**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 07 02:59:58 2011
May 07 03:13:48 <araujo> bugs.meego.com down?
May 07 03:16:50 <gabrbedd> araujo: works for me
May 07 03:17:01 <araujo> gabrbedd, working now for me too ...
May 07 03:17:03 <araujo> thanks
May 07 08:27:51 <Termana> morning
May 07 10:29:24 <Sage> Is it just me or is the presentation template for sf a bit heavy to be used in OO and Slow Netbook?
May 07 10:29:39 <thiago_home> the one for dublin was really heavy
May 07 10:30:24 <Sage> Well, this SF doesn't seem very light either at least on my N280 based Atom netbook and OO
May 07 10:41:30 <lbt> Sage: hey
May 07 10:41:53 <AndroUser2> test
May 07 10:42:05 <lbt> Err
May 07 10:42:14 <AndroUser2> why
May 07 10:42:18 <lbt> Err
May 07 10:43:18 <phaeron> GPF
May 07 10:44:26 <Sage> lbt: hi
May 07 10:45:30 <lbt> if you get bored and want to see BOSS "do stuff" then yell :)
May 07 10:47:41 <kyb3R> :)
May 07 11:59:00 <berndhs> morning
May 07 13:01:17 <frade> hi, using meego from "latest" repository...
May 07 13:01:37 <frade> the screen of my netbook goes blank after ~40 seconds of keyboard inactivity
May 07 13:01:49 <frade> (mouse activity doesnt count)
May 07 13:02:09 <frade> any clue what could it be?
May 07 13:02:12 <berndhs> i'm seeing the same
May 07 13:05:51 <Stskeeps> 3
May 07 13:06:58 <frade> I've added a comment here with all the things i've tried so far
May 07 13:07:00 <frade> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1073
May 07 13:07:07 <frade> no success, obviously :P
May 07 13:08:59 <berndhs> i dont think its the screensaver, but that's just a wild guess
May 07 13:09:17 <frade>  I cannot find any clue in the logs...
May 07 13:10:02 <frade> at some point i could produce a similar "off" with xset
May 07 13:15:17 <mikhas> heya frade
May 07 13:15:27 <mikhas> you are using a forum as a bugtracker?
May 07 13:15:30 <frade> mikhas, hi!
May 07 13:15:42 <mikhas> why not just use tracker right away!
May 07 13:15:44 <frade> mikhas, well, maybe i am just a too idiotic user...
May 07 13:15:52 <frade> mikhas, don't make jokes with this
May 07 13:15:59 <frade> it is very frustrating
May 07 13:16:09 <mikhas> oh yeah
May 07 13:16:14 <frade> My meego computer is my media center
May 07 13:16:24 <frade> i cannot watch movies with the screen going off every minute
May 07 13:16:33 <frade> and if i cannot watch movies, i get nervous :)
May 07 13:16:41 <alterego> Heh
May 07 13:16:49 <berndhs> seriously, if you already have collected logs and data, file a bug
May 07 13:17:32 * alterego agrees
May 07 13:17:48 * mikhas files bug for Ivan: "Cant watch movies!"
May 07 13:18:03 * frade hugs mikhas
May 07 13:18:31 <frade> I was so happy with XBMC on Meego...
May 07 13:18:59 <berndhs> watching movies is probably the most realistic, typical meego end user activity
May 07 13:19:52 <mikhas> the only usecase currently supported I'd say
May 07 13:19:58 <frade> xDDD
May 07 13:19:59 <mikhas> well, not supported any more, I guess
May 07 13:20:03 <frade> xDD
May 07 13:20:20 <frade> actually now it only supports usecases shorter than 1 minute
May 07 13:20:25 <frade> punk-usecases?
May 07 13:20:46 <dm8tbr> it's in the new compliance spec
May 07 13:20:56 <berndhs> advertisements are usually 30 secs, so sounds like its good enough
May 07 13:21:01 <dm8tbr> meego compliant videos can't be longer than 60s
May 07 13:25:15 <frade> I feel old... i am still looking for a xorg.conf file...
May 07 13:25:29 <frade> It is not trendy anymore?
