**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 02:59:57 2011 Mar 14 05:25:42 hi I am trying to build meego 1.1 release through my OBS, using the meego1.1 repo for import. the packages in core fail giving the error http://pastie.org/1669106 , can some one provide some pointers in this regard Mar 14 05:31:09 all packages in my meego1.1 project iing the error : ImportError: /lib/libnssutil3.so: undefined symbol: PL_ClearArenaPool , using meego 1.1. source code and imported meego 1.1 release for setig up project Mar 14 05:36:57 good morning Mar 14 06:49:20 info Mar 14 06:52:27 quit Mar 14 06:57:19 test Mar 14 06:58:01 kchai1: the problem is that you cannot determine whether test passed until someone answers you Mar 14 07:50:36 morning Mar 14 08:33:00 hi, Mar 14 08:34:38 My intention is to build libmeegoimframework.so taking the latest src code from /meego.gitorious.org so that i can debug the code flow can some one help me in this regard, I have Madde installed and able to run Handset UX on QEMU Mar 14 11:10:52 good noon Mar 14 11:18:51 hi pupnik Mar 14 11:19:16 hola CosmoHill Mar 14 11:22:41 hi all, getting an error while building IMFramework Mar 14 11:22:41 make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../meegotouch-inputmethodframework/src/mdbusglibicconnectionserviceglue.h', Mar 14 11:22:46 needed by `.obj/minputcontextglibdbusconnection.o'. Stop. Mar 14 11:23:03 ~pastbin Mar 14 11:23:11 ~pastbin? Mar 14 11:23:24 ~pastebin Mar 14 11:23:24 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Mar 14 11:23:29 there we go Mar 14 11:23:57 http://pastebin.com/QL5kq4Qz Mar 14 12:37:33 mhm http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-sharing-framework is this meego core compliant? Mar 14 12:40:36 ok its depending on meego touch :( Mar 14 12:42:00 mikhas: dear god, have you been feeding the vkb steroids? Mar 14 12:42:06 it's so much faster Mar 14 12:47:17 w00t_, I got rid of Qt Mar 14 12:47:23 j/k Mar 14 12:47:33 ;) Mar 14 12:47:43 good job, though Mar 14 12:47:56 but yes, I simplified drawing in QGV, added some nice hacks there Mar 14 12:48:03 which sadly exposed a memleak in QPixmap Mar 14 12:48:18 I should write about the QGraphicsView hack, it could be useful for others Mar 14 12:49:02 but biggest performance improvement comes from sidestepping the window compositor where possible Mar 14 12:49:03 mikhas, bug 14411 is unfortunate but hopefully curable, I tried looking elsewhere for similar bug report bug could not find a match Mar 14 12:49:05 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14411 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, [Trunk: Testing] Tapping on key when VKB is in portrait mode outputs key in the row above. Mar 14 12:49:13 and I am not sure if it occurs there Mar 14 12:49:39 lcuk, can be adjusted through CSS Mar 14 12:49:51 I'll comment on the bug Mar 14 12:50:04 mikhas, it looks like a gatepost error Mar 14 12:50:08 rather than a css tweak Mar 14 12:50:34 lcuk, basically, it's device-specific Mar 14 12:50:38 hm Mar 14 12:50:45 see the video Mar 14 12:50:57 ping me later again, ie, this evening Mar 14 12:51:01 k Mar 14 13:06:29 morning Mar 14 13:10:14 hi berndhs Mar 14 13:12:01 lcuk: its a feature :) Commenting on bugreport now Mar 14 13:13:21 jonnor, bug 14411? Mar 14 13:13:24 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14411 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, [Trunk: Testing] Tapping on key when VKB is in portrait mode outputs key in the row above. Mar 14 13:15:15 lcuk: yes Mar 14 13:15:42 jonnor, sure, but its gateposting is off! Mar 14 13:18:12 Row 0..1 should be qwerty, row 1..2 should be asdfg etc instead it gets: Mar 14 13:18:29 Row 0..1.49 should be qwerty, row 1.5..2.49 should be asdfg etc Mar 14 13:24:54 mikhas, btw, nicely done on the compositor tweaking btw :) Mar 14 13:25:14 if there are any general optimisations which were discovered and which could be passed onto other teams Mar 14 13:30:22 jpetersen could blog about it, perhaps Mar 14 13:31:19 lcuk: ok, commented on https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14411 Mar 14 13:31:22 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14411 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, [Trunk: Testing] Tapping on key when VKB is in portrait mode outputs key in the row above. Mar 14 13:31:51 lcuk, that compositing is generally slow is widely known, I guess Mar 14 13:32:12 the wayland hype exists for a reason Mar 14 13:32:30 mikhas: also good ones you mean :) Mar 14 13:32:48 jonnor, ? Mar 14 13:33:16 GOD - jonn*er, jonn*or, jonn*i - all in one channel Mar 14 13:33:35 * mikhas waits for j0nn* variants Mar 14 13:33:50 mikhas: the wayland hype exists also for good resons you mean Mar 14 13:34:12 (the most common reason for hype seems to be the often uninformed statement that "X sucks") Mar 14 13:35:19 "X sucks" is the wrong simplification of "Compositing in X could be faster", yes Mar 14 13:37:48 yes, and other 'reasons' like "it does more than I need" and "it is old" Mar 14 13:37:54 you might want to figure out how apple does it :P Mar 14 13:38:06 javispedro: does what? compositing? Mar 14 13:38:09 yep Mar 14 13:38:37 it is integral to the windowing system/server there, similar to wayland Mar 14 13:38:50 actually, it is integral to their 3d driver. Mar 14 13:40:18 I think all applications share one GL context there. Mar 14 13:40:36 javispedro, I doubt that Mar 14 13:41:17 this could potentially make things slower if you always need to aquire the GL context Mar 14 13:41:41 biggest compositing thing, if you have 9 800*480 applications, there is a total surface area of 2400*1440 to be filled. Mar 14 13:41:57 then compressed down to visual size Mar 14 13:42:15 I just hope wayland will support remove display Mar 14 13:42:21 s/remove/remote/ Mar 14 13:42:22 berndhs meant: I just hope wayland will support remote display Mar 14 13:42:22 lcuk, that's what things like QGraphicsView try to solve Mar 14 13:42:30 (and fail at that) Mar 14 13:42:32 mikhas: they're monotasking, after all. Mar 14 13:43:11 the boilerplate to get somewhere to render on a iPhone resembles more our boilerplate for getting a renderbuffer Mar 14 13:43:18 