**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011 Mar 28 03:01:05 ddd: I believe sage is using mysql in his xbmc port for MeeGo. Mar 28 03:55:07 anyone home? Mar 28 03:56:12 Texrat: not anymore. already at work :) Mar 28 03:56:32 such a bummer... so few peopel from US... Mar 28 03:56:40 people* Mar 28 03:57:11 and I'm the token American on your presentation panel ;) Mar 28 03:57:17 yeah Mar 28 03:57:19 Texrat: go to bed! Mar 28 03:57:26 :) Mar 28 03:57:41 you added me so I could talk about what doesn't work :P Mar 28 03:57:58 Texrat: did you try the tablet image with ideapad already? Mar 28 03:58:05 oh crap! Landesk push about to reboot my laptop Mar 28 03:58:11 no, not yet Mar 28 03:58:23 is there a simple one an idiot like me could use? Mar 28 03:58:49 the current netbook build works so well for me I hate to risk changing Mar 28 03:59:10 run it from a usb stick Mar 28 03:59:15 that's what I'm doing Mar 28 03:59:43 good idea Mar 28 03:59:54 I need to buy anothe rone. what size is yours? Mar 28 04:00:20 I'm using a 4GB stick for it Mar 28 04:00:25 wow Mar 28 04:00:43 GeneralAntilles, the weekend call I have to do throws off my sleep Mar 28 04:00:53 which is why I missed council meeting today :( Mar 28 04:01:20 Hehe Mar 28 04:01:23 You mean yesterday? Mar 28 04:01:40 I was on conference call from 10 PM to 11:30 PM, then again from 1AM to 7AM Mar 28 04:01:47 yesterday and today Mar 28 04:01:48 That sounds awesome. Mar 28 04:01:52 ... Mar 28 04:01:54 Clearly you have some awesome shit to do. Mar 28 04:01:56 it's insane Mar 28 04:01:59 right Mar 28 04:02:04 Who the hell are you conferencing with? Mar 28 04:02:08 The Chinese? Mar 28 04:02:14 I wait for people to report how their software changes went Mar 28 04:02:17 India Mar 28 04:02:21 Bleh Mar 28 04:02:26 it's the stupidest thing to do Mar 28 04:02:33 Sounds like it Mar 28 04:02:37 my boss is paranoid and micromanaging Mar 28 04:02:47 Always a good way to be. Mar 28 04:02:54 wtf-- GAN900 and GeneralAntilles??? Mar 28 04:03:10 I *knew* you were 2 different people! Mar 28 04:03:15 :) Mar 28 04:03:16 There are things occupying my Tower. Mar 28 04:03:48 I actually typically do 30 min work on an 8 hour conference call Mar 28 04:03:59 Hehe Mar 28 04:04:05 and the help desk SHOULD be doing it Mar 28 04:04:35 I'm a frigging analyst and dba and I'm playing ticket jockey Mar 28 04:04:41 waste of my time Mar 28 04:05:03 Looks like I re-entered at just the right time Mar 28 04:05:03 but a recruiter called me Friday about a job with AT&T :D Mar 28 04:05:05 :p Mar 28 04:05:08 lol Mar 28 04:05:21 Sweet Mar 28 04:05:37 You can help them deploy the 4G network they keep advertising. Mar 28 04:05:39 yeah, we'll see. Pay is right Mar 28 04:05:42 lol Mar 28 04:05:55 they just want dba and report automation work, fine by me Mar 28 04:36:41 Texrat, do you hook your finger around charging lead whilst using it? Mar 28 04:37:28 (which would give a slightly sideways, slightly downwards pressure without realising it) Mar 28 04:39:13 lcuk, what? no Mar 28 04:39:27 I plug in, leave it alone Mar 28 04:45:20 good morning Mar 28 05:37:17 morning! Mar 28 05:37:35 how was the weekend? Mar 28 05:38:03 Tumi_, morning :) Mar 28 05:39:02 Tumi_, weekend was busy Mar 28 05:39:11 many people were peeking at the tablet ux on n900 Mar 28 05:53:16 the qt qml component applications: I gather they can be run individually outside of the specific tablet ux Mar 