**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2011 Apr 14 05:00:00 Quick reminder about the TSG starting in an hour: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting Apr 14 05:01:21 good morning DawnFoster Apr 14 05:01:35 Stskeeps: or really late night :) Apr 14 05:03:56 I'm normally getting ready for bed now Apr 14 05:03:58 morning Apr 14 05:05:03 i'm ready for bed but i can't, have to go to work :P Apr 14 05:10:58 Stskeeps: did an allnighter? Apr 14 05:11:14 Ronksu: nah, just a sleepyhead Apr 14 05:11:59 sounds more normal then ;) Apr 14 05:14:38 morn david Apr 14 05:14:48 * lbt mumbles something about 6am, 7am, UTC and coffee Apr 14 05:15:03 morning! Apr 14 05:15:04 heya Carsten Apr 14 05:15:07 *yawn* Apr 14 05:15:10 hi Dawn Apr 14 05:15:32 hey lbt Apr 14 05:17:37 where are you staying Stskeeps? Apr 14 05:17:53 You should all consider yourselves lucky - someone woke me up at 4:30 this morning and I couldn't get back to sleep :( Apr 14 05:18:20 Cumulus Koskikatu ? Apr 14 05:18:22 lbt, scandic hotel tampere from this afternoon. up for dinner this evening? Apr 14 05:18:26 Termana: I just woke up Apr 14 05:18:32 yes, that'd be nice Apr 14 05:19:18 excellent, let's be in touch (i usually leave the office 4pm-ish) Apr 14 05:19:57 I land around 4:45pm so should be at hotel by Apr 14 05:20:05 5:30? Apr 14 05:20:22 if landing in tampere, maybe Apr 14 05:21:08 *nod* Apr 14 05:21:20 leave in 1:40 Apr 14 05:21:37 fairly long travel day with the tz and hop Apr 14 05:22:21 OK ... bbiab Apr 14 05:48:39 TSG meeting starting in 15 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting Apr 14 06:08:33 Good evening/morning Apr 14 06:08:46 morn maclaver :) Apr 14 06:09:16 o/ Apr 14 06:09:29 Who from the TSG is here? Apr 14 06:09:49 maclaver, mark skarpeness is standing in for imad Apr 14 06:10:47 OK, anybody else? Apr 14 06:11:21 who is the TSG now ? Apr 14 06:12:46 AFAIK it is just Imad, but there have been rumors - something I do not want to speculate (less FUD) Apr 14 06:18:24 * lbt glances at the MeeGo Summit.fi speaker talks... Apr 14 06:19:03 lbt, many ways to interpret. :P Apr 14 06:20:18 What is your take on the speaker talks? Apr 14 06:21:31 for .fi ? Apr 14 06:21:46 Yes Apr 14 06:22:16 "doing stuff for MeeGo" Apr 14 06:22:43 they look practical - focus on delivery. Apr 14 06:23:29 I'm interested in how the TSG WGs are going to collaborate Apr 14 06:23:42 they are not part of the TSG per se Apr 14 06:24:14 there is a wiki page for WG process and ivi wg has minutes you can grab Apr 14 06:24:36 I mean inter-WG and pan-WG Apr 14 06:24:40 http://wiki.meego.com/Working_Group_Process Apr 14 06:25:09 really I'm thinking in the context of the BoF I proposed Apr 14 06:25:30 lbt, well, in daily life the executing will go on with the usual churn, i guess Apr 14 06:25:54 mwichmann: quickly checked ARM portions, no objections Apr 14 06:26:39 does the compliance address the 'beta' issue Stskeeps? Apr 14 06:26:57 lbt, we have a seperate issue re that ongoing Apr 14 06:27:21 so that's more TM ? Apr 14 06:27:24 also keep in mind that this is just 1.1 compliance Apr 14 06:27:34 we'll need to do this again for 1.2 Apr 14 06:27:46 i think its best to get 1.1 out the door now, as its waaaay too late Apr 14 06:27:47 :P Apr 14 06:27:54 you think? :) Apr 14 06:28:05 yep Apr 14 06:28:24 *resisting urge for snarky comments* Apr 14 06:28:24 this should be 1.2 compliance stage Apr 14 06:28:38 * lbt growls and sips coffee Apr 14 06:53:00 cheers ... l8r Apr 14 07:00:14 night everyone - it's sleepy time here Apr 14 07:00:19 nite DawnFoster Apr 14 07:35:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2hBQ42T24c Apr 14 07:36:28 what is that? Apr 14 08:07:19 anyone alive? Apr 