mikhas, couple that with the process itself doing work in CPU/GPU to render to its surface, then passing it on to the gpu for compositing ontop Mar 14 13:43:20 (because it is what it is) Mar 14 13:46:31 hmm, in wayland, the server is the window manager also, so it could potentially enforce a window stack where all (at least application) windows cover eachother fully. And then optimize draws from the client in the case where a fully opaque window covers it.. Mar 14 13:46:55 I do not think you need wayland for that.. Mar 14 13:47:57 the webos and (maemo) diablo's telescope app for ex have no compositor at all, but the "task switching view" simply gets a periodic screenshot of the apps. Mar 14 13:48:22 (not entirely true, both have some kind of "damage"-like thing to avoid unnecessary wakeups) Mar 14 13:55:15 bug 14320 Mar 14 13:55:17 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14320 nor, High, ---, shane.bryan, NEW, Unable to make emergency call whether SIM card inserted or not Mar 14 13:55:39 how does one go about testing something like that without getting done for wasting police time? Mar 14 13:55:43 ali1234: test networks Mar 14 13:56:07 does that involve special hardware i can't afford? Mar 14 13:56:24 the 8-ball says yes Mar 14 13:57:17 ok, fair enough then i guess Mar 14 14:09:23 sp3000: you around today? Mar 14 14:10:45 dawnfoster: ping Mar 14 14:10:57 !summon dawnfoster Mar 14 14:11:00 around office, not this week Mar 14 14:11:31 * timeless_office tries parsing Mar 14 14:11:38 * timeless_office retries parsing\ Mar 14 14:11:45 * timeless_office continues retrying parsing Mar 14 14:11:49 * timeless_office fails Mar 14 14:12:10 back next week? Mar 14 14:12:12 * lbt suggests rpn research Mar 14 14:13:36 lbt: any idea where bug 3654 comes from? Mar 14 14:13:38 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3654 tri, Low, ---, ning.w.wang, ASSI, "MeeGo 1.0 Core Update- i686 - Debug Packages" is missing a space after "Update" Mar 14 14:14:09 timeless_office: right :) Mar 14 14:15:06 preloaded file I think Mar 14 14:15:31 well, something generates that file, right? Mar 14 14:15:37 rpm -q search should tell you which pkg owns them Mar 14 14:16:16 assume i'm kinda short on live images right now.. Mar 14 14:16:40 me too ... and not massively worried about a " " char ;) Mar 14 14:17:06 quite possibly comes from the OBS project description Mar 14 14:20:21 is obs something you have more access to than me? Mar 14 14:20:32 or rather... Mar 14 14:24:20 I dug around for a couple of mins but it's not worth more time than that.... I'll keep it in mind though Mar 14 14:29:26 anyone experienced with qflasher to make qemu NAND image? Mar 14 14:34:17 via meego: best way to irc on meego? Mar 14 14:34:28 ssh+irssi Mar 14 14:34:28 :P Mar 14 14:34:33 * bobnxs <3's irony Mar 14 14:34:45 haha rly? that's the best method? Mar 14 14:34:52 can't i install irssi on this mother? Mar 14 14:35:24 probably can Mar 14 14:35:45 the old fashioned way, wget or a deb or something? Mar 14 14:35:52 bobnxs, technically xchat is available for netbook, but will need build/test/tweaking for handset afaik Mar 14 14:36:12 hm thx lcuk Mar 14 14:41:34 i guess i'll try to bang something together later. thx to you too, sts Mar 14 17:10:56 lbt: ping Mar 14 17:11:08 pong Mar 14 17:11:18 so about that Team:XBMC project in build.pub.meego.com, it is possible to get? Mar 14 17:11:42 so I said to carsten earlier.... we just need a proposal from 'you' about the policies for the area Mar 14 17:11:53 and that may end up being a kind of org chart Mar 14 17:12:07 so who's the maintainers Mar 14 17:12:17 who do IT come to when there are problems Mar 14 17:12:50 ensure that you have some 'right' to be MeeGo's XBMC Mar 14 17:13:03 clarify relationship with upstream Mar 14 17:13:30 eg what do we do if the upstream xbmc guys say "hey... we're already porting it to meego" Mar 14 17:13:46 Well, I have no real connection to upstream more than the thing that I have packaged it for meego currently. Mar 14 17:13:49 have you seen the qt media hub? Mar 14 17:13:54 probably not an issue here .... but you know... just have some notes Mar 14 17:14:07 thiago_home: i was wondering if there was a video of that actually Mar 14 17:14:32 there must be... Mar 14 17:15:13 lbt: not sure what kind of connections arfoll has though. Mar 14 17:15:29 Sage: so have some vague statement saying that and maybe explaining how you plan to establish a connection (if indeed you do) Mar 14 17:15:39 lbt: but sure if there is a problem I can take the problem to the upstream if that is what is needed. Mar 14 17:15:45 Stskeeps: can't find it, of course Mar 14 17:16:01 Sage, i know enough to know they are not porting to meego. I've posted a few patches and am usually on IRC. Mar 14 17:16:19 i've been advertising meego packages on #xbmc-linux and #xbmc on their forums for nearly a year now Mar 14 17:16:19 don't get me wrong ... I don't really mind one way or the other Mar 14 17:17:21 I just think it makes sense ... also maybe you could announce the formation of the team - some goals etc and allow others to join in the formation Mar 14 17:17:34 * Stskeeps ponders idly if you can dlopen a non-fpic executable on x86 Mar 14 17:18:02 * pupnik watches Mar 14 17:18:11 lbt, we could start a wiki page with team:xbmc however having an OBS project open would give us credibility and a good starting point Mar 14 17:18:31 arfoll: I was just looking at the wiki Mar 14 17:19:29 Wiki would be nice start. However if there isn't any this kind of teams yet I think the layout should be though a bit so it would be easy to add new teams when they 'popup' Mar 14 17:19:45 like /cobs/teams/xbmc or something? Mar 14 17:20:15 I thought Team: would be for biggish projects ... KDE sprang to mind Mar 14 17:20:32 * arfoll starts to wonder why meego stuff has so much paper/virtual work... Mar 14 17:20:44 lbt, well what would you prefer we do? Mar 14 17:20:56 arfoll: 'cos we don't know what we're doing ... we have to make it up as we go along Mar 14 17:21:07 and it makes sense to think about it a *little* bit :) Mar 14 17:21:44 * Stskeeps thought Team: was more along lines of anything >1 person needs to collaborate on Mar 