**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 21 02:59:58 2011 Apr 21 03:14:15 i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? Apr 21 03:29:33 i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? Apr 21 03:47:02 i want to use a usb_camera which of chip driver is zc3xx, on meego this driver didn't configed into kernel or module, now i want to config this driver to a module,how should i do? do i need to recompile a meego-kernel? Apr 21 04:11:57 morning Apr 21 04:12:38 yeah almost time for sleep Apr 21 04:18:29 berndhs, :) Apr 21 04:18:50 it's 7:15 am in finland and this is going to be very nice day :) Apr 21 04:19:03 good Apr 21 04:19:22 its 0:15 in canada, and another crappy day coming up Apr 21 04:19:23 (4 day vacation starting at 11 am :) ) Apr 21 04:19:29 awful weather Apr 21 04:20:17 it's 23:18 in texas and the fires are burning bright.... Apr 21 04:20:37 berndhs, oh? it was snowing here also yesterday Apr 21 04:20:41 yes weather is worse in the middle of the continent Apr 21 04:20:55 berndhs, my morning was like your evening then... Apr 21 04:21:08 spring is late Apr 21 04:21:15 spring? Apr 21 04:21:23 i heard they cancelled it Apr 21 04:21:24 :P Apr 21 04:21:34 probably, budget cuts Apr 21 04:21:42 :D Apr 21 04:21:58 you know, keeping up the heating system etc Apr 21 04:22:09 yes, expensive Apr 21 04:22:28 no, the groundhog specifically called for an early spring. Apr 21 04:22:46 If you developers can't deliver it... Apr 21 04:22:47 then he drowned in a t-storm Apr 21 04:23:04 We'll just have to switch to WP7 Apr 21 04:23:19 im switching to gnome3 Apr 21 04:23:30 worked for good 1/2 day Apr 21 04:23:59 looks nice too with QML apps Apr 21 04:24:51 then i changed a font, and QML apps crash, cant log in gnome3 any more Apr 21 04:25:58 I've been a KDE fan for a long time... but I installed Ubuntu on the family PC recently -- and GNOME is seducing me. Apr 21 04:27:08 oh it can be really nice Apr 21 04:27:36 its just beta stuff, perhaps a bit rushed at that Apr 21 04:28:49 Yeah, I've heard some good things about GNOME3. Apr 21 04:30:06 ah i fixed my login problem, went from beta to beta-testing :) Apr 21 04:37:39 g'night guys! Apr 21 04:37:45 (and gals!) Apr 21 04:37:51 good night Apr 21 04:37:55 mood groaning Apr 21 04:38:07 :-) Apr 21 06:28:44 hi i want to know if mssf2 as proposed in meego 2010 conferenace will be a part of meego 1.2 Apr 21 06:29:46 it's not, it was in the architecture change emails Apr 21 06:30:12 hi Apr 21 06:30:48 mnjääh Apr 21 06:30:58 morning Apr 21 06:31:22 Myrtti: morning Apr 21 06:33:04 @stskeeps is there any docs avialble about securityin meego 1.2 , I am working on dbus security and wanna know whats provided by meego. I checked out the mssf examples on the git but the libraries aren't fully integrated in even the latest builds aviable Apr 21 06:33:34 priyanka: meego-security-discussion@ mailing list Apr 21 06:54:03 QServiceManager is not there in my "meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot" Apr 21 06:54:20 then how work with service framework Apr 21 07:27:55 how long am I expected to wait for seeing my blogpost shown on planet meego? it's more than 24h now... Apr 21 08:40:21 any update on when accepted speakers will get their registration code ? Apr 21 08:52:23 Hi all, anybody knows if there's SimToolkit in meego for n900? Apr 21 08:52:47 there isn't Apr 21 08:56:11 Stskeeps: is there any additional info on that? Apr 21 08:57:50 edheldil: 'ofono' is probably best plcace to look Apr 21 08:58:35 I am considering creating one on Maemo, and any info would be helpful Apr 21 08:58:38 thanks Apr 21 08:59:16 have someone compiled meego-kernel? and if compiled successful, how the new one be placed on meego? Apr 21 09:32:51 Does anyone know if all sponsorship requests have been processed? Or are there still some waiting to be approved? Apr 21 09:33:15 well mine was processed already Apr 21 09:33:29 Mine too, but I have a friend who hasn't had a mail yet. Apr 21 09:33:36 alterego, it might be a bit early for US people to be able to answer, but ping DawnFoster who would know or be able to ask I gather Apr 21 09:33:45 leinir: ♥ Apr 21 09:33:46 I guess they'll send one if you're sponsorship has been denied as well? Apr 21 09:34:06 \o Venemo morning Apr 21 09:34:18 good morning to you too lcuk :) Apr 21 09:34:28 Hey Venemo, and hey lcuk Apr 21 09:34:37 hello alterego :) Apr 21 09:34:39 lcuk: but yeah, my sponsorship has been approved :) Apr 21 09:34:48 * alterego does the alcatraz dance Apr 21 09:35:01 Venemo, you need to look here for details about getting puzzle-master onto the OBS http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder Apr 21 09:35:11 lcuk, thanks Apr 21 09:35:20 I wonder if there's any side programme planned Apr 21 09:35:23 lcuk: you're not attending though right? Apr 21 09:35:44 would love to see the computer history museum properly, it was half closed last year because of renovations Apr 21 09:35:47 who said I wasn't attending? I have only indicated that Mrs lcuk will shout at me ;) Apr 21 09:35:54 Hah Apr 21 09:36:14 * lcuk was filling in the form last night Apr 21 09:36:19 :) Apr 21 09:36:25 Cool, would be great to meet you in person :) Apr 21 09:36:38 how was the cambridge meetup? Apr 21 09:36:45 (I half saw one was meant to happen Apr 21 09:36:54 Myrtti: :D Apr 21 09:37:04 hey leinir \o Apr 21 09:37:22 lcuk: yo! :) Apr 21 09:37:33 I can't wait for the fish restaurants :-D Apr 21 09:37:37 *drool* Apr 21 09:38:03 lcuk: just me and vgrade, but was enjoyable enough Apr 21 09:38:23 Two of my friends backed out, one fell ill so :/ Apr 21 09:38:51 speaking of which I have pub tonight with pals Apr 21 09:38:59 And I didn't get an email back from sjoerd so I guess Collabora guys didn't get the message :S Apr 21 09:39:08 * lcuk shall drink Guinness and talk tech all evening Apr 21 09:39:19 and compare beards! Apr 21 09:39:45 My beard is somewhat non-existent right now ;) Apr 21 09:39:51 We can compare others' beards though Apr 