May 07 13:25:31 <mikhas> well, but honestly I have no idea. are we using mcetool in MeeGo?
May 07 13:27:47 <frade> mce is there...
May 07 13:30:06 <frade> how is mcetool supposed to be used?
May 07 13:30:14 <frade> i get warnings of "I cannot connect to daemon"
May 07 13:33:51 <frade> well, mcetool --blank-screen "reproduces" the problem :)
May 07 13:33:57 <frade> something is probably calling mce?
May 07 13:34:24 <ojdon> Hello everyone!
May 07 13:35:14 <ojdon> Just wondering if meego.com is down for everyone?
May 07 13:35:43 <berndhs> its not
May 07 13:36:10 <CosmoHill> works for me
May 07 13:36:20 <ojdon> Odd...
May 07 13:37:12 <mikhas> frade, mcetool has a daemon? never knew that :-)
May 07 13:37:24 <ojdon> I'll give CCleaner a run if not then it'ls probablly an issue with my Uni's proxy. Weird how it suddenly stopped working these past few days yet everything else has been working fine. :S
May 07 13:38:32 <frade> mikhas, well... here is the first clue of activity
May 07 13:38:53 <frade> at least mce sends a signal in dbus saying "display_status_ind = off"
May 07 13:44:23 <frade> haha there is this error message in the logs from the intel driver... "get vblanck counter failed"
May 07 13:46:35 <ojdon> Hmmm meego.com still isn't working. Getting this error in Chrome: Error 113 (net::ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH): Unknown error
May 07 14:13:45 <frade> ok, here is the bug report https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17229
May 07 14:13:48 <MeeGoBot> Bug 17229 nor, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, Screen goes blank after ~40 seconds of keyboard inactivity
May 07 14:23:28 <j^> whats the reason for only supporting 800mb ram in pinetrail kernels?
May 07 14:24:10 <j^> i.e. https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15553 or https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12636
May 07 14:24:13 <MeeGoBot> Bug 15553 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Meego tablet build DOES NOT actually enable HIGHMEM per dmesg: available mem < 1GB for 4GB physical
May 07 14:24:15 <MeeGoBot> Bug 12636 nor, Low, ---, arjan, NEW, Netbook kernels being build with NOHIGHMEM=y
May 07 14:37:03 <lbt> j^: you keep buying more memory in a futile hope that it will speed up your machine... then you buy a faster machine .... ?
May 07 14:38:53 <j^> lbt: intel hands out exopcs at appup events with 2gb ram and one can only use 800mb of it
May 07 14:38:53 <berndhs> or it is a valiant attempt to stem the tide of memory size bloat
May 07 14:39:36 <lbt> berndhs: *g*
May 07 14:40:06 <w00t_> best way to get better performing software: force your developers to use machines that are 1/3 the spec you want it to run on *g*
May 07 14:40:16 <lbt> "real performance impact" .... ?
May 07 14:40:29 <lbt> on #1263
May 07 14:45:43 <j^> http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450
May 07 14:46:01 <j^> if this is a real issue having 2 kernels might be an option
May 07 14:49:06 <berndhs> x86 backward compatibility strikes again
May 07 14:50:12 <thiago_home> ARM will be there soon
May 07 14:50:56 <j^> the real question is, why is it 32bit and not 64bit, pinetrail can run in 64bit mode
May 07 14:51:57 <thiago_home> not all Atoms can do 64-bit
May 07 14:52:23 <thiago_home> also, Arjan was talking about how there were a few things needed doing on 64-bit mode before it's useful
May 07 14:52:27 <thiago_home> don't know what
May 07 14:53:55 <thiago_home> the x32 ABI might be useful too
May 07 14:56:44 <j^> thiago_home: there are pinetrail atoms without 64-bit mode?
May 07 14:57:02 <thiago_home> there are other atoms without 64-bit
May 07 15:05:00 <mikeleib> 64bit isn't the answer.. x32 is
May 07 15:05:02 <mikeleib> http://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/
May 07 15:06:06 <berndhs> depends on what you do with it
May 07 15:06:17 <mikeleib> touche
May 07 15:07:14 <ojdon> Has only installed Midori on Meego? :S
May 07 15:07:24 <ojdon> Need to find a browser that works with the Maliit Keyboard.
