**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 26 02:59:58 2011 Mar 26 03:04:57 two independent sets of get/set methods for the same thing? Mar 26 03:25:00 ali1234, I have not built on x64 and I know there are mistakes in there :$ Mar 26 03:25:09 I just have not had to build past them to date Mar 26 08:45:29 hi Mar 26 08:48:08 can someone help me with a xrandr problem? Mar 26 09:50:24 mornings here too :) Mar 26 10:02:53 morning Mar 26 11:09:17 Anything like `dig` on MeeGo ? Mar 26 11:12:19 Ah: adnshost (in adns-progs) Mar 26 11:27:46 Hi@all. Where can I grab the latest build of the MeeGo-img for netbooks online? Mar 26 11:29:54 I am talking of the developer builds, not the version u can grab on meego.com homepage Mar 26 11:30:04 repo.meego.com Mar 26 11:30:23 @stskeeps gonna have a look, thanks Mar 26 11:30:41 r4co0n: Look under "MeeGo/builds/" Mar 26 11:59:34 If the meegotouch "desktop" doesn't parse a .desktop file correctly... which program has the bug? Mar 26 12:00:06 meegotouch-home Mar 26 12:00:09 gabrbedd: in what way ? Mar 26 12:00:26 mdesktop stuff is in libmeegotouch Mar 26 12:00:49 alterego: Chokes on "MimeType=" because there's not a trailing semicolon Mar 26 12:01:13 alterego: If there's values, it's required to have a trailing semicolon (so I'm fixing those packages that fail to)... Mar 26 12:01:25 alterego: But if the field is blank, I think that's a legitimate value. Mar 26 12:01:42 As-is, the .desktop file gets rejected and the icon won't appear. Mar 26 12:01:45 Hrm Mar 26 12:02:12 Strange, I thought .desktop was a .ini format, which is probably wrapped by QSettings? Mar 26 12:02:37 But for sure there are mdesktopentry etc stuff in libmeegotouch Mar 26 12:02:45 It is... but MimeType is an "array" field thingie. Mar 26 12:02:48 OK, thanks. Mar 26 13:12:16 how do i get a xorg.conf file? Mar 26 13:12:36 Hoho: why do you want one? Mar 26 13:13:02 i conected a LCD via lvds Mar 26 13:13:17 and now is the Hsync and the vsync wrong Mar 26 13:13:52 and the driver cant read it cause the LCD is old and has no EDID port Mar 26 13:13:59 Hoho: which driver? Mar 26 13:14:34 for the Intel GMA 3150 Mar 26 13:15:28 my board is a Asus AT4NM10-I Mar 26 13:15:40 and the LCD is a Toshiba LTM10C286 Mar 26 13:15:40 Hoho: you can use xrandr to set the right mode. If you want the settings to be persistent, you can write the xorg.conf yourself Mar 26 13:15:58 yes i tried that manyy times Mar 26 13:16:14 you tried what? and how did it not work? Mar 26 13:16:58 i created a new mode with xrandr --newmode Mar 26 13:18:17 Hoho: don't create an xorg.conf file... instead put the parts you need in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-my-monitor.conf Mar 26 13:18:29 ah ok Mar 26 13:18:38 thanks man i try that Mar 26 13:18:49 Hoho: If I understand correctly, making an xorg.conf might short-circuit the files in that folder (and you need them!) Mar 26 13:26:49 Hoho: when using xrandr, you need to set the mode after creating it Mar 26 13:31:33 you mean --addmode? Mar 26 13:32:40 Hoho: yes, and --mode Mar 26 13:35:28 jeah i did that Mar 26 15:14:53 thanks to google, who is going to close the android codebase from honeycomb, meego is way more attractive Mar 26 15:18:01 They are??