14 17:21:48 :P Mar 14 17:21:54 Stskeeps: maybe it should be Mar 14 17:22:16 but what about a little app with 2 people working on it? Mar 14 17:22:22 team makes sense to me as long as we make sure it's "team meego: xbmc" Mar 14 17:22:29 as the xbmc devs often call themselves team xbmc Mar 14 17:22:30 lbt: also another thing is that do we have list like http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_application_blacklist for cobs and if not will we have list like that at some point? Mar 14 17:22:42 no, yes Mar 14 17:22:57 meego+xbmc would be interesting if it was actually a whole UX in it's own right Mar 14 17:23:00 right now the requirement is "don't break the law" Mar 14 17:23:00 Sage, one problme at a time Mar 14 17:23:07 I have no idea which law Mar 14 17:23:12 or what breaks it Mar 14 17:23:24 ali1234, see the amino freedom demo at meego conf? Mar 14 17:23:30 what about app:xbmc? Mar 14 17:23:39 ^ i'm fine with app:xbmc Mar 14 17:23:42 arfoll: i might have, which conf, and which demo? Mar 14 17:23:43 then it would not be restricted to that "team" Mar 14 17:24:05 we have a fairly large namespace :) Mar 14 17:24:07 ali1234, dublin 2010 - intel technology stand. or IDF 2010 keynote Mar 14 17:24:14 yeah i saw that Mar 14 17:24:19 hi everyone. Mar 14 17:24:36 that was XBMC as a UX on amino freedom Mar 14 17:24:39 nmap is compatible with meego? Mar 14 17:24:49 i thought they made their own UX from scratch? Mar 14 17:25:02 it certainly didn't*look* like xbmc Mar 14 17:25:07 ali1234, for their customer telecom italia. Mar 14 17:25:23 the one on show was a skinned XBMC made for demos by yours truly Mar 14 17:25:33 fair enough Mar 14 17:25:35 arfoll: you work with the amino tv project? Mar 14 17:25:57 Sage, just the xbmc on amino tv part Mar 14 17:26:35 arfoll: well I talked with some of the people in the stand at dublin at some point ;) Mar 14 17:26:36 if anyone using nmap on meego, let me know. Mar 14 17:27:02 xev: don't know if it's built. It is compatible. Mar 14 17:27:17 xev: MeeGo is just another linux distro Mar 14 17:27:19 Sage, you may have talked to me then Mar 14 17:27:26 arfoll: hehe Mar 14 17:28:00 lbt: ok, thanks for the answer.. I'l try to compile it Mar 14 17:28:09 anyways so whats the verdict, can we get an app:xbmc or team:xbmc and what should we do to get one? You can put me and Sage as maintainers and people to complain to Mar 14 17:28:11 xev: use the community OBS Mar 14 17:28:27 arfoll: give it a bit time :) Mar 14 17:29:17 true, i'm getting ahead of myself... Mar 14 17:29:26 what about app:media:xbmc as wel, but would there be any advantage of this? Mar 14 17:29:36 Sage: I wondered that Mar 14 17:29:53 I'm thinking a few things : we need to avoid application/package naming collisions Mar 14 17:30:00 so it kinda makes sense to keep it flat Mar 14 17:30:08 true Mar 14 17:30:15 OTOH it can be a pain with many many apps in a list Mar 14 17:30:29 lbt: but will :media: etc make it easier? Mar 14 17:30:45 We could use the rpm categories to make categories? Mar 14 17:31:04 Sage: do you know what gmpc does? Mar 14 17:31:19 but then that would mean that only the app would be there and the libs it requires would need to be in separate project? Mar 14 17:31:23 yes Mar 14 17:31:41 lbt, is this going back to putting all libraries in "surrounds" or similar? Mar 14 17:31:42 that would make the build repo requirements hell. Mar 14 17:31:50 arfoll: yes Mar 14 17:32:03 arfoll: but home->Team->surrounds Mar 14 17:32:12 lbt, that would be nice Mar 14 17:32:15 as you go through a dev->release cycle Mar 14 17:33:25 I think Team should be used by people who need to pull multiple apps/libs together for a consolidatin phase pre-release Mar 14 17:33:29 lbt: but then devel:xbmc would be ok as well. if that would be only statging area Mar 14 17:33:31 lbt, so you'd put team:xbmc:surrounds team:xbmc:devel and team:xbmc:release? Mar 14 17:33:45 arfoll: the sub-structure is up to you Mar 14 17:33:57 lbt, ok Mar 14 17:33:57 but that could be sane Mar 14 17:34:27 that's not too different to what i do allready in home:arfoll Mar 14 17:35:00 we spent a lot of time on this in Nokia and are working to release the processes we use(d) Mar 14 17:35:15 I'm just wondering if that makes too much forking in the end and people will have same lib compiled in mulitple places at some point Mar 14 17:35:38 Sage: agree - there needs to be a balance Mar 14 17:36:01 I think devel - test - release - (archives) Mar 14 17:36:08 I just mean that in the end it would be the best if everything would end up to the extras/surrounds i.e., MeeGo:surrounds Mar 14 17:36:18 Sage, i disagree Mar 14 17:36:19 and there's an implicit 'home/hack' prior to that Mar 14 17:36:41 with one repo you'll end up with dependancy hell as everyone will want a diff version of a library etc... Mar 14 17:36:41 arfoll: good Mar 14 17:36:46 yep Mar 14 17:37:01 e.g., xbmc has mulitple libs it needs to build and at some point many others needs those as well. Mar 14 17:37:12 It would be nice to have a few projects coordinating to a release in surrounds Mar 14 17:37:18 i think people will have to use common sense and all elect one maintainer for one lib and trust them. And override them when they want something a little different Mar 14 17:37:33 but it also makes sense to have meego/xbmc appliances Mar 14 17:37:44 Sage, for those libs it would be good if people viewed our packages as the 'authority' for those packages Mar 14 17:37:53 *nod* Mar 14 17:38:06 we also have an embryonic ITP process Mar 14 17:38:09 i tried to share packages with zigbee (see home:zigbee) but he was unresponsive to say the least. Hopefully not all will be the same Mar 14 17:38:25 yes, but would those people then a) copypac those to their own project b) compile against xbmc project Mar 14 17:38:35 yes... zigbee is a slight anti-pattern :) Mar 14 17:39:04 Sage: ideally they'd build against Surrounds Mar 14 17:39:07 Sage, depending - either they would branch because they want just one package or to modify it, ore they will compile against our "surrounds" to create their own xbmc build for example Mar 14 17:39:34 lbt: team:xbmc:surrounds ? Mar 14 17:39:49 no MeeGo:Surrounds Mar 14 17:40:23 