21 09:40:17 heh my mate is getting married and his stag do is coming up, one of the conditions is facial hair Apr 21 09:40:31 Oh nice :) Apr 21 09:40:44 the other is a hawaiian shirt too which is more tricky Apr 21 09:41:11 * lcuk does not think they come in pure black Apr 21 09:41:21 Ah, the old Robinson Crusoe / Castaway look Apr 21 09:41:50 alterego, hah Apr 21 09:42:45 What's the weather like for you? Yesterday and today have been really nice :) Apr 21 09:43:15 it is good over here, nice and warm, had all the doors and windows open Apr 21 09:43:15 And, I'm not suffering any hayfever this year, despite being surrounded by oilseed Apr 21 09:43:57 tracy got hayfever driving across the country last week Apr 21 09:45:49 alterego, which N900 DE image are you running at the moment? Apr 21 09:46:41 The alpha from the FI summit still Apr 21 09:49:49 alterego, and how are you finding it installing and working on it? Apr 21 09:50:06 is it happy to connect to qt-creator and run your apps? Apr 21 09:50:26 I've not used it with the meego sdf Apr 21 09:50:28 ~sdk Apr 21 09:50:29 The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com Apr 21 09:50:34 Heh Apr 21 09:51:10 I've been testing my dialer on it using obs local building, scp and ssh :) Apr 21 10:34:48 http://pastebin.com/BHxHFmqf Apr 21 10:35:17 getting error while compiling libmeegotouch/examples/servicefw Apr 21 10:35:32 ~sdk Apr 21 10:35:32 The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com Apr 21 10:35:45 mmm Apr 21 10:36:38 ~lbt Apr 21 10:36:50 anyone successfully builtl ibmeegotouch/examples/servicefw Apr 21 10:37:15 bkalinga: what platform are you on? Apr 21 10:37:23 qemu Apr 21 10:37:30 doesn't look like an osc build Apr 21 10:38:00 i am sorry lbt: i did not get you Apr 21 10:38:20 oh, I see what you're doing Apr 21 10:38:34 building some example code that comes with libmeegotouch Apr 21 10:38:56 in a qemu install Apr 21 10:39:27 Maybe file a bug against libmeegotouch component Apr 21 10:39:36 yes you are right Apr 21 10:39:43 i am trying to do that Apr 21 10:40:11 this is fine to build it inside qemu or not? Apr 21 10:40:27 it should work Apr 21 10:40:37 it may need libs you don't have installed Apr 21 10:41:33 OSC build; is it something developer needs to do? Apr 21 10:43:28 osc build is used to build packages for meego on non-meego platforms Apr 21 10:43:37 it's aimed at platform development Apr 21 10:43:48 but works for anything Apr 21 10:44:02 it's part of OBS Apr 21 10:44:35 it can also be used to build meego apps on meego platforms too? Apr 21 10:44:49 ie, using a meego netbook to build meego n900 DE apps? Apr 21 10:46:27 yes Apr 21 10:50:43 lbt: do you recommend, an application developer should use OBS/OSC for application development purpose Apr 21 10:57:13 bkalinga: that's a hard one - I think the meego SDK is probably the tool of choice for day to day hacking Apr 21 10:57:24 when the app is UI oriented Apr 21 10:57:47 ahem, isn't the idea of Qt that you could just hack anywhere? Apr 21 10:57:48 for traditional vim/emacs hackers then OBS is probably a better bet - but it's not yet easy to setup Apr 21 10:57:52 what's the benefit of the SDK? Apr 21 10:58:14 I would like to see more ability to flick between them Apr 21 10:58:15 mobile device emulation stuff Apr 21 10:58:35 madde Apr 21 10:58:42 configuration to talk with MADDE and all that to actually see app on ARM device from x86 desktop etc Apr 21 10:59:02 I want to use madde with emacs and OBS Apr 21 10:59:20 I'd like to see a 'send to OBS' button in madde Apr 21 10:59:42 That would be cool, I'm guessing you mean command though ;) Apr 21 10:59:52 fabo may oblige... Apr 21 10:59:59 lbt: you can login madde terminal Apr 21 11:00:01 qt creator should have push to obs though Apr 21 11:00:02 nah, a pink button alterego Apr 21 11:00:14 with the c,obs meegon on it :) Apr 21 11:00:23 :) Apr 21 11:00:33 * lbt may mean qt-creator Apr 21 11:00:43 the problem with guis is that the boundaries aren't clear Apr 21 11:01:09 You can do a local obs build through qt creator Apr 21 11:01:20 neat Apr 21 11:01:27 If you set up a custom build process etc. Apr 21 11:01:33 ah Apr 21 11:01:40 there is more customization available for buildchain now than before, don't know could it be integrated. Apr 21 11:01:43 Problem with qt creator is header locations though Apr 21 11:01:56 * lbt mumbles 'scratchbox' Apr 21 11:02:07 ? Apr 21 11:02:10 I have scratchbox integrated into qt creator also ;) Apr 21 11:02:15 me too Apr 21 11:02:15 alterego: eww Apr 21 11:02:44 doesn't much warm at night still Apr 21 11:02:49 but again header locations are a pain, because it uses you host environments include directories, not scratchboxs' or obs' Apr 21 11:03:11 yep - this is why it should integrate better Apr 21 11:03:23 So code completion and various squiggly underlines are all wacky Apr 21 11:03:24 sb2 would be easier imho Apr 21 11:03:28 your app doesn't get published until post-OBS build Apr 21 11:03:34 Ans5i: please leave now Apr 21 11:03:38 Hah Apr 21 11:03:44 heh Apr 21 11:03:53 scratchbox qt creator integration is fine Apr 21 11:04:10 F5 even starts my apps in zephyr window :) Apr 21 11:05:06 alterego: could you please point me, how to do scratch box set up for meego Apr 21 11:06:05 is it possible to have both qemu andscratchbox set up on same host machine without any conflict? Apr 21 11:06:07 oi guys, I remember someone (lbt?) talking about an odd bug in X which caused all draws to end up in stretched 45 degree angle; was there a bug report and fix I could look up? Apr 21 11:06:48 bkalinga: I don't have scratchbox for meego, I was refering to maemo Apr 21 11:07:12 so for meego, qemu is a good option then Apr 21 11:07:22 Well, I use on device. Apr 21 11:07:26 Bostik: wasn't me I'm afraid Apr 21 11:07:32 only problem is qtcreator is not integrated well Apr 21 11:07:35 But yeah, qemu seems the current way Apr 21 11:07:50 bkalinga: well, it's configured to use madde and deploy to your qemu instance. Apr 21 11:08:02 