**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 20 02:59:58 2011 Apr 20 04:21:45 mood goraning Apr 20 04:22:05 morning Apr 20 06:04:58 hi, is it possible to create a usb key with syslinux and use kickstart to do an install of meego like you would fedora/redhat? Apr 20 06:05:43 i know there is the image creator, but it doesn't seem to want to make useful images and i'm not worried about the graphical install so i just want to run my kickstart script on boot Apr 20 07:06:27 Is there any IRC for asking MTF related question Apr 20 09:49:59 can some one tell; meego platform specific keyword that Qt recognizes Apr 20 09:50:19 for example win32: for windows Apr 20 09:50:34 symbian: for symbian Apr 20 10:19:59 lbt: For the Apps Per UX targets should we do snapshots from core obs instead of binary imports of the published repo? Apr 20 10:20:31 For 1.2? Apr 20 10:20:38 Yeah. Apr 20 10:20:48 will there be per-UX targets? Apr 20 10:21:03 As the 1.2 repo is everything there is. But the per UX setup defined in core obs. Apr 20 10:21:58 lbt: Well at least there is Trunk:Handset, Trunk:IVI etc. Apr 20 10:21:59 need to ask what are we trying to achieve Apr 20 10:22:14 2 things I think Apr 20 10:22:18 So I guess for 1.2 there will be per UX package groups at least. Apr 20 10:22:30 X-Fade: those are stale and unmaintained. not entirely sure why they are there still Apr 20 10:22:39 1 make somewhere to get apps suitable for your target Apr 20 10:22:48 2 support some kind of 'compliance' Apr 20 10:23:04 I personally think apps builds against *everything* in 1.2 Apr 20 10:23:15 then the web/client should focus in Apr 20 10:23:25 and something else can do compliance warnings Apr 20 10:23:44 Stskeeps: How is a vendor supposed to grep everything for his UX? Using the correct mic or something like that? Apr 20 10:23:47 eg a pre-/post- BOSS tool that gets bdeps and analyses them Apr 20 10:24:21 X-Fade: package groups Apr 20 10:24:34 yeah, but that's not relevant to apps Apr 20 10:24:40 that's an image thing Apr 20 10:24:57 lbt: Well that at least specifies which dependencies will be available. Apr 20 10:25:02 compliance tools exist that check deps.. Apr 20 10:25:07 yep Apr 20 10:25:11 and Stskeeps... Apr 20 10:25:28 a compliant app - will all deps be 'on device' ? Apr 20 10:25:49 there is a compliance package group Apr 20 10:26:00 so i suppose Apr 20 10:26:05 But that doesn't include UX :) Apr 20 10:26:16 no, you can't depend on having a UX I guess Apr 20 10:26:19 *g* Apr 20 10:26:46 lets focus on what to build Apps: against Apr 20 10:26:50 Why doesn't anybody see a problem in a setup like this :) Apr 20 10:27:29 Stskeeps: should we build against core:* or core: Apr 20 10:27:36 s/libs/pkgs/ Apr 20 10:27:52 lbt, postchecks are prolly only way Apr 20 10:28:15 OK - kinda happy with that Apr 20 10:28:54 I still would hate it that it builds fine, but doesn't install. Apr 20 10:28:58 So X-Fade, I think the answer is 'import published repo' Apr 20 10:29:05 So we really need ot make sure that doesn't happen. Apr 20 10:29:12 X-Fade: then make build fail when it isnt ;p Apr 20 10:29:14 X-Fade: yep ... so this is the post-build check Apr 20 10:29:37 And give up on the nice dependency checking in OBS :( Apr 20 10:29:42 and we can check the home:user binary before even acceptting to :Testing Apr 20 10:29:52 no, this is additional checks Apr 20 10:30:15 lbt: Well OBS dependency checks will always succeed as we have the kitchensink in there ;) Apr 20 10:30:15 just because OBS builds it doesn't mean it meets criteria for a specific use case Apr 20 10:30:19 yep Apr 20 10:32:56 lbt: But how would we specify build targets per UX then? Just create projects that all inherit the core repo? Apr 20 10:38:18 * thiago sees in the schedule "live action angry birds" Apr 20 10:38:25 :-) Apr 20 10:40:45 thiago: we should have evening