**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 28 02:59:57 2011 Feb 28 04:27:32 huomenta Feb 28 06:06:42 What do you think of the chances of getting Meego up and running on http://cgi.ebay.com.au/8inch-Samsung-Android-2-2-CortexTM-A8-MID-3G-HDMI-/160549816127?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item256183c73f#ht_4124wt_1141 ? Feb 28 06:09:28 meegobot: supported processors? Feb 28 06:09:29 gabrbedd: I have heard that Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors Feb 28 06:10:35 yeah not a lot of detail on the ARM section. It's a Samsung Arm cortex A8 Samsung S5pv210 Feb 28 06:11:02 zutesmog: I think a cortex is an ARMv7 Feb 28 06:11:16 zutesmog: but I live in x86 world. Feb 28 06:11:44 zutesmog: europe comes on-line in about 2 hours... i suggest asking again then. Feb 28 06:12:09 hmm that's what I have been trying to work out. Will do. Feb 28 06:13:49 The N900 is OMAP3430 is Cortex A8 as well, so could be promising. Feb 28 06:25:27 which hw are we talking? Feb 28 06:26:30 galaxytab? Feb 28 06:28:59 dm8tbr Samsung Cortex A8 S5pv210 based android tablet Feb 28 06:29:55 a) can you run your own kernel and userspace? Feb 28 08:29:43 lbt Feb 28 08:30:20 think he's asleep Feb 28 08:34:18 even if he's not, he wouldn't be seeing that (he isn't here) Feb 28 08:35:19 point Feb 28 08:35:20 :P Feb 28 08:37:05 I wrote it by mistake... Feb 28 08:53:46 ./whowas swc|666 Feb 28 09:03:09 btw, I own the trademark of X so be careful with using incorrectly. Feb 28 09:03:31 erm Feb 28 09:03:32 :P Feb 28 09:06:00 it* Feb 28 09:07:42 pretty sure you can't trademark a letter Feb 28 09:08:35 I think he meant Xorg. Feb 28 09:08:47 ;p Feb 28 09:08:49 no, it's X Feb 28 09:09:10 Then, er, yeah, what thiago_home said. Feb 28 09:10:10 it is not a letter Feb 28 09:10:21 it's a philosophy? Feb 28 09:10:38 no, it's hand written 'X' Feb 28 09:11:08 you're not allowed to trademark anything that is a part of an ordinary daily life.. Feb 28 09:11:15 without "X" product Feb 28 09:11:43 hi Feb 28 09:11:46 o/ Feb 28 09:12:00 i am allowed to use it already Feb 28 09:14:51 velope, want to tell more? Feb 28 09:16:06 iekku: later.. Feb 28 10:38:49 hi Feb 28 10:39:05 where to find .dsc file to madde 0:0.7.57-3 ? Feb 28 10:44:42 rzr: do need it to be exactly that version? Feb 28 10:44:56 I can find -2 and -4 but not -3 Feb 28 10:46:30 it's an older version anyway. current seems to be 0.7.59-1 Feb 28 10:46:50 timoph: well than one may be obsolete Feb 28 10:47:16 any deb-src for http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ will be fine Feb 28 10:47:42 is it that related file ? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/blobs/master/src/maemo/mad-developer/debian/control Feb 28 10:48:08 http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=madde&project=Tools%3ASDK%3AHost Feb 28 10:52:07 thx Feb 28 10:53:41 np Feb 28 11:43:49 hello, bon apétit Feb 28 13:36:26 heya DawnFoster - I dislike to be such an annoying %*$, but could you please check the status of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 ? thanks :-) Feb 28 13:36:28 Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML Feb 28 13:38:32 mikhas: it's a bugtracker, people get to it eventually :) Feb 28 14:41:42 stskeeps: I ran the "missile lock" comment by my wife... she got the same impression as you. :-) Feb 28 14:42:02 stskeeps: So, I'll probably abandon that one.... Feb 28 14:42:07 hehe Feb 28 16:04:36 Good morning. Feb 28 16:05:00 morn Feb 28 16:05:06 Anyone knowns if Qt is the 'recommended way' for developing apps for Meego? (I mean for inclusion in the appUp store). Feb 28 16:05:07 hi Stskeeps Feb 28 16:05:20 Or has it changed after Nokia went to bed with MS? Feb 28 16:05:41 Savago: yes, qt is still a central piece Feb 28 16:06:12 Stskeeps, so, if I target Qt 4.7.0 would it be good? Feb 28 16:06:33 yes Feb 28 16:06:55 I think is odd, because the documentation for C++ includes , which is a header for Visual Studio. Feb 28 16:07:19 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/sites/files/pages/SDK%20Developer%20Guide.pdf Feb 28 16:07:40 might be looking at wrong one Feb 28 16:08:00 maybe you're looking at the docs for making windows apps for AppUp Feb 28 16:59:36 I have zypper 