**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 24 02:59:58 2011 Mar 24 05:28:41 hi Mar 24 05:29:04 hey Mar 24 05:32:37 :) Mar 24 06:00:29 bapper: have a good sleep Mar 24 07:40:10 morning Mar 24 08:01:30 REMINDER: MeeGo N900 DE common software (hardware adaptation also included) meeting in #meego-meeting in 5 minutes Mar 24 09:36:53 lbt: ping Mar 24 09:37:14 pong Mar 24 09:37:38 need the community OBS, my meego.com account is arunravi Mar 24 09:37:54 and am working for DE Mar 24 09:38:11 done Mar 24 09:38:58 thanks Mar 24 09:58:01 Does anyone know of any meego python packages using yaml? Mar 24 09:58:47 ask the meego-python@ mailing list? Mar 24 09:59:15 Stskeeps, didn't know there was one! i'll have a search through the archives Mar 24 11:17:25 hi Mar 24 11:17:37 is it possible to run meego image for netbooks on x64 system? Mar 24 11:18:07 Morning, all Mar 24 11:18:19 morn jafa Mar 24 11:20:05 naquad: should be, as most 64 bit machines run in 32 bit mode :P Mar 24 11:20:45 alterego, ok. i'm downloading image atm, want to run it with qemu-kvm. Mar 24 11:21:48 yeah, kvm works fine for me running 3wbit under 64 bit Os, it's the otherway around you can't do ;) Mar 24 11:22:03 Hey vgrade-nexus Mar 24 11:22:25 morning Mar 24 11:23:30 did you confirm the venue for the 20th? Mar 24 11:33:52 when i try to boot meego with qemu i get the following error: [drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module - any ides how to fix this? Mar 24 11:59:47 naquad: thing is, qemu doesn't emulate any graphics card, and it seems that meego requires intel graphics (at least on x86) Mar 24 12:00:37 ar, any ideas what should i do with it to make it work? Mar 24 12:05:23 naquad: try to disable KMS/ the i915 module Mar 24 12:05:25 naquad, do you have i915 chipset? Mar 24 12:06:34 lcuk2: "naquad | when i try to boot meego with qemu (...)" Mar 24 12:27:17 ar arrrr Mar 24 12:27:50 w00t_, bug 14266 has been prioritised by Jessica Mar 24 12:27:53 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 nor, Medium, ---, viroteck, ASSI, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard Mar 24 12:27:59 so i see :) Mar 24 12:28:03 so any ideas? it seems that thing can't run in any kind of emulators at all :( Mar 24 12:28:05 my microsd should be arriving today Mar 24 12:28:53 i've compiled qemu according to instruction at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu - that didn't help either (yeah, i know its about arm, but i thought it could work out for i386( Mar 24 12:28:54 ) Mar 24 12:29:53 naquad, not sure about the complexities of qemu then as ar pointed out.. someone else might Mar 24 12:30:09 what spec is your host machine Mar 24 12:30:33 lcuk2, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+, 2GB RAM, Arch Linux distro Mar 24 12:30:47 2.6.37 kernel Mar 24 12:32:11 naquad, what graphics card? Mar 24 12:32:24 nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GT] (rev a1) Mar 24 12:32:48 :D heh 7600GT is awesome Mar 24 12:32:59 box is quiet old, i know :) Mar 24 12:33:04 not that it helps you run meego Mar 24 12:33:52 i've tried another box with intel processord and ati radeon hd4870, x64 too, same story Mar 24 12:34:21 well (I think) the error you have is qemu trying to load the intel graphics driver Mar 24 12:34:24 naquad: tried disabling kms in the image? Mar 24 12:34:26 which neither machine has available Mar 24 12:34:40 jonner, hm, how do i? Mar 24 12:34:45 nokms kernel arg? Mar 24 12:35:02 jonnor, ^^ sorry Mar 24 12:35:07 completion sometimes sux Mar 24 12:35:10 naquad: nomodeset or somesuch. Documented on Arch wiki under KMS Mar 24 12:35:22 or the Intel page Mar 24 12:38:16 jonnor, did nomodeset i915.modeset=0 - same story Mar 24 12:52:12 naquad: strange. What if you do i915.blacklist=yes ? Mar 24 12:52:23 one sec, doing that Mar 24 12:52:46 same again Mar 24 12:53:07 which Meego image? Mar 24 12:53:19 meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img Mar 24 12:55:03 naquad: I'd try a 1.2 prerelease. Also, there is a wikipage about Meego Netbook 1.1 and virtualbox. It might contain relevant information Mar 24 12:55:26 jonnor, where is that page? i didn't find any :( Mar 24 12:57:22 * lcuk giggles at Duke Nukem Forever article Mar 24 13:05:07 naquad: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Mar 24 13:05:11 it was 1.0 apparently Mar 24 13:06:57 jonnor, thank you, seems to be working Mar 24 13:14:11 apt-get install sandwich Mar 24 13:16:30 lcuk: sounds good Mar 24 13:18:00 hrm, is it me or is there a random line break in the MXR description @ http://meego.com/developers Mar 24 13:18:18 jonnor, what should i do in case when uxlaunch crashes all the time? Mar 24 13:21:50 timeless_w7ip, looks that way. But I just tried something and not got an answer yet Mar 24 13:21:58 timeless_w7ip, it says I can use mxr to look up anything Mar 24 13:22:02 I entered "meaning of life" Mar 24 13:22:28 "Sorry, it looks like our servers are having trouble! Mar 24 13:22:28 Please try your request again or use the links below to report the issue." Mar 24 13:32:05 what do I need to do if I wanted to reserve #meego-meeting and occupy the meetbot Mar 24 13:32:21 ~haveameegomeeting Mar 24 13:32:22 well, haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Mar 24 13:32:58 thanks infoboot Mar 24 13:50:30 Installing Meego Handet on n900 will leave the Maemo install intact, right? Mar 24 13:50:43 yes, if you do it right Mar 24 13:51:42 Stskeeps: I'm assuming http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 documents the right way? Mar 24 13:51:54 wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC too Mar 24 13:52:05 stskeeps: so i'm looking at https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AigJOFz-h_P4dE1ESTh4NkhHVGJtcmxBeHpXYmNaX1E&hl=en Mar 24 13:52:21 * timeless_w7ip is trying to figure out what the top 50 people do Mar 24 13:52:24 FEA#'s Mar 24 13:52:42 oh Mar 24 13:52:43 joy Mar 24 13:52:51 good point Mar 24 13:53:37 so a FEA is defined as a bug whose summary contains [FEA] ? Mar 24 13:53:51 well timeless_w7ip if you opened it for editing we oculd write on what each person does Mar 24 13:54:13 like #8 is Sage on the N900 adaption team Mar 24 13:54:52 lcuk: done. have at it Mar 24 13:54:56 \o Mar 24 13:55:11 Stskeeps: ok, thanks Mar 24 13:55:16 oh, i have reported 3 bugs :d Mar 24 13:55:37 one is meta for FEA# Mar 24 13:55:38 :D Mar 24 13:56:12 iekku: technically these numbers are not accurate Mar 24 13:56:16 21 bugs for me Mar 24 13:56:23 e.g. if you query for me, you won't see the same number as in the report Mar 24 13:56:53 timeless_w7ip, why did you make this? Mar 24 13:57:16 a comment i want to write on bug 9943 i think Mar 24 13:57:17 I'm #8 in what? Mar 24 13:57:18 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, NEED, Some Bugs are confidential in this open source project Mar 24 13:57:41 sage: number of bugs filed that i can see Mar 24 13:57:52 which should be roughly equivalent to number of bugs filed Mar 24 13:58:17 oh.... Mar 24 13:59:28 timeless_w7ip, I have filled a few others in there, other folks need to login and do more though :$ Mar 24 13:59:30 https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AigJOFz-h_P4dE1ESTh4NkhHVGJtcmxBeHpXYmNaX1E&hl=en Mar 24 14:00:21 * timeless_w7ip wonders what a [REG] is Mar 24 14:00:28 regression? Mar 24 14:00:48 those are members of the reggae music band. Mar 24 14:00:49 yes Mar 24 14:01:02 7 people in top 50 are not Intel employees :) Mar 24 14:01:57 :) Mar 24 14:02:11 sage, Intel have a longer history, wasn't the database imported directly from moblin Mar 24 14:02:19 no Mar 24 14:02:20 bug 1 Mar 24 14:02:22 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot Mar 24 14:02:31 the long tail of others though should hopefully be a more balanced mix Mar 24 14:02:35 look