**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 27 02:59:59 2011 Mar 27 06:11:31 I'm using Ubuntu10.10. Why can't I install meego SDK through HTTP proxy(connection failed)? Mar 27 06:11:31 I can update my OS and browse web via my proxy. Mar 27 06:42:57 I'm using Ubuntu10.10. Why can't I install meego SDK through HTTP proxy(connection failed)??? Mar 27 06:42:57 I can update my OS and browse web via my proxy. Mar 27 07:20:47 morning Mar 27 08:19:31 thiago_home: i've started reviewing presentations btw Mar 27 08:24:16 morn andre__ Mar 27 08:28:52 Stskeeps, heja! Mar 27 08:52:52 morning Mar 27 08:53:04 morn iekku Mar 27 08:55:06 took a while to understand why clocks aren't in same time in here Mar 27 08:55:09 hehe Mar 27 08:55:49 "what is wrong with my computer?" Mar 27 08:56:10 "am i so tired that time and space is falling apart around me?" Mar 27 08:56:36 Stskeeps, btw my win laptop works again, it was just too scared of all the open source people :D Mar 27 08:56:39 Stskeeps, yes :D Mar 27 09:25:56 hi, what is the best way to build against meego 1.0 and meego community 1.0 repos in OBS? Mar 27 09:26:13 pavlix: select the correct target Mar 27 09:26:55 so go to your home Mar 27 09:27:01 (or a sub proj) Mar 27 09:27:20 click Repositories Mar 27 09:27:23 Add Mar 27 09:27:38 ah, I see Mar 27 09:29:48 lbt: where do I get the community ones? Mar 27 09:29:49 ah, I probably know :) Mar 27 09:30:09 there are no community repos yet Mar 27 09:30:24 yep Mar 27 09:30:27 you mean Surrounds? the extra libs etc Mar 27 09:30:28 that's why I don't see them Mar 27 09:30:40 we'll probably set them up soon Mar 27 09:30:45 I've found some on the wiki Mar 27 09:31:35 so... add "MeeGo 1.1 Netbook" Mar 27 09:31:51 (I hope it also works for 1.0) Mar 27 09:31:53 and then go to Raw Config Mar 27 09:32:10 and edit the path to change 1.1 to 1.0 Mar 27 09:32:20 then, if it works, I'll add it Mar 27 09:32:52 lbt: I already have a basic 1.0 netbook repository added Mar 27 09:33:01 just without the community part Mar 27 09:33:28 does that build OK ? Mar 27 09:33:30 btw, what's this: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Repo ? Mar 27 09:33:34 lbt: yep Mar 27 09:33:51 lbt: I've been using it for at least a week Mar 27 09:34:36 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Apavlix Mar 27 09:34:37 it's "random binaries downloaded from the internet" :) Mar 27 09:34:46 ah :) Mar 27 09:34:58 that's a bit harsh really Mar 27 09:35:01 lbt: actually, what I need is to get multimedia libs, like libmss-devel Mar 27 09:35:02 they mean well Mar 27 09:35:32 but since MeeGo is all about fragmented communication .... Mar 27 09:35:43 I either start adding these one by one to my repo... or use some repository Mar 27 09:35:57 yep... I understand that Mar 27 09:37:59 lbt: ok, what's your suggestion? :) Mar 27 09:38:55 what do you want? a quick hack or something that will last for more than a year or so? Mar 27 09:41:47 lbt: the latter if it's not too time-consuming, otherwise the former :) Mar 27 09:42:39 we're working on the latter... however... if more people spend time on the quick hack, the longer it takes... Mar 27 09:43:09 let's say I'm delivering my prototype on wednesday :) Mar 27 09:43:36 so if we're talking about weeks, I need the quick hack :) Mar 27 09:43:40 prototype=quick hack Mar 27 09:43:58 exactly Mar 27 09:44:10 but if you think you want anything reliable then that repo should not be considered part of the solution Mar 27 09:44:21 ok Mar 27 09:44:40 so you should factor in a managed areas of shared libs etc as part of your solution Mar 27 09:45:13 be clear about what you take from the c_repo and recognise that those libs need