/ Mar 26 15:18:17 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm Mar 26 15:18:36 xxiao: Incorrect. Mar 26 15:18:45 xxiao: They've said they're keeping Honeycomb closed for now. Mar 26 15:19:03 i consider it's a trick, note: big players are selling honeycomb now Mar 26 15:19:08 And the Ice Cream (or Indigestion or whatever) will be open again Mar 26 15:19:26 Well, Honeycomb is an intermediate release they are ashamed off, that is all it says Mar 26 15:19:37 xxiao: Big players are part of the OHA. Google has the source closed outside of the OHA Mar 26 15:19:43 Meego Tablet UI is not open sourced either at the moment Mar 26 15:19:55 xxiao: Also, big players are shipping WP7, but that doesn't mean they have the source code. Mar 26 15:21:32 sigh Mar 26 15:21:53 * xxiao will attend Randall Arnold's meego talk in Austin next week Mar 26 15:22:27 xxiao: Oh, what's Texrat saying? Mar 26 15:22:44 http://texaslinuxfest.org/sessions/what-are-prospects-open-source-mobile-ecosystem Mar 26 15:23:17 \o/ w00t_ (bug 14266) Mar 26 15:23:20 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard Mar 26 15:25:42 RST38h: actually, tablet is now Mar 26 15:26:01 lcuk: :) Mar 26 15:26:02 w00t_: I really missed the announcement on that. Mar 26 15:26:12 w00t_: where is the announcement? Mar 26 15:26:34 there wasn't really an announcement, perhaps it isn't a completely finished process yet Mar 26 15:26:40 lcuk, had time for testing the resolution stuff? Mar 26 15:27:00 but, e.g. http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nokia-n900-meego-12-development-release.html Mar 26 15:29:24 mikhas, vgrade was building and looking this weekend - he has multiple devices and builder etc Mar 26 15:30:32 lcuk, the reason I got for hardcoding was btw that the resolution would be incorrect if one wanted to develop and test MeeGo Touch apps on the desktop Mar 26 15:31:18 so instead of fixing it for users and integrators, we "fix" it for developers ;-) Mar 26 15:32:50 mikhas, that is understandable of course Mar 26 15:34:04 w00t: Ah, they opened the source? =) Mar 26 15:34:10 RST38h: yes Mar 26 15:34:12 Joy joy joy =) Mar 26 15:35:02 lcuk, it is understandable that developers are lazy? Mar 26 15:36:28 mikhas, understandable that it is easier to size lock than to design fluid layouts Mar 26 15:36:52 lcuk, the layouts *are* fluid Mar 26 15:36:58 that's the biggest shame Mar 26 15:37:40 sure, they look best at a *certain* resolution, but the layouts scale correctly Mar 26 15:38:13 lcuk, and I very much doubt that fixed size layouts are easier Mar 26 15:39:06 my own experience tells me that building fluid layouts is less work eventually, whereas with fixed sizes, you add so many assumptions in your code that changing one element in the UI *will* break everything Mar 26 15:39:20 xxiao: I'll be in Austin, too Mar 26 15:39:22 yeah mikhas - the real complex one is landscape/portrait Mar 26 15:39:27 (Lord willing / creeks don't rise) Mar 26 15:39:31 Fixed size shit should be avoided at any cost,right Mar 26 15:39:33 which requires specific wrangling Mar 26 15:39:52 It is less trouble for the artists, but lots of headache for developers to maintain Mar 26 15:39:57 lcuk, MeeGo Touch has those layout containers which automatically switch orientation for you Mar 26 15:40:50 but designers didnt understand it, and fucked it up Mar 26 15:41:13 it is a tough issue for sure Mar 26 15:41:23 RST38h, most of your stuff is fixed size though? Mar 26 15:41:34 based on the original resolution of whatever emulation it is? Mar 26 15:41:37 nope Mar 26 15:41:42 I scale up. Mar 26 15:41:46 gabrbedd: are you going to be in his session too? Mar 26 15:41:54 ok, slightly different Mar 26 15:42:11 For mobile devices, I have got a set of fixed scale ratios, to make things faster Mar 26 15:42:16 and more natural method to fit in many cases Mar 26 15:42:26 And I choose the best ratio for a given screen size/orientation Mar 26 15:42:41 For more capable devices, I just