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Apr 02 04:30:53 <w00t_> rustylynch: unlikely, but, you still around? :)
Apr 02 04:32:26 <w00t_> rustylynch: not sure if it's your domain, but: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-components/merge_requests/4
Apr 02 04:53:38 <Stskeeps> zzz
Apr 02 04:55:05 * w00t_ agrees
Apr 02 04:55:09 <w00t_> it is about time for bed
Apr 02 07:07:54 <iekku> morning
Apr 02 07:08:48 <cherrot> afternoon~ :-)
Apr 02 07:11:02 <iekku> :)
Apr 02 07:15:51 <Hq`> hi, what's the current status of armv7hl builds?
Apr 02 07:16:14 <Hq`> I see there is an armv7hl repo, but the weekly images are still arm7l?
Apr 02 07:18:23 <thiago> Stskeeps: ^^^
Apr 02 07:19:18 <Stskeeps> Hq`: we are missing last step, ie the infra pumping them out. ks files exist in image-configurations git
Apr 02 07:19:28 <Stskeeps> and work
Apr 02 07:20:01 <Stskeeps> Hq`: package set is complete
Apr 02 07:20:33 <Hq`> ok, great
Apr 02 07:21:52 <Stskeeps> Hq`: what's your interest, out of curiousity?
Apr 02 07:22:35 <Hq`> yeah, just asking out of curiosity
Apr 02 07:24:23 <Stskeeps> alright
Apr 02 07:25:41 <Stskeeps> http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/n900/ if you want to try
Apr 02 07:25:43 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed
Apr 02 07:25:46 <Stskeeps> on n900
Apr 02 07:26:48 <Hq`> thanks, I'll try
Apr 02 07:33:23 <Stskeeps> seems like fps max with mtf is like 57fps portrait/landscape on n900
Apr 02 07:33:34 <Stskeeps> but our sgx may be at 83mhz only
Apr 02 07:34:19 <Termana> morning
Apr 02 08:00:37 <lbt> morning
Apr 02 08:01:12 <Stskeeps> morn
Apr 02 08:07:01 <dm8tbr> good moaning
Apr 02 08:09:41 <cherrot> Who knows why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...)
Apr 02 08:14:35 <kyb3R> moan
Apr 02 09:21:33 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 02 09:21:56 <lbt> o/ Jaffa
Apr 02 09:22:42 * Jaffa wants to ask for clarification of who the "we" is on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482406.html and where the meeting minutes are. But I suspect I won't get an answer.
Apr 02 09:22:45 * thiago is now on his way to Camp KDE and LCS
Apr 02 09:23:09 <lbt> ask anyway
Apr 02 09:23:47 <Jaffa> lbt: And keep the non-contributing troublemaker badge?
Apr 02 09:24:20 <lbt> you say it well enough that it's clearly constructive
Apr 02 09:24:40 <Stskeeps> if it continues too much, lodge a complaint with TSG, we have one soon :P
Apr 02 09:24:52 <Stskeeps> which (hopefully) will solve matters a bit
Apr 02 09:24:56 <leinir> Jaffa: Totally! Pushing open process is pretty important here...
Apr 02 09:25:19 <lbt> Jaffa: anyhow, they can't fire you ;)
Apr 02 09:25:28 <thiago> next one on April 14, at new time
Apr 02 09:25:32 <Stskeeps> i still find it positive they even announce architecture changes
Apr 02 09:25:34 <thiago> 08:00 am for me...
Apr 02 09:25:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 02 09:25:47 <lbt> thiago: it's nicely placed to minimise attendance
Apr 02 09:25:54 <lbt> clever
Apr 02 09:25:58 <thiago> not really
Apr 02 09:26:04 <thiago> I think it's nicely placed to allow Asian attendance
Apr 02 09:26:15 <lbt> ah yes, we tried that before
Apr 02 09:26:22 <lbt> not so useful
Apr 02 09:26:24 * thiago is half-expecting an LG and/or a Samsung TSG member soon
Apr 02 09:26:31 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Indeed.
Apr 02 09:26:56 <lbt> Stskeeps: it's telling that such a thing is the most +ve we can find
Apr 02 09:27:09 <Jaffa> thiago: Where are the emails to meego-community for high-powered and involved people located in Asian countries asking for the time to move?
Apr 02 09:27:46 <Stskeeps> lbt: that, and the fact i've seen a lot of sentences containing "i agree" in discussions
Apr 02 09:28:05 <lbt> phone call ... bbiab
Apr 02 09:28:16 <leinir> Hmm, samsung... It'll be interesting to see how hard they'll try and push EFL... ;)
Apr 02 09:28:29 <thiago> besides, for the TSG meeting, the TSG members get to decide what time they meet
Apr 02 09:28:46 <thiago> Nokia hasn't announced the replacement for Valtteri yet
Apr 02 09:29:09 <Stskeeps> leinir: raster's obviously the new TSG member
Apr 02 09:29:13 <Stskeeps> that should be fun to watch
Apr 02 09:29:41 <thiago> :-)
Apr 02 09:29:58 <leinir> Oooh... that would be... interesting to say the least...
