**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 02:59:57 2011 Apr 10 03:31:45 halo Apr 10 03:32:09 hola Apr 10 05:01:24 somebody call the time-travelling trademark lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego_%28TV_series%29 Apr 10 05:46:19 meego has hit 1.0, does this mean it's ready for use ? Apr 10 05:47:27 we're getting to 1.2, but it's a platform, not a end-user product Apr 10 05:48:12 Stskeeps: i meant 1.0 hs been passed :) Apr 10 05:49:06 Stskeeps: what is the differnce between the platform and the end-user product ? (adding hardware drivers ?) Apr 10 05:50:21 Qantourisc: means that a vendor usually productizes it to a point where there's hardware drivers, flash support, codecs and other stuff Apr 10 05:50:53 hmmm Apr 10 05:51:23 So you'r still buying a product from the phone vendors "as is" ? Apr 10 05:51:45 a user would probably buy/get a product that's based upon meego but not equal to meego Apr 10 06:00:02 Stskeeps: and unable to drop a standard (be it with updated linux kernel) on it ? Apr 10 06:00:39 that really depends on the vendor's setup of the device really - meego's very picky to only use upstreamed interfaces on platform side Apr 10 06:01:02 "upstreamed" ? Apr 10 06:01:07 yeah, main linux kernel :P Apr 10 06:01:14 aaa Apr 10 06:01:24 thats why i said "(be it with updated linux kernel)" Apr 10 06:01:33 insterting there drivers and stuff Apr 10 06:01:44 unless ofcours they don't provide the source-code Apr 10 06:01:55 problem is i tend to keep my phones LOOOONG :) Apr 10 06:01:59 If i can't upgrade them ... Apr 10 06:01:59 they have to, under the GPL :P Apr 10 06:02:10 well, then choose a vendor that gives you that ability :) Apr 10 06:02:31 choose with your wallet Apr 10 06:02:50 Stskeeps: how did wallet get involved ? Apr 10 06:03:52 current phone is starting to break down :) So time for a new one, was concidering an iphone, but android is to java, and iPhone is to Apple-controlled-freak Apr 10 06:03:59 i mean Apr 10 06:04:07 was considering a smartphone, not an iphone Apr 10 06:04:51 PS how DOES meego do with the fact it's not running java (but a X11) instead? Or didn't this affect battery life-time ? Apr 10 06:05:32 in the past you'd say java was using more battery :P Apr 10 06:05:42 i mean, come on, x11 is from 1980 ;) Apr 10 06:05:48 not the biggest power load Apr 10 06:05:59 1984.. X11 from 1987. Apr 10 06:06:04 Stskeeps: then what is ? Apr 10 06:06:11 Stskeeps: screen ? Apr 10 06:06:14 Qantourisc: screen, wlan Apr 10 06:06:24 lack of power management in kernel Apr 10 06:06:26 * TSCHAKeee used X version 10 on an HP workstation Apr 10 06:06:28 and heavy application if you run those :) Apr 10 06:06:35 Stskeeps: ouch ... Apr 10 06:07:00 either way, meego's moving towards wayland Apr 10 06:07:06 thank god Apr 10 06:07:20 sounds good if i can run X11 (iirc it could right) ? Apr 10 06:07:42 But wayland doesn't support yet on desktop :) Apr 10 06:07:50 of course, the concept is totally different Apr 10 06:07:55 who..the fuck...cares? ;) Apr 10 06:07:59 i DO Apr 10 06:08:03 I love my window manager :) Apr 10 06:08:11 but for mobile devices and actually fixing the crap of the past, wayland is the way to go :P Apr 10 06:08:14 only a geek loves his window manager Apr 10 06:08:28 Then you haven't used a good window manager yet :p Apr 10 06:08:30 Stskeeps: indeed Apr 10 06:08:58 watching a video online ... dam that looks slow ... Apr 10 06:09:05 Qantourisc: I was using X before you got out of diapers, son. ;) Apr 10 06:09:25 (meego looks slow) Apr 10 06:09:34 (i'm not starting an argument, just making a friendly jab) Apr 10 06:09:36 Qantourisc: many different videos out there Apr 10 06:09:43 TSCHAKeee: hehe :) Apr 10 06:09:49 Stskeeps: yea going to look for a second one :) Apr 10 06:10:00 which one did you find, out of curiousity? Apr 10 06:10:00 TSCHAKeee: seriously though, i find a good window manager important :) Apr 10 06:10:01 and I am SO glad that Wayland exists Apr 10 06:10:19 because I work on a project that will require it eventually Apr 10 06:10:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHC_rFJJLGQ Apr 10 06:10:28 as the issue of using X, and a window manager, and a compositor Apr 10 06:10:30 I'm also happy about wayland Apr 10 06:10:31 verry happy Apr 10 06:10:39 has literally caused video output for us to tear Apr 10 06:10:47 because of the lag from the triple buffering occurring Apr 10 06:10:52 between mapping in the window manager Apr 10 06:10:58 interactions with the compositor Apr 10 06:11:01 etc. Apr 10 06:11:04 still i need a good tiling window manager before i can ever switch : Apr 10 06:11:04 :) Apr 10 06:11:06 and it is not frame synchronized Apr 10 06:12:49 X11 sure has it's issue, and this window manager is suspectible to it :/ Apr 10 06:18:12 So how far is meego 1.1 ? (in terms of can be used) Apr 10 06:18:36 * TSCHAKeee uses MeeGo Netbook every damned day, literally Apr 10 06:18:52 TSCHAKeee: netbook, i was talking phones actuall Apr 10 06:19:15 1.1 was never intended to be very usable Apr 10 06:19:31 "ow" ok Apr 10 06:19:54 1.2 will be. at least if you install the n900 DE Apr 10 06:19:55 PS anyone tried to drop on a standard linux app on it ? :) Apr 10 06:19:59 DE ? Apr 10 06:20:08 developer edition Apr 10 06:20:11 a Apr 10 06:20:21 define "standard linux app" Apr 10 06:20:32 :) Apr 10 06:20:33 i.e.: rdesktop Apr 10 06:20:51 * dm8tbr was expecting xeyes Apr 10 06:21:02 xteerm! Apr 10 06:21:28 that was already working with code drop 1.0 Apr 10 06:21:41 dm8tbr: nice Apr 10 06:21:59 xterm + ssh ? Apr 10 06:22:08 or other term Apr 10 06:23:54 there, my trip to tampere fully organised Apr 10 06:24:00 cool Apr 10 06:24:25 Qantourisc: both there Apr 10 06:24:33 Fancy, also going to assume imap works ? Apr 10 06:24:46 And an iCall based app ... Apr 10 06:25:02 that's all i need to be able to plugin the phone to a envirement using standards Apr 10 06:25:28 (preferibly with ability to pull and push from online location the .ical files) Apr 10 07:52:25 morning Apr 10 09:21:29 damn hayfever Apr 10 09:22:14 Aww, I seem to be okay so far. Apr 10 09:22:27 Think last year was just a freak thing of me. Apr 10 09:23:04 I normally don't have it until later in the year Apr 10 09:25:18 Yeah Apr 10 10:22:28 Hi Apr 10 10:22:42 I am trying to insall MeeGo on a Webtab and ran into some issues Apr 10 10:23:16 The system boots to a certain stage and then complains that it can't find the root fileystem and wants me to create a symlink to /dev/root Apr 10 10:24:24 what am I supposed to do? Connect a second usb drive with a linux filesystem (ext3 or something like that) and then symlink the device node to /dev/root ? Apr 10 11:17:15 ~seen vgrade Apr 10 11:17:17 vgrade <~martinbro@cpc2-nrte22-2-0-cust128.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 13h 28m 57s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee, has there been any EMGD updates posted on meego-commits? we could try raising a bug report and see where that goes'. Apr 10 11:45:55 morning Apr 10 11:51:44 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/9451405.stm Apr 10 11:51:53 "Web enabled TVs are the new battleground" :) Apr 10 11:56:01 DO NOT WANT Apr 10 11:57:18 I don't like some things going online Apr 10 11:57:38 I wasn't very happy when a blu-ray we watched made us wait for it to download an advert off the internet Apr 10 11:57:42 I want everything online, in the way that I want all my devices to integrate. Apr 10 11:57:53 yeah well good luck with that Apr 10 11:58:12 doesn't that create a single point of failure / entry? Apr 10 11:58:25 because the people who make the devices are only interested in integrating with adverts Apr 10 11:58:43 ooo, I hope there will be an adblock for internet TV :) Apr 10 11:58:58 thanks to adblock I forget there are adverts online Apr 10 11:59:00 not a chance Apr 10 11:59:05 Heh Apr 10 11:59:12 If it's meego I bet we could do something ;) Apr 10 11:59:18 nope Apr 10 11:59:30 When I say integration I mean things like, uPnP for media sharing. Apr 10 11:59:33 fine, I'll just have to create a private proxy server to filter it for me Apr 10 11:59:40 anythign involving TV will have enough DRM to totally prevent