1.5.2-1.39 for i586 installed in my image, and it seems to be horribly broken. Refreshing repos fails with an error message about curl failing to fetch blaablaa-other.sqlite.bz2 Feb 28 16:59:41 Is this a known problem? Feb 28 16:59:56 Or what the heck is going on? Feb 28 17:04:17 hmm, upgrading libzypp and zypper manually to 8.10.2-1.35 and 1.5.2-1.53 doesn't help either... Feb 28 17:04:31 zuh: \o/ Feb 28 17:04:33 libsatsolver? Feb 28 17:04:40 veli: ! Feb 28 17:05:03 zuh: working with meego now? Feb 28 17:06:26 veli: Among other things, yes: http://gitorious.org/~kvahlman/meegotouch/kvahlman-meegotouch-compositor Feb 28 17:06:58 veli: Are you coming back now? ;) Feb 28 17:07:05 zuh: uhoh.. Feb 28 17:07:09 :( Feb 28 17:09:43 gotta go to eat with daughter -> Feb 28 17:14:25 Stskeeps: Where does that come from? all I see is satsolver-tools and libsatsolver-demo and -devel... Feb 28 17:14:49 zuh: what error are you getting anyway? Feb 28 17:15:42 is true that nokia abandoned meego? Feb 28 17:16:09 no Feb 28 17:16:23 next question? Feb 28 17:16:45 do I have to go to work? Feb 28 17:16:55 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/a9BmQSyz Feb 28 17:17:01 sofar: able to work from home? if so, no Feb 28 17:17:20 zuh: meego version? Feb 28 17:17:35 Stskeeps: hah, tempting ;) Feb 28 17:18:38 sofar, I don't know. Do you have to? ;) Feb 28 17:19:07 Stskeeps: 1.1.90.2.20110209.4 build, and this happens both on an image on a device and in my rootfs with matching software Feb 28 17:20:04 zuh: ok, if so that sounds like a serious bug.. your RTC set right? Feb 28 17:20:48 Oh, and I tried other build repos on both repo.meego.com and download.meego.com, all fail with similar errors Feb 28 17:21:10 Stskeeps: I would assume my desktop has it right at least ;) Feb 28 17:23:00 zuh: got a url for 'core' repo? Feb 28 17:23:38 baseurl=http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.5.20110225.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ Feb 28 17:23:57 do you have a gpg key further down referenced/ Feb 28 17:23:58 ? Feb 28 17:24:13 Yes Feb 28 17:25:27 does the file match http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.5.20110225.1/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/repomd.xml.key ? Feb 28 17:26:28 85e2b59745a7b57662d362c0fc49adc8 /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-meego Feb 28 17:26:28 85e2b59745a7b57662d362c0fc49adc8 repomd.xml.key Feb 28 17:26:35 Yeah, seems so Feb 28 17:27:12 and I also can fetch the file it complains about with wget without problems... Feb 28 17:27:37 * zuh is full of confusion Feb 28 17:29:11 Hmm, it also should indeed be able to verify the key then, right? Feb 28 17:29:16 But doesn't... Feb 28 17:31:08 zuh: I've run in to similar problems. Sometimes my only way out is to delete the cache. Feb 28 17:31:29 zuh: before, I figured I had done something silly... Feb 28 17:31:48 zuh: But I think I'm seeing it often enough that it's a bug with zypper. Feb 28 17:32:20 gabrbedd: Where's the cache, under /var/cache? Feb 28 17:32:43 zuh: My hypothesis is that repomd.xml is changed... but for on refresh it's not checking that file first. Feb 28 17:33:38 zuh: I think so, don't have it in front of me at the moment. One time I was having to deal with a mic2 cache... which is a different (but similar) case. Feb 28 17:33:42 hola Feb 28 17:33:48 Texrat: isn't IRC blocked for you? Feb 28 17:33:49 hey gabrbedd Feb 28 17:33:53 lol Feb 28 17:33:58 just testing it now Feb 28 17:33:59 Texrat: :-p Feb 28 17:34:06 looks liek it's the only thing that isn't Feb 28 17:34:22 I canNOT believe they blocked social.msdn.microsoft.com Feb 28 17:34:23 BTW, i'll be AFK for a while... (lunch) Feb 28 17:34:25 idiotsd Feb 28 17:34:30 idiots* Feb 28 17:34:44 I'm on lunch now, n]hence free time Feb 28 17:34:47 ... Feb 28 17:34:53 sticky keys Feb 28 17:35:06 gabrbedd: zapping the whole /var/cache/zypp seems to indeed have fixed things. Thanks for the hint! Feb 28 17:35:45 zapping / gives even more surprising effects Feb 28 17:36:23 moo Texrat Feb 28 17:36:47 moo Feb 28 17:36:51 how's things? Feb 28 17:36:58 gabrbedd: Do you know if there is a bug for this somewhere? (what even is the upstream for zypper..?) Feb 28 17:36:58 eh Feb 28 17:37:08 