guest, link please. Feb 23 21:15:00 always useful to help participation Feb 23 21:17:29 Also the community wiki page Feb 23 21:17:29 Vgrade here. Watching the game will link later Feb 23 21:17:47 ok \o Feb 23 21:19:20 Although the game is boring so far Feb 23 21:19:48 lol yeah hearing no cheering from tracy Feb 23 21:20:05 * lani got 1.2 alpha running on wetab Feb 23 21:20:16 still tons of work to be done Feb 23 21:20:44 lcukn900: mmm autobuilder maybe ? Feb 23 21:20:47 but looks ok otherwise Feb 23 21:21:01 lbt I didnt know whether it got as far Feb 23 21:21:32 was just wondering how much of a difference all the little optimisation things you had to test have survived passaige of time Feb 23 21:21:40 and how well old code from then runs Feb 23 21:22:07 in my experiences (been digging in archives myself this evening) it works rather well Feb 23 21:27:19 :) Feb 23 21:29:21 lbt: just the man! Feb 23 21:29:33 hey lardman|home Feb 23 21:29:43 could you sort me out with an OBS account, pretty please Feb 23 21:29:53 and how are you? Feb 23 21:32:58 of course.... Feb 23 21:33:00 All request for help should be accompanied by a "pretty please" Feb 23 21:33:15 and .... "kinda wondering what the future holds" Feb 23 21:33:19 hey DawnFoster Feb 23 21:33:23 hey lbt Feb 23 21:33:30 you just got in ? Feb 23 21:33:32 nice seeing you yesterday! Feb 23 21:33:49 lbt: why wonder when you can create it! Feb 23 21:33:50 ;) Feb 23 21:33:56 lardman|home: done Feb 23 21:34:02 lbt: working from home today - started at 6am with a little break over lunch to hit the gym Feb 23 21:34:13 lbt: thanks :) Feb 23 21:34:17 Stskeeps: we are doing just that .... Feb 23 21:34:35 DawnFoster: ouch... I crawled out of bed at 8am feeling guilty Feb 23 21:34:50 hirabayashitaro: it might help to understand it if you read the current MeeGo Compliance spec... and try reading it from 2 points of view: 1) I am an ODM and 2) I develop app-store applications. Feb 23 21:34:53 still, a few hours of Tango tonight will fix that :D Feb 23 21:35:29 hirabayashitaro: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance Feb 23 21:35:31 lbt: ha! By starting work early, I don't feel guilty for taking a long lunch and getting in a really good workout :) Feb 23 21:35:55 :) Feb 23 21:36:07 I use the same reasoning for my siestas Feb 23 21:36:26 lbt: and I needed to work off that massive amount of lebanese food from last night. I was still full when I woke up! Feb 23 21:36:37 yeah ... we're not eating today Feb 23 21:39:51 must have been some dinner .. :) Feb 23 21:42:22 http://rhaamo.gruik.at/netbsd_omap/i_can_haz_root_device_kthxbye.jpg <- crazy people Feb 23 21:42:47 Finally, a real Unix running on N900 Feb 23 21:45:15 DawnFoster, you didn't even have a bacon doughnut. how do you think we felt this am? ;) Feb 23 21:45:41 bdub2: ha! good point! Feb 23 21:46:11 here's a hint: uuuuuggghhhhhh Feb 23 21:46:11 hold on now, a "bacon doughnut" O.o? Feb 23 21:46:11 Stskeeps: are they like 2 years behind? Feb 23 21:46:19 Ronksu: oh don't tell lcukn900 Feb 23 21:47:06 indeed. and it was deliciously full of every kind of awesome you can imagine. Feb 23 21:47:39 bdub2 seem to have found the magic word to please the people originating from maemo.org.. 'bacon' Feb 23 21:47:41 :P Feb 23 21:47:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/5471675127/ Feb 23 21:47:55 ^^ the aforementioned beast Feb 23 21:47:58 bdub2: I guess awesome + awesome = super awesome is not necessarily always true :) Feb 23 21:48:20 lcukn900: pssst ..... bacon Feb 23 21:49:38 * gabrbedd is feeling sick after seeing that picture.... Feb 23 21:50:31 bbiab Feb 23 21:51:05 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/app-compatibility-and-meego-compliance-program Feb 23 21:51:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_Doughnut Feb 23 21:51:18 i would like to point out, for the record, that you are seeing maple frosting there. Feb 23 21:51:47 it was actually very nice Feb 23 21:51:56 but I just had one bite :_) Feb 23 21:54:22 wauw Feb 23 21:54:45 why the hell would you _EVER_ want NetBSD on an n900? :P Feb 23 21:56:36 why not? Feb 23 21:58:25 lbt: seeing pictures from maemo summit 2009 makes me wonder if i actually gained weight Feb 23 21:58:25 :P Feb 23 22:03:51 Hi, i could someone point me to documentation (architecture specific) related to Meego IVI system. I searched the wiki and found a couple of pages http://wiki.meego.com/Developer_Guide and http://wiki.meego.com/In-vehicle/IVI_for_users_and_developers . Are there any more links . Thank you. Feb 23 22:04:23 billly123: meego-ivi@ mailing list is active for this kind of discussion :) Feb 23 22:04:36 fastest way to get to who you need Feb 23 22:05:52 ok. thanks. Feb 23 22:06:17 i think #Meego-ivi might exist too Feb 23 22:07:56 thanks . will check