it Apr 10 11:59:49 our TV can share videos and stuff with our computers Apr 10 12:00:00 but the PS3 connected to it has wifi and does a much better / faster job Apr 10 12:00:05 they'll find a way to stop that Apr 10 12:00:15 unless you pay $20/month to unlock that feature Apr 10 12:01:23 * alterego downloads some tablet images to create an SDK Apr 10 12:02:16 you know services like demand five that stop the video at 5, 15 and 30 mins to show you an advert, not with adblock :) Apr 10 12:03:15 Yeah, I doubt you'd be able to filter those out. Apr 10 12:03:22 hmmm, just thinking, if you don't have any packages sky will want money for your sky+ box to work as a sky+ box Apr 10 12:03:33 But so what, if it subsidises your service I don't think adverts are too bad. Apr 10 12:03:36 I always mute them anyway. Apr 10 12:04:13 i don't care about adverts Apr 10 12:04:22 it's the user profiling that i don't like Apr 10 12:04:30 Yeah, Apr 10 12:04:46 It can feel somewhat invasive, and in a a lot of cases it is quite invasive :) Apr 10 12:04:51 hmm, I kinda wondered what happens to user profilling if you have a friend over Apr 10 12:05:03 it's not just invasive, it's also destroying culture Apr 10 12:05:18 Hah, that's a bit melodramatic no? Apr 10 12:05:24 when everyone has their own custom TV channel where they can watch whatever they want 24 hours a day Apr 10 12:05:35 basically everyone is living intheir own private world Apr 10 12:05:37 this is bad Apr 10 12:06:00 My mother pauses pay tv for 30 minutes before sitting down to watch it so she can skip the ads. Apr 10 12:06:14 you mean like how the current generation will be social retards because of facebook? Apr 10 12:06:16 And if you accidently put it back to live tv, you will be beheaded Apr 10 12:06:26 accidentally* Apr 10 12:06:44 CosmoHill: not really, it's more like... Apr 10 12:07:01 people who watch fox news and no other news, and think fox news is completely accurate Apr 10 12:07:06 Termana: on our sky box, you can record something, sit down at any point whilst it's still on and rewird to the start of the program Apr 10 12:07:10 even if it;s on a different channel Apr 10 12:07:28 except in the future, everyone will have their own 24 hour news channel that tells them only what they want to hear, and it will be unique for each person Apr 10 12:07:40 s/person/america/ Apr 10 12:08:08 You're right, but I don't see that actually changing anything. Apr 10 12:08:10 CosmoHill, yeah, she can do that to, I think she just likes playing with the buttons Apr 10 12:08:32 For example, some sad women that reads a lot of lady gossip mags isn't going to be interested in the middle east. Apr 10 12:08:47 So what's the difference? She probably doesn't watch the news or ever has. Apr 10 12:08:55 Me, I like reading and watching the news. Apr 10 12:09:00 And I'll continue to do it. Apr 10 12:09:13 ali1234, what if I said I like Fox News? Apr 10 12:09:20 :p Apr 10 12:09:33 Termana: liking it isnt the same as believing it Apr 10 12:09:34 And if _my_ news channel is filtering out gossip and entertainment news, thank god :) Apr 10 12:10:24 anybody here who successfully installed MeeGo for Tablets on WeTab? Apr 10 12:10:30 thing is that with these "suggested content" things i don't get the choice Apr 10 12:10:41 i get what the machine feeds me Apr 10 12:10:45 Lazy people will continue to be lazy, for others' I think tailoured content may actually improve their lives. Like spending less time looking for that episode of west wing that was on last week or whatever. Apr 10 12:10:49 based on what it thinks about me as a person Apr 10 12:11:17 I do however believe all systems that do user profiling should have an opt-out/switch-off button Apr 10 12:11:27 so in the future i won't even get the choice of watching fox, because i'm not a right wing nutcase (i'm a left wing nutcase) Apr 10 12:11:32 Australian news is all junk and... Australian. The only other news channel I get is basically Fox News, so I watch Fox and Friends. It's a lot better, so that's probably saying something about Australian News. Apr 10 12:11:42 And it