more or less the same Stskeeps Feb 28 17:37:23 frustrated that LinkedIn was blocked at work Feb 28 17:37:31 hard to manage it on my E71 Feb 28 17:37:41 ah, they don't want to let you employees go :P Feb 28 17:37:57 you would be amazed how many have left and at what rae Feb 28 17:38:02 rate* Feb 28 17:38:12 depressing place Feb 28 17:38:43 :nod: Feb 28 17:39:05 Oh, Stskeeps-- a manager at NSN offered to get my resume to another manager over a job I applied for Feb 28 17:39:10 cool Feb 28 17:39:14 we'll see Feb 28 17:39:29 on the other job that I really wanted, they brought a former employee back Feb 28 17:39:39 I can't fault them for that, but MAN I wanted that role Feb 28 17:40:15 I am also appying for several positions at RIM, but I'm afraid that would mean no more MeeGo or maemo community for me... Feb 28 17:41:29 In fact RIM specifically asks about open source community involvement on one application! Feb 28 17:41:40 scary Feb 28 17:41:55 but hey, food on table first always matters Feb 28 17:42:40 yes Feb 28 17:43:03 I am ready for something better Feb 28 17:43:27 how are things going for you Stskeeps? Feb 28 17:43:51 schroedinger's cat scenario, don't know we're dead or alive ;) Feb 28 17:44:01 lol... sounds about right Feb 28 17:44:03 so we keep on working Feb 28 17:44:17 as logn as no one observes you, then you'll be fine :D Feb 28 17:44:20 long* Feb 28 17:44:28 Stskeeps, :D Feb 28 17:44:44 Texrat: "hey, why is this money flow still active" kind of observation, yeah ;) Feb 28 17:44:53 lol Feb 28 17:44:55 hehe Feb 28 17:45:07 Stskeeps, I have wanted dead or alive schroedinger's cat poster in my cubicle :) Feb 28 17:45:39 i didn't realise how true it is :( Feb 28 18:20:19 hey javispedro Feb 28 18:20:36 hello Texrat Feb 28 18:21:16 how ya going? ;) Feb 28 18:23:06 as wella s can be expected javispedro, you? Feb 28 18:24:16 Texrat: same :D Feb 28 19:09:55 zuh: ping Feb 28 19:11:59 * CosmoHill seeths Feb 28 19:37:09 there is any alternative repository for meego? I can´t find the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-base for MeeGo Feb 28 19:37:30 repo.pub.meego.com Feb 28 19:38:11 raph0x88: fairly sure that exists Feb 28 19:38:20 raph0x88: might be called something else though Feb 28 19:38:26 yay, my repo appeared at midnight this morning Feb 28 19:39:00 Stskeeps: I tried different plugins packages, didn´t work Feb 28 19:40:24 'didn't work'? Feb 28 19:41:03 * Stskeeps goes read a bit Feb 28 19:41:25 Sorry, english is not my native language Feb 28 19:42:49 raph0x88: what version of meego? Feb 28 19:44:28 CosmoHill: 1.1 Feb 28 19:44:56 type zypper search gstreamer0.10 Feb 28 19:45:00 type zypper search gstreamer Feb 28 19:45:26 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/gstreamer-0.10.30-2.6.i586.rpm Feb 28 22:21:11 I noted that http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ is down, any idea of the reason for that? Feb 28 22:24:57 there's only one reason: server maintenance Feb 28 22:25:06 unscheduled though Feb 28 22:55:09 gabrbedd: re your problems w/ zypper... have you been keeping an eye on your network while it's doing it's thing, because the networking going up/down bug in netbook (imho triggered by network activity s.a. dling an rpm or repo-md file) ... i have examples of stuff failing the first time and then succeeding on retry Feb 28 22:57:54 gabrbedd: (yes: "zypper clean --all ; zypper update" is a good thing to run") Feb 28 22:58:05 s"// :-) Feb 28 22:58:28 err... s/"// Feb 28 22:58:37 npm: I'm only just now taking the zypper issue seriously. Feb 28 22:59:27 i've been having some success, but also some oddities investigating keysigning before I unleach "fcm" (the project formerly called meegolem) Feb 28 22:59:29 npm: So, yeah... could be the cause of a network issue on my end... or on repo.meego.com's end... or mid-update on r.m.c. or an actual zypper bug... or.. Feb 28 22:59:47 s/unleach/unleash.... where's my spell checker Feb 28 22:59:56 npm: I can't remember if I've tried zypper clean --all. I think I tried zypper clean and didn't get very far. Feb 28 23:00:15 the --all helps Feb 28 23:00:35 hey lcuk: you can't resolve a bug by simply making it a feature!! :-p Feb 28 23:00:37 but every command in zypper is also equivalent