Apr 02 09:30:16 <thiago> maybe an HTC member too
Apr 02 09:30:25 <thiago> and why not go for Motorola?
Apr 02 09:30:36 <cherrot> I want to know why my QEMU cannot display characters? (Black boxex instead...)
Apr 02 09:30:36 <thiago> Google is screwing everyone over with Android 3.0
Apr 02 09:30:58 <thiago> cherrot: why is easy: font problems
Apr 02 09:31:55 <Stskeeps> lbt: needless to say, the architecture discussions/announcements that go on now is significantly more detailed than the previous architecture work, so i wouldn't call this a regression
Apr 02 09:32:01 <cherrot> But sometimes It can dispaly correctly while waiting a few seconds...
Apr 02 09:32:04 <thiago> flight delayed 15 minutes...
Apr 02 09:32:47 <Jaffa> lbt: Reply sent, trying to be as constructive as possible (but it may come across passive aggressive, ho hum)
Apr 02 09:33:25 <leinir> Jaffa: Well, in this case passive aggressive may be the way to go... It's not like they've not been told to do everything openly before, so... :)
Apr 02 09:33:44 <thiago> arjan was wondering last night why no one had flamed his post yet
Apr 02 09:33:47 <Jaffa> It'll be interesting to compare the response with what's described agt http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture#Process
Apr 02 09:34:02 <Stskeeps> thiago: because it doesn't contain the word 'tracker' ;)
Apr 02 09:34:36 <thiago> or "RPM"
Apr 02 09:34:39 <Stskeeps> (also, noone really knows those components, noone in meego really uses them and those who do, know they don't fit very well in)
Apr 02 09:35:02 * thiago is out of emails to read and starts reading spam
Apr 02 09:35:42 <Aard> thiago: I can forward you some more
Apr 02 09:38:09 <thiago> nah, just checking the headers to see if there's any new spam host I should add to my postfix block list
Apr 02 09:40:06 <thiago> Stskeeps: I'll keep reviewing the submissions during my flights
Apr 02 09:40:15 <thiago> up until I either manage to sleep or run out of battery
Apr 02 09:40:23 <Stskeeps> alright
Apr 02 09:40:39 <thiago> and after I'm done with our 182, there are 172 more for the desktop summit...
Apr 02 09:41:27 <Stskeeps> at least we ended up with too many instead of too few, really looked badly for a bit
Apr 02 09:41:34 <thiago> yeah
Apr 02 09:41:43 <thiago> ~180 looks like a good number
Apr 02 09:41:56 <thiago> 270 last year was too much to review
Apr 02 09:42:20 <thiago> 50-60% approval rate this time, so around 100 talks to be approved
Apr 02 09:42:59 <thiago> my idea was to use 6 rooms the first day (700+200+200+110+110+200) and schedule no BoFs
Apr 02 09:43:15 <Stskeeps> makes sense
Apr 02 09:43:24 <thiago> then on the second day, we split the two 110 rooms up and schedule BoFs
Apr 02 09:44:16 <thiago> that's 18 BoFs to be scheduled if we only use two of the four rooms
Apr 02 09:44:52 <thiago> for the third day, we leave the BoF rooms plus one of the 200 rooms unscheduled, for impromptu sessions
Apr 02 09:45:05 <Stskeeps> do we have that many? i guess we'd prolly go 50-50% for the late breaking BoFs then
Apr 02 09:45:54 <thiago> that's then 18 BoFs and 5*6 + 9*4 + 7*3 = 87 sessions
Apr 02 09:47:06 <thiago> with this scheme, we're only scheduling 40% of the BoF available space (60% still available)
Apr 02 09:47:20 <thiago> and we allow 7 non-BoF sessions
Apr 02 09:47:43 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 02 09:47:48 * thiago will make a spreadsheet
Apr 02 09:48:09 <thiago> let me load up the room list for the first flight
Apr 02 09:53:10 <Stskeeps> i'll be travelling in .dk a bit next week but should be reachable on email
Apr 02 09:59:45 * thiago has to go board his flight now
Apr 02 09:59:51 <thiago> I'll send when I am in Munich
Apr 02 10:43:38 <wathek> Hi all
Apr 02 10:44:14 <wathek> I cannot understand why the QPanGesture looks at two touched point ? why does it need two touch points ?
Apr 02 10:53:40 <ShadowJK> is it trying to emulate what certain laptop touchpads do, where you need to use two fingers with sufficient separation (ouch!) to scroll?