scaleup Mar 26 15:42:52 how do you get screen size ? Mar 26 15:43:04 On what platform? Mar 26 15:43:11 on any platform Mar 26 15:43:21 Unask the question. Mar 26 15:43:31 on MeeGo, the canonical form would be "QApplication::desktop()->screenGeometry()" Mar 26 15:44:07 since you are discouraged to use anything else but the provided Qt API anyway ;-) Mar 26 15:44:13 yeah we've been through that a few times, screenGeometry in physical size is off by as much as 50% Mar 26 15:44:25 so that may be the canonical answer, but its wrong :) Mar 26 15:44:40 berndhs, send a patch Mar 26 15:44:47 unless 50% is accurate enough Mar 26 15:44:52 which takes DPI into account, or whatever is missing Mar 26 15:44:55 the probelm is not in Qt actually Mar 26 15:45:10 hang on - berndhs specifically which systems have you seen it wrong? Mar 26 15:45:11 the DPI is wrong quite often Mar 26 15:45:23 isn't it that X doesn't report the correct DPI? Mar 26 15:45:31 seen it wrong on fedora, maemo, ubuntu Mar 26 15:45:42 this is not a new thing, its well known Mar 26 15:45:58 oh, its wrong on meego too Mar 26 15:46:05 20% or so Mar 26 15:46:16 "wrong", depends entirely on device Mar 26 15:46:22 yes Mar 26 15:46:30 and this is dpi wrong vs pixel counts wrong Mar 26 15:46:40 i got the sizes in millimeters from Qt and used a tape measure Mar 26 15:46:55 the results differ significantly Mar 26 15:47:00 berndhs, problem is that you plug it into a projector Mar 26 15:47:08 i trust the tape measure :) Mar 26 15:47:22 oh usre, projector is even more interesting Mar 26 15:47:28 which dpi does the system use for the projected result? Mar 26 15:47:30 s/usre/sure/ Mar 26 15:48:23 xxiao: Yes, I'll be attending it. Mar 26 15:50:57 getting back to layouts, mikhas much of the time there are real differences in how the components would be positioned Mar 26 15:51:23 lcuk, yes I get that Mar 26 15:51:27 gabrbedd: see you there then Mar 26 15:51:38 you'd want to have "intelligent" layouts Mar 26 15:51:48 sure Mar 26 15:51:51 that reflow stuff for you, based on some flexible rules Mar 26 15:52:06 "text labels can appear left or on top of a text entry" Mar 26 15:52:25 mikhas, yeah - example of infexible but resized display: Mar 26 15:52:27 http://liqbase.net/liq.20100705_030406.ctrlfile_picker.scr.png Mar 26 15:52:37 http://liqbase.net/liq.20100705_030458.ctrlfile_picker.scr.png (in portrait) Mar 26 15:52:39 sadly, no one invented such usable layouts for me Mar 26 15:52:57 hello every one...can I post here Question? Mar 26 15:53:07 taso, "dont ask to ask" ;-) Mar 26 15:53:15 okkk sry... Mar 26 15:53:51 mikhas, what would be good for that layout would be to rotate 90degrees the list and the thumbs Mar 26 15:53:56 lcuk, well, for grid layouts with equal elements you would adjust cols and rows Mar 26 15:53:58 rather than the whole thing Mar 26 15:54:07 amount of cols and rows I mean Mar 26 15:54:26 yeah, good point Mar 26 15:54:39 smart orientation change, I smell a patent there =p Mar 26 15:54:56 sigh, why cant QML focus on such stuff first Mar 26 15:55:16 plenty of time for QML to gain the skills :) Mar 26 15:55:27 now I get to live through that hype and are still left unsatisfied because layout engines are all dumb Mar 26 15:55:39 mikhas, install cloudgps on your n900 Mar 26 15:55:42 here it is...Lenovo s10-3 (not the touch) 1.1 meego and the problem is that disconnecting me from the wireless every 30" and reconnect again???what shoud I do??? I just Install it...thanks Mar 26 15:55:59 and rotate :) it is one of the nicest, simplest, slickest rotation layout animations seen Mar 26 15:56:28 Damian