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Apr 13 03:40:37 <iekku> morning
Apr 13 03:42:16 <gabrbedd> \o.
Apr 13 03:42:42 * gabrbedd does happy dance
Apr 13 03:43:03 <gabrbedd> finally isolated a really frustrating OpenGL bug.
Apr 13 04:54:24 <WB7ODYFred> what bug did you find gabrbedd.   Congrats on isolating it
Apr 13 05:43:18 <timeless_w7ip> dawnfoster: do i count as community wrt being shocked by arm twisting @intel? :)
Apr 13 05:44:50 <Stskeeps> there is a thing for sponsorship stating you must have proof that your employer said no
Apr 13 05:45:00 <Stskeeps> so thats about it
Apr 13 05:46:14 <timeless_w7ip> ali1234: fwiw, i'm planning to have mxr's repo.meego.com have a DVCS backend (exposed) for its index
Apr 13 05:46:21 <timeless_w7ip> i haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but..
Apr 13 05:46:46 <timeless_w7ip> that way you'll be able to retrieve any version of the world that mxr has indexed using a DVCS instead of having to fight obscure tools
Apr 13 05:50:59 <timeless_w7ip> ali: nokia's track record for getting devices in stores isn't wonderful
Apr 13 05:51:21 <timeless_w7ip> in fact, if you were an investor in US markets, your best bet whenever Nokia partners w/ a US merchant is to short the merchant
Apr 13 05:51:30 <timeless_w7ip> (nokia seems to pick the companies which go out of business)
Apr 13 06:19:25 <abhijeet> does qt SDK 1.1 supports developing application for meego device or we have to separately download the meego Qt SDK to develop meego application.
Apr 13 06:24:06 <TSCHAKeee> ali1234: I first used tablet hardware, back in 1991. I still have the GRiDPAD I bought back then... $8,000 .... Saw the Atari ST Pad later that year at CeBIT.
Apr 13 06:24:30 <TSCHAKeee> ali1234: ....i've been waiting for the "tablet revolution" for long time too. ;)
Apr 13 06:49:21 <fabo> abhijeet: you need MeeGo SDK
Apr 13 07:11:26 <abhijeet> fabo: okay...
Apr 13 07:42:19 <alterego> Is application .ini config files using QSettings prefered over gconf?
Apr 13 07:49:47 <eraserhead> hello all
Apr 13 07:55:37 <amjad>  i hope i get build.meego.com for packaging powerdebugtool , filed a bug in bugzilla, fingers crossed
Apr 13 07:55:53 <Stskeeps> otherwise there's always build.pub.meego.com
Apr 13 07:56:19 <amjad> i have it build on build.pub.meego.com. but wanted it to be included into mainline :)
Apr 13 07:59:18 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 13 07:59:21 <Stskeeps> morn jaffa
Apr 13 09:29:26 <CosmoHill> you know on windows Adobe Flash prompts you to install updates
Apr 13 09:29:33 <CosmoHill> does the linux client do that?
Apr 13 09:29:54 <alterego> Kind of
Apr 13 09:30:07 <alterego> When you visit a site that requires a greater version it tells you to update :D
Apr 13 09:30:19 <CosmoHill> I'll put down "on"
Apr 13 09:30:25 <CosmoHill> s/on/no/
Apr 13 09:30:26 <infobot> CosmoHill meant: I'll put down "no"
Apr 13 09:35:19 * CosmoHill is working on his assignments
Apr 13 09:51:39 <lbt> I have a 6-core CPU and 8Gb of RAM ... WTF does openoffice take 30seconds to change directory ?
Apr 13 09:52:00 <Stskeeps> lbt: NFS? :>
Apr 13 09:52:04 <Myrtti> it's openoffice
Apr 13 09:52:18 <X-Fade> Swap out all the 6GB of RAM openoffice eats? :)
Apr 13 09:52:45 <lbt> Stskeeps: I have nfs on the system... but not these dirs
Apr 13 09:53:20 <lbt> no, not RAM -- only 600Mb resident
Apr 13 09:53:34 <lbt> I think Myrtti got it... :/
Apr 13 09:54:09 * lbt eats lemon cake whilst waiting
Apr 13 09:54:15 <Myrtti> if it's normal wordprocessing you need, then try abiword or editor of choice + latex
Apr 13 09:54:37 <Myrtti> I vote for latter
Apr 13 09:54:45 <lbt> presenter
Apr 13 09:55:08 <lbt> latex.... that's been a while...
