**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 02:59:57 2011 Mar 06 09:37:40 TSCHAKeee, screenshot? Mar 06 09:51:30 zalbisser_, Hi Mar 06 10:46:11 wathek: Monday, not Sunday Mar 06 10:46:29 thiago, lol zalbisser_ and ddenis works for Nokia ? Mar 06 10:46:37 yes Mar 06 10:47:01 ah ! thiago I dunno but I think that the QGesture and QGestureRecognizer parts are not well documented Mar 06 10:47:04 am I wrong ? Mar 06 10:47:28 I don't know. I've never read the docs nor tried to use them. Mar 06 10:47:38 thiago, huh ? how do you do ? Mar 06 10:47:52 how do I do what? Mar 06 10:48:00 thiago, without docs Mar 06 10:48:05 thiago, you read the code ? Mar 06 10:48:13 usually, yes Mar 06 10:48:28 thiago, I see ;) Mar 06 10:50:14 in most cases, the code completion from Qt Creator is enough Mar 06 12:30:33 anyone here familiar w/ gitorious? Mar 06 12:37:12 to what degree timeless_w7ip - many people use it Mar 06 12:41:13 does connman use different d-bus notification than network manager? Mar 06 12:41:29 my evolution "thinks" I'm always offline Mar 06 12:41:51 smoku: i thought there was a stamdard for this Mar 06 12:42:29 freedesktop.org one or something Mar 06 12:43:04 same here... Mar 06 12:43:20 but evolution worked fine on 1.1 but not on 1.2 Mar 06 12:43:37 might be a bug then Mar 06 14:27:35 wah, my cron reports are being marked as spam Mar 06 15:13:03 ppl, at the meego.com I found out that I need to ask in IRC in order to get an OBS account. However, I guess that's not a public OBS, but intended for the core developers. Are there any public OBS so I can try to build with it my apps, and prepare ports of FLOSS software? Mar 06 15:13:48 build.pub.meego.com Mar 06 15:15:19 norayr: build.pub.meego.com is currently ask-to-get but you generally get it if you want to make floss :) build.meego.com is for core committers Mar 06 15:15:26 which you need to use bugzilla for Mar 06 15:26:27 * alterego wonders how to imitate ofono on a desktop machine Mar 06 15:33:40 Stskeeps: okay, how do I get a decent build.pub.meego.com account ? Mar 06 15:34:45 norayr, ping lbt Mar 06 15:37:47 lbt: cannot register account at build.pub.meego.com Mar 06 15:37:50 lbt: OBS Web Interface Error:Error Details:Errorcode: unknown Mar 06 15:37:51 Message: undefined method `create' for nil:NilClass Mar 06 15:37:59 thiago, I'm reading the source of QGesture and QGestureRecognizer I don't understand what's the d_func() Mar 06 15:38:10 thiago, it seems that it's a QObject function Mar 06 15:40:54 norayr, you need to use your meego.com account Mar 06 15:41:20 norayr, all meego services are integrated to use single user/pass Mar 06 15:41:54 okay, thanks :) Mar 06 15:42:55 norayr, but you need to ping lbt to give your account rights to use community obs Mar 06 15:43:57 smoku: I see, because it does not let me to login Mar 06 15:59:26 http://informatiq-help.blogspot.com/ Mar 06 16:31:56 key kaspersky http://informatiq-help.blogspot.com/2011/03/kaspersky-lab.html Mar 06 16:32:19 mmm, spam Mar 06 16:40:03 wathek: d_func() returns the private class Mar 06 16:40:18 thiago, ah ! ok thank you so much ! Mar 06 16:40:31 e.g.: QObjectPrivate *d_func() { return reinterpret_cast(d_ptr); } Mar 06 16:53:35 thiago, I see thank you so much Mar 06 17:26:34 is it a known problem with SDL, that in fullscreen mode the touchscreen does not work? Mar 06 17:27:01 it registers clicks, but does not move the mouse cursor Mar 06 17:50:00 how would you do to recognize a circle gesture ? Mar 06 17:53:20 wathek, clockwise or anti clockwise? Mar 06 17:54:00 lcuk, let say clockwise Mar 06 17:54:24 at which level of the OS? Mar 06 17:54:38 lcuk, C++/Qt my application let say Mar 06 17:55:25 afaik, this should give you some hints http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/gestures-overview.html