did some clever stuff and implemented it well Mar 26 15:57:16 mikhas, the toolbars around the edge slide offscreen and come back on in the new orientation Mar 26 15:57:29 whilst the map in the middle does the sweeping motion :) Mar 26 15:57:36 * lcuk awestruck :) Mar 26 16:00:38 taso, do other devices on your network have this disconnect problem? Mar 26 16:01:05 the ideapad here certainly doesn't unless I catch the wifi enable switch on the right hand side Mar 26 16:03:25 lcuk, temporarily hiding those UI elements where there is no sane transition is, of course, clever Mar 26 16:03:46 lcuk, did you notice that iPhone uses the most trivial of orientation animations? Mar 26 16:04:19 No I have 2 more Computers in this network and its ok...so what I have to try??? the message says " sorry we lost you signal, we try to reconnect" Mar 26 16:04:23 blends out landscape whilst blending in portrait, and then midway through the geometry of the UI elements suddenly switches Mar 26 16:05:18 I search on the forum about that but found nothing Mar 26 16:05:54 mikhas, I only rarely see specific things on other devices, I get shown games and stuff but don't really go into much depth Mar 26 16:06:15 taso, it does sound odd Mar 26 16:06:26 when it has signal, how good is it Mar 26 16:07:46 it shows me full....but when I try to open the browser I starts the same... Mar 26 16:08:12 taso, do yourself a favour, pickup ideapad Mar 26 16:08:17 pickup some beers Mar 26 16:08:21 go to friends house Mar 26 16:08:26 drink beers and play on their internet Mar 26 16:08:39 and see if it still disconnects on their wifi too Mar 26 16:09:22 :P I try it already mate...I have a looooot of open networks in my place... Mar 26 16:10:30 I don't think that it is a hardware problem because I have dual boot Xp on the same and it ok for xp Mar 26 16:11:04 U never heard the same prob before>??? Strange !!! Mar 26 16:11:51 taso, ok so you have just added specific info and confirmed different routers thing Mar 26 16:12:11 perhaps filing a bug and bringing it up on the ML will get some eyes Mar 26 16:13:42 ok mate...thanks a lot...:) Mar 26 16:24:28 mikhas, what are you doing today btw? Mar 26 16:26:22 taso: I have a colleague who just picked up a 3g hotspot, and we're seeing similar behaviour with the Lenovo S10-3t Mar 26 16:26:55 It has the Atheros built in. Annoyingly ones with Broadcom seem immune from the problem. Mar 26 16:27:15 taso: Did you/aare you filing a bug? Mar 26 16:28:39 lcuk, I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you Mar 26 16:30:15 not yet my friend...I want to search a little bit more....but if u want fill the bug... Mar 26 16:31:26 @pixelgeek I thing I will try to change the drivers or something like that Mar 26 16:31:37 pixelgeek I thing I will try to change the drivers or something like that Mar 26 16:31:43 mikhas, that is usual Mar 26 16:33:12 taso: yes, I suspect a driver setting/configuration compatibility with some Access points. Reverting to an older driver may give a clue as to when it changed. Mar 26 16:34:51 Yeah...I will try...if I find something I will post it in the forum as How to.... Mar 26 16:36:15 mikhas: Tell him!! Tell him, please!! Mar 26 16:36:21 :-P Mar 26 16:37:31 gabrbedd, I get the impression he would have to run around the entire room first if he told me here :P Mar 26 16:37:59 and since your nickname is before mine \o Mar 26 16:38:10 :-) Mar 26 16:38:16 hasta la vista! Mar 26 16:38:47 * lcuk was actually thinking more stuff away from meego - like normal life Mar 26 16:38:52 cinema etc ;) Mar 26 16:38:55 normal .. life? Mar 26 