28 05:53:44 which would be beneficial to allowing people to get stuck in without needing to jump around image wise Mar 28 06:10:42 morn JunJi Mar 28 06:10:55 hi goodmorning Mar 28 06:11:24 happened to have seen tablet UX on ARM yet? (quite nice video out) Mar 28 06:11:55 no we don't have that one yet. Mar 28 06:12:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjQukhXYt-U&feature=player_embedded - Intel started releasing the sources here friday and we had it on ARM ~2-3 hours after Mar 28 06:12:09 we met Intel two days ago, they visited here Mar 28 06:12:27 cool Mar 28 06:13:01 r u also working with them? Mar 28 06:13:15 well, we're all working together in meego ;) Mar 28 06:14:00 the tablet UX really improves matters a lot, it's made in QML and is really easy to fix/modify etc Mar 28 06:14:17 yes, so QML is being more imporant Mar 28 06:15:03 and most importantly, it performs quite nicely P Mar 28 06:15:05 :P Mar 28 06:15:05 but one of my problem is that qmlviewer is not working on a device Mar 28 06:15:34 it's ok in emulator, but not on a device ;( Mar 28 06:15:47 right, many different reasons that could be - handset UX did some stupid things with providing a "theme" plugin Mar 28 06:15:50 I guess, a newer image will solve this Mar 28 06:16:03 yeah, hopefully Mar 28 06:16:40 do you have any qmlviewer problems? Mar 28 06:16:51 or have you seen? Mar 28 06:17:07 with your images which would be 1.1 ~ 1.1.9? Mar 28 06:17:08 i think we had a problem when there was that "handset ux" theme plugin for qt Mar 28 06:17:23 hmm.. Mar 28 06:17:28 but now with tablet UX a lot of things change Mar 28 06:17:36 tablet UX looks very usable on handset too, so Mar 28 06:17:54 so there's some components there aren't needed anymore, like the theme plugin Mar 28 06:18:13 the intel tablet UX was designed to run on mobiles too Mar 28 06:18:55 that's good Mar 28 06:22:21 since I cannot file bugs yet, thumbnailing on the tablet ux (even on ideapad) is taking a while and getting stuck at times Mar 28 06:22:34 I just confirmed that currently we only have MeeGo 1.1 images Mar 28 06:22:36 is the internal tracker used for filing still? Mar 28 06:22:50 JunJi: meego 1.1 or 1.1.90? Mar 28 06:22:59 just 1.1 Mar 28 06:23:01 hm, ok Mar 28 06:23:06 thiago_home, the UX will need plenty of love to be really usable Mar 28 06:23:09 for G-slate, and a new LG smartphone Mar 28 06:26:00 well, checking out 1.1.90 could probably be an idea, a lot of very positive developments there now Mar 28 06:31:17 heh seeing the "show password" box on network still with a tickbox is amusing :D Mar 28 06:32:51 Hello Mar 28 06:33:13 I would like to know some information on meego file security Mar 28 06:33:42 i am not able to copy any file from /proc folder to any other folder Mar 28 06:33:51 meego as in meego 1.2? Mar 28 06:35:19 lcuk, +1 on the thumnailing Mar 28 06:35:37 file is copied as blank Mar 28 06:35:41 vgrade, I have a growing list Mar 28 06:36:00 dimpy_, what are you copying and to where and as what user Mar 28 06:36:19 i am trying to copy to home as root Mar 28 06:36:20 dimpy_: huh? Mar 28 06:36:28 dimpy_: you can't open a file in /proc? Mar 28 06:36:33 dimpy_: how are you copying? Mar 28 06:36:47 i can open the file in /proc Mar 28 06:36:55 simple cp command Mar 28 06:36:55 what file? Mar 28 06:37:35 try cat file > /path/to/other Mar 28 06:37:40 or stop trying to copy from /proc Mar 28 06:37:47 and dimpy_ what files