May 07 15:07:24 <mikeleib> maturity of x32 abi would make things much better in the atom space
May 07 15:07:58 <thiago_home> x32 would be able to use full 4 GB of RAM
May 07 15:07:59 <mikeleib> does the maliit keyboard work with the meego ux browser?
May 07 15:08:07 <thiago_home> unlike 3 GB in current 32-bit
May 07 15:08:18 <mikeleib> and would give more registers
May 07 15:08:21 <thiago_home> yup
May 07 15:08:25 <mikeleib> which would enable things like PIC
May 07 15:08:40 <ojdon> I'm using the Netbook version of Meego.
May 07 15:08:43 <mikeleib> and make assembly less awkward
May 07 15:08:54 <ojdon> It comes with Chromium but the return key has issues with it.
May 07 15:09:07 <ojdon> Same with FF4 and Opera 11 doesn't respond to Maliit at all.
May 07 15:09:19 <ojdon> I would try Opera Mobile for Meego but it doesn't support google-talkplugin
May 07 15:09:33 <thiago_home> mikeleib: how is the assembly less awkward?
May 07 15:09:39 <jonnor> ojdon: Opera won't work, they have a custom toolkit
May 07 15:10:05 <ojdon> Ah.
May 07 15:10:08 <mikeleib> IIRC, there are better load/store operations that make things more direct
May 07 15:10:15 <thiago_home> mikeleib: movaps?
May 07 15:10:31 <jonnor> ojdon: please fix/file the Chromium issue
May 07 15:10:37 <mikeleib> thiago_home: exposes me as a non-x86 asm dood
May 07 15:10:47 <thiago_home> but then you're using SSE registers or the 64-bit registers...
May 07 15:11:21 <jonnor> ojdon: the browser used on the tablet ux is probably the best one wrt to virtual keyboard
May 07 15:11:34 <ojdon> Can I get it for the Netbook version though?
May 07 15:11:44 <jonnor> don't see why not
May 07 15:12:00 * mikeleib looks at x32 docs again
May 07 15:12:15 <ojdon> The Tablet version of Meego has issues with Google-talkplugin. It just goes to a white screen when trying to video call someone yet I can hear them perfectly. :S
May 07 15:12:19 <thiago_home> I don't see anything revolutionary in x32
May 07 15:12:26 <thiago_home> it's just ILP32 long mode
May 07 15:12:33 <jonnor> ojdon: is the chromium + vkb enter issue filed?
May 07 15:12:38 <thiago_home> like ILP32 Itanium and MIPS
May 07 15:14:06 <thiago_home> mikeleib: the weird thing is: I don't get why the toolchain would take long to make
May 07 15:14:06 <mikeleib> jup
May 07 15:14:12 <ojdon> No idea I think Fennec has the same issue looking at the list on here: http://wiki.meego.com/Maliit/Development
May 07 15:14:22 <thiago_home> mikeleib: it's the 32-bit compiler. The assembler is basically the same. You just add the new registers to the mix.
May 07 15:14:22 <mikeleib> it's a spare time project between hj and hpa
May 07 15:14:54 <ojdon> In Chromeium/FF4 it sends a new line (Shift+Return) instead of a plain return action. But stuff like Terminal and gedit work fine :S
May 07 15:14:56 <mikeleib> different cost structure for gcc to issue insns
May 07 15:15:19 <mikeleib> I don't think much in the way of asm changes should be needed
May 07 15:15:36 <jonnor> ojdon: that has to do with hardware keyboard
May 07 15:15:41 <mikeleib> I'm not sure why, but glibc changes are required.. possibly for ptrace/debug support???
May 07 15:16:04 * mikeleib actually is most familiar with arm isa
May 07 15:16:05 <thiago_home> well, if it has inline assembly, it needs adjusting
May 07 15:16:06 <ojdon> Oh my mistake.