angry birds games instead of werewolf Apr 20 10:46:30 hey guys Apr 20 10:46:38 the MeeGo SDK repos are in need of a serious update Apr 20 10:46:40 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ Apr 20 10:47:27 plus, they have an archaic version of Qt in them - even my distribution packages a newer Qt than that Apr 20 10:48:10 could someone do something about thsi? Apr 20 10:51:10 w00t_: werewolf is after angry birds Apr 20 10:51:16 w00t_: btw, have you seen the "angry nerds" ? Apr 20 10:51:45 nope Apr 20 10:52:19 http://www.atlassian.com/en/angrynerds Apr 20 10:53:46 I should point out that this came out 19 days ago Apr 20 10:54:06 ... haha Apr 20 10:54:14 Just got my session denial message Apr 20 10:54:23 s/message/email Apr 20 10:54:39 Forks into 3 smaller, crappier devs. Apr 20 10:54:45 someone put way too much thought into this Apr 20 10:54:50 at least they're being sent out Apr 20 10:55:30 I hope that I still get sponsorship to attend though Apr 20 10:55:42 we'll see - different department Apr 20 10:56:10 I'd really like to volunteer for the warm up sessions helping people with UX and Qt development Apr 20 10:56:55 tbh, I don't really like talking anyway, I'm happy to join sabotage in his dialer talk though, hopefully show casing new qml UX Apr 20 10:57:04 :nod: Apr 20 10:57:13 hope for the best Apr 20 10:57:21 Maybe I could get him to put my name down in his talk Apr 20 10:57:29 Though probably too late now Apr 20 10:57:35 yeah, afaik Apr 20 10:57:39 alterego, doesn't that mean you'll have to use Qt Designer? :P Apr 20 10:57:47 MohammadAG: :P Apr 20 10:57:51 Does it? Apr 20 10:57:59 I'll convert everyone to gedit :D Apr 20 10:58:25 Qt Designer for QML pfft, just use gedit with these handy macros :D Apr 20 10:59:05 * alterego just noticed he left his mouse in the other room, so I've been hacking all morning with just the keyboard :D Apr 20 11:01:01 alterego, oh, QML? Apr 20 11:02:14 w00t_: the best april fools jokes have thought behind it Apr 20 11:08:56 so, does anyone know why the MeeGo SDK repos are unmaintained? Apr 20 11:11:52 meego-sdk-qt-creator is 2.0.1 (archaic) Apr 20 11:13:14 does meego 1.1 support selinux ? Apr 20 11:14:04 o/ all Apr 20 11:14:09 hi Apr 20 11:15:29 I have a small question bout US visa application. Who's my US contact. Brian Warner? Apr 20 11:16:16 I'm not an expert in all this paperwork so sorry in advance :) Apr 20 11:16:27 possibly, there should be someone you can prod when speaker acceptance mail comes Apr 20 11:17:13 Stskeeps: I can't wait any longer unfortunately Apr 20 11:17:40 Stskeeps: cause I'll have to wait for an interview for like 15 days Apr 20 11:17:46 Hi all, anybody knows if there's SimToolkit in meego for n900? Apr 20 11:18:30 Stskeeps: Vlad and Tanya are already screwed up really hard btw :( Apr 20 11:18:51 wazd, visas are always a mess Apr 20 11:19:01 mhm i wonder is there a ready beagle board image for ivi? Apr 20 11:19:08 if its impossible to get, remember to let program committee know Apr 20 11:19:19 or panda board Apr 20 11:19:22 Stskeeps, who should I ping to update the meego-sdk repo? Apr 20 11:20:02 Stskeeps: well, I guess not quite visas but timings Apr 20 11:20:03 Venemo: filed a bug Apr 20 11:20:26 Stskeeps, could you give me the bug id? Apr 20 11:21:39 Venemo: i mean, file a bug Apr 20 11:23:10 Stskeeps, ah, okay Apr 20 11:26:32 Stskeeps, what should be the component of the bug? none of them really fits Apr 20 11:26:38 Venemo: meego sdk generic Apr 20 11:26:50 Stskeeps, there is no generic Apr 20 11:27:13 okay, maybe "Other" Apr 20 11:36:12 Stskeeps, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16464 -> this good enough? Apr 20 11:36:14 Bug 16464 maj, Undecided, ---, kerry.jiang, NEW, MeeGo SDK repository is out of date Apr 20 11:36:23 ok Apr 20 11:36:40 I point out some other problems too. Apr 20 11:42:48 Do you