bkalinga: no Apr 21 11:08:16 you can have them both setup Apr 21 11:08:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox Apr 21 11:09:31 ok... Apr 21 11:09:38 the shared link is wrt maemo Apr 21 11:09:48 will it work for meego Apr 21 11:10:04 it's a linux kernel thing... Apr 21 11:11:44 ok Apr 21 11:12:25 it would be great it qtcreator intregrated well with Madde+qemu Apr 21 11:28:26 lbt: there's a build service plugin in Qt Creator Apr 21 11:28:34 not in madde ;) Apr 21 11:51:24 I managed to repair my n900 the other night :) Apr 21 11:51:34 after the usb power lead was getting a bit ropey Apr 21 11:51:42 and needed wire in same place always Apr 21 11:52:02 I dismantled it and inserted a fold of card ontop of the power connector Apr 21 11:52:26 wedging it between there and the MMC card slot which is physically overlapping the circuit board Apr 21 11:52:38 now my n900 can happily charge up :) Apr 21 11:53:00 maybe not a fulltime solution, but certainly adds confidence. Apr 21 11:53:52 this would only potentially work if the connection is loose rather than fully disconnected Apr 21 12:00:21 MeeGoExperts, how was #meegofi ? Apr 21 12:04:13 FANTASTIC Apr 21 12:04:29 As usual these MeeGo conferences do not disappoint Apr 21 12:05:04 :D I hear everyone was happy about the N900 DE as well as the other stuff Apr 21 12:05:12 what was your favourite session? Apr 21 12:05:23 yep. There were loads of developers fired up and ready to go :-) Apr 21 12:06:59 possibly "Optimizing MeeGo Apps with Intel MeeGo development tools" Apr 21 12:07:20 MeeGoExperts, yeah, what made that more interesting than the others? Apr 21 12:07:43 that after the session people were getting loaner exopc's Apr 21 12:07:44 :P Apr 21 12:08:35 Heh Apr 21 12:09:07 heh? Apr 21 12:12:31 * Jaffa starts re-reading http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2011/meego-meeting.2011-03-18-14.58.log.html#l-111 after MeeGoExperts' latest wrap up. Apr 21 12:12:51 "we should discuss in the next TSG meeting". Of course, the "next TSG meeting" cam and went and was just more rubber stamping of working groups. Apr 21 12:13:18 Jaffa: What day are you flying to SF? Apr 21 12:13:37 alterego: Flying out Saturday. Virgin Atlantic from Heathrow @ 13:00. Back on Thursday. Apr 21 12:13:44 So'll have to stump up for an extra night Apr 21 12:13:52 I was thinking of doing the same Apr 21 12:14:05 Though I was gonna fly out Friday :D Apr 21 12:14:15 And come back thursday Apr 21 12:14:18 * Jaffa 's already taking a week off work... Apr 21 12:14:54 * w00t_ is going saturday -> saturday Apr 21 12:15:03 spending some extra time wandering around Apr 21 12:15:05 w00t_: Nice Apr 21 12:15:05 I'd love to go sat-sat Apr 21 12:15:10 Would like to see some sights. Apr 21 12:15:16 (actually having a holiday!) Apr 21 12:15:16 * Jaffa 's been to SF a few times (for JavaOne). It's a great place. Apr 21 12:15:22 What time do the warm ups start on saturday? Apr 21 12:15:30 meh, I hope the next conference will be in Europe Apr 21 12:15:33 I'm looking forward to having some geeky drinks at the top of the Hil(d)on Skybar Apr 21 12:15:40 alterego: First thing, I think :-( Apr 21 12:15:51 Because I was planning on volunteering Apr 21 12:16:18 I think I arrive around 11am saturday Apr 21 12:16:20 Is your flight back the one that leaves at 19:05 SF time? Apr 21 12:16:29 alterego: Sounds about right Apr 21 12:16:46 We should start the wiki page for flights Apr 21 12:16:49 Well, guess we've got a fair amount of time on thursday Apr 21 12:17:46 Bloody hell, that wiki.meego.com bug about being half-logged in is still there :-( Apr 21 12:17:55 Yeah, it's a pain in the ass Apr 21 12:18:09 anyone using tablet sdk + madde? Apr 21 12:20:40 random linux question Apr 21 12:20:40 Oh the options ... Apr 21 12:20:55 why does "ps" only list a couple of processes Apr 21 12:20:59 but "top" lists all Apr 21 12:21:10 ps only lists ones with a controlling terminal i think Apr 21 12:21:14 that belong to the current user Apr 21 12:21:28 as for the real why, who knows :) Apr 21 12:22:41 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2011/Flight_Information Apr 21 12:23:06 lcuk: use 'ps aux' Apr 21 12:23:34 or for extra info overload, "ps auxfwwwww" Apr 21 12:23:46 a lesser number of w's might do it :) Apr 21 12:24:43 Jaffa: when do you think we'll know if LXF can prepay for flights? I don't have the capital to book it myself :/ Apr 21 12:26:10 alterego: No, you have to pay for it yourself first. Apr 21 12:26:36 So the foundation was asked then? Apr 21 12:26:39 X-Fade: bdub has gone away to ask if there's a possibiltiy for a limited number of exceptions Apr 21 12:26:44 And that's what they said? Apr 21 12:27:02 Ah, don't know about the exceptions. I was refering to the normal procedure. Apr 21 12:27:17 Yeah, I was enquiring about the exceptions :D Apr 21 12:27:39 I've moved the flight information page to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information Apr 21 12:28:01 Venemo_N900, thanks! Apr 21 12:28:21 lcuk: you're welcome :) Apr 21 12:33:37 hi Apr 21 12:33:50 \o Apr 21 12:33:57 * rzr is looking for meego devices owners to test a game Apr 21 12:44:19 rzr: you could try a chroot Apr 21 12:48:08 lbt: so robog is running old style. or did you updated to skynet ? Apr 21 12:48:15 phaeron: I saw the commit notification process Apr 21 12:48:21 skynet Apr 21 12:48:42 lbt: did you push the code ? Apr 21 12:50:14 err,,,, yes, of course Apr 21 12:50:25 right *g* Apr 21 12:50:33 skynet branch Apr 21 12:50:37 not pkged Apr 21 12:51:36 so I need to do more pkging Apr 21 12:51:49 no.. reuse what you just did Apr 21 12:52:01 that was the point - generic part pkging Apr 21 12:52:11 lbt: what about my question "boss-obs-plugin needs to stuff the api url into the obsEvent" Apr 21 12:52:12 anyhow you wrote the code -you get to pkg it Apr 21 12:52:18 yeah... mmm Apr 21 12:52:21 does it Apr 21 12:52:28 *every* event Apr 21 12:52:46 what should be in there? Apr 21 12:53:15 well it's just a field in