arfoll: ok, lets say user X wants to install XBMC and media-center-app-X they put team:xbmc:surrounds and team:media-x:surrounds to the meego repo dir and they have conflict with packages Mar 14 17:40:49 yep... Mar 14 17:40:51 we can't assume user is installing with only the team project in addition to meego Mar 14 17:41:04 Sage, yes and they'll have to choose what library they want to keep Mar 14 17:41:27 arfoll: libx-version-xbmc-mod1 or libx-version-media-x-mod2 Mar 14 17:41:33 Sage: that is bad ... but unavoidable Mar 14 17:41:59 unless you commit to building XBMC against Surrounds Mar 14 17:42:17 Sage, but then the user ends up with mutlitple of the same libs installed and thats really really ugly Mar 14 17:42:58 I'm just saying that xbmc requires for example requires id3lib and that lib isn't actually part of XBMC and thus should not be in team:xbmc:surrounds Mar 14 17:43:10 lbt, yes we'd build against surrounds Mar 14 17:43:17 after all we are pro opensource and every modification that is needed should be upstreamed right? Mar 14 17:43:39 so the mod should end up in the id3lib for example in this case and noe -modX versions would be needed Mar 14 17:43:47 Sage: correct, it should not be in Team:XBMC:Surrounds Mar 14 17:44:10 however.... you may test a newer version of it in Team:XBMC:Testing Mar 14 17:44:15 the COBS isn't a product package builder so we should not accept modifications like that Mar 14 17:44:45 lbt: well isn't MeeGo:surrounds:testing for that? Mar 14 17:45:08 Sage: mmm Mar 14 17:45:10 testing a new version that is. or actually home:user:branches:team:xbmc Mar 14 17:45:15 I can see both being used Mar 14 17:45:30 lbt, in that case we would need access to meego:surrounds as well as app:xbmc Mar 14 17:45:30 Surrounds:Testing is like "the next RC for Surrounds" Mar 14 17:45:53 your release cycle may be out of sync Mar 14 17:45:53 lbt, and then there is little point in making a seperate repo for xbmc, it may as well live in Meego:extras or similar Mar 14 17:46:17 home:user:branches:team:xbmc -> team:xbmc -> MeeGo:surrounds:Testing -> MeeGo:Surrounds ? Mar 14 17:46:17 arfoll: yep Mar 14 17:46:24 Sage: yep Mar 14 17:46:41 arfoll: Team isn't *needed* ... it's there to help a team coordinate Mar 14 17:46:43 In my opinion that would be the only way to go so we don't get too much forking around. Mar 14 17:47:02 Sage, i think you're right Mar 14 17:47:06 and if you guys drive the maintainership of a bunch of libs... that may be useful Mar 14 17:47:23 * lcuk gingerly raises hand and wonders what happens when xbmc want to test updated version of core upstream library (which is not yet moved to core) Mar 14 17:48:09 lcuk: we do this... I call it peek-ahead Mar 14 17:48:20 it's about detecting upcoming breakage Mar 14 17:48:34 roger, good to know Mar 14 17:48:48 lbt, we would obviously maintain the xbmc deps at least at first unless others are willing/feel they'd do a better job or they end up being shared by another project Mar 14 17:49:01 arfoll: *nod* Mar 14 17:49:13 lbt: sure Mar 14 17:49:27 arfoll, where does normal upstream xbmc work happen at the mmoment? Mar 14 17:49:27 they way i see it it's win win for any linux media app wanting to compile on meego Mar 14 17:49:48 lcuk, they've recently changed, gone from SVN+trac to github Mar 14 17:50:05 so... a Team: area is to do integration testing of multiple apps Mar 14 17:50:08 basically file a pull request from a personal git branch on github and a bug in trac. they are very responsive Mar 14 17:50:56 Team:XBMC may include some backend code from upstream and some MeeGo specific scripts and some MeeGo UI code Mar 14 17:51:09 all different packages Mar 14 17:51:47 lbt, unlikely we are more likely to have patches to xbmc Mar 14 17:51:48 is it easy to get the changes and patches back out of obs into a github/gitorious MR? Mar 14 17:51:49 lbt: so those dependency libs should be submitted to MeeGo:Surrounds:Testing ? Mar 14 17:52:21 lcuk, other way around, patches are done on git, then put into OBS/RPM pacakge Mar 14 17:52:28 arfoll: OK ... rats... I'd hoped for that model Mar 14 17:52:36 Sage: yes Mar 14 17:52:55 I wonder if it should be Surrounds:Devel ... to mimic core Mar 14 17:53:04 ? Mar 14 17:53:13 lbt, i agree it would be cleaner, but we are going to have patches. We are also probably going to have at least two xbmc packages. one for xbmc with openGL and one xbmc with GLES Mar 14 17:54:16 OK ... so where does libid3 live ? Mar 14 17:54:25 err id3lib Mar 14 17:54:55 lbt: at our home currently Mar 14 17:54:59 hehe Mar 14 17:55:07 lbt, currently home:sage:xbmc and home:arfoll:xbmc and lots of other places Mar 14 17:55:08 lbt: and that is not the only one there is about 5-20 requirement libs ;) Mar 14 17:55:28 depending of how extensive build of XBMC we want to have Mar 14 17:55:51 my home has 9 dependency libs Mar 14 17:55:55 I'd like to understand the gateway to getting id3lib into a Surrounds release Mar 14 17:56:17 home:x: -> MeeGo:surrounds:Testing Mar 14 17:56:21 eg what if it breaks the MythTV app Mar 14 17:57:03 Sage, mine has a few more (i'd rather we go for an extensive build otherwise we'll just get forks all over the place) Mar 14 17:57:29 lbt: well that is why I suggested only upstream to MeeGo:Surrounds Mar 14 17:58:06 so I'm tempted to drop all these packages into Surrounds:Devel once each has a maintainer identified Mar 14 17:58:27 and then promote to S:Testing when they build Mar 14 17:58:37 then build XBMC against that Mar 14 17:59:05 ... Surrounds:Devel? Mar 14 17:59:21 home:user:branches:team:xbmc -> team:xbmc -> MeeGo:Surrounds:Devel -> MeeGo:surrounds:Testing -> MeeGo:Surrounds ? Mar 14 17:59:41 lbt, that would be ideal i think. only fully upstream packages without patches can get in MeeGo:surrounds everyhting else has to live in team/app something Mar 14 17:59:44 or is MeeGo:Surrounds:Devel only a replacement for team:x for package that do not have team? Mar 14 17:59:53 Sage: for id3lib ? Mar 14 18:00:01 Sage: yes Mar 14 18:00:07 ah, ok Mar 14 18:00:16 arfoll: yes... I had a suggestion about that Mar 14 18:00:26 essentially it's an idea about porting vs maintaining Mar 14 18:00:31 and how maintainership requires is