seek to engage in terrorist activities while in the United States or have you ever engaged in terrorist activities? Error Apr 20 11:43:00 Sure, why not *facepalms* Apr 20 11:44:05 hi Apr 20 11:44:39 i have installed meego N900 DE Apr 20 11:45:33 i have configured meego-sdk-qtcreator with meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2 Apr 20 11:46:14 but when i build (ok) and run my simple application i have this error Apr 20 11:46:26 package untitled14-0.0.1-1.armv7l is intended for a armv7l architecture Apr 20 11:46:26 -bash: /usr/local/bin/untitled14: No such file or directory Apr 20 11:46:39 Stskeeps, okay, the bug is closed as invalid, stating that the 1.2 SDK is better. however, I can't seem to find a repo for the 1.2 SDK. Apr 20 11:47:14 someone do know what's happen? Apr 20 11:47:30 where i wrong? Apr 20 11:48:08 niqt: what image are you installing onto? Apr 20 11:48:37 18 april Apr 20 11:48:42 no, name Apr 20 11:48:44 like, filename Apr 20 11:49:58 mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance-1.1.99.2.20110412.6.DE.2011-04-18.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 Apr 20 11:50:05 ok, so, you see the armv7nhl part? Apr 20 11:50:39 i don't understand Apr 20 11:51:00 armv7l is for softfp :) Apr 20 11:51:21 you need a sysroot for armv7hl Apr 20 11:51:22 which image i need? Apr 20 11:52:44 not sure 100 Apr 20 11:52:45 % Apr 20 11:55:42 where can i get right sysroot? Apr 20 11:55:55 should be on repo.meego.com Apr 20 11:56:02 but i'm not sure if compilers are ready yet Apr 20 11:57:49 thus i can't compile for meego DE... Apr 20 11:57:59 is right? Apr 20 11:58:00 right Apr 20 11:58:06 thanks Apr 20 11:58:07 we're working on this part Apr 20 11:58:56 I'm lucky :) Apr 20 11:59:31 anyway thanks for your work Apr 20 12:12:05 does someone have an idea when the libcreds extension will be available for dbus Apr 20 12:30:19 can discuss MTF/service framework related stuff here Apr 20 12:30:58 or there are dedicated IRC available for this Apr 20 12:47:06 ping Apr 20 12:47:21 pong Apr 20 12:49:36 could someone poke the last person to touch bug 14663 Apr 20 12:49:39 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14663 nor, Low, ---, nobody, NEW, cairo trace _init_logfile uses buf past its scope Apr 20 12:49:48 moving bugs to nobody is the wrong behavior Apr 20 12:56:45 timeless_w7ip: this means that this last person has no clue who the real owner of this bug should be. QA will run queries against "owner = nobody" and assign to someone as part of regular bug triaging - at least that's what I heard. Apr 20 12:57:05 what pohly said Apr 20 12:57:15 better than being stuck at someone who'll do nothing about it Apr 20 13:05:27 Stskeeps: indeed. also note that "needtriage" keyword is there to facilitate Apr 20 13:18:51 Does someone know is the webkit and/or webkit2 package available in some public place where I could take them and install to my meego device? Apr 20 13:19:29 webkit package should be on repo.meego.com Apr 20 13:19:31 webkit2.. not sure Apr 20 13:24:30 any hints how to find that wekit package there.. I've never browsed the meego packages :) Apr 20 13:24:54 build.meego.com is always a good tool too Apr 20 13:31:07 what is the difference between build.meego.com and build.pub.meego.com? I want to create my "helloworld" browser using existing webkit engine. How can I find the webkit package from build service? Apr 20 13:31:16 build.meego.com is the "Core" OBS Apr 20 13:31:26 build.pub.meego.com is for the rest, app devel, experiments, etc Apr 20 13:32:15 ok Apr 20 13:33:46 and is there a way how to find is the QtWebkit API in meego? Apr 20 13:34:07 find out.. Apr 20 13:35:19 Reissumies: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/ Apr 20 13:36:53 hello,i want to know if usb-camera can be used on Meego-netbook? if can be used,how to do it? here