looks like things are going that way anyway, at least in the EU, where sites will now have to have an opt-out for browser tracking. Apr 10 12:12:33 And this is pretty much the same thing, it's all "online" content isn't it really. Apr 10 12:13:04 * RST38h involuntarily throws up at the mention of Fox Apr 10 12:13:14 if i go on youtube front page i get that "suggested videos" stuff, there's no way to override what it thinks i like except with subscriptions which are totally different Apr 10 12:13:49 ali1234: there's no point in trying to hide your animal porn fetish we all know about it already :P Apr 10 12:13:59 :p Apr 10 12:14:00 each-to-their-own .. :D Apr 10 12:14:33 thing is, i'd rather have a shared experience by... seeing the same view of youtube as everyone else sees Apr 10 12:14:47 i think that is what is missing from all these social sites Apr 10 12:15:01 ali1234: yes, it is annoying, say, if you see something and say to a friend: "Look at hte front page of youtube" but it's not there for them. Apr 10 12:15:03 if it looks different for everyone who visits, it's not really social at all Apr 10 12:15:04 ali1234, you need to sign out and stop hogging all the cookies Apr 10 12:15:04 That is annoying, Apr 10 12:15:26 I suppose linkedin is slightly more consistent in that regard. Apr 10 12:16:21 if you go back to the 90s... TV was all about "watercooler moments" - and that only happens when everyone watches the same shows Apr 10 12:16:44 now everyone's like "what did you watch last night" "oh some show i downloaded" "oh, i never heard of it" "lol" Apr 10 12:16:53 which sucks Apr 10 12:17:28 ali1234, man have you seen Watson? We're all being replaced by robots anyway, that's the real 2012! Apr 10 12:17:32 :p Apr 10 12:17:41 no, i never heard of it Apr 10 12:17:47 lol Apr 10 12:17:48 Heh Apr 10 12:17:51 lol :P Apr 10 12:18:23 I dunno, the social dynamic has changed, "Have you watched this TV show, or this film, no? Oh you really should, it's right up your street. Or it's rubbish, don't bother :D" Apr 10 12:18:31 So that is actually kind of useful really .. Apr 10 12:18:49 My "water cooler" moments are still as interesting. Apr 10 12:19:13 alterego, you don't actually have a water cooler though do you? Apr 10 12:19:39 It's ok to admit it dude, I have one too Apr 10 12:19:40 :p Apr 10 12:19:47 :) Apr 10 12:19:50 I have a tap Apr 10 12:20:11 As I'm a indie consultant now I don't have a water cooler, or indeed anyone to talk to around it if I did :P Apr 10 12:20:57 My water cooler is now "The Pub" :D Apr 10 12:21:07 heh :p Apr 10 12:21:09 Though that hasn't realy ever changed even when I was working in an office ^.^ Apr 10 12:22:25 alterego, your doing IT consultanting I assume? Apr 10 12:22:35 Yeah, Apr 10 12:22:39 consulting* Apr 10 12:22:53 web sites, web apps and adhoc solutions. Apr 10 12:23:50 alterego, it's ok, I was just making sure you had not gone to the dark side. IP Law consulting Apr 10 12:23:51 :p Apr 10 12:24:07 woof Apr 10 12:24:19 I don't even know enough about that :P Apr 10 12:24:34 I'm sure I'm infringing patents on a day-to-day basis Apr 10 12:24:43 Luckily I live in the EU I guess :D Apr 10 12:25:45 Loving this weather Apr 10 12:26:05 my netgear router sucks so much I almost tried to vacuum my room with it Apr 10 12:26:16 Hah Apr 10 12:26:30 Does the exo have fan assisted cooling? Apr 10 12:27:48 darn internet Apr 10 12:28:02 Termana: I concur Apr 10 12:28:09 / swear at netgear Apr 10 12:28:44 12 mins I should hopefully have a tablet vm and qt creator integration :) Apr 10 12:29:08 Want to do some prelim prototype of Columbus v2 Qml ui Apr 10 12:32:32 alterego: finally added a map? =) Apr 10 12:32:52 RST38h: that is a v2 feature :P Apr 10 12:33:06 I still haven't finished v1 yet :D Apr 10 12:33:09 yooohooo Apr 10 12:33:18 Just fancied a little play Apr 10 12:33:53 I have an "open location in google maps" plugin though :D Apr 10 12:36:20 ot: is safari rendering pretty much the same as webkit? Apr 10 12:38:41 Venemo: welcome back :) Apr 10 12:38:56 hey alterego :) Apr 10 12:41:23 * alterego contemplates lunch Apr 10 