**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 02:59:59 2011 Mar 04 03:08:12 TSCHAKeee: May 23-25th Mar 04 03:08:33 http://sf2011.meego.com/ Mar 04 03:08:44 oh i know about the summit Mar 04 03:08:48 she was talking about something else. Mar 04 03:09:17 http://meego.com/community/events/2011/meego-summit-fi-2011 ? Mar 04 03:11:52 Why doesn't the registration form have a field for "student" . . . Mar 04 03:57:03 documents "meegolem" hack as bug: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 Mar 04 03:57:05 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug 14129 maj, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, DumbUser says "MeeGo is broken I can't watch my videos, hear my music, or receive podcasts and there Mar 04 04:00:04 anybody know which package in meego provides libQtMultimedia.so? Mar 04 04:01:49 vgrade: can I get the latest ks you're using for the joggler? Mar 04 04:02:07 it seems the file paths have changed since the last time you changed the one on bug10738 Mar 04 04:02:10 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Mar 04 04:08:09 ieatlint: libqtmultimediakit1 has libQtMultimediaKit.so.1 Mar 04 04:08:23 ieatlint: I'm not sure if it's the same thing you're looking for, though. Mar 04 04:09:27 hmmm.. maybe, but the name change is causing a linker to fail then Mar 04 04:10:11 ah, i've figured it out Mar 04 04:10:35 qtmultimedia is not part of qt-mobility on meego Mar 04 04:10:40 i think Mar 04 04:18:15 ieatlint: yep. looks like qt-mobility. Mar 04 04:18:26 ieatlint: See http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/05/06/qt-47-scope-change-regarding-qt-multimedia/ Mar 04 04:45:50 hi, so i'm trying to build an image of meego netbook from the kickstart file at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.90.5.20110301.7.ks Mar 04 04:47:33 one of the groups that are requested in this file is @MeeGo Netbook Desktop which at http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/repos/oss/ia32/packages/repodata/group.xml contains the package moblin-gtk-engine Mar 04 04:47:50 however there is no package for this in the same repo Mar 04 04:48:55 if i skip this group (i'd end up with an unusable desktop) but i get the same problem with X for Netbooks and libGL Mar 04 04:50:08 neither of these files are reported in the build log at http://mirrors2.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.90.5.20110301.7.log Mar 04 04:50:41 what is happening here? Mar 04 06:27:07 hello everyone Mar 04 06:30:34 hello Mar 04 06:31:51 hello.. too late? Mar 04 06:32:11 nop Mar 04 06:39:09 * TSCHAKeee happies, OBS built packages, and they install from the repo onto my meego laptop and run just fine Mar 04 06:39:31 andre: if you happen to be awake, please pong Mar 04 06:39:56 orbiter runs.. now am trying to build a handset image for joggler, so i can have some sort of meegotouch ui Mar 04 06:45:34 oh, ali1234, on the subject of 'having components for everything', https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346405 Mar 04 06:45:56 the advantage of micro managing components is that there's no way anyone will manage to get bugs to the right place Mar 04 06:46:48 supposedly we should be having a revamp mapping each package to a component Mar 04 06:46:55 but not sure what happened to that Mar 04 06:47:57 was there some place i should have heard about that? Mar 04 06:48:09 (not that i actually pay attn to enough such places) Mar 04 06:48:34 i like the lag on that bug Mar 04 06:48:38 and the resolution Mar 04 06:48:40 'notabug' Mar 04 06:48:59 yeah, no. you can't call a crash notabug. you could use 'incomplete' or you could use 'worksforme' Mar 04 06:49:04 but calling it 'notabug' is rude Mar 04 06:49:09 (and a lie) Mar 04 07:10:57 TSCHAKeee, will add it to my list, when do you need it? Mar 04 07:11:19 oh, i think i am pushing ahead Mar 04 07:11:27 don't worry Mar 04 07:13:50 TSCHAKeee, there have been a number of EMGD updates commited in the last week or so including a libva fix. I may have a look at upgrading at the weekend Mar 04 07:13:57 cool Mar 04 07:14:07 i am working on the joggler and the archos9 as targets Mar 04 07:14:33 i have orbiter now where it installs entirely as packages in mic2 Mar 04 07:14:54 now i just need to put together enough of a UI to properly configure the network without any external hardware Mar 04 07:15:08 cool, do you have pics, video? Mar 04 07:17:25 vgrade: not yet Mar 04 07:17:29 as i said Mar 04 07:17:41 i need to get more of the system up so i don't have to connect 50,000 things to it Mar 04 07:17:47 otherwise it's more of the same Mar 04 07:17:49 ;) Mar 04 07:18:05 i tried making a joggler stick, and it looks like it's just sitting at the O2 splash Mar 04 07:18:17 soooo god only knows what happened, so i am trying archos9 Mar 04 07:56:27 TSCHAKeee, you bunziped before dd? Mar 04 07:56:54 I sometimes get the stick not to boot. Mar 04 07:57:28 are you using a hsb hub Mar 04 07:57:31 usb Mar 04 07:58:04 I always remove power from the hub after powering down the Joggler Mar 04 07:58:25 seesm to make the boot more consistent Mar 04 10:47:28 * CosmoHill is getting annoyed at having to install SQL 2008 for people Mar 04 10:54:17 from dmesg: http://paste.kde.org/6438/ -> I do not see anything in the output of 'fdisk -l' after connecting the device to the host PC in mass storage mode, nor the N900 memory, nor even the mmc/sdcard partition table. What do I do wrong ? Mar 04 10:55:38 from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Mar 04 11:33:54 mmh, I always get kernel panic if I try to reboot the N900 gadget even after a new 'dd' session with the meego handset version, what do I do wrong ? Mar 04 11:34:17 The sdcard/mmc was written from an external sd reader from the host PC. Mar 04 11:34:43 you're ignoring me so i can't help you with that :) Mar 04 11:37:10 Maemo5 boots just fine, but not the meego from the sdcard. Mar 04 11:38:43 and I see exactly no output related to the Nokia gadget in the output of 'fdisk -l'. Mar 04 11:38:52 even the dmesg does not write anything wrong. Mar 04 11:39:01 I should at least see the internal memory... Mar 04 11:52:02 and if I boot without the MMC/SDCARD I see the 29GB partition in a mass storage mode, no clue really... Mar 