are in /proc that are required? I thought that stuff was dynamically generated and "live" data? Mar 28 06:38:23 they all are. Copying from /proc makes no sense. Mar 28 06:38:25 not even for testing. Mar 28 06:38:35 vgrade, any idea whether the photo app puts newest files at the top? Mar 28 06:38:44 i am using sp-endurance tool Mar 28 06:38:56 or if this pain with refreshing the list will only get worse Mar 28 06:38:57 dimpy_: I don't know what that tool is or does Mar 28 06:39:01 dimpy_: sure you're not speaking of harmattan by chance? Mar 28 06:39:04 dimpy_: please stop trying to copy from /proc Mar 28 06:39:12 no no not harmattan Mar 28 06:39:20 hm, ok Mar 28 06:39:27 lcuk, never seem any photos yet Mar 28 06:39:41 to generate endurance report i need few files like /proc/stat Mar 28 06:39:52 for meego reliabilty testing Mar 28 06:39:56 vgrade, on the daily testing image it has some (pinetrail) Mar 28 06:39:59 dimpy_: ah Mar 28 06:40:13 dimpy_: use cat to copy those files Mar 28 06:40:16 dimpy_, can you normally access/copy the files? on meego Mar 28 06:40:22 no Mar 28 06:40:38 i can copy but it is copying blank file Mar 28 06:40:42 using cat? Mar 28 06:40:45 yes Mar 28 06:40:45 i think cat /proc/stat > yourfile is probably only way Mar 28 06:41:37 actually sp-endurance tool is copying those files. Mar 28 06:41:41 then fix it Mar 28 06:42:10 dimpy_: probably relied on old kernel behaviour or something Mar 28 06:42:25 that's my thinking too Mar 28 06:42:45 dimpy_: let eero tamminen (think that's the author of sp-endurance) know of the issue Mar 28 06:43:05 ok Mar 28 06:44:35 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 28 08:40 /proc/stat Mar 28 06:44:50 some tools are expected to fail with this kind of file Mar 28 06:55:39 I just tested qmlviewr on 1.1.9 Mar 28 06:56:27 actually the image doesn't have qmlviewer so used one of 1.1 and saw the same result Mar 28 06:56:44 /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libmeegotouchqtstyleplugin.so , remove that Mar 28 06:56:54 will do right now Mar 28 06:57:01 the viewer is a developer application Mar 28 06:57:06 it must be in one of the -devel packages Mar 28 06:57:18 yes, libqt4-devel Mar 28 06:57:34 thiago_home: we have it in qt-qmlviewer package as well, i think Mar 28 06:57:39 at least that's what i usually grab Mar 28 06:58:05 it should be only in the devel package Mar 28 06:58:17 people shouldn't expect it to be a tool to be used for users Mar 28 06:58:20 by users Mar 28 06:58:41 we eventually want to have a runtime (like /usr/bin/python), but we're not there yet in terms of security Mar 28 07:01:52 sorry, adb gives me a blue screen often, ha. Mar 28 07:02:04 even I'm using Windows 7 Mar 28 07:05:02 it hasn't have the /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libmeegotouchqtstyleplugin.so already, hmm. Mar 28 07:05:11 JunJi_: hmm. Mar 28 07:05:16 JunJi_: qmlviewer should launch then Mar 28 07:05:30 any other files there? libdui or somethng Mar 28 07:06:10 it's running but not working properly just drawing a black box or nothing.. Mar 28 07:06:12 will try libdui now Mar 28 07:06:52 Do I just type 'libdui' (seems like not a excutable binary) Mar 28 07:06:55 ? Mar 28 07:07:01 nah Mar 28 07:07:10 just if a file with libdui in it was in the styles/ directory Mar 28 07:07:41 actually it doesn't have './styles' itself. Mar 28 07:07:51 ok Mar 28 07:07:53 this device is 1.1.0 Mar 28 07:07:57 ah