16:38:57 what is that Mar 26 16:39:10 yeah, I once read a webpage about it Mar 26 16:39:15 taso: can you confirm whether you have broadcom or Atheros wifi? Mar 26 16:39:20 should I try meego tablet or gnome 3 on my ideapad next? :) Mar 26 16:39:23 cinema ? you're supposed to watch IMAX movies on your 3 inch mobile screen :) Mar 26 16:39:24 lcuk: are you talking about the mysterious "real life" ? Mar 26 16:39:26 or unity!!!111ONE Mar 26 16:39:41 Life: that's where you actually /talk/ to the woman and the little people who live in your house. Mar 26 16:39:42 Robot101: unity is shit on the ip Mar 26 16:39:46 been there, tried that :D Mar 26 16:40:16 w00t_: is it better elsewhere? Mar 26 16:40:17 top bar is too small for touch Mar 26 16:40:24 mm, well, i don't actually mind it Mar 26 16:40:29 apart from the stupid menu hiding stuff Mar 26 16:40:40 I saw mpt flew off the handle about that, and got WONTFIX'd Mar 26 16:40:43 superb Mar 26 16:40:48 hey Mar 26 16:40:50 ! Mar 26 16:40:55 it's intentional? Mar 26 16:40:58 i always assumed it was a bug Mar 26 16:41:10 PatrickBic: o/ Mar 26 16:41:29 i installed grub on my meego and because there was no menu.lst file (in /boot/grub) i created one with the meego entry (title, kernel + boot) Mar 26 16:41:52 but it seems that the file isnt used by grub (being dropped to a grub shell).. if i enter my "commands" there it works just fine Mar 26 16:42:08 w00t_, menu hiding stuff? Mar 26 16:42:37 any idea why that happens? Mar 26 16:42:40 lcuk: menus are up on the top bar, right? they are invisible until you mouseover that top bar Mar 26 16:43:00 * lcuk stands up and gives that wild applause Mar 26 16:44:59 PatrickBic: MeeGo uses extloader by default (not grub). Mar 26 16:45:05 w00t_: nope, it's in the design... it's intentional Mar 26 16:45:19 they have a mad obsession with having invisible UI furniture Mar 26 16:45:28 it's utterly bizzare and totally horrific from a usability perspective Mar 26 16:45:37 +1 Mar 26 16:45:44 gabrbedd, i know Mar 26 16:45:51 thats why i said "i installed it" Mar 26 16:46:18 PatrickBic: Well, there's been a lot of confusion over the matter... so I was just making sure you knew what you knew. :-) Mar 26 16:46:39 PatrickBic: What version of grub did you install? Mar 26 16:47:33 0.97 Mar 26 16:49:51 gabrbedd, straight via zypper install grub Mar 26 16:50:07 but as i said no menu.lst :( Mar 26 16:50:37 PatrickBic: no grub.conf either ? Mar 26 16:51:03 whereis grub.conf reports no file Mar 26 16:51:10 where is it supposed to be in? Mar 26 16:51:20 it would be in the same place as menu.lst Mar 26 16:51:29 mhm... I didn't know grub was in the repos. Mar 26 16:51:32 ah ok, there is no .conf file Mar 26 16:52:05 Looks like grub 1... so it should be menu.lst (I think) Mar 26 16:52:23 would grub.conf have the same syntax as menu.lst has? Mar 26 16:52:56 yes grub.conf, menu.lst, grub.cfg are the same thing Mar 26 16:53:13 just has different names because of standardization :) Mar 26 16:53:17 so if i just cp the menu.lst file under a different name Mar 26 16:53:22 i am gonna be fine? Mar 26 16:53:29 (for a try-out) Mar 26 16:53:36 i dont know, i have seen them as soft links Mar 26 16:53:48 ls -s wasnt it? Mar 26 16:53:57 right Mar 26 16:54:22 oh checked it Mar 26 16:54:24 it was ln -s :P Mar 26 16:54:34 of course if you have none of them that doesnt help you Mar 26 16:55:40 ok i created those symbolic links Mar 26 16:55:45 time to try it :P Mar 26 16:57:23 berndhs, one of those symlinks works Mar 26 16:57:33 booting meego with the menu.lst file atm Mar 26 16:57:41 one of them has to be a real file