at date Mar 24 14:02:45 ahh Stskeeps was thinking those were imported Mar 24 14:02:47 like bug 440 Mar 24 14:02:50 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi Mar 24 14:03:00 which DID come from there Mar 24 14:03:16 hence thinking that other of those early ones would Mar 24 14:07:17 https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=short_desc&type0-0-0=notsubstring&value0-0-0=[FEA]&reporter=gavin.hindman@intel.com Mar 24 14:07:25 is the query i'm using to review people fwiw Mar 24 14:07:37 did sami just manually enter 1400 bugs one after the other, or were they exported from some other document do you think Mar 24 14:07:55 prolly inported Mar 24 14:08:52 Heh Mar 24 14:09:02 yeah Mar 24 14:09:43 heh, didn't even remember my first bugs :) Mar 24 14:10:03 sage, most people don't Mar 24 14:10:32 "umbilical cord connected" Mar 24 14:11:44 note to self: sort by bug # Mar 24 14:14:03 \o/ navtec are trialing/implementing indoor navigation :D Mar 24 14:14:16 rolling out to a set of malls in the US :) Mar 24 14:14:38 oh if people could confirm + remove the ?'s i'd appreciate it Mar 24 14:14:44 http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12713_NavTeq_announce_their_indoor_n.php Mar 24 14:35:48 Hi Bob, Mar 24 14:35:48 Sorry you've been having trouble logging into your Facebook account. Mar 24 14:36:21 Dear Facebook, (a) I am not Bob. (b) I did not try to log in. KTHXBYE. Mar 24 14:40:40 lcuk: at least you weren't signed up for mailing lists from the ronald reagan library Mar 24 14:41:37 timeless_w7ip, I am not surprisingly signed up to quite a number of things Mar 24 14:41:58 but what would the Ronald Reagan library subscription offer? Mar 24 14:42:01 because you took the effort or because people can't spell their email address? Mar 24 14:42:15 email from a library about a dead president whom i didn't like? Mar 24 14:42:47 well thankfully, many web signons now have verification stage, so I might get a number of you are signing up for ... Mar 24 14:42:51 but probably "please send money, k tanx, ps we R tx D-duct-Bill" Mar 24 14:43:12 this one forgot to implement that step :( Mar 24 14:43:25 but if I don't click the link to follow up they generally do not continue with signup Mar 24 14:43:26 "hi, we is incompetent" Mar 24 14:43:45 "just like our namesake" Mar 24 14:44:01 (actually, he wasn't as bad as some who followed him, but..) Mar 24 14:44:14 life. Mar 24 14:44:15 ... his solution was to spend the competition into failure Mar 24 14:44:30 it did work, but we're still paying for it Mar 24 14:45:24 yeah Mar 24 14:57:34 darn! Mar 24 14:57:39 lcuk; #41 Mar 24 14:58:27 timeless_w7ip, is that the answer to what I asked earlier? Mar 24 14:59:55 ps, the reggae playlist I started earlier is still playing, hadn't noticed how peaceful it was to have on in background :) Mar 24 14:59:57 it's the answer to the question for which i made my spreadsheet Mar 24 15:01:10 timeless_w7ip, ok, so what was that question? Mar 24 15:05:24 lcuk: who's actually involved in security related bugs Mar 24 15:07:40 well yes, that is predictable Mar 24 15:09:20 you could predict #41? Mar 24 15:09:36 anyway bug 9943 updated Mar 24 15:09:39 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, NEW, Some Bugs are confidential without reasonable justification Mar 24 15:11:06 timeless_w7ip, that there was more than a few Mar 24 15:12:57 * timeless_w7ip heasd out Mar 24 15:13:02 * timeless_w7ip heads out Mar 24 17:27:11 Nice, another piece opened: http://lists.ofono.org/pipermail/ofono/2011-January/007030.html Mar 24 17:27:37 (I had missed it) Mar 24 17:27:51 ah, cool Mar 24 17:28:35 might be useful on DE i think Mar 24 17:28:44 still useful to use a n900 as a modem at times :) Mar 24 17:35:18 For some reason that brought into mind the wargames modem where you put the headset into the receiver Mar 24 17:35:29 It'd certainly be amusing for modern