to eding or deleting one of it's files Feb 28 23:00:49 npm: Yes, I wasn't aware of the --all... I'll try that next time. Feb 28 23:00:53 npm: thank you Feb 28 23:00:57 gabrbedd, no, but if it could be made into a feature it saves wasting another number Feb 28 23:01:07 it had same info in it anyway Feb 28 23:01:22 is it good form to distribute /etc/zypp/repos.d/*.repo files as-is, or must i tediously develop a script of zypper commands to re-create the same? Feb 28 23:01:32 * gabrbedd was just making a joke along the line of "It's not a bug... it's a feature!" Feb 28 23:02:03 I personally move around *.repo files. Works for me. Feb 28 23:02:26 gabrbedd, o_O I had not noticed Feb 28 23:02:27 Also, many of the most recent times zypper hasn't worked for me, it was because the repos got moved around! Feb 28 23:02:32 I have had IT issues all weekend Feb 28 23:02:36 AVG ate my x-chat Feb 28 23:03:13 btdrucke_: that's good to know... i'm new to zypper.. as a long time fedora use, i prefer yum... so i'm learning. Feb 28 23:03:14 npm: I think `zypper ar` has an option to take a .repo file instead of putting all the URL's on the command line. Feb 28 23:03:31 yep that's what i was talking about w/r/t/ tedium Feb 28 23:03:34 lcuk: Plus you killed a laptop by kicking it. :-/ Sorry, dude. Feb 28 23:03:55 gabrbedd, different issue Feb 28 23:03:57 but after that you need to also do a bunch of "zypper modifyrepo" to change, priority of repos Feb 28 23:04:00 that has a cracked motherboard Feb 28 23:04:08 * lcuk had a :( IT weekend Feb 28 23:04:16 that way i can prevent the Fedora repo libs from overwriting into meego, but steal all their apps... Feb 28 23:07:07 the main thing standing in the way of progress is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 and https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 Feb 28 23:07:09 Bug 13778 nor, Undecided, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wireless connection loses "router" setting for Static-IP Feb 28 23:07:11 Bug 13780 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.4, martin.xu, ASSI, Wired connection stops working when transferring lots of data Feb 28 23:07:49 aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7529 Feb 28 23:07:51 Bug 7529 nor, High, 1.1, jku, NEW, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes Feb 28 23:08:18 aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11083 Feb 28 23:08:20 Bug 11083 maj, Medium, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [REG] "Ethernet/Wifi is not available" in Control Panel Feb 28 23:08:55 lcuk: So, did you figure out the BMC thing? How to turn it into a feature? Feb 28 23:09:19 lcuk: .o/ Feb 28 23:09:25 gabrbedd, filed a new one (bug 13922) Feb 28 23:09:27 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13922 enh, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, RESO DUPLICATE, [FEA] Missing fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcrip Feb 28 23:09:33 but hirabayashitaro filed bug 13923 Feb 28 23:09:35 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13923 nor, Undecided, ---, sami.pienimaki, NEW, [FEA] Fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcription Feb 28 23:09:49 lcuk: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/cosmo/meego_1.1_extras_Netbook/i586/ Feb 28 23:10:42 nice CosmoHill Feb 28 23:10:45 nice CosmoHill. it s for a n900 cluster around the world? Feb 28 23:10:53 took over a day to appear on the repo Feb 28 23:11:10 niala1: actually it failed on arm for some reason Feb 28 23:11:23 CosmoHill: wht is a day in a life? Feb 28 23:11:40 lcuk: :-S can't win for losing, eh? Feb 28 23:12:28 CosmoHill: :-) Feb 28 23:12:44 * CosmoHill plays "wtf is my password" Feb 28 23:13:21 i hate doing that with sites that disable the account after three tries Feb 28 23:14:55 gabrbedd, story of my life Feb 28 23:14:57 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/openmpi/1.4.3-1ubuntu2 Feb 28 23:29:37 i m wonder why the universe exist instead of not ? Feb 28 23:30:06 if it didn't you weren't be here to wander Feb 28 23:30:19 or wonder, one of the two Feb 28 23:30:30 CosmoHill: incredible isn't it? Feb 28 23:33:09 i didnt knew nokia changed gtk for kde ? Feb 28 23:33:47 I wonder, what will