true Mar 28 07:08:14 what error are you getting from it? Mar 28 07:09:27 well, it's starting with many messages looking not good. The very first thing is 'MTheme : Failed to open theme librarty : "meegotouchviews" Mar 28 07:09:56 and several messages started with 'MAssembly: Styleshhet missing ...." Mar 28 07:10:08 ah, 1.1.. Mar 28 07:10:13 hang on Mar 28 07:10:24 yep Mar 28 07:10:43 i'm trying to remember how it was that you disabled that :) Mar 28 07:10:53 Thanks a lot. Mar 28 07:13:09 could you ls -lR /usr/lib/qt4/plugins and put it on a pastebin or something? Mar 28 07:13:29 sure Mar 28 07:14:38 here we go, http://pastebin.com/qnq2XLvS Mar 28 07:15:44 ok, that's a bit surprising Mar 28 07:15:48 libqtscriptdbus is still installed? Mar 28 07:15:57 I don't think it was ever used for anything useful Mar 28 07:16:05 thiago_home: 1.1, qt 4.7.0 or something i think Mar 28 07:16:09 do I need to remove that? Mar 28 07:16:12 no Mar 28 07:16:17 ok Mar 28 07:16:18 it should have been added to Qt 4.3 Mar 28 07:16:24 I wonder what it's still doing in 4.7 Mar 28 07:16:34 hmm :( Mar 28 07:16:36 JunJi_: 'export' as well on a pastebin Mar 28 07:16:41 yep Mar 28 07:17:11 http://pastebin.com/Dc18kM6V Mar 28 07:18:39 JunJi_: and complete log of running qmlviewer Mar 28 07:18:50 My co-worker just told me that we made this image by our local OBS using 1.1 armv7 sources Mar 28 07:19:01 ah Mar 28 07:19:03 ok Mar 28 07:19:10 so it's for armv5 Mar 28 07:19:21 v5 or v7? Mar 28 07:19:24 v5 Mar 28 07:19:30 v5 from v7 sources Mar 28 07:19:36 v5 isn't supported Mar 28 07:19:48 v5 isn't supporting qmlviewer? Mar 28 07:19:54 no Mar 28 07:19:58 meego doesn't support v5 Mar 28 07:20:03 ok, so we made it by our OBS Mar 28 07:20:16 does your device at least have an FPU? Mar 28 07:21:11 it's a bad idea to use QML on a device without FPU Mar 28 07:22:47 thank you for the hint Mar 28 07:23:55 I don't know well about NEON, but my boss just reminded me that's why we still need armv5 images. Mar 28 07:24:11 no Neon on v5 Mar 28 07:24:39 our standard v7 builds don't use Neon Mar 28 07:28:44 but like I said, if you're creating a new device now without FPU, you should reconsider Mar 28 07:29:15 JunJi_, what screen resolution are you targeting? Mar 28 07:30:06 thiago_home: i think the story about armv5 was the vfpv3 vs vfpv3-d16 in meego arm softfp port, not necessarily the device in question Mar 28 07:30:41 and thiago_home if the device is expecting lower resolution graphics then I see no reason why someone could not try? Mar 28 07:31:04 Stskeeps: it makes a hell of a difference Mar 28 07:31:11 the v5 build is unnecessarily slow Mar 28 07:31:22 of course Mar 28 07:31:46 lcuk: v5 and no FPU is going to make things very slow Mar 28 07:31:46 who is doing QA for X86 in Trunk:Testing ? Mar 28 07:32:08 QGraphicsView and QML use floating point a lot. Qt container classes use atomic reference counting a lot. Mar 28 07:32:17 ok, I just talked to my co-workers. I think if the standard v7 images aren't including NEON, there will be no reason we don't use the v7 images Mar 28 07:32:18 those are going to be too slow on a regular v5 build Mar 28 07:32:41 I'm a person who really just wants to use v7 in this company :( lol Mar 28 07:32:45 JunJi_: check the number of floating point registers. That might be another issue. Mar 28 07:33:03 JunJi_: yeah, the hardfp port should match your usecase quite well Mar 28 07:33:26 it does