done, with osc cr ? Mar 14 18:00:43 and having an upstream 'donor' distro like opensuse Mar 14 18:01:10 lbt, but if we use donor distro's we won't have nice yaml'ified packages... Mar 14 18:01:21 Sage: yes ... need to work on that ... we have BOSS in Nokia (and now community) so it can get involved too Mar 14 18:01:42 lbt: also where are the submit requirest shown? Mar 14 18:01:47 arfoll: but we will avoid reinventing wheels (and security monitoring) Mar 14 18:01:53 Sage: dunno :) Mar 14 18:02:02 is there cobs-commits ML or something? Mar 14 18:02:21 because that is really a MUST so people can actually see what changes there are and they can review those Mar 14 18:02:50 lbt, ok so we'd only be allowed to use in surrounds stuff from let's say opensuse? Mar 14 18:03:08 arfoll: see http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html halfway down : Porting vs Maintaining : A MeeGo partner Mar 14 18:03:28 i can see the advantage, i can live with it Mar 14 18:04:40 arfoll: actually that blog is about the "too much paperwork" you mentioned :) Mar 14 18:04:49 question, if someone wants to "yamlify" a package that has been previously copied from e.g. opensuse would that be ok? Mar 14 18:05:14 Sage: common sense Mar 14 18:05:40 lbt, could we agree on having to use the same patches and tarball (ie sources) as the upstream distro? Mar 14 18:05:46 eg opensuse? Mar 14 18:05:56 yes Mar 14 18:06:00 that's the idea Mar 14 18:06:06 lbt, ok then that makes total sense Mar 14 18:06:09 not to be *too* rigid Mar 14 18:06:16 darn I still have the fever :( Mar 14 18:06:18 i'm onboard with that Mar 14 18:06:28 my idea is "porting means no code patches" Mar 14 18:06:46 just file location and maybe init script hacking Mar 14 18:07:00 no libssl patches ;) Mar 14 18:07:17 lbt, ok sounds good. tbh i'm not looking for any patches in any of our dependancies. at the moment me nor Sage do any (i don't think so anyways) Mar 14 18:07:18 otherwise it moves to 'maintainer' Mar 14 18:07:39 so I'd like to streamline the 'porting' activity somehow Mar 14 18:08:24 I think it would be nice to have a indicator somewhere in OBS if the package is in 'porting' or 'maintaining' Mar 14 18:08:26 lbt, nice article i'll have to add to my blog reading list. Mar 14 18:08:33 however the obs doesn't currently support this I guess. Mar 14 18:08:36 Sage: yep... that's important Mar 14 18:08:43 no, but pkgdb could Mar 14 18:09:32 this is important for the Surrounds:Testing review dudes who accept patches. Mar 14 18:09:48 yes Mar 14 18:10:03 but that dude should be a robot for "porting" (BOSS) Mar 14 18:11:17 ok i have to get home. but lbt & Sage thanks i'll be back on in a bit if you need more talk Mar 14 18:12:18 thanks.... need to find a way to write this up Mar 14 18:12:32 lbt, actually one last question, you've made Surrounds:netbook and others. how does that fit into your idea? Mar 14 18:12:41 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras Mar 14 18:12:56 arfoll: mmm that was based on how core worked Mar 14 18:13:01 I think it needs a rething Mar 14 18:13:03 k Mar 14 18:13:05 to me XBMC is neither netbook/ivi/handset. it can run in all three Mar 14 18:13:22 yes - but would you have different UIs for them ? Mar 14 18:13:23 I've just thought, my server uptime is longer than the OBS servers are old Mar 14 18:14:16 and actually that's more of a user-facing app decision Mar 14 18:14:22 rather than Surrounds Mar 14 18:14:33 lbt, no users may download extra 'themes' though Mar 14 18:14:53 CosmoHill: No kernel upgrades? Mar 14 18:14:53 so I'm happy to re-think it Mar 14 18:15:11 nope Mar 14 18:15:18 never got ksplice to work Mar 14 18:15:31 lbt, it may make more sense for other applications but i think for XBMC it's a UX independant thing (in fact as alil1234 said it's basically a UX in it's own right) Mar 14 18:15:52 ^ +1 Mar 14 18:16:18 *nod* .... but you may still have to target multiple repos Mar 14 18:16:34 as in "publish to" Mar 14 18:16:44 lbt, i'd like to target just Meego:core and publish for 1.0/1.1/current Mar 14 18:17:11 it's not a big deal - I think this goes more to the "Extras" side of things Mar 14 18:17:13 ok, another tihng is that multiple distros thing. Mar 14 18:17:23 Sage: oh yes Mar 14 18:17:24 i don't believe there is anything in netbook/ivi/handset that gives us any advantage Mar 14 18:17:25 grr.. multiple releases thing Mar 14 18:17:44 Sage, are there any packages that you use in netbook/ivi/handset for your build? Mar 14 18:17:49 I mean some app require patchY for MeeGo 1.1 but doesn't require it for MeeGo 1.2 is there a way to do this? Mar 14 18:18:07 arfoll: OTOH ..... you're not the typical case we need to cope with..... so life may be suboptimal for you ... sry Mar 14 18:18:23 Sage: yes Mar 14 18:18:58 Sage: MeeGo should provide a meego-release in the prjconf which the spec can depend on Mar 14 18:19:01 lbt, of course, but maybe treating the xbmc project like an alternative UX instead of an application on a UX would be better Mar 14 18:19:15 lbt: last time I tried that didn't work, but please let me know how to use it Mar 14 18:19:18 arfoll: mmm Mar 14 18:19:42 arfoll: at that point I think you become an image/distro/spin Mar 14 18:19:44 arfoll, when you release onto linux distros, you have to submit to each distro (one for maemo, one for ubuntu etc) now don't you? Mar 14 18:20:12 arfoll: what do you mean with netbook/ivi/handset thing? Mar 14 18:20:17 lcuk, true but my idea was to submit to core Mar 14 18:20:22 arfoll: I'd aim for the 'Extras' channel initially Mar 14 18:20:34 Sage, look at how the Surrounds subdirs are arranged Mar 14 18:20:35 imal ovde zena... Xd Mar 14 18:20:42 arfoll: and I'd argue that MeeGo core should be shrinking, not growing Mar 14 18:21:04 arfoll: ... > http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-now-for-meego.html Mar 14 18:21:11 arfoll: AFAIK that is just old thing and will get restructure, right lbt? Mar 14 18:21:17 and no nothing from those Mar 14 18:21:28 MeeGo is one big trunk nowadays, really :P Mar 14 18:21:42 Stskeeps: with emacs in it Mar 14 18:21:49 Stskeeps, and we are just running around it in circles? Mar 14 18:21:50 which is, IMHO, dumb Mar 14 18:22:05 