**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 11 02:59:57 2011 Mar 11 03:03:37 hello everyone Mar 11 03:04:03 does anyone know anything about running gtk+ 2.x on meego 1.1? Mar 11 03:04:35 tried installing it from source but after installing glib 2.28 it still tells me that i have glib 2.24 Mar 11 03:08:57 apostol: zypper install gtk2 Mar 11 03:09:00 :-) Mar 11 03:09:32 gtk2 is included in MeeGo core, and 1.1 has version 2.20.1 Mar 11 03:09:39 and is that going to work with openCV? Mar 11 03:10:12 apostol: You asked about gtk+ 2.x -- and MeeGo already has it. Mar 11 03:10:18 So... what's the question again? Mar 11 03:10:23 ok Mar 11 03:10:32 I'm trying to get face authentication running on meego Mar 11 03:10:41 the pam-face-authentication thing Mar 11 03:10:57 it relies on openCV and Qt as far as I can tell Mar 11 03:11:22 managed to install it, but when I ran the configuration thing, when it's supposed to calibrate the webcam it crashes Mar 11 03:11:54 and it says it needs to be recompiled with gtk+ 2.x or carbon Mar 11 03:12:07 I compiled it with make Mar 11 03:12:16 would compiling it with cmake make any difference? Mar 11 03:12:34 apostol: Are you on ARM? 'cos OpenCV is already in MeeGo... but looks like there's no pkg for arm. Mar 11 03:12:51 i'm running the netbook version Mar 11 03:14:00 Ok, well... OpenCV is already in the repo. Is that the one giving you trouble... or are you building your own? Mar 11 03:14:27 i know i can install openCV with zypper Mar 11 03:14:52 however the pam-face-auth needs libcv-dev and libcvaux-dev Mar 11 03:15:18 and i got those only after building openCV from source Mar 11 03:15:29 Are they not provided by the OpenCV-devel package? Mar 11 03:16:07 let me check Mar 11 03:17:10 yes they are Mar 11 03:17:11 :) Mar 11 03:17:13 thanks Mar 11 03:17:54 Cool! :-) Mar 11 03:18:11 i'll try and install that again and let you know how that works Mar 11 03:18:12 :) Mar 11 03:32:52 ok i have a new one Mar 11 03:33:03 when i run cmake it tells me that it can't find QtCore header Mar 11 03:33:13 looked in zypper se Mar 11 03:33:23 libqtcore4 - Qt core module is installed Mar 11 03:35:21 you want the qt devel package for headers Mar 11 03:37:23 sweet :) Mar 11 03:38:34 wow Mar 11 03:38:35 :) Mar 11 03:38:39 got it installed Mar 11 03:38:55 last time i spent 4 hours compiling the qt4 libraries Mar 11 03:41:00 berndhs: do you know how to get checkinstall on meego? Mar 11 03:41:24 never heard of it, sorry :) Mar 11 03:55:06 apostol: Instead of checkinstall, I usually use a sandboxed prefix, e.g. ./configure --prefix=$HOME/prefix Mar 11 03:55:29 apostol: Then I add $HOME/prefix/bin to my PATH, and $HOME/prefix/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH Mar 11 03:55:47 Then when I want to uninstall... it's just `rm -rf ~/prefix` Mar 11 03:57:07 That's not not be down on checkinstall... just a pretty portable alternative. :-) Mar 11 05:38:39 good morning Mar 11 05:39:00 morning Mar 11 07:10:26 Hi All, Mar 11 07:10:36 i have QtCreator 2.0.1 based on Qt4.7.0. Mar 11 07:10:43 (12:27:06 IST) kalinga: Mar 11 07:10:54 and working on meego dev activities Mar 11 07:11:07 while Configuring Qt Creator to use the MeeGo toolchain(s) i choose qmake location as Mar 11 07:11:18 /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/targets/meego-handset-ia32-1.1.2/bin/qmake Mar 11 07:11:27 it in the settings window its showing "using mkspec linux-g++ (Desktop)" Mar 11 07:11:35 where as in wiki.meego page it shows using "mkspec linux-g++ (Meego)" Mar 11 07:11:48 any one has any idea about it Mar 11 07:50:59 ehlo all :) Mar 11 07:54:20 @wazd Hello Mar 11 08:25:18 What happens here people joining and quiting...no discussion :-D Mar 11 08:25:45 it's the time of day Mar 11 08:26:00 you can take the time to write a session proposal for the MeeGo Conference Mar 11 08:30:29 its not ipad2 but I'm happy with