maintaining Mar 27 09:45:15 I could still do the handwork variant Mar 27 09:45:20 you will need to do that Mar 27 09:45:27 but if you do it in Surrounds Mar 27 09:45:40 you'll get support and are more likely to get help Mar 27 09:45:53 especially for important mmedia libs/apps Mar 27 09:45:58 ok Mar 27 09:46:18 Surrounds also is likely to be a proving ground into core Mar 27 09:46:31 it's also not compliant Mar 27 09:46:51 ok .. bbiab Mar 27 09:48:20 hi lbt Mar 27 09:49:35 any further success in team spaces on obs ? Mar 27 09:55:25 meego surrounds seems to be rather unknown yet Mar 27 09:56:28 good morning guys Mar 27 09:57:20 ah, all these repos are empty! Mar 27 09:59:46 btw, who is zigbee? Mar 27 10:24:07 moo wazd Mar 27 10:24:49 hmm, I thought it was possible to branch meego projects Mar 27 10:24:58 it is, from command line Mar 27 10:25:13 hmm, let's learn the command line :) Mar 27 10:25:46 jbos_away: same thing - propose one, explain why it's needed and how it'll be managed Mar 27 10:26:15 pavlix: osc branch MeeGo.com:Trunk acl for instance Mar 27 10:27:04 lbt: I see there's nothing in the Surrounds... so I'd like to go for zigbee's community repo which seems to be the only non-manual option now Mar 27 10:27:22 and it's already prepared :) Mar 27 10:27:36 so if you need to fill Surrounds, you have where to take from :) Mar 27 10:27:43 (same for Apps) Mar 27 10:28:59 morning Mar 27 10:29:41 CosmoHill: hi Mar 27 10:29:49 pavlix: sure - my point is that if you release a 'product' based on zibee's repo then you'll get bitten eventually Mar 27 10:29:52 Stskeeps: thanks Mar 27 10:30:09 of course it's the right thing to use for a prototype for next week Mar 27 10:31:30 lbt: actually, I am curious why is zigbee's work getting to Surround/Apps or what blocks getting there some packages for the beginning Mar 27 10:31:32 however there are no security checks, no-one maintains it, there's no QA ... it's just like building cool stuff by dumpster diving... great for one-off but not exactly reliable in the long term Mar 27 10:32:08 pavlix: read this http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html Mar 27 10:32:11 all of it Mar 27 10:32:16 lbt: thanks Mar 27 10:32:35 * pavlix dives deep in reading Mar 27 10:32:37 it's not a simple thing ... and of course there is a balance to be struck Mar 27 10:33:12 zigbee is at the chaotic end .. I think we need something that is more formal but still quite responsive Mar 27 10:33:51 my quality/process aim is probably lower than almost any other major distro Mar 27 10:34:13 do you count gentoo as a major distro? Mar 27 10:34:22 I'm I correct in thinking that pavlix has a package in his RPM repo that relieses on someone else's package in their repo? Mar 27 10:34:44 CosmoHill: not exactly Mar 27 10:35:16 ali1234: Gentoo is like Ikea Mar 27 10:35:17 CosmoHill: to be more precise, it depends funcionally, not build Mar 27 10:35:36 CosmoHill: I like Ikea :) Mar 27 10:36:10 it's more like mfi Mar 27 10:36:26 the last time I went to Ikea it was stuck in the back of the car lend over cos my parents bought a big desk Mar 27 10:37:49 pavlix: so his package provides something your package needs Mar 27 10:38:22 CosmoHill: yep Mar 27 10:38:29 you could either contact the guy to make sure the package is available for you or you could copy his .spec file into your repo and built it for yourself Mar 27 10:38:30 CosmoHill: probably many things Mar 27 10:39:06 the issue with the latter is that there are two copies of the package by different people Mar 27 10:39:21 CosmoHill: let's say I need gst-plugins-bad (apart from other stuff)... it depends on lots of -devel packages Mar 27 10:39:47 are you building