lbt, i meant targetting trunk (as it building against it) Mar 14 18:22:06 lbt, fan of Vi Mar 14 18:22:07 ? Mar 14 18:22:17 targetting core sorry Mar 14 18:22:18 lcuk: ewww Mar 14 18:22:24 arfoll: yes, that makes sense Mar 14 18:22:45 and that depends on getting your surrounds libs (id3lib) into core Mar 14 18:22:52 which *does* make sense Mar 14 18:23:12 arfoll: I do understand what you want to do.... really Mar 14 18:23:35 lbt, ok i'll leave it in your good hands then and look forward to your blog post :-) Mar 14 18:23:39 hehe Mar 14 18:23:43 i promise i wont shout about paperwork agai Mar 14 18:23:55 np... it gets on my nerves too Mar 14 18:24:01 I feel like I'm blocking people Mar 14 18:24:03 which is bad Mar 14 18:24:05 Sage, cheers and keep me updated on your xbmc hacking ;-) Mar 14 18:24:29 arfoll: will do :) Mar 14 18:24:30 lbt, as far as i see you gave me access to OBS :-) big hugs Mar 14 18:26:00 *g* Mar 14 18:36:15 pizza with a height of a and a radius of z has a volume of pi*z*z*a Mar 14 18:36:42 lol Mar 14 18:38:41 I can do that too for a box: it's volume is b*o*x (but, it doesn't taste as good) Mar 14 18:38:42 pupnik: Hahahaha! Mar 14 18:38:48 hey auke Mar 14 18:39:15 morningish Mar 14 18:39:30 morn auke Mar 14 18:39:42 * auke is confused about time due to this forsaken land here not using the same DST dates as the rest of the world Mar 14 18:39:59 at least you're not driving on the wrong side of the road Mar 14 18:40:00 :P Mar 14 18:42:24 the only wrong side of the road is if cars are headed towards you Mar 14 18:44:07 or you're driving in reverse Mar 14 19:40:15 auke: do you know who worked on the Intel MPI Benchmark? Mar 14 19:45:47 CosmoHill: no idea Mar 14 19:45:49 CosmoHill, to go with your wonky phone: wonky screenshot! http://liqbase.net/20110314_009.jpg Mar 14 19:46:28 I love the idea that you dropped the phone and that happened to the text Mar 14 19:46:44 hah Mar 14 19:47:26 CosmoHill, we went looking for a wristwatch form factor the other night Mar 14 19:47:56 sent a mail to the guy who did the pong watch Mar 14 20:02:30 lcuk: where's wazd's dublin video? Mar 14 20:03:23 wazd: fwiw, about the only use for those videos is to improve your presentation style Mar 14 20:03:57 since the cameras focused on the presenter instead of the slides Mar 14 20:03:57 :( Mar 14 20:04:47 hello mlfoster Mar 14 20:04:54 how's it going? Mar 14 20:04:59 hi Mar 14 20:05:44 vgrade: which ks file must I use ? Mar 14 20:06:56 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/application-design-survival-guide-programmers Mar 14 20:06:56 there it is Mar 14 20:06:56 cool Mar 14 20:07:01 timeless_xchat, ^ Mar 14 20:07:53 timeless_xchat, presentation style - some groups try to guide presentors to not just read the slides Mar 14 20:08:07 and to aim to give the same presentation to people listening only Mar 14 20:12:16 * CosmoHill wonders if he should compare a mac pro to his cluster Mar 14 20:13:07 vgrade: ping Mar 14 20:14:29 Hey CosmoHill, what was the verdict on the win/lin HPC shootout on your cluster? Mar 14 20:14:42 not finished yet Mar 14 20:15:40 OK, your logout message the other day made me think it was done Mar 14 20:15:50 or at least, done with windows Mar 14 20:15:53 what was it? Mar 14 20:15:54 is there a ks file for gma 500 netbook ? (not joggler) Mar 14 20:16:17 the screen shot where you gave your reason for shutting down windows server Mar 14 20:16:24 oh that Mar 14 20:16:32 that was me getting annoyed at a virtual machine Mar 14 20:16:45 I installed 2008 on my laptop so I can toy around with things outside of uni Mar 14 20:17:11 Oh, ok. Mar 14 20:21:01 gabrbedd: today I've been compiling my old assignments on windows so I can use them to compare Mar 14 20:24:27 * npm finally gets http://openshot.org going on meego! Mar 14 20:26:38 had to resort to quite the hack: sudo zypper in http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.2/32/basic/python-mlt-0.5.10-69mib2010.1.i686.rpm http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.2/32/basic/libmlt-devel-0.5.10-69mib2010.1.i686.rpm http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.2/32/basic/mlt-0.5.10-69mib2010.1.i686.rpm http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.2/32/basic/libmlt2-0.5.10-69mib2010.1.i686.rpm http://mib.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2010.2/32/basic/libmlt++3-0. Mar 14 20:26:39 5.10-69mib2010.1.i686.rpm Mar 14 20:27:07 mandriva rpms on meego is a new low... Mar 14 20:29:34 * thiago_home does that often Mar 14 20:29:47 since my main desktop is Mandriva, sometimes I get their RPMs in my MeeGo netbook Mar 14 20:29:57 that way, I can simply rsync my builds Mar 14 20:31:01 i normally do that to fedora... but fedora's python stuff is on python 2.7 and i needed http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/ up and running quickly Mar 14 20:31:13 against meego's python 2.6 Mar 14 20:31:50 npm: ooo, reminds me I need to get some rendering thing for my cluster Mar 14 20:31:59 thiago_home: was your problems last week drive failure, btw? Mar 14 20:33:05 w00t_: no Mar 14 20:33:18 w00t_: I don't remember what problems you're talking about, but since I have had no drive failure, it wasn't Mar 14 20:33:31 I did have a problem with the kernel deciding not to talk to the drive, though Mar 14 20:33:37 thiago_home: I just vaguely remember you talking about system problems sometime then Mar 14 20:33:47 but good :-) Mar 14 20:33:57 I did Mar 14 20:33:57 drive failures are really inconvenient Mar 14 20:34:05 2.6.36 has that problem Mar 14 20:34:15 after resuming from suspend, it would stop talking to the SATA disk Mar 14 20:34:28 in 2.6.36.2, I hadn't had this problem until last week, when it did happen Mar 14 20:34:41 heh Mar 14 20:35:04 ouch Mar 14 20:35:10 though I think it was my workstation, so no resume/suspend involved Mar 14 20:35:16 it simply stopped talking to the disk Mar 14 20:35:30 processes get stuck in D and hard reboot is the only option Mar 14 20:35:48 I should try a hibernate on this kernel now (debian .37-1) Mar 14 20:35:53 anything pre-37 was known to not work Mar 14 20:36:26 2.6.32 was the best kernel I've ever used Mar 14 20:36:33 on this hardware, I