of course :) Mar 26 16:59:11 i have grub.cfg and grub.conf pointing to menu.lst (real file) Mar 26 16:59:12 :) Mar 26 16:59:54 ok and now its time to get wpa_supplicant going :P Mar 26 17:09:43 PatrickBic: What build are you working on? Mar 26 17:09:50 Handset? Netbook? Mar 26 17:13:55 netbook Mar 26 17:26:12 * lcuk gets mikhas a medal Mar 26 17:43:53 mmm bacon and egg fried rice Mar 26 17:54:21 oh balls, looks like Adobe have dropped PowerPC support for Flash Mar 26 17:55:34 Ha Mar 26 17:55:43 That's excellent. Mar 26 17:56:08 CosmoHill, I sense some sort of venn diagram showing normal users, powerpc users and you in the middle :P Mar 26 17:56:35 I can understand CS and stuff, but flash is just a little plug in Mar 26 17:57:42 "just a little plugin" which happens to sport such things as a h.264 decoder and $deity knows what else under the hood Mar 26 17:58:17 part of a assignment I'm writing says how flash is a core part of the internet Mar 26 17:58:56 ooohh, do you want a nice quote from a popular science book? :) Mar 26 17:58:58 lies! Mar 26 17:59:23 Bostik: sure Mar 26 17:59:31 CosmoHill: I think you took the quote out of context. Mar 26 17:59:40 core part of the known internet would still be the root servers Mar 26 17:59:51 CosmoHill: The full quot e is "Flash is a core part of why the internet is a pain in the ass" Mar 26 18:00:03 the assignment is aimmed at non technical users Mar 26 18:00:23 and still wrong - as if Flash was the foundation of the interwebs Mar 26 18:00:24 Hey! There's always gnash, right? :-p Mar 26 18:00:32 CosmoHill: this is from "Science of Discworld", by Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen Mar 26 18:00:35 CosmoHill, Flash is a core part of the internet, protecting it from Ming the Merciless Mar 26 18:00:46 lcuk, hah! Mar 26 18:00:54 If you're gonna drop PowerPC support that's not gonna make me happy. what makes me angry is not telling me you've dropped it Mar 26 18:01:08 Unfortunately... flash accomplished what java didn't. And that's something. Mar 26 18:01:29 Like it or not... they got that mission accomplished. Mar 26 18:01:37 I saw a rather depressing flash clone of something yesterday and that made me a bit miffed Mar 26 18:02:47 CosmoHill: you could compare flash to excretion, and follow up with this one: "Triploblasts played a crucial role in evolution, precisely because they *did* have internal organs, and in particular they could ingest and excrete it. Their excreta became a major resource of for other creatures; [TBC on next line ...]" Mar 26 18:03:33 CosmoHill: the rest of the part - "to get an interestingly complicated world, it is vitally important that shit happens." Mar 26 18:05:25 Adobe don't give a PPC option on the download site but doesn't tell you it's been dropped Mar 26 18:05:43 Firefox doesn't tell you at all, my mac just went "wtf is this app? it's not PPC" Mar 26 18:06:25 some of my programs go "do you want me to download and install the new version" forgetting that the new version is intel only, meaning I have to go and fix the damn thing Mar 26 18:07:12 nice CosmoHill Mar 26 18:07:24 so how many powerpcs are there? Mar 26 18:07:34 they annoy me even more cos they don't give you an option to not check for updates Mar 26 18:07:45 in my bedroom, 2 that work Mar 26 18:08:56 CosmoHill: you are supposed to be a good follower of steve and buy his newest hardware Mar 26 18:08:58 there's not many ppc users, but it's about £2000 ish for the modern equiverlent of my mac Mar 26 18:09:36 given a choice between a new mac laptop and a car, I tried to go for the car Mar 26 18:10:10 