have but will be a 16bit? not strong Mar 28 07:33:29 JunJi_, what target screen? Mar 28 07:33:34 let me check Mar 28 07:33:49 the armv5 is n8x0 spec isn't it? Mar 28 07:33:51 or is that 7 Mar 28 07:34:21 armv6+vfp Mar 28 07:34:47 1280×720 Pixels WXGA Mar 28 07:34:54 not even symbian uses v5 devices anymore Mar 28 07:35:10 there's just one no-FPU device released in the past 3 years Mar 28 07:35:15 JunJi_, which chip? Mar 28 07:35:36 because that is higher resolution than the ideapad even Mar 28 07:35:43 and where could I get the MeeGo 1.2 sources? one of my coworker wants to try it Mar 28 07:35:58 NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor 1GHz Mar 28 07:36:04 it's G-Slat Mar 28 07:36:08 slate Mar 28 07:36:11 JunJi_: best thing you can do is get the coworker on here and ask about hardfp kickstart files Mar 28 07:36:17 :D dual core Mar 28 07:36:39 well, he is with me now Mar 28 07:36:41 thiago_home, does QML handle SMP? (or whever multi proc stuff is called nowadays) Mar 28 07:36:58 * lcuk knows none of my code would - perhaps qt does Mar 28 07:37:59 JunJi_: get him to get mic2 version 0.24.6 as a start Mar 28 07:38:46 lcuk: if you build for v7 with Qt 4.8, Qt is SMP-safe Mar 28 07:39:01 4.7 isn't? Mar 28 07:39:03 no Mar 28 07:39:08 he is talking to me that he already tried to make an image using the hardfp kickstart files but the result image doesn't full rpms Mar 28 07:39:13 missing one instruction in the atomics Mar 28 07:39:38 he is using mic2 0.24.7 the latest Mar 28 07:39:43 thiago_home: ah, memory barriers or something Mar 28 07:39:47 Stskeeps: yes Mar 28 07:40:00 Stskeeps: Qt 4.7 doesn't have an armv7 set of instructions Mar 28 07:40:05 it uses the armv6 ones Mar 28 07:40:07 k Mar 28 07:40:16 so for 4.8 we'll have -arch armv7? Mar 28 07:40:48 no need, just -arch arm Mar 28 07:40:56 it will detect from the compiler flags Mar 28 07:40:56 so he filled out the absent rpms by rpms that vgrade provided on his wiki Mar 28 07:40:57 ok Mar 28 07:41:10 -arch armv6 will be kept for compatibility as an alias Mar 28 07:41:14 so no need to change the specs Mar 28 07:41:20 good Mar 28 07:41:37 the -march=armv7-a compiler flag is the trick Mar 28 07:42:03 but the image cannot start X at all Mar 28 07:43:31 why not? Mar 28 07:43:35 and the tegra2 image you gave us before also had the same problem, he just told me. Mar 28 07:44:20 looks like a problem about qt, he will spend more time on it Mar 28 07:44:25 tegra2 is vfpv3-d16 no-neon Mar 28 07:45:03 yes that might not about neon. Mar 28 07:45:18 not be Mar 28 07:45:19 hmm. Mar 28 07:45:28 JunJi_: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/handset-armv7hl-generic.ks - exact command line in second line Mar 28 07:45:53 he is wondering how to start X Mar 28 07:46:08 is it by meegodm? or startdui? Mar 28 07:46:19 he tried the both Mar 28 07:46:21 JunJi_: Xorg -noreset &; DISPLAY=:0 xterm Mar 28 07:46:25 is a good start Mar 28 07:46:49 xterm is working well. Mar 28 07:46:55 you might have to change oss/armv7hl/ and non-oss/armv7hl/ into oss/@ARCH@/ and non-oss/@ARCH@ in that kickstart fie Mar 28 07:52:00 he went back to his desk to try to make a new image with the kickstart file Mar 28 07:52:04 thanks a lot Mar 28 07:52:39 good luck - edit /etc/inittab to have X not start up automatically (comment out meego-dm line) and verify it starts normally it Mar 28 07:52:55 the repo lines may change into something on repo.meego.com