Apr 13 09:55:11 <Myrtti> editor of choice + latex + beamer or other presentation slideset package
Apr 13 09:55:38 <lbt> 1993 I think was the last time I used that
Apr 13 09:55:51 <Myrtti> latex is like good wine, it just gets better
Apr 13 09:56:10 <lbt> :)
Apr 13 09:59:29 <Myrtti> or try jessyink
Apr 13 10:00:18 <Myrtti> or google docs
Apr 13 10:17:33 <lamikr> I have newer used to use latex directly, but lyx as a kind of frontend suits for me.
Apr 13 10:23:51 <CosmoHill> ffs my bro's PC got a virus
Apr 13 10:26:43 <leinir> install linux and go "There! Virus gone" ;)
Apr 13 10:30:11 <CosmoHill> as soon as WoW release a linux client
Apr 13 10:31:10 <lcapriotti> hi, I'm trying to use uxlaunch on a plain ubuntu, it works but I'd like to achieve a cleaner boot experience
Apr 13 10:31:25 <timeless_w7ip> http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_functionality_on_Wine
Apr 13 10:31:47 <lcapriotti> now I have plymouth, then text screen with some boot messages, then X kicks in
Apr 13 10:32:01 <lcapriotti> I'd like to avoid the boot text being shown
Apr 13 10:35:00 <leinir> CosmoHill: well, i know a good few people who run it in cedega or transgaming... and report better results than on windows... granted, this was a couple of years back, but... :)
Apr 13 10:48:58 <leinir> ho hum... why can't i find any info about QtSparql on the dev site? as in, at all?
Apr 13 11:00:06 <Termana> morning
Apr 13 11:01:02 <slaine> morning Termana
Apr 13 11:01:09 <CosmoHill> bleh
Apr 13 11:01:25 <slaine> you too CosmoHill
Apr 13 11:04:32 <CosmoHill> dammit
Apr 13 13:35:54 <naquad> can i somehow add slim or gdm to disable autologin?
Apr 13 13:46:04 <gabrbedd> naquad: I think there's a gconf setting somewhere.  E.g. the installer asks (or used to ask... I think) if you wanted a passwordless login.
Apr 13 13:46:41 <naquad> gabrbedd, exactly vice versa, i need display manager which will ask login and password
Apr 13 13:54:42 <gabrbedd> naquad: Yes, that's what I said.  If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selection the option will require a password.
Apr 13 13:55:12 <gabrbedd> s/selection/selecting/
Apr 13 13:55:12 <infobot> gabrbedd meant: naquad: Yes, that's what I said.  If there's an option for a pw-less login... then it stands to reason that NOT selecting the option will require a password.
Apr 13 13:56:28 <gabrbedd> naquad: So I'll bet there's a gconf key so that you can go `gconftool-2 -s -t bool /some/random/path/RequirePassword false` and it'll work
Apr 13 13:56:29 <berndhs> in the netbook installer, there is no option. It is password-less automatically
Apr 13 13:57:26 <gabrbedd> berndhs: I could have sworn I saw it in the 1.0 or 1.1 days... maybe it was removed?  Maybe it was a different OS I'm thinking of?  I dunno.
Apr 13 13:57:44 <naquad> gabrbedd, berndhs, i've just rewrote uxlaunch + installed slim and xdg-autostart tool
Apr 13 13:57:47 <naquad> works fine
Apr 13 13:59:57 <gabrbedd> berndhs: But what I always thought was funny about the Netbook UX is that it was by default config'd for password-less.  But the screen saver /would/ require a password.
Apr 13 14:00:34 <naquad> gabrbedd, only in case when /etc/sysconfig/lock-screen or ~/.config/lock-screen exist
Apr 13 14:01:50 <berndhs> gabrbedd: along the same lines, it auto-generates the host name
Apr 13 14:02:20 <berndhs> so this is supposed to be a 1-user machine, and only 1 machine per user
Apr 13 14:06:40 <Myrtti> is it just me or is there something funny on meego.com frontpage?
Apr 13 14:07:37 <Myrtti> I see a weird "Link" on the left hand side in the white margin
Apr 13 14:08:01 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Yeah, the designers don't have widescreen :)
Apr 13 14:08:10 <berndhs> margin looks white here
Apr 13 14:08:24 <Myrtti> I personally think that the "read more" sf2011 link is broken somehow
Apr 13 14:08:27 <X-Fade> It is a css trick where you move things way left.
Apr 13 14:08:40 <X-Fade> But not far enough obviously ;)
Apr 13 14:08:55 <Myrtti> ... on row 104 in the html source
Apr 13 14:09:29 <X-Fade> Yes, css.