Mar 06 18:01:05 lcuk, ok thank you but that link doesn't help Mar 06 18:01:05 :( Mar 06 18:01:40 wathek, which part does not fit with "I want to make my qt app recognise gestures -> here is the gesture overview/documentation for qt" Mar 06 18:02:29 lcuk, my problem is how to tell my application how to recognize a circle Mar 06 18:03:15 "To create a new recognizer, you need to subclass QGestureRecognizer to create a custom recognizer class. There is one virtual function that you must reimplement and two others that can be reimplemented as required." Mar 06 18:04:39 ali1234, the problem isn't how to create Mar 06 18:04:48 ali1234: perhaps what wathek is looking for is how to recoginze motion, and how to recoginze that the motion is a circle Mar 06 18:05:00 that's that Mar 06 18:05:39 well approaches to actually recognising different gestures based on strokes may take numerous paths Mar 06 18:06:12 but the same principles have been thought about and implemented for the other gesture classes (for pinch and swipe etc) Mar 06 18:06:35 and numerous programs over the years have implemented different ways to work out gestures Mar 06 18:06:49 * lcuk uses a grid approach personally Mar 06 18:07:08 * CosmoHill giggles Mar 06 18:07:25 lcuk: yes there is even archeological evidence that it has been done :) Mar 06 18:07:46 take a grid based on the entire stroke area so far, mark it into a grid, assign letters to each grid reference, then build a string of all the grid elements the stroke passes through Mar 06 18:07:49 in 6 lines of code I buggered safari, this is of course beaten by turning popup blocker back on Mar 06 18:08:28 berndhs, yes, historically, gestures are even recognisable in ASCII Mar 06 18:08:31 .|.. Mar 06 18:09:00 but anyway, pork roast is actually ready Mar 06 18:09:03 * lcuk runs away Mar 06 18:10:05 * alterego is having port stir fry with noodles :) Mar 06 18:10:09 s/port/pork Mar 06 18:10:42 how does one turn on error messages in qml javascript ? Mar 06 18:11:29 there is an option for qmlviewer, and i think an environmental variable Mar 06 18:12:36 i'm not using qmlviewer :) Mar 06 18:13:18 then use the environment variable Mar 06 18:13:31 is anyone attempting to hack around with the tablet ux/use stuff from its repos? Mar 06 18:13:49 any idea which environment variable ? Mar 06 18:14:32 QML_IMPORT_TRACE Mar 06 18:14:39 thank you Mar 06 18:15:58 TSCHAKeee: i had a go, the code is not very friendly for modifications Mar 06 18:16:14 ali1234: how bad? Mar 06 18:16:25 well it's not deliberately obfuscated Mar 06 18:16:42 it's just like... they hacked it together in 5 minutes... you know? Mar 06 18:17:10 so changing things has unexpected results/consequences all over the place Mar 06 18:17:23 anyway it is very easy to get started on hacking it Mar 06 18:17:30 it's just difficult to do anything useful Mar 06 18:17:36 so check it out for yourself Mar 06 18:21:27 Annoyingly the favorite flag doesn't seem to work in QtMobility Mar 06 18:21:57 For contacts that is ;) Mar 06 18:25:04 Time to investigate me thinks Mar 06 18:26:53 ali1234: they were able to make a demo that looks good in 5 minutes... Mar 06 18:27:12 ali1234: yet the handset people can't seem to do that after ... more than a year? :/ Mar 06 18:27:24 i'm having debian flashbacks. Mar 06 18:28:22 2 Mar 06 18:31:45 No one asked them to do a demo? :P Mar 06 18:33:22 seriously, what is with all the regressions in meegotouch?... it doesn't look like it's moved very far at all Mar 06 18:34:14 It's being removed anyway Mar 06 18:34:26 TSCHAKeee, there have been some big movements in other places too Mar 06 18:34:26 What regression/s are you talking about specificall now? Mar 06 18:35:32 alterego: silly things like orange