i have a usb-camera which of chip is zc3xx,and it can be used in linux2.6.35. Apr 20 13:37:22 newjor: if the kernel supports it you can probably compile the right driver Apr 20 13:38:35 linux2.6.35 have already supported this driver,but i don't know the kernel of meego whether support it? Apr 20 13:38:42 check the config / kernel settings Apr 20 13:40:21 Stskeeps: can you tell me the whole process to check it?thanks alot Apr 20 13:41:09 newjor: sure! where do i send the invoice? :) Apr 20 13:41:52 newjor: hint, /boot/config* and that's what you need to know - i can only send you in the right direction, you have to make your homework yourself Apr 20 13:42:11 ok,sure Apr 20 13:44:16 well,i can't find /boot/config... on meego-netbook Apr 20 13:45:28 newjor: OK, so what do you find in the /boot folder. Apr 20 13:45:33 ? Apr 20 13:46:52 hi Apr 20 13:47:57 oh,sorry,i have found it ,on /boot have one file 'config-2.6.35-netbook', do i modify it ? Apr 20 13:48:15 you look inside and see if it has the driver Apr 20 13:48:22 else you need to build a new kernel which is more complex Apr 20 13:53:49 i have found this drive,but it didn't be built into kernel,'config_usb_gspca=m',so if i should reconfig and rebuild the kernel? Apr 20 13:54:29 is there a way to start the installer in debug mode so i can get a shell to see whats going on at a certain point? Apr 20 13:59:24 Stskeeps: how can i do it? Apr 20 14:00:24 newjor: if it's =m you should really get camera autodetected Apr 20 14:04:19 but i can't find /dev/video* when usb_camera inserted Apr 20 14:08:45 newjor: What does `dmesg` say after you plug in the camera? Apr 20 14:09:38 newjor: And is the driver in staging? Most of the staging drivers do /not/ get built in the MeeGo kernel. Apr 20 14:10:46 execute print Apr 20 14:11:10 execute 'dmesg' and print pc camera and the manufacturer Apr 20 14:12:30 but i execute 'lsmod' ,i can't find gspca while on fedora i can find this module Apr 20 14:17:22 gabrbedd: as i know, this driver is already built into linux 2.6.3x,so i think it is impossible in staging Apr 20 14:20:34 newjor: Is the module called "gspca" ? Apr 20 14:20:46 yes Apr 20 14:22:14 isnt the meego n900 version "1.1.99.3 " supposed to released today? Apr 20 14:22:23 and was that proper english? :) Apr 20 14:22:53 kahless: meego-releases@ Apr 20 14:22:57 mailing list Apr 20 14:23:27 newjor: So what does `find /lib/modules -name "*gspca*" ` give you? Apr 20 14:23:33 Stskeeps: ok, thx, ill check that out Apr 20 14:24:11 newjor: and likewise... do you know the CONFIG_* name for the driver? Apr 20 14:24:41 newjor: You'll need that to inspect your config file to see if the driver was compiled into the kernel (instead of a module). Apr 20 14:25:10 newjor: Just because it's in the kernel source tree doesn't mean that MeeGo enabled it. Apr 20 14:32:28 gabrbedd: i can find the modules 'gspca' in /lib/module, and inside the /boot/config* i find 'config_usb_gspca=m' Apr 20 14:37:23 gabrbedd:i have inserted all *.ko inside the gspca Apr 20 14:37:58 but i still can't find the /dev/video Apr 20 14:39:08 newjor: And `lsmod` ? Apr 20 14:39:21 Oh, I see that above... Apr 20 14:39:46 can find all the module which i insert Apr 20 14:40:21 newjor: It sounds like your device is newer than the driver... and sometimes it means that the driver won't get associated with the device. Apr 20 14:40:41 newjor: Beyond that... i dunno. Apr 20 14:41:45 i'm afraid not,since i can use this device in my fedora Apr 20 14:43:39 oh ,i know what issue is, i execute 'lsmod' on fedora and list the ' Apr 20 14:44:09 'gspca_zc3xx' while i can't find this module on meego Apr 20 14:46:40 newjor: On fedora, what is the complete path to the module's .ko file? Apr 20 14:49:01 now i don't know how i can add this zc3xx.ko on meego Apr 20 14:49:03 now i don't know how i can add this zc3xx.ko on