the json that says this even comes from this OBS. right now each participant has the apiurl in the conf Apr 21 12:53:20 which is wrong imho Apr 21 12:53:29 *event Apr 21 12:53:35 true Apr 21 12:53:44 also the project is in there Apr 21 12:53:51 and isn't qualified Apr 21 12:54:04 it's feasible to handle multiple OBSes in one process Apr 21 12:54:20 process store Apr 21 12:54:38 well add one more layer to the hierarchy Apr 21 12:55:01 mapping hierarchy Apr 21 12:55:28 lets get this process running Apr 21 12:55:48 although it's getting a bit redundant. if I want to enable a process for all Devel projects in all obses handled I need to make 100 copies (or links) of it Apr 21 12:56:35 ls Apr 21 12:56:40 *yes Apr 21 12:57:18 not sure what you mean about the 100 copies ,,,, tell me some other time though Apr 21 12:58:16 right now I'm doing a mk_process Apr 21 12:58:28 which installs a process for a prj/event pair Apr 21 12:58:45 I think that lives in robog Apr 21 12:59:05 it should be in the -processes package Apr 21 12:59:10 maybe Apr 21 12:59:33 well, it populates the robog store Apr 21 12:59:44 so it's only relevant to robog Apr 21 12:59:58 hmm then it should be called enable_process Apr 21 13:00:14 got the impression it helps _make_ a new process Apr 21 13:00:42 install ? Apr 21 13:01:00 mm enable is good Apr 21 13:02:25 Venemo_N900: i already tested it on the livecd it works, but i wanted to have feedback on real "meego" devices Apr 21 13:02:37 mhm Apr 21 13:02:59 lbt: why don't we have the manual -Release thing Apr 21 13:03:24 in the version policy ? Apr 21 13:03:30 yes Apr 21 13:03:45 that's for packaging changes Apr 21 13:04:35 brb coffee Apr 21 13:04:40 mmm Apr 21 13:13:22 where can i find ExoPC users ? Apr 21 13:13:35 here Apr 21 13:16:24 There's a forum somewhere too Apr 21 13:16:32 Might be on the manufacturers website Apr 21 13:16:48 * Apr 21 13:16:48 http://www.exopc.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=110# Hardware Apr 21 13:16:50 i am on it Apr 21 13:16:55 :) Apr 21 13:17:18 same question applies to wetab :) Apr 21 13:46:26 phaeron: cool Apr 21 14:14:05 rzr: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC Apr 21 14:14:49 yes i was on that page Apr 21 14:15:08 did they give it w/ win7 on it ? Apr 21 14:15:55 rzr: all the meego exos that are being handed out come with MeeGo Tablet UX Apr 21 14:17:05 mind you, mine had the licence sticker on it Apr 21 14:17:09 but who cares Apr 21 14:19:35 phaeron: you have non idempotent postinst Apr 21 14:19:43 you can sell it and buy an other one Apr 21 14:19:50 lbt: yeah I can see that Apr 21 14:20:39 should be a simple [[ ! -d $DIR ]] && mkdir -p $DIR Apr 21 14:21:01 selling it is a breach of contract Apr 21 14:21:11 no, it should create it only on install not on upgrade Apr 21 14:21:19 upgrade condition would be different Apr 21 14:21:35 "${DIR}" Apr 21 14:31:35 lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/95 Apr 21 14:31:51 Oh, it's a bank holiday tomorrow isn't it .. Apr 21 14:32:57 thank god Apr 21 14:33:28 pexi: yes it is a religious holiday :) Apr 21 14:34:00 Well, apparently I have to confirm my sponsorship by Monday, but I can't really confirm it until I know whether the foundation can pay for me upfront :S Apr 21 14:34:13 lbt ping on BOSS Apr 21 14:34:13 Monday being a bank holiday also .. Apr 21 14:34:40 alterego: well, send it off and say "oh yes plz!" and tell them about that issue with payment in the email? Apr 21 14:34:57 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Apr 21 14:35:35 ScriptRipper: pong Apr 21 14:35:49 phaeron: give me a minute to accept it Apr 21 14:35:57 want to watch the events Apr 21 14:36:06 ScriptRipper: pong here too Apr 21 14:36:06 ok Apr 21 14:36:19 good Apr 21 14:36:44 i had just been asking David how its going with BOSS development Apr 21 14:37:27 IIRC I was told BOSS 1.0 should be released with MeeGo 1.2 Apr 21 14:37:37 but, btw, when is MeeGo 1.2 released ? Apr 21 14:37:52 * lcuk just watching the meego fi track by Jukka :) loving the analogue recording and shaky camera work Apr 21 14:38:26 I had expected some MeeGo 1.2 branch in OBS days ago, but could not find it Apr 21 14:38:44 everything got postponed, was on meego-releases@ Apr 21 14:38:51 ScriptRipper: IIRC 1.2 will be released mid-to-late May. There was an announce on either the meego-dev or meego-reelease ML. Apr 21 14:39:08 ah, so I slept at that time :D Apr 21 14:39:30 and overread it Apr 21 14:40:54 4/29 - Trunk reopen for development. 1.2 Branch will be created, 1.2 Apr 21 14:41:02 that was what I was seeking for Apr 21 14:41:27 on Fri in one week Apr 21 14:42:23 ScriptRipper: We don't currently have a date to release a 1.0 version of BOSS Apr 21 14:43:25 ScriptRipper: who expected 1.0 ? Apr 21 14:43:40 I was told Apr 21 14:44:02 so I had expectations after Apr 21 14:44:14 so to say :D Apr 21 14:44:17 well working harder nowadays :) Apr 21 14:45:49 Hello! Could somebody help me? Building rpm package from qt application for Meego the problem "command qmake not found" appears. Attempts to add libqt4-dev (or qt-qmake-4.7.0-3.1) into BuildReqires failed: unresolvable: nothing provides libqt4-dev. Thanks in Advance Apr 21 14:46:02 ScriptRipper: we are working on the roadmap at the moment Apr 21 14:46:10 so feedback to that would be good Apr 21 14:46:22 where is the roadmap ? Apr 21 14:46:32 on my desk Apr 21 14:46:44 Lana_: in MeeGo, development packages end in "-devel", not "-dev" Apr 21 14:46:57 Stskeeps: I can pastebin it Apr 21 14:47:04 and it will go onto the wiki RSN Apr 21 14:47:14 hum? Apr 21 14:47:17 wiki would be nice Apr 21 14:47:18 lol Apr 21 14:47:45 thiago: cite? Apr 21 14:59:13 phaeron: can robogrator take some debug flags Apr 21 14:59:33 lbt: to do what Apr 21 14:59:36 bitwise ... 