in the background of meegotouch menus, the whole mcompositor stack crashing when i try to switch applications. Mar 06 18:36:02 I just want a touch stack I can stably build on Mar 06 18:36:10 now it looks like i will have to roll my own from scratch with Qt Quick Mar 06 18:36:17 or whatever you guys are calling it this week Mar 06 18:36:24 It's QtQuick/QML Mar 06 18:36:33 QML is specifically the ecma style language. Mar 06 18:36:35 yes Mar 06 18:36:38 QtQuick is the whoe framework Mar 06 18:36:41 i am aware of it. Mar 06 18:36:51 i'm making a rather poignant point that the ground has shifted, several times Mar 06 18:37:00 doesn't the qt quick allready include qml Mar 06 18:37:05 yes Mar 06 18:37:15 as a definition Mar 06 18:37:17 this is absolutely ridiculous Mar 06 18:37:24 I think ground shifting is better now than later when there are real devices :P Mar 06 18:37:34 how is a hardware vendor supposed to deal with this? Mar 06 18:37:42 at this rate, they'll just use MeeGo Core Mar 06 18:37:43 And MTF should have never existed Mar 06 18:37:43 don't worry, we'll soon move to the meego webruntime ;P Mar 06 18:38:03 and as a researcher, I'm trying to build real products, on no budget Mar 06 18:38:28 and while I love MeeGo's assembling method (mic2) Mar 06 18:38:33 * thiago can only say "I understand" Mar 06 18:38:44 i can't seem to get a stable platform to start. Mar 06 18:38:50 ok, i'm done venting Mar 06 18:38:54 i am sorry. Mar 06 18:39:04 i've been where you guys are, and I understand too Mar 06 18:40:11 (and I'm rather mad you guys removed XFCE) Mar 06 18:40:30 still in the repos .. Mar 06 18:41:04 no, it's not, i looked. Mar 06 18:42:20 Oh well . Mar 06 18:43:54 TSCHAKeee, evening, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/auke%3a/ Mar 06 18:44:33 thank you Mar 06 18:44:45 i just need SOMETHING lightweight to build off of, that is NETWM compliant Mar 06 18:45:02 that doesn't try to futz with the windows (Orbiter handles all this itself) Mar 06 18:45:15 while it works just fine on netbook Mar 06 18:45:43 it shifts downward on the joggler the width of the toolbar Mar 06 18:46:09 i was able to make the toolbar go away, but it still persists Mar 06 18:46:24 and i couldn't get handset to behave well enough to run orbiter in the first place. Mar 06 18:46:34 TSCHAKeee, same ux on netbook and joggler? Mar 06 18:46:41 vgrade: yup, netbook Mar 06 18:47:08 which i will have to abandon anyway, because even minimal install ,is too big for the 1GB emmc on the joggler Mar 06 18:48:07 TSCHAKeee, even with a compressed fs? Mar 06 18:48:12 vgrade: I also tried running cordia on the joggler.. looks okay for about 2 seconds...then when I press the menu button, massive corruption. Mar 06 18:48:39 vgrade: i could do it with compressed fs, but would rather not do that if i can help it... i will do it if i have to though. Mar 06 18:49:05 Sounds like you need a custom ks file to weed out all the bloat Mar 06 18:49:09 yup Mar 06 18:49:12 And generate your own image Mar 06 18:49:14 and as soon as i get what i want Mar 06 18:49:20 i will start dashing out what i don't need Mar 06 18:49:24 i already am doing that Mar 06 18:49:29 Cool Mar 06 18:49:46 i need something with a wifi app and a virtual keyboard that works Mar 06 18:49:53 looks like i will have to write both Mar 06 18:50:23 i did see the fabled MTF virtual keyboard on the 20110221 weekly of handset Mar 06 18:50:29 but it corrupted the rest of my display in the process Mar 06 18:50:50 #(@%@#( emgd Mar 06 18:53:49 TSCHAKeee, EMGD works better now than it did previously Mar 06 18:53:57 yes it does Mar 06 18:54:06 has anyone tried VA API? Mar 06 18:54:09 and vgrade has had afaik handset and tablet builds both on the joggler Mar 06 18:55:01 i know Mar 06 18:55:45 I have two devices here that are Z series atoms, that...golly gee, i would love to be able to build my software for. ;) Mar 06 18:56:26 why can't you?