locally or on the OBS? Mar 27 10:40:09 CosmoHill: in the OBS, except some closed-source stuff Mar 27 10:42:20 might be an idea to get in contact with the guy, that way if you do need to move his packages into your repo he can help you Mar 27 10:42:55 * CosmoHill goes to do his work he was meant to do last week Mar 27 10:47:38 it might be Mar 27 10:50:44 pavlix: could you try something for me Mar 27 10:51:17 remove the from your 1.0_core_netbook entry here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Apavlix Mar 27 10:51:47 I added that path to the Netbook repo so it should get it from there Mar 27 10:52:58 lbt: sure Mar 27 10:59:39 can i somehow get conman to support wpa2 based networks using peap and mschapv2? Mar 27 10:59:55 lbt: I did, it looks ok, but I'm not sure Mar 27 10:59:56 i am trying to get a working wpa_supplicant conf file but havent been lucky so far.. :( Mar 27 11:00:45 and I lost Fedora14 target somehow Mar 27 11:00:47 pavlix: trigger a rebuild of clutter? Mar 27 11:01:10 the fedora thing may be because opensuse is down at the moment Mar 27 11:01:21 https://api.opensuse.org/ Mar 27 11:01:24 ok Mar 27 11:01:40 lbt: I would... but I don't see a way to do that Mar 27 11:02:39 apart from changing the files ;) Mar 27 11:02:51 but I'm sure it was somewhere Mar 27 11:04:57 go to the build log Mar 27 11:06:56 ah, there it is :) Mar 27 11:08:26 lbt: I don't see any effect of it Mar 27 11:08:35 no rebuilding Mar 27 11:15:32 no way to do this? :( Mar 27 11:15:50 Stskeeps: I will during the week Mar 27 11:16:12 btw... I can't use osc because of some certificate related errors Mar 27 11:16:59 lbt, ye i must admit that it is hard to write this team obs proposal. Mar 27 11:17:01 :) Mar 27 11:17:35 jbos_away: don't overdo it ... Mar 27 11:17:37 i actually made some notes but got my self stuck and in need to learn lot more about all this to get somewhere reasonable Mar 27 11:18:23 (also working in fennec and peregrine kept me busy :) ) Mar 27 11:19:04 so did anything actually change on the situation? or is it still exactly the same? Mar 27 11:19:50 not much changed ... but I think maybe I was asking for too much without thinking it through Mar 27 11:21:10 just some common sense things : who's involved, what the project scope is Mar 27 11:22:04 what i thought was that at first it should be really simple - complexity will come with the time. it should definitly be in some relationship with an upstream project, so at least an ok by some responsible person should be needed Mar 27 11:22:25 so not that i can just make and Team KDE project and nobody from KDE knows about it Mar 27 11:22:34 this would be contraproductive Mar 27 11:23:32 you might want to have somekind of submission form, with contact data, maintainer, project name, names of people who can commit/push packages. Mar 27 11:24:17 is there some way to get an openssh server onto meego (beside compiling it on my own)? Mar 27 11:24:42 PatrickBic: zypper in openssh-server Mar 27 11:25:11 there should be resonable (but not to complicated) way to ensure that a team is real. Mar 27 11:25:30 one of the bigger questions i wondered - as you did too, is testing. Mar 27 11:26:43 of course it is going to be quite important to ensure quality and stability. But indeed it is really complicated to do so. Mar 27 11:28:55 (not impossible). So you might need somehow to trust. Or need a QA Team. Something like a Beta Repository and a "Stable" Repository or so. Mar 27 11:30:31 but well second thought on that was, its maybe a bit out of scope. for now we are not actually talking about a community "store", just a team space. So you might can life with simple selfresponsibility of