1 = print incoming Apr 21 14:59:48 2 = which process is used Apr 21 14:59:53 4 = print process Apr 21 14:59:57 should be enouh Apr 21 15:00:19 and if it's non-zero then re-read config for each event? Apr 21 15:00:41 something like that? Apr 21 15:00:44 mm , sure you need this now ? Apr 21 15:01:12 well, I can hack the insted code Apr 21 15:01:18 to remove the extra prints Apr 21 15:01:22 so it's not urgent Apr 21 15:01:30 but it should be on the todo Apr 21 15:01:44 nb... that's an idea, not a spec Apr 21 15:01:56 currently is too talkative Apr 21 15:02:02 yep Apr 21 15:02:14 and the input json has a bdep dump (!) Apr 21 15:02:55 binary deps ? Apr 21 15:06:04 hey cool, the rotation layout on the peregrine screen is neat Apr 21 15:08:22 phaeron: yes Apr 21 15:09:35 2011-04-21 15:06:57.783364500 home:sikemppa is done building .. now to test Apr 21 15:11:32 hi all, wheres the diffenrence between the n900 builds "*armv7hl-n900" and "*armv7l-n900", which one should i use? Apr 21 15:12:09 armv7hl, armv7l will be disabled end of this month Apr 21 15:12:11 armv7hl is hardfp port Apr 21 15:12:26 just that bdeps is very noisy and appears in some OBS events Apr 21 15:12:37 ok Apr 21 15:12:51 Stskeeps: thx! Apr 21 15:12:57 doesn't the N900 hardware have FP problems? Apr 21 15:13:11 thiago: no, that's thumb you're thinking of Apr 21 15:13:21 ah, right Apr 21 15:13:34 makes more sense Apr 21 15:14:56 Stskeeps: the thumb problems are OMAP3 not specific to N900 right? Apr 21 15:15:03 right Apr 21 15:16:40 phaeron: I notice the 'demo' participants are called check and notify..... maybe not the best choice... although it should now allow a de-register/remove Apr 21 15:17:00 yes Apr 21 15:17:25 unsuspecting users of notify could get problems Apr 21 15:19:25 lbt: do you remember if Launcher keeps an amqp connection open or is one shot Apr 21 15:19:36 one shot Apr 21 15:29:14 I feel like such a pain in the ass harassing the lf guy about the hotel room :-/ Apr 21 15:51:39 does anybody know why the photo viewer on meego cannot see the photos used in its theme Apr 21 15:52:27 ie, using todays N900 DE image, the theme picture is great Apr 21 15:52:37 but opening the photo viewer it shows no images Apr 21 15:52:52 I'd still like to know what the Friends-panel is supposed to do in the Tablet UX Apr 21 15:54:11 Myrtti, you mean in the meego ux? Apr 21 15:54:18 lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/96 Apr 21 15:54:18 lcuk, same question? Apr 21 15:54:22 Show updates/status from your friends? Apr 21 15:54:31 RST38h, ding, you win! Apr 21 15:54:49 twitter, facebook, chat accounts, email, etc... updates Apr 21 15:55:12 * RST38h puts on his Cpt Obvious tricorne Apr 21 15:55:32 tripz0: the vanilla one - anyway I don't see anything Apr 21 15:55:47 Myrtti, go to settings->web accounts and add facebook Apr 21 15:55:56 or setup an chat or email account Apr 21 15:56:33 tripz0: I did setup facebook, I get "Success" and then - nothing Apr 21 15:56:59 hmm Apr 21 15:57:18 on the back of the friends panel, does facebook show up as a toggle? Apr 21 15:58:03 and what image are you using? Apr 21 15:58:03 nope Apr 21 15:58:23 facebook probably wasn't really "successful" then :| Apr 21 15:58:34 this was with tablet 0415.3, now the same with tablet 0420 Apr 21 15:59:02 * tripz0 tries it out Apr 21 15:59:19 Maybe it is worth looking for current bugs filed forthis panel? Apr 21 15:59:25 and even with gtalk setup successfully and the toggle on the back of the panel, nothing still shows Apr 21 15:59:43 just "you have no web accounts enabled yadayada" Apr 21 15:59:45 Just in case there is one stating that "The panel is broken and does not do shit" Apr 21 16:00:12 yeh, see if there is a bug Apr 21 16:00:20 iirc, it was working last time i tried it Apr 21 16:00:33 tripz0, to test this out would require I get a facebook Apr 21 16:00:46 lcuk, if you do, i'll be your friend ;) Apr 21 16:00:56 heya lcuk, don't get facebook, stay one of us, the proud old farts Apr 21 16:02:07 lol RST38h I tweeted about being old recently :P http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/59182570713255936 Apr 21 16:02:14 RST38h: too late ... he tweets too Apr 21 16:02:18 see Apr 21 16:02:28 identi.ca freedom haters !!! Apr 21 16:02:44 7:) Apr 21 16:02:46 OMG, he tweets like a parakeet... Apr 21 16:02:50 identi.ca is the lowest pit of FLOSS zealotry hell Apr 21 16:02:57 phaeron: mmm I didn't see a REQUEST_CREATE Apr 21 16:03:25 RST38h, I was talking to a Cockatoo at the wildlife gardens on holiday :) Apr 21 16:03:45 we had a great chat :) Apr 21 16:04:20 lovely bird, I shall see if tracy has uploaded a photo Apr 21 16:04:55 lbt: did you apply that patch ? Apr 21 16:05:17 lcuk: yes, much more pleasant creature than most people... Got one asa pet. Apr 21 16:05:27 which patch? Apr 21 16:06:01 RST38h, :) he kept climbing down his cage and bringing up sticks for me we had a lovely time Apr 21 16:06:13 phaeron: you mean the sr you just submitted? Apr 21 16:06:56 s/cage/aviary/ Apr 21 16:06:56 lcuk meant: RST38h, :) he kept climbing down his aviary and bringing up sticks for me we had a lovely time Apr 21 16:07:03 lcuk: I think he was trying to build you a nestso that you can lay eggs... Apr 21 16:08:36 lbt: no the multiactions patch Apr 21 16:18:06 lbt: so what's next Apr 21 16:31:51 ok Apr 21 16:32:37 phaeron: where does OBS_SRCSRV_REQUEST_CREATE come from Apr 21 16:34:12 mmm it is the srcserver Apr 21 16:48:18 Myrtti: you were having some problems w/ the friends panel? Apr 21 16:52:15 jausmus: yup Apr 21 16:55:16 * Stskeeps ponders idly on ibrahimatlinux's tweet Apr 21 16:55:35 "Welcome #panasonic and #huawei to #Meego handset" Apr 21 16:56:19 whaaa? Apr 21 16:56:39 Myrtti: what's the issue? :) Apr 21 16:56:47 i would love a MeeGo DECT handset, though. Apr 21 16:56:48 :P Apr 21 16:56:59 STskeeps: should use Chinese and Japanesefor the greeting though Apr 21 16:57:36 yeah, Latin character support is not enough Apr 21 16:58:09 jausmus: facebook login yields no results, google talk setup doesn't display in the panel Apr 21 16:58:41 Stskeeps: supybot setup ? Apr 21 16:59:03 Myrtti: for FB, make sure your TZ and date/time is set up correctly - most social networking web APIs seem to be