> Mar 06 18:56:43 since your app is almost a WM itself, can you not just run it on x11? Mar 06 18:56:51 or are there specific requirements Mar 06 18:57:07 He needs NETWM compliance apparently, so he probably runs other apps. Mar 06 18:57:20 yup Mar 06 18:57:24 Or needs to, I imagine he has some launcher functionality. Mar 06 18:57:24 well that makes sense of course Mar 06 18:57:28 such as media players, a sip phone Mar 06 18:57:33 Right Mar 06 18:57:35 it's all transparent Mar 06 18:57:46 but orbiter needs to order stuff at the right time Mar 06 18:57:56 there are many apps required for a full system Mar 06 18:58:23 how does netbook biuld run on joggler? Mar 06 18:58:27 since it is x86 Mar 06 18:58:37 when we started writing this system, a lot of stuff that most people take for granted now on F/OSS systems simply didn't exist.. so we had to invent a lot of stuff. Mar 06 18:58:46 lcuk: it runs well, but the lack of a virtual keyboard makes it a pain. Mar 06 18:59:59 and I suspect mutter behaviour has changed recently Mar 06 19:00:35 because even with my app requesting full screen, and setting every WM hint in the book to "LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!" Mar 06 19:00:39 the toolbar remains Mar 06 19:01:08 i removed the myzone and other toolbar bits, the toolbar, disappeared... Mar 06 19:01:20 hm Mar 06 19:01:26 the toolbar should remain Mar 06 19:01:26 but it still has an offset where the toolbar was Mar 06 19:01:29 it is part of the OS Mar 06 19:01:37 but its visibility vanishes Mar 06 19:01:40 it's part of mutter...yeah. Mar 06 19:01:43 yes, Mar 06 19:01:45 that's what I meant Mar 06 19:01:55 so you can get fullscreen windows happily Mar 06 19:02:05 * lcuk does not see problem Mar 06 19:04:15 TSCHAKeee: well, they didn't actually write it in 5 minutes... the concept has been around since last june... it's just that the code looks that way :) Mar 06 19:04:44 Hello Mar 06 19:05:52 Is there someone? Mar 06 19:05:54 no Mar 06 19:05:58 :-) Mar 06 19:06:01 Funny Mar 06 19:06:08 I have some questions Mar 06 19:06:14 i m a n900 user, Mar 06 19:06:31 right now , i m on my laptop ( debian ) Mar 06 19:06:34 anyway Mar 06 19:07:00 i want to know when somecompany will release a mobile with meego Mar 06 19:07:12 rofl Mar 06 19:07:25 lbt: o/ Mar 06 19:07:28 you'll know when they announce it Mar 06 19:07:30 hey timoph Mar 06 19:07:34 lbt: \o/ Mar 06 19:07:37 if no one will release one, i will be obligated to purchase a new n900 ( as my next mobile) Mar 06 19:07:57 just trying to get my body back to UK time :) Mar 06 19:08:02 n950 Mar 06 19:08:13 they announced it, but do you still trust nokia? Mar 06 19:08:25 Xcore: yep... sanest option .... and "no" Mar 06 19:08:26 no one announced an N950 Mar 06 19:08:36 they did Mar 06 19:08:42 are u reading news Mar 06 19:08:48 link on nokia.com ? Mar 06 19:08:57 thiago, nokia announced the n950 with meego Mar 06 19:08:59 * lbt waits for thiago to say "didn't" Mar 06 19:09:03 wait thiago Mar 06 19:09:32 Xcore, no one of the Nokia executives said there is a device. that is not the same as a product announcement. Mar 06 19:09:40 Okay, so this goes right down to Qt Mobility, not specificall the QML bindings, that's a bit more of a relief :) Mar 06 19:09:42 there will be a device Mar 06 19:09:42 lbt: did you talk at somepoint about starting openmeego etc.? Mar 06 19:09:45 * alterego submits a bug report Mar 06 19:09:53 they certainly have not confirmed it is a phone, not even unnofficially Mar 06 19:09:55 \o lbt Mar 06 19:09:55 but it's not announced, nor is its name publish Mar 06 19:10:00 lbt: referring