every team Mar 27 11:31:26 I mean - what is the minimal propose such Team Areas should achive? Mar 27 11:32:27 it is (for my opinion) about giving teams the ability to push packages in a more visible and searchable place. Mar 27 11:32:48 so its better than some random user home directory Mar 27 11:32:49 :) Mar 27 11:34:54 lbt? Mar 27 11:37:11 lbt: bad news is that I couldn't trigger clutter rebuild (why?), good news is that new packages build even after the change Mar 27 11:38:18 lbt: Stskeeps: CosmoHill: thanks for help, I'm resolving my dependencies by osc-branching from home:zigbee Mar 27 11:49:52 lbt, so for a start take it simple as possible, such a team space is not more than a directory with the teams/project name. You simply create those on request of those team (no submaintainer) and connect it (if this is possible) directly with a meego user Mar 27 11:51:51 you check this request is really by the team by (at first) simply trust that the person. If its wrong - than people will always complain Mar 27 12:45:04 can i somehow get a "lock screen" icon into the meego-top-bar ? (using meego as a tablet-os) Mar 27 12:56:53 ok managed to do a "gnome-screensaver-command --lock" to get some lock screen Mar 27 12:56:59 but no on-screen-keyboard there Mar 27 13:32:37 I found that some packages are branches of e.g. Meego:1.1:Core Mar 27 13:32:47 how can I make a branch of another package? Mar 27 13:36:03 or get a spec file at least? Mar 27 13:36:14 (ping lbt) Mar 27 13:36:14 i usually branch from MeeGo.com:Trunk Mar 27 13:37:35 btw, is there a way to delete packages from cmdline? Mar 27 13:38:19 pavlix, I am sure some combination of rm -rf should suffice, just be careful of specifics Mar 27 13:38:37 but in general zypper has package management stuff ;) Mar 27 13:38:51 lcuk: I mean from OBS Mar 27 13:40:29 Stskeeps: MeeGo:Trunk works, thanks Mar 27 13:42:44 no gesture-lock-.screen or keyboard there? :( Mar 27 13:42:55 pavlix: what are you testing Mar 27 13:42:57 er Mar 27 13:42:58 PatrickBic: Mar 27 13:43:17 netbook version 1.1 Mar 27 13:43:24 ah, it's not really a tablet thing :P Mar 27 13:43:31 it's a netbook user interface Mar 27 13:43:38 if you want a tablet ui, grab that image Mar 27 13:43:48 Stskeeps: I'm trying to get gst-plugins-bad working on MeeGo 1.0 in a recent version Mar 27 13:43:53 my tablet has almost 12" and an atom :P Mar 27 13:43:57 pavlix: ok Mar 27 13:43:59 thats why i had choosen the netbok interface Mar 27 13:44:06 pavlix: can i dare to ask why anyone would want to base anything on 1.0? :P Mar 27 13:44:13 PatrickBic: yes, so does the tablets :P Mar 27 13:44:25 Stskeeps: More importantly, does table UI come with a usable library of qtquick UI components? Mar 27 13:44:31 Stskeeps, what does it? :$ Mar 27 13:44:32 RST38h: yes, actually Mar 27 13:44:41 Stskeeps: because I have a MeeGo 1.0 box :) Mar 27 13:44:46 Stskeeps: are there any docs online already? Mar 27 13:44:58 pavlix: Upgrade to a later version, no? =) Mar 27 13:45:01 Stskeeps: I have not yet got instructions for upgrade Mar 27 13:45:12 RST38h: uncertain, they just started publishing the stuff :P Mar 27 13:45:14 Stskeeps: there may be some customization to the particular hardware Mar 27 13:45:21 Stskeeps: I got it preinstalled Mar 27 13:45:37 Stskeeps: and I'm not familiar with RedBood either Mar 27 13:45:52 pavlix: ok, sounds like a weird piece of hw :) Mar 27 13:45:56 is that x86 or ARM? Mar 27 13:46:00 Stskeeps: x86 Mar 27 13:46:01 ok Mar 27 13:46:10 Stskeeps, any hint on how to get it done with the netbook version? :P Mar 27 13:46:16 Stskeeps: actually, I have information that 1.1 won't be supported at all Mar 27 13:46:25 Stskeeps: they're