very sensitive to timestamp issues on API requests Apr 21 16:59:38 lbt, yes, do you have a web server on there too or some way to proxy paths? Apr 21 16:59:45 lbt, meeting logs need to be exported somehow Apr 21 17:00:06 Myrtti: for google talk - you're saying the account doesn't even show up on the back of the panel? Apr 21 17:00:16 we can install a webserver and access via the main proxy Apr 21 17:00:21 ok Apr 21 17:00:33 doesn't even have to be advanced, just serve files from a dir Apr 21 17:00:39 *nod* Apr 21 17:00:41 Stskeeps: also... can I use supybot to issue irc alert/info/event messages? Apr 21 17:01:15 lbt: maybe there is a plugin? it would require a open port of sorts Apr 21 17:01:37 *nod* have it listen on an internal port and basically relay alerts Apr 21 17:01:54 wondered if you knew Apr 21 17:02:29 https://github.com/tbielawa/supybot-mailed-notifier Apr 21 17:02:36 Myrtti: also, what versions of meego-ux-panels-friends, meego-ux-content, meego-ux-content-socialweb, and meego-app-im are you working with? Apr 21 17:04:39 jausmus: does show in the back of the panel, but not beyond that Apr 21 17:05:52 Myrtti: so, after it shows up in the back of the panel, you have the IM account in a logged in state, you are on the panels screen, someone sends you an IM, and it doesn't show up - correct? Apr 21 17:06:18 oh damn, I can't set the time... Apr 21 17:06:19 ho hum Apr 21 17:06:45 tripz0: ^^^^ Apr 21 17:06:56 yeh, i have a bug for that Apr 21 17:07:07 Myrtti: xterm? :) Apr 21 17:07:10 Myrtti, use date -s on the commandline Apr 21 17:07:23 i'm trying to debug what broke Apr 21 17:07:30 myyh, I'd have to... Apr 21 17:07:32 no hold on Apr 21 17:07:46 yeah, I don't even have access to ssh Apr 21 17:08:30 Myrtti: what device are you on? Apr 21 17:08:38 exopc Apr 21 17:08:56 have a USB KB handy? Apr 21 17:08:56 plug in a keyboard and do a ctrl+alt+f1 Apr 21 17:08:58 * Myrtti considers ripping the keyboard off her sisters computer... Apr 21 17:09:05 haha, do it! Apr 21 17:09:20 * Myrtti has an eye twitch while considering Apr 21 17:09:56 Myrtti: sorry for all the hassle :( Apr 21 17:11:09 * Myrtti shoots a video of the computers back to see what kind of plug the keyboard has Apr 21 17:13:41 meh Apr 21 17:15:19 yeah, can't do it, I can't go blindly rip all the usb cables off Apr 21 17:18:39 hmmm... setting the time is working for me now... Apr 21 17:18:51 * tripz0 guesses some b0rkage in trunk with timed Apr 21 17:19:00 ...that is fixed now Apr 21 17:21:25 Have all the sponsorship acceptance mails been sent? Apr 21 17:22:33 Myrtti, setting the time in settings should work in the next image that is produced. it's working for me now after updating trunk Apr 21 17:23:36 in other news, the d-feet package doesn't pull in all the right deps Apr 21 17:23:38 * tripz0 files bug Apr 21 17:32:22 * auke works some more on systemd Apr 21 17:33:49 remember to document it this time, fastinit wasn't horribly ;p Apr 21 17:36:39 DawnFoster1: so, if you had meetbot logs on a public url, what domain.meego.com would that be? Apr 21 17:38:25 Stskeeps: ah, good question. we should also probably move the logs from this channel, too (general IRC logs) Apr 21 17:38:36 Stskeeps: so maybe irc.meego.com? Apr 21 17:38:52 we'll need to talk to Mike / Adam about it to finalize anything Apr 21 17:38:56 :nod: Apr 21 17:39:04 am setting up the irc bots atm on there Apr 21 17:39:06 or maybe something more specific like irclogs.meego.com Apr 21 17:39:24 Stskeeps: all the hardcoded ordering is gone, systemd is more of a 'drop config in place' type thing Apr 21 17:39:27 that might be a little better Apr 21 17:39:30 yeah Apr 21 17:39:37 i guess we'll go with working title as that for now Apr 21 17:39:50 Stskeeps: sounds good Apr 21 17:39:55 thanks for helping with this!! Apr 21 17:40:07 no problem Apr 21 17:40:38 DawnFoster1: can we vacate #moblin? I'd like to kick everyone out but do not have ops.. Apr 21 17:41:10 auke: probably a good idea - I don't have ops for that one either Apr 21 17:41:43 ok, I'll lookup who does Apr 21 17:51:27 in other news, we had 461 IRC meetings since project start Apr 21 17:53:07 as Linus said, talk is cheap :) how many KLoCs per each meeting? Apr 21 17:53:33 that's difficult to measure Apr 21 17:54:48 i really like this: http://programming-motherfucker.com/ Apr 21 17:54:51 That's what she said Apr 21 18:01:23 Stskeeps: Xorg will run on vc/1 Apr 21 18:01:27 ok Apr 21 18:01:44 what, xorg? i thougt we were going to go straight for wayland ;p Apr 21 18:01:53 * auke bitchslaps Stskeeps Apr 21 18:02:57 DawnFoster1: second meeting room set up Apr 21 18:03:16 DawnFoster1: feel free to make http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule look nicer than i did :) Apr 21 18:04:24 Wayland for MeeGo 1.3 :) Apr 21 18:06:03 forget testing for Wayland, jsut ship it Apr 21 18:34:45 I was running dd today to load the DE image on my device Apr 21 18:34:49 when it finished, it told me: Apr 21 18:34:50 dd copied 3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 5339.45 s, 715 kB/s Apr 21 18:35:12 that was from my laptop, over usb, into n900 and onto the eMMC shared from there Apr 21 18:35:27 what data speed do others get when copying images? Apr 21 18:36:02 Mine is usually about 10MB/s Apr 21 18:36:18 fluctuates from 8 up to 12 sometimes though Apr 21 18:36:28 any idea which components I would need to peek at to try and find reason? Apr 21 18:36:45 lcuk: Hrm... that's like sub-USB-1.0 speed. Apr 21 18:36:57 I guess check you're using ehci and not ohci Apr 21 18:37:10 gabrbedd, that has been usb speed since year . Apr 21 18:37:24 ok alterego, how would I check that? Apr 21 18:37:26 Is you laptop usb 1? :) Apr 21 18:37:38 lsmod | grep hci Apr 21 18:38:04 ahci is tere Apr 21 18:38:21 s/tere/there/ Apr 21 18:38:21 lcuk meant: ahci is there Apr 21 18:38:34 Not sure what ahci is, but it's probably > usb 1.0 Apr 21 18:38:49 Does dmesg say anything about it? Apr 21 18:38:58 Like failed read/writes? Apr 21 18:39:23 My laptop