cellphones Mar 24 17:36:59 "the wargames modem" :) Mar 24 17:38:47 I'm too young to have experienced them myself ;P Mar 24 17:41:52 Quick question: Its not possible to be logged in concurrently on two different devices with the same username on IRC is it ? Mar 24 17:42:00 correct Mar 24 17:42:09 i personally have a server i connect to Mar 24 17:42:17 with irssi on Mar 24 17:42:42 there might be irc bouncers that allow that tho Mar 24 17:42:46 true Mar 24 17:42:48 irssi-proxy? Mar 24 17:43:32 Cool. Thanks :-) *off to research irssi* Mar 24 17:44:33 research screen also Mar 24 17:47:46 there's also generic bouncers, but they tend to have history issues Mar 24 17:48:09 but haven't used those for a long while now Mar 24 18:53:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbBmfqQrsFg - this works just great :D Mar 24 19:12:34 * CosmoHill makes a note to violate his router with jump leads Mar 24 19:41:18 hello #meego Mar 24 19:54:42 hello niala1 Mar 24 19:59:20 hello CosmoHill how are you? Mar 24 19:59:42 mixed emotions, I'm not a teenager, I swear Mar 24 21:17:14 Hi Mar 24 21:17:30 iH Mar 24 21:17:34 someone here? Mar 24 21:17:48 500 of them Mar 24 21:17:51 the best netbook for MeeGo? Mar 24 21:18:14 lenovo ideapad Mar 24 21:18:36 but only because many others have it, therefore cheap support ;-) Mar 24 21:18:50 lenovo? Mar 24 21:18:51 Znk: Lenovo S10-3t ideapad with atheros wifi card. Mar 24 21:18:58 some form of inofficial reference device Mar 24 21:19:10 Znk: (Note that *many* ship with a broadcom card.) Mar 24 21:19:34 didn't broadcom sort out the drivers? Mar 24 21:19:42 ie that does not matter Mar 24 21:20:04 mikhas: It was the first convertable netbook with touchscreen to hit the market... so, yeah. Mar 24 21:20:32 gabrbedd, it has about the same spec as the lenovo x41 :P Mar 24 21:20:34 Im thinking in Asus EeePC 1005PXD but if you say that Lenovo is better... Mar 24 21:20:37 which I had for years Mar 24 21:20:43 infact - lower spec :P Mar 24 21:21:22 lcuk: AFAIK, broadcom still not sorted, yet. But there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Mar 24 21:21:32 In the store have the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 Mar 24 21:21:54 that light being a broadcom train? Mar 24 21:21:56 Znk: I'm not saying it's "better" -- I'm just saying that you can have my Ideapad when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Mar 24 21:22:22 haha Mar 24 21:22:33 it has a nice multi-touch capable display, if that counts Mar 24 21:22:53 Znk: The ASUS may be nice... I've just never played with one. For MeeGo you want an N450 processor, supported multi-touch touchscreen, and supported wifi card. Mar 24 21:23:33 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/215919/broadcom_joins_the_linux_foundation.html Mar 24 21:24:05 "Broadcom will continue to work on the Linux Driver Project, and it will also participate in The Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit, " Mar 24 21:24:32 that is coming up now isn't it? Mar 24 21:24:52 (tfa was from January) Mar 24 21:26:20 hmmm where i can buy the Lenovo that you say? im from spain :S Mar 24 21:28:17 Znk, goto hardware store: purchase 1 (one) flux capacitor, install into handy delorean, set dial to November 15th 2010, travel on highway at 88 (eighty eight) mile per hour. Mar 24 21:28:19 doesn't lenovo have a spanish website? Mar 24 21:28:44 i dont know, searching.... xD Mar 24 21:30:56 lcuk: Right... but an OSS driver for the Lenovo Broadcom Wifi cards is not in 1.1, and AFAIK will not be in 1.2 (at least... 