happen when silicium will disappear ? we will do wood computer? Feb 28 23:33:58 silicon* Feb 28 23:34:04 gallium arsenide Feb 28 23:34:27 yes were will people get their boobs Feb 28 23:34:31 Redmono: they haven't as far as I know Feb 28 23:34:45 hmmmm Feb 28 23:34:53 hey dawn Feb 28 23:35:00 hey CosmoHill! Feb 28 23:35:12 Redmono, i got boobs without silicon Feb 28 23:35:23 I had a meeting with my dissertation supervisor and I survived :D Feb 28 23:35:31 just wait 30 years Feb 28 23:35:34 :P Feb 28 23:35:57 besides silicon is obsoleet Feb 28 23:36:14 coltan Feb 28 23:36:39 CosmoHill: good meeting uou re happy ? good news for you? Feb 28 23:36:50 I'm fu...screwed Feb 28 23:37:24 ideally I need to do about 1000 words a week Feb 28 23:37:41 !rank Feb 28 23:37:43 I say that, ideally I would have already done the work and not need to catch up Feb 28 23:37:59 theres no ranking for the most chater box ? Feb 28 23:38:03 Redmono: killer op, regular and newbies Feb 28 23:38:28 words= words; if i <10000 { echo > word} Feb 28 23:39:14 CosmoHill: great UK whos invent sandwich :) Feb 28 23:39:16 if you're a chatter box you'd have a very low rank compared to someone who provides meaningful contributions to relative discussions Feb 28 23:39:29 niala_droopy: the welsh invented the toasty Feb 28 23:41:27 damn freenode Feb 28 23:41:36 and theier ident thing Feb 28 23:41:46 its like a mania Feb 28 23:42:25 Redmono_: can you tell me the names of the two founding companies? Feb 28 23:42:43 for what ? Feb 28 23:42:54 for Meego Feb 28 23:42:55 CosmoHill: and french eat :) Feb 28 23:43:06 intel nokia ? Feb 28 23:43:17 correct Feb 28 23:43:23 hufff Feb 28 23:43:29 do i get a prize ? Feb 28 23:43:45 I don't put you on my hit list, does that count? Feb 28 23:44:49 humm kadafi merc better watch out ... Feb 28 23:45:32 merc ? Feb 28 23:45:42 whet is mec? Feb 28 23:45:48 merc Feb 28 23:45:58 is it quiz night? Feb 28 23:46:12 ababdabdahbiabhab Feb 28 23:46:49 niala_droopy: just dont drool on the keyboard Feb 28 23:46:53 woop woop Feb 28 23:47:28 !trivia Feb 28 23:47:30 s/quiz night/happy hour/ Feb 28 23:47:31 ali1234 meant: is it happy hour? Feb 28 23:48:06 happy hour is finished here, but not really in my brain Feb 28 23:48:52 any one for a netris session ? Feb 28 23:48:57 :) Feb 28 23:49:04 is netris on meego ? Feb 28 23:49:06 niala_droopy: ? Feb 28 23:49:19 ah is not a game ? Feb 28 23:49:37 its not ? Feb 28 23:49:53 might be a batlle of the wills Feb 28 23:50:16 and muscle memorei Feb 28 23:50:47 youll need a 100 hz brain to beat me :P Feb 28 23:52:09 waoouh actually my brain i m more 0,3 hz Feb 28 23:52:24 like alcool in my blood in fact Feb 28 23:52:59 cool Feb 28 23:53:16 so its al cool then ? Feb 28 23:53:53 well this is not an habit Feb 28 23:54:18 just a custume then Feb 28 23:55:36 just join AA Feb 28 23:55:40 yep and the girl i have seen is so, how to explain, so nice, maybe she can make me abandon meego Feb 28 23:56:26 how would you send her sweet mms then ? Feb 28 23:56:49 there is girls on #meego ? lol Feb 28 23:57:23 what os doesent have its pron ? Feb 28 23:57:41 * CosmoHill rolls eyes Feb 28 23:57:43 just use google Feb 28 23:58:03 pron ? Feb 28 23:58:35 no need to send mms only roses... oh i m so nice :) Feb 28 23:58:37 google meego even the name looks like a ripof ;) Feb 28 23:59:07 its just that meego have sexier eeys Feb 28 23:59:11 CosmoHill: what he say ? Feb 28 23:59:26 duno but i think it's a good idea to get back on topic Feb 28 23:59:40 whats the topic ? Feb 28 23:59:57 niala_droopy: it looks like there is a bug in openmpi 1.4.x for ARM but it may have been fixed in openmpi 1.5 Mar 01 00:01:29 the topic is how to decrease bug in meego... knowing that every day there is new bugs Mar 01 00:02:16 CosmoHill: do a 1.5..rpm so ? the .spe should work? Mar 01 00:02:38 I should be able to just change the version in the .spec Mar 01 00:02:49 its not "there is new bugs" Mar 01 00:03:00 its there*are new bugs Mar 01 00:03:27 oui sorry Mar 01 00:04:11 do you program in french ? Mar 01 00:04:19 roflol Mar 01 00:04:56 i m Mar 01 00:05:01 french sintaxe can be such a pain Mar 01 00:05:44 sure even for me Mar 01 00:06:43 i kinda liked nokia phones but with winOS im not so sure... Mar 01 00:07:09 