it, tegra2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCmCcK_OKw Mar 11 08:34:47 vgrade: looks like software only? Mar 11 08:37:06 TSCHAKeee, yup softwre only until nVidia give us some drivers Mar 11 08:37:47 TSCHAKeee, does Orbiter run on ARM? Mar 11 08:38:28 vgrade: i spent most of the night building nfs-utils, autofs, samba client, and nbd packages, so LinuxMCE's storage layer would work on meego.. (%#@('k me :P Mar 11 08:47:25 Qt Creator Tools > Options > Projects > Mar 11 08:47:31 MeeGo Device Configurations.is NOT THERE Mar 11 08:48:02 then how to see the output in QEMU?? Mar 11 08:48:23 please suggest..me what is going wrong Mar 11 08:49:12 I want to build the application in Qt Creator and launch it in QEMU Mar 11 08:54:37 Mar 11 08:54:42 Hello Mar 11 08:55:20 Hi TSCHAKeee Mar 11 10:37:10 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481890.html Mar 11 10:38:21 long thread Mar 11 10:40:38 Aha, they are severely restricting Tracker usage Mar 11 10:41:02 Tracker will not be used for email and contacts data Mar 11 10:41:28 Here go megalomaniacal plans of the cenrtalized data storage... Mar 11 10:42:52 ....and here go pissed off Tracker developers... Mar 11 10:45:36 ...and more pissed off Tracker developers... Mar 11 11:16:07 Hi can anyone tell me where I can download libva1.0.10 for meego? Mar 11 11:16:21 I'm using 1.1 currently and only has up to 1.0.3 on zyper Mar 11 11:16:27 zypper* Mar 11 11:18:55 anyone? Mar 11 11:19:07 Libva1.0.10...where can i get it/ Mar 11 11:19:09 ? Mar 11 11:33:04 while setting the QT version info and re-building debugging helpers i get below errors Mar 11 11:33:20 http://pastebin.com/hZZvBCyq Mar 11 11:33:28 can someone help Mar 11 11:35:56 Hi all I got a problem I cannot see how my QGesture class got its state changed it's always equal to 0 here's my code http://pastebin.com/j8LGi9iX Mar 11 11:58:12 hello Mar 11 11:58:19 question: fremantle supposed to work from meego madde ? Mar 11 12:02:23 it's appear on 'mad-admin list' but that can't install Mar 11 12:29:05 on the public meego OBS, in the targets there are no packages. I'd like to rebuild a package from the official meego OBS by doing a link is that possible? Mar 11 12:30:43 arfoll: yes, osc branch MeeGo.com:Trunk package Mar 11 12:31:12 Stskeeps, ok so the link will work like that but i can't see the packages in the OBS interface? Mar 11 12:31:45 arfoll: right Mar 11 12:31:57 arfoll: osc ls MeeGo.com:Trunk Mar 11 12:32:10 Stskeeps, ok thanks Mar 11 12:32:39 another question, can I branch the same revision package as is available on my targets Mar 11 12:33:01 not sure Mar 11 12:33:06 basically if I rebuild gstreamer for meego 1.0 can i use the same version as meego 1.0 and then when building for meego 1.1 the same but still keep only one diff file? Mar 11 13:48:49 hi, know somebody why native meego installation isn't supported with the current release? Mar 11 13:49:55 what native installation? Mar 11 13:50:29 not on mmc on nokia n900 Mar 11 13:50:40 sry i forgot thats not the n900 channel Mar 11 13:51:04 image is bigger than internal flash memory Mar 11 13:51:36 oh Mar 11 13:51:38 no Mar 11 13:52:02 thx Mar 11 13:53:53 teoriacally you can install it to emmc but emmc flash after meego installation is hard and mmc cards are cheap Mar 11 14:14:38 mmmh. it seems that not only the kernel is on internal flash on the n900. right kallam? Mar 11 14:42:48 leinir, I wanted to ask you something but I cannot remember what now Mar 11 14:43:15 lcuk: Hehe, ping me again when you remember - i should be happy to answer if i can :) Mar 11 14:43:27 * lcuk nods Mar 11 14:43:41 ahh it was about the Birmingham meeting I think Mar 11 14:43:52 Aah right :) Mar 11 14:51:29 leinir, how are you getting on with gluon? Mar 11 14:51:54 lcuk: quite well, thanks :) Mar 11 14:52:06 :D Mar 11 14:53:19 leinir, I know it runs on maemo n900, did you try