skipping it :) Mar 27 13:46:32 pavlix: can't blame them Mar 27 13:46:32 :P Mar 27 13:46:35 PatrickBic: "give up and install tablet ux" Mar 27 13:46:35 :P Mar 27 13:46:42 haha ^^ Mar 27 13:47:08 i'm not kidding Mar 27 13:47:08 :P Mar 27 13:47:16 Stskeeps: the thought of this thing working reliably on N900 (or a different mobile device, like a Galaxy Tab or a Streak) makes me smile uncontrollably =) Mar 27 13:47:29 but why would a netbook interface have such big controls? Mar 27 13:48:05 PatrickBic: designer madness Mar 27 13:48:38 Stskeeps: as it stands, I'm probably not upgrading before MeeGo 1.2 is out :) Mar 27 13:48:41 http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots <- you are suggesting this image? Mar 27 13:48:50 PatrickBic: no, search for intel tablet ux Mar 27 13:49:04 RST38h: i do have pretty nice hopes for this stuff, yes Mar 27 13:49:34 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/02/06/hands-meego-tablet-12-alpha-exopc <- Mar 27 13:50:32 Stskeeps, hmm.. base system is the same, but UI differs? Mar 27 13:50:37 right Mar 27 13:51:09 and i have to reinstall or am i able to keep my system? Mar 27 13:51:53 RST38h: saw the video yet? Mar 27 13:52:47 STskeeps: yea, but like the still image better :) Mar 27 13:52:53 hehe Mar 27 13:53:01 Video does show a few glitches incompatible with normal usage Mar 27 13:53:18 yeah Mar 27 13:53:44 well, considering the thing got released friday, we had it running in proto 2 hours after and image 6 hours after, then it's pretty early to make anything conclusive ;) Mar 27 13:54:12 Stskeeps: I am even more interested in getting this run on [formerly] Android devices Mar 27 13:54:22 RST38h: problem is GLES as usual Mar 27 13:54:27 Stskeeps: Yea =( Mar 27 13:54:41 Stskeeps: But I think lardman got GLES to work at least on Galaxies Mar 27 13:55:16 Stskeeps: Looks like Streak is out of the question though (no GLES drivers, slow GLES to begin with) Mar 27 13:58:16 RST38h, didn't I hear that 2d qml was to be used in ubuntu? Mar 27 13:58:26 would gles even be a requirement? Mar 27 14:02:25 lcuk: for meego ui it is a requirement Mar 27 14:05:52 RST38h, is the 2d version going to based on a different qml then? Mar 27 14:06:38 dunno. I suspect that what they call "2d" is still using GLES for effects Mar 27 14:08:00 RST38h, http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/3214 Mar 27 14:08:04 opensource obs seems to be back Mar 27 14:08:11 "The �Unity 2D� desktop is to provide a Unity environment without the need for OpenGL or any accelerated graphics drivers, but is built using Qt and QML. " Mar 27 14:08:22 Qml is a 2D rendered scene Mar 27 14:08:31 new packages build for Fedora 14 now, but older packages got stuck in the broken phase Mar 27 14:08:49 lcuk: that's interesting. Mar 27 14:08:52 lcuk: Weeeelll... it is Unity... Mar 27 14:08:53 alterego, it is not the scene or language of the toolkit that I am talking about Mar 27 14:09:01 it is the mechanism to render it Mar 27 14:09:04 that perked Mar 27 14:09:05 lcuk: Do you really want that? Mar 27 14:09:26 RST38h, you just asked about getting the tablet UX on current androidy devices Mar 27 14:09:36 Sure, and Qml doesn't require hw acceleration but obviously works much better with it :) Mar 27 14:09:37 if the tablet ux could work with the same 2d version of qml Mar 27 14:09:40 then it happens Mar 27 14:09:55 since getting the 3d drivers is something I hear about many people facepalming Mar 27 14:10:08 Qml doesn't require GL .. Mar 27 14:10:15 lcuk: Maybe I am an idiot,but... Mar 27 14:10:33 lcuk: I think thiago claimed at some point that you do not need GLES to render Qt Mar 27 14:10:51 You don'tg Mar 27 14:11:20 You