12:54:16 it's the 10th of april and I'm already on hayfever pills :( Apr 10 12:54:27 Heh Apr 10 12:54:34 Where abouts are you? Apr 10 12:54:42 I swear last year I got to mid may Apr 10 12:54:44 essex, uk Apr 10 12:55:20 what sucks is that I started noticing it yesterday but the last 20 mins it's really hit my hard Apr 10 12:57:01 Harsh, yeah, last year was pretty crazy for me (in Cambridge) Apr 10 12:57:12 CosmoHill: come to finland. here stuff starts waaay later, you can go back to UK when it starts here :) Apr 10 12:57:22 Nothing yet though this year, never really used to be a sufferer either. Apr 10 12:57:23 my allergies are a lot less when I wear contact lenses Apr 10 12:57:42 I tried contacts when I was younger Apr 10 12:57:55 "this is the closest we have to your perscription" Apr 10 12:58:26 if I ever wanna know what it's like to be stonned I just had to tilt my head a blink a few times and the world turns into a blur of colours Apr 10 12:58:41 yeah can be a problem Apr 10 12:58:53 i get dizzy when i wear glasses now Apr 10 12:58:55 (my contact lens were weighted) Apr 10 12:59:14 my eyes are different from each other, so different distortion with glasses Apr 10 12:59:50 takes an hour for my brain to adjust Apr 10 13:00:54 X-Fade: ping Apr 10 13:00:58 btw, if you do get hayfever and it feels like a load of snot is in your nose / throat, have a fizzy drink, it really helps Apr 10 13:01:09 Thank god for rsync Apr 10 13:01:24 that's what she said Apr 10 13:02:16 Well, she speaks the truth Apr 10 13:32:18 Hurp, the tablet ux doesn't boot under vbox :( Apr 10 13:35:12 I think my hayfever pill has fully kicked in now Apr 10 13:35:25 I'm gonna sit in the garden and mock the flowers Apr 10 13:36:00 Hahah Apr 10 13:36:24 Cosmo:Sounds like you are not using the right pill Apr 10 13:36:46 either way nobody can get me pregnant tonight Apr 10 15:02:59 Anyone had any luck running tablet ux under qemu/kvm or virtualbox? Apr 10 15:03:11 My isos boot but complain about lack of framebuffer device. Apr 10 15:03:21 You need Stskeeps. Apr 10 15:03:42 Stskeeps: ping ^ @D Apr 10 15:03:43 And probably a specific Intel video controller Apr 10 15:03:48 URgh Apr 10 15:03:56 I've got nVidia :P Apr 10 15:04:14 Might be a problem. Dunno. You are running the x86 image, right? Apr 10 15:04:39 Yeah Apr 10 15:05:00 There is an N900 version nowadays, you may have more luck with it Apr 10 15:05:41 Yeah, have that running, I'd prefer a full tablet UX running on my development machine at the moment so I can mess with larger screen estate. Apr 10 15:06:12 Buy an x86 netbook! =) Apr 10 15:06:28 * RST38h laughs satanically Apr 10 15:06:31 I have one, but my gf stole it :( Apr 10 15:36:11 I think meego could benifit from something similar to my current semantic research in UI stuff for context menus. Apr 10 15:36:52 I was watching a youtube video from mwc and someone was asking if they could share content directly from a panel, but the handler had to open the images ui to do it. Apr 10 15:37:16 Sort of makes sense to have context menus more consistent for things like images etc .. Apr 10 15:39:39 alterego: you want to send complex data between applications ? Apr 10 15:40:05 alterego: or rather, you want to have an organized way to do that ? Apr 10 15:40:31 berndhs: no, I'm working on a system for an app of mine, that has a "type repository" which allows your view logic to expose general actions depending on object instance type. Apr 10 15:41:00 alterego: better MME typing stuff ? Apr 10 15:41:05 So it sees a geo location in a list and says: "okay the user can do this, populate menu with these actions"n Apr 10 15:41:08 MIME even Apr 10 15:41:32 Not mime no, though that obviously has some weight. This is application level. Apr 10 15:42:23 If it was utilised across ux you could click on a contact from the facebook feed and it'd allow you to initiate im, make a call etc. Apr 10 15:42:29 oh, action-types attached to data types Apr 10 15:42:35 Exactly. Apr 10 15:43:08 and then an app provides its own implementation of the action types Apr 10 15:43:12 I'm actually implementing