controller seems to get flakey on large copies when I'm using other USB devices. Apr 21 18:39:43 Well, some other usb devices, my mouse works fine Apr 21 18:39:59 usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 Apr 21 18:40:00 lcuk: what does `lsusb` and `lsusb -t` give you? Apr 21 18:40:09 a mo, I will pastebin Apr 21 18:40:24 Well, seems to think the device is using ehci .. Apr 21 18:40:29 Which is positive Apr 21 18:40:31 sometimes... it makes a difference which one you've plugged it in to Apr 21 18:40:53 E.g. a device can reserve bandwidth. Apr 21 18:41:27 I once had trouble using a USB audio card because the PC was internally sharing a hub with the webcam. (And the webcam reserved too much bandwidth, even when not in use) Apr 21 18:42:30 wtf is going on in meego-meeting? Apr 21 18:43:36 lbt: i think your script didn't work Apr 21 18:44:27 I think someone configured it to run as a daemon ;) Apr 21 18:44:33 .. Apr 21 18:44:33 :P Apr 21 18:44:35 under daemontools.... Apr 21 18:44:42 did you spot #meego-meeting? Apr 21 18:44:43 :P Apr 21 18:44:50 Definately daemonic Apr 21 18:44:55 Hah Apr 21 18:45:00 -d means fork into background, fiw Apr 21 18:45:02 fwiw Apr 21 18:45:02 :P Apr 21 18:45:05 no... I saw ps Apr 21 18:45:07 FTW Apr 21 18:45:09 I was waiting for M666oBub Apr 21 18:45:22 ok, so that part didn't work Apr 21 18:45:23 :P Apr 21 18:46:28 OK - so it'll restart now Apr 21 18:55:12 lbt: you're the one killing it? Apr 21 18:55:26 yes Apr 21 18:55:54 ok Apr 21 18:56:45 what was the OpenGL support in MeeGo again? OpenGL ES 2.0? Apr 21 18:56:57 ES2.0 Apr 21 18:57:09 well, for qt Apr 21 18:59:12 mumble ... too painful Apr 21 18:59:36 daemontools is kinda neat ... and kinda cryptic Apr 21 18:59:52 keeping errors visible long after they've been cleared Apr 21 19:00:26 DNS and nginx is setup.. now need to point the web1 at it Apr 21 19:00:39 someone let me know if meego.com goes down Apr 21 19:23:18 pohly: ping Apr 21 19:23:26 saidinesh5: pong Apr 21 19:23:50 the current master doesn't build for me... basically it is throwing me errors at the WebDav backend Apr 21 19:24:05 it seems like there are no configure checks for that Apr 21 19:25:00 the first error comes at line 20 of Apr 21 19:25:31 backends/webdav/WebDAVSource.cpp Apr 21 19:26:21 with the line 20 above the #ifdef Apr 21 19:28:27 now i'm not sure one can simply move that line into the #ifdef ENABLE_DAV ..... Apr 21 19:30:00 Then I screwed up the build without webdav. Apr 21 19:31:16 I see why. Will fix in a second. Apr 21 19:31:27 hmm.... the thing is #ifdef ENABLE_DAV has been used in a different way in Apr 21 19:31:36 WebDAVSourceRegister Apr 21 19:32:25 so i think it means a different thing Apr 21 19:32:27 sure :) Apr 21 19:32:37 Yes, it is no longer consistent. WebDAVCredentialsOkay must be outside of ifdefs in all cases. Apr 21 19:33:55 Nightly builds are still having issues due to the recent experiments with WebDAV/CalDAV/build platform. Otherwise I would have noticed in a build failure in one of the minimal configs. Oh well. Apr 21 19:34:16 ih Apr 21 19:34:18 oh Apr 21 19:42:10 alterego, good news then :) Apr 21 19:42:39 Yes :) Apr 21 19:42:47 * alterego is happy as larry Apr 21 19:42:58 Well, if I can raise about 1200 quid :D Apr 21 19:43:23 now we have multiple meego meeting rooms.... who thinks they should be named? #meego-meeting-pink is so much better than #meego-meeting2 Apr 21 19:43:42 why do we have so many rooms? Apr 21 19:43:49 we are legion Apr 21 19:44:09 (conflicts) Apr 21 19:44:15 anyhow... just a though Apr 21 19:44:16 t Apr 21 19:44:39 will #meego-meeting-pink be about the UX and carried out in a slightly effeminate way Apr 21 19:45:01 * lbt has a pink shirt.... wanna make something of it? eh? eh? Apr 21 19:45:25 * lbt makes a note not to wash it with red socks again.... Apr 21 19:45:27 actually yes Apr 21 19:45:35 washed the white shirt with red socks? Apr 21 19:45:54 have you seen the price of pink shirts! Apr 21 19:46:16 have you seen the price of petrol? damn thing goes up 3p / litre every time I top up Apr 21 19:46:20 * lbt wanders off to do some dance practice.... Apr 21 19:46:53 -meeting-salmon -meeting-mahimahi -meeting-vendance -meeting-halibut Apr 21 19:47:01 vendace even Apr 21 19:48:22 well, you can all blame me for lack of creative naming schemes ;) Apr 21 19:48:37 says the person with a 1 at the end of their name Apr 21 19:48:47 ha! Apr 21 19:48:58 name them after a songs, meeting-hurt, meeting-oops,i-did-it-again... Apr 21 19:49:25 I might have to take out a bank loan to pay for the flights to San Fran :D Apr 21 19:49:33 are there many here that run meego on n900? Apr 21 19:49:38 compengi: yes Apr 21 19:49:39 will their be #meego-greenroom for pre-meeting drinks? Apr 21 19:49:43 compengi: more in #meego-arm Apr 21 19:49:57 Stskeeps, cool.. does it run smoothly? Apr 21 19:50:29 could have #meego-talking for less formal meetings Apr 21 19:50:44 compengi: better than it used to Apr 21 19:51:10 #meego-nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition-meeting Apr 21 19:51:37 Bored now Apr 21 19:51:47 that channel will also enforce correct grammar and spelling Apr 21 19:52:52 then it would have to be #MeeGo-... channel Apr 21 19:53:20 #meego+meeting Apr 21 19:59:08 So, at the risk of opening myself up to a world of hurt here... Apr 21 19:59:28 Is there anything you want to see demo'ed at the SF MeeGo Conference? Apr 21 20:00:36 is it interesting and you'll show up - no session already? submit it for the Late Breaking News call that should open up two weeks before conference :) Apr 21 20:01:22 I should back up. Apr 21 20:02:03 Yes, I am showing up - I'm on the hook for demos in one of the booths in the lobby Apr 21 20:02:59 Right now, I'm planning to bring the demo that Renee James showed in her keynote at IDF Apr 21 20:05:55 What else are people interested in seeing? Apr 21 20:06:41 Steve Jobs exploding on stage, leaving only his black turtleneck behind. Apr 21 20:07:02 Hmmm.. might be tough to