meego Apr 20 14:50:07 lib/modules/2.6.35-6-45.fc14.i686/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca Apr 20 14:52:28 newjor: You need a kernel built with CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX Apr 20 14:53:05 newjor: If you don't even see it in the config file... then it probably means that the driver was backported to 2.6.35 by Fedora (i.e. the driver isn't really in 2.6.35). Apr 20 14:53:40 newjor: ...but it looks like it was added in 2.6.28. Apr 20 14:53:51 http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX.html Apr 20 14:57:28 gabrbedd: inside the /boot/config* , 'config_usb_gspca_z3cxx is not set' Apr 20 14:59:30 newjor: There's your answer. To support the camera you need to build your own kernel and/or request the driver at bugs.meego.com. Since it's a simple CONFIG_ change... it'll probably happen. Apr 20 14:59:56 newjor: If your on x86... might also check out the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail to see if it has the driver enabled. Apr 20 15:00:11 newjor: If that kernel isn't in zypper -- try build.meego.com Apr 20 15:05:37 gabrbedd: request the driver at bugs.meego.com mean i request to get the .ko file? or ,how i build my own meego-kernel Apr 20 15:06:33 newjor: On bugs.meego.com file a feature request to support the driver for MeeGo 1.1 and MeeGo 1.2. Apr 20 15:07:27 newjor: Building your own kernel... have you ever done that before? It's not rocket science... but if you've never done it before it's quite a detour. Apr 20 15:08:18 newjor: http://wiki.meego.com/Tips_on_compiling_and_packaging_kernels_in_MeeGo Apr 20 15:08:24 i had built linux-kernel before Apr 20 15:11:15 if i request to support the driver for meego, how much of possibity of suceess Apr 20 15:12:30 newjor: Since it's as simple as adding `CONFIG_FOO=m` to the build... I'd say pretty good. Apr 20 15:13:30 gabrbedd: ok, i know it ,thank you very much Apr 20 15:37:19 hi Apr 20 15:37:25 when is meego 1.2 scheluded ? :) Apr 20 15:38:49 vlj: Check the archives of meego-dev or meego-release -- I saw an announcement within the past week. Apr 20 15:39:21 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 Apr 20 15:39:46 thanks Apr 20 15:39:57 is Meego libc "customised" ? Apr 20 15:40:16 to enable support for sse3 ssse3 feature of atoms ? Apr 20 15:40:51 vlj: customized -- dunno. Apr 20 15:41:06 vlj: compiled with SSE3 and SSSE3 enabled... yes. Apr 20 15:41:28 gabrbedd: but patched to have hand written sse3 code ? Apr 20 15:42:00 vlj: check the soruces. If it's patched... you'll see them listed. Apr 20 15:42:08 s/soruces/sources/ Apr 20 15:42:08 gabrbedd meant: vlj: check the sources. If it's patched... you'll see them listed. Apr 20 15:51:42 it seems so Apr 20 15:52:05 the memcpy sse3 version seems to be included in glibc Apr 20 15:53:20 vlj: you mean the one that breaks flash ? :-p Apr 20 15:53:26 ? Apr 20 15:53:32 it broke flash ?? Apr 20 15:55:37 vlj: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/linus-torvalds-linux-and-the-issue-of-software-quality/ Apr 20 15:55:58 Click the link to the bug where an atom-optimized memcpy() broke flash. Apr 20 15:58:11 preemptive error checking ? Apr 20 16:04:54 I don't understand how memory can be corrupted using sse3 instruction :/ Apr 20 16:10:14 vlj: people are very creative in misusing stuff. Apr 20 16:10:23 vlj: flash violated the rules of memcpy(), and when they changed the memcpy() implementation it broke flash. Apr 20 16:11:07 vlj: The optimization for atom was that they copied the buffers in reverse instead of forward (which sounds kinda iffie to me) Apr 20 16:11:50 what i don't unserstand is why adobe still haven't provided an update with trivial s/memcpy/memmove/ fix Apr 20 16:12:58 ok Apr 20 16:13:11 overlapping aeras for memcpy Apr 20 16:13:47 is it impossible to force flash to use some version of memcpy