it as a way for app plugins to add context menu items in my app Apr 10 15:44:25 Well in my app the "action" is a label and a pointer to a callable function, where you pass in an instance of the data/class that the menu was built for Apr 10 15:45:32 And the type repository is basically a hash/dictionary of type names to a list of action objects Apr 10 15:46:00 yes i see Apr 10 15:46:12 I plan on extending it to handle view profiles like "list", "singular" and "table" or some such. Apr 10 15:49:48 berndhs: so what do you think, good idea, bad idea? :) Apr 10 15:50:06 I was talking to you a while ago about next gen UXs wasn't I? :) Apr 10 15:50:33 I think it can help to ensure that apps fit in more completely Apr 10 15:50:44 not just in style, but in completeness of interface Apr 10 15:51:05 Yeah Apr 10 15:51:16 I think that is where this is going Apr 10 15:52:23 i've been thinking about some other aspects Apr 10 15:52:45 Well, if you've got time I'm happy to hear them :) Apr 10 15:52:47 division of data models and presentation is one Apr 10 15:53:07 and another is a "distance" measure between functions Apr 10 15:53:44 like, how many user interactions between app function send-document and adjust-settings Apr 10 15:53:51 Like UX profiling? Apr 10 15:54:09 I was thinking of writing a http log analyser to do that for some of my web applications actually :) Apr 10 15:54:20 sort of, I want a more formal way do describe these things Apr 10 15:54:49 have to write this stuff down somewhere Apr 10 15:55:12 other silly things, like how many elements a user can tell apart Apr 10 15:55:23 where the answer is 5 :) Apr 10 15:55:41 Oh you mean from visual recognition Apr 10 15:55:59 because visually, 6 = many Apr 10 15:56:01 Like how good the brain is at recognising differences from first glance? Apr 10 15:56:11 no just how many items Apr 10 15:56:26 if its more than 5, the brain starts chunking them into groups Apr 10 15:56:41 doesn't matter how smart the person is Apr 10 15:57:13 I wonder if fish eye list views would improve that. Apr 10 15:57:28 hmm maybe Apr 10 15:57:40 But with the current high resolution of displays, lists do tend to show a lot of information in one viewport. Apr 10 15:57:56 you mean like showing the middle 3 big and clear, and the rest small and fuzzy ? Apr 10 15:57:56 But a lot of people hate wasted space, so :D Apr 10 15:58:05 Yeah just like that Apr 10 15:58:16 Or zooming in the center/current ones Apr 10 15:58:39 i think thats a gradual way of limiting the number Apr 10 15:59:26 the 5 is serious, I didn't just make that up Apr 10 15:59:36 I don't doubt it :) Apr 10 15:59:39 and I think it ties into the "distance" concept Apr 10 16:02:32 because with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another stop Apr 10 16:02:32 s/stop/step/ Apr 10 16:02:32 berndhs meant: because with more than 5 and the brain doing chunking to sub-groups, you effectively add another step Apr 10 16:02:32 Yeah Apr 10 16:02:32 I think more than 3 steps and I get bored :) Apr 10 16:02:32 so instead of see-list + hit-choice, you have see-list + chunk-list + hit-choice Apr 10 16:02:33 and yes, more than 3 steps and people forget whey they started doing it Apr 10 16:02:33 s/whey/why Apr 10 16:02:45 Right, lets see if this image works in virtualbox Apr 10 16:03:30 i ahven't tried tablet in a while Apr 10 16:04:08 I really want to get into it :) Apr 10 16:04:35 tablet is interesting as a cross between phone and netbook Apr 10 16:05:49 I'm interested to see how much life is in netbooks. Apr 10 16:06:10 I'm wondering whether tablet will be more popular. Apr 10 16:06:11 just need a nice marketing name for that Apr 10 16:06:13 I also like the panel idea for TV Apr 10 16:06:14 Well, look at that :) Apr 10 16:06:14 It worked :D Apr 10 16:06:14 cool Apr 10 16:06:14 framerate is appalling :D Apr 10 16:06:14 I'm gonna see if it's any better in qemu/kvm Apr 10 16:06:49 alterego: we took a very different approach, and made everything overlay as subtle as possible, in LinuxMCE... atop the media...being as out of the way as possible... we just didn't have very