to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003731.html Mar 06 19:10:00 http://news.google.fr/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNE1Jx45L6Mr53JNsDILAbPsFlXcIQ&did=2361090fed9b466d&cid=17593868010411&ei=s9tzTbj8CNzKjAf3sN60Aw&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsden.net%2Fmeego-powered-nokia-n9-will-be-replaced-by-n950-6982%2F Mar 06 19:10:04 timoph: no - we were all locked in a room doing meego.com rebuilds Mar 06 19:10:13 :) Mar 06 19:10:14 Xcore: can you please post the link to the news announced on a nokia.com PR page? Mar 06 19:10:36 http://twc.tc/?a=ebahoze ( short url ) Mar 06 19:10:38 * thiago points out that there was also no device announced as N9 Mar 06 19:11:01 Xcore: what's that webpage? Mar 06 19:11:07 timoph: that was all part of the pre-ex-nokia TSG planning Mar 06 19:11:07 with keybord Mar 06 19:11:11 Where should I file Qt Mobility bugs? Mar 06 19:11:11 twitter cash? Mar 06 19:11:14 keyboard Mar 06 19:11:21 thiago, Mar 06 19:11:24 click on the link Mar 06 19:11:26 Xcore: no Mar 06 19:11:30 it doesn't redirect to nokia.com Mar 06 19:11:30 this is a short url Mar 06 19:11:39 here is the big url Mar 06 19:11:39 http://www.newsden.net/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-be-replaced-by-n950-6982/ Mar 06 19:11:43 that's not nokia.com Mar 06 19:11:52 ur want the link from nokia? Mar 06 19:11:54 yes Mar 06 19:11:57 wait Mar 06 19:12:10 alterego: bugreports.qt.nokia.com Mar 06 19:13:45 Xcore: you do realise I sent you on an impossible mission, right? Mar 06 19:13:56 would be funny if he found it Mar 06 19:14:13 yes Mar 06 19:14:14 u did Mar 06 19:14:17 it was only Rich Green blabbing Mar 06 19:14:18 but wait please Mar 06 19:14:32 if i found a tweet Mar 06 19:14:38 * dm8tbr gets moar popcorn Mar 06 19:14:39 on their twitter Mar 06 19:14:41 is it ok Mar 06 19:14:41 ? Mar 06 19:14:55 whose twitter? Mar 06 19:15:05 nokia's twitter Mar 06 19:15:05 Xcore: it's highly likely that the next nokia phone will be a decent base for meego. The N900 already is. Mar 06 19:15:11 what more do you need? Mar 06 19:15:26 do u have installed meego on ur n900? Mar 06 19:15:30 The one after that... not so much. Mar 06 19:15:31 Xcore: let me put it this way: I work for Nokia. If a device were announced, I'd know. Mar 06 19:15:37 maybe n900 has not enough ram for meego Mar 06 19:15:45 confirmation that it is actually a phone, and not a tablet, netbook, stb, or any of the other possible meego related devices that nokia have made in the past Mar 06 19:15:47 the only thing that was announced is that there will be a device Mar 06 19:15:50 details are not known Mar 06 19:16:11 i see Mar 06 19:16:21 i want to develop for meego Mar 06 19:16:25 qt Mar 06 19:16:30 unless Rich Green counts as announcement Mar 06 19:16:39 but Mar 06 19:16:40 Xcore: there are dev builds for the n900 now Mar 06 19:17:03 i don't think the problem is a technical one ie lack of a development platform Mar 06 19:17:11 QT Mar 06 19:17:22 Xcore: Qt Mar 06 19:17:23 the question developers have is "is this a gigantic waste of my time?" Mar 06 19:17:41 yes, that s one of my questions Mar 06 19:17:51 we obviously don't think it is Mar 06 19:17:53 does it worth Mar 06 19:17:56 ok Mar 06 19:18:12 so you are still optimistic Mar 06 19:18:46 yes Mar 06 19:19:04 I'm devoting 100% of my work time, plus a considerable part of my private time, to ensuring that Mar 06 19:19:09 * ljp still works on meego Mar 06 19:19:45 tell nokia that we need a double sim Mar 06 19:19:51 lol no Mar 06 19:19:52 on their next mobile Mar 06 19:20:06 Xcore: get 2 phones :) Mar 06 19:20:16 Xcore: I'm pretty sure that's planned Mar 06 19:20:16 i don't understand the whole double sim thing Mar 06 19:20:17 i hav e 2 already Mar 06 19:20:24 what