04 11:56:57 is there any option to check the mmc from ubbot ? Mar 04 12:02:58 that is the fsck stuff: http://paste.kde.org/6444/ Mar 04 12:17:17 http://paste.kde.org/6445/ -> what about this one ? Mar 04 12:36:23 we (meego-qa-tools) released a new video about the concept how our testing tools support manual testing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXBqGdLz8I Mar 04 12:47:08 meego qa tools propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXBqGdLz8I Mar 04 12:47:15 enjoy :) Mar 04 12:47:30 timakima: oh. you already pasted it :) Mar 04 12:48:53 :) Mar 04 12:49:17 hands up who knows what happens to tech (router) if a plastic bag of clothes is left ontop of it? Mar 04 12:49:59 lcukn900: something funny? Mar 04 12:50:51 lcukn900, "this thread is worthless without pics." Mar 04 12:51:25 lol it outwardly had no problems but damn that was a hot router Mar 04 12:52:04 * lcukn900 going getting new one Mar 04 12:52:11 because no light are on Mar 04 12:52:57 you fried your router? Mar 04 13:55:21 o/ Mar 04 13:57:12 hi all. wondering if there's anyone here bored enough to talk a little meego/other alt netbook oses Mar 04 13:58:34 morn gaojinl_ Mar 04 13:58:38 morn GAN900 Mar 04 13:58:54 Is anyone else once again confused by the registration and hotel reservation setup? Mar 04 13:59:00 Howdy, Stskeeps. Mar 04 14:00:16 GAN900: note it on mailing list asap ideally Mar 04 14:02:10 suppose the biggest thing i'm wanting to hear is say, the pros of going with meego over jolicloud? (aside from cloud stuff) Mar 04 14:06:54 not trolling or anything here. i've used both and i'd have thought i'd be able to answer my own question, but i'm still a little torn. anyone care to point out an advantage or two of meego for a non-dev? Mar 04 14:22:10 is this thing on? +v plz? Mar 04 14:22:29 Stskeeps, right. Mar 04 14:22:37 right, well, you ladies and gents have yourselves a most excellent day. Mar 04 14:22:42 o/ Mar 04 14:30:38 why do I have this QGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture Mar 04 14:45:18 routers are resiliant! the one that died earlier came back on after completely cooling down Mar 04 14:45:37 * lcuk3 keeps the new one in its box Mar 04 14:52:39 thiagoss - ping Mar 04 14:53:29 DawnFoster, hm? Mar 04 14:54:03 hey - can you add the proposal deadline to the meego-dev post? Mar 04 14:54:11 DawnFoster: i think you mean another thiago :) Mar 04 14:54:39 oh, sorry - I thought the other thiago was messing with his nick again :) Mar 04 14:54:40 tell me what to add, i was about to send it out for him as he's in the air at the moment Mar 04 14:55:11 provided amy's post is read Mar 04 14:55:25 er, ready Mar 04 14:55:38 Stskeeps: sweet, thanks - just add something about proposals being due by 11:59 pm Pacific Time on mArch 18 Mar 04 14:56:59 k Mar 04 14:57:42 Hi all. I want to ask if kind of remote wipe feature is planned for 1.2 release. Mar 04 14:58:01 ruik: i guess you could implement one if you really wanted :) Mar 04 14:58:29 DawnFoster: i've come to the conclusion not to include the actual CfP in the mail, agree/disagree? Mar 04 14:58:42 it would look cluttered/mixed up together with the text so Mar 04 14:58:46 agreed - link is fine Mar 04 14:58:49 k Mar 04 14:58:51 sending then Mar 04 15:01:19 Stskeeps, the daily testing reports moved to RSS, but I have lost the feed, do you have a link Mar 04 15:01:26 Stskeeps: heh ok Mar 04 15:02:02 lcuk: can't recall Mar 04 15:03:07 http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Core ahh is one I believe Mar 04 15:09:32 Stskeeps: is the 0301 snapshot of handset completely broken? Mar 04 15:09:49 TSCHAKeee: n900 or which? Mar 04 15:10:05 sorry, i'm testing on i586 Mar 04 15:10:16 ah, no clue Mar 04 15:10:22 ok Mar 04 15:10:22 qa-reports.meego.com Mar 04 15:10:37 * TSCHAKeee is doing something gonzo, so it's probably him Mar 04 15:10:45 check anyway Mar 04 15:10:45 TSCHAKeee, the 0228 image at least would not boot at all Mar 04 15:10:52 for handset or netbook Mar 04 15:10:57 lcuk: i am getting that too Mar 04 15:11:10 bug 13956 Mar 04 15:11:13 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13956 maj, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, [Trunk:testing][REG] Pinetrail Handset and Netbook Images do not boot from USB Mar 04 15:11:20 yup that would be it Mar 04 15:12:15 * TSCHAKeee facepalms Mar 04 15:24:14 GMail SMTP failure in Modest. Big surprise. Mar 04 15:43:58 hi al Mar 04 15:43:59 all Mar 04 15:44:14 moo Mar 04 15:44:15 do hope to be sponsored participants need to reserve lodging? Mar 04 15:44:36 sorry, that didn't parse Mar 04 15:44:39 also, Hyatt Regency is the hotel where the conference is taking place right? Mar 04 15:44:48 right Mar 04 15:45:10 i'm personally taking another hotel Mar 04 15:46:40 Stskeeps: closer to beach? Mar 04 15:47:31 take a look at the hotel location, it doesn't get much closer to water Mar 04 15:47:31 :P Mar 04 15:47:36 nah, somewhere cheaper Mar 04 15:48:22 thiago: we sent already Mar 04 15:48:30 Stskeeps, is this because mrs Keeps is with you? Mar 04 15:48:38 lcuk: that too Mar 04 15:49:00 and the fact we're travelling around the US from 14-28th may Mar 04 15:49:57 * sivang wonders what to choose on the lodging menu that you can't workaround Mar 04 15:50:16 maybe no lodging? Mar 04 15:50:34 Stskeeps: thanks for posting Mar 04 15:50:44 yeah Stskeeps - will be a great adventure for you guys! :D Mar 04 15:51:08 thiago: np, seems like it was one person per list.. one for events, one for dev, one for community ;) Mar 04 15:51:42 sivang, just sent an email to -community about that. Mar 04 15:51:55 that's how we did before Mar 04 15:52:02 * thiago is about to enter the Oslo-Lillestrøm tunnel and will disconnect Mar 04 15:52:27 right... and I don't have a printer as well. Mar 04 15:52:34 neat usability for the regiteratio site :) Mar 04 15:52:39 pdf? Mar 04 15:55:57 TSCHAKeee, did you notice the daily images for handset/netbook are not showing pinetrail on the images page Mar 04 15:56:03 yet again disappointed dietary restrictions doesn't contain "bacon" Mar 04 15:56:30 Stskeeps, you cannot restrict bacon! Mar 04 15:56:35 GAN900: so yes, the most suboptimal solution as just proposed by Amy, I replied onto the list Mar 04 15:56:41 you can