CosmoHill, must be a small car to sit on your knee Mar 26 18:10:34 if it's on my knee it means the jack stand fell over Mar 26 18:10:52 heh Mar 26 18:11:10 my mate and I talked about me getting his car for ages Mar 26 18:11:22 then all of a sudden he had an offer and it was sold Mar 26 18:19:20 Nokia C5-03, any good? Mar 26 18:27:51 Wait for a MeeGo device? Mar 26 19:04:30 leinir, hardcore if so. Mar 26 19:04:55 lcuk: Hmm? :) Mar 26 19:05:48 leinir, multimedia - I twittered first before posting here ;) http://twitter.com/lcuk :P Mar 26 19:08:30 Aah ;) Mar 26 19:09:04 Yeah, well, basically yes - it's because we need to be able to call the C++ functions for vector arithmetic and such... it's a bit expensive to do in scripts :) Mar 26 19:10:07 you just hit on a roadblock that has impacted scripting from the year . Mar 26 19:10:34 window stick off Mar 26 19:10:35 and most common reason for the native language library bindings in script code :) Mar 26 19:12:34 leinir, what language is the qtscript emulating? Mar 26 19:12:59 It's not emulating ECMAScript, it's running on top of JavaScriptCore :) Mar 26 19:25:48 is the MeeGo current in repositories the Trunk or just 1.1? Mar 26 19:26:55 in the community obs that is Mar 26 19:31:36 hello all...I Have lenovo s10-3 and just install meego1.1 (dual boot xp) and I have the prob that it disconnecting me every 30sec and connect me again....usually when I use it...any suggestion ? Mar 26 19:31:53 and maybe some people might be interested that there was a recent code drop from intel into http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux Mar 26 19:32:41 probably the most interesting part is meego-ux-components Mar 26 19:34:26 hello Mar 26 19:35:06 taso, if I had to guess, it's a driver issue with the kernel Mar 26 19:35:23 taso, you can try opening a terminal and typing 'dmesg' Mar 26 19:35:58 and after that? Mar 26 19:36:02 taso: try updating, you can only download major versions of meego, I.E MeeGo 1.1, not MeeGo 1.1.4 Mar 26 19:37:23 maligor, for sure the new QML components from the tablet ux are cool, but how the repositories sit is a quesiton ongoing I believe - it also has issue about how to file bugs against them etc Mar 26 19:38:14 lcuk, hmm.. yes, that is a interesting question Mar 26 19:38:39 the think is that I dont have cable to connect by wire...only wireless, and when I try to update it disconnecting me and reconnect me very offen and its stops the update process so what to do? Mar 26 19:39:35 I asked here also before...but no one knows what happening Mar 26 19:40:02 lcuk, the normal bugzilla maybe? Mar 26 19:40:31 and I search maybe someone else have the same issue on the forum but not :/ Mar 26 19:40:32 bug 13701 as the guys in #meego-arm are already working on fixing up some of the issues and encountering this already Mar 26 19:40:34 I guess the tablet parts are a bit missing in it for proper reports tho Mar 26 19:40:35 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI Mar 26 19:41:16 maligor, the code just got published so it needs some time to get up and running Mar 26 19:41:35 lcuk, yeah, I'm probably one of the reasons it got published ;P Mar 26 19:41:42 I work for a subcontractor Mar 26 19:42:12 are you working on the components themselves or apps using them? Mar 26 19:42:19 the components Mar 26 19:43:14 top notch :D hopefully part of that is hanging around and offering to help some folks build excellent apps from them? :D Mar 26 19:43:43 well, I've always been a sucker for helping people Mar 26 19:44:01 I think it's a curse Mar 26 19:44:27 "What is a vampire?" Mar 26 19:45:43 