mabey i can get them to dualboot ubuntu unity Mar 01 00:07:58 Redmono: idem, nokia phone are very strong, durable Mar 01 00:08:19 and they do make phone calls Mar 01 00:09:44 only if you have credits Mar 01 00:09:46 ! Mar 01 00:10:00 no Mar 01 00:10:12 they also make settop boxes and laptops Mar 01 00:10:24 yes with new winOS nokia you just need a free hot sopt :) Mar 01 00:10:49 for Sip ? Mar 01 00:11:14 winpho,e know sip? i m impressioned Mar 01 00:11:17 isnt it viop ? all these acronims Mar 01 00:11:53 is it voip or sip or dosent mater really ? Mar 01 00:12:37 no i suppose no Mar 01 00:12:41 CosmoHill: ? Mar 01 00:13:18 i usually just send sms and wait it out Mar 01 00:13:39 i guess thats why i dont have a girlfriend Mar 01 00:13:51 funny next apple laptop will be Intel+Ati or Intel+intel Mar 01 00:14:46 why is that funny ? Mar 01 00:15:17 niala_droopy: the high end macbook pros have both intel and nvidia graphics cards Mar 01 00:15:35 because Apple is now only an assembleur and iOs Mar 01 00:15:36 thats one reason the intel devs have macs Mar 01 00:15:43 just what i was thinking about Mar 01 00:15:55 do you read fortune too CosmoHill ? Mar 01 00:16:01 no Mar 01 00:16:08 I don't have a mac Mar 01 00:16:17 good i real find that stuf scray Mar 01 00:16:25 scary * Mar 01 00:16:29 auke: no but you have everything else Mar 01 00:16:36 now macintosh is only Apple like a Windows Mar 01 00:16:40 CosmoHill: pretty much Mar 01 00:16:57 auke: between the two of us, there must be 30+ computers on our desks Mar 01 00:18:08 CosmoHill: that's why you use a cluster .? Mar 01 00:18:09 so you dont really need a multicore /tasking cpu CosmoHill Mar 01 00:18:23 auke: take a pause Mar 01 00:18:47 I could by one HP to replace the whole cluster Mar 01 00:19:20 "one to rull them all and in fire bind them." Mar 01 00:19:30 CosmoHill: nah, I get rid of systems quickly too - keep it below 5 or so systems when I can Mar 01 00:19:33 CosmoHill: not really energy saving Mar 01 00:19:56 Redmono: fire + super computer = bad Mar 01 00:20:26 i was talking about recicling Mar 01 00:20:31 :) Mar 01 00:20:37 what's your first language Mar 01 00:20:56 10001 0110 10101 01010 lol Mar 01 00:21:09 niala_droopy: don't swear Mar 01 00:21:31 hey TSCH Mar 01 00:23:00 whats TSCH ? Mar 01 00:24:04 i bet TSCH = 108-82-162-8.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net Mar 01 00:24:40 there is no easy meego question this night ? Mar 01 00:28:01 will megoo be bacawards compatible with old nokia phones and will i be able to run it for free ? Mar 01 00:28:10 "intel+intel"? Mar 01 00:28:18 i mean the really old 25 bucks phones Mar 01 00:28:37 javispedro: processor + graphics Mar 01 00:28:43 ah Mar 01 00:28:54 * javispedro still can't forget the experience with switchable graphics Mar 01 00:29:02 so much foe wintel ? Mar 01 00:29:17 Redmono: yes, you will be able to dial all the same phone numbers as from your old phones Mar 01 00:29:17 (so I thought you were talking about intel gfx x2 =) Mar 01 00:29:56 i hope they have speatch recognition because its such a time saver Mar 01 00:30:36 i guess no one bother sting it up Mar 01 00:30:41 Redmono, it looks like you used speech recognition for that line Mar 01 00:31:20 if only speach recognition had an ebebed speelcheker Mar 01 00:31:33 "dear aunt let's set so double the killer delete select all" Mar 01 00:32:26 * niala_droopy learn qml and is really nice Mar 01 00:32:32 i ued to use that for not having to go thru the phone list Mar 01 00:32:40 but im an odd ball Mar 01 00:32:43 "speach" recognition doesn't misspell. Mar 01 00:33:23 * Redmono is glad for missseeling it makes him feel human Mar 01 00:33:30 shame on you Redmono :d Mar 01 00:37:42 lcuk: after that demo they made all excuses like "the room was noisy and echoey" Mar 01 00:38:00 lcuk: but the computer clearly heard him say "select all" and then didn't do it, that can only be crap software Mar 01 00:38:31 ali1234, I recall the demo and cringed with everyone Mar 01 00:38:46 what demo is this? Mar 01 00:38:48 having had my fair share of stage hiccups Mar 01 00:38:57 CosmoHill, the dear aunt quote I posted Mar 01 00:38:59 CosmoHill: just google "dear aunt" etc Mar 01 00:39:14 is from a microsoft speech