building for meego handset? Mar 11 14:54:04 Well, it's built for meego in general, so it should run on meego handset fine :) Mar 11 14:54:34 awesome, which repo is it on? Mar 11 14:54:39 so people could try Mar 11 14:56:21 It's in sandst1's personal repo, just a moment... Mar 11 14:56:37 http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sandst1/standard/i586/ and http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sandst1/standard/armv1l/ Mar 11 14:57:53 leinir, are there example games and such in there? Mar 11 14:58:28 If all the packages are there, x-ray invaders should be in there :) Mar 11 14:59:25 \o/ Mar 11 15:12:31 lcuk: oh yeah, and this weekend is dedicated to hacking on gluon, so we're going to be attempting to finally build the sample game for the electron release :) Mar 11 15:12:47 I am going to MOSI this weekend :) Mar 11 15:15:44 mosi? :) Mar 11 15:16:13 Museum of Science and Industry Mar 11 15:16:33 Aah! :) Mar 11 15:16:41 http://www.mosi.org.uk/whats-on/meet-the-telecommunication-engineers.aspx Mar 11 15:17:44 a bit better link: http://www2.largemanchester.com/guide/exhibitions_guide/family-telecommunications-weekend.html Mar 11 15:19:14 * lcuk will make notes and take oodles of photos :) Mar 11 15:29:42 Stskeeps, did you boot up your aava device with latest images by chance? Mar 11 15:31:07 no, my flu got stronger than me so Mar 11 15:31:26 *nod* Mar 11 15:31:47 it would be helpful if we could confirm some of these handset bugs are actually occuring on all handsets Mar 11 16:03:39 do you know of any Qt app which uses CMake for cross compiling? Mar 11 16:04:06 would i need a cross qmake? Mar 11 16:04:35 * thiago_home doesn't know if cmake supports cross-compiling Mar 11 16:05:06 yes, it does :) Mar 11 16:06:01 well, FindQt4.cmake finds qmake in order to find the necessary info Mar 11 16:06:05 so you need the cross-qmake Mar 11 16:07:32 yes, that is what i was guessing, cross-qmake is part of qt4-embedded? Mar 11 16:07:55 or can i have a cross-qmake from qt4-x11? Mar 11 16:09:12 there's only one Qt, per target Mar 11 16:09:19 so install the devel package and cmake should find it Mar 11 16:10:08 thanks Mar 11 16:12:00 Can the meego SDK be installed on an unsupported distro (like gentoo)? I'd like to write stuff for IVI Mar 11 16:13:30 kshots_work: yes Mar 11 16:13:34 hi Mar 11 16:13:49 it is not supported, so you are basically on your own. But it is totally doable. Mar 11 16:13:58 That would be fine Mar 11 16:14:38 I don't have any machines handy with ubuntu or any of the other supported OS's, but I have two gentoo boxen Mar 11 16:37:36 can someone tell me how i get off the stupid mynokia tips sms service? Mar 11 16:37:42 i used to know but i forgot Mar 11 16:37:51 and it readds you every time you reset phone Mar 11 16:42:03 ah, i finally found it, text "STOP" to 84000 Mar 11 17:35:03 leinir, bug 14219, were you also testing on your n900? Mar 11 17:35:06 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 cri, Undecided, 1.1.90.4, qiang.z.zhang, NEW, Zypper slowness before each operation Mar 11 17:35:19 lcuk: no, this is an ideapad Mar 11 17:35:24 roger Mar 11 17:35:27 with core updated last night Mar 11 17:35:31 yeah Mar 11 17:35:47 my ideapad is quite clean and does not experience the slowdown Mar 11 17:36:02 it is curious what is making it happen Mar 11 17:36:36 *nods* me too... so i did a callgrind check and found absolutely nothing :P Mar 11 17:37:00 my personal theory is a weird TCP issue the chinese saw on repo.meego.com at times Mar 11 17:37:16 which was like they could ping it fine but it just .. timed out ish Mar 11 17:37:38 Stskeeps, the test run for certain operations is not meant to be network related Mar 11 17:37:47 Stskeeps: that would've been easy to spot, though... but there's no networking at all going on here Mar 11 17:38:15 ok Mar 11 17:42:20 :O a scan of my complete #IRC history