Apr 13 14:09:40 <Myrtti> oh ok
Apr 13 14:10:35 <Myrtti> if I didn't have this bloody headache, I might do a bug report, but right now I can't even glance the white bugzilla page
Apr 13 14:12:09 <GAN900> X-Fade, any chance you could look at the IRC cloaks at some point? *g*
Apr 13 14:13:19 <X-Fade> GAN900: Yes, can you make a list?
Apr 13 14:13:54 <GAN900> Sure
Apr 13 14:14:36 <Myrtti> could someone poke reggie
Apr 13 14:14:55 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Why?
Apr 13 14:15:09 <Myrtti> there's a persistant spammer on the forum
Apr 13 14:15:40 <Myrtti> and I have privileges to do something to the matter only on the General discussion, not on other forums
Apr 13 14:15:55 <Myrtti> and I can't ban
Apr 13 14:17:01 <X-Fade> Myrtti: ok, pinging..
Apr 13 14:17:06 <Myrtti> oo, nevermind
Apr 13 14:17:13 <Myrtti> he's online for the looks of it
Apr 13 14:17:23 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Yeah, talking to him.
Apr 13 14:17:45 <Myrtti> ♥
Apr 13 14:20:25 <RST38h> Moo, Myrtti
Apr 13 14:28:07 <Myrtti> mmm pesto chicken
Apr 13 14:28:11 <Myrtti> moo RST38h
Apr 13 15:02:54 <ScriptRipper> ping lbt
Apr 13 15:03:17 <lbt> hey ScriptRipper
Apr 13 17:26:39 <ScriptRipper> hey lbt
Apr 13 17:45:19 <Venemo> ~seen lcuk
Apr 13 17:45:31 <infobot> lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 12d 19h 49m 7s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'.
Apr 13 17:47:44 <gabrbedd> Venemo: His nick showed up in here a few days ago... but he didn't say anything.
Apr 13 17:48:05 <gabrbedd> I'm guessing he just had brief internet access to check e-mail or something.
Apr 13 17:48:38 <Venemo> mhm
Apr 13 17:48:51 <Venemo> thanks gabrbedd :)
Apr 13 18:31:26 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: ping. Is the TSG meeting for tomorrow morning (tonight your time) confirmed?
Apr 13 18:31:54 <Stskeeps> schedule came out this morning, at least
Apr 13 18:31:59 <Stskeeps>  / agenda
Apr 13 18:32:11 <DawnFoster> as of this morning, it was confirmed :)
Apr 13 18:35:06 <Stskeeps> at least the ZTE joining is a good sign -- and that we finally get a 1.1 compliance program
Apr 13 18:35:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 13 18:35:32 <thiago_home> just wondering because I know Imad is travelling
Apr 13 18:35:51 <thiago_home> and if it's not happening, I can get another hour of sleep or more
Apr 13 18:38:17 <gabrbedd> thiago_home: You sleep?
Apr 13 18:39:13 <thiago_home> gabrbedd: I fake it
Apr 13 18:40:12 <gabrbedd> thiago_home: :-)
Apr 13 18:40:27 <DawnFoster> I don't think any of you sleep!
Apr 13 18:40:49 <lbt> why would we sleep ?
Apr 13 18:40:51 <w00t_> thiago_home never sleeps, he just suspends
Apr 13 18:41:14 <thiago_home> yeah, like my laptop today
Apr 13 18:41:18 <lbt> not on 2.6.32 you don't
Apr 13 18:41:25 <thiago_home> I realised during the day that "thiago_home" was still online
Apr 13 18:41:30 <thiago_home> so the laptop hadn't suspended
Apr 13 18:42:55 <thiago_home> but then I got home and I found it wide open, so apparently I rushed out of the door and forgot to suspend it
Apr 13 18:43:08 <w00t_> haha
Apr 13 18:43:34 <alterego> I never sleep
Apr 13 18:43:40 <alterego> I don't have time to sleep
Apr 13 18:44:06 <alterego> I tried it once, but then I had to wake up again, so I thought what was the point?
Apr 13 18:44:46 <berndhs> some people dream about not being able to sleep
Apr 13 18:45:05 <w00t_> it's not all it's cracked up to be
Apr 13 18:45:10 <w00t_> (I haven't been sleeping much the past months(
Apr 13 18:45:11 <w00t_> )
Apr 13 18:45:22 <Stskeeps> i've dreamt about OBS and that was the reason i planned a long vacation after 1.2 release
Apr 13 18:45:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 13 18:45:31 <alterego> Heh
Apr 13 18:45:42 <alterego> Yeah, been there Stskeeps ;)
Apr 13 18:45:54 <w00t_> I think my oddest technical dream was about somehow putting myself in a git repository, and accidentally resetting myself into nonexistence..
Apr 13 18:46:10 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: You know you've been working too hard when....