mean Mar 14 20:37:39 heh Mar 14 20:37:52 hardware support is a tricky thing, yes Mar 14 20:39:11 my microphone hasn't worked ever since that version Mar 14 20:46:55 hmmm... this looks intereting http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=96039&id=296772 Mar 14 20:48:18 w00t_, w00t Mar 14 20:48:23 mm? Mar 14 20:48:37 nomination Mar 14 20:49:36 heh, I'm not sure what to do about that Mar 14 20:49:42 it's a trap! Mar 14 20:49:55 * w00t_ is very short on the time department, and as a result is very reluctant to accept nomination Mar 14 20:52:24 w00t_: Meh, you can't be worse than a third of the people I've served with Mar 14 20:52:38 w00t_: You can be the council member who doesn't do anything :-) Mar 14 20:53:19 Jaffa, iSSH you say Mar 14 20:53:29 how comfy is that with vkb? Mar 14 20:53:46 Heya AStorm Mar 14 21:02:54 lcuk: No idea (yet) Mar 14 21:03:39 RST38h, you are normally good at this kind of stuff Mar 14 21:03:57 any idea what the smallest x11 running linux device is? Mar 14 21:04:15 does not need 3d, but wrist sized would be handy Mar 14 21:11:08 I was last here ~7 hours ago; it has taken me until this very moment to get irssi running under meego Mar 14 21:11:25 * bobnxs had other sh*t going on, but still Mar 14 21:11:45 10 minutes to compile; 6 hours and 50 minutes sleeping? :-) Mar 14 21:12:03 you kidding? i had to fight dependencies every step of the way! Mar 14 21:12:10 to compile? Mar 14 21:12:11 20 minutes to compile; 6:40 sleep Mar 14 21:12:15 yeah Mar 14 21:12:20 to config, namely Mar 14 21:12:31 that's not specific to meego Mar 14 21:12:38 oh i know :) Mar 14 21:12:52 not complaining. i love the distro and i want it to take off. just telling a tale. Mar 14 21:13:24 maybe you can shed some light on something the config script was telling me tho? Mar 14 21:13:34 bobnxs: is it on the OBS ? Mar 14 21:14:08 you're going to have to expand that abbrv for me Mar 14 21:14:21 bobnxs, think of getting irssi working like tending to a bonsai tree :) you will get many hours of peace now the work is done. Mar 14 21:14:21 * timeless_w7ip ponders Mar 14 21:14:28 haha yes! Mar 14 21:14:28 we have a community build system (and a core one) ... OBS Mar 14 21:14:33 is it possible my PVR gets DST wrong? Mar 14 21:14:33 perfect analogy Mar 14 21:14:42 one still needs to figure out the dependences to put on the .spec file before uploading to the OBS Mar 14 21:14:44 timeless: totally Mar 14 21:14:48 timeless_w7ip: rofl Mar 14 21:14:53 * lcuk is fixing an n8x0 bug Mar 14 21:14:54 brecause it thinks it's 10:12pm Mar 14 21:15:01 s/br/b/ Mar 14 21:15:02 timeless_w7ip meant: because it thinks it's 10:12pm Mar 14 21:15:05 *every* DST we check Myth ... Mar 14 21:15:12 *every* time I 'fix' it... Mar 14 21:15:17 but it's a bitch to test Mar 14 21:15:37 * timeless_w7ip sighs Mar 14 21:15:47 lbt: heh Mar 14 21:15:56 so, i missed half of bourne identity Mar 14 21:16:08 that's what TPB is for... Mar 14 21:16:08 * timeless_w7ip wonders how to fix the DVR Mar 14 21:16:18 bigger hammer Mar 14 21:16:19 ;) Mar 14 21:16:33 the stupid thing is that this is coming from a cable stream Mar 14 21:16:35 what kind? Mar 14 21:16:39 you'd think the EPG would be correct Mar 14 21:16:59 can you get a term? Mar 14 21:17:23 lbt: is there an image for gma 500 netbook ? Mar 14 21:17:36 it's a handan cv5500 or something Mar 14 21:17:40 * timeless_w7ip shrugs Mar 14 21:17:44 that works Mar 14 21:17:44 wtf... ok o__o Mar 14 21:17:48 rebooting it (power cycle) fixes the clock Mar 14 21:17:53 vlj: not something I'd know Mar 14 21:17:56 then stop wondering! ;) Mar 14 21:18:23 anybody clue me in: installed glib 2.6.something and config kept reporting 2.24.2 Mar 14 21:18:32 built fine once i configged to disable that test Mar 14 21:18:59 bobnxs: what OS do you normally run ? Mar 14 21:19:24 and are you developing on a meego device? Mar 14 21:21:00 arfoll: ping Mar 14 21:22:40 wait srry, meatspace stuff Mar 14 21:22:52 np Mar 14 21:23:43 * lbt is telling his wife to IM him ..... she's sitting behind me and now she's throwing things... Mar 14 21:24:06 lbt haha Mar 14 21:24:41 * timeless_w7ip warns lbt about the hazards of self references in the third person Mar 14 21:25:11 too many people make the mistake of talking about the IRC Narrator Mar 14 21:25:44 * lbt feels humbled Mar 14 21:26:28 thiago: oh, so that's the correct parsing!, thanks, i always wondered Mar 14 21:31:01 lcuk: would it be wrong for me to reply "no, i'm not interested in playing hunt the wumpus" in bug 14224? Mar 14 21:31:04 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14224 is not accessible Mar 14 21:31:08 oh brother Mar 14 21:31:14 * timeless_w7ip kicks something Mar 14 21:31:23 ouch! Mar 14 21:31:41 gabrbedd: no fair Mar 14 21:31:53 there's actually a "someone" nick on some of the networks i use Mar 14 21:32:03 and there's also a "self" nick on some networks i use Mar 14 21:32:10 but it should be safe for me to kick "something" Mar 14 21:32:49 lcuk, anyway, the comment is Mar 14 21:32:51 "Have you submitted this patch to the upstream project? " Mar 14 21:33:46 eep, i got mail fromm nagios Mar 14 21:34:04 timeless_w7ip, is this one of those upstream is meego? Mar 14 21:34:18 no, upstream is "i have no clue and don't want to go fish" Mar 14 21:35:07 timeless_w7ip, perhaps someone here will do some investigation for you Mar 14 21:35:11 which project is it Mar 14 21:35:24 lcuk: can i cc you to the bug(s)? Mar 14 21:35:39 oops Mar 14 21:35:46 my web server ran out of disk space Mar 14 21:35:56 and nagios started paging me a day ago Mar 14 21:36:14 * timeless_w7ip kicks svn Mar 14 21:37:28 * timeless_w7ip tries to remember how to use svn switch Mar 14 21:43:58 gah! noone on the interwebs have any idea what the wetab extlinux password is :P Mar 14 21:47:43 hi Mar 14 21:47:55 vgrade: ping Mar 14 21:49:31 * timeless_w7ip pokes lcuk Mar 14 21:49:57 * lcuk emails sound recording of annoying beep back to timeless_w7ip Mar 14 21:50:46 lcuk: do you have a bugs.meego accout and would you mind if i cc'd you? Mar 14 21:51:29 on which bug, this one or just in general? Mar 14 21:51:32 will be the MeeGo 1.2 fully usable on N900? :) Mar 14 21:51:33 * lcuk has to specify Mar 14 