Apr 02 11:13:50 <koraykivanc> ?
Apr 02 13:06:39 <naquad> hi
Apr 02 13:06:54 <naquad> what is the main ui toolkit in meego? qt or gtk?
Apr 02 13:07:06 <cherrot> naquad:qt~
Apr 02 13:07:12 <naquad> thank you
Apr 02 13:07:31 <cherrot> naquad: you are welcome  See more: wiki.meego.com
Apr 02 13:24:22 <vgrade> Cambridge (UK) MeeGo Meetup, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=19782&postcount=29
Apr 02 14:15:45 <TSCHAKeee> silly question
Apr 02 14:15:52 <Stskeeps> how silly?
Apr 02 14:15:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 02 14:15:55 <TSCHAKeee> can OBS fetch package sources from SVN?
Apr 02 14:16:03 <Stskeeps> supposedly it has this source services thing
Apr 02 14:16:03 <TSCHAKeee> hey Stskeeps :)
Apr 02 14:16:55 <TSCHAKeee> ok
Apr 02 14:17:55 <TSCHAKeee> has anyone successfully installed the MeeGo SDK 1.2 preview with the Tablet target?
Apr 02 14:21:36 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, I saw some grumbings about a new SDK was required
Apr 02 14:21:47 <TSCHAKeee> yeah i think i have it
Apr 02 14:21:53 <TSCHAKeee> it installs if i don't select any targets during install
Apr 02 14:21:59 <TSCHAKeee> it barfs otherwise
Apr 02 14:23:24 <b-man`> may someone explain to me how i somehow got banned from a channel (#meego-dev) that i haven't even been on in 3 months? :P *pokes Stskeeps*
Apr 02 14:23:59 <GAN900> b-man, channel was closed.
Apr 02 14:24:01 <Stskeeps> b-man`: we shut it down, read meego-community@
Apr 02 14:24:07 <b-man`> ah, ok
Apr 02 14:56:32 <DawnFoster> quick reminder that we have planned downtime for a bunch of meego.com services today starting in 10 min. Details: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/482292.html
Apr 02 15:01:20 <RST38h> DawnFoster: Short question: who is responsible for the QtMobility API design?
Apr 02 15:01:29 <Stskeeps> RST38h: qt mobility guys
Apr 02 15:01:30 <Stskeeps> sec
Apr 02 15:02:11 <RST38h> Stskeeps: We have got DocScrutinizer here loudly (and rather justly) complaining about the lack of interrupt/signals based sensor APIs in QtMobility
Apr 02 15:02:49 <Stskeeps> #qt-mobility
Apr 02 15:02:57 <RST38h> Stskeeps: He has been previously rejected with "wait for 1.0 then commit a patch" comment, which obviously does not apply there
Apr 02 15:03:19 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Would rather have nickname of the person responsible
Apr 02 15:04:42 <Stskeeps> RST38h: don't have it, check webpages
Apr 02 16:18:05 <TSCHAKeee> okay...
Apr 02 16:18:09 <TSCHAKeee> soo....
Apr 02 16:18:50 <TSCHAKeee> say i've got a qml app, that's working well here in my dev environment... is there documentation on a spec file that OBS can chew through to make a package?
Apr 02 16:19:24 <TSCHAKeee> (in other words, how is someone that uses Qt SDK or MeeGo supposed to distribute their work?)
Apr 02 16:20:17 <Stskeeps> supposedly there is rpm stuff in sdk, or supposed to be
Apr 02 16:21:12 <TSCHAKeee> i...don't....see it...but i guess it's not in the Qt SDK.
Apr 02 16:21:27 <TSCHAKeee> i'll keep digging
Apr 02 16:41:46 <TSCHAKeee> :/ I see lots of stuff alluding to the fact that RPMs can be mde
Apr 02 16:42:04 <TSCHAKeee> but I really don't know how in the hell to kick it off
Apr 02 17:36:46 <rzr1> hi
Apr 02 17:54:13 <TSCHAKeee> has anyone in here tried using the remote deployment stuff in the meego SDK?
Apr 02 19:05:22 <wazd> Hi all
Apr 02 19:05:35 <Stskeeps> hi hi
Apr 02 19:06:19 <CosmoHill> salut
Apr 02 19:06:20 <berndhs> howdy
Apr 02 19:33:11 <ZrZ> where can i dl an image for x86 , then site is down now
Apr 02 19:33:23 <CosmoHill> hold on a second
Apr 02 19:33:45 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img
Apr 02 19:33:47 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img.md5
Apr 02 19:34:05 <ZrZ> ok i had that one meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
Apr 02 19:34:35 <ZrZ> let's hope it's spyware free :)
Apr 02 19:35:00 <CosmoHill> considering it's my mirror, it better be -.-
Apr 02 19:41:33 <berndhs> site came back
Apr 02 19:50:51 <ZrZ> thx anyway
Apr 02 19:52:38 <ZrZ> next time use gopher
Apr 02 21:05:37 * CosmoHill goes to watch russel howard on bbc3
Apr 02 23:45:15 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: i have an archos9 tablet ks for you
Apr 02 23:45:29 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: problem is, the moment a meegotouch app shows up on screen, the screen flickers like MAD
Apr 02 23:45:45 <TSCHAKeee> it's acting like mcompositor is pissed off about something.