Apr 13 18:46:13 <gabrbedd> :-)
Apr 13 18:46:21 <alterego> I've had a few dreams where I've done problem solving and woken up with working solutions that had been pluaging me.
Apr 13 18:47:10 <w00t_> my weirdest dream _in general_ was being chased around some kind of a muddy dam in a WWII kind of situation while being shot at
Apr 13 18:47:20 <Stskeeps> w00t_: ah, so just like your daily work
Apr 13 18:47:21 <w00t_> nooo idea what i'd been eating that night :)
Apr 13 18:47:35 * w00t_ heads off to make dinner, speaking of
Apr 13 18:48:25 <DawnFoster> *w00t_ needs a holiday* :)
Apr 13 18:49:50 <Myrtti> I'm having way too disturbing dreams lately to remember them
Apr 13 18:49:59 <Myrtti> and yes, I do need a holiday.
Apr 13 18:50:40 <Myrtti> in the sense the word where holiday means a break from the current status quo
Apr 13 18:58:54 <GAN900> Myrtti, dream journal. Then you can retire on your bestselling book "Myrtti's Insanity Dump".
Apr 13 18:59:20 <alterego> Heh
Apr 13 18:59:45 * GAN900 hasn't had time to sleep in in a while, so not much dreaming.
Apr 13 19:04:19 <alterego> DawnFoster: do talks and sponsorship effect each other in some way?
Apr 13 19:04:40 <alterego> I can't talk if I can't get sponsorship for example :)
Apr 13 19:05:56 <CosmoHill> just don't volenteer for anything until last minute
Apr 13 19:06:23 <alterego> Heh
Apr 13 19:06:37 <alterego> I don't really even want to talk :D
Apr 13 19:06:37 <DawnFoster> alterego: people with accepted speaking sessions usually get approved for travel sponsorship
Apr 13 19:06:47 <alterego> DawnFoster: okay :)
Apr 13 19:07:10 <alterego> I guess you're really busy at the moment then :D
Apr 13 19:08:00 <DawnFoster> yep :)
Apr 13 19:22:54 <dgc03052> Hi, Is there any way to avoid a socket timeout on a very slow http connection with QNetworkAccessManager?  We are accessing a server that is pretty slow, and it seems like the connection times out after 30 seconds or so...
Apr 13 19:23:23 <dgc03052> Sorry, wrong window...
Apr 13 22:31:36 * thiago will now go to bed and come back for the TSG meeting
Apr 13 22:53:38 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 13 22:53:59 <berndhs> night Cosmo
Apr 14 00:47:08 <TSCHAKeee> I really am laughing profusely at all the mobile web sites
Apr 14 00:47:24 <TSCHAKeee> who are SUDDENLY surprised that Nokia says it is releasing a Maemo 6 device this year
Apr 14 00:47:28 <TSCHAKeee> ...
Apr 14 00:47:57 <TSCHAKeee> apparently nobody remembers that right after the MeeGo announcement that Nokia said specifically that the next device would be Maemo 6 running Harmattan, which would be MeeGo compatible...but hey...
Apr 14 00:48:11 <TSCHAKeee> the journos have drank coke since then.
Apr 14 00:48:50 <TSCHAKeee> all the mobile blog writers are like a whole fucking room of OOshinies....
Apr 14 00:49:03 <berndhs> its hard for journalists to understand more than 1 thing at a time
Apr 14 00:49:10 <TSCHAKeee> with the memory and attention span of a fucking goldfish
Apr 14 00:50:04 <TSCHAKeee> and these guys truly do not understand how engineering works at the companies they're reporting on
Apr 14 00:50:26 <GeneralAntilles> TSCHAKeee: what triggered it?
Apr 14 00:50:35 * GeneralAntilles hasn't been watching the news today.
Apr 14 00:50:40 <TSCHAKeee> the simple fact that what these bloggers are seeing _NOW_.... the ENGINEERING DIVISIONS of these companies have COMMITTED TO... _YEARS_ IN ADVANCE.
Apr 14 00:51:08 <TSCHAKeee> generalantilles: Nokia made another reminder announcement of it a couple days ago...and the bloggers have been chomping at it.
Apr 14 00:51:25 <TSCHAKeee> I swear, these guys are idiots.
Apr 14 00:53:03 <TSCHAKeee> if Engadget says something ,i'm just gonna cry.
Apr 14 00:55:13 <berndhs> journalists should be charged serious money for using cut-and-paste buttons
Apr 14 01:07:28 <GeneralAntilles> Engadget has really hit rock bottom lately.
Apr 14 01:07:51 <GeneralAntilles> Bunch of Green propaganda, and slobbery iOS reporting.
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