21:51:34 leinir: Did you ask wetab ? And where does the password happen... at boot-up? Mar 14 21:52:51 gabrbedd: wetab, it seems, aren't too responsive... and German ;) but... yeah, it happens at bootup on the boot prompt (i'm doing the dual-boot thing and semi-hosed my extlinux.conf... which is where the trouble comes) Mar 14 21:53:18 i saw something for the default passwd somewhere Mar 14 21:53:44 lbt, pong Mar 14 21:54:08 -> msg Mar 14 21:55:43 leinir: Can you sudo? Does `sudo grep -i pass /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf` answer your question? Mar 14 21:57:01 gabrbedd: sorry, i wasn't clear enough - i can't get past the bootloader :P Mar 14 21:57:51 what would do me well is to know how to use the syslinux boot prompt to list the available kernels or somesuch... Mar 14 21:58:39 could it be wetab ? Mar 14 21:58:51 and user rot Mar 14 21:58:54 root Mar 14 21:59:45 lofty306: already tried the usual suspects... and it only asks for a password, not a user (this is the extlinux bootloader prompt, not gotten as far as loading the kernel yet) Mar 14 22:00:04 aahh Mar 14 22:00:41 leinir: ...or you could boot with a Live USB image, mount the hard drive, and fix extlinux.conf to remove (or reset) the password. Mar 14 22:01:40 gabrbedd: that is, if i could get it to boot from usb... but i can't get it to do that trick with the sensor key + power button... Mar 14 22:04:02 leinir: Most tablets I've encountered... if I tap on F10, F11, and F12 during the BIOS screen, I'll get boot options. Mar 14 22:04:15 I usually don't go back to see which one was the money key. Mar 14 22:04:28 gabrbedd, most boises also allow password on settings entry Mar 14 22:04:36 bioses Mar 14 22:05:15 lcuk: Well, he didn't say he was dealing with a BIOS password, but an extlinux password. Mar 14 22:06:16 * lcuk half an eye on Magnum Mar 14 22:06:49 just saw your last message and had bios password prompt there just a couple of days ago Mar 14 22:07:02 there was even one on the select boot menu afaik Mar 14 22:07:04 w00t_: You make me sad :-( Mar 14 22:07:19 Someone needs to poke achipa to accept vivainio's nomination. Mar 14 22:07:22 Jaffa: I make myself sad Mar 14 22:07:22 lcuk: Reminds me, my brother was trying to reset a BIOS password on a business class Thinkpad over xmas. That was a bad news project. :-/ They had a really good system for securing the bios password. Mar 14 22:07:31 but, I really wouldn't do anything useful Mar 14 22:08:04 gabrbedd, I have thinkpads here, yes actual physical security, like putting them in a safe Mar 14 22:11:37 Is there some handset's aut there with is running Meego? Mar 14 22:11:45 out* Mar 14 22:12:20 n900 Mar 14 22:12:22 lcuk: cc'd Mar 14 22:12:32 will check inthe morning timeless_w7ip o\ Mar 14 22:12:33 \o Mar 14 22:13:46 lcuk: well, it can be rooted... but it's definately not fun to do. Requires soldering and serial consoles and all sorts of crap. Mar 14 22:14:44 gabrbedd, sure Mar 14 22:14:56 * lcuk is vanishing to write stuff, bbl Mar 14 22:22:09 vgrade: ping Mar 14 22:32:38 lcuk: Nobody use Meego? Mar 14 22:55:12 leinir: I was thinking while driving... are you actually getting a password prompt... or a "boot:" prompt? Mar 14 22:55:51 When extlinux is in the MBR, it looks in the partition table for the bootable partition... and goes there to load stage 2. Mar 14 22:56:08 gabrbedd: well, if i press esc or tab i get a password prompt (a sort of window in front of the menu), but i /can/ get to the boot prompt by selecting something and going tabtabtabtab! like a crazy person... Mar 14 22:56:54 Right... yeah, it's booting off of /dev/sdb5, which is the /boot created by the meego installer Mar 14 22:57:35 leinir: Any luck doing a USB boot? Mar 14 22:58:39 istr meego installer asks if you want to create a bootloader password Mar 14 22:59:13 syslinux and extlinux are closely related Mar 14 22:59:16 no... but i'm downloading the official recovery image from wetab, let's see if that might not allow me to get to something with fdisk available so i can mark the right partition bootable :P Mar 14 22:59:35 ali1234: in fact, they are the same thing since version 4.00 Mar 14 23:00:11 therefore i would be looking closely at that recovery image for the bootloader config files to find the password :) Mar 14 23:00:50 Well, he can't boot MeeGo at all... so it doesn't sound to me like the problem is the password. But I dunno. :-) Mar 14 23:01:01 ali1234: the password isn't stored in clear text, otherwise it'd be much easier, as this is just the one the wetab ships with ;) Mar 14 23:01:16 The password issue is now circumvented, never mind that one ;) Mar 14 23:01:31 i don't like things with passwords where i don't know the password Mar 14 23:02:02 ali1234: you're not alone :P Mar 14 23:02:31 Well, extlinux.conf stores the md5 or sha1 hash of the password... so you can get CosmoHill to use his cluster for a brute force attack. :-) Mar 14 23:02:55 um... can't you just modify the config and remove the password? Mar 14 23:03:12 or is that how you broke it in the first place :) Mar 14 23:03:32 but it's really a detail, if i'd thought a bit more on the topic, i could've simply removed/replaced/whatever that password... but i made a stupid and copied over the wetab extlinux.conf into the tablet ux installed /boot... which isn't, it seems, structured entirely correctly... and i'm now unable to do much ;) Mar 14 23:03:52 ali1234: i can't get to that disk's contents, that's the root of the issue ;) Mar 14 23:04:10 this is when you need the screwdriver with safety bit set :) Mar 14 23:04:14 brute force is always more fun. :-p Mar 14 23:04:18 gabrbedd: if it's md5, an ordinary pc can break it in ~40minutes Mar 14 23:05:19 gabrbedd: after much thought and swearing I've decided that blender can to to hell Mar 14 23:51:40 More tegra2 progress, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg60SfEaMoA Mar 14 23:52:38 cool :) Mar 14 23:52:39 :) Mar 14 23:57:53 not bad for sw rendering Mar 15 00:04:38 catch you guys tomorrow Mar 15 01:01:23 night ngiht Mar 15 02:16:49 hi guys Mar 15 02:17:26 anyone here who has worked with Meego IVI recently? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:56 2011