shows I have typed 320119 lines since I started, the majority have been public #Maemo and #Meego! Mar 11 17:42:41 errr 320120 now ;) Mar 11 17:43:53 lcuk: and now? Mar 11 17:44:11 ccooke, lol Mar 11 17:44:20 perhaps I should have my nickname with auto counter Mar 11 20:01:23 Jaffa: ping? Mar 11 20:38:28 hi Mar 11 20:46:08 Sind Leute aus der Region NRW/Essen hier? Organisiere ein lokales Netzwerk für NRW... Mar 11 21:35:25 auke: happen to know if there's any plans to rip out libsmack out of rpm and such? (i don't personally mind..) Mar 11 21:41:26 Stskeeps: no idea. you probably want to talk to ryan ware and ask him. Mar 11 21:41:38 k Mar 11 21:42:02 if it smells like security, Ryan needs to sniff it :) Mar 11 22:16:05 I've so far submitted this: Mar 11 22:16:08 http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=GSoC_2011/Proposal Mar 11 22:16:26 doing small changes around Mar 11 22:16:46 I'd need a native to fix grammar :) Mar 11 22:17:04 javispedro, looks good. may I edit a few things? Mar 11 22:17:07 javispedro: what makes you think natives know proper grammar ? Mar 11 22:17:26 andre__: don't mind! :D Mar 11 22:22:12 btw, formally, the "MeeGo Community" is the one joining (I don't think it really makes sense for "MeeGo" itself to join, in the same way it was maemo.org instead of Maemo) Mar 11 22:23:40 javispedro, okay, done with editing Mar 11 22:23:43 * andre__ has to leave soon Mar 11 22:23:47 thanks! Mar 11 22:23:58 will post to ML and see if someone edits something in the next half hour... Mar 11 22:24:48 javispedro, thanks for handling this part :) Mar 11 22:25:08 thank you for volunteering as backup =) Mar 11 22:25:24 (was really thinking it was not going to happen until few hours ago...) Mar 11 22:31:12 Deadline is 3PM PST? Mar 11 22:31:21 30 minutes Mar 11 22:31:25 23:00 UTC Mar 11 22:33:28 Weird time. Mar 11 22:34:04 it's unambiguous Mar 11 22:34:14 if you say 0:00 UTC, some people are off by 24 hours Mar 11 22:36:00 yeah, 30 minutes. Mar 11 22:36:07 * javispedro is lucky enough to be in a TZ near UTC. Mar 11 22:37:05 hey, I'm in academia. I'm used to long nights before paper deadlines. Mar 11 22:37:22 well, actually, I'm used to hearing such stories :P Mar 11 22:47:15 23:59 Mar 11 22:47:24 Hehe Mar 11 22:47:32 I only work well when procrastinating. Mar 11 22:52:11 btw. MeeGo Touch or QML for UIs in MeeGo? Mar 11 22:52:35 phl0x81: QML or Qt's QTouchEvent Mar 11 22:52:49 ...or QGesture Mar 11 22:53:17 QTouchEvent isn't UI. I'm talking about Buttons and stuff. MeeGoTouch as a lib exists. Mar 11 22:53:35 and the SDK uses it... Mar 11 22:55:04 Don't use MeeGo Touch. Mar 11 22:55:23 Use regular Qt or QtQuick Mar 11 22:55:24 why? Mar 11 22:55:42 is it abandomed? Mar 11 22:55:48 Why would you use it? Mar 11 22:56:08 What features does it have that are not in Qt? Mar 11 22:56:12 if I install the SDK its the default? Mar 11 22:56:51 I don't know. I use a chroot. Mar 11 22:57:06 what? I'm on windows. Mar 11 22:58:00 OK, I'm not on windows. And even on linux I don't use that version of the SDK. So I can't answer your question. Mar 11 22:58:34 4 minutes left! :P Mar 11 22:59:10 as a dev ofcourse I'd like to stick with qt/qml, just asking myself if MeeGoTouch has a future and why its the recommanded/default UI on the SDK/IDE. Mar 11 22:59:34 it's not the recommended nor default Mar 11 23:02:22 phl0x81: If it is, it's either a mistake or a carryover from earlier plans. Don't use it unless you have a really, really good reason. Mar 11 23:02:56 I see. thats all I wanted to know. Mar 11 23:04:09 I'm planning to write a little how-to-dev-for-meego as a kickoff for my local german meego network, thats why I'm asking. Mar 11 23:05:01 is there a wiki site for starting to build apps for MeeGo? I only know the how-to-get-the-SDK-run Site, which is nice, but not helping on that topic. Mar 11 23:06:08 