have to set it up specifically to use opengl if you want to use it .. Mar 27 14:11:36 Stskeeps, and that pre alpha is stable enough for using it? Mar 27 14:14:53 :) Mar 27 14:19:16 RST38h, that article certainly suggests that the ubuntu desktop will be QML on Arm device where currently the 3d drivers are not available. assuming it works it puts Ubuntu into places that MeeGo cannot currently go. Mar 27 14:21:34 lcuk: Yes, but you have to consider other things Mar 27 14:22:01 lcuk: Ubuntu has got quite a heavy footprint, it may not run well on any resource constrained ARM device Mar 27 14:22:54 lcuk: And once they get it running, where do they get the mobile applications suit? Mar 27 14:23:26 RST38h: worked for them on netbook :P Mar 27 14:23:30 So, until they show something interesting in that direction, forget about Ubuntu outside netbooks Mar 27 14:23:42 I don't think ubuntu is that "heavy" Mar 27 14:23:51 alterego: A netbook is just a slow, cheap laptop. Of course it worked for them on netbooks Mar 27 14:24:17 No more heavy than MeeGois, which I think is heavy for a mobile :P Mar 27 14:24:29 alterego: Maybe, we will have to see Mar 27 14:24:31 RST38h, I never said anything about what worked, you think that, not me. I merely pointed out about QML desktop working without 3d drivers. Mar 27 14:24:48 all the same points about mobile apps suite and stuff counts equally right here in meego. Mar 27 14:25:00 lcuk: Yeah, no doubt it will work Mar 27 14:25:28 lcuk: If I understand correctly, Meego will come with a basic apps suite (phone, address book, gallery, camera, etc) Mar 27 14:25:39 lcuk: No such suite for UBuntu at the moment Mar 27 14:26:06 * lcuk nods Mar 27 14:27:18 meego ux doesn't really have any of that yet either :P Mar 27 14:27:24 Well, no phoneui Mar 27 14:27:36 Or address book Mar 27 14:27:52 akterego: But you are working on it, ain't you? ;) Mar 27 14:28:15 RST38h, I believe sabotage got himself a rather sturdy bullwhip during last week Mar 27 14:29:19 hehe :) Mar 27 14:30:18 * RST38h fully expects the fun of watching Meego vs Ubuntu mobile battle Mar 27 14:30:27 Stocked on popcorn, etc. Mar 27 14:31:07 RST38h: well, one advantage ubuntu has is that everything linaro produced is already hw adaptation for ubuntu :P Mar 27 14:31:43 are linaro upstream to meego then? Mar 27 14:32:04 lcuk: yeah, technically Mar 27 14:32:09 but needs repackaging Mar 27 14:32:54 ubuntu are certainly more open :D Mar 27 14:33:01 for the most part. Mar 27 14:33:07 they model on Ubuntu? Mar 27 14:33:23 a �5 stripper is more open too, but you generally don't take her home to meet the parents. Mar 27 14:33:35 Heh Mar 27 14:34:31 Heh, N900 stuck with the red recording light after abruptly stopped Skype call. Mar 27 14:35:11 * lcuk adds more mechanics to differentgame and tries to work out how to make a new git repo on github Mar 27 14:35:28 RST38h: yeah.. "reference distribution" or somethig like that Mar 27 14:41:14 RST38h, the basic app suite does not worry me so much Mar 27 14:41:33 it is how we make the expanded set of thigns to cater for varying usecases Mar 27 14:43:47 lcuk: Have to have a basic app set first or nobody will use it, even geeks Mar 27 14:45:34 RST38h, N900 Developer Edition is heading that way already Mar 27 15:24:44 speaking of geeks, did you know the game Zork is inside Call of Duty: Black Ops Mar 27 15:25:46 there are a number of easter eggs in CoD Mar 27 15:35:59 lcuk: CoD:BO says it's 4 player split-screen but we can't get that to work Mar 27 16:23:17 timeless_w7ip: I've tweaked that javascript loop a little Mar 27 16:23:39 I managed to put it into a link in a blog comment Mar 27 16:25:48 Split screen is impossible