if someone calls you on the sim you are not currently using? Mar 06 19:20:25 thanks thiago Mar 06 19:20:38 ali1234: it's for people who can get advantageous plans with 2 SIMs Mar 06 19:20:39 u can get call on both sims Mar 06 19:20:49 like "free 500 minutes to call someone on the same network" Mar 06 19:20:53 samsung has a quadruple sim mobile Mar 06 19:20:53 i have never seen a dual sim phone that lets you use both sims at the same time Mar 06 19:21:01 * thiago has 2 SIMs for the same phone line Mar 06 19:21:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgx7JMoIjIc - Bos Wars on MeeGo Mar 06 19:21:06 the only ones i have seen, you have to reboot the phone to switch sim Mar 06 19:21:54 that s not funny ali1234 Mar 06 19:22:18 there are some china-made phones with dual sim slots Mar 06 19:22:38 I saw one that looked like a Nokia E71 and even had written the name on it Mar 06 19:22:43 this meego table is a packard bell? Mar 06 19:22:46 with different software, of course Mar 06 19:22:53 tablet Mar 06 19:22:59 bos wars Mar 06 19:24:36 smoku, please specify which build you post links for, we know it is possible to run more apps on the big tablets and stuff, however there is a certain art in making same apps run well on handheld! Mar 06 19:25:15 lcuk, this is ported from N900 ;P Mar 06 19:25:32 does it run on my meego n900? Mar 06 19:25:36 well... it was ported for N900, and now just repackaged Mar 06 19:27:09 Mobile Business Briefing blog report, who has mentioned that Nokia has increased salary and bonuses for the developers and engineers, who are working in the MeeGo area in order to maintain progress on the first MeeGo Smartphone, dubbed the N950. Mar 06 19:27:22 Thiago, can you confirm this ? Mar 06 19:27:43 increase of salary and bonuses Mar 06 19:27:45 * thiago will not confirm or deny Mar 06 19:27:46 Thiago works on Qt, just so you know. This does not concern him. Mar 06 19:27:50 Xcore: I thought you wanted to develop for meego ? Mar 06 19:27:52 increase salary and bonuses? ha. good one Mar 06 19:28:01 yes Mar 06 19:28:07 yes i want Mar 06 19:28:17 but i want to be sure i m not wasting my time Mar 06 19:28:21 Xcore: this is OT for #meego.... please go bother some nokia forum instead :) Mar 06 19:28:40 Xcore: you won't get an unbiased answer here anyway Mar 06 19:28:47 Xcore: rumours in #meego-bar please, Intel seems to be pushing MeeGo quite hard and Nokia is just one player in MeeGo Mar 06 19:29:16 as far as i know, there r only intel, amd and nokia Mar 06 19:29:25 hi Stskeeps... missed your moo earlier (or yesterday) Mar 06 19:29:48 Xcore: well, there's more than that if you look closer :) Mar 06 19:30:22 Super Mar 06 19:30:27 happy to hear that Mar 06 19:31:28 * TSCHAKeee senses Xcore is yet another troll. Mar 06 20:00:01 TSCHAKeee, re VA API, see this latest commit, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-March/017687.html Mar 06 20:10:49 lcuk, alterego, I noticed this while looking at the widelands video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS2EliYNO8M&feature=related Mar 06 20:11:28 heh Mar 06 20:13:24 Hah Mar 06 20:13:36 So I don't need to do it then, presumably :P Mar 06 20:13:45 alterego, since now we can have comparison - video please Mar 06 20:14:45 I'm not sure I would have the patience to use it Mar 06 20:15:11 Heh Mar 06 20:15:12 vgrade, not everything is for use! it is the ambience. Mar 06 20:15:43 question, why use 999 as the emergency phone number when it takes longest to dial? Mar 06 20:16:12 Hahah Mar 06 20:16:21 Well, in ye' ole days Mar 06 20:16:27 You'd get an operator anyway. Mar 06 20:16:57 vgrade, ensuring it was not accidental was what I recall Mar 06 20:17:10 bakelite theme would suite the rest of the device Mar 06 20:17:24 Hello all! Anyone