mikhas, a curse of sucking people Mar 26 19:46:26 maligor, what is your favourite component within the new set of components? Mar 26 19:46:50 depends what you mean by components Mar 26 19:47:06 I haven't been working on the qml component set as such Mar 26 19:47:18 maligor: without the vampire context your last statement sounds very questionable Mar 26 19:47:23 I just think it's the coolest part of the dcode drop :P Mar 26 19:48:09 but if you mean the code repos as such, definately the qml component set Mar 26 19:50:27 I wrote a painting program before I even saw the ux component set :P Mar 26 19:50:47 using qml and a custom component, it's in my home repo Mar 26 19:50:48 maligor, which one Mar 26 19:51:55 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=CFPainter&project=home%3Avaltonen Mar 26 19:52:09 pretty much a learn qml project ;P Mar 26 19:53:23 maligor, ahh you are using c++ for the actual painting Mar 26 19:53:29 * lcuk thought you did all that in qml :P Mar 26 19:53:53 yes :P Mar 26 19:54:12 it was a port of something I did earlier, very simple Mar 26 19:54:42 indeed Mar 26 19:55:09 I'm also entirely unsure of the multitouch support in it Mar 26 19:55:43 I tested it in on one prototype, but it could've been the prototype or the program, very unstable tracking :P Mar 26 19:57:13 maligor, regarding your file numbering scheme Mar 26 19:57:18 use dates :) they are better Mar 26 19:57:22 and sharable ;) Mar 26 19:57:44 mm.. good idea Mar 26 19:57:50 you actually ran it? Mar 26 19:58:58 no Mar 26 19:59:39 maligor, did you give up the idea of saving thumbnails? Mar 26 19:59:56 how so? Mar 26 20:00:06 pretty sure it does that Mar 26 20:01:14 ahh probably deeper in Mar 26 20:01:53 * npm wants a qml element that gives "texture" to a scrollbar by making device vibrate when passing over interesting areas Mar 26 20:02:58 npm, there are loads of similar things Mar 26 20:03:08 ref? Mar 26 20:03:12 * lcuk personally wants book flapping noises (or wind) for scrolling Mar 26 20:04:17 for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_EJtCu46U i want the video on the page that's been turned to get quieter as the page gets closer to the next Mar 26 20:04:23 lcuk, quickly building it definately makes thumbs, can't remember the layout tho :P Mar 26 20:04:44 maligor, yeah I see passing the thumb filename into the savefile function Mar 26 20:06:29 maligor, should the thumbnails be produced by the normal system thumbnailer though? Mar 26 20:06:59 it wasn't originally a meego project as such Mar 26 20:07:25 and the normal system thumbnailer might be in a state of flux Mar 26 20:09:52 maligor, understood Mar 26 20:10:02 * lcuk has had similar things Mar 26 20:10:22 maligor, potentially though, for every file created the system thumbnailer will then create 2 thumbs Mar 26 20:10:31 because of the 2 image files you make Mar 26 20:21:18 lcuk, yeah, true, I don't think it makes sense to make into a real final 'product' before the platform comes out with a beta atleast :P Mar 26 20:24:45 just nice to have the tumbnails for the loader Mar 26 20:25:13 since I had to make my own "file browser" Mar 26 20:26:02 hi, all. good time of day. I confused with i18n. which whay is best now Mar 26 20:27:28 it looks I wrote app in old tr() style, now I must use qtTrId(). is this right for 1.1 and 1.1.2 sdk? Mar 26 20:27:57 tr is really deprecated? Mar 26 20:28:09 QObject::tr() of course Mar 26 20:28:46 please, help Mar 26 20:28:48 as far as I understand, the whole project is going towards using Qt proper for everything Mar 26 20:29:08 well, qt and qml Mar 26 20:29:45