anyway. Mar 27 16:26:16 GAN900, why? Mar 27 16:26:33 old computers managed split screen happily :O Mar 27 16:27:27 * lcuk sees alien discussion around Mar 27 16:28:11 * Myrtti ♥ terminator Mar 27 16:28:39 (https://launchpad.net/terminator) Mar 27 16:29:30 when a slide button/toggle thingy is visually saying the word "on" (but in faded blue) is that actually the "on" state? Mar 27 16:29:49 we had nice discussions on those toggly things Mar 27 16:29:50 or do I have to slide the toggle over to it to indicate "on" Mar 27 16:30:03 whether seeing "on" means it's on or that it becomes on when you move the lever there Mar 27 16:30:45 yes, it is certainly ambiguous Mar 27 16:31:11 thiago_home, something like this is how I always see these things: http://liqbase.net/liq.20100920_042834.liqflow_run1.scr.png Mar 27 16:31:32 (though not in the screenshot there are others which just have yes/no Mar 27 16:32:53 thiago_home, the slider is a step backwards, can it be themed out to become a checkbox? Mar 27 16:33:46 ie, someone could make a user friendly version of checkbox and include it in a theme Mar 27 16:34:18 I don't know Mar 27 16:35:43 ohhhhh Mar 27 16:36:10 it is doubly double because you have to press on the word to actually do the slide toggly thing anyway Mar 27 16:36:26 thereby making user look silly actually trying to grab the nobble Mar 27 16:39:22 thiago_home, since you discussed this already, which is On/Enabled/True/Yes/Good positive state? Mar 27 16:39:33 is it when the word "On" is displayed Mar 27 16:39:47 or when the word "Off" is displayed Mar 27 16:39:57 lcuk: I think it's the state when it has a blue or green colour Mar 27 16:40:02 and it does show "On" Mar 27 16:40:41 * lcuk ponders making a QML wotsit to actually put a little green LED next to the slide switch Mar 27 16:40:49 which goes dim when it is off and lights up when it is on Mar 27 16:42:28 sussed it thiago_home :) the bold blue part of the nobble remains whether it is on or off! Mar 27 16:42:46 that is what is different to other sliding toggles on alternative uis Mar 27 16:43:10 * lcuk washes hands from searching for iphone Mar 27 16:49:34 is it ironic that when reading an online presentation giving in flash about how javascript is bad Mar 27 16:49:41 that it goes ape and eats my processor? Mar 27 16:50:00 given* Mar 27 16:55:05 lcuk, you can't see well enough to play effectively. Mar 27 16:55:54 GAN900, hm? which 4 player game specifically Mar 27 16:56:15 and what resolution are you running game at overall? Mar 27 16:56:43 because I recall playing co-op games at least 2 player on 320*240 full screen afaik Mar 27 16:59:24 * CosmoHill prefers split screen multiplayer over online gaming Mar 27 17:00:24 CosmoHill, strongly depends on the game and number of local players you have Mar 27 17:01:00 I'd say it's more to do with my attitude, when I play with my friends I actually want to be with them Mar 27 17:01:22 MINECRAAAAFFFFTTTTT Mar 27 17:04:32 thiago_home, also from a brightness perspective, the word "Off" being in black is actually bolder and stands out more than the pale blue (on grey) "On". Mar 27 17:04:37 * lcuk hmms muchly Mar 27 17:09:53 hi every one...is possible that meego can affect my atheros card signal??? because it's so poor and disconnecting me every time I use the Internet....but when I boot XP in the same place I have very good signal...does anyone knows what happening ? Mar 27 17:11:41 The driver can affect how good the signal _reception_ is, sure. Mar 27 17:12:03 taso, what signal strength do you get on the different operating systems? Mar 27 17:12:08 could it be power settings affecting it? Mar 27 17:12:27 * lcuk only ever gets