arrange... Apr 21 20:07:07 haha Apr 21 20:07:08 hehehe Apr 21 20:08:28 * gabrbedd would settle for an Eloplosion Apr 21 20:08:59 So I'm sensing a theme of things exploding. Apr 21 20:09:29 I wonder if the Hyatt management will be OK with that. Apr 21 20:12:09 pixelgeek: I didn't see RJ's keynote. What did he demo? Apr 21 20:12:31 pixelgeek: I.e. what sort of demo's do you have in mind? Apr 21 20:12:51 She showed a mother helping her child with his homework Apr 21 20:13:33 The child started off doing his homework on a MeeGo TV 'set top box' Apr 21 20:13:57 Then asked his mother for help. She transfers the program to her tablet. Apr 21 20:14:12 She helps him with the maths problem Apr 21 20:15:14 Then for the next question, she tells him he has to ask his teacher, so she transers the program on to his classmate PC running MeeGo for him to take to school with him. Apr 21 20:16:27 pixelgeek: transfers what? Apr 21 20:17:50 BTW, I think I've seen videos where vgrade (or someone) doing that with movies -- transferring the playback between several devices. Apr 21 20:18:17 Yes, we showed that in Dublin. :) Apr 21 20:18:44 ok... maybe it was you. :-) Apr 21 20:19:44 We can also show a game played between two player on their own devices, with the TV showing the board for other spectators. Apr 21 20:20:20 also pohly , currently the bugreports (from the Dr.Konqi / the GUI) are set to goto "syncevolution@syncevolution.org" , which one will manually email via. their KMail Apr 21 20:20:48 (in the KAboutData before initializing the KApplications) Apr 21 20:20:56 ^^ transfers the whole program - it starts up on the other device at exactly the same point as it stopped on the first device. Apr 21 20:21:25 how does that work? Apr 21 20:21:30 so If we want, we can change that to the KDE's Bugzilla or some other address Apr 21 20:22:48 saidinesh5: what information will be sent to the list? Is it potentially confidential? Apr 21 20:23:13 ali1234: magic! Apr 21 20:23:22 pohly: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271450 sample bug report Apr 21 20:23:53 ;) Apr 21 20:25:01 basically a backtrace Apr 21 20:25:16 pixelgeek: specifically i would like to know in what way programs need to be modified to support this Apr 21 20:25:16 and a user provided information Apr 21 20:26:41 ali1234: I understand. I don't know if we publicized the technology behind it yet, but it's all based on existing standards. Apr 21 20:26:48 Let's keep the public email list then. Apr 21 20:26:58 that doesn't answer my question at all :) Apr 21 20:27:16 presumably the program has to be modified to serialize it's entire state to a file Apr 21 20:27:19 :) Buy me a beer sometime Apr 21 20:27:33 then that has to be transfered over the network Apr 21 20:27:47 then there has to be a version of the program available on the other device Apr 21 20:30:06 anyway as far as demos go Apr 21 20:30:18 i would prefer to see a demo of something that is available now Apr 21 20:30:35 pixelgeek: You looking for existing tech... or something that you'd have to do a little dev? Apr 21 20:30:37 pohly: that is the current one itself right? Apr 21 20:30:42 not a rigged demo of something that may or may not be available at some point in the future Apr 21 20:30:49 So, displays of shipping netbooks, IVI, tablet with MeeGo then? Apr 21 20:31:09 (syncevolution@syncevolution.org) Apr 21 20:31:18 yes, but make them do something that the others can't Apr 21 20:31:34 pixelgeek: Yeah, that'll pack'em in the aisles! Apr 21 20:31:38 :-) Apr 21 20:31:40 Hmmm... Such as? Apr 21 20:31:52 saidinesh5: yes Apr 21 20:31:56 i dunno, i don't think meego can do anything particularly unique at this point Apr 21 20:32:00 cool... Apr 21 20:32:03 Yes Apr 21 20:32:09 anyway you don't want to listen to me, i'm not even going Apr 21 20:32:16 It's a real challeng to differentiate on software. Apr 21 20:32:58 pixelgeek: How about this: tether several MeeGo devices so that their displays are either a large, composited display or a multi-headed display. Apr 21 20:33:11 that has nothing to do with meego Apr 21 20:33:12 gabrbedd: existing tech, or something off the shelf that we can run on Apr 21 20:33:46 how about setting up a bunch of devices and then adding them all to each others contacts list so that people can message and video call each other Apr 21 20:34:11 thus demonstrating that a large number of different devices with different UIs can successfully work together Apr 21 20:34:30 ali1234: that could work. Apr 21 20:35:14 of course, prepare to run into a LOT of bugs Apr 21 20:35:50 you'll want to get at least one device of each UX as well Apr 21 20:36:31 throw up a upnp media server with some stuff on it too Apr 21 20:37:11 and you'll probably need your own wireless network to make this work, since conference = network doesn't work properly Apr 21 20:37:18 gabrbedd: actually, the video of transferring media was me Apr 21 20:37:29 gabrbedd: it was a linuxMCE demonstration. Apr 21 20:37:57 TSCHAKeee: someone demonstrated it on meego at dublin Apr 21 20:38:13 of course it was a rigged demo, you can't do it on the real meego Apr 21 20:38:15 TSCHAKeee: ok, thanks. Apr 21 20:38:40 LinuxMCE actually exists and does this. Apr 21 20:38:45 yes i know Apr 21 20:53:42 phaeron: so, ircbot works... and that means we have a bot we can use for alerts Apr 21 20:54:29 since you don't like packaging... I was going to package supybot-mailed-notifier Apr 21 20:56:19 ok Apr 21 20:56:25 phaeron: you could help by figuring out why I get no srcserver events Apr 21 21:13:07 lcuk: photo viewer app displays photos that tracker knows about, and it's configured to find them in ~/Pictures and ~/Downloads, etc. Apr 21 21:41:27 lbt: how do you test Apr 21 21:45:22 sr Apr 22 01:32:16 morning Apr 22 02:32:39 ANNOUNCING: Dialer 'headless' branch has been merged into master (http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-handset/2011-April/000368.html) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 22 02:59:57 2011