btw. http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows# here its chosen, might wanna fix that. Mar 11 23:06:37 thats probably also the reason why I thought its (still) Standard to go with MeeGoTouch lib. Mar 11 23:17:21 okay, Mar 11 23:17:36 * javispedro is happy to see ideas flowing in: http://wiki.meego.com/GSoC_2011/Ideas Mar 11 23:17:52 in LinuxMCE, we use a device that consumes messages from hald Mar 11 23:18:03 to detect devices jumping on and off a computer in the system Mar 11 23:18:20 i know there is udisks to provide a dbus interface to storage devices on the system Mar 11 23:18:30 what should i be talking to for everything else? Mar 11 23:18:42 udev Mar 11 23:18:44 directly Mar 11 23:18:53 *facepalm* Mar 11 23:18:56 ok Mar 11 23:19:00 not even DeviceKit? Mar 11 23:19:09 devicekit no longer exists :) Mar 11 23:19:18 that fucking figures Mar 11 23:19:25 it's all merged into udev now Mar 11 23:19:41 i love the arbitrary decision making that happens in the open source world Mar 11 23:19:48 mixed with the endless bickering Mar 11 23:20:19 well, this is bad for the bsds, but the main difference between udev and hald is that hald uses xml, while udev uses something more "custom", but that's about it. Mar 11 23:20:40 ok Mar 11 23:20:49 both do virtually the same function, so it made some sense to kill one of them.. Mar 11 23:21:40 javispedro: the big reason i am looking at this, is that LinuxMCE does device replication Mar 11 23:21:51 note ofc that if you need more information about the plugged in devices (instead of generic notifications), you might want to check with the specific apps Mar 11 23:22:01 for ex, pulseaudio for audio device insertion notification, etc. Mar 11 23:22:10 javispedro: if I plug in a storage device on a PC in a LinuxMCE house, our system creates plumbing to it to every other device in the house Mar 11 23:23:07 i am extending this to portable devices, so that i can plug any device into say a tablet, and have it show up everywhere else. Mar 11 23:23:23 oh. Mar 11 23:23:31 yeah, crazy shit Mar 11 23:23:34 ; Mar 11 23:23:36 ;) Mar 11 23:23:36 I feel like if insertion notification was the easiest part of that ,) Mar 11 23:23:37 ;) Mar 11 23:24:41 javispedro: if you want to see what i'm working on: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829 Mar 11 23:24:58 hmmm Mar 11 23:25:10 I can't register for the SF conference as a speaker :( Mar 11 23:25:24 javispedro: o/ Mar 11 23:25:36 hey wazd ! :D Mar 11 23:26:33 TSCHAKeee: can't see it full atm (leaving in few minutes), but sounds crazy indeed :) Mar 11 23:26:55 javispedro: it's a massive smart home platform, the first of its kind. Mar 11 23:27:06 (I would argue the ONLY one of its kind, but..) Mar 11 23:27:56 if I ever hang the Lenovo on a wall, I'll install that =) Mar 11 23:28:12 ;) Mar 11 23:58:58 I need to attempt to run xinput_calibrator on my system to work my touchscreen... I've switched to a console (ALT+F1) and logged in as 'meego', then did 'DISPLAY=":0" xinput_calibrator', but I get a "display not found" error Mar 12 00:01:14 more specifically, I get an "unable to connect to X server" message (oops, display wasn't mentioned) Mar 12 00:02:09 Is there a keystroke I can utilize that can open a terminal _within_ X? Mar 12 00:06:58 kshots: if you're on netbook, alt+f2 type "terminal" press return Mar 12 00:09:06 jonnor: This is meego ivi Mar 12 00:09:20 jonnor: alt+f2 simply brings up the 2nd desktop under matchbox Mar 12 00:11:38 then I do not know. Setting the DISPLAY envvar and running applications generally work though Mar 12 00:37:09 ok... I hooked a USB mouse up and ran xterm straight from matchbox... that worked Mar 12 00:37:36 Running xinput_calibrator from within xterm? "Unable to connect to X server" Mar 12 02:13:38 question - is there such a thing as a cbd for laptop size devices? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011