14 08:07:23 * timeless_w7ip is vaguely worried Apr 14 08:07:26 yes Apr 14 08:07:45 do you have time to look at a bug or two and try to figure out what someone did to it? Apr 14 08:07:52 or rather, could you please? :) Apr 14 08:08:23 I think that they should report swi-prolog upstream also Apr 14 08:08:41 I look they are not fixed latest version Apr 14 08:08:58 oh you're already aware of what i'm interested in Apr 14 08:09:04 yeah, my goal is to get them to do that Apr 14 08:09:16 but i have a suspicion that they don't quite understand that Apr 14 08:10:59 dawnfoster / andre__: at some point i'd like to know why bug 14224 had CC Accessible changed to 0 Apr 14 08:11:02 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14224 is not accessible Apr 14 08:11:06 true Apr 14 08:11:36 i'd cc someone to the bug, but it wouldn't let them see it :) Apr 14 08:11:58 timeless_w7ip, I'll check after breakfast Apr 14 08:11:59 timeless_w7ip: Is it flagged as security? Apr 14 08:12:02 yes Apr 14 08:12:05 ah Apr 14 08:12:06 well Apr 14 08:12:11 you won't look? :) Apr 14 08:12:11 timeless_w7ip: Well, that is why :) Apr 14 08:12:15 x-fade: no Apr 14 08:12:18 well, rather Apr 14 08:12:36 is there a policy that says "when a bug is defined as security, we don't want people on the cc list to see it" Apr 14 08:12:37 ? Apr 14 08:13:18 because bugzilla treats the act of restricting a bug to a group as distinct from the act of restricting a bug from its cc list Apr 14 08:13:31 i.e. you can have a security restricted bug where people on the cc list can see it Apr 14 08:13:47 or you can have a security restricted bug where just being on the cc list is insufficient to see it Apr 14 08:14:02 typically such a decision should be controlled by policy or need Apr 14 08:14:14 in my case, the bugs almost certainly don't have 'need', thus it's a question of policy Apr 14 08:14:28 timeless_w7ip: Apr 14 08:14:30 Maybe just wrong tick box :) Apr 14 08:16:23 x-fade: maybe.. Apr 14 08:16:31 anyway, my bugs are 99% about education Apr 14 08:16:43 the actual content behind them is incredibly boring :) Apr 14 08:16:59 timeless_w7ip: http://www.swi-prolog.org/bugzilla/ is swi-prolog bugilla. Do you want report bugs there or should I do that? We should also check that there is not bug yeat. Apr 14 08:17:20 kallam: i'm asking someone else to do it, so if you're volunteering, please be my guest :) Apr 14 08:17:25 also, please add it to the table in the wiki Apr 14 08:17:38 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/UpstreamBugTrackers Apr 14 08:18:15 timeless_w7ip: ok I can do that Apr 14 08:18:22 thanks :) Apr 14 08:33:21 timeless_w7ip, how is our favourite bug? Apr 14 08:34:00 venemo: is that the bug w/ the most ping pongs? Apr 14 08:34:13 * timeless_w7ip is planning to be a ping pong ball in the not too distant future Apr 14 08:35:00 timeless_w7ip, yepp. has anyone committed the fix? :P Apr 14 08:39:09 dunno, i lost track of the various bug #s Apr 14 08:39:29 right now i need to ensure that someone picks up my flight and hotel room Apr 14 08:39:37 and then i need to make sure i don't miss certain other events Apr 14 08:39:43 (like lunch) Apr 14 08:41:14 Heh Apr 14 09:28:53 meh Apr 14 09:41:34 !SEENNICK textrat Apr 14 09:42:34 ~seen texrat Apr 14 09:42:39 texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 17d 5h 5m 53s ago, saying: 'I plug in, leave it alone'. Apr 14 09:42:51 cheers, i figured someone would correct me ;-) Apr 14 09:43:03 hehe Apr 14 09:43:25 It's tex from Texas, I guess :) Apr 14 09:44:12 not exactly flattering, rat from texas? Apr 14 09:46:06 I was asked in early years of the past decade if I'm the moaning toilet ghost from Harry Potter... Apr 14 09:46:21 "no" Apr 