so if it stops working, don't be surprised Mar 28 07:53:30 will tell him, thanks. Mar 28 07:59:58 Morning, all Mar 28 08:00:08 morn jaffa Mar 28 08:00:38 morning Mar 28 08:01:20 ping JunJi_ Mar 28 08:02:21 :p Mar 28 08:26:26 how to fix the meego touch screen? the Vertical touch is reversed! Mar 28 08:26:35 anyone here familiar w/ git? Mar 28 08:26:40 df_: SwapY in your xorg.conf probably Mar 28 08:26:47 or swapaxes, i forget Mar 28 08:26:50 it goes up when you want it to go down? Mar 28 08:26:58 ok,i try it Mar 28 08:28:42 you know Mar 28 08:28:51 only in Ireland, would "Honey Crumbed Ham" be one of the "Healthy Options" on the "Breakfast" menu. Mar 28 08:29:11 with guinness? Mar 28 08:32:09 timeless_w7ip, don't ask to ask! Mar 28 08:33:21 lcuk: is there a way to ask for the first commit in a git repo? Mar 28 08:36:12 timeless_w7ip, I shall not offer lmgtfy but try: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/6345/get-first-git-commit-hash Mar 28 08:37:05 i was hoping for a symbolic name Mar 28 08:37:23 Stskeeps: i can't find xorg.conf file! but i found "devices.conf" in /etc/meegotouch on my meego-netbook, if this file do this job? Mar 28 08:37:57 lcuk: i presume git log only applies to local repositories Mar 28 08:38:15 effectively what i want to be able to do is ask to only retrieve that initial revision from a remote repository Mar 28 08:39:00 df_: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration Mar 28 08:39:34 Stskeeps: thanks Mar 28 08:39:46 not sure timeless_w7ip Mar 28 08:40:48 lcuk: can you reask the question somewhere? :) Mar 28 08:42:49 timeless_w7ip, there are 500 people here and probably a #git channel on freenode, I am typing up a boatload of notes regarding bugs which I cannot file yet Mar 28 08:43:06 heh Mar 28 08:43:21 * timeless_w7ip wonders why they can't be filed Mar 28 08:43:34 bug 13701 Mar 28 08:43:36 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI Mar 28 08:45:11 lcuk: so... technically you can file them today Mar 28 08:45:18 they'll just need to be moved tomorrow Mar 28 08:45:37 * timeless_w7ip would file today Mar 28 08:46:14 yes but that is messy, and actually better to make notes first and confirm things are bugs rather than just annoyances Mar 28 08:47:25 * lcuk especially likes the VKB covering a textbox and content not scrolling to position - even though I have keyboard open and the vkb should not even be visible at that precise moment. Mar 28 08:48:48 hrm, i think we did that w/ the n900 or some other product while in development Mar 28 08:48:52 always exciting Mar 28 08:51:27 yeah it is a minor glitch Mar 28 08:53:57 lcuk: AFAIK, Shuang is working on this today so there should be a structure available soon... Mar 28 08:54:19 I meant about bug 13701 Mar 28 08:54:21 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13701 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, REOP, No category for tablet UI Mar 28 08:54:23 ericlr, thanks :) there were many things discussed over the weekend Mar 28 08:54:44 the sooner we can get the categories organised the better. \o Mar 28 08:55:01 lcuk: good if there is progress then :) Mar 28 08:55:12 * lcuk nods Mar 28 09:15:43 i have a small doubt, any expert there...few package turned dirty when i build them locally....now i need to revert them to the original installation of "meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime" Mar 28 09:19:33 bkalinga, "zypper