already tried to port Exult (Ultima VII engine) from Maemo to MeeGo? Mar 06 20:17:24 Yeah, prank calls were well low too. Mar 06 20:17:35 You needed to be commited to call them Mar 06 20:17:35 it's one of the best things on N900 Mar 06 20:17:58 the dial distance and speed of spring back was required Mar 06 20:18:00 and self regularing Mar 06 20:18:03 And I think there was a emergency button, or operator button that you could press too. Mar 06 20:18:08 since telephones sent the pip things Mar 06 20:18:18 wikipedia says it was easy to implement as free on the payphones in the 30s Mar 06 20:18:19 Yeah, pulse dialing Mar 06 20:19:11 hey Robot101 \o you mean the emergency number stuff? Mar 06 20:20:03 yes Mar 06 20:20:29 cool Mar 06 20:20:39 * lcuk makes a note for when time travelling Mar 06 20:24:05 Robot101, I understand all this sort of logic regarding numbers has to be implemented inside proper dialer component. Mar 06 20:24:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers Mar 06 20:24:29 so many combinations! Mar 06 20:33:12 gibraltar has 3 different emergency numbers Mar 06 20:45:52 lcuk: the SIM has a list of emergency numbers Mar 06 20:46:56 its basically about identifying when emergency calls are going on as early as possible, and ensuring eg the best battery life, stopping everything else running, protecting the key parts from the OOM killer, etc Mar 06 20:47:40 emergency call has to work even without sim for my understanding Mar 06 20:47:51 but, the network tells you after connecting a call that it's an emergency call - so knowing the numbers is just for allowing them to be dialed from the lock screen, and detecting /sooner/ that it's an emergency call Mar 06 20:48:09 there's also a hardcoded list of numbers which is used as well as the SIM list Mar 06 20:48:23 yep Mar 06 20:49:11 Robot101, a whole lot of small sensible steps Mar 06 20:53:35 whilst on this kind of topic, something everyone should fill in on their phones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_case_of_emergency Mar 06 20:54:16 in Brazil, people do the opposite Mar 06 20:54:29 you won't find such a number, nor will you find "dad", "mom" or "home" Mar 06 20:56:01 thiago, do you know the reason? Mar 06 20:56:09 yeah Mar 06 20:56:23 pretend-kidnappings Mar 06 20:56:23 Robot101, the ICE stuff originated in Cambridge according to the links :) Mar 06 20:56:32 eep Mar 06 20:56:46 lcuk: to me it doesn't work because all my phones have auto keylocks Mar 06 20:56:47 stolen phones, then the robbers call the family and demand money Mar 06 20:57:01 since the other person has lost their phone, they cannot be contacted Mar 06 20:57:13 Robot101, it says in the article that phone manufacturers are now allowing a slight way around this Mar 06 20:57:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_case_of_emergency#Locked_phones Mar 06 21:07:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_case_of_emergency Mar 06 21:07:26 lcuk: oh you bitch Mar 06 21:10:56 CosmoHill, of course Mar 06 21:25:23 is there support for external USB DACs in MeeGo? Mar 06 21:25:38 and also USB OTG support please? :) Mar 06 21:26:40 valianholt: are these devices supported by linux? Mar 06 21:26:57 yes, I suppose by kernel Mar 06 21:26:59 eg. uDAC Mar 06 21:27:41 http://www.blinkenlights.ch/ccms/misc/nuforce_udac.html Mar 06 21:28:06 i think the easiest way to find out would be to boot meego and plug it in Mar 06 21:28:36 but possible to try with N900? Mar 06 21:28:58 I'm not sure where you can plug in a USB DAC on a N900 Mar 06 21:28:59 lcuk; to more than that extent Mar 06 21:29:06 there is partial USB HOST support for N900 if the device is not above 100 mA Mar 06 21:29:18 but I am not sure how about USB host on N900 with MeeGo Mar 06 21:29:20