add it as a dietary supliment to every meal though! Mar 04 15:57:02 GAN900: I chose 'no lodging' so far Mar 04 15:57:34 linuxy question: before gtk, what did people build apps using? Mar 04 15:57:57 lcuk: they did not :-p Mar 04 15:58:01 wxwindows? Mar 04 15:58:03 lol Mar 04 15:58:07 ncurses Mar 04 15:58:09 ;) Mar 04 15:58:23 hah Mar 04 15:58:25 lcuk: Motif! Mar 04 15:59:01 GAN900: held myself not to add 'canonical manage this without requiring thier community credit number' :-) Mar 04 16:03:20 lcuk: he meant' X-Motif' Mar 04 16:03:25 ;) Mar 04 16:03:42 lol Mar 04 16:04:05 timoph, :D your twitter name has an extra character! any reason? Mar 04 16:04:20 I actually developed some bits with this set of libs... Mar 04 16:04:30 on a silicon graphics Irix Mar 04 16:04:38 or Iris Mar 04 16:04:50 nice Mar 04 16:04:56 lcuk: IIRC timoph was taken when I registered Mar 04 16:04:57 or whatever they were called back in 96 Mar 04 16:05:15 * lcuk remembers the amiga and evolution from built i to the MagicUI stuff Mar 04 16:05:28 timoph, o_O Mar 04 16:05:35 there is only 1 of you! Mar 04 16:05:51 :) Mar 04 16:07:40 lcuk: moral of the story... never take timoph 's nick. You'll "disappear", too. Mar 04 16:07:40 I actually would have a use for a stunt double sometimes Mar 04 16:09:19 anyway, I just starting to look how this twitter thingy work. I've had the account for some time already but haven't really used it Mar 04 16:09:23 'm Mar 04 16:11:53 good to see you on it timoph \o Mar 04 16:38:17 Hi guys... Mar 04 16:39:24 hi GalegO Mar 04 16:39:26 How the nexts steps og meego by Nokia?? If I buy a N900, how it will be supported? Mar 04 16:40:34 ow!! rsrss... I consfused... is Maemo not Meego ... sorry!!! Mar 04 17:15:04 Does anyone know how to disable the virtual keyboard, but still keep it so that you can get in on command Mar 04 17:16:43 Anyone? Mar 04 17:16:50 Canadian_P1rat3: With the MTF's keyboard.... If you swipe the kb down, it disappears. Mar 04 17:16:58 Canadian_P1rat3: One way to get it back... Mar 04 17:17:24 I do not want it to appear every time i select a text field Mar 04 17:17:26 Canadian_P1rat3: is to click on the top of the window frame (in Netbook UX). Mar 04 17:17:40 I would like have it running, just not coming up Mar 04 17:17:47 Canadian_P1rat3: Then the answer is: No, you can't. Mar 04 17:17:53 Awww Mar 04 17:17:53 bai Mar 04 17:31:29 Anybody know how to make the meego installer /not/ write to the MBR? Mar 04 17:32:58 you can use grub rescue to fix what installer messed up Mar 04 17:33:48 gabrbedd: I didn't see an option when I last looked Mar 04 17:34:58 mihero: Eh, I'm having to deal with a fickle windows 7 boot loader. Mar 04 17:35:13 mihero: Not just M$'s... but a vendor-enhanced one. Mar 04 17:35:22 mihero: I keep tripping on a land mine. Mar 04 17:36:59 CosmoHill: thx. Mar 04 17:37:10 gabrbedd: i have w7+ubuntu+meego working fine in tripleboot Mar 04 17:37:27 w7 oem install Mar 04 17:38:04 mihero: Yes, I can make it work. Mar 04 17:38:27 mihero: But the vendor has a special "factory restore" feature that's tied to the boot loader. Mar 04 17:38:39 mihero: When I touch the MBR, it quits working. Mar 04 17:38:51 yep, it creates 2 loaders for windows Mar 04 17:38:52 mihero: I even once tried saving and restoring the MBR... no dice. Mar 04 17:39:10 other starts the restoration and other the actual os Mar 04 17:39:19 * gabrbedd freaking hates recovery partitions. Send recovery disks, dammit! Mar 04 17:39:29 my mates had, boot partition, windows vista, second NTFS partition and OEM restore partition Mar 04 17:39:56 extloader does work fine with Windows... it's just the recovery partition that's eating my lunch. Mar 04 17:40:52 gabrbedd: my laptop has grub2 booting Windows, Redhat and two dev linux builds Mar 04 17:41:42 gabrbedd: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/wiki_files/grub.cfg Mar 04 17:42:02 CosmoHill: yes, I know all that. :-) Mar 04 17:42:20 CosmoHill: You know Lenovo's crappy OneKey Recovery? Mar 04 17:42:22 do you know that windows 7 has two partitions? Mar 04 17:42:30 CosmoHill: It's something like that... just crappier. Mar 04 17:42:52 I don't, my laptop had a blank hard drive when I got it Mar 04 17:43:16 DawnFoster1: do you think would BoF sessions be something that might get sponsored? Mar 04 17:43:42 Myrtti: like people leading bofs being sponsored for travel? Mar 04 17:43:47 DawnFoster1: yup Mar 04 17:43:47 * gabrbedd loves to delete Windows off hard drives. :-] Mar 04 17:44:01 Myrtti: it's certainly part of it and makes it a lot more likely. Mar 04 17:44:37 gabrbedd: why not just slap some brand new ssd disk in:) Mar 04 17:44:52 Myrtti: would be great to see you at the conference Mar 04 17:45:01 although my family situation is - to put it mildly - really difficult and I don't know if I could travel in the end even if I get sponsored Mar 04 17:45:39 mihero: because it's not for me. :-) Mar 04 17:46:00 Myrtti: really sorry to hear that you're having difficulties Mar 04 17:46:02 gabrbedd: alright, 4200rpm hdd Mar 04 17:46:22 Myrtti: family issues can really make things difficult Mar 04 17:47:21 * CosmoHill gives Myrtti a hug Mar 04 17:49:27 DawnFoster1, I have heard from people many times about that and howto solve, for instance bringing a partner along to a conference for speakers adds lots of complications, perhaps if there was a way for the partner to also help with the conf itself (even if not technical) ? Mar 04 17:50:09 lcuk: the partner would have to apply and receive sponsorship on their own merits Mar 04 17:50:20 DawnFoster1, yeah, my point Mar 04 17:50:42 yeah, the sponsorship program isn't really designed for people to bring partners Mar 04 17:51:10 honestly, we just can only accommodate so much Mar 04 17:51:10 DawnFoster1 it never has been for any conf and has always been a random question from people Mar 04 17:51:51 Stskeeps, you could get Mrs Keeps coding! Mar 04 17:52:36 lcuk: hehe, we're taking all this on own budget :) Mar 04 17:53:07 Stskeeps, I know Mar 04 17:53:20 #random_discussions Mar 04 18:32:40 * lcuk drooling over holiday villas in dubai o_O Mar 04 18:34:08 hi there Mar 04 18:34:23 has anyone ever tried Meego + n900 Mar 04 18:34:23 does the usb host mode work? Mar 04 18:35:32 no, doesn't - someone needs to make it work on modern kernels and ideally get it upsteamed Mar 04 18:35:37 er, upstreamed.. Mar 04 19:37:55 arfoll: ooh. didn't know about rpmrebuild Mar 04 19:38:58 Stskeeps, it's a very nice little tool Mar 04 19:39:15 especially when working with proprietary rpms.... Mar 04 19:39:22 * arfoll looks at his cubovision smiling :-) Mar 04 19:51:07 wait a second... I thought rpm was better than deb because the RPM is looking for libQtCore.so.4 instead of some random package name. WTH?? Mar 04 19:52:04 * gabrbedd is talking about the skype thing and rpmrebuild Mar 04 19:52:53 it looks for them while making the rpm, then transforms the library names into package names Mar 04 19:53:08 so if you only have a binary rpm, it doesn't help you Mar 04 19:53:16 at least thats how i understand it Mar 04 19:55:02 so rpmrebuild rebulds an rpm based on the package database and the installed files Mar 04 19:55:06 interesting Mar 04 19:55:27 i briefly considered writing such a tool to turn the tablet UX back into RPMs Mar 04 19:55:51 ali1234: Right. But rpm /will/ let you specify aribtrary package names that you depend on... and this is what Skype did. Mar 04 19:56:29 ali1234: They covered their bases by requiring the package "qt4-x11"... so they used rpmrebuild to edit the metadata in the package and remove that requirement. Mar 04 19:57:23 well, that's not my understanding Mar 04 19:57:27 ali1234, you don't need to have it installed you can specify a new package Mar 04 19:57:27 (Erm... LEGEND: first "they" == skype, send "they" == aMeeGos) Mar 04 19:57:39 gabrbedd, how did I become 'they' Mar 04 19:58:27 what is in the list of depends for the new package then? Mar 04 19:58:42 ali1234, i just commented out qt4-x11 Mar 04 19:58:53 arfoll: :-) Mar 04 19:58:54 so it will happily install on a system without Qt now? Mar 04 19:59:38 ali1234, yep - it's dumb as hell Mar 04 19:59:57 but there is nothing stoping you from adding a new requires for whatever suits meego best Mar 04 20:00:05 my point was just to show it was easy Mar 04 20:00:45 right. but what you can't do is make a rpm that directly depends on libQtCore.so.4 because rpm has no way of knowing which package provides it, unless that package is already installed Mar 04 20:01:04 so there is no way skype could have made a rpm that was compatible with both fedora and meego Mar 04 20:01:43 ali1234: uh, i actually think Requires: libQtCore.so.4 gets made automatically Mar 04 20:01:55 ali1234, you can require an so directly Mar 04 20:02:04 damn, vgrade isn't here Mar 04 20:02:05 if you're depending directly on qt-x11, you're doing it wrong :) Mar 04 20:02:06 ^^ see what Stskeeps said Mar 04 20:02:06 ali1234: rpm doesn't care what package provides it... it just checks that it's there. Mar 04 20:02:22 arfoll: is there something else i need to install besides emgd-bin? as there is no kernel module for the emgd bits Mar 04 20:02:49 so how would eg. zypper know which package to install to provide the depended libraries? Mar 04 20:02:55 ali1234: OTOH, /zypper/ does know what package(s) provide libQtCore.so.4 Mar 04 20:02:56 ali1234: i.e. zypper wp libQtCore.so.4 Mar 04 20:03:15 "zypper wp" does not work if that file isn't already installed Mar 04 20:03:16 TSCHAKeee, not sure I think that emgd-bin should work on its own Mar 04 20:03:33 i havent looked at it enough though, best to ask vgrade when he's here or try it out Mar 04 20:03:37 arfoll: it doesn't. Mar 04 20:03:42 sigh Mar 04 20:03:44 fuck Mar 04 20:03:55 then have a look in the kernel joggler Mar 04 20:04:00 there must be some glue or something Mar 04 20:05:32 * arfoll goes to eat dinner Mar 04 20:05:50 arfoll: No. rpm only works on what's installed... zypper can use the repo. Mar 04 20:07:30 * gabrbedd is fully aware that Skype does not know how to package properly -- for any distro. :-) Mar 04 20:07:59 skype engineers don't know how to code properly Mar 04 20:08:05 much less package for any distro Mar 04 20:08:19 they do some of the nastiest hacks i've ever seen to deal with the sound card Mar 04 20:08:44 TSCHAKeee: LOL :-) Mar 04 20:08:50 and consistently leave the sound card unusable on a vast number of configurations Mar 04 20:10:53 so where does zypper get it's list of files for wp? Mar 04 20:11:26 ali1234: /var/cache/zypp Mar 04 20:11:41 no, that's clearly where it caches it Mar 04 20:12:27 ali1234: i.e. the info is in the repos. Mar 04 20:12:32 ali1234: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage_11.3#Dependencies Mar 04 20:14:20 ok let me put it another way: how can i see everything a package provides, without installing it? Mar 04 20:16:59 or, how can i see which package contains "/usr/bin/convert" for example? (the correct answer is ImageMagick) Mar 04 20:17:42 ali1234: give me a second Mar 04 20:18:03 rpm -fq /path/to/file Mar 04 20:18:28 MeeGo TigerBlood UX Mar 04 20:19:46 ali1234: not sure of the zypper command... but the info is in the repodata/filelists.xml Mar 04 20:20:20 CosmoHill: error: file /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Mar 04 20:20:42 ali1234: e.g. http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/repodata/25a9e991a0956e368f90a4cbb059438ac91629d29daa587ee550d01def73559e-filelists.xml.gz Mar 04 20:20:50 ah sorry, my command only works for installed packages Mar 04 20:20:59 ali1234: un-gzip that file and you'll see it in there. Mar 04 20:21:08 ali1234: that's the data that zypper uses. Mar 04 20:21:13 i just see a huge xml file that crashes firefox :( Mar 04 20:21:46 right, i loaded it eventually Mar 04 20:21:54 so it really does have a list of every file in the rpm Mar 04 20:22:22 ali1234: So, when you do `zypper wp /usr/bin/convert` it looks in there for the answer(s). Mar 04 20:22:31 yeah except it doesn't work Mar 04 20:23:27 I must've gone blind... Mar 04 20:23:32 i can see the entry for /usr/bin/convert Mar 04 20:23:56 but zypper says "No providers of '/usr/bin/convert' found." Mar 04 20:24:08 and "No providers of 'convert' found." Mar 04 20:24:49 so if my app depends on /usr/bin/convert, and i don't want to explicitly name a package (because it might be different named elsewhere) what do i do? Mar 04 20:27:30 ali1234: What about `zypper wp convert` ? Mar 04 20:27:36 same Mar 04 