in -f [package]" is a force reinstall? Mar 28 09:20:05 lets say i have not kept track of what are the packages i modified Mar 28 09:20:21 i want to get a clean of my installation Mar 28 09:20:30 there is a nice log of installs, perhaps even ordered by date Mar 28 09:20:41 then find an image and reflash Mar 28 09:20:59 ahhh even easier, it is qemu Mar 28 09:21:08 just recopy image and bish bash bosh Mar 28 09:21:08 yes it is qemu Mar 28 09:21:40 instead of taking entire runtime i want to take what ever is really modofied Mar 28 09:21:45 how do i do that Mar 28 09:24:54 bkalinga, not sure and since you cannot even remember what you did, I don't think anyone else here could tell you either Mar 28 09:27:30 ok luck: let me take a fresh copy of the image Mar 28 11:50:04 hi there Mar 28 11:50:29 do you know what's the latest kernel version I can install on a Nokia N900? Mar 28 11:51:31 mazdok: 2.6.37 Mar 28 11:51:49 cool Mar 28 11:51:54 Stskeeps, thanks Mar 28 12:09:29 stskeeps, what kind of framerate did I see mentioned before on the controlpanel? Mar 28 12:10:02 57fps in both portrait and landscape Mar 28 12:10:03 MTF one Mar 28 12:11:10 * lcukn900 nods Mar 28 12:11:30 thanks I couldnt remember and laptop is dnstairs Mar 28 12:11:30 my pleasure, lcukn900 Mar 28 12:13:12 hi, i'm thinking about purchasing an n900 for a daily smartphone use. What can I expect with meego for handhelds. Is it fun to use and stable? Could someone give me some insight information or point me toards the infos. TY. Mar 28 12:14:16 depends, meego on n900 will only really be usable for hacker types Mar 28 12:14:32 Stskeeps: think big, in the long term ;p Mar 28 12:14:35 dreh, maemo is stable, meego n900 has aim of the developeredition which is outlined on the wiki Mar 28 12:15:16 and w00t is right, meego will grow stronger day by day Mar 28 12:15:52 so arm-plattform ist definietly in active development ? Mar 28 12:15:57 * lcukn900 awestruck by solid work recently Mar 28 12:15:58 in meego? for sure Mar 28 12:16:44 is it possible to dual boot ? maemo and meego ? Mar 28 12:16:56 yes Mar 28 12:17:29 cool Mar 28 12:18:10 is there any indication of mozilla to drop the meego/maemo plattform in future ? Mar 28 12:20:54 Ty for your answers Mar 28 12:21:12 don't know about mozilla :) Mar 28 12:22:15 in the mozilla FAQ it doesnt sound like it. Mar 28 12:24:56 dreh :) Mar 28 12:25:07 dreh: what FAQ? Mar 28 12:25:07 :P Mar 28 12:27:09 http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/faq.html Mar 28 12:27:57 i don't see anything about meego/maemo there Mar 28 12:33:05 i meant it doesnt sound like mozilla ist changing its strategy. Mar 28 12:33:27 ah Mar 28 13:45:16 if the "tablet" UX will be replacing the Handset UX (QML replacing MTF) how about theme support? Mar 28 13:45:36 is far as I know QML elements are "hard coded" Mar 28 13:46:01 joppu: there's some degree of theme engine Mar 28 13:46:20 Stskeeps: there is ? Mar 28 13:47:44 I'm kinda perplexed with all this "hey guise let's rewrite everything" -mentality Mar 28 13:47:52 hildon -> MTF -> QML Mar 28 13:48:57 hopefully qml is the toolkit to end all toolkits Mar 28 13:48:59 you can do all uis in there Mar 28 13:49:26 so there are unifying widgets Mar 28 13:49:32 yeah Mar 28 13:50:00 joppu: Ha, I thought the same thing when I started digging in to the MTF. :-) Mar 28 13:50:03 since until now it has been "write your own UI from scratch" Mar 28 13:50:14