high 90s percentages at home unless I head into the bathroom with laptop Mar 27 17:12:42 I.E. MeeGo is putting the card into low power mode for some reason Mar 27 17:13:26 with meego is about -67 Mar 27 17:14:08 with XP is double Mar 27 17:14:24 CosmoHill u have the same issue yeah? Mar 27 17:14:27 -134% ? Mar 27 17:15:06 taso: no but I know there is a large difference in speed between balanced and power saving when my laptop is on the battery Mar 27 17:15:43 ops sry no I mean is about 90 -95... Mar 27 17:16:45 Is very strange because I have to be maximum 5 meter from the router Mar 27 17:17:04 and thes its stops to disc. Mar 27 17:17:15 taso, ok so you are not in a marginal area - what kind of encryption settings are on the router Mar 27 17:17:24 and specifically what traffic goes over your network? Mar 27 17:17:45 our router crashes whenever all the machines try doing high bandwidth downloads Mar 27 17:18:05 me with meego images, luke with 1080 youtube bmx videos and tracy with facebook Mar 27 17:19:02 lcuk: my mate crashes his BT business hub a lot Mar 27 17:19:12 the encryption is WPA and when u say traffic u mean What is connect to the router usually? Mar 27 17:19:19 I blame the 10Mb/s hub they're connected to Mar 27 17:19:26 taso, what is going over hte router Mar 27 17:19:40 do you have uber download app running on meego that is not on windows for instance Mar 27 17:21:53 Sry mate what u mean by saying going over ??? :/ Mar 27 17:22:01 the router* Mar 27 17:22:27 taso, yes, when you have your router connected, do you flood the network with traffic Mar 27 17:22:37 or is it idle most of the time and still crashing Mar 27 17:24:11 ooooo ok ...When is idle it's ok...but when I start use the internet with meego netbook it's starts... Mar 27 17:24:43 lcuk, any of the modern shooters. 1080p Mar 27 17:25:24 GAN900, right, so 960*512 per person is not reasonable resolution for local co-op mode? Mar 27 17:25:33 I also connect to the router about 4 pc's to do traffic to see if start the same Mar 27 17:25:47 the graphics card in my windows pc cannot run halflife at that single resolution, let alone 4 of them Mar 27 17:26:20 but no...only when I use it , its start to disc,,, Mar 27 17:26:35 taso, next time it fails, check contents of dmesg Mar 27 17:26:43 it may give you clue as to why it failed Mar 27 17:27:33 I can do it know...can I tell u what it says? Mar 27 17:27:48 you can, but it won't mean much to me. Mar 27 17:28:18 and taso, could you sing the contents rather than just pasting them here. Mar 27 17:28:26 if you cannot sing, then use a pastebin instead. Mar 27 17:32:54 what mean Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain? Mar 27 17:33:54 it trying to get IP? Mar 27 17:43:02 taso: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=crda+world+regulatory+domain Mar 27 17:43:54 haha...ok mate :) Mar 27 17:48:27 that google search isn't particularly helpful Mar 27 17:49:15 in a nutshell, crda is a tool that tries to figure out where you are, then disables wireless channels you are not supposed to use in that location Mar 27 17:50:00 it tries to be cautious and so very often gets it totally wrong Mar 27 17:50:16 the wrong bit i didn't know Mar 27 17:50:34 but i thought the rest was clear enough from the results page Mar 27 17:55:05 it's clear if you know what "regulatory compliance" means Mar 27 17:55:11 so iow not very clear at all Mar 27 17:56:47 and it gets it wrong because it looks at so many different places: the country code set in your wireless card, the country code of any hotspots in range, possibly other sources like gps/gsm... then it takes the intersection of all the allowed channels Mar 27 17:57:39