and the system, another one ? Apr 20 16:16:08 it is possible to use older libc or uninstall flash Apr 20 16:17:02 ok Apr 20 16:32:36 hey guys is there an rsync server for me ego 1.1? Apr 20 16:50:03 luist: ego? Apr 20 16:55:45 heya jbos, does explicitly setting this MInputContext work for your problems? Apr 20 17:36:13 gabrbedd: uh? ego? Apr 20 17:36:41 I think he meant MeeGo but made a typo Apr 20 17:37:09 ooh actually i made the typo :P Apr 20 17:37:27 I'm looking for a rsync mirror of meego 1.1 Apr 20 17:37:47 oooh my irc client is autocorrecting me… it changed meego to me ego :P Apr 20 17:41:16 i used to use this until 1.0: http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/ Apr 20 17:41:25 luist: I'd suspect the kernel.org mirrors to support this Apr 20 17:42:00 rsync.kernel.org Apr 20 17:42:06 dm8tbr: they are up to 1.0.1 Apr 20 17:43:39 I doubt that Apr 20 17:44:38 hm... Apr 20 17:45:36 luist: what are you after? Apr 20 17:45:52 if it's a MeeGo image I might have mirrored it Apr 20 17:45:59 CosmoHill: rsync server for meego 1.1 Apr 20 17:46:10 CosmoHill: releases n updates repositories Apr 20 17:46:16 ah Apr 20 17:47:58 ok i found it Apr 20 18:14:45 \o Apr 20 18:17:36 lcuk: He's back, unkilled by the heathen Apr 20 18:18:24 salut lcuk Apr 20 18:18:27 yes, and I am eating delicious cake too Apr 20 18:18:44 though I did ponder hibernating for longer to play Portal 2 Apr 20 18:19:22 lcuk, I had to go back to work. Apr 20 18:19:50 GAN900, that is normal. Apr 20 18:19:54 in the book store? Apr 20 18:24:25 the N900 Developer Edition Apr 20 18:24:42 looking on todays image download location: Apr 20 18:24:42 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.3.20110418.11.DE.2011-04-20.2/images/ Apr 20 18:24:52 I see there are sanity and acceptance images Apr 20 18:25:02 does anyone know the specific differences? Apr 20 18:25:08 luist: Looks like you found it, but I use rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ Apr 20 18:25:15 lcuk: I'm busy atm .... l8r though ... (re SMS) Apr 20 18:25:34 \o Apr 20 18:39:26 lcuk, yes. After Portal 2. Apr 20 18:39:40 lol Apr 20 18:41:35 * wmarone__ steals GAN900's Weighted Companion Cube Apr 20 18:43:48 wmarone__, gan IS a weighted companion cube. Apr 20 18:45:22 * lcuk downloads sanity build Apr 20 18:45:37 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.3.20110418.11.DE.2011-04-20.2/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-sanity/ Apr 20 18:53:01 auke: i could hug you for giving proper and informative announcements :) Apr 20 18:56:48 Stskeeps, your conf session looks interesting Apr 20 18:58:03 writing a good proposal is easy. executing it is more hard. Apr 20 18:58:32 * lcuk understands that dilemma Apr 20 18:58:55 i'm quite sure they postponed 1.2 release just so i can't prepare enough in time ;p Apr 20 18:59:24 heh Apr 20 18:59:33 well lots of things jumbled around Apr 20 19:38:28 slaine...you about there?Got a question about you and your android stuff Apr 20 20:00:24 just a quick fyi, the ovi suite, when it's full screen it's actually a bit bigger than full screen Apr 20 20:00:57 like on my main monitor it goes a bit behind the task bar and you can see part of it on the second monitor cos it's a tad too wide too Apr 20 20:11:46 CosmoHill, what os is that on? Apr 20 20:12:50 ~seen StephenElop Apr 20 20:12:51 thomasjfox: i haven't seen 'stephenelop' Apr 20 20:19:16 timeless_w7ip, the browser and icon on n900 DE is looking good :) Apr 20 20:20:34 your splash screen is a little disorienting at first, nicely done on actually finding a use for the startup time that is informative :) Apr 20 20:22:26 lcuk: Talking about FF Mobile? Apr 20 20:24:13 yeah Apr 20 20:24:19 I think anyway Apr 20 20:24:26 * lcuk must wait for this n900 to bootup Apr 20 20:24:30 and finish dding Apr 20 20:25:18 gabrbedd, what are you hacking