recognition demo Mar 01 00:40:04 im not saying you should talk to the computer on a regualr basis i just think its neat to have on a phone since you are goint to talk to it anyway Mar 01 00:41:03 Redmono, I do not doubt nor object Mar 01 00:41:17 but you will have to look at what assistive input methods are around Mar 01 00:41:27 besides when i talk to the computer i rader it not hear me or he might take it personaloly and execut revenge Mar 01 00:41:38 :) Mar 01 00:41:57 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472#docid=-6763786752660444455 Mar 01 00:41:59 this? Mar 01 00:42:17 CosmoHill: no Mar 01 00:42:23 ah, i think it's a joke Mar 01 00:42:35 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472# Mar 01 00:42:37 this ^ Mar 01 00:42:58 obviously sppech recognition isn't going to work if you try to use it write perl Mar 01 00:43:08 who says? Mar 01 00:43:13 just stub your toe Mar 01 00:43:19 perfect perl output Mar 01 00:44:01 does he have to tell it twice so the computer know its not a regular chat ? Mar 01 00:44:26 good night, have nices dreams Mar 01 00:45:26 i think english has a problem because it doesnt use alot of difrent sounds and lots of difrent frases sound alike Mar 01 00:46:04 if you sai fuck you to the computer its going to right thank you Mar 01 00:46:18 because you know how polite the computers are :) Mar 01 00:48:10 besides windows use lots of computer processing to do what ever it is it does when its not doing anything Mar 01 00:50:32 ali1234: indeed, the guy is an idiot for trying to program Mar 01 00:51:01 well i don't think he really expected it to work Mar 01 00:51:12 it started swearing at him Mar 01 00:51:15 i mean what windows users actually write perl scripts? Mar 01 00:53:28 perl coders like to bash MS products ? Mar 01 00:53:46 not that i think that it worked Mar 01 00:54:23 windows has to much latency Mar 01 00:54:35 legacy* Mar 01 00:54:51 thats why you see lots of music dj using MACs Mar 01 00:54:58 oh I see Mar 01 00:55:14 at least some of them the other 90 per cent use them becaus its trendy Mar 01 00:55:35 damn them Mar 01 00:55:48 dam how ? Mar 01 00:56:01 damn who ? Mar 01 00:56:02 with a pitch fork? Mar 01 00:56:26 CosmoHill: kadafi is hireing Mar 01 00:56:26 my mac has stickers on it, it's got a big dent in it and tape holding parts together Mar 01 00:56:49 ho ! i pity you Mar 01 00:57:37 but not to much because you seem to have 30+ computer other then mac just siting around Mar 01 00:58:43 if i had a make i would just install ubuntu or some other linux Mar 01 00:58:56 MAC* Mar 01 00:59:01 they're not sitting around Mar 01 00:59:45 if you ask me maks gui us from the 80s Mar 01 01:00:04 damn wireless keyboards Mar 01 01:00:15 yes, blame the keyboard Mar 01 01:00:43 cant even read the chars Mar 01 01:00:54 the paint id gone Mar 01 01:01:11 you should be able to touch type Mar 01 01:01:39 im geting there Mar 01 01:01:44 kinda funny, 50 years ago it was a woman's place to touch type Mar 01 01:01:59 now everyone should be able too Mar 01 01:02:43 not for long im geting a digital board pretty soon Mar 01 01:02:55 digitizer ? Mar 01 01:03:01 what the hell its called Mar 01 01:03:12 I have no idea what you're on about Mar 01 01:03:24 then i will be able to really wright Mar 01 01:03:45 you got love my hand writhing Mar 01 01:03:49 tablet? Mar 01 01:04:06 i guess that will do Mar 01 01:04:21 i was thinking a draning board type of thing Mar 01 01:04:36 google "wacom tablet" Mar 01 01:05:58 that looks cool is it running inkscape ? Mar 01 01:06:17 I've used it on inkscape before Mar 01 01:06:38 Redmono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_GruOfYo4 Mar 01 01:06:39 can you use autocad with it ? Mar 01 01:07:54 err i meant blender Mar 01 01:08:19 google sketchup ? Mar 01 01:08:39 ahh .. Mar 01 01:08:43 what's meego? Mar 01 01:08:46 that is running windows ? Mar 01 01:09:54 hello ? Mar 01 01:11:17 CosmoHill: is that running windows ? Mar 01 01:11:37 hmm.. Mar 01 01:11:38 can it be pluged into a desktop laptop or something ? Mar 01 01:11:50 nobody's awake Redmono - so it seems Mar 01 01:11:59 enjoy vrlogrs.com if ur bored :D Mar 01 01:12:47 Redmono: it's connected to a powermac running photoshop Mar 01 01:13:21 what