May 07 15:16:08 <thiago_home> like Qt too
May 07 15:16:21 <mikeleib> ohyah.. string operations are inline
May 07 15:16:25 <mikeleib> libgcc
May 07 15:16:34 <thiago_home> yup
May 07 15:16:37 <thiago_home> icc does that too :-)
May 07 15:17:06 <mikeleib> afaik, it's common
May 07 15:18:54 <thiago_home> as it should be
May 07 15:19:02 <thiago_home> it's one of the most trivial operations
May 07 15:19:13 <thiago_home> so much so that writing a for loop is sometimes faster than memcpy
May 07 15:20:27 <thiago_home> anyway, it requires a new #define for the architecture, since code with asm cannot assume it's using 64-bit pointers nor can it use instructions non-existant in long mode
May 07 15:20:51 <thiago_home> who knows, someone may still be using BCD...
May 07 15:20:55 <ojdon> jonnor: Going to try and submit a bug report.
May 07 15:21:14 <mikhas> ojdon, am only aware of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15035
May 07 15:21:17 <MeeGoBot> Bug 15035 cri, High, ---, michael, NEW, Enter button on hardware keyboard does not work in Fennec.
May 07 15:21:31 <mikhas> damn, why is it still assigned to me :-D
May 07 15:24:57 * thiago_home found a very good chocolate
May 07 15:26:11 <thiago_home> and fortunately, I bought it in Munich, which is exactly where I'm connecting to SF two weeks from now
May 07 15:26:54 <berndhs> Munich -> SF should be a fun flight, if you are less than 1.6m tall
May 07 15:27:19 * mikeleib checks his HIO->SJC flight status
May 07 15:27:51 <thiago_home> berndhs: it's the A340-600 with stairs
May 07 15:28:01 <mikeleib> :( still #6 on the waitlist
May 07 15:28:33 <berndhs> A340 are slower, right ?
May 07 15:29:01 <ojdon> jonnor: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17230 - Done. No idea if that's right, I've never been successful with submitting bugs.
May 07 15:29:04 <MeeGoBot> Bug 17230 maj, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, Maliit problem in Chrome/FireFox 4
May 07 15:29:23 <thiago_home> A340 are quite fast
May 07 15:29:42 <thiago_home> I remember it once did SFO-MUC in 10:30 hours instead of 11:30
May 07 15:29:46 <berndhs> i thought there were about 100km/h slower than A330 or B7x7
May 07 15:29:56 <mikhas> ojdon, you get bonus points for using the word "Maliit" ;-)
May 07 15:30:54 <berndhs> but wind speed is significant, so you never know
May 07 15:31:06 <ojdon> That's the name of it isn't it? D:
May 07 15:31:22 <mikhas> sure
May 07 15:31:26 <thiago_home> wikipedia says it's about the same speed as A330
May 07 15:31:32 <thiago_home> and it has 100% more engines
May 07 15:31:44 <ojdon> Thought I was going crazy for a second then...
May 07 15:32:06 <berndhs> more engines jsut cause more drag :)
May 07 15:32:13 <GAN900> Most commercial liners do about the same speed.
May 07 15:32:30 <GAN900> Jetstreams are where you gain (or lose) big time
May 07 15:32:34 <thiago_home> speed hasn't improved much in the past 20 years
May 07 15:32:36 <thiago_home> range has
May 07 15:33:02 <berndhs> and leg room is still plenty for really short people
May 07 15:33:48 <thiago_home> yeah
May 07 15:33:52 <thiago_home> unless you get an upgrade
May 07 15:33:57 * thiago_home crosses his fingers
May 07 15:34:08 <thiago_home> unlikely on an M-class ticket...
May 07 15:34:18 * mikeleib hopes for shuttle slot to open up
May 07 15:34:23 <mikeleib> flying commercial is teh sux
May 07 15:35:07 <GAN900> Sonic barriers are fun.
May 07 15:35:46 <berndhs> meego should just get a retired Air Force-1, circle the planet for continuous meetings
May 07 15:35:57 <berndhs> pick up people every other day
May 07 15:36:09 <thiago_home> just make the conference on a ship
May 07 15:36:45 <berndhs> yes more leg room on ships, and better kitchen
May 07 15:37:49 * mikeleib recalls geekcruises, which appears defunct
May 07 15:39:33 <ojdon> jonnor: You mentioned eailer that the Tablet Browser can be installed on the Netbook version? How?