Apr 03 00:10:55 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: damn, i just felt my soul being crushed..... am worried that the compositor issue may not be resolvable :/
Apr 03 00:12:10 <w00t_> what's the problem?
Apr 03 00:13:12 <TSCHAKeee> w00t_: any time that something other than the tablet UX's panels are on screen, the screen flickers madly to black
Apr 03 00:13:24 <TSCHAKeee> it literally looks like a compositor snafu
Apr 03 00:13:40 <TSCHAKeee> sometimes it will stop with a stable image
Apr 03 00:13:42 <w00t_> what application(s) are you trying
Apr 03 00:13:43 <TSCHAKeee> sometimes it stops black
Apr 03 00:13:48 <TSCHAKeee> everything
Apr 03 00:13:56 <TSCHAKeee> settings, photos, web browser
Apr 03 00:14:12 <w00t_> that isn't really informative, I have no idea what ux you're playing with given you're talking about meegotouch
Apr 03 00:14:15 <TSCHAKeee> terminal goes invisible until i start typing
Apr 03 00:14:22 <TSCHAKeee> w00t_: Tablet UX
Apr 03 00:14:27 <TSCHAKeee> latest in trunk
Apr 03 00:14:42 <TSCHAKeee> and as i type, the terminal text bleeds through
Apr 03 00:14:50 <TSCHAKeee> like i said, its like mcompositor and emgd are not playing nice
Apr 03 00:14:55 <w00t_> ok, it doesn't involve meegotouch, hence my confusion.. what happens when you run them from a terminal?
Apr 03 00:15:15 <w00t_> i'm guessing you will probably get errors about GL contexts
Apr 03 00:15:28 <TSCHAKeee> yes, thats probably what's happening
Apr 03 00:15:36 <TSCHAKeee> i do not have an ssh in, because i have no network yet
Apr 03 00:15:49 <TSCHAKeee> I am using the Intel EMGD... build 1893
Apr 03 00:16:18 <TSCHAKeee> GMA500, US15W chipset... I know that EMGD can do compositing, because I've used several different compositors
Apr 03 00:16:25 <TSCHAKeee> including our own Orbiter
Apr 03 00:16:45 <TSCHAKeee> (our OrbiterGL does both compositing and OpenGL)
Apr 03 00:19:33 <zakkkkm> meego works with GMA 500?
Apr 03 00:22:58 <TSCHAKeee> zakkkkm: i am putting together specific kickstarts for my hardware
Apr 03 00:23:08 <TSCHAKeee> but it is not for mere mortals
Apr 03 00:24:01 <zakkkkm> I am LPI certified, and do work in IT?
Apr 03 00:24:14 <zakkkkm> I have a acer aspire 0751h i would love to have meego.
Apr 03 00:24:29 <zakkkkm> I was going to actually attempt to sell it, and buy a new netbook
Apr 03 00:24:59 <TSCHAKeee> good for you
Apr 03 00:25:09 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
Apr 03 00:25:24 <zakkkkm> aha, i dont mean like that. I just would really like to try it if i can.
Apr 03 00:26:27 <TSCHAKeee> zakkkkm: you will have to make (1) a custom kernel adaptation for your system, with EMGD patches, (2) make a kickstart which has that and the emgd-bin package as part of its install... you'll also need to make sure that it chmod +s /usr/bin/Xorg as part of the postinstall.
Apr 03 00:26:38 <TSCHAKeee> zakkkkm: then you can assemble your own image with mic-image-creator
Apr 03 00:27:15 <TSCHAKeee> the devices that I have (Joggler and Archos 9), have stuff for touch screens and specific hardware quirks (each has their own kernel adaptation)
Apr 03 00:49:11 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, not the best placed to comment now, too mnay beers. post your ke and I'll have a look tomorrow
Apr 03 00:49:21 <vgrade> ks
Apr 03 00:50:52 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: ok
Apr 03 02:07:00 <rzr1> hi
Apr 03 02:07:18 <rzr1> i am building some app for meego
Apr 03 02:07:25 <rzr1> it is working more or less
Apr 03 02:07:34 <rzr1> but i cant install the rpm i just built
Apr 03 02:07:40 <rzr1> must it install to /opt .
Apr 03 02:07:42 <rzr1> ?
Apr 03 02:52:33 <rzr1> cpio: stat failed - Permission denied
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