20:27:46 has anyone submitted their proposal for a talk at the meegoconf? Mar 04 20:27:52 I need some help in submitting mine Mar 04 20:29:36 so, if it has a listing of every file, why does it work for .so but not for other files? Mar 04 20:29:58 it works for "zip" Mar 04 20:30:15 but it is probably just matching the package name in that case Mar 04 20:32:08 ali1234: I don't know. Looks like a bug to me. Mar 04 20:46:54 ali1234: It looks like this explains what we're seeing: http://bit.ly/gFwC7H Mar 04 20:47:28 ali1234: yum does it, zypper doesn't. As of last year, it was "WONTFIX" Mar 04 20:49:01 gabrbedd: yum is to be remove from Meego Mar 04 20:49:35 so iow blame suse Mar 04 20:50:34 no, blame skype. Mar 04 20:50:37 also that doesn't really explain to me what the exact rule is Mar 04 20:50:51 i can't really blame skype for not understanding this stuff if i don't understand it myself Mar 04 20:51:17 i blame the standards, there are too many of htem Mar 04 20:51:47 i blame CosmoHill, there are too many of him Mar 04 20:52:08 don't blame me, blame the pope Mar 04 20:52:11 ali1234: skype had no need to depend on qt4-x11 Mar 04 20:52:45 why do they have the dependency in their rpm ? random chance ? Mar 04 20:52:51 ali1234: rpmbuild automatically inserts a requirement for libQtCore.so.4 -- so you don't even have to worry about it. Mar 04 20:53:18 automatic requires aren't always good Mar 04 20:53:36 I've had rpm complain that I can't install bash.rpm because /bin/bash is a requirment Mar 04 20:53:39 berndhs: probably CYA... in case they missed something. Mar 04 20:55:45 qt-devel, libqt-devel, libqt4-devel, people should make up their minds Mar 04 20:58:28 such a positive writeup: http://myn900.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/meego-on-the-n900-officially-targeted-by-nokia/ Mar 04 20:58:59 tbh i thought they already had support from nokia Mar 04 21:00:46 i note there's not mention of power management Mar 04 21:01:22 bug 7790 Mar 04 21:01:25 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot Mar 04 21:01:34 and notably, one of the last comments: Mar 04 21:01:35 > For reference, the maemo kernel on n900 can run ~8mA base consumption without Mar 04 21:01:35 > enabling OFF mode. With cellular networking, it'll be probably around 10mA. I Mar 04 21:01:35 > think that's the target for what comes to idle power consumption for N900 on Mar 04 21:01:35 > MeeGo 1.2. Mar 04 21:02:45 it's not mentioned here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition Mar 04 21:03:04 except for "battery will be optimized" Mar 04 21:03:23 ali1234, the page is not a complete technically detailed manifesto Mar 04 21:03:37 well, i thought it was Mar 04 21:03:49 ali1234: you can't have a daily usable solution without PM, that is understood Mar 04 21:03:54 i mean it certainly reads like one Mar 04 21:04:18 ali1234, the power management is already being sorted Mar 04 21:04:30 they did not mention any of the other 100s of bugs being worked on either Mar 04 21:05:25 they did list all the other important ones though Mar 04 21:15:40 ali1234: For RPM deps and zypper, it looks like you can depend on anything returned by `rpm -q --provides PACKAGE` Mar 04 21:16:15 ali1234: As it happens, `rpm -q --provides ImageMagick` does not have `convert` in the list. Mar 04 21:16:16 that also only works on installed packages Mar 04 21:17:19 ali1234: You said that you don't have ImageMagick installed, right? Mar 04 21:17:26 right Mar 04 21:17:44 ali1234: What does `zypper wp libMagickCore.so.3` give you? Mar 04 21:18:07 works Mar 04 21:19:34 ali1234: Right. And if you install ImageMagick and do `rpm -q --provides ImageMagick` you'll get a list of strings that you /could/ use to depend on ImageMagick Mar 04 21:19:53 ali1234: ...and zypper will be able to solve the dependency. Mar 04 21:20:06 the list is actually pretty long, too. Mar 04 21:20:10 and where does that list come from? Mar 04 21:20:15 ...but it's mostly .so-files Mar 04 21:20:27 who decides what things appear on it? Mar 04 21:20:45 say i am packaging libfoo Mar 04 21:21:01 how do i control what the package provides? just list it all manually in the spec? Mar 04 21:22:13 ali1234: pretty much, yes Mar 04 21:22:32 in that case you can't rely on this any more than you can rely on consistant package names across distros Mar 04 21:22:35 although rpmbuild automatically makes those Mar 04 21:22:39 ali1234: You add something like `Provides: FooBaby` to make a manual "capability" Mar 04 21:22:59 ali1234: And rpmbuild automatically does a bunch of stuff... like .so-files. Mar 04 21:23:33 ali1234: So then a 3rd party package could depend on FooBaby or on libfoo.so.0 Mar 04 21:24:39 hmm... ok Mar 04 21:26:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjCjgjk9n0o <-- Using MeeGo Image Creator to make a Handset image for a new piece of hardware... Mar 04 21:26:52 :D Mar 04 21:28:30 ali1234: Anyway WRT Skype... they circumvented a very stable feature by manually depending on "qt4-x11" Mar 04 21:28:39 ali1234: But *your* case with scripts... Mar 04 21:28:50 my case? Mar 04 21:29:03 ali1234: ...and binary dependencies... Mar 04 21:29:11 i was just pointing out inconsistencies in my understanding :) Mar 04 21:29:19 ali1234: ...that's a totally valid shortcoming. Mar 04 21:29:41 of course, DEB doesn't do this part any better. :-) Mar 04 21:29:51 deb does not even try though, afaik Mar 04 21:30:41 and pretty much all deb distros inherit their package names from debian (if not the packages themselves) Mar 04 21:31:11 yeah it does try... but I won't get in to that. :-) Still deb requires that everyone's on the same page for package naming. Mar 04 21:36:03 i like how on ubuntu, if you type a command and it isn't installed, it tells you what package to install Mar 04 21:36:33 i constantly run against this problem on rpm distros - command not found, and no idea what package it is in Mar 04 21:36:37 ali1234: i hate when it does that, makes me wait every time i mis-type something Mar 04 21:36:44 yeah it can be a bit slow Mar 04 21:36:50 but the benefit is worth it Mar 04 21:37:15 i wish it could be turned off, fedora does it too now Mar 04 21:37:41 i'm sure it can Mar 04 21:37:55 oh probably, but I can't find it Mar 04 21:37:59 ali1234: berndhs I both love and hate that feature. And it /can/ be turned off. I just don't remember how. :-) Mar 04 21:38:27 sudo dpkg -r command-not-found Mar 04 21:38:34 and -data Mar 04 21:39:45 ali1234: beat me to it! Mar 04 21:39:49 still, the slowness is no worse than the slowness when you press tab and there's 8 million possible completions Mar 04 21:40:04 i'm not going to turn off tab complete just because of that :) Mar 04 21:40:26 i have a few aliases for my most frequent typos Mar 04 21:40:32 alias mroe=more Mar 04 21:40:43 ali1234: do you want to show all 1384 possibilities? Mar 04 21:40:57 alias moron=gabriel Mar 04 21:41:06 gabrbedd: if theres enough possibilities, even that can take ages Mar 04 21:41:47 eg i have some directories with over 50000 files all with sequential filenames Mar 04 21:42:18 eg 00000000.bin - 00050000.bin Mar 04 21:42:19 yeah, I know. I've hit that errorspace, too. Mar 04 21:42:55 PackageKit-command-not-found Mar 04 21:57:51 what is the best game I can install on any of my meego devices? Mar 04 21:58:28 booyah Mar 04 21:58:44 I've never submitted a proposal for a talk before Mar 04 21:59:03 lcuk: how much effort are you willing to go to? Mar 04 21:59:32 ali1234, well based on previous effort put in, I think you could say quite a lot. Mar 04 21:59:37 does it basically have to be in the repos, or are you willing to eg compile wine? Mar 04 21:59:50 does Sun Java work in MeeGo? Mar 04 21:59:50 that is not really a meego game is it Mar 04 22:00:01 well you didn't say meego game... Mar 04 22:00:05 but let us assume that is valid Mar 04 22:00:10 because if it does, then MINECRAFT Mar 04 22:00:13 \o/ Mar 04 22:00:20 minecraft is probably the correct answer, yes Mar 04 22:00:20 and it would of course have to work on my n900 too Mar 04 22:00:35 since that is my meego device in hand atm Mar 04 22:00:53 minecraft on wine on some emulator hmm Mar 04 22:01:03 minecraft is java Mar 04 22:01:11 I think Doom3 postcard rendering would be faster Mar 04 22:01:26 minecraft runs natively with sun java in linux Mar 04 22:01:31 minecraft uses all opengl for graphics... it is fast Mar 04 22:01:33 in fact, I'm playing it as we speak Mar 04 22:01:41 ali1234, my n900 does not support opengl Mar 04 22:01:59 It has OpenGL-ES afaik Mar 04 22:02:12 hmm... n900... best game is probably some rom in snes9x? Mar 04 22:02:31 wait, scratch that - megadrive, super pang Mar 04 22:02:54 perhaps the prefix "legal" should have been added Mar 04 22:02:55 probably the best game of the whole 16 bit era Mar 04 22:03:01 SOLITAIRE!! Mar 04 22:03:02 oh jeez Mar 04 22:03:09 nahh, that was most likely TMNT or sonic Mar 04 22:03:26 gabrbedd, getting closer to usable Mar 04 22:03:32 numpty physics? Mar 04 22:03:36 i don't think there are any good and legal games that will run on n900 Mar 04 22:03:39 how can I search OBS to see if anyone built it already? Mar 04 22:03:51 Myrtti, :D Mar 04 22:04:12 Myrtti, numpyt might work quite well afaik Mar 04 22:04:19 since it worked on the 400mhz n8x0 Mar 04 22:04:32 it all depends on the graphics modes beyond Mar 04 22:04:33 lcuk: there's a search box on the front page of OBS Mar 04 22:04:39 link? Mar 04 22:04:45 https://build.pub.meego.com/ Mar 04 22:04:58 they promised us angry birds... when's that supposed to ship? Mar 04 22:05:17 gabrbedd, solitaire == no results found Mar 04 22:05:32 no results found for numpty Mar 04 22:05:59 2 results for xchat though (confirming it was actually searching) Mar 04 22:06:25 ooh KDE Games set has been pushed there by Mek Mar 04 22:06:35 and zigbee has pushed pygame Mar 04 22:06:44 lcuk: um, there /is/ a solitaire game... and it's installed on Netbook by default. I don't remember what it's called, though. Mar 04 22:06:59 gabrbedd, I do not have netbook in my hand Mar 04 22:07:08 that is over there charging <<<<<<<<<<<<< Mar 04 22:07:57 so, thinking of OBS so that I can actually install on whatever meego device Mar 04 22:07:58 lcuk: right... but maybe it's in the "core" repos instead of netbook (which implies an ARM build)... Mar 04 22:08:20 gabrbedd, could you try and dig whilst I root around for different games in the public obs Mar 04 22:08:36 i wrote a game in pygame once: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/md/ Mar 04 22:08:43 it was even meant to be used on mobile devices Mar 04 22:08:47 never finished it though Mar 04 22:09:02 the ITP includes a few games Mar 04 22:09:05 like PuzzleMaster Mar 04 22:09:07 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#P Mar 04 22:09:43 scummvm Mar 04 22:09:46 is there an AppUp client for MeeGo yet? Mar 04 22:10:16 because I see theres lots of games pushed there Mar 04 22:10:24 I am not sure how they would run on the arm though Mar 04 22:10:24 lcuk: not yet Mar 04 22:10:27 fceux is a game system emulator Mar 04 22:10:46 DawnFoster1, being worked on though undoubtably? Mar 04 22:10:47 we'll have a client after some more MeeGo apps get submitted Mar 04 22:10:53 * lcuk nods Mar 04 22:10:57 lcuk: yep Mar 04 22:11:21 DawnFoster1, have you seen the stuff about DeveloperEdition, and just a slight change in stance towards a usable handset to work from Mar 04 22:11:42 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition Mar 04 22:11:42 yeah, I saw that posted on the mailing list Mar 04 22:12:28 lcuk: Found it... gnome-games, but it's a netbook-only build. Mar 04 22:13:02 gabrbedd, hrm, I heard somewhere that baseline GTK was included even in handset Mar 04 22:13:29 so perhaps they might build with minimal effort Mar 04 22:13:42 lcuk: I would think so. Mar 04 22:13:51 gnome games isn't exactly anything to write home about... Mar 04 22:14:09 My guess is that it's netbook-only simply for maintenance rather than a technical reason. Mar 04 22:14:23 ali1234, :) having a system stable enough to consider game playing is important surely Mar 04 22:14:33 ali1234: true... but better than nothing! Mar 04 22:14:47 ali1234, port your game then! Mar 04 22:14:59 what do you mean "port"? Mar 04 22:15:02 also, which one? Mar 04 22:15:06 lcuk: Also, netbook has frozen-bubble... which is a perl and SDL game. So it'll probably be easy to port, too. Mar 04 22:15:18 ali1234, the one you just posted a link to Mar 04 22:15:22 :D Mar 04 22:15:23 it's written in