14 09:57:55 ls Apr 14 10:37:06 * slaine has a little stretch Apr 14 11:06:52 is there a meego sdk for ubuntu 11.04 anywhere? Apr 14 11:07:15 hello Apr 14 11:07:37 i'm trying to use Xephyr to test a custom UX for Linux/MeeGo Apr 14 11:08:34 but i have a question : how can i skin the xephyr window ? (having a png around the frame instead of the classic title bar and borders. cause i saw that in some emulatosr (like qemu) and i would like doing the same in xephyr... Apr 14 11:08:38 thanks in advance Apr 14 11:51:54 thebootroo: xephyr is just an application, window decorations should really be done by your window manager Apr 14 12:07:05 i've done a small app in qt that handles the skin and reparent xephyr in it using the build in -parent argument Apr 14 12:07:11 it works very wekk Apr 14 12:07:15 *well Apr 14 12:37:51 has anyone got GPG problems when using repos on build.meego.com? repos on the public OBS work fine Apr 14 12:38:13 my issue looks alot like http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/9474 Apr 14 12:38:18 my date is correct however Apr 14 15:33:56 Using the MeeGo SDK, can I compile apps for the tablet version? Apr 14 15:34:23 Does it include the necessary toolchain for crosscompiling? Apr 14 15:37:01 momesana: If you follow the MeeGo compliance guidelines... using the MeeGo API... then your binary will work on any MeeGo. Apr 14 15:37:27 momesana: (However it still has to be compiled for the target arch... x86, arm, etc) Apr 14 15:37:59 momesana: You only need to worry about Tablet if you want some kind of tight integration into the Tablet's UX. Apr 14 15:39:21 hm Apr 14 15:39:28 well, define tight integration Apr 14 15:39:36 I want to replace the xterm with a custom qt based terminal Apr 14 15:40:31 momesana: Just use the MeeGo API and it'll work everywhere. Apr 14 15:40:55 ok, I guess the MeeGo API is more or less the Qt API Apr 14 15:40:57 right? Apr 14 15:41:40 momesana: "Tight Integration" == "Utilizing features only found in the Tablet UX" E.g. they have "Panels" and if you wanted to supply your own custom Panel that, say, tracks stock quotes... then you'd want tight integration. Apr 14 15:41:45 Yes, it is. Apr 14 15:42:06 gabrbedd: is UX based on Qt as well? Or did you guys choose something like clutter? Apr 14 15:44:29 ok, seems like its based on Qt :-) Apr 14 15:47:41 momesana: I'm not one of "those guys" -- but it's based on QtQuick Apr 14 15:48:48 nice Apr 14 15:50:47 I am using gentoo and the sdk isn't supported on it per se. Can someone point me to where the sources to the sdk are hosted? Apr 14 18:04:56 * gabrbedd coughs Apr 14 18:05:33 * jedix steps back Apr 14 18:07:40 oooo Apr 14 18:07:45 I seem to have finished two assignments Apr 14 18:07:48 and it's not even night time yet Apr 14 18:09:46 awesome! time to fix a meego bug! Apr 14 18:14:30 so.... who got their talks accepted? :) Apr 14 18:14:52 <- Apr 14 18:14:59 <- Apr 14 18:15:10 * auke cheers Apr 14 18:15:37 awesome, wish i could come, alas.. I've been on a plane so many times in the last 3 months, I've drained my bank account. :P Apr 14 18:16:34 <- Apr 14 18:18:16 At least... I think mine did. It's listed in the "Accepted" section... :-) Apr 14 18:18:35 usually a good sign Apr 14 18:19:01 there were like 72 accepted sessions Apr 14 18:19:07 that's a ton Apr 14 18:21:15 TSCHAKeee, doesn't usually being often on the plain cause a expansion of the bank account? :P Apr 14 18:21:21 err.. plane Apr 14 18:21:38 since it'd typically mean business Apr 14 18:22:42 maligor: i am a contractor. my travel expenses come out of my OWN pocket. Apr 14 18:23:45 * CosmoHill prints his final source code Apr 14 18:24:03 Stskeeps: well, it could be a bug. :-p Apr 14 18:24:19 * CosmoHill cheers too cos he's finished 2 of his 3 assignments Apr 14 18:24:39 \o/ Apr 14 18:24:46 last time I had like 8 hours sleep...over 2 days Apr 14 18:26:08 CosmoHill, and it still compiles? Apr 14 18:26:52 it compiles as well as any paper based program Apr 14 18:27:25 ooo, I can do something I haven't done in ages Apr 14 18:27:40 sounds like a wonderfully pointless assignment Apr 14 18:27:45 * CosmoHill opens up BBC iPlayer Apr 14 18:28:06 maligor: the assingment was to implement as many image processing functions as we can and present them in a nice GUI Apr 14 18:28:42 so far the GUI is 10 pages and still printing Apr 14 18:29:51 I hope you wrote it in x86 realmode 320x240 Apr 14 18:30:58 the 3 biggest issues I have with this module are: 1. none of our year have ever used matlab before, 2. the lecturer is based in the other campus so apart from lessons we only have email and 3, lots of maths / theory about image proicessing instead of programming Apr 14 18:31:17 You print source code? Apr 14 18:31:27 What do they do with OCR? :D Apr 14 18:31:45 we give them a CD too Apr 14 18:31:55 one lecturer has a built in compiler :o Apr 14 18:33:21 my GUI is 712 lines, all it does is run other functions and displays the output to the screen Apr 14 18:35:14 brb, going to kill my router Apr 14 19:09:16 does current developer version of meego run smoothly on n900 or it lags abit? Apr 14 19:15:29 hey guys im using image creation but im having problems with forcing an specific old package version... i set Epoch but its still not working... error example: http://pastebin.ca/2046506 Apr 14 19:20:15 luist: What did you put in your .ks file? Are you using the --pkgmgr=yum option? Apr 14 19:23:18 gabrbedd: i dont set this... prob default Apr 14 19:24:42 the new HTC desire outperforms my server :( Apr 14 19:26:02 luist: Use --pkgmgr=yum Apr 14 19:26:14 the default is to use zypper, and it doesn't work well with mic2 Apr 14 19:26:25 you know yum isn't in Meego 1.1 or later right? Apr 14 19:28:18 its friday someplace, right ? Apr 14 19:29:12 no Apr 14 19:29:19 CosmoHill: Last I checked, it was well-known that mic2+zypper is broken... so I can't explain. Apr 14 19:29:21 :-) Apr 14 19:29:26 the world ends at midnight local time, didn't you get the memo? Apr 14 19:29:56 so i cant use zypper and theres no more yum Apr 14 19:30:00 any other solution Apr 14 19:30:04 yeah but they're always late with those things Apr 14 19:31:15 luist: Try yum. If it doesn't work... then we' Apr 14 19:31:23 we'll figure something out. Apr 14 19:31:33 or press enter mid-sentance Apr 14 19:31:59 However, it works for me (with 1.1.x) and I litterally can not build images any more with zypper. Apr 14 19:32:29 can't people use rpm directly? Apr 14 19:33:03 zypper backend has issues, we do have yum still to some extent Apr 14 19:33:41 Once you have MeeGo installed... it's zypper all the way (and I really do like zypper, FWIW) Apr 14 19:37:21 gabrbedd: mic-image-creator: error: no such option: --pkgmgr Apr 14 19:40:32 luist: Either your mic2 is out-of-date... or it's --pkg-mgr. Apr 14 19:40:47 luist: It's a nicely un-documented feature Apr 14 19:42:16 gabrbedd: 0.22.11 Apr 14 19:43:10 luist: I can't check ATM. Sorry. Apr 14 19:48:20 gabrbedd: well its the suse 11.2 version i think Apr 14 20:20:53 where can i get the latest mic2 version? Apr 14 20:20:57 or at least 0.24.5 Apr 14 20:28:52 luist: http://repo.meego.com/tools/ Apr 14 20:29:18 gabrbedd: ya i found it... it wants to remove yast2 to install python-zypper Apr 14 20:29:30 python-zypp Apr 14 23:45:25 mm... Apr 14 23:45:31 are the meego mailing lists down or what? Apr 14 23:45:33 :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 15 02:59:57 2011