about windows ? Mar 01 01:13:34 what about it? Mar 01 01:13:46 the problem is most programs are designed to use that stuff Mar 01 01:13:48 it's a "Cintiq 21UX", look it up Mar 01 01:13:54 i mean arent* Mar 01 01:16:31 besides that damn expensive Mar 01 01:16:54 1999 ? thats almost the number of the beast :) Mar 01 01:17:57 1999 wasn't a bad year Mar 01 01:18:28 not at all at least there wasnt a market crash Mar 01 01:18:43 i was in florida for most of it Mar 01 01:19:14 sis you see the aligators ? Mar 01 01:19:25 not all of them :) Mar 01 01:25:43 completed its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee finally a AV for MAC ? Mar 01 01:26:05 "Intel has completed its US$7.68 billion acquisition of security vendor McAfee, Mar 01 01:26:43 who would have guessed MACfee would cost 7.68 billion !!!! Mar 01 01:27:00 i usually got it for free Mar 01 01:27:14 but havent been using it for ages now Mar 01 01:27:33 cyas Mar 01 01:27:55 astalavista Mar 01 01:31:05 McAfee is junk, the only thing that's worse is Norton Mar 01 01:32:45 http://tinyurl.com/4vv4slt "Android vs. MeeGo - Which is Better for the x86?" Mar 01 01:36:54 heh Mar 01 01:37:13 Alison_Chaiken: nice. Thanks for the link. Mar 01 01:37:13 can't wait to see what position is he going to take =) Mar 01 01:38:23 * gabrbedd wonders what position people in this channel will take :-p Mar 01 01:39:18 hehe linus whent to holywood :) Mar 01 01:39:40 javispedro, I'd like to attend the talk and find out for myself! Mar 01 01:44:42 he seems to have worked with android, though >:) Mar 01 02:05:05 why would it make any difference what CPU it uses? Mar 01 02:06:17 ali1234, it makes a huge difference with the cpu Mar 01 02:06:45 for example mego could take advantage of more x86 features then android Mar 01 02:06:54 meego* Mar 01 02:08:08 what kind of features? Mar 01 02:09:09 unless you count 15 minute battery life and the ability to set fire to your trousers as features... Mar 01 02:09:22 well more accurately, some extensions like vitalization, accelerated encryption and stuff like SSE Mar 01 02:24:11 ali1234: The floating point performance of Atoms is about 1000x that of ARM. Mar 01 02:24:29 ali1234: So if you're running apps that need a lot of FP power, Atom is the way to go. Mar 01 02:24:54 and that's useful on a mobile operating system... how? Mar 01 02:24:59 ali1234: Sure, ARM's have DSP support... but the support is optional and requires special procedures to get your code optimized for it. Mar 01 02:25:13 mobile audio apps, for one. Mar 01 02:25:22 can't think of any others. Mar 01 02:25:35 anyway, that's one benefit of using atom. Mar 01 02:26:44 see, a more interesting question would be "will it ever make sense to use x86 in a mobile device?" or "will android ever be suitable for anything other than mobile devices?" Mar 01 02:28:32 ali1234: the target apps of mobiles dont' user floating point now because ARM doesn't support it well Mar 01 02:28:37 not because its not useful Mar 01 02:32:17 ali1234: would x86 ever make sense for a phone? I don't know. Mar 01 02:32:36 But for a mobile device? I think the answer is obviously, yes. Mar 01 02:45:24 gabrbedd: the DSP support is not only optional, it's also closed source, and IMHO that was part of what slowed ARM handset development -- all the nonworking lowlevel infrastrucure that needed bootstrapping before being able to build apps on top of them.... oh and aren't the opengl parts closed too... Mar 01 02:46:52 npm: +1 Mar 01 02:47:49 part of the problem is that "upper management" doesn't recognize how hard it is to replatform and rework... the devil is in the details that is well below the level of a powerpoint Mar 01 02:57:50 IMHO if certain handset manufacturers were to ensure that the hardware they designed was totally open, with no closed device drivers... then they might be in the same position that intel was in to standardize a the x86 PC.... and make an equivalently open standard for any handset OS to work with... Mar 01 02:58:50 (needed, a handset bios that's open) Mar 01 02:59:44 and if you're going to be a hardware mfgr, then you want to make hardware that runs as many platforms as possible **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 01 02:59:57 2011