May 07 15:40:16 <jonnor> ojdon: I don't know how. But I do not see why it would not be possible. Try getting the packages first.
May 07 15:40:41 <ojdon> Ah ok. I'll have to find them then somewhere. Thanks :)
May 07 15:40:46 <mikeleib> zypper in meego-app-browser
May 07 15:40:55 <ojdon> Oh. I'll try that
May 07 15:48:05 <ojdon> Does anyone know where the Tablet repo is so I can add it to my Netbook version install?
May 07 15:48:18 <mikeleib> it's in Trunk
May 07 15:48:34 <mikeleib> are you running Trunk of 1.1 ?
May 07 15:49:00 <mikeleib> it's more properly called meego-ux and tablet is one spin of it
May 07 15:49:50 <ojdon> Oh right. Erm, I'm running Meego 1.1, no idea what the "Trunk" is. :S
May 07 15:50:06 <ojdon> Oh wait
May 07 15:50:09 <ojdon> Think I've found it
May 07 15:50:19 <ojdon> Ah
May 07 15:50:33 <ojdon> Hang on think I'm sorted let me test it first.
May 07 15:50:50 <ojdon> http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/meego-ux/Trunk/ that's right?
May 07 15:56:43 <ojdon> Got it all sorted. Installing now :) thanks!!
May 07 16:00:14 <dm8tbr> http://www.metawatch.org/development.html - this looks interesting!
May 07 16:00:31 <dm8tbr> it's doing SPP and claims to be an open protocol!
May 07 16:01:33 <berndhs> isnt there some TI hardware for that ?
May 07 16:01:55 <dm8tbr> the blurb said something about TI being involved, yes
May 07 16:02:25 <berndhs> combine this type of thing with retina projection display ...
May 07 16:08:36 <berndhs> I'm wondering how you could use this as a sensor or input device
May 07 16:27:37 <dm8tbr> berndhs: indeed if you can get e.g. the output from the accelerometer
May 07 16:38:53 <berndhs> cd
May 07 16:38:59 <berndhs> wrong window
May 07 18:05:30 <lbt> An alternative to werewolf: http://blog.ksplice.com/2011/05/improving-your-social-life-with-git/
May 07 19:36:35 <raininja> can someone tell me the default root password?
May 07 19:36:52 <raininja> is it "meego?"
May 07 19:37:16 <Stskeeps> meego
May 07 19:39:32 <raininja> hmm, my bad, it is the same as the users' password :)
May 07 20:31:17 <Alan1234> Stskeeps: I wonder how many of us use "meego" as password on MeeGo :D
May 07 20:31:33 <adeus> everyone? :)
May 07 20:32:00 <Alan1234> Maybe I should change it to "GoMee"
May 07 20:32:12 <Alan1234> be more affirmative and positive
May 07 20:33:11 <CosmoHill> it's only on the live images
May 07 20:34:53 <pixelgeek> MeeToo
May 07 20:35:16 <CosmoHill> ToMeToU if you like the chuckle brothers
May 07 20:38:59 <Alan1234> CosmoHill: is it? I deliberately set it as meego for lack of a better idea
May 07 20:39:46 <Alan1234> I seem to have borked networking
May 07 20:40:02 <CosmoHill> ah I actually misread what you said, I thought you said "it" not "i"
May 07 20:40:26 <CosmoHill> yeah, MeeGo is the default password for MeeGo :)
May 07 20:40:44 <Alan1234> not sure what it is. I'm sure I did't flick the hardware wifi key and even if I did wired should still work
May 07 20:41:08 <Alan1234> wondering if my messing about with a Live USB version of Ubuntu could possibly have messed up networking?
May 07 20:41:23 <Alan1234> figuring out what went wrong is on my TODO list for this evening
May 07 20:42:00 <Alan1234> otherwise I'll just wipe the machine and wait for MeeGo 1.2
May 07 22:58:29 <CosmoHill> £1500 for the car, £1050 for insurance
May 07 22:58:37 <CosmoHill> curse you car insurance industry
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