pygame Mar 04 22:15:28 it doesn't need porting Mar 04 22:15:32 it already runs in maemo Mar 04 22:15:36 ali1234, test it then? Mar 04 22:16:00 it's not playable Mar 04 22:16:07 it needs... finishing Mar 04 22:16:16 oh, its a hard game then! Mar 04 22:16:34 actually it needs refactoring to allow network support Mar 04 22:16:35 MeeGo is a really hard game, end of level boss prevent you from releasing updates :P Mar 04 22:16:38 or it needs AI Mar 04 22:17:00 i can't get the interest to do either Mar 04 22:17:15 i was playing this in the pub last night: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110225_121911.liqrecentsketches.scr.png Mar 04 22:17:18 i have some more unfinished games as well Mar 04 22:17:25 but they all need opengl Mar 04 22:17:31 surprisingly, the iphone and finger writing manages almost as well Mar 04 22:17:47 (we were mucking around working out how well can write on a capacitive Mar 04 22:40:13 lol gabrbedd Mar 04 22:41:54 :-) Mar 04 22:46:13 DawnFoster, a discussion underway in maemo at the moment, I brought up a memory of the new Nokia offices where qgil is, which town is he in? Mar 04 22:46:36 (my observation was based on the new buildings being in the heart of the town and integrating with the community) Mar 04 22:46:49 lcuk: embarrassed to say that I don't remember for sure Mar 04 22:46:53 heh Mar 04 22:46:58 * lcuk will look Mar 04 22:47:12 lcuk: think it was mountain view or palo alto but could be wrong Mar 04 22:47:37 yes, his twitter says Mountain View Mar 04 22:47:39 thanks Mar 04 22:47:46 now, I just have to try and find the article Mar 04 22:49:54 http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/05/nokias-new-us-hq-in-sunnyvale-california-silicon-valley/ Mar 04 22:50:08 that is enough :D Mar 04 22:57:08 oh good that was cleared up, its 6 miles between Mountain View and Palo Alto :) Mar 04 22:57:37 yay. I was right (twice) :) Mar 04 22:58:47 lol DawnFoster Mar 04 22:59:01 hitting your head must have had a positive effect! Mar 04 23:03:02 lcuk: I'm such a klutz - it's left my brain feeling foggy for 2 days. Mar 04 23:03:12 :( Mar 04 23:03:18 what did you do? Mar 04 23:03:52 was walking really fast in the cold with my head down and walked right into a sign on the sidewalk Mar 04 23:04:08 cut my head, too. Mar 04 23:04:17 was absolutely ridiculous Mar 04 23:04:25 :'( Mar 04 23:04:29 can't even blame it on alcohol - was completely sober Mar 04 23:04:40 that must not have been a very high sign either Mar 04 23:04:51 I'll live - I've a klutz my whole life - I'm used to it :) Mar 04 23:04:52 "Warning: Low sign!" Mar 04 23:04:59 no kidding! Mar 04 23:05:11 I once was riding past a bus stop filled with people Mar 04 23:05:23 on my cool BMX push bike Mar 04 23:05:35 and I managed to crack head on a tree branch Mar 04 23:05:38 and went flying off Mar 04 23:05:47 * lcuk still hears the laughter Mar 04 23:06:04 ow! and way more embarrassing when done in front of a crowd. Mar 04 23:06:06 so DawnFoster :) it happens to everyone! Mar 04 23:06:18 lcuk: riding past a school bus stop on my moutian bike I went to over take a woman on the path, next thing I know is I'm on my back looking up at her Mar 04 23:06:36 did she clothsline you? Mar 04 23:07:09 nope, not to sure how but I went head first over the handle bars and lost part of my two front teeth on the pavement Mar 04 23:07:42 I sit up to see red and white stuff on the floor :/ Mar 04 23:07:48 tasty Mar 04 23:08:50 great dentist tho, had it fixed within an hour Mar 04 23:08:57 superglue? Mar 04 23:09:04 or falsies? :P Mar 04 23:09:10 CosmoHill: Crack in the road? I hit one of those, once. Mar 04 23:09:25 dentist fixed the bike? that's nice Mar 04 23:09:30 I think we have a bit of road hiding between the potholes Mar 04 23:09:34 haha Mar 04 23:09:38 no idea, I tend to just be riding along and then looking up from the floor Mar 04 23:10:12 berndhs, thanks. Mar 04 23:10:22 I failed to keep the milk in my mouth Mar 04 23:10:22 one time my front tyre burst whist crossing a road, I fell off sideways into the middle the the road, I had to take my backpack off to sit up Mar 04 23:11:09 £40 to fix the bike, £80 to fix the laptop and a very bad mood Mar 04 23:22:50 vgrade: I am trying to build against the joggler kickstart, and i'm using the 20110125 weekly snap.... i can't seem to get anything to happen (the device is using the emgd efi bootsplash so everything is hidden, I do not see what's' going on...) Mar 04 23:25:52 xdpyinfo millimeters are off by 22% on my machine in meego Mar 04 23:30:59 has anyone had an issue after making an image with MIC, that it dumps out of SYSLINUX and just shows the boot: prompt? Mar 04 23:36:46 What is wrong about mic by you, TSCHAKeee ? Mar 04 23:43:36 TSCHAKeee, OI Mar 04 23:43:48 oi Mar 04 23:44:07 djszapi was asking about MIC since he has random issues himself Mar 04 23:44:10 i'm trying to get a custom meego going on the joggler and the archos9 Mar 04 23:44:21 and MIC had a load of new commits today Mar 04 23:44:30 wondered whether the issues might have been related Mar 04 23:44:31 i'm just running the one packaged with meego1.1 Mar 04 23:44:52 TSCHAKeee: can I ask which distribution do you use ? Mar 04 23:44:55 and what i'm getting is, syslinux isn't booting, it's just sitting at a boot: waiting for me to enter stuff Mar 04 23:45:06 I am running mic on my meego netbook Mar 04 23:45:16 MeeGo IS the building distro in this case Mar 04 23:45:24 lol Mar 04 23:45:27 ok Mar 04 23:45:46 that is a bit different story than my case :p Mar 04 23:46:14 and the packages i am adding, i've built on OBS Mar 04 23:46:20 and tested by installing onto my meego notebook Mar 05 00:20:07 TSCHAKeee, evening Mar 05 00:20:47 evening ;) Mar 05 00:21:14 Hi Sage Mar 05 00:21:22 hi Mar 05 00:22:06 if something is slow it is netbook :D Mar 05 00:22:28 * Sage has been creating images with his N280 based netbook at home ;) Mar 05 00:22:52 Sage,I'm trying Cordia tonight on your panda image Mar 05 00:23:48 Cordia? Mar 05 00:24:53 Sage http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start Mar 05 00:25:54 ah Mar 05 00:35:39 vgrade: heya Mar 05 00:35:44 TSCHAKeee: can you mount your stick in your host PC. You should have two partitions one vfat the other ext3. In the vfat