that out. Feb 23 22:08:31 also try this one: http://wiki.meego.com/In-vehicle **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 22:23:30 2011 Feb 23 23:00:01 arfoll, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=emgd-bin.spec&package=emgd&project=home%3Avgrade&srcmd5=cb8a55d998524c5ed42dacc4cef1bd5b, I'm not sure how this maps onto the edc.intel.com releases Feb 23 23:12:10 arfoll, version 1.5.1812 is reported in Xorg log Feb 23 23:15:53 grr Feb 23 23:16:03 error: Package has no %description: kernel-adaptation-mrst Feb 23 23:18:10 oh brother Feb 23 23:18:25 this stupid system uses line configuration characters Feb 23 23:29:58 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=osso-af-settings&project=home%3Asmoku%3Amaego&repository=MeeGo_current_Core_standard - is it failing on rpmlint? how can I make it build? Feb 23 23:31:25 smoku: just fix the rpmlint error and make a -devel package that contains the .pc file Feb 23 23:31:50 auke, the point is that this package IS a .pc and nothing else Feb 23 23:32:27 it's a -settings package Feb 23 23:32:31 that doesn't make any sense Feb 23 23:32:41 make it a subpackage of what it belongs to? Feb 23 23:33:26 it does not belong to anything. it describes the system, so other packages can get info from it Feb 23 23:34:18 hmm, I see Feb 23 23:34:25 that does sound highly unusual Feb 23 23:34:50 Maemo is unusual ;-) Feb 23 23:37:56 smoku: is it really a pkgconfig file or something else? Feb 23 23:38:35 yes. only the /usr/lib/pkgconfig/osso-af-settings.pc Feb 23 23:52:12 smoku: my question was more in the line of, is that file actually a file parsable with pkgconfig, or is it just named/placed that way? Feb 23 23:54:59 smoku, you could try a hammer, http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=579 Feb 23 23:57:13 i renamed the package to osso-af-settings-devel and it's fine Feb 23 23:57:39 damn wtf Feb 23 23:57:40 and since i refer to it with pkgconfig(osso-af-settings) in other packages, I should be fine :) Feb 23 23:57:45 where did vgrade go? Feb 23 23:58:03 still here Feb 23 23:58:31 vgrade: have you or arfoll been able to use libva with the latest emgd? Feb 23 23:59:22 vgrade, thanks for the link. bookmarked :) Feb 24 00:01:52 TSCHAKeee, arfoll did some work but said that xbmc build needed work so I did not progress this. In the meantime intel tablet surfaced which I ported to Joggler and then hildon-desktop from smoku. Not to mention tegra2 and panda. Not enough hours in the day Feb 24 00:02:15 ;) Feb 24 00:02:36 smoku, keep that bookmark for emergencies :) Feb 24 00:02:37 i am looking to get a Viewsonic-G.. worth it? or is there a better choice in the tegra camp? Feb 24 00:02:49 you US right? Feb 24 00:04:08 yes Feb 24 00:05:36 igo on #meego-arm is working the LG Optimus Feb 24 00:09:08 TSCHAKeee, I've still not seen any info on updated accelerated drivers comming out of nvidia so that will limit any tegra non-android ports Feb 24 00:10:00 :'( Feb 24 00:10:22 oh well, I can still do my android orbiter porting work with it and my Nokia N900 on NITDroid Feb 24 00:10:29 but seriously, wtf? :( Feb 24 00:10:42 I thought there were accelerated GPU drivers in linux for tegra. Feb 24 00:15:44 I saw a tegra netbook in the shop last week, I'd probably gotten one if it wasn't for the lack of drivers Feb 24 00:25:42 what is that new motorola handset/netbook hybrid running on? Feb 24 00:26:31 TSCHAKeee: CPU? Tegra 2 Feb 24 00:27:21 and there are drivers, but they're for an older version of Xorg than what is in MeeGo Feb 24 00:36:21 TSCHAKeee, Xorg 1.6 for the latest nvidia linux4tegra release Feb 24 00:37:27 also don't assume because a device is running accelerated under android you can use the drivers, you can't Feb 24 00:43:31 vgrade: oh no, I know you can't. Feb 24 00:43:38 Android doesn't use X Feb 24 00:55:31 TSCAHKeee, it does amuse me when Google get all high and mighty about the evil apple but are playing the same 'lock you in' games Feb 24 01:00:36 TSCHKeee, you might want to check out ExoPC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BW_7uvIJ_o, intel based so no driver issues Feb 24 01:23:01 vgrade: yeah, it amuses me too.... I've been looking for the exoPC, but not sure where I can get the damned thing. Feb 24 01:23:14 but from all accounts, it looks like a pinetrail without a keyboard Feb 24 01:23:25 which...how's the battery life on the thing? Feb 24 01:49:25 vgrade: arfoll: do either of you have a recent .ks for an Archos9? Feb 24 02:20:15 anyway to reclaim my ALT key back Feb 24 02:20:50 alt+left arrow for instance to go back in a browser Feb 24 02:21:02 cept it keeps flipping virtual terms when i do it Feb 24 02:21:10 could this because X is running on vt2? Feb 24 02:36:54 mew **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 24 02:59:57 2011