good artists :( Apr 10 16:07:15 :) Apr 10 16:10:18 UX needs a collaboration of engineering, visual arts, and cognitive science Apr 10 16:11:19 Needs common sense and restraint, first of all Apr 10 16:12:08 After all, Google UIs seemed to be doing very well without any of the above, for a long while =) Apr 10 16:12:21 Heh Apr 10 16:15:33 well, you can also do marketing instead Apr 10 16:28:18 I might stick this on a usb disk and shove it on a netbook to play Apr 10 16:28:18 i still dont get the difference between a laptop and a netbook Apr 10 16:28:18 Well, works better in vbox, still pretty aweful though :D Apr 10 16:28:19 This is very poor performance. Apr 10 16:28:19 berndhs: NETBOOK = slow, Atom-based cheap crap whose only claimto fame is being cute and tiny Apr 10 16:28:19 ah Apr 10 16:28:19 berndhs: LAPTOP = something with a real x86 (or AMD) CPU capable of real work, but also very hot and more expensive Apr 10 16:28:19 Not necessarily heavier though Apr 10 16:28:19 Mostly form factor and power yeah Apr 10 16:28:19 or larger Apr 10 16:28:20 * RST38h has got a laptop that is smaller than some netbooks Apr 10 16:28:20 N900? :P Apr 10 16:28:20 so if you're a big person, the size and weight are less important :) Apr 10 16:28:20 No, a Portege Apr 10 16:28:20 hey all..has meego got a build-in updater? Apr 10 16:28:20 Annoying meego tablet doesn't see the cd .. Apr 10 16:28:20 berndhs: my experience shows that both are important Apr 10 16:28:20 user, it has built in manual package management ... :D Apr 10 16:28:21 alterego: would that mean that it's possible after installing meego de 1.99 on my n900 i could use the package management to sort of rolling upgrade through a certain repo? Apr 10 16:28:21 In theory Apr 10 16:28:21 Not sure how well it actually works though Apr 10 16:28:21 You should be able to set the repo to use "latest" and do whatever zypper commands cause it to update/upgrade packages. Apr 10 16:28:39 Where's Stskeeps when you need him :) Apr 10 16:29:07 cool..so then theres no need to download each build and flash it onto the device? Apr 10 16:29:18 Well, like I said, it probably wont work :P Apr 10 16:29:23 But it may be worth a try Apr 10 17:34:02 Can't get the vbox additions to work :/ Apr 10 17:53:55 the vbox addons aren't designed for meego Apr 10 17:53:57 yet.... Apr 10 17:58:19 * dm8tbr got them to work Apr 10 17:58:38 but netbook freaked out with the vbox opengl :( Apr 10 17:58:53 haven't tried with tablet Apr 10 17:59:30 Oh, that's what I'm trying to get to work :P **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 18:20:30 2011 Apr 10 20:37:20 ~seen lcuk Apr 10 20:37:27 lcuk was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 22h 41m 24s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'. Apr 10 20:38:07 I hope lcuk is well and okay... Apr 10 21:53:03 Venemo: lcuk is OK - talked to him yesterday. He's taking a break from IRC to prep the house for the new baby due in a couple months & squeeze in one more vacation before it's due :) Apr 10 21:53:41 DawnFoster, ok, that's good to hear. I was seriously afraid that he is hurt or something Apr 10 21:53:44 DawnFoster: thanks for the update Apr 10 21:54:46 DawnFoster, if you talk to him again, give him my advice: "if you can't swim, don't climb a tree because you'll get hit by a tram" :) he will appreciate the humor Apr 10 21:56:35 Venemo: will do! Apr 10 21:56:43 :) :P Apr 10 21:57:02 * CosmoHill tilts his head Apr 10 21:57:42 i feel much better now, it was bugging me Apr 10 21:57:56 I was fine until you two started worrying Apr 10 22:36:42 I was fine, he said he was having a vbreak Apr 10 23:12:56 * CosmoHill punches VMware in the fast for making the host as slow as shite after suspending a guest Apr 10 23:40:13 ~seen berndhs_meego Apr 10 23:40:17 berndhs_meego <~berndhs_m@2001:4830:1135:1:216:36ff:fe63:6551> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 120d 1h 29m 36s ago, saying: 'andyross: I know the lib is there, in an deprecated version, just wondering if anyone actually uses it'. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:57 2011