partition you should have the normal efi stuff Mar 05 00:36:16 yup, i made it by making a 50M vfat and the rest ext3 Mar 05 00:36:22 making the vfat active Mar 05 00:36:30 copying the joggler-fat into it Mar 05 00:36:51 and rsync -aHx'ing a loopback mounted mic created image into the ext3 Mar 05 00:37:43 where did you get the joggler-fat from Mar 05 00:37:53 bug10738 Mar 05 00:37:55 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Mar 05 00:38:05 * TSCHAKeee chuckles Mar 05 00:38:20 ok, I think I may know what the issue is Mar 05 00:38:37 ok, i am building against 20110125 Mar 05 00:38:38 can you mount both your vfat and ext3 Mar 05 00:38:43 sure Mar 05 00:39:00 got it Mar 05 00:39:29 I think you need to adjust your grub file to point to the correct kernel name at /boot on the eext3 part Mar 05 00:39:50 grub.cfg on the vfat Mar 05 00:39:53 oh man *smack-self* Mar 05 00:39:57 good point one sec Mar 05 00:40:00 :) Mar 05 00:41:15 yup i can already tell that was it Mar 05 00:41:22 gonna fix this and boot this stick Mar 05 00:42:02 I need to go to bed now, I will be on again +7 hours, good luck Mar 05 00:42:06 vgrade: is root supposed to be sda2? Mar 05 00:42:11 vgrade: or sdb2? Mar 05 00:42:29 i'm guessing sdb2 Mar 05 00:42:42 a Mar 05 00:42:47 okay Mar 05 00:43:00 okay thanks man Mar 05 00:43:03 later Mar 05 00:43:06 night Mar 05 00:49:17 :) Mar 05 00:49:50 salut araujo Mar 05 00:50:03 hello CosmoHill Mar 05 00:50:09 how things go around here? Mar 05 00:51:19 pretty well, everyone gets on with each other and provide help when needed Mar 05 00:52:19 :D Mar 05 00:54:28 we have a selection of developers from a variety of open source projects. The biggest problem we have in a channel of this size is net splits Mar 05 01:16:27 cyas Mar 05 01:33:52 hmm Mar 05 01:34:04 I hope btrfs is more stable by the time people try actually using it with MeeGo Mar 05 01:51:42 hey guys Mar 05 01:51:49 i am having this problem when uxlaunch starts Mar 05 01:51:52 Apr 7 03:04:41 localhost gconfd (meego-2056): starting (version 2.29.0), pid 2056 user 'meego' Mar 05 01:51:54 Apr 7 03:04:41 localhost gconfd (meego-2056): Failed to load source "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.meego": Couldn't resolve address for configuration source: Can't read from or write to the XML root directory in the address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.meego" Mar 05 01:51:57 it's causing everything else related to meegotouch to fail Mar 05 01:52:01 what could the problem be? Mar 05 02:01:45 TSCHAKeee, I guess those files do actually exist? Mar 05 02:04:41 frals, :) Mar 05 02:05:07 sup? just got home ;O Mar 05 02:07:43 frals, the twitter post Mar 05 02:07:49 hope you have had a decent evening Mar 05 02:08:37 like always when i go out with vdvsx im out way too late and get way too much to drink but ye :) Mar 05 02:08:55 lcuk2: nope, it's not creating dbus files in tmp Mar 05 02:09:01 lcuk2: but i'm not doing anything special Mar 05 02:09:15 dbus is there, it's installed, it's being run, but i do not know what the hell is going on :( Mar 05 02:09:28 TSCHAKeee, the files you specified are not in /tmp Mar 05 02:09:31 is there a recent handset image that BOOTS on pinetrail? Mar 05 02:09:40 look at the error message you posted, it reference actual filepaths Mar 05 02:09:49 lcuk2: they're not there Mar 05 02:09:49 you know, the actual error itself Mar 05 02:09:57 and i do not know why Mar 05 02:10:18 this would be understandable if i were installing dbus from scratch on my own Mar 05 02:10:22 but i'm not Mar 05 02:10:43 IDK that much about how dbus needs to be installed then, sorry $ Mar 05 02:10:55 wonderful. Mar 05 02:10:58 thanks anyway. Mar 05 02:11:00 :) Mar 05 02:11:04 frals, you mean they actually server vdvsx with beer nowadays? Mar 05 02:11:06 the whole UX is failing Mar 05 02:11:17 and it's because dbus is installed incorrectly Mar 05 02:11:29 it works normally for things? Mar 05 02:11:37 what are you actually doing differently? Mar 05 02:11:49 * lcuk2 ponders another Magnum Mar 05 02:11:50 i am just installing an older handset image, because the newer handset images won't even boot Mar 05 02:12:10 specific image filename? Mar 05 02:12:24 because I have been testing handset on pinetrail a lot recently Mar 05 02:12:32 and it only broke specifically on 0228 Mar 05 02:12:39 is handset fucked up THIS badly? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.0.20110125.3/ Mar 05 02:12:47 that's what I am building from Mar 05 02:14:23 damn my logs only go back 2 weeks Mar 05 02:14:40 which one should i build against? Mar 05 02:15:41 ok, to verify something Mar 05 02:15:50 (specifically because I have a screenshot) Mar 05 02:15:58 I will have created image for: meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.90.4.20110217.87-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 Mar 05 02:16:11 and used it to at least take this screenshot http://liqbase.net/liq.meego.handset.on.x200s.20110221_001.jpg Mar 05 02:16:31 so at very least it boots Mar 05 02:16:35 and gets to ux Mar 05 02:16:40 I know scale is wrong Mar 05 02:16:44 but different issue Mar 05 02:16:52 I have other later images which also happily boot Mar 05 02:16:58 but I did not get a screenshot of those Mar 05 02:17:05 use the qa-tools testing grid also Mar 05 02:17:08 * lcuk2 finds a link Mar 05 02:17:44 http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset Mar 05 02:17:56 but, meh -> Magnum time Mar 05 02:18:26 are there any "N900 developer edition" images or is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition just an announcement ... seems like it links to the regular images Mar 05 02:18:47 npm, there is the bug of where to put slight custom images Mar 05 02:18:55 which afaik needs resolving first Mar 05 02:19:06 but it will not be that much different from standard Mar 05 02:19:27 oh. ok i'll wait. Mar 05 02:19:29 just concentrating on making it functional for developers to use as a real device Mar 05 02:19:55 npm, I expect on Monday more work will be done :) Mar 05 02:20:07 and we should see some movement on it Mar 05 02:20:08 very good idea to "eat the dogfood" and not just serve it :-) Mar 05 02:20:21 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 02:59:56 2011