on atm? Apr 20 20:31:15 lcuk: Which build? MeeGo/Tablet UX. But I add fennec to it because I like it better than chrome on a MT device. Apr 20 20:31:53 gabrbedd, nice, which device are you running that on? Apr 20 20:33:43 lcuk: cool Apr 20 20:33:45 pictures? Apr 20 20:34:47 * timeless_w7ip hasn't seen any of this deployed Apr 20 20:34:51 timeless_w7ip, no, how do I take screenshots nowadays from n900 DE? Apr 20 20:35:00 the theme looks good Apr 20 20:35:05 suits the device well. Apr 20 20:35:07 man Apr 20 20:35:13 people are stupid as hell Apr 20 20:35:27 hah Apr 20 20:35:28 ... but I state the obvious Apr 20 20:35:29 no clue. Apr 20 20:35:36 most people i know use a second phone ;-) Apr 20 20:35:50 * wmarone__ reads more people proclaiming the death of MeeGo because Intel is porting Honeycomb to x86 Apr 20 20:36:13 wmarone__: people truly are fucking idiots. Apr 20 20:36:49 but other than that Apr 20 20:37:00 need to port more patches from 2.6.32 to 2.6.38 tonight Apr 20 20:37:16 18 more, then attempt to build Apr 20 20:40:21 * lbt has "add patch weight monitoring" to his meego reporting tools Apr 20 20:42:03 lbt, I found a git stat tool that would also provide such details Apr 20 20:42:13 timeless_w7ip, what kind of stats can you get from mercurial? Apr 20 20:42:26 lcuk: if meego used a VCS that'd be nice Apr 20 20:42:29 as in commits per contributor etc Apr 20 20:42:42 lbt, with mxr, it almost kindof sorta does Apr 20 20:42:44 as it is we'll have to simply count patches in pkgs Apr 20 20:43:08 lcuk: nah, I was talking to timeless_w7ip about how to take that forward - it's not quite the same Apr 20 20:43:18 lbt, of course not Apr 20 20:43:33 but interesting all the same Apr 20 20:43:42 what's better is when you take the upstream git and then add a packaging branch Apr 20 20:43:55 see dpkg-buildpackage in debian Apr 20 20:44:03 yeah I have Apr 20 20:44:04 git-buildpackage I mean Apr 20 20:45:07 cool Apr 20 20:45:12 lcuk: iiView M1touch Apr 20 20:45:25 does that build only debian packages so far David? Apr 20 20:45:44 it would be fun to have similar for other packaging formats Apr 20 20:45:54 lcuk: it's an x86 tablet. Apr 20 20:46:02 cool gabrbedd, pics? Apr 20 20:46:13 lcuk: yep - it's on my list ... the key thing is the workflow Apr 20 20:46:26 it should actually be easy to meego-ise Apr 20 20:46:51 we can lead via DE Apr 20 20:47:09 lcuk: hmmmm... no, I don't have any. Apr 20 20:47:18 well DE is certainly looking rather good Apr 20 20:47:26 gabrbedd, no time like the present. Apr 20 20:47:34 lcuk: One of those habits I should probably get in to. :-) Apr 20 20:47:57 * lcuk has an N900 to hand :) Apr 20 20:48:42 so what did I actually miss whilst I was on holiday last week? Apr 20 20:52:15 Um, the ACM awards? Apr 20 20:52:22 ACM? Apr 20 20:53:33 why are there so many builds for today in http://download.meego.com/snapshots/ Apr 20 20:53:54 lcuk: Academy of Country Music :-p Apr 20 20:57:37 npm, someone pressing f5 too often :P Apr 20 21:02:07 npm: Looks to me like all of the daily and testing builds... including the ones that didn't make the cut. Apr 20 21:03:38 npm: note that only the weekly builds are published on repo.meego.com Apr 20 21:23:30 * lcuk scratches head Apr 20 21:24:42 * alterego scratches butt Apr 20 21:25:40 the latest daily sanity image boots to a console Apr 20 21:25:55 lcuk: That's insane! Apr 20 21:27:44 no that's just minimal sanity Apr 20 21:28:40 what is worst, the console does not understand bluekeys Apr 20 21:29:02 hold down the blue arrow Apr 20 21:29:11 I am. Apr 20 21:29:19 oh, hrm Apr 20 21:29:34 * lcuk files bug Apr 20 21:29:43 only in the terminal? Apr 20 21:29:53 or in other places as well? Apr 20 21:30:05 i saw it working in other apps... Apr 20 21:30:10 never tried it in the terminal though Apr 20 21:30:19 but this was the meego-ux image Apr 20 21:30:24