2.6.37 didn't work for me!) Mar 24 21:47:43 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.html, Mar 24 21:48:22 404 vgrade Mar 24 21:49:06 not for me Mar 24 21:49:21 404 from here Mar 24 21:49:21 Oh, yeah it is Mar 24 21:49:28 porbably no trailing comma Mar 24 21:50:01 hurp no Mar 24 21:50:28 non us? Mar 24 21:51:06 vgrade is in the uk Mar 24 21:51:07 * lbt considers proxy via meego.com ... but my fingfds gone sleepy Mar 24 21:51:12 gabrbedd, vgrade it is the article about honeycomb Mar 24 21:51:20 just go to main page and link again Mar 24 21:51:24 maybe need the delorean with the flux thingy ? Mar 24 21:52:05 i got 404 when using the link (even removing the comma) but it is happy to be displayed via the main content page Mar 24 21:52:15 http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/memes-business-cat-take-this-job.jpg Mar 24 21:52:20 much better Mar 24 21:53:07 berndhs: I think they forgot to hook up the doll Mar 24 21:53:47 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm Mar 24 21:53:53 >>> everyday superhero >>> http://badassoftheweek.com/akaiwa.html Mar 24 21:54:10 * gabrbedd strokes chin thoughtfully... Mar 24 21:54:37 gabrbedd, I was just stroking mine when I read that - do you have a beard also? Mar 24 21:55:43 lcuk: I was reading that sentence and got kind of scared Mar 24 21:55:50 until the last two words. Mar 24 21:56:21 lcuk: No, or I would have said "beard" instead of "chin" Mar 24 21:56:26 lcuk: used to, though. Mar 24 21:58:11 vgrade, the wuestion is not whether code is being held back, it is if they have distributed things which use the code (which is where licensing things come in) Mar 24 21:58:21 if no distribution occured, why are we reading this article Mar 24 21:59:43 movie question: Comedy "The Other Guys" is it worth sitting through the DVD that is here? Mar 24 21:59:53 lcuk: Motorola Xoom is currenly shipping in the US with Honeycomb Mar 24 22:01:21 78% on rotton tomatoes - do you like Will Ferrell? Mar 24 22:01:49 only in certain films, zoolander tickled immensely Mar 24 22:03:32 lcuk, I thought it was interesting in light of, http://twitter.com/#!/Arubin/status/27808662429 Mar 24 22:06:20 vgrade, what is the repo command set in use there? Mar 24 22:07:01 :( Mar 24 22:07:07 that is depressing Mar 24 22:13:26 vgrade, how can meego usb key be made self creating - it is something I have pondered - take a running meego image, insert usb stick and have all apps and filesystem placed onto it. move to different computer and plug in to continue Mar 24 22:17:19 (also makes for awesome backup tool :O) Mar 24 22:18:12 lcuk: This is more or less what mic2 is doing to create the stick images. Mar 24 22:18:58 anyone know the weird licenses on the Qt SDK ? Mar 24 22:19:39 lcuk: So some motivated hacker could probably find a way pretty easily. Mar 24 22:20:23 gabrbedd, extra points for making prototype .ks from the same thing :O Mar 24 22:21:39 lcuk: Haha! Yeah. But even that should be pretty simple using zypper + python (or perl if you prefer) Mar 24 22:22:56 * lcuk has not seen backup/restore tool for meego yet I don't think. Mar 24 22:32:17 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/google-keeping-honeycomb-source-code-on-ice-says-its-not-ready/ Mar 24 22:33:15 i have long suspected that a lot of software is closed source to avoid embarassment Mar 24 22:34:05 meh Mar 24 22:36:22 I guess now the market has been captured its time for some payback Mar 24 22:37:52 whats the argument for me not putting HC on my tegra2 Mar 24 22:52:44 * CosmoHill crashes firefox with .,.... Mar 24 22:52:47 dammit, it recovered Mar 24 22:53:03 ha!@ Mar 24 22:53:19 "Firefox prevented 12883 pop-ups from opening" Mar 24 23:03:29 * w00t_ has now booked tickets to SFO and gotten an electronic entry thingy into the country \o/ Mar 24 23:05:43 \o/ Mar 25 01:01:16 ~bacon Mar 25 01:01:16 it has been said that bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... Mar 25 01:02:11 mmmmm.... Flockhart Mar 25 01:06:20 pigs probably frown on us eating bacon Mar 25 01:19:20 cyas Mar 25 01:21:59 night Mar 25 01:22:29 adieu Mar 25 02:13:34 morning Mar 25 02:13:52 evening Mar 25 02:42:15 good night everyone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 02:59:57 2011